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Not that it'll ever happen, but they are about to redraw the ward maps. And guess what they discovered?
Chicago’s loss of 200,000 residents — more than 180,000 of them black — will make the process of crafting a new ward map “as challenging as it’s ever been,” a powerful aldermen warned Wednesday.
With Hispanics demanding more City Council seats and blacks determined to hold on to what they’ve got, the once-in-a-decade political sweepstakes to accommodate the 2010 U.S. Census will get under way Aug. 1.
The City Council’s Finance and Rules Committees plan to hire consultants and set up a war room to begin the process of redrawing the city’s 50 wards, each with a population of 53,000 residents, down from 57,000 a decade ago.
Seeing as how there are only 18 Illinois Representatives in the US Congress representing 13 million people, it seems silly to have 50 aldercreatures representing a mere 2.6 million people. This would be the perfect opportunity to legislate 25 or 30 aldercreatures out of existence. Shared sacrifice and all that pablum the politicos feed us when they're reaching deeper and deeper into our dwindling wallets.
Labels: city politics
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
48 Comments:
"With Hispanics demanding more City Council seats and blacks determined to hold on to what they’ve got..."
Wait. Aldermen are selected/elected by RACE? Is this anything like district commander selection?
I thought they were picked because they were QUALIFIED.
It's time the national news runs with this joke of a city council. Talk about waste!!! Why the hell does chicago need 50 EXPENSIVE Aldermen? This is insane! Think about it..The entire state has only 2 Sen's and 19 Congressmen, but chicago needs 50 Aldermen? Chicago has lost population too, so why do we need 50 Aldermen?
Chicago is just a pooply run place that is bad for business and bad for living. Lets hope Rahm does something with this, but somehow I doubt it.
i ran into the 23rd ward alderman at the casino today and he related that the new mayor is creepy.
"Chicago’s loss of 200,000 residents — more than 180,000 of them black..."
It was all part of a government-masterminded conspiracy by Obama's handlers: destroy CHA and drive them out of the city!
"The City Council’s Finance and Rules Committees plan to hire consultants..."
Cha Ching!
Vanecko & Daley Consultants, at your service!
Reprint:
Here's a sample of US cities and city council sizes:
CITY POP 09 #ALD $$$ Constit
Chgo 2,851,268 50 110,000 57,025
NY 8,391,881 51 112,000 164,547
LA 3,831,868 15 178,789 255,458
HSTN 2,257,926 14 55,770 161,280
Phil 1,547,297 17 117,990 91,017
DalTX1,299,542 14 37,500 92,825
Hey Rahmulator!
New York City Alderman each represent 156,863 people. Here in Shitcago our alderman each represent 53,912 people. To keep us inline with New York here's a great cost cutting measure for the you. If we had 18 Alderman they would be pulling their weight just like the New York alderman representing roughly 157,000 people. Let' the sacrafice start at the top and let's lead by example. Redraw your ward maps to exactly the same as our 25 police districts. I really think if each alderman was responsible for the same area as the police district they could really concentrate on the crime problems. Also you could cut 25 part time employees that are paid like full time employees and only have to work 12 years to get an 80% pension. You would even be giving the 25 new Alderman a break because they would only be representing 108,800 people each still 48,00 less people than a New York city Alderman represents. A little less talk and a lot more action if you please.
We're fed up and we're not gonna take it anymore Rahmulator. People of this city are looking for a savior not a new devil. Are you the savior for the taxpayers or the devil for the demoncrats?
What if I were to say we need more white seats. I can't beleave anyone would say we need seats based on race. I just can't beleave it. How about we brake up the wards on rivers, rail road tracks and expressways. Lets be fair, Just a thought.
I guess if we lost people, we should lose some of the alder-persons that were representing them. They must not be happy with the way chicago does things. How about for the first round we go down five. Step into my office--- your FIRED! Unenployments a bitch!
Walter Burnette probably should be drawn out. Even though he represents the near west side which includes greektown, uic and united center they snaked his Ward just enough west to gather more black support.
History was made a coupe years ago when Fioretti beat out a black sitting alderman, a first in Chicago. Gentrification, ain't It a bitch.
How about only 25 aldercreatures...one for each police district.
The 180,000 dollar answer is the majority of the people in question are most likely former (only in body, that there mindset thing is a muthafuckah) CHA residents/catered to constituents dispersed to the four winds...
So... With so many catered to constituents gone, it will be high time for the people paying the disproportionate amount of the freight around here to finally be made whole on their investment of tax dollars, fees, fines and the like by the criminal political class of Chicago?
Damn! We just answered our own question... No way in hell are they going to square up and make the tax payer whole. Now it's time for the "Las Ciudad Santuarios" to line up and get their asses kissed at the expense of the tax payer instead of the "Catered to Constituents."
The regular guy, regardless of background or persuasion ain't got shit coming in this city but a hard way to go and a short time to get there...
The regular guy can'r be blamed for "voting with their feet" but Daley Inc. & Rahmbo have gamed the system to ensure a "captive" audience to the ongoing back of the bus, 3 card monte & ass-clown kabuki theater presentation known as life in this city...
Watch the 1st Ward be moved further west so that it can remain a Latino Ward.
At least 10-15 Wards need to be eliminated. It is a waste of money.
St. Louis is down to 319,000 people, and still will have 28 aldermen. At least by those standards, 50 for Chicago seems paltry.
Ah, at last a cut in the number of aldermen is coming. Since the population is going down perhaps cuts in other city services is needed too? Less People means less of everything, garbage trucks, fire and police services. Now there's no need to hire more.
Now looky here. I'se got mine and I can't really O'ford to be givin' up ma seat as well as ma city slush fund of over a Million bucks. Dats MY money.
Let sumbuddy else be da missin' man on da kownsil.
You'se knows times be tough out dere and I gots to keep on keepin' on.
Cuttin' back the aldermen? Dat be the worst hibbity-jibbity idea I'se heard in a Loooooonnggg time.
Next you'se be wantin' a raise out of all da savin's. Aint dat a bitch! Hey - I bees impotent.
SCC, seriously, when you hit a topic, the media seems to pick it up. We should start a petition campaign to get rid of half of our aldermen.
If people think the police dept. has too many chiefs, why isn't anybody jumping up and down about how many useless aldermen and committees we have?
Seriously, what do we need them for? You'd think Rahm would address this issue since it would be a huge cost-saving measure--and yet we hear this:
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Fucking useless, politicians, every single one of them. I've said this before, and I'll say it again--I have never, in my 50 years, met a poor politician!
Those aldermen should get some skin in the game!
Put 25 Aldermen in the 25 police districts. I mean really. Put their offices in the old CAPS office and let them have one secretary and one P.O..
Blam! Millions in savings and community policing that really is community policing. An added bonus: When the Alderman goes to jail, as so many have, they can be processed in their own District. They would then be treated according to how they treated the Officers when they were hot shit. Checks and balances! TaDa!
WRT: ""With Hispanics demanding more City Council seats and blacks determined to hold on to what they’ve got..."
Wait. Aldermen are selected/elected by RACE? Is this anything like district commander selection?
I thought they were picked because they were QUALIFIED.
7/07/2011 12:06:00 AM"
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Must be all a part of that 'government sponsored racism" that we've been hearing so much about.
Are you feeling scared?
/sarcasm
i ran into the 23rd ward alderman at the casino today and he related that the new mayor is creepy.
7/07/2011 12:12:00 AM
No wonder I can never get a hold of Zalewski when I have a problem in the ward. He is either getting drunk or gambling. Thank God his block is well lit, alleys and garbage are picked up and he made sure his block was plowed several times during the huge snow storm.
"How about only 25 aldercreatures...one for each police district." - 4:10 AM
THINK! Wards, county, state and congressional legislative districts are predicated on EQUAL POPULATION.
To the extremes, the CPD 8th Dist. has a population of almost a quarter MILLION residents (which would qualify it alone as the second most populous city in Illinois) while the 1st Dist. has only about 25,000 residents. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE IDENTICAL WARD AND CPD DISTRICT BOUNDARIES because of population disparities.
Also note that if per capita ward representation in Chicago was comparable to the combined population of the nation's two most populous cities (NYC and LA), we would have no more than SEVENTEEN (17) wards, NOT twenty-five (25) and certainly NOT fifty (50) wards/aldermen.
Can we now put your impossible "idea" to rest forever on this blog site?
How about only 25 aldercreatures...one for each police district.
7/07/2011 04:10:00 AM
How about get rid of all alderman. They are useless and over paid. If I need something in my neighborhood (garbage pick up or new garbage cans, street lights, snow plowed, pot hole repairs etc)why is it when I call the aldermans office I am told to call 311 or city services? What do they really do for the $120,000 part time job with a spending account? I guess the money goes for drinking and gambling (right Ald. Zalewski)
Often times when we're talking numbers in the millions like the population of Chicago it's hard to put the numbers in perspective.
However with a loss of 200,000 people that's about an 8 percent decline isn't it?
That's pretty big!
Hey. the city lost tax revenue from these people leaving, the real estate taxes, the sales taxes, all the fees for licensing for city services if any and the associated trickle down economics that goes with it.
The remaining population is being expected to continue to fund 50 council members so that they may go on as though nothing has happened and it's business as usual is absurd.
In these economic times everyone is being asked to take on more work and put in more time with less pay and these members of society expect to go on doing less -- representing less people?
This non-sense needs to stop.
The political apparatus talks freely about cutting over 600 city workers jobs, threatens wage and benefit cuts and the council size remains untouched forcing the taxpayers to continue to fund their lifestyle?
Just what exactly are we getting for the additional money that we have to make up for in order to pay these people?
Cut the number of aldermen.
Then cut the number of ward offices and lets make these people double up and share an office like everyone else does during hard economic times!!
Let's have one alderman per police district, 25 for starters and then two alderman to a ward office that they share.
Save on that real estate cost, energy cost, SECURITY cost. Double up baby!
Oh wait..two aldermen to an office with 25 alderman means there's going to be one left over.
I guess that will be Burke because he's special..haha..
But seriously. Two or more alderman to a building and cut those cost. Electric, heating, telephone, computer, personal...Look at all that waste!
Maybe Burke can move in with Tulley and they can share a ward office.
Judging by that crowd at last nights CAPS meeting in the 44th Ward I'm sure Tulley wouldn't mind sharing Burke's security detail. Ya know?
Teachers have to take a pay cut and not get a contractually promised pay raise, but Chicago pisses 5.5 million dollars into the wind on alderman.
Shared sacrifice. 25 jobs at 110,000 a pop can go. That will be a big time money saver as well. In 12 years the lazy aldermen can get nearly full pensions, so between pay and pensions this would save millions a year.
When the budget is tight in a city, all the patronage jobs should get the axe.
I don't think the loss of 200,000 has anything to do with crime decreasing at the same rate. It was Jody who reduced crime.
rahm promised to reduce alderman during his campaign
we got fooled again
did mccarthy clean out all the house cats from district and unit commanders or is he waiting for permission from rahm
Burnett needs to go, and fast. His ward also covers the Cabrini Green area. Tax-paying residents there are subject to his racist comments about "rich white folks" every time they see him. He claims to want redevelopment in the area, but all he really wants is their money (ie: the $10 million being spent on the new Jesse White tumbling center). Burnett only cares about his CHA pals....he really doesn't care about the tax-payers.
Maybe its time to refloat a petiton to down size the number of aldermen again!
Come to think of it, if we did cut the number of alderman to the same number of police districts we could probably just shut down all those separate Ward offices.
Just give them a cubicle in the corner of the the local police district station and let them work from there.
Seriously! I hear you laughing.
Nevertheless, we have the CPS wanting to send teachers to their students homes and there's this constant push to have people reach out to their communities.
So what better way to have the alderman reach out to their own communities than to have their office inside the station.
Isn't it time that they come out of their security bubble they're in and see how life for the other half is?
I think so.
There's a lot of money to be saved in shutting down those Ward offices. Think about it.
Where's the money gone ?
13500 pos budgeted but
we are short at least 1500 of these numbers.
1500 x $55,000. ( per po ,low annual income intentionally used)
It this accurate???
over 82 million dollars from the cpd remains in the city coffers???
And, I fear, that the actual numbers are much higher.
So where is the money?
anyone?
Pammy ?
Chuckie?
Wally?
Any real investigative journalists ?
Bueller?
Find the money!
To be fair if we have almost 180,000 less Blacks then the Blacks should be losing some seats. Of course Rham & Co won't do that because he doesn't want the Rev. Bread Basket Jesse storming City Hall. They also won't cut the number of Council seats. If anything they would make more to create some more patronage. I can just imagine the blood letting when these corrupt, creepy, selfish AlderBitches get in the same room to cut up the pie. It would have the makings of a good comedy horror flick.
I live in an old neighborhood of people of Western European descent. Gerrymandering to get Hispanic wards splits us among 2 alderman -- maldonado and moreno. Although the 1st and 27th ward supts' shared HQ is two blocks away, half of us have to watch salt trucks, snow plows etc. drive by and ignore our streets. The aldermen could give a rat's ass about us b/c we don't speak their language. A few of us want to start a petition to get in Burnett's ward (which borders us) as we figure that's the ward that might switch alderman to someone more "reflective of our interests" in the next election.
It was all part of a government-masterminded conspiracy by Obama's handlers: destroy CHA and drive them out of the city!
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The 180,000 who left weren't all CHA residents. A lot of them were people who lived in otherwise halfway decent working class black city areas (for example, Chatham) that were overrun with CHA scumbags and had to get the hell out.
While some White and Hispanic city areas got hit particularly hard with the "Great CHA Diaspora" (mostly on the SE and SW sides) the areas that absorbed the brunt of the incoming CHA parasites were working class black neighborhoods.
It's just too recent for anyone to have done a historical analysis on the situation with the benefit of hindsight, but mark my words- the decentralizing of CHA residents and shoveling them into the neighborhoods precipitated one of the first examples of 'black flight', from other lower class blacks.
We just lost 200 hundred thousand citizens most of those will call the police. why do we need more police officers???????
That 180,000 were the votes Rahmulous needed to become king!
Four more years and I can pull the plug. I'll still be young enough for a second career (or maybe I'll let the wife work and I'll stay home and watch the grass grow) AWAY FROM this godawful city, county, and state.....
Because the 200,000 we lost still come back here to sell dope, rape, rob, pillage and kill each other.
Just what we need in the light of Chicago being #1 place for illegals to come to. More tax money being thrown away great job Rammy!
Anonymous said...
How about only 25 aldercreatures...one for each police district.
7/07/2011 04:10:00 AM
I agree. I've lived in this city almost 20 years, and never once had contact with my alderman. What can they do for me anyway? Can they give me money? What do I need them for. The city could save so much money by getting rid of more than half of them. And only one gets a bodyguard detail? What a waste of money.
Less People equates reduced need for more officers. Kind of blows your crying for more manpower out the window?
Less People equates reduced need for more officers. Kind of blows your crying for more manpower out the window?
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Yeah, because Detroit turned into fucking Utopia once the population started to dip.
Asshat.
"IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE IDENTICAL WARD AND CPD DISTRICT BOUNDARIES because of population disparities."
Your post shows you are the one who needs to "Think". You are correct the boundaries can't be the same as a police district, but it does NOT mean we can't divide the city up into few wards and reduce the number of aldermen.
So in response to your question, "Can we now put your impossible "idea" to rest forever on this blog site?"
NO WE CAN'T AND SHOULDN'T PUT IT TO REST; BECAUSE IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE.
Less People equates reduced need for more officers. Kind of blows your crying for more manpower out the window?
7/08/2011 01:02:00 AM
more assholes = greater need for either: a) more officers, b) ccw, and/or c) a full blown taxpayer revolt.
I just want to move to a state that isn't giving everything to person(s) who stay at home, suck up all the goverment services and get paid to lay round, do drugs and comit crimes. I beleave IL is nu,mber one on that list.
"CPD JIBJABS" at 8:31 AM:
Reread the post by "WARDS = EQUAL POPULATION" at 9:31 AM. This poster is absolutely correct.
According to the U.S. Census, Chicago's population dipped to the lowest since 1920. Chicago has lost about one MILLION residents since 1950 when it was the second to only New York City in population.
Chicago 2010 population: 2,695,598. It would be IMPOSSIBLE to designate each current police district into equally represented wards due to population disparities.
However, the following hypotheticals indicates the number of residents that would be represented by each ward if there were ____ wards.
50 Wards = 53,912 (Current)
27 Wards = 99,837
25 Wards = 107,824
17 Wards = 158,565
The 9:31 AM poster did suggest that there should only be about 17 wards which would be consistent with average per capita representation in the city councils of New York City and Los Angeles.
I just want to move to a state that isn't giving everything to person(s) who stay at home, suck up all the goverment services and get paid to lay round, do drugs and comit crimes. I beleave IL is nu,mber one on that list.
7/08/2011 12:16:00 PM
i think what you seek would be an island, devoid of human population prior to your arrival.
A notable quotable by former 24th Ward Aldermanic Candidate, Valerie F. Leonard:
"It really will (impact voters) whether we take part in the process or not," said Valerie Leonard, co-founder of the Lawndale Alliance, which is advocating for boundaries that would keep the North Lawndale community intact. "The way these lines are drawn are going to impact the ability for people who are incumbents to win again, now and in the future."
If the district becomes more diverse – that is, drawn to include more whites, Latinos and Asians – "it will be challenging for an African-American to elect a person of their choice," Leonard said.
Val
With a straight face, how can Leonard talk about west side political power, when that hasn't existed for fifty (or sixty) years (depending on west side location)?
Leonard ran against then incumbent Sharon Denise Dixon, but now takes an about face, because the 24th Ward could be absorbed into a multi-cultural ward.
Also, for the Illinois Senate District Remap:
During Saturday’s two-hour hearing in Chicago, Valerie Leonard of the Lawndale Alliance neighborhood association suggested senators tweak the map to increase the percentage of black voters in two proposed districts in the Chicago area.
Valerie
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