An Amazing Rumor
From the comments:
- Ot- Heard McCarthy wants to reassign 200 detectives back to districts to work patrol. Lowest senority to return. You'll still keep title as detective and your D2-A pay but will be handling calls and in custody arrests where your skills are needed. Dicks at the Areas will have their caseloads increase 2-3x what they are now. Lots of follow ups to be completed. Both Rahm and McCarthy not pleased with clearance rates. And yes dicks list is coming down. Why do you think McCarthy told the media that there are too many dicks? Rahm thinks there are too many. McCarthy is merely passing on the message.
We know we get trolls here every so often, but this thing is a work of art. Reassignment, de facto demotion for some, increased workload for others, it's brilliant and guaranteed to send some people around the bend.
This runs counter to McCarthy's stated goal of having everyone working at peak efficiency. It wouldn't make sense to have detectives sitting around stations waiting for heads to be brought in and we don't see him persuading detectives to take out books of movers, parkers and ANOVs. They aren't going to kidnapping suspects off the street and sweating them for info either due to civil rights litigation.
We can see the promotional list coming down though - that's about the only thing that is likely 100% true. If they had kept it up for eight more years we might have had a chance.
This runs counter to McCarthy's stated goal of having everyone working at peak efficiency. It wouldn't make sense to have detectives sitting around stations waiting for heads to be brought in and we don't see him persuading detectives to take out books of movers, parkers and ANOVs. They aren't going to kidnapping suspects off the street and sweating them for info either due to civil rights litigation.
We can see the promotional list coming down though - that's about the only thing that is likely 100% true. If they had kept it up for eight more years we might have had a chance.
Labels: rumors
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
135 Comments:
MCCARTHY could not make detective or cut it as a detective therefore he hates detectives.
I would hate to be that Dick who was all high and mighty, then get stuck in a district where he can't eat all over the city...ha ha....fucked up if true.
Dicks at districts will be assigned cars,ie bt. 1733 and respond to calls for service. They also will handle in custody RBT/Juvi at district. There will be an "up list" at district for dicks assigned there. No need for follow ups by district dicks. Area dicks will handle HGSC, shootings, etc. Accountability and clearance rates will be the new game in town.
Unfkn believable if this is true. I scored under 300 hundred on this test and had to compete with jagoffs who had the answers to the test or were meritoursly made. I can't freaking win, it's the story of my career on this department. All because these democrats mismanaged the funds and everyone else has to suffer. If the list comes down I will do everything I can to destroy Emanuel and McCarthy, I promise!
9.5 has made g-mac jump the couch... twice...
The people runnin' this raggedy muthafuckah have lost their minds.
This is the re-boot of CPD.
Make all the high seniority people say "fuck this noise & aggravation."
Run off the experienced, (read as "expensive") too old & too smart Officers who refuse to sign onto Rahm & g-mac's nonsense by signing away their contractual rights.
This isn't about efficiency...
"Y'all on that bullshit!"
Efficiency is maximizing what you have and nursing it. Not intentionally driving it bow first into the ocean floor out of spite.
"Grand-Daddy! Is that dat dere bullshit you been tellin' us kids about?"
"Why yes son! There go dat bullshit again!"
Seems like bs
There are only 960 detectives city wide. That is about 20% of your work force
Most of the 200 will come from area 1 and 2 and the jisc which means areas 3, 4, and 5 and b/a will lose their guys to fill in.
The net result will mean extra work for those who remain and then add in the extra disgruntled guys who got moved and instead of 200 pissed off guys you have 960.
Not to mention all the guys retiring this year and next.
It's all bs. You need just cause to be removed which is a high standard. If anything they will shut down the list and farm out the bs work to the tac teams, theft, burg, sex off. Reg, etc. Then give robberies, sex, and homicide the the det's.
882 Detectives according to CLEAR. Divided between 5 Areas, the JISC center, Gang Intelligence and task forces.... hmmm. Not really that many. Most Areas have less then 10 Detectives working the violent side on 3rd Watch every night. Even less on midnight's. Yep way too many if you think about it. (Sarcasm)
10/02/2011 11:19:00 AM
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Don't forget detectives siphoned off to IAD, too. The system won't 'show' you anyone assigned there, but there are quite a few hidden in 121.
10/02/2011 07:37:00 PM
Kind of pertinent to this thread.
falls right in line with a story i heard about rahm making a surprise appearance at area 3. just in time to catch the whole watch sitting around with their feet up watchn tv and eating pizza. caught u guys dirty
Nothing but bad news. How are crimes actually going to get solved? Just a P.O. but the Dicks are already undermanned. Though they do get the best perks. That will seriously be gone. They are the only one's treated like adults.
Im sure the Sgt's list will be next. Why bother anymore. I studied my ass off, took time due to go to study groups, and scored well under 300. How many have they made off the Sgt's list so far? Somewhere around 130? Day by day until retirement which is in the far distant future. Oh well, see you guys at G-8!!
I guess I am going to retire as a patrolman.
Lolollolol hahahaha you wanted a mayor you got one don't complaint now !!!!!!!!!
What a wonderful ideal.
If this is true we all seriously need to come together and realize we are all on the same team. Its a number game with them so give them the numbers they want. When there is a bs job don't try to get out of it like you normally do, instead push the "victim" to get a report. Crime is down right? NOPE! C'mon guys less parkers, movers, anovs, and contact cards.....more REPORTS!
Talking ot an old timer I liked the way it was done in the past. The supervisors would sit down every couple of months and decided which detective was not producing and that individual would be dumped back to patrol. It got rid of the deadwights and helped produce efficiency.
However way you slice it, there are a ton of unproductive detectives throughout the city.
Patrolmen everywhere know, watch commanders
know it, and apparently so does the mayor and
McNutty. Personally, I applaud the move. Having
dets. in the districts could actually improve efficiency
on some felony arrests that take way too long to
get processed anyhow. Far too many arrests take
more than 3 hours, and that time wasted in the
stations is killing us all.
100% true, I have seen the scheme written up by McCarthy. It calls for the creation of zones where detectives assigned to a team will be responsible to respond and work the case. Therefore, if a subject is arrested in a Fire Arms Response Team Zone, a F.A.R.T.Z detective will respond.
I've been sitting in the 20's on that list for over 4 years now but you know what, I don't really give a rat's ass anymore if they take it down. I don't really give a rat's ass about much of anything concerning this job. I'm happy when I go home to my family and friends everyday. This has become just another job and paycheck. I do the minimum and collect my check. That's all the city, this department, and the majority of the citizens deserve and it's all they're going to get until I retire. Take the list down and shove it up your asses Tiny Dancer 9.5 and McTool. I don't think anybody really gives much of a fuck anymore what either of you two toolbags do.
Who sadid you can't get away with murder? Try Chicago folks. What is the rate for solving homicides in Chicago now? Maybe 35%. I can remember back in the day when that rate was well over 90%. I guess as long as no one kills any politicians loved ones we will see those 200 Detectives writing parking tickets instead of taking rabid killer animals off our streets.
So basically, a PO who is getting PO's pay, is pushing a beat car and doing the same job that the dick, who is sitting next to him making D-2 pay and doing the same job as the PO........
sounds like some type of grievance to me.
ETs too how about K-9 shouldn't they be in the districts too????
882 Detectives according to CLEAR. Divided between 5 Areas, the JISC center, Gang Intelligence and task forces.... hmmm. Not really that many. Most Areas have less then 10 Detectives working the violent side on 3rd Watch every night. Even less on midnight's. Yep way too many if you think about it. (Sarcasm)
10/02/2011 11:19:00 AM
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Don't forget detectives siphoned off to IAD, too. The system won't 'show' you anyone assigned there, but there are quite a few hidden in 121.
Don't forget SIU has Detectives, and then there are the others that are hidden even deeper in nice spots. Yep take 200 and send them to patrol it all makes sense.
Call in a felony and a Detective may arrive within the week.
Oh Yah, just be prepared to take it with no lube next contract. IF WE GET SCREWED...I HOPE TO GOD THAT NOBODY DOES A DAMN THING! ANSWER YOUR CALLS AND LET MCGOATEE FUCK HIMSELF AND HIS CUMSTAT MEETINGS
If you are in a District and assigned to work with a Detective in a Beat Car, DO NOT forget to put in an out of grade slip. If your doing the same job you get the same pay per our contract.
Just a thought it has been 23 years since I left patrol... Do I get a FTO to show me the ropes again?
Why would you want investigators when you can keep the police chasing their tails answering calls in the ghetto from your voting base?
A police department with investigators might find some fraud in government if they had all of that extra time to snoop around.
Once you have the media off of your back and in your back pocket, you take care of the police. That's how it works here.
Unfkn believable if this is true. I scored under 300 hundred on this test and had to compete with jagoffs who had the answers to the test or were meritoursly made. I can't freaking win, it's the story of my career on this department. All because these democrats mismanaged the funds and everyone else has to suffer. If the list comes down I will do everything I can to destroy Emanuel and McCarthy, I promise!
10/03/2011 12:28:00 AM
You should have been doing all you could to destroy him when he was running for mayor. Register to vote and make sure your family and friends are registered to vote and actually take the time to get to the polling place when it counts.
It's all bs. You need just cause to be removed which is a high standard. . .
10/03/2011 12:37:00 AM
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There is nothing written that says that the city needs just cause to re-assign an employee to another unit.
The city just re-assigned a boatload of patrolmen across the city.
As long as the employee's rank does not change, as long as the employee's salary does not change. There is nothing in the contract that guarantees a sworn officer to any one particular unit.
200 detectives to patrol, pure bullshit. Current detectives list to come down, an educated guess. This rumor is not worth its own thread.
Hey SCC, this may be true. From day one McCarthy has talked about "station dicks" like they have in NYPD. I wouldn't throw this rumor on the back burner so fast. Stupid idea, but then......
Talking ot an old timer I liked the way it was done in the past. The supervisors would sit down every couple of months and decided which detective was not producing and that individual would be dumped back to patrol. It got rid of the deadwights and helped produce efficiency.
That is total BULLSHIT. Efficiency and productivity were not factors. Whether you got dumped or not depended on your clout.
20 years ago I had a similar talk with a dumped det. His boss told him he was getting dumped because he had the least clout.
If you think ability and quality of work will be the deciding factors, you are saying that this job is a legit meritocracy.
If you believe that after 5 years on, you shouldn't be here.
If you really are that soft, I hope you dont get you and/or partner killed.
Wake up, dreamer.
Detectives back to districts. What about the Detective who is back at the DOC. Apparently his detail at Area 4 didn't go so well....they actually expected him to do some work.
Smart move for Rahm , more officers in uniform and control over detectives .
CPD needs mores boots on the ground , in a beat car .
Not more detectives and supervisors.
With GPS and PDT 1 sgt per watch can supervise 9 beat cars.
Far too many arrests take
more than 3 hours, and that time wasted in the
stations is killing us all.
Oh, and don't forget dealing with the diaper dicks. Make sure that the little rascal has been photographed BEFORE you call them. Don't you DARE make THEM WAIT FOR YOU!
dude in the 20's I feel for u and hope u get it unlike the other tools bitchin about being in the 300's and studied their asses off -boo fucking who to u- we've all studied are asses off - welcome to the cpd
A Good Idea. Detectives will be assigned as such to each District. Instead of sitting on their asses in the Area and requesting Tact-Teams and Beat Officers to do their street work, they will be responsible for their own street investigations, get to know their area of assignment, as well as the Officers in the District they work in. An idea whose time has come.
If true , I will only respond to 10-1s . There is enough CPD on the streets from what we are hearing. Crime is down 20 % every week, by Christmas there will be no crime to investigate. Thanks McBullsh*tter!!! Too many Dicks you said , now we have 1001 , you forgot yourself!
Anonymous said...
So basically, a PO who is getting PO's pay, is pushing a beat car and doing the same job that the dick, who is sitting next to him making D-2 pay and doing the same job as the PO........
sounds like some type of grievance to me.
10/03/2011 06:59:00 AM
It is D2a pay and what would form the basis of the grievance? The contract requires that the department pays the minimum salary for your rank. If a detective is getting his required D2a pay, who is harmed?
Yeah, That makes a lot of sense. The Dets are working with 10 to 12 people on third watch not including day off groups. So on a Friday or Sat night Area Three is working three Detectives to hanlde all Agg Batt to Po s, suicides, stabbings, beatings, CSA a, shootings, etc., not to mention their follow up assignments. Area One had 13 people not including day off groups, So they re working 4 or 5 Detectives a night going from scene to scene to scene, when we use to have 4 Dets to help out on a scene, now your by your self to work the scene, interview witnesses, victims, Not to mention if someone is in custody.
We know Patrol is short, trust us, that why SOME of us try to help them out as much as we can. But the Det s are short also.
The bottom line is, enough with the smoke and mirrors. They need to hire and they need to promote. Simple as that.
(I'm not a Cop) If McCarthy does
reassign detectives, it will only
matter to the sworn officers and
"certain" communities. It won't
matter one way or the other to the
westside and southside neighborhoods.
Their residents only get up in arms
when the street-corner merchants gets shot or killed by the Police.
Then they wring their hands and are
pursuaded by "certian" law firms or
lawyers to file wrongful death suits against the City and the
officer. Instead of fighting the claim, the City pays-off and the
States Attorney makes the officers
life a living hell. Who says crime
doesn't pay !
(I'm not a Cop) If McCarthy does
reassign detectives, it will only
matter to the sworn officers and
"certain" communities. It won't
matter one way or the other to the
westside and southside neighborhoods.
Their residents only get up in arms
when the street-corner merchants gets shot or killed by the Police.
Then they wring their hands and are
pursuaded by "certian" law firms or
lawyers to file wrongful death suits against the City and the
officer. Instead of fighting the claim, the City pays-off and the
States Attorney makes the officers
life a living hell. Who says crime
doesn't pay !
They used to dump Dets from the bureau when you lost favor with the Lt or above for not cutting them in.
What they should do is launch the merit hacks, therefore the likes of ex-Det HennyPenny (et al) would never be Commanders/Captains.
Promo lists historically were tossed when a new Supt. came in, this perhaps was due to new favorites werent on it or racial percentages were lopsided. Remember the 2nd half, the crucial intelligent part,of the last Det test was postponed because someone didn't have time on the job to be merit promoted in the first class.
I'm fed up with the whole merit process, but still intend to take my exams. FOP tried to drop Det merit to 16% instead of 20%, but failed. One test-one score -one ranking and post the results. If it was FAIR, then the list wouldn't be so secret, right? Wonder who is ahead or behind you on the list? You won't find out, but be assured the next 20% merits will come from the bottom of the barrel.
Anonymous said...
100% true, I have seen the scheme written up by McCarthy. It calls for the creation of zones where detectives assigned to a team will be responsible to respond and work the case. Therefore, if a subject is arrested in a Fire Arms Response Team Zone, a F.A.R.T.Z detective will respond.
10/03/2011 06:04:00 AM
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HILARIOUS!!!!!!
Hey kids, back in "the day" their were dicks assigned to the districts, looking back, sounds like a good move, but not for those getting moved......stay safe....
Anonymous said...
Who sadid you can't get away with murder? Try Chicago folks. What is the rate for solving homicides in Chicago now? Maybe 35%. I can remember back in the day when that rate was well over 90%. I guess as long as no one kills any politicians loved ones we will see those 200 Detectives writing parking tickets instead of taking rabid killer animals off our streets.
10/03/2011 06:27:00 AM
I remember in the 80's, the old Area 3 at 39th & California regularly had a clearance rate in the 90% range. I was a new kid on the job and worked in a district within the area, and was always impressed with the detectives that worked there. They were always professional and actually knew what they were doing, and would help you out in a minute if need be. They didn't care if you were a rookie, you were still the Police!
I really miss those days, when you could actually be the Police!
NY and LA have detectives assigned to the patrol stations and they handle many minor investigations and also respond to calls for service. The rest of the detectives work out of central and respond to major incidents. The detectives there do not respond to people shot unless death is likely. I am not sure of the new plans, but I do know for sure that the current system will not last. Sergeants and lieutenants in the detective units are nothing more then report signers and rearely investigate anything. Changes are coming, maybe for the better and maybe not.
This is actually a good idea, IF, you can get the old timer Detectives to actually pick up the slack, as most of em are entrenched in detecting from a desk.
Why not put the "Merit" Dicks into the Districts? They're just Clout-Promoted anyway. Same with the Merit Supervisors, have them join their Clouted Comrades.
In the end, who do we have to blame? Mayor Emanuel and Supt. McLies? Or ourselves? Think about it. Who holds the power if we stick together?
Seniority with dicks remain the same as when they were made po, not dick. Many of the 200 will be coming from HGS, SIU, and some quality RBT. Many of these dicks have 5+ years already specialized in these areas. The D-Unit won't lose the secretaries they'll be losing some quality people who aid in bailing the water out of this sinking ship. Good luck citizens of Chicago!
>>>Anonymous said...
However way you slice it, there are a ton of unproductive detectives throughout the city.
Patrolmen everywhere know, watch commanders
know it, and apparently so does the mayor and
McNutty. Personally, I applaud the move. Having
dets. in the districts could actually improve efficiency
on some felony arrests that take way too long to
get processed anyhow. Far too many arrests take
more than 3 hours, and that time wasted in the
stations is killing us all.
10/03/2011 05:49:00 AM<<<
Not so fast there! As a former Detective I can tell you a lot of favorites get played. If you are not in the "in crowd" when cases are handed out you get the ones that the patrolman took 30 seconds to write and made an effort NOT to include any tips or clues that might be laying around. The Sergeant's buddies get the cases with the named offenders, the cooperative victims and witnesses, and where an E.T. was called.
Stay Safe, and stop with the "scene was contaminated" B.S.; if some evidence is found that can screw up the case.
If the list comes down I will do everything I can to destroy Emanuel and McCarthy, I promise!
Stop it. youre scaring me.
I think a Detective in Area 5 started this crap.
He shares a name with our convention center and counts Mike Medzianowski among his friends.
He's an idiot. Whatever he says, the opposite must be true.
Don't give up hope scc, exams cost over 3 million to administer, can't see them doing away with the current for a while.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
However way you slice it, there are a ton of unproductive detectives throughout the city.
Patrolmen everywhere know, watch commanders
know it, and apparently so does the mayor and
McNutty. Personally, I applaud the move. Having
dets. in the districts could actually improve efficiency
on some felony arrests that take way too long to
get processed anyhow. Far too many arrests take
more than 3 hours, and that time wasted in the
stations is killing us all.
___________________________________Really? Lets hurry up and miss one tiny thing that will get the case tossed in court! I know you need to get back on the street to make a quality of life or other Bullshit arrest but give us a break with your gung ho nonsense. If you think that 3 hours to process a case is long try dealing with a murder jagoff!
Anonymous said...
So basically, a PO who is getting PO's pay, is pushing a beat car and doing the same job that the dick, who is sitting next to him making D-2 pay and doing the same job as the PO........
sounds like some type of grievance to me.
10/03/2011 06:59:00 AM
Sorry kid but that's not going to happen. You would have better luck filing a grievance if it were considered a civil service rank. Police Officer assigned as Detective is a bump in pay and not a promotion. That is why their seniority is not affected. ET's were getting D2 pay back in the day when they were assigned to districts. They handled calls in between scenes.
STFU kid and drive my fat lazy D2A ass to starbucks for my latte.
Get your story straight regarding the mayor showing up at Area 3 and people with their feet up. They were eating lunch Detectives are allowed to eat lunch suck hole. Keep your stupid comments to your self idiot.
Anonymous said...
However way you slice it, there are a ton of unproductive detectives throughout the city.
Patrolmen everywhere know, watch commanders
know it, and apparently so does the mayor and
McNutty. Personally, I applaud the move. Having
dets. in the districts could actually improve efficiency
on some felony arrests that take way too long to
get processed anyhow. Far too many arrests take
more than 3 hours, and that time wasted in the
stations is killing us all.
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That is not the Detectives fault that you can't get your work done sooner. Maybe if you didn't work so slow things would get done quicker!
Correct me if I'm wrong, wouldn't the cause of this list coming down be an announcement of a new test or some different criteria to become a detective if they do away with
the testing process entirely?????
CHICAGO ' S FINE EST $$$$$$$$$$$$$
Solve no crime before overtime and make sure defence raises all kinds of questions about your reports. Your going to make your case anyway but court time is vacation time. The judges will let them go regardless of what you do or the state does. Never kill the whore if she will make money for everyone. Let the whore's kill the whore's!
See you in Hawaii?
What's going to happen with all the cases sitting in everyones in box???? We are too short on Detectives now. All the cases patrol makes out will get no attention, see what happens when the victim's don't have a Detective handling thier case. Let them call and complain to Mcnutty. I'm going to pull the plug anyways they can have this shit hole.
O.T. will go through the roof if this happens...
"So basically, a PO who is getting PO's pay, is pushing a beat car and doing the same job that the dick, who is sitting next to him making D-2 pay and doing the same job as the PO........
sounds like some type of grievance to me."
10/03/2011 06:59:00 AM
No.
What remedy are you looking for? To get D-2A pay for sharing a beat car with a Detective?
That ain't gonna happen.
Can you process juvenile arrests? No? End of your argument right there.
Numerous arbitrations have ruled that just because there is some overlap in jobs does not entitle everyone to the higher compensation.
The detective has more training regarding preparing cases for successful presentation to court. No 3 line narratives.
A big factor in the clearance rate of cases is the quality of the preliminary investigation and the preparation of the GOCR. Most are crap.
"Talking ot an old timer I liked the way it was done in the past. The supervisors would sit down every couple of months and decided which detective was not producing and that individual would be dumped back to patrol. It got rid of the deadwights and helped produce efficiency."
Old Area 3 said: BULL SHIT!
The ones dumped were the cloutless and who didn't kiss the LT's & Sgt's ass twice a day. If you disagreed with them about sports, politics, or anything you were history.
LT Joey (ho, ho, ho) (elephant ears) Curtin (the biggest asshole I ever met in forty on this job) hurt many people just because he could and they were cloutless. The “deadweights” were Curtin’s pets. Nobody is efficient working for a bully.
It cannot happen today due to the contract. The city cannot define “deadweight” (or “merit” either).
An Amazing Rumor? NOT!!!
Just more crap started by someone who obviously could not pass the Dicks test and has no clout. Most likely the same fool that posts in almost every thread that they are going to put the detectives in Uniform for the last five years. Unless it is an emergency or major that will not happen.
SO GET OVER IT FOOL!!!
Assigning Detectives to the districts is something they have talked about for a long time.
However let me make this perfectly clear. Assigning detectives to districts simply mean that a group of detects will be assigned to lets say the 005th Dist. When an arrest is made in 005 one or more of that group assigned to 005 will handle the job on a case to case basis. The same way it is done in NY.
This allows the guys in the district and that group of assigned detectives to form a better working relationship to better serve the people of the 005th Dist.
It does not mean that the Detectives will be in Uniform, standing next to you at roll call and pushing a beat car handling domestics.
Actually the opposite is true. The real talk is that he is considering making Detective a rank which it is every place except Chicago. Thus allowing different detective grades. Just like they do it in NY!!!
For the guy that has made it his life long struggle to put all of the Detective in uniform just because he does not like wearing his. This is going to really piss you off!
Det. 3rd grade = D2A pay
Det. 2nd grade = Sgts pay
Det. 1st grade = Lts pay
NO uniform included in the job description anywhere.
We will have to wait and see if our Supreme Leader Rahm buys into this.
The only part of the Amazing Rumor Post that is true is the fact that the clear up rate is a huge issue and there will be a lot more accountability to improve it.
For those that believe the Dics just sit around all day and eat pizza, you obviously have no idea what the Detectives do and the case load they handle.
Most of you could not even handle the hours spend in court and preparing for court. Some Dics are in court 5 days week or more. Some will go an entire period without a day off due to court. On top of this the still have to manage their case load.
The guys in patrol seem to forget that EVERY case report they write gets assigned to a Detective.
The Detective Division is so short now that the case load on the individual is unbelievable.
If anyone thinks taking 200 Dids and putting them in Uniform pushing a beat car is ever going to happen, I have to wonder how you passed the psych test???
Here is the problem with the rumor. McCarthy was never in the upper management of the NYPD. He only made it to the rank of Commander, which was way beyond his ability in the first place. When they started CompStat in NY both the command staff and McCarthy him self realized that fact, and McCarthy Bailed.
Now he is here! Rahm hired him to do a job that he would never had even been considered for in NY.
To compound his problem he does not understand the structure or our Department let alone the unique challenges that the City of Chicago presents.
McCarthy believes that if he restructures the CPD to imitate the NYPD he will me able to manage it better. All this because he is to incompetent to make the adjustments needed to just tweek what needs to be tweeked in the CPD. So he fells he must reinvent the whole thing.
My point is, Do you see any Detectives in NY pushing a beat car??? The answer is NO!!!
However you should be prepared to start showing up for roll call at the Precinct.
For all you commanders out there, you should start practicing how to bow your head in respect and kiss a ring on McCarthy finger without slobbering on his cuff for the future CompStat meetings.
Next RUMOR please...
no, there are now two dics assigned to every district. The are not in uniform, they are not in beat cars and they are not answering calls. They work 2nd watch and work just on things that happen in that district. I love how a rumor gets legs on this site. They are still detectives. Its just so there are detectives constantly following up and investigating burglaries/robberies in each district.
THE LOWEST SENIORITY FOR DICKS IS 10 YEARS!
AND THEY KEEP THE SAME SALARY?
THATS AS GOOD AS DICK IN UNIFORMS.
AND CLEARANCE RATES....
THE SUPE DOESNT KNOW BECAUSE HE NEVER WAS A LEAD DICK IN A HOMICIDE OR A PURSE SNATCHING.
WE HAVE A 48 HOUR RULE THAT IS REALLY A 30 HOUR RULE. AND THE WATCH COMMANDER COULD CARE LESS ABOUT CLEARANCES.
THE STATES ATTORNEY DECIDES WHAT GOES TO FELONY TRIAL SO CALL SOMETHING IN AT THE END OF A WATCH AND U WILL NOTICE THAT THE STATE WILL REQUEST THAT AN INVESTIGATION CONTINUE SO THEY CAN GO HOME.
VIDEO OF HOMICIDES VERY DRAMATIC BUT UGLY DETECTIVES WITH HORRIBLE INTERVIEW SKILL KILLS CASES.
DICK TYPING TRANSCRIPTS OF INTERVIEWS WHILE EVERYTHING IS ON VIDEO. WHO KNOW WHAT ASS HAT THOUGHT OF THAT. 40$ AN HOUR TO MAKE TRANSCRIPTS NOT BAD!?
WHITE SHIRTS IN THE D-UNIT WHO WERE NEVER DETECTIVES AND THERE ARE A BUNCH DONT ASK THEM FOR ADVICE IF U CALL THEY WILL TRANSFER ANOTHER DICK.
SO ALL U COMMANDERS OF DICKS JUMP ON BOARD AND LOSE UR STAFF BECAUSE U R NEXT!
Anonymous said...
Who sadid you can't get away with murder? Try Chicago folks. What is the rate for solving homicides in Chicago now? Maybe 35%. I can remember back in the day when that rate was well over 90%. I guess as long as no one kills any politicians loved ones we will see those 200 Detectives writing parking tickets instead of taking rabid killer animals off our streets.
10/03/2011 06:27:00 AM
Simple answer for a simple mind. The days of clearances being "well over 90%" are also known as the days of Burge. How's that working for the taxpayer today? As far as the D unit they can answer that with all the recording crap, less time to hold a suspect and the handtieing of all the inability to keep a witness around if they don't feel like it. Either your young = lacking experience or your just a goof. This is from a Dick of 15 years.
•Ot- Heard McCarthy wants to reassign 200 detectives back to districts to work patrol. Lowest senority to return. You'll still keep title as detective and your D2-A pay but will be handling calls and in custody arrests where your skills are needed. Dicks at the Areas will have their caseloads increase 2-3x what they are now. Lots of follow ups to be completed. Both Rahm and McCarthy not pleased with clearance rates. And yes dicks list is coming down. Why do you think McCarthy told the media that there are too many dicks? Rahm thinks there are too many. McCarthy is merely passing on the message.
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Really SCC, why would you post that from this guy???? Isn't this the same goof taht every week on Friday BIG changes are supposed to happen, but NEVER does? I can say this, the new Supt doesn't respect our bosses not in the least. No one in the command staff has any idea what the new Supt is planning to do cause he won't tell them! The only ones that know what his big plans are is the two guys he brought with him from NYC. I looked at every paper online and have not found any to say "He thinks we have way too many Detectives."
Yes is our clearance rate low? Of course it is but it has always been low. For god sakes look what we have to deal with. Look at the ASA office as well as the large amount of imcompetent bossess (included Sgt's, Lt, and Capt's). Many who have been promoted well above there level. That of course not to mention our exempt members which we all know about.
Stop trying to start crap when it's not even there. Oh really the list is coming down? So how many millions are they going to spend to put together for a new test (including the sgt's). Those tests cost millions to make and administor. And the last contract for tests expired, with no new ones coming around. So why would they take a list down when there isn't a test coming in any near future!!!!
STOP THE BS and get back to writing on the bathroom stalls. Just because you didn't make the list OT don't stir the pot!
"It's all bs. You need just cause to be removed which is a high standard. If anything they will shut down the list and farm out the bs work to the tac teams, theft, burg, sex off. Reg, etc. Then give robberies, sex, and homicide the the det's."
False, as long as they pay you they cam use you to supplement patrol. You will push a lowly beat car making d2a pay.
falls right in line with a story i heard about rahm making a surprise appearance at area 3. just in time to catch the whole watch sitting around with their feet up watchn tv and eating pizza. caught u guys dirty
10/03/2011 01:18:00 AM
Doubt it. Nothing wrong with eating pizza at your desk because there's no time to get out to a restaurant. And, sitting with your feet up on a desk isn't conducive to eating, so that's bullshit.
But he definitely didn't see the ladies with 'babysitting issues' who weren't there AT ALL and rarely are.
I want Daley back!
Well, during my 34 years on the job (retired) and many of those in the detective division, you probably could eliminate most of the property crimes dicks and no one would notice. They need to increase auto theft detectives, but eliminate most of the people working burglary, theft cases.
falls right in line with a story i heard about rahm making a surprise appearance at area 3. just in time to catch the whole watch sitting around with their feet up watchn tv and eating pizza. caught u guys dirty
Hey we were simply on a mission and took a break. The dick with their feet up was just drying their toe nails! JEEZ
keep beating the streets you dumbass gels, it will pay off hahahahah
McCarthy is nuts. The det's are so understaffed and backed up its not even funny. how often do you call the area for a notification or to get somebody out for your arrest and guess what, nobody to send.
We received an oviously fake Fax Messege stating that the 200 lowest seniority dics would be reassigned to Patrol. A very poor quality fax with the same message number as a completely different fax message.
I see the "Like work, like pay," beef coming on full force if this was really going to happen!
Anonymous said...
Talking ot an old timer I liked the way it was done in the past. The supervisors would sit down every couple of months and decided which detective was not producing and that individual would be dumped back to patrol. It got rid of the deadwights and helped produce efficiency.
10/03/2011 05:00:00 AM
You're full of shit. The dump list was to get rid of troublemakers or those with no clout. Non-productivity has never held a detective back from a plum assignment. Having the wrong parents is much worse.
Talking ot an old timer I liked the way it was done in the past. The supervisors would sit down every couple of months and decided which detective was not producing and that individual would be dumped back to patrol. It got rid of the deadwights and helped produce efficiency.
10/03/2011 05:00:00 AM
Keep right on believing that Shorty Smooth. Do you think Phil Cline's kid would get dumped when he was a dick at A/4? Do think Dick Devine's kid would get dumped when he was a dick at A/4? I'd like to see you go in a room with those 2 to decide who was going to be dumped. "Hey Sarge I'm the best detective you've got. I cleared 6 handouts last month and qualified for my Ovaltine Junior G Man Badge."
"That's great Shorty Smooth, but neither the Sup's nor the State's Attorney's kid is getting dumped. So pick a district and we'll try to take care of you."
"But it's all legit Sarge. Work hard and you will suceed. I'm the best!"
"You're a municipal employee asshole, it's all about clout. You're going to 006."
"But it's all legit....." (Insert Shorty Smooth's Boo Boo face here).
Far too many arrests take
more than 3 hours, and that time wasted in the
stations is killing us all.
Oh, and don't forget dealing with the diaper dicks. Make sure that the little rascal has been photographed BEFORE you call them. Don't you DARE make THEM WAIT FOR YOU!
10/03/2011 09:22:00 AM
Because the kid cant be processed until he/she his booked. What part of that do you not understand?
dude in the 20's I feel for u and hope u get it unlike the other tools bitchin about being in the 300's and studied their asses off -boo fucking who to u- we've all studied are asses off - welcome to the cpd
10/03/2011 09:34:00 AM
Wow. Just wow. Why don't you look up 'are', 'our', and 'hour' in the dictionary? You studied your ass off---bwahahaha! You should have started when you were about seven instead of 27!
And who do you think you are, t.s. elliot? WTF?
I have over 20 years on as a dick and I can tell you I could care less if they put me back in a beat car. I will answer my jobs and if you think I am going to do processing or station jobs on top of that you are nuts. I will be down on jobs and TVBs. Also since I will be back working a Beat car I can now work all that special that D2 and D2As are locked out of. They will be unable to use that 9161 title code BS for special only since I am on a Beat car.
It must be true because I saw on Barney Miller that detectives worked out of precincts. I remember when Leavitt made dick. I did'nt care much for Leavitt,but that Nick Yamana ? he was a hoot !!!! mushy,mushy,mushy !!!!!
If they did this wouldn't they return the officers in any type of investigative work ie. OCD, gang intel, fugitive apprehension, iad and any other secret squirrel unit and place the detectives in their assignment. After all doesn't it fit their job description more than a police officer. Especially gang intelligence, this unit use to carry the rank of gang specialist with the same pay grade as a detective. I could see a grievence in the works based off my assumptions if true. That's why I call bullsh!t on this 1 and they are not going to tear down the list without a list to replace it and we all know how much it costs to administer these test. So hang in there future detectives, this to shall pass.
Unfkn believable if this is true. I scored under 300 hundred on this test and had to compete with jagoffs who had the answers to the test or were meritoursly made. I can't freaking win, it's the story of my career on this department. All because these democrats mismanaged the funds and everyone else has to suffer. If the list comes down I will do everything I can to destroy Emanuel and McCarthy, I promise!
stop crying baby and grow up .
if you don't like the changes then go get a 9-5 job. hahahahhahahha lololololololololololololololololol.
welcome to the dick's when is this going to take place any time frame yet.
Far too many arrests take
more than 3 hours, and that time wasted in the
stations is killing us all.
Oh, and don't forget dealing with the diaper dicks. Make sure that the little rascal has been photographed BEFORE you call them. Don't you DARE make THEM WAIT FOR YOU!
Have'em photographed !?!? How about you have some paper done or have a clue as to what you have before you make the arrest. That's right, don't make me wait because were the ones who have to round up all the witnesses after you let them all walk away. Make sure you paint the whole picture and not just the one part.
A Good Idea. Detectives will be assigned as such to each District. Instead of sitting on their asses in the Area and requesting Tact-Teams and Beat Officers to do their street work, they will be responsible for their own street investigations, get to know their area of assignment, as well as the Officers in the District they work in. An idea whose time has come.
You are surely a brain surgeon. First, that is what the Tact Teams are there for. Along with Area Mission Teams, Gang Teams etc. etc. It is the job of the Detective to identify the offender and pass it to the proper units to make an arrest. That is what all those other units are out there for. After the arrest is made a Detective is to continue the investigation and attempt to have the offender charged. When a detective does go out and make an arrest many times the officers he has a re-pore with ask why didn't the Detective let them make the arrest. My response would be I had to make an officer who think he knows everything on the blog happy.
Tiny Dancer 9.5 & Shortshanks have multiple orgasms while reading all the moaning & groaning here on SCC.
When big ears leaves the White House he has a job waiting for him on the Shitty Council. daley promised !
>>>Anonymous said...
However way you slice it, there are a ton of unproductive detectives throughout the city.
Patrolmen everywhere know, watch commanders
know it,
The truth is,
Anyway you slice it, there are 50 times the number of unproductive Patrolman throughout the city vs Detectives. Citizens everywhere know it, watch commanders know it too.
A Good Idea. Detectives will be assigned as such to each District. Instead of sitting on their asses in the Area and requesting Tact-Teams and Beat Officers to do their street work, they will be responsible for their own street investigations, get to know their area of assignment, as well as the Officers in the District they work in. An idea whose time has come.
10/03/2011 09:35:00 AM
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Hey Bitch obviously you have NO IDEA what a CPD Detective does, but if you want to learn bring your BITCH ASS up to Area 2.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but according to our contract it is 100 percent legal. The D unit is going to take a hit on this one. Rahm is smarter than you think. Cook county and other law enfocement agencies already do it. They won't lose their pay just their pride.
I heard that a program is going to be set up soon. Detectives from other states will be coming to Chicago for big city training like they did in NYPD. Mc Cloud from Taos, New Mexico will be driving a beat car!!!!
(That show was such a joke)
I think the department starts these rumors to see how the ideas be received.
Do over! Nobody gets the answers! It be nice to have the dects in the district
What has it been, eight years since the test? I scored under 275 and after years and years of waiting I can honestly say I don't give a fuck. I didn't study, I was just goddamn lucky. I don't believe I'll get that lucky on an exam again. I would like to give a special fuck you to those meritoriously promoted and those that were given the answers in the closed door study sessions. Think I'll take the LSAT and go to law school so I get SOMETHING out of this stupid job. "CPD. Earned, not given." What a bunch of bullshit.
This has to be bullshit. First of I am a Dick. I have so many handouts in my box is not even funny. Sgts are getting pushed, so they are sending me out to further investigate cases that are sure losers. I do what I am told and head out to try to find victims at home, work, etc. That obviously takes more time.
If they send me to a district, I have no choice. I will go. However, what will happen to all the hand outs coming to the Areas. We can't keep up with the few dicks we have now.
If they actually sent me to a district to do beat work. I certainly would do it. When they have an in-custody for me. I will be like: No problem squad heading to the District to handle that in custody. On the way in, I would be like: squad I will handle that in-custody after I finish my unavoidable traffic stop which hast turned into an arrest for warrant/DUI/narcotics or whatever arrest i can get and then get lots of OT at the end.
Besides, what happens to in-custodys when I am working the beat and they call me for my in-custoy. Then as often happens, I have to go to look for additional witnesses, victims etc. Do I have to ask my sgt permission to leave the district as patrol has to. Do I have to ask permission to work overtime. Will my sgt advise as to how to proceed with investigations when i have been doing this for five years and he or she has never been a dick.
if they move dicks to the district/street. then where will all the sgts in the d-unit go. sgt have to realize they will follow.
Most of you could not even handle the hours spend in court and preparing for court. Some Dics are in court 5 days week or more. Some will go an entire period without a day off due to court. On top of this the still have to manage their case load.
cut the bullshit out. I'm at 26 and cal at least twice a week. I see the same dicks there all the time and i can say they are about 10 percent of the total number of dick in the d unit. this proportion is about equal to the proportion of guys in patrol i see there. While I agree there are some really hard working guys in the D unit the "5 day a week" claim is BS and doesn't represent the majority of guys in the D unit. get over yuourself, most guys in patrol could absolutely handle work in the D unit. I've seen guys make dick who haven't even been to 26 and Cal.
Patrolmen working with D2a?? and screwing the watch seniority? KISS MY ASS
If any of you are reading these comments and believing them, you need your head checked.
If you are in patrol and waiting on the list, then take this advice. Enjoy patrol.
They are not offering a new test, so the old one stays up. It may not be next month, or even next year, but more dicks will be made and more will come off this list. How many? Who knows.
There are perks being a Det, but you will never have the fun you have on a watch. You do most jobs either by yourself or with your partner. Much of the work is tedious. It takes a long time, it's boring and frustrating. I have left for work Monday afternoon expecting to go to a party Tuesday night. I was at work until Wednesday afternoon. I came home, slept, and went back to work Thursday morning.
It's more money, but like everything else in life, it comes at a price. Time with my family and the stability of a regular schedule is what I give up for the overtime.
If you're of the opinion that everybody else has it better than you, then it would be better for your sanity and health to get a different job because for you this job will never get better. Nothing will ever be as exciting as responding to a job. Once you give that up to be a detective or sergeant, it's gone forever.
I hear they are going to make different grades of Detectives. Which is fine with me.
f you are in a District and assigned to work with a Detective in a Beat Car, DO NOT forget to put in an out of grade slip. If your doing the same job you get the same pay per our contract.
I don't think that is true. Example if you are working with a guy who has 25 yrs on and you have 5 he will be making more money then you to do the same job. So, I'm not sure but I do not think the above post is correct.
Anonymous said...
falls right in line with a story i heard about rahm making a surprise appearance at area 3. just in time to catch the whole watch sitting around with their feet up watchn tv and eating pizza. caught u guys dirty
10/03/2011 01:18:00 AM
People get lunch dumbo.
http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/RAW__Garry_McCarthy_Interveiw_Chicago-131015248.html
The guys in patrol seem to forget that EVERY case report they write gets assigned to a Detective.
The Detective Division is so short now that the case load on the individual is unbelievable.
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With crime dropping through holes in the floor, we wont be generating many more case reports so hopefully you guys can get a break.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I have over 20 years on as a dick and I can tell you I could care less if they put me back in a beat car. I will answer my jobs and if you think I am going to do processing or station jobs on top of that you are nuts. I will be down on jobs and TVBs. Also since I will be back working a Beat car I can now work all that special that D2 and D2As are locked out of. They will be unable to use that 9161 title code BS for special only since I am on a Beat car.
10/03/2011 05:51:00 PM
ahh dickhead most dicks get 50-150 hours OVERTIME per month who you bullshitting??
You won't get special because you still get extra pay douche....now go get some curfews BITCH! AND get your own fucking fillers, that's YOUR JOB not a patrol officers.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I have over 20 years on as a dick and I can tell you I could care less if they put me back in a beat car. I will answer my jobs and if you think I am going to do processing or station jobs on top of that you are nuts. I will be down on jobs and TVBs. Also since I will be back working a Beat car I can now work all that special that D2 and D2As are locked out of. They will be unable to use that 9161 title code BS for special only since I am on a Beat car.
10/03/2011 05:51:00 PM
ahh dickhead most dicks get 50-150 hours OVERTIME per month who you bullshitting??
10/03/2011 11:09:00 PM
Ah, dinosaur, those days are long gone. You may be fondly recalling your past, but, unless you're a court-hog or working homicides, it isn't there.
We received an oviously fake Fax Messege stating that the 200 lowest seniority dics would be reassigned to Patrol. A very poor quality fax with the same message number as a completely different fax message.
I see the "Like work, like pay," beef coming on full force if this was really going to happen!
10/03/2011 05:06:00 PM
It can't be the bottom 200 because it would be a biddable reassignment. Believe me, there are plenty of dicks with 20+ years on (me included) that wouldn't mind pushing a car. I'll gladly fill out that missing report and fuck off in the park with the paper for an hour. I'll have no conscience about taking that biddable spot on 2nd watch and taking those 7th & 13th period furloughs. Crying won't be tolerated when my partner and I are taking your shit.
Station Dics? LOL. Where do you put the offender when you're interrogating him for a murder without the red light on? What about the witnesses? What comfort room do you have in a district for grieving families or cooperating witnesses? And the States Attorney? Any answers geniuses?
When a 10-month-old baby is shaken to within an inch of it's life and will be mentally retarded for the rest of their life and is on life support, what room do you use to speak with the team of doctors at Childrens Memorial Hospital to talk quietly with the State's attorney present and witnesses? Is there food available for witnesses and the shitbird in custody?
And then the 5000 word report on top of the other 30 reports that you haven't typed yet. Any answers from the peanut gallery?
Good luck people, the end of this dept is near....
I want Daley back!
10/03/2011 04:33:00 PM
the tears of a clown.
STOP THE BS and get back to writing on the bathroom stalls. Just because you didn't make the list OT don't stir the pot!
10/03/2011 03:34:00 PM
why, because the pot is full of shit?
if ya can't take the heat, stay the fuck out of the kitchen.
Next RUMOR please...
10/03/2011 02:12:00 PM
not to worry, we've got a million of 'em.......
There are still 150 full-duty p.o.s wrking desk jobs at headquarters, why wouldn't he take them first before even considering touching detectives, man thats bullshit!!!1 these guys wrked hard to make dick and now they have to come back to a beat car anwering calls, thats a slap in the face. I feel for those guys that studyed hard just to get away from the radio bs and serve as something better.
Anonymous said...
Talking ot an old timer I liked the way it was done in the past. The supervisors would sit down every couple of months and decided which detective was not producing and that individual would be dumped back to patrol. It got rid of the deadwights and helped produce efficiency.
10/03/2011 05:00:00 AM
BULLSHIT! I was around for these times as a dick in area 4. It never was fair. It was, as someone said, just a way to get rid of those with no clout or where not liked or were considered strange. It never was based on performance and there were no standards. You could get dumped as the worst dick in area 4 and your clearance rate would put you near the top in another area. That is why, thank god, you have a union to protect you.
Watched CHicago tonight and he the Supt said that he will look to see if we need more detectives. Nothing about saying we have too many.
Clean out the dead weight at the academy.
There are just as many goofs in Patrol than there are in the Detective Division. I don't even see how some of these Officers graduated high school with the reports that we receive. And how about a murder or a shooting, "I let the witnesse go Detective, they were yelling at me and hiring my feelings". Really?? 3 contact cards of witnesses?? Patrol fucks up soooo many investigations it's ridiculous. There are Plenty of goofs in patrol as well.
RE: A Good Idea. Detectives will be assigned as such to each District. Instead of sitting on their asses in the Area and requesting Tact-Teams and Beat Officers to do their street work, they will be responsible for their own street investigations, get to know their area of assignment, as well as the Officers in the District they work in. An idea whose time has come.
We pass along arrests to the district levels to help them keep the stats up for them. WE are not a head hunting unit and dont need the arrests. We get credit for the clearup and closing the case and the felony process. Not the head. So shut up unless you know what you are talking about. Obviously you have NO idea how it really works.
The guys in patrol seem to forget that EVERY case report they write gets assigned to a Detective
YA right! Assigned to the experts in blowing it off or closing it out. Maybe that is the way every department is going, but I do know that the CPD detective division has been doing this for sometime. Almost any excuse to close the case out and not follow up.The detective division has been due for a shake-up reorganization for some time. I seriously do not believe that any detective will be assigned to work in a district in uniform, but maybe assigned to a district commander to work minor cases. part of the accountability for commanders and giving them resources. And, for some detectives, it will be an awakening. Don't forget the many people holding detective rank that are not working as a detective. Stopp the cry baby bullshit. things change and it can be unsettling, but at least you still have a pretty good job. At this point, there is little or no supervision in the detectives. They do pretty much as they choose and in some units they are supervised by some of the most unqualified people in the department because of clout. I sure hope that changes.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but according to our contract it is 100 percent legal. The D unit is going to take a hit on this one. Rahm is smarter than you think. Cook county and other law enfocement agencies already do it. They won't lose their pay just their pride.
My Pride? What Pride?
When was the last time you were proud of this job? This City?
To be honest I have lost my pride. This job used to be the shit when I came on this job 25 years ago. Rock and Roll all watch long. You guys bicker about the stupidest things. This job is nothing more then a job. You going to sacrifice your life for these scumbags? I'm not and I have not come across many that would anymore. The department is now divided, demoralized and dead. We are now like hamsters in a maze. We will do whatever they say and bitch about it here in the blog. I know it makes you feel better but in the end means nothing. Go back to a district? I'm in. Still gunna get paid like I did before, just a different parking lot. No big deal. Yes Det's will bitch because your right it IS the best job in the department. Great perks, massive OT if you want it and they treat you like an adult. When is the last tie you got treated like an adult? Anyways enjoy bitching on the site. and remember everything you think and say about the Det's is true. Yes guys will be pissed off but I can care a less and most of the guys feel the same way.
I don't think this will happen, but hypothetically...
1. On the grievance for not making D2A if a dick is doing the same job most of the time: if that would fly someone should have done it for working with FTOs (rarely see ppos to train these days) as they make D2.
2. If sent back I will work. In fact I will do my best to generate as many RDs as possible. CDTP? Oh no sir, this is clearly part of a burgeoning burglary pattern and will be documented as such. What's that maam, you say after a night at the bar you don't remember what happened and your purse is gone. Is it possible you were the victim of a CSA in addition to obviously having been the victim of a robbery? Anyone know the iucr for treason?
A Good Idea. Detectives will be assigned as such to each District. Instead of sitting on their asses in the Area and requesting Tact-Teams and Beat Officers to do their street work, they will be responsible for their own street investigations, get to know their area of assignment, as well as the Officers in the District they work in. An idea whose time has come.
I'm not a detective, but I appreciate them and glad we have some real good ones. I think your comment is ignorant. They don't just sit on their asses you idiot. They're the ones who save your ass when you get into some shit you can't write your way out of.
Talking ot an old timer I liked the way it was done in the past. The supervisors would sit down every couple of months and decided which detective was not producing and that individual would be dumped back to patrol. It got rid of the deadwights and helped produce efficiency.
10/03/2011 05:00:00 AM
I'm sorry to say that you are partially right. It wasn't always the lowest ranked detective that was dumped, it was usually the ones with the LEAST clout that was dumped. If you didn't have a Phone Call, you were Gone!! It didn't matter how good your work was, if the boss didn't like you & you weren't sponsored, you were gone.
these guys wrked hard to make dick and now they have to come back to a beat car anwering calls, thats a slap in the face. I feel for those guys that studyed hard just to get away from the radio bs and serve as something better.
10/04/2011 03:11:00 AM
Mayor Raccoon Eyes and Supernintendo McStooge are looking for more grammarians like you.
People, this is a fun conversation, but the so-called 'message' that was sent out was a HOAX.
It's rapidly becoming one of the better CPD pranks, but for those few of you who received it, go check the message number online and you'll find it's just a 'type-over' of a REAL message sent out on a totally different subject.
Don't we have enough REAL stuff to worry about?
Been there seen it. Dets were dumped on a phone call, here today gone tomorrow. Clout was not involved...stupidity was the major factor. Messing up crime scenes, refusing certain jobs, constantly on the late list, not getting major assignment reports in on time, constantly late for shift and the just causes went on and on. There were several factors and area commanders had the final say. Clout did not save a lot of people.
responsibility and accountability does not matter even if you are a deadbeat on this job.....your clout matters.
add a bunch of idiot supervisors who don't know how to manage, then it's a total disaster.
Don't we have enough REAL stuff to worry about?
10/04/2011 01:16:00 PM
no.
Mayor Raccoon Eyes and Supernintendo McStooge are looking for more grammarians like you.
10/04/2011 12:57:00 PM
prick me, prick me!!!!
Make the supervisors accountable for the dets who sit on their asses doing nothing. Supervisors are afraid to say anything and just take the work away from the lazy dog-asses and give it to the dets who work and get results. The workers are the ones who have huge case loads because they actually work up the cases and of course, then get the bulk of the work.
Years ago Harvey Radney was commander of Gang Investigations. He had a little lepricone with big ears and a hard head try to tell him how to run the unit. Harvey put the jackass in uniform in call back. The FOP said that there was nothing that they could do because the little asshole was still getting paid as a gang specialist while working in callback. The little fool finally retired and is now working as an investigator in the States Attorney's office. Maybe the "Latin Queen" need him to tell her how to act. LOL
If you are sending 200 just do it and get it over with .
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha dicks writing movers!
I'm sorry I just pissed myself and coughed up a lung. Mc Cathy you funnnnnny?
responsibility and accountability does not matter even if you are a deadbeat on this job.....your clout matters.
add a bunch of idiot supervisors who don't know how to manage, then it's a total disaster.
10/04/2011 06:10:00 PM
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Let me clarify for you. In the D, it doesn't matter if you 'know' how to supervise. You're often out-clouted by your subordinates and the lieutenant (or higher) won't LET you supervise the clouted dolly who does nothing but plan the parties, the guy who drives the unit commander, the daughter-in-law who needs to be home by noon so the son-in-law can go to HIS unit for three or four hours and collect a CPD paycheck, too.
If the supervisor DARES to supervise correctly, the more-clouted just have the supervisor replaced with someone who will play ball, the way THEY dictate the game is played. You're naive.
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