End Around Attack on Pensions?
- After at least six secret meetings, another of which was held during the first week of October, Illinois politicians have quietly introduced legislation that would destroy the Chicago Teachers Pension Fund Board of Trustees as an elected entity with ten members elected by those affected by the Fund. The new legislation would replace the current trustees with a seven-member Board of Trustees, four of whose members would be appointed by Mayor Rahm Emanuel.
The proposed change to current pension law, which was introduced by Tom Cross, the leader of the Republican minority in the Illinois House of Representatives, covers a number of public worker pension issues and has come to public light following a series of reports, primarily in Tribune Corporation media, depicting the public worker pension funds as corrupt. The proposed legislation, known as HB 3827, was introduced on October 5, 2011. A synopsis of the legislation, which was introduced on October 5 and is currently available on the Illinois General Assembly website, includes the following:
"...Amends the Chicago Police, Chicago Firefighter, Chicago Municipal, Chicago Laborers, Chicago Park District, and Chicago Teacher Articles of the Illinois Pension Code to terminate the existing pension boards 90 days after the effective date of the amendatory Act and to provide for a new board comprised of 4 members appointed by the Mayor of the City of Chicago and 3 elected members representing active members and annuitant members of the fund...."
So Rahm would get to pick four appointees and we'd elect three?
Gee, what could possibly go wrong with this scenario?
Gee, what could possibly go wrong with this scenario?
Labels: pension
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
221 Comments:
Where do we send our cards and letters to fight this ?
If tiny dancer wants to trade something for our duty availability, how about we throw out the no strike clause. They seem to be related, so it's a perfect match in my book.
Be afraid. Be very, very afraid. Is there a way to oppose or stop this? Seriously, my heart stopped reading this. Scary, scary. Gangster government.
I don't think anyone has even seen a glimpse of how diabolical the ballerino can be....if you don't like the way the law is, then simply change the law.
Posters: don't yell at me to do something--I don't know what to do. Maybe someone on our side does. I would be willing to follow their lead!
I've felt shaky about my future before, but now I am truly, truly scared.
Your contracts don't mean anything!
Hey look, we have no freedom of assembly, no right to bear arms in public, the constitution is being made a mockery of.
Signature on real estate liar-loans from people on both sides of the table meant nothing. No-one has gone to jail for fraud. Nor have the bankers even been charged for the racketeering with regard to housing appraisals on the homes they sold. The bankers created CDS's for the mortgage loans with misleading and missing doc's and got away with the frauds. Millions of them and when it cane tine to foreclose on those hones and the banks couldn't fine the paper trail to the mortgage to prove that they had a right to the property they lied and committed more frauds millions of them.
..and you think that the words on your union contract mean something because you have paper wit signatures on it? Hahahaha..
Sorry to say that the country has become a third world corrupt joke!
So where are our union leaders to rally everyone to stop these corrupt bastards from taking over our pensions. The city already has unelected reps on all pension boards. Stop these fuckheads now or we will lose everything!
Maybe he has some family he would like to introduce...like the Daleys. Jags!
tell me when the march at shitty hall is and i'll be there with my family!!!!
This should do wonders for morale around the city. He wants to do more with less? One of ensuring that city employees will go out of their way to hold up their end of the bargain is to give them what they were promised. What's going to make me sick is when the politicians and citizens start to applaud the fact that the greedy public workers have been toppled.
Write to cross....He would steal your silver fillings if he had the chance!!
For people who live in Madigan's district in 008...he currently supports this bill. He seems to have forgotten a majority of his Chicagoan constituents are city employees. Tell your city worker neighbors we need to band together to try and change his support of this bill. We will certainly be in trouble if one person gets so much control over any city pensions!!
mother f'ers we are gonna get screwed by this guy......
Wallstreet thugs coming soon. Paid for by the People to Elect Oblama. And the trade unions proof today on Fox News. Jobs are hard to find. What's the going rate for a protester?
FOP better get on the stick and line up the lawyers.
He is definitely a Union Buster....more evil than Daley.
FUcking Chicago politics. The fix is in 4 appointed by the mayor, duh = majority vote of of 7. Fuck Rahm, anybody that stands by this stroke is a fool. Hey Rahm 9 fingers, you're fucking with my retirement, my family. thats personal.
mikey shield
WHAT IS THE RESPONSE!
BEGGING THE MEDIA TO INTERVIEW ISNT GOIN TO DO IT.
yea it would make electing anyone to the pension worthless.
Rahm might as well dissolve it.
Remember when Robbers wore masks and stuck a pistol in your face ?? Now they just get elected mayor of Chicago & do it from Springfield, Il
Now you know why they want to take away the right to own firearms !
Rahm is no different then the last goof.
Fuckers.
SCC, check out the numbers, in the last 24 hours, 24 people shot and 3 of those 24 are dead. Be careful out there.
I like how Mayor Rahm is trying to cross off a campaign promise with fathom redeployments. Makes you wonder how many fathom budget savings he'll announce this week. Before the pain hits, lets enjoy a good laugh through this comedy YouTube video that's part of a series created by a local sketch comedy group: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBN5bxxq01I
Better hope your differed comp is doing good. Its probably all you'll have.
Looks like the combine is still alive and well. Did they tell Cross he could be Governor when they get rid of Quinn?
Political corruption, there would no longer be a democratic vote. So the 4 votes win every decision the way Rham wants them to vote. No, this corruption has to stop. They don't want to pay what's due they want to take what's there.
So he gets 4 members on the board, the unions only get 3...hmmm just another thing for him to hold over our heads so he can get his way when its time to talk contracts....this guys is such an asshole...
October 5th - wasn't that the same day Rahm and McCarthy were at the
8th District police station glad-handing the rank and file?
Why are the unions not going to the media with this, show the public how this mayor just like Daley is trying to have too much control! The old system works the city didn't put in their fair share now this asshole is trying back door us and put his hand picked cronies in positions that will totally screw us! If Rahm does this you couldn't pay me enough to work on his security detail! You mess with peoples futures at no fault of their own, people may take drastic steps
Hold the phone - Cross isn't a libtard, demorat, he's all for what's right. Oh wait he's a politician bought and paid for. Maybe a closer look at some other blogs would show the OWS movement is much more than the people in the streets. No prosecutions for the Wall St. deals? It must be class warfare started by the Commies and hippies.
and we laugh at the Occupy Wall Street people .... Right
It says "Chicago Laborers" there is a union called the chicago Laborers union, but there is also the "Laborers Annuity & Benefit Fund", which is it? How do Republicans conspire with a Democratic Mayor to take control of our pension system?
I see nothing about this proposal on Rahm's website
www.chicagobudget.org under Public safety
I do like the idea about putting a restaurant on one of the unused cribs. That would be interesting.
fuck you piece of shit rahm
how did baby shortshanks and vanecko get 60 million of our money--- who made that call--- they should be the one sitting in federal prison, not william cozzi...
Today is Jesse Jacksons 70th Birthday. Can we all take a moment to wish the ICON a very Happy Healthy Birthday! If you do, can you also take a drive to the nearest mental health facility and sign yourself in.
We need to protest, like they are doing all over the place. Egypt, and New York.
Quit toying with us and just get rid of it. So we can have our day of rage
Can we all just pray that this POS Rahm, is brought up on charges in the Solyndra Scandal. He was named in an email and may have to answer questions in the hearings.
Go to Jail, go directly to jail. Do not pass go, do not collect $200.00.
Can you see the Tiny Dancer in an orange jumpsuit?
How can our elected politicians hold secret meetings to give the city the advantage it needs to raise our contributions and possibly raise the retirement age. What is going on in this City? Rahm is turning out to be the weasel everyone said he was.
Everyone needs to call their elected officials and find out if they participated in this bullshit.
They are going after the working man instead of the leeches of society. Nice
Nothing like trying to put the fox in charge of the hen house!
If this fucking weasel gets his 9.5 digits on our pension board we are so fucked.
Please post the participants in these meetings so we can protest and not vote for them in the future!!
Out of control government.
What a scam! It would be a rubber stamp for the mayor. His hand picked four will always out vote the elected three. Why even have three elected?
The City of Chicago Public Employee Retiree LINK card -- brought to you by bosom buddies Tom Cross, Raccoon Eyes and Penny Pritzker!
...no pension for hairgels and they will get to live the life of
of a secret agent "ondercover"(with the customary uniform of vests with ribbons, name tags, and police patch on back, carharts and thigh holsters,excessively tatooed and in constant contact with "retired white shirt daddy" via bluetooth. fot the compensation of a joo managed 401k. if they live through it. "What a job, baby. I'm the shit."
Rahm is slowly being sucked in as the Fast & Furious and Solindra scandles have begun circling the drain. He may become one of your inmates and may no longer get to pick anything except his lawyers.
DOW-DOW-DWO-DOW pop pop pop BRRRRT=BRAAAAAAT
3 killed, 17 injured in overnight shootings
Updated 7:39 a.m.
At least three people were killed and at least 17 others wounded, including nine teenagers, in shootings across the city late Friday night and early Saturday morning.
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Good thing we don't count these as violent crimes right?
I mean sure we know that they are shootings and people are getting wounded and killed but I wouldn't rush to call that violence. Heck we're still investigating and who knows what the intent was!!
Isn't that how the game is played?
Hey I have an idea. Let's raise taxes on these people, cut the cities social safety new programs somemoar, extend the curfew to 6 pn and put up some more cameras!
That'll show 'em we mean business!
What Cross does not tell the people is that the boards are already stacked by the mayors office ( past and present ) and have lost hundreds of millions of dollars in political investments and using the funds as a piggy bank.
This would insure that what little control the members have would be totaly lost.
Government bought by corporations + anything secret = revolution! !!!!!!!!
Read up on Thomas Jefferson, he predicted this 200 years ago.
Now the attack begins. If we sit back and do nothing we will have NOTHING! Rahm's intentions do not plan for your retirement only funding his pet projects at the cost of YOUR pension. He has NO tax dollars to spare. We have been paying for years into the fund and the slobs at the fund roll over and kiss the Mayor's ass whenever he needs to forego any of the city's required by law contributions! This bill will begin the ground work to raid these pensions by the second thief, Daley was the first!Thanks to some of the present pension board members who will roll over and do nothing! We members have seen and experienced this already by the Board who says it's in the best interest of the members but everything is so secretive nobody knows whats going on! Call anyone and everyone to kill this senate bill "SB3827"! Why can't we have our board with a majority of the members who pay into the fund control the fund! Hey shield's what you going to do now! Why haven't you filed a law suit like New York did to force the funding and control of the board to it's members! And NOT the thiefing politicans! My receint tax bill showed contributions for pensions but I bet NOT one dime made it into any fund!
OT: Seems Tiny Dancer is being implicated in the Solyndra scandal. Just another crooked politician!!!
SOLYNDRAGATE: Huge Email Dump Implicates Obama And Rahm In Bankruptcy Scandal
is it any worse than what is there now?
Maybe 2 weeks ago I was listening to Tom Cross on WBBM "At Issue" segment. This guy scared the shit out of me. One of his primary targets to destroy is pensions. He thinks by lowering your retirement benefits, the Government will be more efficient, and he does't care 2 shits about what your already entitled to. Im sure the segment can be reviewed, see for yourself.
Hey I thought this city was safe and the greatest place in the United States to live? Last night a total of 20 people shot in this high taxed, we have enough Police and I am moving people around smoke and mirror's and 3 dead?
Rahm what's wrong with this picture? It's going to be warm again this evening as well and Monday is a holiday... How many more people shot tonight? let's just say we get another 20 plus half of that on a warm holiday Sunday evening, that would be 50 shot and 7.5 dead?
How's that for math Rahm & Gary? Plus Ashland and Irving Park? Isn't that blocks from the great mayor's house and Rosie? How are those high taxes working out for you? Man o man, can't even get a 3 piece at "Popeyes" with out violence, what's next on the agenda Mr Mayor police and fire pension's?
Yes, let's reform public pensions by giving majority control to the Mayor. I just want to know what deal those 2 suburban representatives who sponsored the bill made with Rahm. This stinks of backroom politics !
Thanks to all city employees and their families , friends that chose to sit home and not vote.
These commies get elected with only 35% of voters taking 10 minutes out of their day to vote .
Wait til next contract , we're in for an uphill battle.
This is nothing. Wait until there are no pensions. The cold hard truth of the matter is that this state is broke. There is no money and unlike the federal government it cannot print more. Welcome to the fruition of the Peoples Democratic Banana Republic of Chicago and it's jefe, Twinkle-toes.
Am a little confused Why would Rahm was 4 city appointed members and 3 elected members when the city already has 5 city appointed members and 4 elected members. The city already has the majority so there must be something else in the bill
Makes no sense to pass a new bill for something you already have
Any ideas and what has the pension board said They seem to be very quiet including our elected members and the FOP
"So Rahm would get to pick four appointees and we'd elect three?
Gee, what could possibly go wrong with this scenario?"
Sucks being on the wrong side of math.
Like the casinos, the house always wins because the games are rigged that way.
Rahm is a dick.
This is not legal. The pensions are protected under the IL Constitution and the only way to change the pensions is to change the IL Constitution. The only way to change the IL Constitution is the every ten year vote for a Constitution Convention. We defeated Con Con.
Democrats will steal the pennies out of a dead man's eyes.
OT - This is good:
Sentence is upheld for man who got 20 years for refusing to testify
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-long-sentence-20111007,0,4388664.story
See, occasionally good things in the courts, and no, the rest rest of the state is not like Crook Co.
the fact is , the way it stands there needs to be changes to save the fund. is it fair, hell no. but the city was allowed to neglect putting in the fund what it owes. but they had money for asm and bs realestate deals, and flower pots. the market goes down every time potus opens his mouth. get on the phone and call the senators and reps ,tell them you are not taking it. or wait for someone else to do it for you. lol
They waste, steal, and squander all our Tax Dollars, while getting fat off the hog, and then always try to take, take, take, more from us for their own greedy selves and their power-hungry greed. Seen your Tax Bill yet? It's called Government OUT of CONTROL, and must be stopped. They will destroy the middle class soon, and have only the poor [us] and the rich [them/Government Leaders]. This is the Democrat goal, Communism.
Anonymous said...
Better hope your differed comp is doing good. Its probably all you'll have.
10/08/2011 06:35:00 AM
Um, have you been paying attention to the markets lately?
Where in the Hell is the FOP? Why aren't they screaming about this bill? They have known about it and they are silent. If this bill passes we are truly FUCKED! Where are the other unions? We have the power to stop any bill they want to slip through the General Assembly. How about those union bosses who got to double dip on pensions. That was passed some time ago thanks to Emil Jones...That Corrupt, Fat, Sleezey POS!
Where do we send our cards and letters to fight this ?
10/08/2011 12:17:00 AM
You do know that you have elected representatives, don't you? That would be a good place to start. Call them and voice your opinion.
Then next election, go and vote.
Anonymous Fed up said...
If tiny dancer wants to trade something for our duty availability, how about we throw out the no strike clause. They seem to be related, so it's a perfect match in my book.
10/08/2011 12:20:00 AM
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"No strike" is not a clause, but an Illinois State Law.
http://tinyurl.com/3rwhrsh
Does Rahm have knowledge of failed energy company?
we have 1 card to play. the movers-parkers and ANIV card. we just need the sellouts to join the cause when the time calls.
it looks like we are f-cked, because all the votes will go down rhamies majority way
This is War. Make no mistake. Chicago Police Officers have no greater enemy than the treacherous pretender in the Mayor's office. He is your enemy whether you are on active duty or retired. Brothers and sisters we are dirt to this man. He will betray us. FOP wake up!
If anyone has to get it broke off in their ass balls-deep and without lube, I sincerely hope it's the teachers union.
The few sellout principals, teachers and LSCs that willingly gave up their union's guidance and protection need to be the ones to discover that there are very real, and very financially troubling consequences to willingly putting yourself over the proverbial barrel and spreading your own cheeks to maximum separation.
A number of you liberal, bleeding heart CPS patsies saw no problem whatsoever in ignoring your union representation, instead selling-out for a few measely hundred bucks (how much did it average? $800?). You tried to mask your greed as "doing it for the children", but the truth is obvious - Rahm exploited your weaknesses.
He knows what the majority of you know: the Chicago Public School system has been a failed social experiment ever since they mandated integration via "bussing-in" kids from faraway districts. This phenomenon only grew worse when the influx of illegal immigrants descended locust-like into the CPS system, effectively devouring resources that were already straining to keep pace with the needs of children of legally documented citizens. Cultural differences, the dynamics of single parent households common place in a lot of these families and housing and nutritional anomalies are related topics too involved to delve into at present.
If the CPS "died" tomorrow, a fitting obituary would include: "Another taxpayer-funded atrocity consumed by the diseases called Liberalism and Socialism".
Oh, that's just silly - silly..... If 3 were shot at the same location it only counts for 1... silly, I say.
If tiny dancer wants to trade something for our duty availability, how about we throw out the no strike clause. They seem to be related, so it's a perfect match in my book.
10/08/2011 12:20:00 AM
Go away Rahm troll
Solyndra.
The Washington Post of all outfits, is getting close to catching Emanuel in a lie over this.
Emanuel was raised in Wilmette to look down on Chicagoans. He considers himself superior to all who live here, especially the white working class. He thinks the people of Chicago are scum.
He's using this city as a tool to benefit his greentech grifter and Wall Street buddies for future consideration, period.
"Jeff Burdick said...
I like how Mayor Rahm is trying to cross off a campaign promise with fathom redeployments. Makes you wonder how many fathom budget savings he'll announce this week."
Alright, I normally ignore common typos and poor grammer, but give me a break here. A FATHOM is a unit of measure equal to either six feet or 1.8 meters. Clearly you meant to use the word PHANTOM, but didn't know how to spell it. Next time you want to use a word outside of your normal vocabulary, please look it up first!
Just my $.02 worth.
Teachers are having a march from Board of Trade to CPS Clark street on October 10th, Monday at 4pm.
There goes our pensions, insanity, and lawlessness!
RUMORS:
Captains to be re-assigned as "executive officers"
* Captains would be working under district commanders. Perhaps they will take over smaller units and commanders will get dumped.
* Lieutenants will be re-named "watch coordinator”. No more title of "watch commander". They will only get paid LTs pay.
* NO MORE DESK SERGEANTS.
One officer will be named as the “bonding officer” and they will be in charge of the safe, clerk arrest reports, get all the paperwork together for prisoners going to court and writing I-Bonds.
Since the general orders are being re-written the city feels they are not circumventing the contracts.
Im tellin ya. No mercy.. traffic tickets for everything. Backlog the fuck out of these districts. The Sgts will go nuts trying to clear the boards. Write paper for every lil thing. Then when people bitch, politley state. This is what Rahm wants. New Mayor new policies. We could have fun fuckin with 9.5. They did this in New York and Guliane backed off the same dam day!
Checked out the Illinois House website to read this bill. Seems it is being peddled as an anti-fraud measure. They have no shame!!
SCC, check out the numbers, in the last 24 hours, 24 people shot and 3 of those 24 are dead. Be careful out there.
10/08/2011 06:02:00 AM
How can this be?? Rahm and McNutty are going out of their way to tell anyone and everyone that crime is down.
They're so busy patting themselves on the back they're going to hurt themselves.
The corporations don't have enough, they need more, more, more...bringing the old clouted ones out of retirement now as though the multi-million dollar CEO's are fighting a noble cause of valor.
We should glorify this guy in the story below because... look...he's 69 years old and coming back to work to fight to take away the public pensions. He's going to "save the taxpayer" ha...he could care less about the taxpayer. More like the city needs to tap more funds for corporate tax breaks imo.
He'll show you how to do it!
Get the lobbyist in there with their checkbooks. Isn't that wonderful!!!!
What do you think the city and State will do with any money saved from any pension cuts?
More tax breaks for his corporate friends maybe?
I'll tell you what. Throw the pensions agreements and the union contracts on top of the pile of fraudulent housing appraisals, and the fraudulent liar loans, and the misrepresented fraudulent credit default swaps and the fraudulent robo-signed foreclosure documents that the banks got away with and that Washington and the regulators ignore. There's millions of them. Millions of crimes and frauds. Yeah throw the union contracts and pension on that pile of trash. It's meaningless paper.
We can't even count on the constitution being worth anything it's hanging by a thread.
Do you see anyone at any level of government stepping up to bring these bankers and regulators that ignore the laws to justice?
First you create a crisis by underfunding the pensions and then you act like it was an act of God that no-one could have possibly prevented and play the victim.
That's how you use a crisis.
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Pension overhaul gets executive push
Retired executive leads fight for changes to Illinois pension system
Phil Rosenthal
October 8, 2011
A lot of people in James Farrell's position would choose to take on no greater challenge than getting into a good restaurant, getting out of a sand trap or getting away to someplace where the living is easy.
Instead, the 69-year-old retired chairman and CEO of Illinois Tool Works has gotten himself into a battle for state pension reform that has him and area business leaders fighting to win support from Illinois legislators despite resistance from public unions.
Illinois has $140 billion in retirement-related obligations. At issue is an unfunded pension liability of $85 billion and growing daily. Farrell and the rest of the Civic Committee of The Commercial Club of Chicago contend that, if not restructured or otherwise addressed, the shortfall will require still-higher taxes and diminished government services that will drive people and businesses from the state
"I hate to be altruistic about it," Civic Committee Chairman Farrell said, forcing a half laugh. "But in this case, I can't even work myself to figure out what might be a different angle for us. It is truly only to have sensibility in the financial well-being of the state. All that emanates from that is good. All that emanates from not doing it is bad.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/columnists/ct-biz-1009-phil-20111008,0,5064587.column
Not a cop. When will someone b a leader and DENY any politician a pension? Why should any elected official get more money than police or fire? Rahm and Bill Daley have made fortunes from the misery of others. Give some back
Increased contributions, older retirement age and lower payments.
Embrace it.......there is nothing you can do.
Say "good bye" to your Police Proactive activities!
You get nothing from me in return from this sneak attack garbage!
Find your representative here and tell them that they work for us. Not the other way around.
http://www.elections.il.gov/DistrictLocator/DistrictOfficialSearchByAddress.aspx
Chicago billionaire Penny Pritzker, above during the June 22, 2011 meeting of the Chicago Board of Education, was among the seven people appointed to the Chicago Board of Education by Mayor Rahm Emanuel in May 2011. Priztker is a prominent member of the Civic Committee of the Commercial Club, which has begun running advertisements across Illinois attacking the pension plans of public workers, including Illinois teachers
It must be Nice to be a BILLIONAIRE!!!
If I had a BILLIONAIRE TRUST Fund I wouldn't need a "GREEDY!!!" PENSION.
Hopefully rham will be indicted over the Solyndra loan scandal.
Something must be done about the high ranking political hacks who retired from government jobs with annual pension payouts in the multiple six figures. This will completely drain the pension system to the point that nothing will be left for the average state employee. These oversized pensions need to be canceled immediately; waiting for reforms for new state employees won't solve this problem.
Taxpayers will NOT stay in this state and pay taxes high enough to sustain the kind of ever-increasing waste and graft that Illinois is known for.
For people who live in Madigan's district in 008...he currently supports this bill. He seems to have forgotten a majority of his Chicagoan constituents are city employees.
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Yep, and FOP endorsed Madigan.
Madigan knows very well who his constituents are; he is extremely cunning. I doubt he is worried, he will probably be endorsed again, and elected again.
scc... what do you advise...
Why do some of you expect scc to do all your homework? "Who do we send our letters to?" WTF? you're an adult. Write your elected representatives.
For the other guy, why are you blaming Obama for this? Historically most democrats are pro labor. That means they support you, the working stiff. They might be wrong on some other stuff though.!
Timme to march around City Hall yelling "Rahm Sucks!"
who is the board member who voted with the city reps on the board.
Why can't we preemptively start a classaction lawsuit against the city for not fulfilling its budgeted responsibilities and creating a dangerous/hazardous work environment. Any injuries suffered in the impending chaos of next summer can be directly tied to this purposeful negligence. This HAS to be by DESIGN, no one can be dumb enough to send 8,000 poorly trained,equiped and understaffed officers against 200,000 protestors and expect them not to snap.
Posters: don't yell at me to do something--I don't know what to do. Maybe someone on our side does. I would be willing to follow their lead!
10/08/2011 12:27:00 AM
i know what to do, but if i tell you, i'll have to kill you.
Chalkie
So where are our union leaders to rally everyone to stop these corrupt bastards from taking over our pensions. The city already has unelected reps on all pension boards. Stop these fuckheads now or we will lose everything!
10/08/2011 12:32:00 AM
so, where are our rank and file, to rally each other, instead of waiting to be led by the hand, while being bottle fed?
Take a quick look at this letter to Quinn. In it you'll find several cases that have established precedent and you'll also find the original language used by the framers of the Illinois Pension Protection Clause of the Constitution.
In this leter you'll find that the stated intent of the framers of the Pension Protection Clause in the state constitution clearly states that the point of the clause is to protect current employees from having their benefits reduced from what they were when they first became employed and started paying pension payments.
Just because some dipshits tried coming up with the same arguments someone else has before doesn't mean they're correct. In fact, the same shitheads trying to destroy government pensions using the "earned to date" bullshit have already had their argument shit on by both the appellate court and the supreme court.
Gonna be real tough for either court to figure a way out of case law they themselves have already ruled on and established.
http://www.senatedem.ilga.gov/phocadownload/PDF/PensionDocs/divitomemo-05-05-10.pdf
We will certainly be in trouble if one person gets so much control over any city pensions!!
10/08/2011 01:55:00 AM
that's their point.
and good luck on convincing your neighbors that they should support higher taxes.
FOP better get on the stick and line up the lawyers.
The Sgt's association just endorsed Lazzaro again. I used to work with him in 001. Not to bright. Is this the guy we want protecting our pension in Springfield? I will vote for anyone but him. Hey SCC, how about a topic on Pension Board elections that are coming up?
donahue now shields mouthpiece lobbyist knew about this when he tried to eliminate the sgt rep but was defeated. donahue playing both sides of the fence and taking green behind the ears shields what a cluster f;;;
Is it just my observation or is the 025th district murder rate comparable to Michoacon Mexico?
011 dist lockup 1st watch are useless!
its okay...we still wont vote!
For all the people living in the 19th Ward, these are your ELECTED reps.
Mathew J. O'Shea
Alderman
(773)238-8766
mattoshea@the19thward.com
Edward D. Maloney
State Senator
(773)881-4180
ed@edmaloney.com
Bill Cunningham
State Representative
(773)445-8128
staterepbillcunningham@gmail.com
www.the19thward.com
Let them know how you feel about them giving away the pensions you bargained and paid for!
Anonymous said...
It says "Chicago Laborers" there is a union called the chicago Laborers union, but there is also the "Laborers Annuity & Benefit Fund", which is it? How do Republicans conspire with a Democratic Mayor to take control of our pension system?
10/08/2011 08:00:00 AM
Because Republicans nor Democrats give a hoot about our pensions. That is why. Wake up.
Anonymous said...
Nothing like trying to put the fox in charge of the hen house!
If this fucking weasel gets his 9.5 digits on our pension board we are so fucked.
10/08/2011 09:11:00 AM
Wasn't this the problem before? Wasn't it that Daley hand picked the pension board for the city who then all agreed to give 60 mil of the CPD pension away to Daley's nephew and other money from the Teacher's pension as well to his buddies?
I think it is a conflict of interest for an elected official to appoint anyone to oversee large amounts of money such as the chicago workers pensions. No good can come from it.
Legislation was introduced by Tom Cross, Republican. If any of you believe there is a difference between the Democratic and Republican Party in Illinois you are dumb!
Anonymous said...
Where do we send our cards and letters to fight this ?
10/08/2011 12:17:00 AM
Cards & letters? Better try rocks and clubs and baseball bats. You better do more than cards & letters when they try to hijack our pension to pay for Daley's 22 year run of thievery. That pain you will feel up your butt is Rahm sticking it to you. Send a card or letter in protest.
the city of chicago isnt broke!we will have a surplus !!time to contact our politicians about the pensions again!!
this when our union leaders need to united with the other city unions and have a demonstration...set a date to protest the treatment of the people that held this city togather and stopping it from becoming detroit because we have to mandatory live here.
For those of you who live in the 13th Ward, Madigan has NEVER been a police supporter. Like all Democrats he has relied on the ignorance of his constituency to get re-elected over and over again. Thank you sir, may I have another. The Democrats control both houses and the Governor. Any bill brought by Cross is meaningless unless the Democrats support it.
The best defense is a good offense. We have bills in the Legislature, we pay a lobbyist and Mark Donahue to represent us in Springfield. Last session they did nothing to move our bills. How about putting some pressure on them to DO SOMETHING.
Rahm has you so scared that you're happy with the status quo.
Get off your asses and make some calls. I can't do this by myself. Want to know who to call? LOOK IT UP! Call your State Representative and Senator. Call Quinn. Call Cullerton. Call Madigan. Call Cross. Call Rodogno. Call the FOP office.
Move our bills and it gives you something else to bargain with.
we need a rally invite everyone,before the g-8...make this clown look like a fool...
Im tellin ya. No mercy.. traffic tickets for everything. Backlog the fuck out of these districts. The Sgts will go nuts trying to clear the boards. Write paper for every lil thing. Then when people bitch, politley state. This is what Rahm wants. New Mayor new policies. We could have fun fuckin with 9.5. They did this in New York and Guliane backed off the same dam day!
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You know, you kind of opened my eyes,,,why not create chaos? We cant protest or strike,,hmmm,,,laughing if we could pull that off...
Its high time to tap into those 100s of millions of $$$ in the TIF funds, and I won't take "No" for an answer.
RUMORS:
Captains to be re-assigned as "executive officers"
* Captains would be working under district commanders. Perhaps they will take over smaller units and commanders will get dumped.
* Lieutenants will be re-named "watch coordinator”. No more title of "watch commander". They will only get paid LTs pay.
* NO MORE DESK SERGEANTS.
One officer will be named as the “bonding officer” and they will be in charge of the safe, clerk arrest reports, get all the paperwork together for prisoners going to court and writing I-Bonds.
Since the general orders are being re-written the city feels they are not circumventing the contracts.
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This is in the works to go through by the end of the year.
The city ALSO want all civlians on the desk with the exception of the one sworn P.O. that can be the "bonding officer".
A couple of rough drafts of some new orders have been making their way around 35th street.
In the mean time NO promotions any time soon.
LTs will fall under 200 in manpower.
At least 40+ sergeants have put in their papers for this year. By the middle of next year sgts will fall under 1100 in manpower.
Captains should fall under 40 by next year also.
FUcking Chicago politics.
Down state you fool.
who said we cant protest.. there a difference between a strike and a protest. we protested the olympic in chicago didnt we..
rahm 9.5... sucks!!!
union reps need to be coming to districts more not just during elections and start to organize against these tyrants.
Write the Governor too: governor@illinois.gov
Here is a link to find out who your peeps are in your State District: http://www.elections.il.gov/districtlocator/districtofficialsearchbyaddress.aspx
Darlene Senger and and tom cross - are both Republicans.
Well boys and girls life comes at you heard.
Don't ever stay at a Hyatt Hotel or patronize any business the Pritzker's are involved in. Seriously.
Monday, October 10, 2011
Mass Mobilization
@4PM: Jobs March
Federal Plaza @ Adams/Dearborn
Daley Plaza @ Washington/Dearborn
@4PM: Homes March
Hyatt Regency @ Wacker/Stetson
@4PM: Schools March
Hilton Chicago @ Balbo/Michigan
Chicago Board of Trade @ Jackson/LaSalle
http://www.takebackchicago.org/
The simple solution is for 020,024,018,001,002,023 and 019 to pull over Yuppies for EVERY INFRACTION they see at rush hour and after running all their info,give them verbal warnings. A week of non-revenue generating gridlock would make people crazy. The act of a simple traffic stop on LSD or Sheridan Rd creates " Gawker Blocks" and 5-6 at a time would be pandemonium.
Fed up said...
If tiny dancer wants to trade something for our duty availability, how about we throw out the no strike clause. They seem to be related, so it's a perfect match in my book.
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Why do you care about keeping your word when you're dealing with liars and thieves?
Am I wrong but did I noticed none of the pensions involved in this bill deals with POLITICIANS PENSIONS. That means fuck head Daley will continue to get his pension when we lose ours. These fucking dirt bag politicians are the scum of the earth. They have theirs and they want to sacrifice our earned pensions to have more money to piss away on worthless projects. Time for an uprising. Let these dirty bastards know we are here. Get some marches lined up FOP. Where the FUCK IS THE FOP?
covert job action or just attack the "agitators/protesters/demonstartors/a/holes" and or let the city burn as every city/country has in the past 30 f years. clearly they have more manpower , assets than us. the city is hiding our federal fundingtoo much liberal rhetoric on ur site. fair is one thing but for them they have comprised you.
Flop???????????????????????????
Shields??????????????
nothing keep taking our dues though nice
I've been saying this for a long time to anyone who would listen. We have the elitist , who are our elected officials( think of Burke, Daley and Emmanuel)and big business. Big business has lobbiest who lobby for big business legislation that takes more money out of the workers pocket and puts it in big businessess' pocket. The lobbiest take care of the politicians in the way of political contributions who vote in favor of the big business that is buying their vote (pay to play). Now everyone is happy. Big business just took more money from your pocket and the politicians get re-elected and their elitist status is preserved. To pay back big business you award them TIFF funds( taxpayer dollars) and have them make a contribution to your favorite charity that you control. More money taken from the taxpaying working man. You raise their property taxes by increasing both the state multiplier and the local tax rate to take even more money from the working man. Then you introduce legislation that takes away their pension benefits. You have sucessfully taken away 65-85% of their social security benefits thanks to the Rostenkowski legislation that Omama promised to repeal if we endorsed him for state senator, more money taken from the working teacher, police officer or firemen. Do you see a pattern here? Do you wonder why our parents had a much easier time making ends meet with only 1 income than we have with 2 incomes? It's time for the revolution to begin! Remember when the people decide to take revenge for your kleptocracies, rule by thieves, I'm glad I will be on the giving end, instead of the receiving end, like you. Tiocfaidh ár Lá and when it does I will give you as much consideration as you have given looking out for my family. A pissed off taxpayer who's MAD AS HELL AND NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE FROM ANYONE INCLUDING IRISH, JEWISH OR MUSLIM NOBILITY.
Im tellin ya. No mercy.. traffic tickets for everything. Backlog the fuck out of these districts.
LIKE IT
One way to stop this asshole would be to get out and vote in the Presidential election. If Obama can be thrown out of office by a Republican who will lead, maybe shit will roll downhill and stop at Chicago's city hall.
I believe that this may be the only chance that we have, so vote or shut the fuck up.
2 ways. 1 stratgey. tie up the city by brutaliziny the laws on the books. 2nd; the pen is mightier than the sword. we kick buttox with the citizens, the media and our protesters who have access to this site. amen and god bless all here except those that want create havouc
Hey guess what?
Look what they did to us in the private sector. Do you think that you're special?
Obama supposedly gave us a two percent FICA Social Security payroll tax break (that's our retirement safety net)this year and the State of Illinois immediately took the money away with a corresponding two percent State income tax increase.
Then after the State got their hands on our retirement money they began handing out corporate tax breaks again to corporations!
Who's going to make up those lost payments to our retirement funds?
It's a transfer of wealth and now it's your turn.
The corporate CEO's are rallying going to meet with the lawmakers to demand pension reform so they can get more tax breaks.
They reform the pensions you pay for the cuts...
When it's done now there's more room in the city budget for more tax breaks using the tired old "it will create much needed jobs
Not only are you about to be robbed on that end of the deal...get ready for the big sell job on changing your pension plan into a 401K plan so that you can invest in the stock market buying the company stocks from the same CEO's that are now demanding the pension reforms. Another ponzi scam like the mortgages if you ever seen one.
Signature on real estate liar-loans from people on both sides of the table meant nothing. No-one has gone to jail for fraud. Nor have the bankers even been charged for the racketeering with regard to housing appraisals on the homes they sold. The bankers created CDS's for the mortgage loans with misleading and missing doc's and got away with the frauds. Millions of them and when it cane tine to foreclose on those hones and the banks couldn't fine the paper trail to the mortgage to prove that they had a right to the property they lied and committed more frauds millions of them.
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How about a little personal responsibility? If you bought a house you couldn't afford, too bad. Didn't understand the papers you signed? Then you're an idiot. Not a bankers fault.
We need to protest, like they are doing all over the place. Egypt, and New York.
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Yeah, in Egypt they want more duty availability pay. MORON.
The corporations don't have enough, they need more, more, more...bringing the old clouted ones out of retirement now as though the multi-million dollar CEO's are fighting a noble cause of valor.
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Yeah! This is all those corporations fault. I hate people who work hard and are successful. They should have to give some of there money to me. Obama says spread the wealth around. Well I want mine. And I shouldn't have to work for it.
Anonymous said...
This is not legal. The pensions are protected under the IL Constitution and the only way to change the pensions is to change the IL Constitution. The only way to change the IL Constitution is the every ten year vote for a Constitution Convention. We defeated Con Con.
10/08/2011 11:40:00 AM
Tell it to the Easter bunny.
Check out this video:
Conservative Reporter Threatened by Rahm Supporters over Solyndra (VIDEO)
http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/bill-kellys-truth-squad/2011/oct/2/conservative-reporter-threatened-rahm-supporters-o/
When the reporter tries to ask Rahm, as he is coming off stage, a question about Solyndra the goon squad intervenes and makes Rahm do a one-eighty "Hey how about one more round of applause for Rahm...one more time.."
Did they really grab the reporters microphone and tell him that they should "kick his teeth in " for asking embarrassing questions.
It's pretty entertaining. So much for that transparent government eh?
we have 1 card to play. the movers-parkers and ANIV card. we just need the sellouts to join the cause when the time calls.
What the hell is an ANIV card?
Is it just my observation or is the 025th district murder rate comparable to Michoacon Mexico?
10/08/2011 06:01:00 PM
Mmmmh. No. Unless truckloads of beheaded people get dumped at the mall. Then yes. Thanx for playing. It's spelled Michoacan or what us mexicans call it Michigan ( as Detroit )
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Four more shot and wounded since noon Saturday. It's only 11 pm as I write this ..how many is that this weekend so far 24 with 7 dead?
Coordinated terrorist attacks -- shootings across the city.
North side..west side...south side..
Kids going to the library, kids waiting for football practice and the pod camera's are doing nothing.
Increased contributions, older retirement age and lower payments.
Embrace it.......there is nothing you can do.
10/08/2011 02:56:00 PM
Leave?
Why is the FOP not speaking up??? Shouldn't we have more reps then the mayor??? It is our money..
public employees would be screwed royally if this passed. it's not as if we could even collect social security (although that may implode anyway) when we retire in our old age. even if we liken deferred comp to a 401K, many folks that will be eligible for SS have a 401K plan. we've been contributing to our pensions and not SS -- not because of any system WE devised -- but one the politicians did. and now they want to blow that up???? i guess they want us living on dog food in our golden years. and for those who might say plan wisely, blah, blah, blah, the pension system was a part of the plan.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Take a quick look at this letter to Quinn. In it you'll find several cases that have established precedent and you'll also find the original language used by the framers of the Illinois Pension Protection Clause of the Constitution.
In this leter you'll find that the stated intent of the framers of the Pension Protection Clause in the state constitution clearly states that the point of the clause is to protect current employees from having their benefits reduced from what they were when they first became employed and started paying pension payments.
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it would amount to theft if they tried reducing any current employees plan. not that they're above theft....that's what they do for a living. i'll fight this all the way to the supreme court if necessary. the legislation may pass but i don't see how legally they can change the pension system for employees currently in it.
Big business has lobbiest who lobby for big business legislation that takes more money out of the workers pocket and puts it in big businessess' pocket.
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I agree. We should run all big businesses out of Illinois. And these greedy rich people too; growing their business, paying taxes; paying employees who pay taxes. Who needs them? THE BASTARDS!
Of course once they're gone our property taxes will go up to about $90,000 each so we can get paid. But I don't care as long as we get rid of those greedy rich people. Trying to make money. Who do they think they are? And don't get me started on the banks. I wanted to buy a house that I couldn't possibly afford and a banker chased me down the street; held a gun to my head; and made me take a mortgage that I now can't afford. Obviously it's not my fault. It has to be the fault of the bank;or big business; or a rich person; or I know....BUSH!
I like how Mayor Rahm is trying to cross off a campaign promise with fathom redeployments. Makes you wonder how many fathom budget savings he'll announce this week. Before the pain hits, lets enjoy a good laugh through this comedy YouTube video that's part of a series created by a local sketch comedy group: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBN5bxxq01I
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The word you're seeking is 'phantom'. Phantom, not fathom.
Well if he takes away our pensions im throwing in the towel there will be no reason to put on this monkey suit and deal with the bullshit day after day....il leave and wont even care.
2 ways. 1 stratgey. tie up the city by brutaliziny the laws on the books. 2nd; the pen is mightier than the sword. we kick buttox with the citizens, the media and our protesters who have access to this site. amen and god bless all here except those that want create havouc
10/08/2011 10:22:00 PM
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This would be funny if it wasn't so pitiful.
Emanuel is DETERMINED to paint us as the bad guys, undeserving of our pension benefits.
And YOU want to punish and alienate the public, and CONVINCE them that we're the bad guys. Brilliant strategy.
The simple solution is for 020,024,018,001,002,023 and 019 to pull over Yuppies for EVERY INFRACTION they see at rush hour and after running all their info,give them verbal warnings. A week of non-revenue generating gridlock would make people crazy. The act of a simple traffic stop on LSD or Sheridan Rd creates " Gawker Blocks" and 5-6 at a time would be pandemonium.
10/08/2011 09:13:00 PM
Already doo.
i promise u all that we are gonna face the hired for profit agitators... we need to send a message now that they will be given the same respect they give us or they will go to ...
Fun with numbers.
Suppose all the unemployed in Illinois were to magically get hired at Ford landing one of those $16,500/year UAW positions that the politicians brag about -- would the State Income tax collected from those jobs put a dent in the $85 billion dollar underfunded pension debt?
Nope...it would take 160 years for them to generate $85 billion dollars at that wage and a 5% State income tax rate if my math is correct.
What if the entire working population of Illinois currently about 6.6 million people could only find a $16,500/year shovel ready job? That group would generate $5.445 billion in taxes per year assuming a 5% rate. So in ahhhh 16 years or so sending all their tax dollars to the pension fund and you would have about 80% billion dollars.
We better hope the leaders of this country come up with some living wage jobs pronto, else we are all looking at retirement in poverty.
Why did we ever let them squander the money and blow off pension fund contributions year after year after year?
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The BLS website reported Illinois unemployment at 653,000 people as of Aug 2011.
653,000 workers X $16,500 wages == $10,774,500,000
$10.744 billion dollars x 5% state income tax rate == $537.2 million dollars per year in tax revenue.
http://www.bls.gov/eag/eag.il.htm
Where are our so-called leaders from the FOP? No Confidence Vote on Shields...M-Fled...Gotta run..
As to 9:26... Go F Yourself! I am a hair gel.., sort of. Not that young but whatever, I have about 8 years on. I was a tradesman for over a decade before I joined CPD! However, I'm not a pushover or a slouch! I have watched my other union tank and don't plan on watching my pension go also. So, if willing to help me fix this, I will go out of my way to help our cause. You have the life experience... I have the pay your dues and go fuck yourself experience! Hairgels are products of the 90s. U might think we are young, but we grew up in the trades. Ask us... You might learn something if u are not to proud to pretend we don't matter. Remember, we pay YOUR pension.
This is not legal. The pensions are protected under the IL Constitution and the only way to change the pensions is to change the IL Constitution. The only way to change the IL Constitution is the every ten year vote for a Constitution Convention. We defeated Con Con.
10/08/2011 11:40:00
Wrong the Il constitution can be changed if 3/5 thats 60% of state legislature votes for it and with a simple referendum in the general election. Our fund is billions underfunded just read the report online I have knowledge of pension accounting. I could write paragraphs explaining,
but dont want to put you to sleep. One detail I'll tell you is the fund assumes and projects an annual return of 8%, very hard to get that longterm. I've written posts here before re:pension.Worried about them upping our contribution? That is a guarantee.You should be preparing for worse then that. In the not to distant future current employees will take large cuts in benefits. Those that say "no way" are the same that said housing prices would never fall and are telling me they aren't closing at least two district stations including one I work in.
Anonymous said...
Increased contributions, older retirement age and lower payments.
Embrace it.......there is nothing you can do.
10/08/2011 02:56:00 PM
Ehhh.....wrong.
If Illinois government is allowed the ability to accomplish what you allege, then they can just abolish pension funds whenever they want.
And they can't.
Age of retirement calculations, contribution percents.... all those things are what make up the contractual obligation you AND the city agreed to when you embarked upon your employment and made your first pension contribution.
Everything else is bullshit for the masses, feeble attempts to dismiss appellate and supreme court case law and a delibrate misrepresentation of any case law used in defense of the lame attempt by Sidley Austin's argument to claim the Pension Protection Clause of the Illinois constitution has no meaning.
Gridlock Gridlock Gridlock
Backlog Backlog Backlog
Unity Untiy Unity.
Take your time on a traffic stop and gridlock the hell out of this city. Write every ticket you can and say this is what Rahm wants. Answer your calls efficiently and safely and take your time. Write paper for everything. Can you say BACKLOG!
For once before I leave this toilet can we stick together and move as a unit!
Stumpy Fuck You finger would go nuts!
The corporations don't have enough, they need more, more, more...bringing the old clouted ones out of retirement now as though the multi-million dollar CEO's are fighting a noble cause of valor.
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Yeah! This is all those corporations fault. I hate people who work hard and are successful. They should have to give some of there money to me. Obama says spread the wealth around. Well I want mine. And I shouldn't have to work for it.
10/08/2011 10:42:00 PM
Listen, when you have one CEO of a company making 10 times as much money as every other employee of the company combined, there's something wrong with the system. When we have to pay CEO's 500 million dollar golden parachute bonuses to leave a company after they've run it into the fucking ground, something is wrong. Don't act like these fat cats are all hard working geniuses that deserve every penny of their 100 million dollar per year salaries. The peon at the bottom making minimum wage works harder than they do. On the CPD all the top brass got where they are because of their high intelligence and hard work right? They all earned it right? LOL.
I left before 29 & a day a few years ago and jumped into the Private Sector. Was not sure I did the right thing. With all this BS, guys, start looking into it.If your CPD pension is not there, you still have deferred comp from the city,a deferred comp plan from a private sector employer, social security points built up,and retirement plan.
I loved "The Job", but love my family even more. Do what's best for you and your Family.
if you have at atleast 25yrs on the job you may want to retire
I have written this for a few years now-- Pension will be bankrupt
earliest--2018
latest --2022
I remember 3 or 4 years ago when I made these predictions on how some posters were talking about state guarantees, contract law, etc.
old retired guy
the state already did pension reform!chicago will have money with all the cuts rahminator is doing!
Is there a way to stop this one blog commentator asks. Yes there is. In Wisconsin the republican governor and the republican majority state assembly codified pension law protection for our brother police officers, sheriffs deputies, and state troopers. The pensions reigned in were those of the leftists teachers unions-you think DTEB or Linda Flores is going to rape our pension? You ought to see what the principal at Marshall, Schurz, or the redoubtable Morton Career Academy or Clemente will be retiring with But you all know better and this is why Rahm carried the northwest side in the mayoral election. Good for you. As for me, I married rich!
You know this entire pension mess will end up in court? Do not be so sure of a positive outcome. I remember in the mid 80's when they lowered the retirement age from 57 to 50 in increments. There was no constitutional convention to do that one.
Positions can be eliminated, such as desk sergeant, lock-up keeper, review officer etc. If a position is eliminated and restructured I really do not think a grievance will be successful.
Once again greedy politicians want to hurt the working man. When are these greedy bastards ever going to cut their pensions and benefits to share the sacrifice. If the voter only knew of the benefits these politicians get and the wasteful spending they do. Cutting their paid meals and lodging while in session (paid for buy the working tax payer) could cut a fair share from spending but your not suppose to know that ops!
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
This is not legal. The pensions are protected under the IL Constitution and the only way to change the pensions is to change the IL Constitution. The only way to change the IL Constitution is the every ten year vote for a Constitution Convention. We defeated Con Con.
10/08/2011 11:40:00 AM
Right, and it is illegal to give big pension fund payouts to major labor leaders because it is illegal and would require a bill be passed in the Illinois Legislature to be signed on the last day of his term by Big Jim Thompson.
That is illegal.
What? It happened?
Oh.
Hmmmmm.
“No Man’s Life Liberty or Property is Safe…While the Legislature is in Session”
Anonymous said...
FOP better get on the stick and line up the lawyers.
The Sgt's association just endorsed Lazzaro again. I used to work with him in 001. Not to bright. Is this the guy we want protecting our pension in Springfield? I will vote for anyone but him. Hey SCC, how about a topic on Pension Board elections that are coming up?
10/08/2011 05:11:00 PM
If you want to make a point how someone is, "not to bright" at least use the appropriate version of the word. (too)
Chicago exceptions:"To, Two, Too" is a breakfast special at the Denny's in Bridgeport.
And... it's appropriate in Bridgeport to say, "I voted for da' mere tree times."
There, that'll learn ya!
Now I am finally DONE! the 1st and 16th and yes back coppers up! No more proactive bullshit,in the ghetto the biggest animal will rule plain and simple! Now your taking OUR EARNED pensions?? Fucking madigan and the rest will take everything! While the daleys,burkes,cullertons,madigans,and the rest of the criminals took billions and gave to friends and family! Where has patrick Fitzgerald been since barry obama took office??
Michael - and others -
Vanecko got $ 15 million for from the Chicago police pension fund - which was part of a $68 million dollar deal when combined with what he obtained from the other pension funds.
Research and your facts straight! There is this thing called Google that with point you in the right direction.
As for anyone saying Lazzaro is dumb - how come he's the only one on the board who voted against the Vanecko deal?
That alone gets my vote!!
Better hope your differed comp is doing good. Its probably all you'll have.
10/08/2011 06:35:00 AM
You better do your homework. Your deferred comp is NOT I repeat NOT federally insured. Not a deposit • Not FDIC or NCUSIF insured• Not guaranteed by the institution • Not insured by any federal government agency • May lose value. Never put all of your eggs in one basket. Deferred could go under tomorrow and you'd have nothing. Also your president could raise taxation on 457 retirement plan withdrawls. He already wants to raise inheritence taxes so wealth can be redistributed. Keep in mind that federal income tax laws are complex and subject to change. Never for your benefit I might add. And trust me if it benefits the lower class he will screw you quickly. Diversify your portfolio. Deferred will go under long before your pension disappears.
"I am a hair gel.., sort of. Not that young but whatever, I have about 8 years on. I was a tradesman for over a decade before I joined CPD!"
I don't think you qualify as a hair gel. You worked a real job as a tradesman. That is something that you can be proud of. My definition of hair gel are those young college pukes who never had a real job and were hired by the CPD right out of college and don't know shit.
10:22 PM
Your (lack of) logic is even worse than your spelling.
I loved what McCarthy said about "morale" on WTTW.
You either get up and do your job, or you don't. No one can make you and "low morale" is just an excuse to be lazy.
God, so many of you thought you could sit on your ass and fish from age 50 to 90. Here's the news. It ain't gonna happen.
That's right! When you leave this job, get ready for another job. The problem with the vast majority of you is that you have no skills, no drive, no ethic and you are rightfully going to be fucked.
A suburban Republican / Cross doing a big favor for Chicago's Mayor and Cook County's Board President.
Daley II and Madigan were co sponsors of the Constitutional protections for our pensions at the 1970 Constitutional Convention.
Finally it has come to light. The money that has placed obama in the white house. The Pritzkers. Good ole penny had has been the main fundraiser for the hyde park carpetbagger and 9.5. She has had failed banking endeavors covered by obamas bailout. Did deep and you will find how this cabal of inherited billionaires, the thieving politician and their operatives, daley, emmanuel, axelrod, civic federation, certain african-american contingencies, "bats" daley love of russian culture, have played with the lives of the working stiffs of this city and their well deserved pensions. This has been going on for years. Our own apathy has brought this on. The machine with "their phone calls" "clout" "juice" has made it the sheeple always voted to keep what the status quo. Its finally has fallen on its ugly head. Blame the liberals, blame the 1%ers, how bout blaming yourselves for voting the way of the machine, instead of shaking it up abit every four years. The above asshats with money know how to play us and have used us for their own gain. Thats why i cant get angry at the "occupy wallstreet movement", these are "our" children trying to breakout of the malaise of this city and this country. We have sold them OUT. OUR indifference and lack of foresight have made it that their generation will be worse off then US.
I agree. We should run all big businesses out of Illinois. And these greedy rich people too; growing their business, paying taxes; paying employees who pay taxes. Who needs them? THE BASTARDS!
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Big Business Greed and their coziness with the politicians along with our politicians handing out free money in exchange for their re-election has caused this problem. They are in bed with all the politicians and are hellbent on creating two classes of people Us and them, just another step towards Socialism, Communism, Emmanualism or Obamaism, whatever you want to call it.
Just one on many examples where your tax dollars are squandered.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/27/us/27cnctif.html
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Oh here's another good
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Oh wait there's on more
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http://www.heritage.org/budgetchartbook/welfare-spending
Fuck the banks, fuck big business,fuck the politicians, fuck the welfare leeches and fuck the illegal immigrants there should be wanted posters for all of these jagoffs.
karma says:
his lies and arrogance will be his downfall.
On 21 Oct let’s show the city what it it looks like with NO CARS AVAILABLE.
Write very BS mover you can (State charges whenever possible) and do not let anyone go.
TVB everyone without a license.
Lock up every asshole you see (no ANOV’s unless they met 100% of the guidelines).
Write every report any asshole wants.
The fall veto session on the 24 & 25 will debate these issues.
We can’t shrike but we can show the city would look like with NO CARS AVAILABLE!!!
TRP
Can we all just pray that this POS Rahm, is brought up on charges in the Solyndra Scandal. He was named in an email and may have to answer questions in the hearings.
Go to Jail, go directly to jail. Do not pass go, do not collect $200.00.
Can you see the Tiny Dancer in an orange jumpsuit?
10/08/2011 09:02:00 AM
And just when you think you will get your wish to see Rahmbo in orange, along comes Barry and flexes his Pardon Muscle and let's his pal walk free.
Contact Chief Co-Sponsor Rep. Darlene J. Senger (R) to stop Public Pension Theft by Rahm Emanuel(HB 3827)
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http://www.senger.ilhousegop.org/
96th District
Springfield Office:
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Springfield, IL 62706
(217) 782-6507
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DuPage County
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Years served: 2009 - Present
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Kendall County
Anonymous said...
Where do we send our cards and letters to fight this ?
10/08/2011 12:17:00 AM
cards and letters my ass...
it's time for pitchforks, brickbats, tar and feathers...
see what happens when YOU DON'T VOTE...
when you DON'T GET YOUR FAMILY TO VOTE...
when you DON'T GET YOUR NEIGHBORS TO VOTE...
when FOP DOESN'T GET ALL OF ITS MEMBERS TO VOTE...
Every time the rahmster appears in public our people should be there to make some noise and hand out pamphlets.
We need our own reporters to ask him the questions the regular news dummies won't ask but may put on the air if the question gets a rise out of him.
God Bless America, and the CPD and Fight this and everything else these Communist/Socialist/Democrats stand for!
Les S---still proud of your Little Prick nephew ?
Anonymous said...
Gridlock Gridlock Gridlock
Backlog Backlog Backlog
Unity Untiy Unity.
Take your time on a traffic stop and gridlock the hell out of this city. Write every ticket you can and say this is what Rahm wants. Answer your calls efficiently and safely and take your time. Write paper for everything. Can you say BACKLOG!
For once before I leave this toilet can we stick together and move as a unit!
Stumpy Fuck You finger would go nuts!
10/09/2011 05:52:00 AM
Why does everyone want to fuck with the citizens? They only believe what they see and hear from the pieces of shit media. They are getting squeezed too. How about educating them? Show how the powers that be want us to stick it to them. Tell them that we are giving them a break because they are being dicked just like we are.
Why does it always have to be the lowely pissants in patrol that have to do the job actions or this that or the other thing to protest? We aren't the only ones in the department that can cause havoc. It doesn't matter anyway. You can't get two coppers to agree on anything. Most would sell you out for a regular early car or just to wear blue jeans to work!
There are currently 4 city appointed and 4 elected pension board members. One of each of the elected represent patrolmen, sgts, Lt's & capts and one for retirees. If twinkle toes - 9.5 gets his way we're definitely fucked! As it is theres always a possibility of one of the elected getting persuaded to vote in the city favor. If this law passes persuasion won't be necessary at all. Better start making calls to your elected officials against this one.
There are currently 4 city appointed and 4 elected pension board members. One of each of the elected represent patrolmen, sgts, Lt's & capts and one for retirees. If twinkle toes - 9.5 gets his way we're definitely fucked! As it is theres always a possibility of one of the elected getting persuaded to vote in the city favor. If this law passes persuasion won't be necessary at all. Better start making calls to your elected officials against this one.
Mr. Cross's MOTHER collects a teacher pension.. so its time for everyone else to change.. WEF
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Fed up said...
If tiny dancer wants to trade something for our duty availability, how about we throw out the no strike clause. They seem to be related, so it's a perfect match in my book.
10/08/2011 12:20:00 AM
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"No strike" is not a clause, but an Illinois State Law.
10/08/2011 12:10:00 PM
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There is a No Strike clause in the contract. Read ARTICLE 5- NO STRIKE of your contract. It is on page 3. There may still be a State Law too. But it is in the contract. Just like residency, as long as it is in the contract changing the state law will do nothing. They will both need to be changed.
Listen, when you have one CEO of a company making 10 times as much money as every other employee of the company combined, there's something wrong with the system.
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Really? How does that hurt you? Are you an investor? Then sell your stock. Don't like the CEO? Tell the Directors. If they don't do something then vote them out.
Not a stock holder? Then mind your own business. Your just envious of someone who has more than you. Don't like the bosses? Then quit. It's that simple. Go do something else. Don't know how to do anything else? That's your own damn fault. Take a little personal responsibility. Man up and stop blaming others for all your woes.
"Really? How does that hurt you? Are you an investor? Then sell your stock. Don't like the CEO? Tell the Directors. If they don't do something then vote them outout lie. ."
Yeah right, there's an oversimplified lie Go peddle your nonsense somewhere else corporate shill.
Michael R. Bloomberg
Mayor of the City of New York
Raymond W. Kelly
Police Commissioner
John Liu
Comptroller
David M. Frankel
Finance Commissioner
Police Officer Patrick J. Lynch,
President,
Patrolmen's Benevolent Association
Police Officer John Puglissi
1st Vice President,
Patrolmen's Benevolent Association
Police Officer Mubarak Abdul-Jabbar,
2nd Vice President
Patrolmen's Benevolent Association
Police Officer John Giangrasso,
Chairman, Board of Trustees,
Patrolmen's Benevolent Association
Detective Michael J. Palladino,
President,
Detective's Endowment Association
Sergeant Edward Mullins,
President,
Sergeant's Benevolent Association
Lieutenant Thomas Sullivan,
President,
Lieutenant's Benevolent Association
Deputy Inspector Roy T. Richter,
President,
Captain's Endowment Association
New York City
36000 Active Members
43000 retired members
8 Police Officers and 4 members from the city on their board.
New Yorks Police Pension fund is 69% funded.
We have 12000 active members supporting 6000 retirees or 2 active officers for every retiree.
New York has 1.2 active officers for every retiree and their pension fund is funded 30% more than our pension fund. Why you ask? Because the police officers in New York control their pension board with 8 votes to the citys 4. Fuck you Rahm. Stay the fuck away from my money. Rostenkowski has already reduced my social security benefits by 70%. I'm done with paying for your voters and your corporate American friends jagoff. Hope you have dual citizenship so you can go back to the Gaza strip when you get chased from this country you fucking gyspy.
Yeah right, there's an oversimplified lie Go peddle your nonsense somewhere else corporate shill.
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Snappy comeback. You should have just said, "'cause".
Another guy bitter because some one has it better than you do. Maybe if you stopped feeling sorry for yourself and worked at something. Remember, envy is UGLY.
I already looked up the phone number and email of my state rep and senator. Will be calling their offices on Tuesday to tell them my concerns. If either one of these bastards vote for this bill my family and I will work for their opponents in the next election. Only way to kill a vampire is to pound a fucking wooden stake in their heart.
I agree. We should run all big businesses out of Illinois. And these greedy rich people too; growing their business, paying taxes; paying employees who pay taxes. Who needs them? THE BASTARDS!
10/09/2011 12:57:00 AM
the consumers, who purchase the goods and services, provided and produced by the employees of all types and sizes of businesses, are the ones paying the taxes, paying the employees who are paying the taxes and who are, not coincidentally, also consumers, not the 'big businesses' which you seem to worship as if they were persons of saintly character.
no employees capable of being consumers = no businesses, big or otherwise.
when you, as greedy big business, milk the cow, but fail to keep it healthy, the cow dies, and, thus, no more milk for you.
unless, of course, the cow kicks the shit filled head off of your shoulders.
Check out your recent proprety tax bill. It list the amount each taxing body pays into their pension funds from your payment. What does Chicago do with that money? Well they just throw an I. O.U. into the fund and spend the money on corrupt bullshit. This has been going on for years. Now we are going to suffer for it.
Just like when the villagers chased Frankenstein back to the castle we must now go to Springfield with torches and light up the state legislators. They have gotten away with murder for years. Time to put these miserable corrupt bastards out of their misery!
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