"Don't Shoot!"
David Kennedy thinks he knows how to stop gun violence in America’s cities, and he says, contrary to public debate and popular opinion, it's not that hard.
Kennedy, a criminologist at John Jay College of Criminal Justice, is being taken very seriously by the Chicago Police Department; they have been implementing his ideas about violence reduction, which appear in his new book, Don’t Shoot.
The CPD began implementing Kennedy’s Violence Reduction Strategy in two police districts; Chicago police officials expected to add a third district in the next few weeks.
WBEZ’s Robert Wildeboer recently caught up with Kennedy at Chicago’s police headquarters during a recent visit with officers and command staff to discuss how to bring down local homicide numbers.
He said the traditional answers to gun violence, such as improved schools, job programs and gun control, have not worked.
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posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
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Kennedy huh? Is his solution to go for nice long drives by the lake?
Because if it's not....it should be.
There's a story on 8 48 and an interview with him. I think he said 7,11 and 3.
John Jay College is filled with Harold Washington and Malcolm X College type educators/professors.
The absolutely scary part is that since the institution is located in NYC, it is considered premiere institution on criminal justice and law enforcement.
The article says NOTHING. Maybe some information about the undefined 'new approach' would be in order. (Or, maybe it's a secret?)
click on the link to listen to the audio... 011, 006, and probably 003.
It's basically the Weiss bullshit, "cut it out" meetings.
You'll throw up if you play the audio, or laugh your ass off!
How about "The Police Should Be Shooting Harder & More Often"
If you deal with subhumans who live a throw-away lifestyle...
If you deal with subhumans who openly boast about not fearing getting their eyes closed by The Police...
If you deal with subhumans who sing songs and do dances in their worship of death, decay and destruction...
Then you are obligated to do society a great good and accomodate those individuals who by their unlawful actions, feverishly choose and actively seek their own demise at the hands of lawful authority.
Another fucking liberal academic whose only answer to this bullshit on the streets is the introduction of even MORE bullshit to serve as a stymie & stumbling block for Policemen.
This idiot is TRYING to get Policemen killed just because Policemen have some semblance of rules to abide by... Shitheads DON'T!
Sell this to the shitheads first before aggravating Policemen.
We're full up to the ceiling with over-stocked moony-assed ideas.
Peddle that crazy shit elsewhere!
How about, "Stop Doing The Muthafuckin' Fool So The Police Won't Have Cause To Deaden Your Funky Ass!"
Liberal, yellow-pinky academia is the death of Policing.
Studies and surveys take on a life of their own when academia with the support of government, doesn't like or can't slant or skew the results.
The Traffic Stop Survey is one example of this...
"We're going to keep it going until we can finally prove that The Police racially profile so we can finally get DOJ to take you Coppers over!"
The blue-cards were supposed to be concluded what? Two or three years ago but the hidden hands didn't like the results so they kept it going...
Such Bullshit!
Sounds like the department had money left over from The Crystal Ball Unit that they needed to "use or lose".
Just when you think assets couldn't possibly be mismanaged or frivolously applied any worse by our 'elite' Think Tank at Fort Fellatio, they announce the continuation of some brainfart sold to a gaggle of 5-year wonders that haven't seen the inside of a beat car since their probation ended.
This abomination should be put out to pasteur along with CAPS, CeaseFire and Chicago's recent reincarnation of everybody's favorite policing strategy, the Broken Windows model (formerly known as Tact Team 101).
Professor Whatshisname obviously doesn't know or just doesn't care that the shit taught in the classroom seldom mimics what happens in the real world. But once again the asshole ringmasters running the CPD Circus will pay good money for yet another snake oil that'll be force-fed to the troops via Streaming Videos and yearly online tests, all in the never ending charade to justify their existences.
This place sucks more everyday.
Here's my answer: Concealed Carry!!!!
you want violence reduction?
PASS CONCEALED CARRY
EVEN THE ODDS
Googling this guy and his book, it looks like he's the inventor of the "tea and crumpets" meetings with the shitheads, like J-Fled was doing last year. You know, "don't shoot, or we'll tow your car". Ridiculous.
Jeez, how many cops over the years obtained degrees in criminal studies? All they had to do was ask..... Better than some goof that wrote a book with NO STREET EXPERIENCE
"Um....ok. How about more prisons? How about keeping these violent offenders off the streets for years and decades instead of months, weeks or even days?"
The U.S Penal System has the largest population of incarcerated inmates @ 2 million not counting those on Parole,Probation.
Feel any safer?
This guy is a complete idiot.
They wont voluntarily tell ya the Districts where this pseudo science has been implemented...Why? Cause its all Liberal Socialist bullshit that wont stand up to scrutiny & logic. If you can prove it wrong,the good professor will answer with double talk and go off on some tap dancing tangent to avoid answering the questions. His bullshit theories are not working in New York City. This is all about getting State and Federal grants.Just another way to scheme & scam.
We already know a sure-fire method to decrease crime – especially murder. Make guns easy to own so that the honest citizens can defend themselves.
Police officers are not at risk from guns in the hands of honest law abiding citizens, only the criminal element is.
However in this Bizarro World we find ourselves living in only ideas that run contrary to common sense and reason are giving a play. The inmates have taken over the asylum and if you speak out it Is considered hate speech. In Bizarro World the Bill of Rights means nothing.
Just another liberal sucking at the public teet again.
How much is the city paying this nimrod to consult?
The only thing the Ghetto ratz understand is violence. They must be laughing their arces off at this guy. How much is the city paying this con artist to implement this program? Reeks of McGruff's East Coast bullshit.
Here is a fucking simple idea Mr. Professor!
Enforce the "2nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution" you Liberal puke!
"Carry and Conceal Law" and the "Castle law for homeowners" are sorely needed and that will help stop alot of bullshit the criminals do!
Criminals will think twice before messing with an armed law abiding citizen, who can and should be able to protect themselves!
The police are "reactive" as in wait for that "911 call" to come in and then respond! Police can't protect no one except for connected Politicians i.e. Rahm, Madigan, Quinn, and other asshole politicians!
Too late for joe blow citizen left bleeding and robbed!
Get with the program Illinois! 49 other states with some form of "carry and conceal law" and "castle law" CANNOT be wrong!
Join the NRA!
Da Pelon
A scrawny, hippie wanna be, throw back from the 60's. You should see this guy. An absolute waste of time. This is the ventriloquist who put the famous (infamous) "knock it off" in to J-Fled's mouth, the guy that called the gang summit.
So what does he suggest? Choir lessons? Mandatory Zen meditation? Creative writing? Soothing massages? Chanting monk music blared from loudspeakers in the ghetto? What? I'd like to hear his ideas. And exactly how did they pick patrolmen to listen to his crap?
Anybody have any more info?
There's a story on 8 48 and an interview with him. I think he said 7,11 and 3.
11/29/2011 12:11:00 AM
What is 8 48? I'd like to hear it.
Why don't we drop this asshole off in the middle of 007 or 011 and let him peddle his theories door-to-door, instead of in the comfort of conference rooms?
There is a book coming out about how fucked up Compstat is in Jan or Feb 2012. A couple of professors in NY are calling bullshit on the whole process. At least one of the profs worked in NYPD for years--he might have even retired from it.
Google Eli Silverman and and John Eterno. See all the articles about how NY manipulated numbers to claim crime was going down--backed by evidence to prove it was all b.s. They wrote the book.
I'll pratice this douchebags model after he, his spouse and children make it unscathed through a year of living on the 5400 block of Westend or 8100 block of south Justine...their choice.
Until then, his theories should be dismissed as the ultra-liberal dog shit any working copper knows them to be. As others have suggested, this is imported East coast fuckery (a hoist of my favorite brew to BCP) meant to line the pockets of some wannabe that's sucked enough ass and/or contributed enough loot to the right politicians.
You can preeminently file this under "F" for "Fail".
How about...
Stop giving them welfare handouts.
Start taking responsibility for the 14 cockroaches you bear by 10 different daddies?
Stop pouring $ into the schools in their neighborhoods and start giving it to the schools where the students and parents actually care.
The U.S Penal System has the largest population of incarcerated inmates @ 2 million not counting those on Parole,Probation.
Feel any safer?
11/29/2011 01:59:00 AM
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Whose fault is it some of us won't behave? We have generations of people who think they can do as they please. Law abiding citizens have 0, 1 or 2 kids per family and they usually have 2 parents in the house. Now take the famed, most desired, single parent family, oh, how they are to be emulated, with children from 2 or 3 men and a woman leading the brood. It is the recipe for poverty. A boy needs a male role model, a father or he will most likely get his role model from the street corner thug.
Have you ever noticed that evil people have evil children. It's nature many times. You can remove the child to a better environment and many of them still become evil. I believe that some people are just rebelious at birth.
Ladies, you try to do a good job, but you shouldn't raise children without a husband. I don't care that there are no good men out there for you, if you'd stop letting these men use you, maybe they'd behave.
Quoting here "He said the traditional answers to gun violence, such as improved schools, job programs and gun control, have not worked." Gun control is a failure? Who would have thought it??!!
These pencilneck nimrods have no real world experience, just like the corrupt machine politicians who run this sorry assed state. Just make Illinois the last state to pass a CCW law and see if that works. What have we got to lose?
CPD- I am so sorry that you have to put up with bullshit like this. Your job is tough enough, but then you also have to put up with these liberal deep thinkers (who don't have a clue) telling you how to keep order.
What we need is to build more prisons and lock up those who can't (or won't) co-exist with decent people. I'll pay more taxes, if the increase is earmarked for a new prison. And the gutless wonders in Springfield should pass CCW so that when some civic minded citizen walks into a shitstorm, he has an equal means of self defense against an armed felon.
First of all, WBEZ is a commie station. Who listens to them? Liberals? They have such a double standard, no one should be considered a journalist on that channel (or NPR)
Second, where is this guy's credibility?
Maybe we should take some practices from Singapore and apply them to Chicago. Graffiti writers, people defacing buildings, cars, etc - 20 strokes with a bamboo cane in Daley Center.
Remember the American who was caught scratching a BMW in Singapore and he had to take 10 lashes? Bet he is a lot more careful now and would not deface someone else's property anymore.
15 lashes, 30 lashes, 45 lashes penalties - would save a LOT of money on jails and court time, but then what would we do about all the facilities and patronage jobs that we have to support?
We could cut half the judges, half the court facilities, half the jails, guards - hey, this sounds better and better.
And to all those saying this type of punishment is "not for a civilized society or inhumane" - All the current deterrents are working real well, aren't they? They are a colossal waste of money.
Anonymous said...
Jeez, how many cops over the years obtained degrees in criminal studies? All they had to do was ask..... Better than some goof that wrote a book with NO STREET EXPERIENCE
11/29/2011 01:59:00 AM
Absolutely insightful as well as an excellent point
They are trying this nonscenec in 006....too bad nothing has changed and the shootings continue.....watch out GD's, now your on double secret probation !!!
This will never work in Chicago._The gangs are so entrenched in their communities that nothing short of mass killings will eradicate them entirely. Years ago the source of illegal payoffs to politicians, some reverends, and yes, some police offices (Vice cops especially) in the ghetto was gambling and policy (the numbers game). When the state lottery arrived the policy rackett took a powder. Dope then became the main money maker in the ghetto. And the gangs mastered the selling, distribution and enforcement that came with the dope business. No fucking professor from the East is ever going to understand this.
A little ghetto birdie told me once that Cease Fire is the the G.D.'s. Kinda like their failed political action committee of a few decades back.
End ILLEGAL immigration and the free pass sanctuary city crap. and there will be less offenders and victim's to deal with also. Oh and we might save money in a city that is going or gone broke.
In Kennedy's resume, his education is limited to a BA degree? How can he be a professor with a terminal degree? Where is his PHD or even a EDD? Where are the standards for the John Jay College?
http://johnjay.jjay.cuny.edu/profiles/pdfs/Kennedy_David%20M..pdf
I can see that solutions like Kennedy's don't seem to work, but neither does incarceration. Someone else said it, but the USA has the highest per capita incarceration rate in the world, at least among industrialized, non third world nations. I'm retired now after 26 years and I'm doing more reading. Concealed carry? I don't know if that's a solution either, but it does make the carrier feel safer. It's the law in 49 states but crime still happens. Part of the problem with incarceration is that the drug war has filled the jails with users, people who probably need treatment more than jail. They take up room which could be used to keep violent offenders locked up longer. If you want more jails, they cost money, and can we afford it? Illinois is already one of the highest taxed states. I don't know the solution, but putting more people in jail justt does not work.
Be safe out there!
Records show the younger Castro has arrests dating back from 2004 to 2011......Well duh he is 24 years old. Hey Trib dig a lil deeper Im sure he was arrested as a juvenile as well.
where does egghead kennedy live-- probably not in 003, 006, or 007--- my opinion garnered after 20 plus years of le experience would be to uphold truth in sentencing--- look at the most recent sensational criminal cases, offenders who were out of jail early on parole or probation--- the government response is we can't afford to keep all these people incarcerated--- well, it is a lot cheaper to keep them locked up versus the cost of trying them for a crime they commit after getting out early--- keep these assholes in jail for their entire sentence....
John Jay College is filled with Harold Washington and Malcolm X College type educators/professors.
The absolutely scary part is that since the institution is located in NYC, it is considered premiere institution on criminal justice and law enforcement.
11/29/2011 12:15:00 AM
This genius should read his book while walking on a side street on the west side on a 90 degree summer night.
I'm sure he could read it to Boo Boo as his clothes are being stripped off him and he's running down the street naked screaming MOMMY MOMMY!
REMEMBER, YOU'RE NOT SMARTER THAN ME, YOU ONLY WENT TO SCHOOL LONGER THAN ME.
The U.S Penal System has the largest population of incarcerated inmates @ 2 million not counting those on Parole,Probation.
Feel any safer?
11/29/2011 01:59:00 AM
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No, but I'd feel much safer if there was a truth in sentencing across the board. When someone is sentenced to 20 yrs, make them serve 20 yrs! No time off for good behavior B.S. How about if you behave, you'll get out in 20. Act like an asshole and we tack on more time! Look at the recidivism rate. Most inmates are habitual, meaning they will NEVER contribute to society and will only continue to kill and terrorize. Keep them locked up!!
More quasi-intellectual bullshit that won't work.
Until the savages can hold jobs and act like regular folk, the cycle of violence will continue.
How about the death penalty? End these long stays on death row. How about adding the three strikes you're out to the death penalty? Most of these career criminals are just that, "career criminals". How about killing them off too?
John Jay College is filled with Harold Washington and Malcolm X College type educators/professors.
The absolutely scary part is that since the institution is located in NYC, it is considered premiere institution on criminal justice and law enforcement.
11/29/2011 12:15:00 AM
You must be a Northwestern grad, we haven't forgotten the scandal with your name all on it!
more liberal bullshit; let's all get together, hold hands, and sing kumbiya...
Let's. Let's take everyone to the lake, boat rides, cotton candy, a dandy of a time. Let's give everyone a iPhone iPad iPod.
It's about time we, each and everyone of us gives someone a hug.
Hopium. I got mine.
z-z-z-z-z-z-z
Do any of you actually know any of his ideas? How can you comment on something you know nothing about?
He's not all right, but has some good ideas. First, he says all of this social improvement, like parks and schools and activities for kids has absolutely no impact on crime.
He says all violent crime is committed by a small percentage of men in black neighborhoods. Gangs have allowed these super- predators to team up and they can then take over whole neighborhoods even though they are vastly outnumbered.
In response, police departments make a big mistake. They send out cops to enforce minor traffic laws and make petty arrests of everyone in the area in the hope that the net will scoop up a few predators, keeping crime down for the next 24 hours. This alienates the entire community who think that they are the target, instead of the predators lurking among them. This is completely against the McCarthy-style bullshit police tactics that have ruined the prestige that this job once had. Police are meant to help people and arrest predators, not to jam up drivers with tickets or bring every drug addict to jail.
So, he proposes warning gangs and using targeted enforcement for only those gangs who engage in violence. He goes off the deep end with the cease fire bullshit, but he is on target when he says police should focus only on those gangs who are engaged in violence and leave everyone else alone.
He basically says you can't police the ghetto like you police Naperville. When there is persistence violence, then police should only target violent offenders. Targeting everyone is counterproductive.
People on this blog should read more and write less.
The Truth Is: There Is No Way To Stop The Violence. Not The Government, Not The Police. Certainly Not Some College Professor With Some Theory On How To Reach Out To The Masses.
"We Are In Deep Trouble, and It's Too Late To Be Afraid"
Lock the bastards up and throw away the key.
http://www.npr.org/2011/11/01/141803766/interrupting-violence-with-the-message-dont-shoot
More NPR on Kennedy. But it's actually hilarious. He schedules meetings with cops, drug dealers, and THEIR MOTHERS! He claims it works. I dunno. But maybe. Can't hurt to try it - oughta be good for a couple laughs, anyway.
A criminologist? I think thats someone who went to Malcom X, Calumet College, Chicago State etc. because he didn't have the grades to get into Loyola, NU, Crieghton, etc and earn a business, law, or medical degree. Another New York funking goof.
As quoted earlier at 03:57, the only thing these subhuman ghetto superstars understand or react to is violence. Whether it be violence dished out by the police, they mama or grandmama etc. What these shitbirds need is a swift order of street justice. For example, If you refuse to leave the corner ,you get your ass beat and spend the night in jail. I guarentee the next time the police give these fools a lawful order they will listen to it and obey it. The answer to keeping this city safe is old school beatdowns followed up with a cb number.
It's called "Operation Stern Warning". They get all the old time gang bangers who are on parole and make them show up to "meet with their parole officer" after that very brief meeting they are shown crime scene photos, listen to victims family's and given their stern warning that if THEIR gang does the next shooting THEIR gang will be targeted by CPD. Problem is all these old timers have no say anymore. The gangs are so splintered that each corner is a separate "set" with a different 15 year old "leader" non of which could spell Hoover or Fort much less take an order from them.
When they did it in 011 they conveniently DIDN'T target the first gang that did the shooting they chose the second gang. Why?? Well because OCD already had a conspiracy case a year in the making against the second gang. So conveniently they wrapped up that case and did the roundup (even though they weren't done) and they counted that as desimating the gang.
Speaking of that...where are we with the dismantling of the Maniac Latin Disciples??????
This clown can't even replace the Commander of 007 but he wants us to follow his lead?
-former 153
"Um....ok. How about more prisons? How about keeping these violent offenders off the streets for years and decades instead of months, weeks or even days?"
The U.S Penal System has the largest population of incarcerated inmates @ 2 million not counting those on Parole,Probation.
Feel any safer?
11/29/2011 01:59:00 AM
Thanks for helping him out with logic. More prisons means more employees which apparently the state can't afford anyway. They couldn't afford to operate the last prison they actually built. Besides, as these kids keep catching felonies they will be back in custody b/c they won't have a standing chance of making it outside IDOC. That aint funny to me b/c they'll be right back in the same station getting processed, back at 26th street, and back downstate...and we pay for it with taxes and a loss of quality og life. Joke's on us.
How about decriminalizing marijuana and taking a serious look at a failed 40 year experiment called the war on drugs.
Hey, do I think this will work? No.
Am I willing to see it tried in a couple of districts. Yes.
It may actually work with some of the better 'managed' gangs. To paraphrase Dick Nixon "get them by the balls and their hearts and minds follow".
If it doesn't I have an alternative solution involving the Thornton Quarry and some heavy equipment.
Perhaps using my solution in concert with the professor's solution will result in better results.
The professor can claim all the credit. When your feet are as big as mine are you can afford to be modest.
Working NYC PD cops used to refer to it as "John Jay college of criminal assholes!" All fucking libs teach there. Bill Ayers would be given tenure if he taught there.
Anonymous said...
"Um....ok. How about more prisons? How about keeping these violent offenders off the streets for years and decades instead of months, weeks or even days?"
The U.S Penal System has the largest population of incarcerated inmates @ 2 million not counting those on Parole,Probation.
Feel any safer?
11/29/2011 01:59:00 AM
No, smartass, because they eventually decide they HAVE to parole murderers, violent felons and rapists. They are revolving doors, not prisons....
There will aways be a criminal element in society. When they would hang pickpockets in England years ago, the pickpockets would work the crowds at the hangings of their confederates. There is NOTHING you can do to stop crime and all these b.s theories have been around since the dawn of time. One of the few things that can help is for the average citizen to be armed and ready. OR -- (hold on, this will not be pleasant for most liberals to hear) for society to hold people responsible and accountable for their actions. Pick either one....this is NOT oversimplification but common sense, unfortunately something that over-educated "experts" often lack.
Here's a concept. Bring a gun illegally to school, get thrown in Jail for a year and expelled from school. Fuck up again, go to prison.
I just wasted 18 minutes of my life listening to this idiot Kennedy. What a joke. And it'll be very sad if our leaders of CPD take this guy seriously. "Let's tell the gangs Don't Shoot and then they will stop." Great Job Kennedy.
Um....ok. How about more prisons? How about keeping these violent offenders off the streets for years and decades instead of months, weeks or even days?
Why not move to eliminate all parks or open and abandoned lands and make them prisons, the land on the closed police districts could be prisons? Let ye who wants more prisons or rehab clinics offer the lands around their homes for those things .
The " knock it off" theory was invented by Steven Bochco back in 1981. I think the professor is smoking weed and watching DVDs of Hill Street Blues.
LOL! What a nut job! Yes, dialogue with some of the most dysfunctional, "I don't give a rat's ass who I shoot", criminal gang bangers out there. Oh, I am sure that all it takes is a little bit of conversation. Those pricks who gang-bang don't give a fuck about the outcome of a summit between them and society. They will use those summits to their advantage.
The mob did the same thing. Let's change our outward imagine so that we can keep on doing the same old shit we always did, except people will think we are better.
(As far as shootings go, the modern gang members have killed and shot more people in the last 40 years then the whole of organized crime in the last 100 years.)
Yes, converse with these people, you naive sheep. A handful of successes do not show the overall futility of Kennedy's approach.
But again, what do I know. I am just an old sheepdog. And you know what? The wolves are still afraid of sheepdogs, even if they are old.
Sort of reminds me of similar BS we got from the Crystal Ball Unit. A lot of good that did. I don't know what this "new approach" entails, but I'm willing to wait and see before passing judgement. In my humble opinion the tried and true method is to lock folks up, take them to trial and put these idiots in the shithouse - no good time, no parole. Something like the Feds require - a minimum of 80% of your sentence before release.
Don't Shoot! I want to grow up!
just like disciplining your children--they must be fearful of repercussions for their action--if there are no consequences they will continue to misbehave--common sense 101---that's why the old policing system worked best--people respected police because of it---sure the bad guy feared the police, as well he should. The good guys they were always grateful to have us around.
When you have no future and nothing left to lose, laws don't matter it's survival of the fittest.
It is called the Violence Reduction Strategy(VRS) in Chicago. Brian Murphy and Mike Masters were the driving forces to bring it to Chicago. It is paid for by a $500,000 grant from MacArthur Foundation and the current Executive Director in Chicago is Chris Mallette. He was the director of the JISC a few years ago.
another b.s. seminar we will have to sit through at h.q. to please this moron that we will try to be the talk it out police.Fill up that room at h.q. to show we give a shit.We need to cut out welfare to people who abuse it and let them go to work,instead of us paying their way and next take responsibility of your kids instead of letting out at all times of the nite like cats and dogs.
Hey.
You the one in the pee-stinking gangway where they busted out all the light bulbs and the animal you're chasing just came up against a locked grating and is turning on you all bug-eyed, something coming out of his pocket?
What the fuck you mean, "Don't Shoot?"
"You no playa da game, you no makea da rules."
Go from us now, go and smoke your pipe in the Common Room and mull over your various theories where they can do no harm.
Kennedy's strategy has had success in other cities with high levels of gun violence.
What makes you so sure it wouldn't work here?
All nonsense. Just Hillard and Cline had that guy Wexler ( or something similar)-- all feel good nonsense. The police cannot solve society's problems. Police enforce the laws. They cannot cure the 80% illegitimate birth rate in the ghetto. Police cannot solve these social problems and should not be asked to.
@ 10:29 AM...
Have you been paying close attention to what's been going on in this city and with this Department over the last twenty years or so?
Your post indicates that you're busy trying to look at anything & everything but the right thing.
Reality is such an inconvenient thing for people (especially academics) pushing the liberal yellow-pinky agenda but we'll try to cut it into small pieces so even you won't choke on it...
CPD's ability to target and hunt down the filthy few super-predators and their associates has been intentionally compromised and intentionally walked to a standstill by these predators wielding much money to influence clergy and politicians at the ward level who in turn control huge blocs of voters which in turn exerts more than some undue influence on City Hall which DEFINITELY IMPACTS our ability to bounty hunt and Police these dogs effectively.
Learn something about how funky shit REALLY IS in Chicago before you oscillate your dentures about what people on this blog should and should not do.
The common denominator in CPD's overall lack of success in putting a good sized dent in the mayhem on the streets is City Hall running interference to protect certain members of certain constituencies from the righteous clutches of The Police.
Try asking around about certain alderfools and clergy popped on intercepts conspiring with the street gang narco terrorists.
Ask around about a certain CAPS Director & avowed Police Hater who was this/close to the former mayor. It was an open secret as to how big of an enemy within he was.
Et Cetera... Ad Nauseam et Ad Infinitum...
The Policeman would love to see the whole lot of these dirty dogs, their supporters and enablers loaded onto box cars and sent to the great granite quarries out West and given a hammer with no handle and told their sentence is to reduce a house sized boulder to landscaping chips.
Sell your peculiar brand of crazy elsewhere... We're stocked to the ceiling with you divorced from reality academics peddling that stuff.
P.S.
Just to illustrate how bizarre things have become. The mayor, superintendent, politicians and clergy are too damn smart to ask the very people who deal with this madness on a daily basis for many years at a time, how to begin addressing these problems.
Why?
Because the mayor, superintendent, politicians and clegy aren't interested in hearing the truth.
Therefore... Much more taxpayer treasure will be pissed away.
Many more lives will be lost.
...And this city will recline in it's grave, rot and become even more the hell on earth than it already is.
That's OUR reality... How's yours?
Thanks for playing. No... You don't get your ball back but if you run home really hard and fast, your sippy cup of STFU will be warmed and ready.
The usual cabal of devils dance and rejoice...
Viva Hate.
Review of this guy's book in The Wall Street Journal today written by a former NYPD and current California copper.
"All nonsense. Just Hillard and Cline had that guy Wexler ( or something similar)-- all feel good nonsense. The police cannot solve society's problems. Police enforce the laws. They cannot cure the 80% illegitimate birth rate in the ghetto. Police cannot solve these social problems and should not be asked to."
agreed......with dope coming into the U.S. by the ton load, illegal immigration rampant, (Chicago) gang membership between 50K-150K...reasonable estimates have 270-300 million firearms in America......why are they wasting their time?
If you want more jails, they cost money, and can we afford it? Illinois is already one of the highest taxed states. I don't know the solution, but putting more people in jail justt does not work.
Be safe out there!
11/29/2011 08:24:00 AM
You are so correct. The answer is killing them. Two, three, ten pages of arrests? The money spent on these predators in society is astounding. Kill them and be done with it. Lots of money for schools and parks then.
The gangs are so entrenched in their communities that nothing short of mass killings will eradicate them entirely.
11/29/2011 08:01:00 AM
so, you've read my thesis, i see.....
Chalkie
Make the scumbags work while in jail. The city looks like shit,and a chain gang can clean and learn a trade in the process. For the honor roll ones who commit murder, have a death penalty. Nothing as expensive as lethal injection, just a reusable rope.
The people he is trying to deal with are like Klingons (Star Trek). They regard pacifism as weakness and hate those that espouse that view.
I believe 003 is one of the districts ... 5-15 block violent zones 2 and 3 cars held down on it. We have about 4 violent zone. And u need face to face relief if u go in on something. Now problem with that is u have the cars that are not assigned running like crazy in a back log all day in november . Hard working ppl have to wait on average at least 1-2 hours for police services its crazy. And yes they check to make sure gps and p cade that somebody is always in that zone. Has violence still occured yes the response time is just a lil quicker.
Kennedy's strategy has had success in other cities with high levels of gun violence.
What makes you so sure it wouldn't work here?
11/29/2011 07:17:00 PM
Thank you for posting Mr. Kennedy. You CLAIM success. There is no proof of the success you take credit for. That's the rub with statistics.
You are already claiming a victory with a 40% decrease in homicides in 011. The Academic world may buy into all the statistics, but in the working (real) world, we see it as one little piece. Not the whole pie. We regard people who throw around statistics like that as disingenuous charlatans.
Homicides down in 011? How many people moved out? How many projects down? How have the gangs managed their drug trade to lessen their conflicts? No idea? But YOU claim victory.
Grain of salt, Chicago. Grain of salt.
Kennedy's strategy has had success in other cities with high levels of gun violence.
What makes you so sure it wouldn't work here?
11/29/2011 07:17:00 PM
1. According to who?
2. Measured how?
3. Documented by what?
4. Which cities?
5. Define gun violence.
6. Not sure it wouldn't work here, but no one seems to know what 'it' really is.
@ 11/30/2011 10:10:00 AM
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12:10:00 PM...
Much respect to these posters.
The yellow-pinky academics have painted themselves into a corner trying to sell crazy to Policemen.
Man... You Coppers are something else in the best way possible.
Keep the righteous foot in that ass just long enough for the sun to shine and burn away all the nonsense, bullshit, slippery syntax, wordplay & rubbing wandering constants against bullshit variables to drive a slanted-assed agenda.
This calls for a nice pour of the cask strength bourbon...
A clink of the rock glass to The Police.
*clink*
Hell Yeah...
He basically says you can't police the ghetto like you police Naperville. When there is persistence violence, then police should only target violent offenders. Targeting everyone is counterproductive.
People on this blog should read more and write less.
11/29/2011 10:29:00 AM
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And how are YOU an expert?
Ever ride through these "neighborhoods" and see how cooperative the "average folk" are?
"I'se din seen nuttin."
There is no pacified approach when you don't have cooperation of the average citizen.
--Not a LEO, JAFO
Box Chevy Phantom said...
@ 11/30/2011 10:10:00 AM
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12:10:00 PM...
Much respect to these posters.
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1210 here. Thanks, Box.
Visiting Vegas this week. You have a few fans here.
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