Businesses On Their Own
Stores on State Street and North Michigan Avenue should have security outside their doors during the NATO and G-8 Summits — and downtown companies should offer their employees the option of working from home — to avoid conflicts with thousands of protesters, a business leader warned Tuesday.
Jerry Roper, president of the Chicagoland Chamber of Commerce, said businesses need to plan ahead and prepare for the worst in the event the demonstrations turn ugly during the summits May 19-21.
And Andrew Breitbart's Big Government website links the Occupy people to this summer's events:
- While many laughed off Occupy Wall Street and predicted it would not last, the puppet masters have made their next move. We now have the evidence to prove that the early phase of the movement was nothing more than a staging period to build an infrastructure that will culminate in a massive occupation of Chicago this May. The strategy to descend upon Chicago’s NATO/G8 Summits has now been made loud and clear, as evidenced from a recent call to arms for revolutionaries around the world to flock to Chicago in May, as well as details regarding Occupy Chicago’s internal communications
The bad vibes just keep growing.
Labels: events
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
82 Comments:
OT-is an ET suing the FOP and Pres Shields? What a joke.
They should have boarded up and left years ago. Its an evil city. It thrives on money and greed.
Did you see the next day, Roeper changed his tune about the severity of what could happen with the protests? You think 9.5 wasn't tearing him a new asshole after those comments?
Hell, only three days?
Taste of Chicago and the Fourth of July and the Air Show and stuff like that go on every summer, draws about a million people towards the lake and away from me. That's fine.
This'll probably play out the same; sit home and turn my TV off and it won't even exist.
>snore<
none in 005 either.
"Nothing to see here sheeple ... move along"
Rahm and McCarthy
this is going to be good....by good i mean shit.
What about the "Cubs games" during that week?
Both the Phillies and the Crosstown Classic with the White Sox on a weekend no less are during the G-8 week!
I guess approximately 50,000 people [fans and workers] in the area of Wrigleyville, have to fend for themselves, too! Thanks Rahm!
Fucking Morons at City Hall and HQ!
They can hire PMC security, of course I'm a vet so I want my brothers to get the work.
Private Military Contractors.
man-oh-man...smh
Dear Rahm,
your curfew isn't working.
Dear Mac,
has your officers reached out and learned their communities yet?
Doesn't look like your plans are working to me.
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At least 12 people were wounded by gunfire on the city’s South and West sides since about 8 p.m. Friday night, according to Chicago police.
A 10-year-old girl was shot in the leg and suffered a graze wound after a bullet went through her window on the 1100 block of North Keystone Avenue, police said....
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The E.R's are getting more crowded then the morgue ya know?
If I have tickets to the CUBS game can I be excused???
Fuck the businesses.
They wanted this little cocksucker as mayor, not us.
Protect eachother and do not trick bag yourselves for an establishment that hates you.
Why not have the Bud Billiken Parade in May too Mayor Fuckhead?
The Morgan Stanley/ Chicago Parking Meter people are WAY pissed......
Seems the OWS types and anarchist scouts know how vulnerable the solar panels on top of the boxes are.
Where is Laurence Msall and the Civic Federation?
Why aren't they complaining about this expensive disaster that their friend Emanuel is bringing to town?
OT-is an ET suing the FOP and Pres Shields? What a joke.
1/28/2012 12:08:00 AM
For what?
Roeper is a cop hating Liberal from way back. Remember he spends much of his time in Hollywood dealing with Rahm's brother out there. I remember, years ago when a white family was brutally beaten almost in front of the 009th Dist by a violent man, who was motivated by hate for white people. The offender was black and he beat the dad to death, and brain damaged the daughter. Her boyfriend was also struck but ran away. Roeper went out of his way to make this incident NOT APPEAR to be a hate crime. In other instances he has shown his dissdain for police and love for the impoverished. Roe is pro-police, but putting Roeper on that show was a big mistake,
Saul Alinsky is the godfather to these rablerousers.
http://tinyurl.com/88wo3na
Read his 13 rules here
http://tinyurl.com/yg2whz2
President Shields is not going to last long, he is to insecure and worried about pity stuff that does not apply to his status as FOP president. He is self centered and self promoting. His ego has become so huge that it is shocking to some of his closest people at FOP even though none of them would say anything. Some of his team members at FOP are becoming more and more divided over there at the FOP Hall and it is going to cost Mikey in the next election. Watch someone he brought over to run against him.
Hell, only three days?
Taste of Chicago and the Fourth of July and the Air Show and stuff like that go on every summer, draws about a million people towards the lake and away from me. That's fine.
This'll probably play out the same; sit home and turn my TV off and it won't even exist.
>snore<
1/28/2012 12:42:00 AM
More spin-doctoring. The real dates are as follows:
19-20 May - G8
15-22 May - Nato
The SIMULTANEOUS dates are the three-day weekend, but the whole thing goes on much longer than that weekend (a full week).
Also, most delegates and their entourages spend more time than that, visiting, touring and conducting other business. This translates to the protestors spending more time here, too. Setting up, planning, entrenching, well, they all take a few days of prep work beforehand.
Buckle in. And, don't buy the three-day hype. WAY more than three, folks.
Their office is at 500 w. Cermack. make sure you tell the homeless from the shelters they have food, women and reefer there and welcome everyone.
Is it my imagination or has the Occupy crowd been posting on here with a lot more frequency lately? In almost every thread there's a post or two regarding "greed" or rampant capitalism.
Be careful what you say here folks.
Anonymous said...
What about the "Cubs games" during that week?
Both the Phillies and the Crosstown Classic with the White Sox on a weekend no less are during the G-8 week!
I guess approximately 50,000 people [fans and workers] in the area of Wrigleyville, have to fend for themselves, too! Thanks Rahm!
Fucking Morons at City Hall and HQ!
1/28/2012 04:32:00 AM
Anyone dumb enough to attend a cubs game does not deserve protection. How many years is it for the cubs? 105 years? Maybe this is the year!
Once Roper got the "Rahm Ream" he rewrote his report.
Anonymous said...
The key words in the article are "may" lead to permanent employment, blah, blah, blah. In other words, when it's over so are you.
In the meantime what if some of these people get hurt? Who pays for their treatment when they have no benefits, i.e., medical, etc.
Maybe not such a good idea, but if one does not have a job it is probably very temptimg.
1/26/2012 08:20:00 AM
The big word you left out is: LEGALLY!
That’s right, Legally. Who’s going to cover the Vet that fucks up one of these stinky hippy protesters? The Vet knocks the ever lovin’ shit out of the protester, do you think that The Gap is going to cover that kids ass when it comes to court? The Apple Store is going to pay for the Lawyer for the former Marine who tosses the anaconda on an anarchist and chokes the shit out of him? F-U-C-K N-O! That Vet will be hung out to dry. And the way this county is, Anita “Beady Eyes” Alverez will hit them with Agg Batt charges.
One guy on here asked “Will they be armed”? Oh, you better hope not! You can’t go shooting into a crowd of UN ARMED people! This is Chicago, kid. The Politicians don’t want you to win. Its all a write-off for them. The Government is picking up the tab; Chicago is going to bill the hell out of Uncle Sam. After all, who is signing the check?
(Hint, He’s black, he’s from the South Side, he now lives in a big white house.)
1/27/2012 12:57:00 AM
let it burn!!!!!!!!
Hmm.Arsons & looting by the Anarchists.1000 IOD Police Officers. Lawsuits against the CPD for protecting Chicago. It is win-win for Rahm. A big Federal check to pay for damages.Balance the City of Chicago budget for all of Daley's thievery. Get rid of the injured Coppers.Payoff to lawyers on both sides...
Hell, only three days?
Taste of Chicago and the Fourth of July and the Air Show and stuff like that go on every summer, draws about a million people towards the lake and away from me. That's fine.
This'll probably play out the same; sit home and turn my TV off and it won't even exist.
>snore<
1. You are a idiot and I hope you are not the police and if you are I hope you don't work the street.
2. Protesters will start to arrive late April early May to set up, dig in and get the lay of the land. There is only so much you can gain by looking at videos of the city. Half to 3/4 of the protesters will be professionals. Thats right PROFESSIONAL. From around the world. Plan for 50 to 100,000 people minimum. Do the math.
3. The City better give the protesters a area to protest in and a route to march which is the only area they can LAWFULLY GATHER in and march. Keep the time frame window wide and open, example 10am 10pm. Work the logistics out, if not then Chicago will be torn apart. Can you think of riots except not in the ghetto ala LA Both times.
4. If you must give them grant park to hold everyone and if you do; and you should; then you have outside sworn law enforcement agencies country wide supplement CPD and deploy them on the routes the protesters MUST take and any and everywhere else they may be needed. They are the police. If the protesters deviate from the route then arrest them. Keep it simple. Keep order. No Breech of the peace while hiding behind first amendment rights.
5. Im for first amendment rights except when they infringe on others first amendments rights and if your first amendment rights infringe, depress/suppresses others thats when "YOU GET ARRESTED."
5. Expect chaos and be ready to deal with it. Have first aid triage area(s) set up for the first responders along with relief areas and ready stations for a rapid deployment strike force whose job is to clear space. If goes without saying that there will be minimum 2 staging areas for mass arrests and a convoy to move them out to a large lockup.
Its going to be rough and the thinking and planning of it should reflect that and if doesnt get out of hand then we dodged the bullet. Plan for it to get out of hand and get outside agencies in here to help.
6. Everyone have a contingency plan for on and off the job during this time. Stay safe.
This is going to be ugly.
For the most part, the American protestors don't have the stomach for violence and really would rather not be on the wrong end of a nightstick.
Those Europeans protestors, however...no respect or fear of the police and they thrive on violence and burning shit!
Just remember, no OC. Wouldn't want to make anyone uncomfortable as the economic engine of the city burns down...
Add to mix all the publicity about how short-handed the police department is and this sounds like this is going to be one heck of a party.
the protesters are salivating for May. . . .
But the millions coming for the Air and Water show and fireworks, dont come with the intention of damaging property and fighting with police so they can sue. You dont get it. Stay at home.
Whats the Real Reason We Got the G8 Summit? Pritzker and all the Major Political Contributers Who own the Hotels wanted it and gave Obama and Rham a Very Big Envelope.
Should have the fire department at both airports have a couple of fire engines with spray foam on standby. The water cannons would help too.
Breitbart is an idiot.
Rahmbo is an idiot for agreeing to have these conferences in Chicago.
The potential downside is bigger than the potential upside.
I'm not worried about the OWS types. They're about as dangerous as the antiwar protesters in 2003. If the exempts don't herd them on to Lake Shore Drive and then detain/arrest them for being on Lake Shore Drive they will be little more than an annoyance. Of course maybe one of them will try to hold a press conference without Rahmbo's permission and then all hell may break lose.
What we need to worry about is the few hundred professional anarchists who will show up. Those idiots follow these types of conferences around the world and damage property at every one.
They need to be dealt with like the Europeans dealt with soccer hooligans who traveled around for games and then rioted. Investigated, followed, and barred from traveling during the games.
The ones that do make it here need to be immediately grabbed and thumped appropriately. That means thousands of riot trained cops or National Guardsman from throughout the country young enough, tough enough and fast enough to go toe to toe with the few hundred assholes.
They throw a brick through a window they get grabbed. They try to throw a molotov cocktail they get the Blucher treatment.
See this at 5:13.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oLflPilcMc&feature=related
Anarchism and nihilism largely come out of middle European philosophies of the 19th century so let a German General guide us in how to deal with them.
with the business people hiring troops as the joker would say "delicious batman" lets hope that the troops if threatened do what they were trained to do with the enemy. game on!
THE GREAT CHICAGO FIRE #2.... this city is gonna burn
BUY MORE AMMO!
Im thinkin' and praying 9.5 and McJersey self destruct in May. Maybe the city needs some renovation. Going to be a lot of pissed off people in that North Michigan Ave. Businessmen's Assoc. and The State St. council.
A class of 50 might start soon...not to worry!
Security for business in the soon to be Combat-Zone of downtown Chicago should be hired from private Security Firms,via FOP # 7, not use the active on-duty CPD, who will be undermanned, and on 12+ hour days anyway depending on circumstances. There are plenty of Cops from the burbs, and retired CPD Cops, who would be able to work these Security jobs and appreciate a few extra bucks temporarily. FOP should be doing something to see that dues paying CPD Lodge members, both Active AND Retired, get first crack at any of this, then suburban FOP members, etc. Crook County Cops and Troopers could continue to man the Jails and be Traffic Nazis...
Anonymous said...
Roeper is a cop hating Liberal from way back. Remember he spends much of his time in Hollywood dealing with Rahm's brother out there. I remember, years ago when a white family was brutally beaten almost in front of the 009th Dist by a violent man, who was motivated by hate for white people. The offender was black and he beat the dad to death, and brain damaged the daughter. Her boyfriend was also struck but ran away. Roeper went out of his way to make this incident NOT APPEAR to be a hate crime. In other instances he has shown his dissdain for police and love for the impoverished. Roe is pro-police, but putting Roeper on that show was a big mistake,
1/28/2012 08:10:00 AM
Roeper and Roe CONN are two big commie assholes with a crap radio show during the mid afternoon hours without much competition, and therefore can survive the lousey ratings they get. However, Gary Meier is on WGN 720 am about the same time, and is a pretty classy guy, all grown up from the Steve Dahl days, and has a quite good talk show, and is very supportive of the Police. Give him a listen, and help in dumping Roe & Roeper, the commies,and Cop-Bashers, out of Chicago Radio.
In-case anyone's forgotten, here's an example of another "world class city" and how things can turn.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_England_riots
Anonymous said...
The Morgan Stanley/ Chicago Parking Meter people are WAY pissed......
Seems the OWS types and anarchist scouts know how vulnerable the solar panels on top of the boxes are.
$$$$$$$$$$
Ok this brings up a great point. Those meters screwed our city. They were brought to us by the evil 1%'er Banksters of Morgan Stanley.
If you read enough of #OWS, you learn that they spawned from Adbusters. Adbusters gets money from George Soros, an evil 0.1%'er (yes, I just coined that term!). Rahm Emanuel (a 1%'er too) loves Soros so much he praised him in open Congress.
So if those LAZ meters are not destroyed, I would assume the "protesters" were under orders.
cost Mikey in the next election. Watch someone he brought over to run against him.
Ya, Ram will bring someone over. Great. will you be happy then and stop crying on the blog, Loser?
Roeper went out of his way to make this incident NOT APPEAR to be a hate crime. In other instances he has shown his dissdain for police and love for the impoverished. Roe is pro-police, but putting Roeper on that show was a big mistake,
He has his orders. media sluts they are
Please, DO NOT get yourselves injured, nor put yourselves in a position to be sued, because there won't be any more I.O.D.'s and we all know they won't back us (they will probably help someone f*%k us)in any legal proceedings. Ah, the liberal way. But I'd bet Mark W. (of IAD fame) heads for the DMZ.
Today Sat Jan 28th, occupy Oakland has 2,000 protesters trying to take over city buildings.
Now McCarthy says he expects only 10,000 protesters who will be causing trouble.
Only 8,000 more than Oakland California.
Yeah, no worries.
Where does the Mayor and the police department think they are going to keep the hundreds/thousands of protesters they plan on arresting?
Soldier Field?
How about turning Michael Reese hospital into a prison camp? The NYPD locked up protesters in garages during 2004 Republican convention held in New York.
"Hell, only three days?
"Taste of Chicago and the Fourth of July and the Air Show and stuff like that go on every summer, draws about a million people towards the lake and away from me. That's fine.
"This'll probably play out the same; sit home and turn my TV off and it won't even exist.
">snore<"
"1. You are a idiot and I hope you are not the police and if you are I hope you don't work the street."
Naw. I'm just being disrespectful towards the rabble. I know it could be a real mess.
"2. Protesters will start to arrive late April early May to set up, dig in and get the lay of the land. There is only so much you can gain by looking at videos of the city. Half to 3/4 of the protesters will be professionals. Thats right PROFESSIONAL. From around the world. Plan for 50 to 100,000 people minimum. Do the math."
Mmm. Professionals are paid, huh?
City'll provide 'em a spot if it wants -- how about do free speech from USS South Works Site?
If not, board up all the businesses, send all the workers home safe, let the crazies into Grant Park and then raise all the bridges, put gratings over the subway exits, and let the diplomats plot how to screw us over, with lukewarm Kool-Aid and TV dinners.
Sorry, "infrastructure problems," water and electricity not dependable right now...
This evil should have been held on an existing, remote, secure military base, or on a naval ship at sea.
They put Rahm in the drivers seat so that he would make sure the city burns this summer. I’ll bet you even Daley, as rotten as he is said no and they offered him the choice of leaving or going to jail.
A glimpse into our future?
OAKLAND, California (AP) — Police used tear gas and "flash" grenades Saturday to break up hundreds of Occupy protesters after some demonstrators started throwing rocks and flares at officers and tearing down fencing.
http://news.yahoo.com/police-tear-gas-occupy-oakland-protesters-013035851.html
I'm one hip chick at the top of my game. Debra Kirby and I have our shit together for G8/NATO.
Time for my constitutional evening fifth of Grey Goose and Kool-Aid. Hold the olives.
"Both the Phillies and the Crosstown Classic with the White Sox on a weekend no less are during the G-8 week!"
Most of the Cub fans are drunken suburbanites and/or transplants from places like Iowa or Nebraska.
Sox fans are well, Sox fans.
Who cares?
"Why not have the Bud Billiken Parade in May too Mayor Fuckhead?"
Yes! They can move it downtown, too!
"4. If you must give them grant park to hold everyone and if you do; and you should; then you have outside sworn law enforcement agencies country wide..."
Who's going to pay them? Who's responsible for their medical costs if/when they're injured?
Their home agencies aren't party to this stupidity.
"FOP should be doing something to see that dues paying CPD Lodge members, both Active AND Retired, get first crack at any of this..."
Call FOP, 312-733-7776 & suggest this. Don't forget to report back on what they tell you!
Roeper is a cop hating Liberal from way back. Remember he spends much of his time in Hollywood dealing with Rahm's brother out there. I remember, years ago when a white family was brutally beaten almost in front of the 009th Dist by a violent man, who was motivated by hate for white people. The offender was black and he beat the dad to death, and brain damaged the daughter. Her boyfriend was also struck but ran away. Roeper went out of his way to make this incident NOT APPEAR to be a hate crime. In other instances he has shown his dissdain for police and love for the impoverished. Roe is pro-police, but putting Roeper on that show was a big mistake,
Hey meathead- Richard Roeper on the Roe Conn show is a completely different person from the Jerry Roper mentioned in the article.
Anonymous said...
"FOP should be doing something to see that dues paying CPD Lodge members, both Active AND Retired, get first crack at any of this..."
Call FOP, 312-733-7776 & suggest this. Don't forget to report back on what they tell you!
1/28/2012 08:52:00 PM
Get off the blog Mike. Don't you have two kids? i thought you were the president.
"So if those LAZ meters are not destroyed, I would assume the "protesters" were under orders."
There are some first-class conspiracy theorists posting here. Can't you work in the Illuminati, Elders of Zion, Third Caliphate and ODESSA while you are at it? Obama runs them all, you know!
I don't know where you guys are getting this info on Roeper but he is a huge supporter of the Chicago Police. Has come out and supported us at many of our events for the Memorial Foundation..
downtown stores already should have had security in place for years now. Every other major city in the country provides store security. Rarely do you shop the down town districts of Boston, New York, or LA on NOT see a uniformed police officer or security guard inside or standing right outside the door. Chicago's downtown shopping district looks like aliens kidnapped all of them.
My bad. I mis-spelled Roper. I was talking about Jerry Roper, head of the Chgo Chamber of Commerce, not Richard Roeper, the media guy who was on the radio and writes for the Sun Times. Jerry Roper said businesses should prepare for the worst. the next day, he changed his tune and said it won't be that bad. You know the 5th floor made that call.
Wrong Roeper. Richard Roeper is a columnist who contrary to many people's knowledge, has supported many law enforcement causes. He just does it under the radar.
Jerry ROPER is president of Chicagoland Chamber of Commerce. Different person.
Anonymous said...
A class of 50 might start soon...not to worry!
1/28/2012 03:53:00 PM
2015?
Richard Roeper is a movie critic from Harvey, Illinois. A south side kid from back in the day. I'm not always crazy about his movie picks though.
He was talking about Mr. Roper from Three's Company.
Conspire this:
http://politicons.net/reuters-george-soros-money-behind-occupy-wall-street-protests/
The Democrat Media Complex is finally reporting that liberal billionaire and Obama’s best friend, George Soros, is funding the Occupy Wall Street protests.
Additionally, the Soros funded Working Families Party, is running a jobs ad on Craig’s list for activists to help fight Wall Street.
George Soros has been a supporter of Obama since he decided to run for president in 2007.
I hope Rahm and his crew are watching whats happening in Oakland...now these thugs are running into gov. buildings and taking and burning American flags!! Hey but don't worry we just need to make sure your stars are shiny and no tape around your name, that should scare them off!!!
I don't know where you guys are getting this info on Roeper but he is a huge supporter of the Chicago Police. Has come out and supported us at many of our events for the Memorial Foundation..
1/29/2012 12:01:00 AM
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Are you freakin' joking? In reality, Roeper is a liberal.
Being a liberal and being a police supporter may actually be the original situation for which the term "mutually exclusive" was coined.
What liberals support, by definition, precludes them from supporting law enforcement, at least actual police officers.
Don't believe me? Listen to Aaron Klein investigative journalist.
Soros activists caught red handed running Occupy.posted December 22, 2011
http://kleinonline.wnd.com/videos/soros-activists-caught-red-handed-running-occupy/
http://tinyurl.com/78lq5nz
We already knew that Congressman Barney Frank (D-Massachusetts) and other lawmakers such as Representative Rahm Emanuel (D-Illinois) have been close to liberal philanthropist George Soros for years, but a Sept. 7, 2004 letter on Frank’s website shows just how close.
Here is one passage from the incredibly solicitous letter (available as a PDF file here) signed by Frank and 10 other lawmakers:
We have been particularly troubled by the McCarthyite attacks that have been made on you by some American politicians, including colleagues of ours, who have gone far beyond the reasonable bounds of civil discourse in their efforts to discredit you.
Anonymous said...
Roeper is a cop hating Liberal from way back. Remember he spends much of his time in Hollywood dealing with Rahm's brother out there. I remember, years ago when a white family was brutally beaten almost in front of the 009th Dist by a violent man, who was motivated by hate for white people. The offender was black and he beat the dad to death, and brain damaged the daughter. Her boyfriend was also struck but ran away. Roeper went out of his way to make this incident NOT APPEAR to be a hate crime. In other instances he has shown his dissdain for police and love for the impoverished. Roe is pro-police, but putting Roeper on that show was a big mistake,
1/28/2012 08:10:00 AM
You're lying. Don't use that man's murder to spout your dumbshit! Again,you're a liar!
"Being a liberal and being a police supporter may actually be the original situation for which the term "mutually exclusive" was coined."
And that sentence may be the origin of the word "bullshit," unless by "support" you mean "slavish devotion under any and all circumstances."
"Being a liberal and being a police supporter may actually be the original situation for which the term "mutually exclusive" was coined."
And that sentence may be the origin of the word "bullshit," unless by "support" you mean "slavish devotion under any and all circumstances."
1/29/2012 08:49:00 PM
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C'mon "Dave". Please.
Don't mean "slavish devotion"...just mean on the same page most of the time.
Libs support what libs support. And that, regardless of how you want to spin it, ain't the police. Unless of course your definition of support is "don't throw 'em under the bus until they actually have to crack somebody".
If you wanna be a lib, fine, be one. Just don't pretend you support traditional american values, the military or law enforcement, because you don't.
As a copper, I resent your fake agenda more than those that just admit they hate me. At least I know where I stand.
What about Bill Cozzi, "Dave"? Didn't he get outright fucked? What about profiling, "Dave"? That's a lib agenda item, your leader Obamao himself passed that bag of shit. What about affirmative action, "Dave"? That's done more to shitterize CPD than the political kow-towing to the revs and the entitlement guzzling non-working masses...well, maybe about the same.
Admit it, "Dave". Either you aren't pro-cop or you aren't a lib.
"Being a liberal and being a police supporter may actually be the original situation for which the term "mutually exclusive" was coined."
And that sentence may be the origin of the word "bullshit," unless by "support" you mean "slavish devotion under any and all circumstances."
1/29/2012 08:49:00 PM
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Dave, thank you for saying what I could not find words for.
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Dave in Albany Park said...
"Being a liberal and being a police supporter may actually be the original situation for which the term "mutually exclusive" was coined."
And that sentence may be the origin of the word "bullshit," unless by "support" you mean "slavish devotion under any and all circumstances."
1/29/2012 08:49:00 PM
"dave's not here, maaaaan."
"someone's knocking on the door, someone's ringing the bell, open the door, and let 'em innnnnnnnn."
1-"Dave" is my actual name, no need for scare quotes.
2-I am definitely a liberal by the lights of anyone here, and I am generally very much pro-police unless I see a good reason not to be in favor of an INDIVIDUAL officer for his or her actions.
3- "If you wanna be a lib, fine, be one. Just don't pretend you support traditional american values, the military or law enforcement, because you don't. "
But the fact is I do, as do all of my liberal friends. The scary, evil all-powerful liberal that so many here fear is almost non-existant.
I don't hate you, or cops, or soldiers, or conservatives, or anyone, simply for being that. My very liberal core value is that I must take each individual as I find them.
We probably differ a LOT of our definition of "traditional American values," though.
Actually Dave said...
1-"Dave" is my actual name, no need for scare quotes.
Not really *scare* quotes, more like a play on the joke of using the name of one who in actuality remains cloaked in anonymity...there are a whole lot of Dave's in Chicago...but I certainly believe that is your name, so I won't use the scare quotes again.
2-I am definitely a liberal by the lights of anyone here, and I am generally very much pro-police unless I see a good reason not to be in favor of an INDIVIDUAL officer for his or her actions.
So like a liberal. You are qualified to excoriate those that don't live up to your liberal values...for example using force to effect an arrest...when you in actuality have absolutely no idea just how difficult it is to take a a resisting subject into custody.
3- "If you wanna be a lib, fine, be one. Just don't pretend you support traditional american values, the military or law enforcement, because you don't. "
But the fact is I do, as do all of my liberal friends. The scary, evil all-powerful liberal that so many here fear is almost non-existant.
I don't hate you, or cops, or soldiers, or conservatives, or anyone, simply for being that. My very liberal core value is that I must take each individual as I find them.
I'm sure you believe that you do. I can also say that I take everyone at face value and only let their actions dictate my reaction. The truth is I don't just stumble around the city with hairy knuckles dragging in the dirt as I look for minorities to plant evidence on, or innocent teenagers just turning their lives around to gleefully execute. I am around hipsters and left wingers constantly and most don't ever know what I believe, but I do listen to their day to day ranting and they do not, emphatically DO NOT support the police or the military. I actually believe you may be a rare one that actually thinks you do, but sorry, don't believe there is any way that "all your friends" (a quote not a scary highlight) that are libs are police and military supporters.
We probably differ a LOT of our definition of "traditional American values," though.
I'm sure we do...I'm very sure we do.
1/30/2012 12:59:00 PM
"So like a liberal. You are qualified to excoriate those that don't live up to your liberal values...for example using force to effect an arrest...when you in actuality have absolutely no idea just how difficult it is to take a a resisting subject into custody."
Officer, I will give you fifty bucks if the moderator here on SCC can dig up one comment by me wherein I "excoriate those who don't live up to my liberal values." If SCC finds it I will send him the check and trust him to get it to you. If the case is iffy I will let SCC be the judge as to whether you won the bet.
If I win, you post here the simple admission that "liberal" does not automatically or always mean bad, evil, stupid or un-american.
I know that I could NEVER face what cops face all the time. Or firefighters. Or EMTs. Or soldiers. My life has been relatively safe, in large measure thanks to people who CAN face this shit, and I freely admit it. My admiration for first-responders of all types is real, and I have no problem at all with cops using all necessary force to apprehend a suspect who resists. I have seen cops on the street in Chicago being nicer to assholes than I would be in their shoes.
And in AP I think Jose is a lot more common a name than Dave....
Roeper and Roe CONN are two big commie assholes with a crap radio show.......
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you obviously do NOT listen to them. Roe Conn is very supportive of ALL police and has donated money to our memorial foundation. Both he and Roeper, and the show in general, are supportive of our military and their causes, especially the Wounded Warrior Project, Heart of a Marine, and Toys for Tots. I haven't listened to Meier much, so I will not comment on his support. A lesson maybe you should learn.
I know that I could NEVER face what cops face all the time. Or firefighters. Or EMTs. Or soldiers. My life has been relatively safe, in large measure thanks to people who CAN face this shit, and I freely admit it.
You know Dave, I believe you probably have a good heart and mean well. I don't despise liberals necessarily, I do despise liberals that who are so stuck in their hipster cocoon of cool that they riducule all that don't agree. And that partner, is a lot of libs...a very lot. The patronizing tone and assumption of correctness in any of a plethora of unsettled theories is infuriating to me. I do feel liberalism is destroying the nation, one example is the outright, explosive, blinding in it's shining glory failure of the "great society". We've enslaved generations and created a huge underclass of entitlement that only sticks out hands and demands more. I just heard that in a very short time the tipping point of voters will be reached where those that receive government largesse outnumber those that contribute. I'm no genius but I have to believe that when the voters with no incentive but to take more are in full charge the nation is fully doomed.
Anyway, in short, I don't despise you, but I can't wrap my mind around smart people believing lib ideals anymore...I almost have to believe there is a hidden agenda... that they are planning ot overwhelm the system because it is so clear to me that its a completely failed system...that the pathetic underclass is being used as a tool for democratic power.
As well, you said this before:
I am definitely a liberal by the lights of anyone here, and I am generally very much pro-police unless I see a good reason not to be in favor of an INDIVIDUAL officer for his or her actions.
See Dave, we don't need your support in the obvious cases. Its the ones that you "think" are wrong, that you "think" the officer was brutal, where we need faith and support. You've never been there, running out of gas after a full minute of all out fighting as a shitbird's hand slides down your side and you just KNOW he is reaching for your gun. You have to bust him up to stop him...or when you have tried for the sixth or seventh time to get the mutt to stay on the ground as he wiggles, worms and tries again to get up. You have a gun on him, you don't see a gun in his hand, aren't sure what he's doing, adrenaline is jacked and his homies are down the block. Does he have his shit on him? Will they see him and come to his aid? Should I holster and try again, knock him out, hope for a taser, what? But after the fact, after 599 iterations of video and dissection by a thousand libs that have never had to fight for more than a better spot at Ravinia...then I'm judged and you decide if you see a "good reason" not to support me. To lock me up, sue me, take my job, screw my kids future and with all due respect, Dave, you aren't in the least qualified to judge that, because you have never been there and have no idea what it's like to have a rabid human animal trying to burn you down.
I've been a copper for 20 years, I've worked a beat, been a dick, worked a homicide unit, been a boss. What you don't understand is that the coppers are the good guys, and that MOST liberals have turned this around with the assumption that they are the enemy. It plays well with minority voters that are so fucked up by the entitlement culture they have become like savages, but it isn't true. Yes there are bad coppers, and the vast majority of coppers want nothing to do with the truly bad ones, and treat them like lepers. But when I sit at a roll call now I see a ton of young, wonderful people that took on a tough job to try to make a difference and are treated like shit by not only the liberal media, but the liberal government, the liberal citizenry, and what makes me sicker than anything, used by a lot of bosses like stepping stones to greatness.
Enough rant Dave. When you agree it was ok to lump a shitbird, great. When you don't hopefully I was there to help with the scene or guide the copper in writing an honest, descriptive report that fully justifies his actions for those that have never faced the wolf but feel compelled to judge the sheepdog.
Good luck Dave. Hope you are able to stay safe and hope that maybe you think twice when judging those cops that don't deserve your favor.
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