Go Ahead, Break the Law
- Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy says he supports the video and audio recording of police officers who are on the job.
McCarthy talked to ABC 7 Monday about his position on the state's eavesdropping law, which makes the recording the audio of officers without their knowledge a felony.
McCarthy's comments come as a state representative works to change that law. Like many citizens, McCarthy did not know the specifics of the eavesdropping law.
The superintendent learned -- much to his chagrin -- that the eavesdropping law in Illinois is much more restrictive than what he was used to back east. It is his job to enforce the law as it stands, but this is clearly a law he is not fond of, and his voice as the head man of the state's largest law enforcement agency carries significant weight in this debate.
Labels: info for the police
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
40 Comments:
But he has our backs, right?
Ok boys get the tapes rolling whenever GMac is around. We start recording him at his finest hour and he will suddenly like that law
Why is this law maker only changing the law to allow for recording of law enforcement?
If you are going to expand the law include all politicians, judges and lawyers
hey scc off topic but have u heard anything about the fugitive apprehension unit accepting applications?i heard that this is just a ploy by the department to get a bunch of po's to put in their applications and then be accepted in the fugitive apprehension unit to then later be told that they're gonna be apart of the new mff unit.last i checked, wasn't the department trying to reduce the manpower of units and have more po's in the districts?i was hoping u could share more info this...thnx
Why should anyone be surprised about this?
We have millions of Americans that want the bankers that have caused this global economic melt down prosecuted and nothing is done. Plenty of laws on the books already covering their frauds and mockery of the courts.
Illegal immigration is another example and the county thumbs their nose as the feds...and the lists goes on.
Picking and choosing who has to follow the laws and who they don't apply to, who gets the tax breaks. Who get the free ride taxpayer funded scholarships and who is just plain S.O.L.
Well that's not about hard work and earning your living through life. That's picking and choosing the winners and the losers via a corrupt system and I think that the people are getting fed up with it all.
It's the dumbest law in the country, written to help shady officials get away with 'the Chicago way'. Only cockroaches fear the light and man, this city is full of them.
If you're acting in an official capacity and behaving in such a way that would not withstand scrutiny should it be recorded and presented after the fact, then you're one of the people who are an example of why this law needs to be overturned.
Much like anti CCW rights, Illinois stands virtually alone on this asinine law.
Can we tape the conversations Big Apple Slice has with the Racoon in his office? Of course not. That wouldn't be legal.
Now that is caving in! How about holding ground and not caving In and going along with us being recorded during the course of our duties. Nothing good can come out of it!
What the fuck! Kill this notion now! Were treated like shit now. Now you'll have some libtard, yuppie scum or getto rat sticking a video cam in your face on every interaction. Then post it on you tube. There is only so much demoralization and vilification an officer can take before he say's fuck it and completely gives up.
Citizens and politicians, were of tired of being kicked around, really tired. Don't break the camels back or you'll get nothing from him anymore.
How about some support for the police for a change. We are humans, spouses, sons, daughters, parents,,,,, not some garbage for the people to ridicule.
See that??? Much better story than the Douche having a stupid Brew!
Anyone wanna buy used police GPS spy gear for your car.
The city can't use them on the police without a warrant!
Cheap Cheap Cheap
Similar laws have been struck down as unconstitutional. The Illinois law is almost certainly unconstitutional.
How do I know this?
The States Attorney is supporting the law.
If the SAO supports a contested law I want to be on the other side.
In any case you're right that MCshooter should work to get the law repealed. You're wrong that we should enforce it.
When is the last time you wrote someone for jaywalking?
Cops use their discretion daily. Unless they want to emulate the great Barney Fife.
In normal circumstances, when you don't know a damned thing about what's being discussed, that's generally a great time to STFU!!
At least that way, people may think you're simply slow or shy; instead of knowing you're a fucking mouthy idiot.
I made an IR strobe that clips on to the front of my vest. It actually makes my face look fuzzy when videotaped. It actually works, in daylight too. Secret service uses it. Military installations use it. Why shouldn't we?
The city would be able to install microphones in all squads and record 24/7.
Make it legal to audio record the police and you'll really have a police department that does NOTHING. The police won't be able to do anything and wouldn't want to risk doing anything. What goes on out in the street is between the police and the shitbags. It's not for the sheeple's ears. The way we need to talk to most of the assholes we deal with in the street in order to control them would make most citizens' ears bleed. You've just about turned total control over to the criminal element in the street as it is by tying the hands of the police. This would probably be the final nail in the coffin as far as losing control of the streets completely.
Anonymous said...
Cops use their discretion daily. Unless they want to emulate the great Barney Fife.
1/31/2012 03:55:00 AM
Oh no you don't!
You leave Barney out of this.
He's 98 pounds of rompin', stompin' law enforcement!
The law as it stands violates the Constitution and is unenforceable.
Wrong. The State's Attorney is against repealing the law if it will only be used against coppers which is what is proposed now. The bill that is floating around now would make it legal to record the police but no one else. That's not fair which is why the SAO is opposing it as drafted. If they want to make it equally apply to everyone including politicians, then Alvarez said she'd support it but that she doesn't think that it's fair that only the police would be subject to unauthorized recording.
Pick better battles. The law is absurd and only makes CPD look like it's doing something wrong. 49 other states don't make some obnoxious kid w/ an iPhone a criminal and we shouldn't either.
The law has failed on appeal several times and is in the process of being legislated out of business. It makes LE look bad to be arguing for this. Take a defensible stand... this one ain't it.
Can I record him? My commander? My XO?
I give a shit. Since the Rodney King fiasco in LA I've always assumed someone was taping my every move. Act like that's true and you don't have to worry.
just watched the interview..he never said to go ahead and do it, thereby commiting a felony. He just said it was a foreign concept to him and that he felt it would be beneficial to change. I don't like the guy, but I'm not going to spead lies.
He's obsessed with it because he knows eveything he says at HQ to anyone, even the janitor, is being documented by the help.
So using McNutty's logic it'd b ok for any of us to secretly record any dealings we have with bosses right?
Cops use their discretion daily. Unless they want to emulate the great Barney Fife.
1/31/2012 03:55:00 AM
Too Late for that.
Take 001 and 018 for example.
On the one hand, they bend over backwards for "On the Side" Security Jobs (@ 20 per hour) to make sure the places can park their rides with little fear of Parking Enforcement if they scoff on the City Owned Meters or in a Tow Zone or Loading Zone like its a parking space. Or Like the way they bend over backwards for bentley gold coast and the 1/2 million in vehicles they park on the streets with no plates or city stickers (Plates required by ILVS 625 ILCS 5/3-413/ City Sticker required for all Chicago Dealerships)
On the other side of "Discretion" the same 001 and 018 PO's will not hesitate to illegally Issue the vaunted "Outside of Metered Space" ticket, despite the Code requiring Painted Markings (and that it Must be in a PAY LOT).
So please leave the Discretionary application of the Rules comment at home unless you want to look more like Barney the Dinosaur than Barney Fife.
Cause at least Andy gave Fife 1 bullet.
Love Unit 498
Nice to see all of you Supreme Court justices weighing in here, but let me straighten you clowns out right now.
Garry McCarthy is the Superintendent of the Chicago Police Dept. He, like every OTHER officer takes an oath to uphold the laws of our land, NOT the ones we happen to agree with. Like it or not, it is OUR DUTY, to obey AND enforce these laws.
Until the law is repealed by the legislature OR struck down by the Supreme Court, IT IS A LAW. Any other conversation is not acceptable... and I should know, because at the end of the day...
I AM The Sole Determining Factor!
Now this is a story that is worth the time to read. So if mccarthy does not support the law then he supports the goofball who is suing the city.......
From watching the tv show brick city, I am sure newark was happy to get rid of this clown!
Just took an on line training monthly law update class last week. OK for police to be audio recorded, not video recorded during their encounters with the fine citizens. Wait until you see it!!!
I made an IR strobe that clips on to the front of my vest. It actually makes my face look fuzzy when videotaped. It actually works, in daylight too. Secret service uses it. Military installations use it. Why shouldn't we?
-------------
I would like more info on this strobe light.... a link perhaps?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
So using McNutty's logic it'd b ok for any of us to secretly record any dealings we have with bosses right?
1/31/2012 03:34:00 PM
I have recorded bosses secretly for the past year and if push comes to shove, bottom line leave the working coppers alone! Years ago you got away with talking down to us now not so much!
McPanderer is NOT the policeman's friend. He will say what Rahm tells him to say. Period.
So using McNutty's logic it'd b ok for any of us to secretly record any dealings we have with bosses right?
1/31/2012 03:34:00 PM
-
No.
Because 1) it must be in public
2) You are prohibited from having a recording device by general order.
Sorry.
"Were treated like shit now. Now you'll have some libtard, yuppie scum or getto rat sticking a video cam in your face on every interaction."
In other words, a citizen recording a street scene involving an employee of the city is a felony. Bullshit. If a cop is doing something that is a criminal offense, it should not be a criminal offense to record it.
There IS a First Amendment. The current law in Illinois offends it. Repeal it, turn it over in court, whatever: ANY cop that fights against it is part of the government that needs to be exposed and destroyed.
Any of you that want it to be illegal to record an interaction between citizens and the police, please move to Russia, or shoot yourselves.
The U.S. Supreme Court said it was OK to secretely record a conversation that you are a party to almost 50 years ago. The Illinois Supreme Court said it was OK to do the same in 1986 but then the politicians in Springfield didn't like the idea that someone might be secretly recording their conversations. (And people wonder why Illinois has been called the most corrupt State in the union.)
Now the politicians want to give more rights to the criminals than they do to law enforcement. Under the bill, a person stopped by the police can secretely record the officer but if the officer does the same thing it is a class 4 felony. Better read the bill GMac before you come out to support it.
Can't wait to see the "selective edits" that defendants release of our conversations with them and it is not like we can produce our own, more complete, copy of the same conversation because it is a FELONY for us to record the same conversation.
Way to encourage more people during police encounters to approach officer with their arm outstreatched with a black object in their hand. Is it a cellphone or is it a gun? This will certainly lead to someone being shot accidently.
Good luck trying to conduct any type of covert investigation when you have a person (who is not even part of the conversation) coming up and sticking a recorder in the witness' or victim's face.
The proposed law is the same thing that the ACLU recently got slapped around for proposing in the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals. Check out the audio link below.
http://www.ca7.uscourts.gov/fdocs/docs.fwx?caseno=11-1286&submit=showdkt&yr=11&num=1286
I made an IR strobe that clips on to the front of my vest. It actually makes my face look fuzzy when videotaped. It actually works, in daylight too. Secret service uses it. Military installations use it. Why shouldn't we?
-------------
I would like more info on this strobe light.... a link perhaps?
1/31/2012 11:20:00 PM
-----------------------
Here ya go...
https://www.google.com/search?q=IR+Strobes&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.yahoo:en-US:official&client=firefox
"Were treated like shit now. Now you'll have some libtard, yuppie scum or getto rat sticking a video cam in your face on every interaction."
In other words, a citizen recording a street scene involving an employee of the city is a felony. Bullshit. If a cop is doing something that is a criminal offense, it should not be a criminal offense to record it.
There IS a First Amendment. The current law in Illinois offends it. Repeal it, turn it over in court, whatever: ANY cop that fights against it is part of the government that needs to be exposed and destroyed.
Any of you that want it to be illegal to record an interaction between citizens and the police, please move to Russia, or shoot yourselves.
2/01/2012 12:14:00 AM
Go away. Get off mama's computer and go pretend to Occupy something, so it at least LOOKS like you have something to do with your time.
Post a Comment
<< Home