Survey Says....
From an e-mail:
- Had to pass this info along.
A fellow dispatcher (police officer) had a friend tell her this: her son was issued a few citations on a traffic stop in 018 dist. Shortly afterward, her son received , in the mail, a letter from Supt McCarthy’s office requesting he fill out a survey online regarding the officer’s behavior that made the stop, ie..was he/she polite? Aggressive, etc. You are given a pin # and this is allegedly totally anonymous! These letters are currently being sent to citizens involved in accidents, traffic stops & dui stops. Unknown if mailed out to all or just a random few.
The officer that shared this info with me today had already asked a few other pos …all were unaware. I passed it along to a few pos working today and they were unaware & shocked. Please let the troops know that the city is now letting the citizens compile your performance reviews. I just can’t imagine any citizen having anything good to say about an officer that just gave them a ticket!
Did we miss this somewhere? What's the point? Is this a fishing expedition for Complaint Register numbers or Verbal Abuse beefs? Does anyone really think that a citizen who just got a few hundred dollars worth of moving violations is going to tell anything resembling the truth?
And weren't cameras in the cars supposed to protect us from the types of that might be raised in these situations? Is the Department admitting cameras are a failure and we have to rely on paper and postage to get feedback from citizens?
Labels: dumb ideas
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
121 Comments:
I won't write a mover anymore. I will get bus checks and a Parker. Fuck this.
the joke is on mcarthy because there will be NO MORE TRAFFIC STOPS!
Simple solution: don't write movers. In fact, don't even make traffic stops.
Do those cameras work? Will they protect me?
R/O will ensure that he will not do any more traffic stops.
35th street really wants us to do nothing and be the sissy police. And it just becomes harder and harder to trust them.
Who is still writing tickets???? Or generating any numbers for that matter!
We really are our own worst enemy!
Back in the day, IAD personnel had to work 'weekend duty', answering the phones and being available for callout jobs. Your turn in the barrel came about every five or six weeks.
Each person (one sgt, one p.o.) was given a stack of mover copies and had to phone the violator and ask the questions you've listed here. One guy flat-out said, 'What the fuck do you expect me to say when he just cost me a week's pay'. And he, thankfully, hung up on us.
This is just as ridiculous an endeavor now as it was then.
I call bullshit, but nothing about this Mickey Mouse organization surprises me anymore.
On the way home from my tour, I was hit by a hit and run driver. My tire went flat and couldn't chase the offending vehicle. The next day, I went to work and had one of my fellow PO's fill out my report. Two days later I received the same letter. Same with a friend of mine that I filled out a theft report for 3 weeks ago. He got the letter in the mail. I still have the letter if anybody wants to see it, I'll scan it for this post.
I guess my "you can thank MC Jersey shore and rahminator.." for this ticket quote I state on stops will be getting to the right ears
.GOOD ! Come get sum...Fillmore forEva!
I think im about to take off my white shirt, make a flag out of it, attach it to my rifle and start waiving it around. i give up.
True. I was in a car accident a few weeks ago and received one of these today. You go to a website and enter the PIN they give you to fill out a survey about the officer.
If this is true, the department can forget about me writing any movers. I usually go through about 30 books a year. Isn't it bad enough that the judges in traffic court treat us the officers as the defendants and then find all of the offenders not guilty; Oh...and the court Sgt who loves to jam any copper when given the slightest opportunity? F*#% this department.
Another part of the job to micro-manage. Giving a citation is not customer service. It's enforcing the law and protecting citizens. Geez what's next.
I didn't write a mover for over 5 years because I didn't like dealing with a certain someone at the police room on La Salle a few years back. Taske off your coat before you enter my domain, to from for a time due slip. I guess they want me to stop again.
If you want me to do the job you hired me for, stop putting trip wires at every step of my job. They make it harder and more work to arrest people. They put more and more work on you, you need to involve more and more people in the job. Desk Lt. that is busy doing other things, 5 inventories for prisoner junk they have on them, a rap sheet, a LEADS printout, sending them to another district to be processed and now you have another bunch of hurdles to get past. And then your field Sgt is squawking about how long it took. If you want us to do police work, how about removing some of the landmines? They make it so you don't want to do anything because doing nothing generates no beefs.
They really are as stupid as my partner says.
i don't want to say this
but it looks like adminastration
is looking to make a "paper trail"
on individuals that way they can say look! they did this and this and that and possibly suspend demote and fire officers that have these paper trails and the union might not be able to go to bat for them but not informing you of this
is really a stab in the back
though i'm sure there "outraged" joe citizens screaming for heads any ways:)
If this were Vietnam we would go home. We should pull out of the south side and set up a defensive line. New department. Warm and fuzzy. Try not to get hurt while trying to keep your job. The gold star bosses are quick to say be more aggressive. If I'm ever around and here that I'm going to say can you define more aggressive for me. The gold star member will tell me to talk to my Sgt and he will say get some movers and parkers.
When Rahm was campaigning he said he will build Police morale! LOL
I've always said police work is not always a very customer friendly type of work. This survey is a ridiculous reminder of how out of touch with reality the idiots at 35 Th St. are.
I got an idea let us P. O.'s fill out a survey about how we like our treatment by the assholes at 35th St. and City Hall.
Oh wait they did a morale survey awhile back ..... whatever happened to that? Wasn't that supposed to be published??
Did they create a job for some political hack to look at return surveys.
They can make me live here while I'm working but I'm gone in retirement!
At this rate all the retirement checks will be sent out of this shifty city.
I quit writing movers about 4 years ago as I was fed up with the way traffic court is run and how the judges and corp counsel treat us. Perfect example is when a car went around the railroad gates and nearly hit me as I was on the other side waiting. When it gets to court the corp counsel and Judge feel sorry for the lady and the hefty fine that comes wtih it. So they bust it down to obstructing trafic and A $50 dollar fine. The corp counsel asked me in front of the judge if I had a problem with that I said "no I just wont be back here again". And I have yet to be back there. Screw the courts and the City. No more REVENUE ACTIVITY FORM ME.
Actually, yeah. I think most who bother to fill it out will tell the truth and the few who stretch it will be pretty obvious.
I worked in the hotel industry for a while in college. We had survey cards too. Our general rule of thumb- if the card ranted about the room's cost, disregard all subsequent complaints.
If the citizen surveys are nothing more than rants about the ticket itself then yeah. Disregard everything that follows. But when you get something like "Sure, I was speeding, but this guy came up to my window and started hysterically berating me using foul language in front of my kids for no reason whatsoever...", that's a huge fucking problem and frankly, I'm sick of MY professional reputation being burned down by the huge beatoffs on the job.
Some people just aren't cut out for patrol and need to be moved. Some people aren't cut out for police work all together. It's always a 'certain type' who fear accountability. We all know exactly who they are. Maybe its time we stopped carrying water for those assholes and started getting rid of them.
Anonymous said...
If this is true, the department can forget about me writing any movers. I usually go through about 30 books a year. Isn't it bad enough that the judges in traffic court treat us the officers as the defendants and then find all of the offenders not guilty; Oh...and the court Sgt who loves to jam any copper when given the slightest opportunity? F*#% this department.
1/23/2012 02:31:00 AM
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You received a 1% raise this year. You received a 2% raise last year.
What the FUCK are you doing making revenue for the Shitty Of ShitCago in the first place??!!!!!!
Superintendent Emmanuel is the enemy.
STAY UNITED AGAINST THIS PIECE OF SHIT.
Traffic Stop= TSSS Card.
Write No Parkers.
Do Paper On ALL Jobs.
Let's get together on this!!!
why did the 018 district copper give the kid a break IF he wasadvised parent is a FELLOW PO. the letter means shit. when i was getting over open heart surgery. at 376 call back, we where asked too get the the ALLEGED victim an E mail address, the PD would ask people that same BS, polite, kind soft tone of voice kissed callers ass. etc. i say so. we all know the ghetto rat including your liberal lake front asshole, will talk a line of shit, LIKE we where never falsely accused before. if ii's a concern, SEE DO NOTHING.
Send the traffic accidents to the desk! I'll be coming from two blocks away!
So does this apply for traffic contact cards?
One more kick in the teeth !!! What person receiving a citation would have anything positive to say????? I wish we could blue flu for a month... Like during g8. What a nice dream. So tired of being looked at as the enemy. Civilians need to realize that the politicians give us our marching orders.
Who cares
If this is true, the department can forget about me writing any movers. I usually go through about 30 books a year....30 books!!!.
Who is this gloves??
Back in early 90's in the "fighting 020" Sgt Kosala tried to get a career dogass po (c.v.) to do a little police work. He cried like a bitch to the D/C who told the good Sgt to leave the po alone because he wasn't hurting the department....I hated this guy for being a useless pussy but apparently he had it right all along.
Man,he was ahead of his time.HAH!
I miss Sgt Kosala and his potato gun.
I/F KMA
This has been going on for at least 6 months. A friend of mine got when in 12 last year.
There was an article in the Trib about this maybe 6 months ago...
OT
Two things: First. Anyone else have friends in. CFD that were asked to volunteer for MFF or similar. They were asking FF is they had military or police experience.
Second. Why is nothing being said about the ghost positions currently filled within the departments? Quite of few units had their commander,xo and accompanying staff eliminated on The 8th but they are still there? Is this the new new Compstat.
"if you can't convince them with facts then fool then with BS".
And yet you all continue to make money for the city by writing these tickets. DUMMIES
Just 1 more reason not to make traffic stops or write any tickets for this city. They sure know how to make us not want to help generate revenue.
I guess I see nothing wrong with it. This is a very common type of practice in virtually all areas of business and government.
Why should policing be any different?
You cannot really change things until you have some idea of what is actually going on. I would not be surprised to find out that the majority of the surveys are filled out and returned honestly. They may not reflect what the officer involved thinks about what went on in the stop, but that is part of the point with these kind of things.
Not a cop.
How about rating the performance of our arrogant jagoff mayor?
Hahahaha!!!! I wonder if McStupid and Racoon eyes read these postings? If they do, then here is to you
,,|,, (fuck you)!!! I stop writing movers last year, and these ass hats wonder why the department doesn't generate money for the city. Keep up the bad work jackass, your doing a great job!
Maybe it should be a two way street then.... we will all take a vote, speciallly since his first anniversery is coming up.
Maybe some of the females he has been in contact with... "did he stare at your chest" "did he flirt with you"...."did he grab his crotch"....
McIdiot, I beleive will self destruct fairly soon... just my predidction
This "How are we doing survey" is a common practice in police departments seeking "certification". It goes back to the idiiotic concept of the police providing "customer service". In come communities they actually send these "How we doing" on domestic incidents and minor arrest situations. In a city as political and divided as Chicago, this can only lead to more beefs and misery for working police. Fortunately most of our "clients" lie about their addresses so it will be difficult to find them.
Another example how the workers will get screwed!
This is 100% true. Not only is the survey being given to traffic violators and accident victims, but also to those who call for police service from their homes. It is a pilot program taking place in 015 & 018. Coming to you courtesy of the ultra liberal Dennis Rosenbaum of UIC!
Sorry guys they mail them out after traffic accident reports and case reports generated for the public. They claim it's a survey being conducted by a university for a study and is not meant to discipline officers , BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I remember my wc saying something about this at roll call. Great idea won't be making much revenue from us now. Few traffic stops equals fewer arrest equals increase in crime. But hey everybody will love the police. What a fuckin joke. Maybe the mayor should send out surveys regarding his actions.
the guy calling bullshit sorry it is true 21dec11 had a theft at my home received survey 08jan12. called fop they were aware. took survey via phone 20 minutes long many questions strange contract time coming and more ways to discredit cpd. they already have ipra and iad to complain!
This Bozo mayor like the previous one have probably cost the city millions in revenue. If there were not so many hurdles and maybe some support from the supe and mayor coppers would have no problem writing a few tickets. Back in the day it was said that 10 tickets a week paid a coppers salary. Now add in tows / confiscations for so many offenses big $$$$$. On top of that you don't have to hammer the poor working guy. Target the bangers they usually are on a suspended or revoked and usually driving a car with multiple violations. Most of these bangers after their ride is towed pay big $$$ to get them back because they need to get their goods out of their traps. If they don't pick it up it sold as scrap. It's a win win. But these Bozos don't care and put up more cameras. About 50% of all good arrests come from traffic street stops where information is gathered and where weapons are confiscated. NO MORE! The police have been declawed and defanged!
Uh, you mopes should a little more attention to what FOP and the dept tells you. This was announced about 2 months ago. Surveying traffic citation recipients and certain types of crime victims.
Now it's a big deal? Worry about the contract and our pension, not this.
McCarthy is a total nut job. My God, I am so embarrassed working for this idiot.
McCarthy needs to stop sending out surveys, save the money spent on the stamp, paper and evelope and put it towards our pension. While I'm on the topic of pensions and saving money. Cancel the fop picnic, fishing tournament, golf outings - nothing to celebrate these days and put the money and efforts in staying ontop our pensions problems.
It just shows how out of touch the people running this city are, no one has a nice encounter with the police. The people we enounter get a ticket, get arrested, get put out of their house or they are the victim of a crime and it is our fault they got raped, robbed or pillaged. So lets ask them to fill out a survey on how pleasant their interaction with us was. BRILLIANT, just BRILLIANT!!!!!!
They should have comment cards for the district desk crews and the police officer or detectives who answer the phones in the areas.
So glad I retired.
I can see letters ro comment cards sent to those citizens who are crime victims or who come into the stations to file a report or ask questions. I do not see this for people who have been arrested or cited. This is some very short thinking.
Don't they get it yet??????? By trying to fuck is they fuck themselves, the Shitty, and the tax payers (tax payers include us too, I think people forget they). When are they going to learn that happy po leece are working po leece????? F this place!!! It's a constant fucking battle with the city and the citizens...... I'll say it again, I can't wait to lateral transfer out of here....TEXAS HERE I COME!!!!!!
Why is that f'n fool wasting my tax money???? Hire another more police if you have all this extra tax $$$ to blow! But what does he and Rham care they aren't city residents!
I was an on-duty PO in a police vehicle when we were hit by a woman who wasn't paying attention in an intersection. You guys did our traffic crash report, since we were in the city on a city street. Couple weeks later, I got one of these letters in my mailbox at my department. So an on-duty PO is supposed to rate the performance of another on-duty PO? Negative... Straight in the trash.
I would have given the officer high reviews, FWIW! Thanks for the help!
I guess the On-line version is too complex for some folk.
IPRA must be slow, so to avoid layoffs and cutbacks this is a way to make that agency justified.
Don't forget that TSS card with those movers.
WE NEED ACTIVITY OR ELSE !!!
McCarthy should be worried about the huge spike in murders than he should be about a cop who just wrote a mover and his interaction with a citizen who just committed a traffic violation. It's only a matter of time before Rahm starts feeling the heat from the reverends and so forth and guess where the blame will be pointed?Right at McCarthy and the New York guys he brought here with him. They will be lauunched so fast they wont know what happened when they end up back in the Bronx!And summertime isn't even here yet!
Just don't stop cars anymore. If you don't see any violations you can't make the stop, right? 35th street has been on a constant attack against police officers and the only thing we can do to protect ourselves is avoid any thing that can be hostile to us. Unfortunately that is 35th street.
Administering a program like this costs a lot of money. A lot of money that needs to be paid to someone. Any further questions? The thieves continue, unabated.
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Old Retired Guy Here Again........
I always thought I was very civil with traffic violators. I used to write about 12 to 15 Movers A Period. You needed to show activity, to rotate with the watch. 12 to 15 was about the norm. Many times when I went to traffic court, I was shocked at what the violators would tell the judge. They would accused me of swearing at them, which I never did, and being very discourteous. Bottom Line Is: How Much Credibility Can You Give Someone, Who Has Just Gotten A Ticket ?
Traffic integrity checks are nothing new. IAD has been conducting them since at least the 1980's. They are fishing for crooked copers on the take. The people doing the integrity checks understand that the traffic violators will be sour lemons. Forewarned is forearmed. Stay safe everyone.
Shocker #2... Dunkin Donuts has been doing this on the back of their receipts for a few years too, but they give you a free donut for your troubles.
the last time I checked being stopped by the police and being handed a stack of bananas was right up there with getting a root canal or a prostate exam--- where did they find the money for this survey---- we are broke and can't hire or promote anyone but we have money for a retard survey....
"Isn't it bad enough that the judges in traffic court treat us the officers as the defendants and then find all of the offenders not guilty; Oh...and the court Sgt who loves to jam any copper when given the slightest opportunity?"
That right there is the reason I havn't been there in years. Not to mention, it's a pain in the ass to get down there to begin with. Last time I was there, I had something like 3 - 4 cases all demand trial. Every one of them.... Not Guilty?! And the Judge says something like, "not to diminish this Officer's credibility, but maybe you didn't have a clear view"?! That's exactly what you just did asshole!! Like I imagined all these people blowing clean through stop signs and lights?! Anyway, fuck that place.
I got your survey right here, pal.
Oh, you can't see what I'm doing. I'm grabbing my junk.
Communism in action. Your leadership is queered with Socialists, Troops.
I'd be more than happy to be stopped by anyone of you, more than one time, and even happier to provide glowing reports. so there.
btw- why the hell are they wasting staff on this voluminous paperwork when we already don't have enough cops protecting us and crime everywhere is the worst we've seen it in decades?
~downtown citizen
Once again, any fool who goes out there and is proactive is a complete idiot. I can not believe what is happening to my department. An officer should always be polite and professional at all times. Once the subject becomes an asshole then it's time to change our demeanor. In 75% of the time, the people that I stop and arrest are completely cooperative and pleasant. And I work in a busy district. It all goes back to how you talk to people, even assholes and criminals.
OT. Rick flare new 700.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
the joke is on mcarthy because there will be NO MORE TRAFFIC STOPS!
1/23/2012 12:26:00 AM
Sorry to break this to you but we are still going to have officers out there working their tails off. All just to make it to the tact unit or another elite unit. It will never change. The wise will evolve based upon circumstances.
Crookago is out of control with traffic violators, which makes it far more hazardous for motorists who drive responsibly. Can't fault the Cops for not wanting to enforce the traffic laws after reading about this. Who I do fault, however, is the bird-brained Superintendent McCarthy, and his boss, Mayor Emanuel, for being so petty and stupid as to initiate this idea, without realizing the repurcussions of lack of enforcing Traffic Safety Laws. It shows to me, that all that Chicago Politicians are concerned with is making revenue off of Red Light Cameras, and shows that they are not concerned about making driving safer around Chicagoland. An out of control vehicle is a 2,000 + lb. bullet. People in Chicago need protection from things other than gang bangers and drug dealers. Chicago Politicians and their tools in Police Administration are failing the citizens and working people of Chicago, with their attitude that only Murders matter here. They do, but there are other things that endanger the public, which are being all but ignored, traffic law enforcement is just one, and one that kills and injures many citizens annually.
Thanks Mayor Emanuel, and Police Supt. McCarthy, for making driving even more dangerous for myself and my family. You should both be ashamed of yourselves, but you both are probably too arrogant and stupid to do so. Your bright ideas, and politics, are the main reasons that so many decent people are leaving Chicago, and the State of Illinois, in droves.
On the way home from my tour, I was hit by a hit and run driver. My tire went flat and couldn't chase the offending vehicle. The next day, I went to work and had one of my fellow PO's fill out my report. Two days later I received the same letter. Same with a friend of mine that I filled out a theft report for 3 weeks ago. He got the letter in the mail. I still have the letter if anybody wants to see it, I'll scan it for this post.
1/23/2012 01:20:00 AM
Please do.
this has rhams's dirty sticky fingerprints all over it. he will save every negative survey (which will be 99% because who is gonna say a nice thing about an officer who just wrote you tickets?) and then bring up these negative surveys at contract time to get the public on board to screw us on any little thing he can.
If you cont to work, you are fking soft. Time to leave your elite team that you're on and say enough is enough already.
But to those who won't learn, well.... the joke is on you.
I won't write a mover anymore. I will get bus checks and a Parker. Fuck this.
Why would you even do that much? Honestly?
Information about this was posted on the FOP website in mid-November. Go to the FOP site and search using the keyword - survey.
To the officer that writes 30 books a year and then claims to be treated like shit by the judge and court sgt your a real asshole your that thank you sir may I have another type of guy stop writing or stop complaing
I got one of those letters about a month ago for a case report. It's not just for movers.
Nothing new here, move along kids!
They did this in the mid 1970's will postcards!
Paladin
Just another reason why I don't write Traffic Tickets anymore!
Fuck the City and their "Quota" I mean "Index"!
KMA
If this is so, then what's the URL for the website.
What a crock of shit. With management like this, God help you guys.
-a citizen
Another reason not to do any fucking working out here. Why make revenue for the city when they want to send letters for feedback from the whining jaggoff you just gave a ticket(s) to. These new bastards are unreal! Happy I'm retired out in Crestwood. My prayers go to those still on the job!
how do they get the violator's email address?
I'm soooo pissed off I'll never write another mover. Come to think of it, I haven't written one in twenty years. ROFLMAO
Anonymous said...
I think im about to take off my white shirt, make a flag out of it, attach it to my rifle and start waiving it around. i give up.
I did: retired early 2011 and loving it. This is not the job it was.
Cta check and 30 minutes foot...
Where's the fucking union (FOP#7) on this one?????
I only have had three interactions with police where I was the "offender." All were motor vehicle related, one of which dealt with parking, the other two moving violations. In two of the three cases, the POs were perfectly fine, courteous and professional. Had I been sent a survey form, I would certainly have sent it back with that information on it. I had committed the offense and I had no anger against the cop for citing me.
The third was a profane, insulting, intimidating and aggressive pain in the ass (not in Chicago!), but I won in court, so that turned out OK too!
The form seems silly, because anyone can write a letter or email if they have something to say, good or bad.
Anonymous said...
If this is true, the department can forget about me writing any movers. I usually go through about 30 books a year. Isn't it bad enough that the judges in traffic court treat us the officers as the defendants and then find all of the offenders not guilty; Oh...and the court Sgt who loves to jam any copper when given the slightest opportunity? F*#% this department.
Ummmmmm.... And you do this why?? And let me guess, it's all working people you write. You can find a POS worthy of ticketing and maybe even get a misd court date out of it. But those you dont even blink an eye at i bet........
30 books a year= idiot
Don't bitch about the judges or the court sgt. Your the one putting yourself down there.
WOW.
FORGET TRAFFIC STOPS FROM NOW ON!
We'll see how long this stupid shit goes when Rahm is getting no Revenue coming into the city!
Stupid Bosses! FUCK YOU!
Da Pelon
NYPD here. We had a similar cluster fvck a few years back...but only involving victims of crimes that filed a complaint report. Our job had academy recruits ordered to stay on overtime and call vics and ask a set of questions. Looks like McParker has taken it to a new level of idiocy.
Wow. No one wants to pulled over for a traffic citation and they are actually going to believe everyone is going to be honest??
If you have a camera, please use it to dispell any lies then use it for civil action against the city and the traffic offender as needed.
Sgt 1810R:
You keep TVB'ing and burning up our places to eat in 018! Stop your pimpy bullshit and realize this is not the FOP Stars locker room! NUTJOB!
018 2nd watch
Then McGoof should give us the officers also customers survey about how do we feel about the job and the people who are above us? yeah, that would be read
The BIGGER question is who wrote the coppers kid a ticket and why??
We are allowed to give the same courtesies that other "professsions" do...doctors, lawyers give each other breaks...the media sure as hell takes care of its own...the "bosses" (what a joke) sure take care of one another...and here we have a family member getting tickets...
This job has gone to hell, and we are doing it to ourselves.
Unbelievable
1810r -yeah I know who you're talking about-Sgt. CS 1st watch-I remember seeing him in branch 25 at 26th st when he used to sandbag the p bums with their one bag drop cases and he'd load the room with them while we had to listen to his nonsense 15 times in a row putting the crowd to sleep. Now he's hammering the people who support us and burning out all the good places to eat by forcing coppers to write tickets/tvbs on some restaurant workers who take of us. Nice job Sarge-ur the best!
I was an on-duty PO in a police vehicle when we were hit by a woman who wasn't paying attention in an intersection. You guys did our traffic crash report, since we were in the city on a city street. Couple weeks later, I got one of these letters in my mailbox at my department. So an on-duty PO is supposed to rate the performance of another on-duty PO? Negative... Straight in the trash.
I would have given the officer high reviews, FWIW! Thanks for the help!
1/23/2012 11:17:00 AM
That's what you SHOULD have done. (FWIW)
Instead, you helped the number of negative responses be given more credibility. Why would you NOT send in a positive, glowing response?! Duh.
I guess I see nothing wrong with it. This is a very common type of practice in virtually all areas of business and government.
Why should policing be any different?
You cannot really change things until you have some idea of what is actually going on. I would not be surprised to find out that the majority of the surveys are filled out and returned honestly. They may not reflect what the officer involved thinks about what went on in the stop, but that is part of the point with these kind of things.
Not a cop.
1/23/2012 08:51:00 AM
You are SO naive.
When Rahm was campaigning he said he will build Police morale! LOL
1/23/2012 04:56:00 AM
He didn't lie.
He has built the morale of a HUGE number of police departments across the country.
They're all thrilled and happy that THEY DON'T WORK HERE.
Old Retired Guy Here Again........
I always thought I was very civil with traffic violators. I used to write about 12 to 15 Movers A Period. You needed to show activity, to rotate with the watch. 12 to 15 was about the norm. Many times when I went to traffic court, I was shocked at what the violators would tell the judge. They would accused me of swearing at them, which I never did, and being very discourteous. Bottom Line Is: How Much Credibility Can You Give Someone, Who Has Just Gotten A Ticket ?
1/23/2012 11:47:00 AM
Amen on that last sentence-you got people ready to turn on the first person in front of them, lie like a dog, anything anti-police - and McCrappyAccent is more concerned with this than the crime rate? Fucker. Feel for those in blue. SMH.
--No Cop Here
STOP DOING TRAFFIC. You are terribly shorthanded and shouldn't find time for nonsense anyway. When the revenue dies, they'll cave. I'd imagine if this is true, the money spent on postage and time could put a few hundred more P O's on the street, rather than trying to jackpot current Officers.
It's part of the consent decree the city is under, it is just finally becoming more apparent to the department
An officer in my unit was involved in a traffic accident recently and brought the letter you are describing that she received to show everyone. We could not believe it either. Really makes you not want to do anything.
I'm not a company man by any means. But if it wasn't for coppers making traffic stops, P.O. Clifton Lewis' killers would probably still be out there. Instead of locked up. Someone tell me I'm wrong?
So Police Officer executes a traffic stop.
Police Officer writes subject tickets.
Police Officer Impounds subject's vehicle if subject is Suspended or Revoked.
Result:
1. Those at the Daley Center; judges, attorneys, countless Cook County staffers, and city personal are employed. Not to mention those at Impound court, Assent Forfeiture court, and 26/Cal.
Police Officer doesn't write tickets...Well i guess that's one way to reduce government.
Can't wait until my parents generation are no longer in charge. TOt wasn't enough they screwed up the 60's and 80's. Now they have to screw up this era.
I guess I see nothing wrong with it. This is a very common type of practice in virtually all areas of business and government.
Why should policing be any different?
1/23/2012 08:51:00 AM
In business and government consumers pay or exchange something in return for a service unlike in policing where the equivalent of the individual consumer is having his liberties taken away from him and required to pay for service he did not request. The private sector cannot be the model for the public sector of emergency responders. You guys keep trying to make it that way but it just doesn't work
Another part of the job to micro-manage. Giving a citation is not customer service. It's enforcing the law and protecting citizens. Geez what's next.
1/23/2012 02:36:00 AM
Exactly. If they are going to increase the chances of 99% of officers receiving a bad evaluation from a citizen who got a ticket or anov, then they should make sure they write to those whose property you found, or where an offender was caught so they. An put the good letters in your personnel file.
I guess I see nothing wrong with it. This is a very common type of practice in virtually all areas of business and government.
Why should policing be any different?
You cannot really change things until you have some idea of what is actually going on. I would not be surprised to find out that the majority of the surveys are filled out and returned honestly. They may not reflect what the officer involved thinks about what went on in the stop, but that is part of the point with these kind of things.
Not a cop.
1/23/2012 08:51:00 AM
You said it all in those three little words, " not a cop".
People like you need to realize being CPD isn't just a job you clock in and out of. Being the police changes the way you think, treat people, and view things. It's not something you turn off. Much like the military, most people who really want to do the job, take this job because its something within. We can't explain it. Most of us go to work trusting our partners( who in most cases are like family) with our lives. No matter what you think, there is a lot more to this job than " writing tickets". Everything that has been done over the years is an attack on our beliefs and/or values. P/Os aren't the mindless drones that they thought we were. The politicians (brass) in this department, all the way up to the white house are scared of us and what we believe in. Therefore, their has been a constant attack on the police, and other like minded people, across the country. These surveys are just another way to systematically dismantle, divide, demoralize the this once world class department.
Those who aren't cops should be aware of what's happening. Unfortunately, the sheep dogs who keep the wolves away are being youthenized.
Deal with all the misspellings
This message is for McCarthy or whomever he delegates responsibility to for monitoring this blog: These surveys are unfair and insulting to working police officers. They don't have any impact on the lazy police who avoid all contact with the public; only the aggressive working police. This is tantamount to the mayor sending a customer satisfaction survey to any department member that you dump or move, asking if they feel that they were treated fairly. These surveys are simply further confirmation that neither you nor the mayor have our backs. Expect us to act accordingly.
to "I guess I see nothing wrong with it. This is a very common type of practice in virtually all areas of business and government.
Why should policing be any different?"
---Because unlike other Government places, THE POLICE GIVES CITATIONS, DATES TO GO TO COURT AND WE ARREST PEOPLE THAT DON'T AND ALMOST 99% DON'T BELIEVE THAT SHOULD GO TO JAIL...So, the road rager, rapists, DUIs, wife beater and thugs yeah they won't be too crazy after they spent some time in either jail, court or paying for their crime. AND LET'S NOT FORGET THE CRAZY DRIVERS...yeah, those red light runners...not so happy at all either.
Soon, enough McGoof is gonna have us like McDs and have us ask, "do you want a meal with that?" he is a total moron!
To: "They should have comment cards for the district desk crews and the police officer or detectives who answer the phones in the areas."
Hilarious! So true...real postal and crazy personalities that somehow are glorified, nice, warm and comfortable but,tend to sound like we owe them child support or something. Sometimes I feel like telling them to get laid or take a chill pill.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I guess I see nothing wrong with it. This is a very common type of practice in virtually all areas of business and government.
Why should policing be any different?
You cannot really change things until you have some idea of what is actually going on. I would not be surprised to find out that the majority of the surveys are filled out and returned honestly. They may not reflect what the officer involved thinks about what went on in the stop, but that is part of the point with these kind of things.
Not a cop.
1/23/2012 08:51:00 AM
OH SURE, I bet most people that get a ticket fill out the report something like this "I messed up. It was a real pleasure to be pulled over when I was already late. Then, when I realized that my ticket is 120 bucks, I smiled, knowing that I learned my lesson. All in all, a good experience! I rate the officer A+". You are so naive...
OH SURE, I bet most people that get a ticket fill out the report something like this "I messed up. It was a real pleasure to be pulled over when I was already late. Then, when I realized that my ticket is 120 bucks, I smiled, knowing that I learned my lesson. All in all, a good experience! I rate the officer A+". You are so naive...
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It is unlikely they will have enjoyed the experience, but that does not mean they will lie about it.
In any case, there are always two sides to these encounters. Getting a take on the other side won't hurt any.
Nice waste of time and money. They put cameras in our beat cars and can watch the event on computer. If true he or she who is wasting city money should be fired.
This has been posted since November 2011.
http://www.chicagofop.org/cpd-public-satisfaction-survey/
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