Ammo Tax
We predict Indiana and Wisconsin will see a monstrous jump in sales should this take effect, not to mention mail order places that deliver from out-of-state. Typical democrats - "let's tax the law abiding to pay for the assholes breaking the law on a daily basis!"
- An Illinois lawmaker wants gun owners to shell out extra taxes in order to finance a new grant program for trauma centers, a move firearms advocacy groups say amounts to a "sin tax" on law-abiding hunters and target shooters.
State Rep. Kelly Cassidy, in a bill introduced earlier this month, proposed a 2 percent surtax on ammunition. The proceeds would go toward a "high-crime trauma center grant fund," which would then send the tax money to trauma centers in "high-crime areas."
We'd say that downstate will help kill this bill, seeing as how they actually vote for leaders who listen to their constituents, but who knows what will happen in Illinois?
We will say that ISRA and the NRA get results though. You can join both of these fine organizations by clicking on the links on the right hand side of the blog.
Labels: gun issues
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
83 Comments:
Why in the fuck shouuld we pay an extra tax on our ammunition to help fund urban trauma centers? The assholes who are killing each other off should be taxed for THEIR ammunition. This state has gone completely NUTZZ! Who in the Hell is this Rep. Cassidy? Some numbnutz fuckhead who just wants to get her name in the paper hoping that her constituents will give her another two years to fall asleep in the General Assembly. This asshole has to be a Democrat. I can only hope this bastard, and any other legislator who votes for this garbage bill, is voted out of office. What a complete waste of fucking time!
I buy everything out of state anyways. Fuck this state. Cabela's in Hammond is right over the border and Illinois tax free. Gas is also about 40 cents cheaper.
Ah another fine example of vootin Irish......
In a slightly off-topic item.... I saw a new series of ticket books (parkers) that will be issued this week. There are increased fines for some violations, including the city sticker charge. It currently is a $120 fine. The new books have two separate charges. No sticker on a smaller vehicle is going up to $200, and if there is no sticker on larger vehicles (16,000 lbs or up), that one will set up back $500. No parking any time went up from $60 to $75. Can you imagine a $500 parker??? Brutal.
Yeah well what is wrong with that?
All the gun owners essentially pass the hat and pitch in to build trauma centers so that lil' pookie has some place to go to when he gets capped in the head.
If we have more trauma centers maybe the homicide rate will go down and I mean really..."if it just saves one child's life than isn't it worth it.." ?
Oh ...and after the trauma centers are built the cost of the doctors and medical staff can be taken from Medicaid/Medicare funds as the truly needy and elderly services get cut to pay for the savings.
/sarcasm
I have a better idea.
End this farce called the War on Drugs.
Then tax the drugs to build the trauma centers. Put an end to this entire underground economy that is overcrowding the prison systems and enriching that corporate running the privatized operations that are milking the taxpayers for all they are worth.
Tax the alderman and fine them every time someone in their ward gets shot as a penalty for not cresting conditions for a better life and future for the people that they are supposed to be representing.
Tax the mayor. How's $20,000 per homicide and $10,000 per shooting sound to you? Assign some accountability at the top and let's see how many more cameras are seen as the solution to everything.
Isn't it time that we the people tell them to just "sit down and shut up" that you work for us we don't work for you.
This borrowing of money to bailout corporations, giving them tax breaks, using the resulting bills as tools of a crisis in order to demand higher taxes, fines, fees has to stop.
The people are not responsible for Odious Debts that enrich the politico's friends. We can no longer be guilt-ed into this projection that it's the taxpayers that are the ones living beyond their means and thereby are the causes of these crises.
Government governs with the consent of the people and when the peoples interest are no longer being served that consent is liable to be withdrawn.
I think we are getting really close to that point. Look around, all the basic concepts of capitalism, law and order, the US constitution are being broken. It's like a corrupt third world country here.
it seems lately many of the things we as americans take for granted are in question or under attack.
The time is now to stand for your beliefs by making your opinion known and supporting, financially and otherwise, groups that further your goals.
Your nation and your union need you to stand up for what is right against those who would deny what has been fought for and earned by those who came before us.
A lot of mail order ammunition dealers won't ship to Illinois.
Of course you can be ABSOLUTELY certain that Illinois will try to force the ones who do to collect the tax.
Take the money out of the welfare, section 8 and food stamp program. THEN you are taxing the right people for handgun violence. Stop grimacing. You know I'm right.
ILLINOIS , It's right in your own backyard . WTF !!! I really think that when I retired & moved to another state was the best move I've ever made . They just want to TAX the shit out of all who work . Sooner or later the shit will hit the fan. Now is the time to retire & move to a different state .
tax the welfare checks not the Duck hunter. He don't shoot people unless they try to take away something he worked for.
Why don't we have a tax on toilet paper in our state capitol, our leaders are so full of shit we could collect millions on a t.p. tax!
Buy your ammo from Cabela's online. They have good deals on bulk ammo and if you fax them a copy of your police ID they will ship right to your doorstep in Chicago. I've been buying my ammo from them for years.
"High crime trauma centers" in "high crime areas." Isn't that where pieces of shit will be taken after being shot by ammunition that will be taxed?
Maybe this is a way to cut crime brought to you by a shrewd State Rep. Kelly Cassidy.
What a bunch of bullshit! If the state really wants to raise money, how about charging these moron pieces of garbage who get shot for some of their doctor/hospital bills. Deduct it from their welfare/ssi payments.
Fingerprint them in the emergency room as a means of identification. This will not identify all, but the ones who are identified will have a portion of their dole automatically withdrawn from their stipend. And who knows how many warrants will pop up and they can be also arrested.
What a nice dream.
But they won't tell people what is bankrupting Medicaid?
I already go to Cabela's in Hammond or I mail order my ammo. Whether it's sporting goods, clothing, food or other household items, Illinois gets very little of my shopping dollar.
Sounds goood to me. How many cops actually buy practice ammo? Hell, most probably spend more of their cash on golf balls than bullets.
If Obama wins another four yrs, you can kiss the u.s. Supreme court and our constitution good-bye....he will be able to replace two more retiring justices....so our gun rights will be gone...
Cassidy got Osterman's seat when he was elected alderman of 48th. She lives in Andersonville... makes me wonder why she is fronting the bill. She's not in a high-trauma area of the city.
a couple of the bigger dealers do ship to Illinois and they don't collect Illinois sales tax:
Midway http://www.midwayusa.com/
Brownell's http://www.brownells.com/
Both top-notch trusted companies and ship fast, they're located in Missouri so UPS delivers in just a couple days. There's a flat rate Haz-Mat shipping fee, so buy in bulk or combine orders with your friends. They'll need a copy of your FOID on file, so set up an account and email a photocopy of your card before ordering.
Screw these lib politicians, they know full well this is just a harassment tax. This will just result in a negative return as shooters buy outside of Illinois.
It's time to vote Kelly Cassidy out of office.
Buy ammo in Michigan haven't bought anything in Chicago for years!
"not to mention mail order places that deliver from out-of-state."
In IL there's no online ammo sales to Chicago and Cook County, period. (some other towns ban it too)
Are LEO exempt from the tax? So we can practice shooting?
Call her office at 773 784 2002
Fuck that... Get a drop box in Indiana. They'll appreciate the business.
You can email her at
repcassidy@gmail.com
I never was a member of the National Rife association but if Springfield puts an extra tax on ammo I will join the NRA.
If you want to fight this type of nonsense join 7,000 - 8,000 of your closest friends at IGOLD in Springfield on March 7th.
See igold.isra.org
Representative Kelly M. Cassidy (D)
14th District
Biography: LGBT rights activist and organizer; former legislative director for the National
Organization for Women;
former legislative aide to state Sen. John Cullerton;
former Deputy Director of Intergovernmental Affairs and Director of Programs and Development in the Cook County State's Attorney's Office;
one of only two openly gay female legislators in General Assembly; has three children.
Email: repcassidy@gmail.com
We mere mortals can't go out of state to buy ammo. There's no purchase reciprocity for anything but components for reloading. Which ain't a bad idea.
/not a cop
Great, more of my money going to the HOOD.
Can you name some dealers that won't ship to Illinois? I've had no problems with major dealers like AIM or Sportsmans Guide, though I know of one (Wideners) that won't ship to Cook County.
/23/2012 01:20:00 AM
I told you guys this 3 weeks ago.
March 1st...thats when we all get the new Books and Revenue Autocites get updated.
Revenue PEA's make this request....write the 500.00 Truck Tickets please.
Oh...the 16k LBS/500.00 ticket is for the H Truck Plate or Higher Letter Class.
Please join, all who read SCC, and tell your friends and family members to join too. Stick together. Remember, once your Constitutional Right to Keep and Bear Arms is gone, you will NEVER get it back, wheather you are an Officer or not. Further, if this happens, you young officers WILL NOT be allowed to own or carry guns off-duty. It will be just like it is in Europe now. Like your Radio, Tazer, keys to squad, etc; you will be picking your sidearm and ammo up at the beginning of your tour from the Equipment Room, and returning the gun [and ammo] when your tour is over. Don't think this is too far out. You already KNOW these Democommunist Politicians are Hell Bent on hating Cops and their guns, and as soon as they get just enough power and momentum, it WILL happen.
Please spend a few bucks and join up.
Another example of why our Forefathers got pissed and said enough is enough! All this bullshit taxation without representation. They also want to tax the strip clubs for victims of sex abuse , what is this shitty state gonna do when even more businesses' leave along with hard working people who have had enough?
So we're in the middle of a budget crisis and this is what Cassidy thinks is a priority to focus on?
OK. LOL.
How about introducing a bill that deals with budget, protects pensions or prevents State Police cuts before trotting out this *?
Would be nice if Cassidy & Crew put on the big-boy pants and stopped wasting time on this *.
A lot of mail order ammunition dealers won't ship to Illinois.
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A lot won't ship into Cook Countbecauseue there is a Chicago or Cook County ordinance banning mail order ammo sales.
In the redeye today, with all these taxes and cuts quinn is spending 3 billion more than last year.. just keep voting for the machine, ill be out of this state in two years.
How about, we charge offenders found guilty, for the hospital bills of their victims. And make them pay off the debt to society before they are released?
Just sayin
larger vehicles (16,000 lbs or up),
How are we to know how much a certain vehicle weighs?
A lot of mail order ammunition dealers won't ship to Illinois.
Of course you can be ABSOLUTELY certain that Illinois will try to force the ones who do to collect the tax.
2/23/2012 04:31:00 AM
www.ammunitiontogo.com
They ship to Illinois. Even Chicago! No joke.
That's why I will continue to buy my ammo and give my tax dollars to the State of Indiana over at Cabelas!
TAX, TAX, TAX! But don't tax the politicians!
Cook Co. Commissioner William Beavers Indicted On Tax Charges
Cook County Commissioner William Beavers was indicted today on federal tax charges for allegedly obstructing the Internal Revenue Service and failing to report all of his income, authorities said today.
Beavers is accused of not reporting as income thousands of dollars that he converted to personal use from his campaign accounts -- including more than $68,000 on one occasion -- as well as from his county discretionary spending account.
Between 2006 and 2008, Beavers paid himself more than $225,000 from three separate campaign accounts and used at least a portion of that money for personal purposes, including gambling, the indictment alleges.
In 2006, he used more than $68,000 from a campaign account to boost his city pension, and between 2006 and 2008 he used his $1,200 monthly county contingency account for personal purposes without reporting any of the funds as income on his federal tax returns, according to the indictment.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/
breaking/chi-cook-co-commissioner-william-beavers-indicted-20120223,0,6876072.story
Even Suzy Orman said don't do business in Illinois. Didn't buy a house after the academy like the rest of you hard chargers. Illinois thinks the world revolves around it and is a trendy spot. Good luck with that. Anything over 50 bucks is being spent out of state Quinn, Rahmbo KMA.
Haven't bought ANYTHING in Illinois for years!
A nice drive to Indiana or Wisconsin fills my deep freezer and pantry with dry and canned goods. Vacuum sealer can keep meats in freezer up to 2 years, just rotate your stock, same with canned goods.
The only, and I mean only things I buy here is fresh produce, gotta get my greens.
Gas, booze, food, ammo, bottled water and now soda pop added to that list, will continue to be bought ANYWHERE but here.
Illinois & Chicago politicians can fellate me, I ain't paying SHIT!
I don't care.
Anticipating this, I've accumulated 18,000 rounds that is stored at home and at my final redoubt position out of state.
I've wondered when decent Chicagoans are going to finally say fuck these politicians for some time and I realize now that that time will never come. We have been trampled on for so long. I hate this city.
Thanks to all the shithead and liberal voters in Crack County, this is a socialist state. Fuck, I just hope it isn't permanent.
Unless I HAVE to buy something in Illinois/Chicago, I avoid it. I buy all my gear for work online, and ammo in Indiana or Michigan. Screw this city. You take enough of my money as it is. Also, I'll be writing even less parking tickets now that the fines are higher. I only write people now who are blatantly a-holes who park in handicapped zones, or if I'm ordered to by a SGT.
Wisconsin is starting to look awfully good. You don't have to become a Packer fan right?
Screw these lib politicians, they know full well this is just a harassment tax. This will just result in a negative return as shooters buy outside of Illinois.
2/23/2012 08:30:00 AM
Obviously someone who's NOT a Chicago cop because if he was, he'd be fully aware that neither of the two internet retailers he mentioned ship to Chicago.
Remember dude, the majority of us here are Chicago Cops, that's why the blog and all it's postings involved Chicago Police.
That's why we pay attention to who does and does NOT ship ammunition to Chicago, let alone Crook County.
Now, since most of us here ARE Chicago cops, we should all be smart enough to find ammunition distributors who WILL ship to verified LEOs when shipping directly to their district or HQ.
To the guy who says Cabelas ships to Chicago, I'd like to know where you heard THAT one because if you call the 800 number they'll tell you flat out they WON'T ship to Chicago and they won't even ship it to the local Cabelas in Hoffman Estates for you. And local Cabelas don't ship ammunition for the internet presence. So, while there's no need to divulge how you claim they do it for you here, it suffice to say it's safe to call BS on that one.
Anyone who's managed to find an internet retailer who's fully versed in THEIR local firearm laws and could care less about fucktarded pissant little Chicago ordinances that don't apply to police, they're far better off for it.
Hey SCC, how about keeping the stupid fuckers' posts citing who DOES ship ammunition to Chicago OFF THE PUBLIC VIEW!!!
We don't need these fuckers fucking up a good thing for us because they fucking broadcast which dealers are shipping to Chicago.
We don't need Mr. Cocksucker Emanuel threatening legal actions against those few dealers who are willing to sell to us here.
You have to be aware that posting the names of retailers here is gonna fuck it up, so please kill those posts before we ALL get fucked due to some idiot thinking they're smater than the next guy here.
Next time your in Wisc picking up cheese and porno, grab a box of ammo at a great price!
There's the fix
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd/default.asp
They'll ship to Chicago. I've ordered from them before as well as Cabelas and if I remember correctly they don't care if you're the police like Cabelas does.
Who ever mentioned finger printing the clients in the ER is actually on the right path! In the event that you can not finger print to hold them accountable for free/discounted health care draw blood. Let rahm take the money from there ssi to pay court fee's/fines including parking tickets and let the state take it out of there ssi to pay for medical bills, it's seem just and the right thing to do before this state totally sinks
----A lot won't ship into Cook Countbecauseue there is a Chicago or Cook County ordinance banning mail order ammo sales.
I call b.s. cite the ordinance.
If they pass an ammo tax I will never pay it, I will go to Indiana or Wisconsin to buy my ammo by the case and look for my retirement home.
FUCK ILLINOIS!
24 robert turn ur lights on!
God how I love you guys. I am a new gun owner 75 years old and a damed good eye with 1,100 rounds tucked in my flannels.
What you young guys do is find an old retired bum like me what live in Lake or McHenry. Use your FOID and ship to us, bring a carton smokes when you pick it up. Buy a few thousand rounds by mail and save a lot
Why would anyone want to live here!
I want to start getting gas and food in Indiana. Which station(s) do you guys use and what's a good produce store? thanks
I found a Mobile on the Run 21 Gostlin St. Hammond, In. station. Seems to be right over the border, not too far of a drive into Indiana. Is that a nice one or are there better?
FYI
The unemployment checks are running out now.....so
Now there a record number of folks filing Social Security Disability claims.... the golden tuna....
It a nationwide problem.... but there votes on the line and nobody has the balls to audit anyone, specially the democrats.
Can I subsidize them killing each other faster? I'll pay for that anytime...
4:02
The old Chicago ordinance specifically prohibited selling or offering to sell ammunition to residents. The new ordinance struck out that portion. Still illegal to sell or transfer WITHIN the city without a "weapons dealers" license, which obviously only applies to inter-city sales. Online sellers don't know things have changed and just don't want to deal with it. It would help to have an official letter/memo from the cpd saying it's legal to mail-order ammo following state laws. Which of course they won't provide. Don't agree? Cite the code!!!
To the guy who says Cabelas ships to Chicago, I'd like to know where you heard THAT one because if you call the 800 number they'll tell you flat out they WON'T ship to Chicago and they won't even ship it to the local Cabelas in Hoffman Estates for you. And local Cabelas don't ship ammunition for the internet presence. So, while there's no need to divulge how you claim they do it for you here, it suffice to say it's safe to call BS on that one.
Why would I bullshit about police being able to order from Cabela's? I've done it 3 times already. My last order was 1200 rounds of their 9mm reload ammo and it arrived in the big metal dry storage ammo cases. As I stated before, I only needed to call them and tell them that I was a law enforcement officer. They had me fax over a copy of my CPD identification and FOID card. They keep that info on file so that you don't have to keep faxing it everytime you want to place another order. Once that was done they took my order right over the phone and shipped the ammo via UPS right to my doorstep. So I didn't HEAR it. I actually did it 3 times and have the ammo sitting here in my house. I am a Chicago Cop and Cabela's will ship to law enforcemnt right to their own homes in Chicago. Call them back and talk to someone who knows what they're talking about over there because you obviously talked to an idiot on the other end of the line or failed to tell him you were the Chicago Police.
Order MUST be placed through the Catalog Gun Department by calling 1-800-237-4444 ext 132 for all gun orders placed from or shipped to :
Illinois
There's the number you need to call for shipping in Illinois. They will give you the number to fax your police credentials for shipping to Chicago.
How about a domestic partner tax?
Another way to destroy the business that are left in this sorry state/county/city! we need to get rid of legislators,the 50 cowards quinn etc./..
At least Patrick Fitzgerald is back in game, "hog balls" beavers first up, next target GOD willing the daley crime family! beavers said they want john daley,and strangely old richie daley was giving a news interview yesterday,laughing like the criminal he is! Hey Richie they got John Gotti and you ain't close to John Gotti! The fun it will be when barry obama loses and Patrick unleashes all his power on the most corrupt state in the country! Thanks PATRICK FITZGERALD please keep on knocking down the bad pins!
OT: Hog Nuts!
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-cook-co-commissioner-william-beavers-indicted-20120223,0,6876072.story
"I never was a member of the National Rife association but if Springfield puts an extra tax on ammo I will join the NRA."
It'll be too late then. Don't wait until they take your rights away.
Join now!
SCC your site is messed up,way too slow loading .. It keeps stalling and won't load properly . I have seen others complain and it is bonafide .
Sabotage ?
We mere mortals can't go out of state to buy ammo. There's no purchase reciprocity for anything but components for reloading. Which ain't a bad idea.
/not a cop
2/23/2012 10:24:00 AM
I think you're wrong about that. last summer I went out to Cabellas' in Hammond, saw some ammo on sale. The only thing the salesman wanted to see was my money.
Again, going after the law abiding tax payer who don't commit the street violence with firearms. Another politician up for re-election. How about getting tough on deons with guns?
More tax in Il. just what the state needs. Our politicians are completely out of their minds. When does this madness of taxing every thing stop.? Vote these politicians out. They are incompetent. They have no clue regarding finances so they tax, tax, tax. Enough
Hands Down- without anyone close the 2 best saleman for firearms and ammo has been #1) Barak Obama #2) The Democratic Party
Congrats Illinois! You have ranked #2 behind California as the least favorite state!
2% tax just gives me more reason to "roll my own" ammo! The new tax just gives me an additional reason to go to Indiana to visit my parents. OR have dad mail-order and have it shipped to their home. WHY? cause no mail-order firearms site will ship to either CROOK county or Chicago addresses.
@2/23/12 1:47 am--well said, I hear ya brother.
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The membership fee to join the NRA or ISRA is very reasonable, $30 to $35 a year. I belong to both. These 2 organizations carry a lot of weight with politicians, and are about the only groups fighting to save our guns rights from the gun grabbers.
All gun owners (not just cops) should be members. If you don't want to join up, you can always send them a few bucks. They will put it to good use fighting people like Rahm and this idiot Cassidy woman.
If we get lazy on this, they will win. They are very patient and will never stop pushing their anti-gun agenda. We have strength in numbers.
Taken from the aimsurplus.com site:
ILLINOIS CUSTOMERS: Must have current copy of FOID card and State Photo Identification, No sales of ammunition and/or magazines to the City of Chicago.
From Able Ammo:
Ammunition Restrictions:
Chicago, IL No Ammo without a FFL
Cook County, IL No Ammo without a FFL
This is additional fuel to the fire for my post-retirement plans to leave Illinois.
"high-crime trauma center grant fund," ????
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I have an idea. Lets tax the people who create the high crime areas. And if we can't get tax money from them lets take away their entitlement benefits to pay for their activities. It will be a new experience for them, actually taking some responsibility for their actions.
>>>Hot Pursuit said...
FYI
The unemployment checks are running out now.....so
Now there a record number of folks filing Social Security Disability claims.... the golden tuna....
It a nationwide problem.... but there votes on the line and nobody has the balls to audit anyone, specially the democrats.
2/23/2012 08:25:00 PM<<<
I haven't been unemployed for more that two weeks in the last 40 years.
But, didn't the Messiah BHO and the Democrats pass an EXTENTION to UNEMPLOYEMENT CHECKS bill with the EXTENTION to the PAYROLL TAX CUT.
These were extended until AFTER the 2012 Election. Also after the 2012 Election all kinds of NEW TAXES will swarm Americans to pay for all the Socialist programs like Obamacare. Can't have the American public be confused with the issues and facts.
Anonymous said...
"I never was a member of the National Rife association but if Springfield puts an extra tax on ammo I will join the NRA."
It'll be too late then. Don't wait until they take your rights away.
Join now!
2/23/2012 10:43:00 PM
I joined two weeks ago.
To the guy that might move to Wisconsin but dosen't want to become a Packer fan-go for it. Once you get up here you will realize that the Packer organization is run the way a team should be run. Where YOU the fan is an integral part of the team. Where YOU can actually buy stock and become a part owner of the team. Where the team is consistently in the running to get to the Super Bowl. They may not make it as what happened this year, but at least they were in contention to go. They will draft quality players especially for the QB role as evidenced by picking up Rogers when they had Favre. None of the buying an aging has been and hoping that he somehow regains his youth like the Bears did with their current QB. The Packers run the team with the goal of going to the Super Bowl, not simply filling the seats in a stadium ala the Bears.
I was a rabid Bears fan when I lived in Chicago. Once you get away from that cesspool you will discover that there is life outside of Chicago and it's actually a pretty damn good life. You will soon also discover that even the sports teams in Chicago are run in a half assed manner as is everything else in Chicago. Don't be a hater. Open your eyes and give yourself and your family a chance.
Stock up! Stock up! Stock up! Another term with obahandoutsmama seems too real. So stock up before its too late. If it seems American to you stock up! Someone is trying to "change“ this gret nation of ours. Join the nra/isra they actually do work for our rights. It seem absurd we should have to lobby for our rights but its so much easier with an organization. God bless America and those sacrificing to preserve it.
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