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posted by SCC at 3:31 PM
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How convenient of the city's lying spin doctors. Check out the article in the READER by Ben Javorski.
www.chicagoreader.com
Sure! Sure!!
This will be catastrophic. Put the Raccoon in a straitjacket. This was all his idea. He's suffering from delusions of grandeur that will take a huge bite out of our asses. Cancel this clusterfuck.
I never thought of government as helpful they always seem to make life more difficult.
This is political suicide for Emmanuel. He's losing more and more support by the day, this will just be the straw.
They'll probably use the questions as their planning checklist, since they haven't planned a damn thing up to now.
I honestly feel sorry for the business owners, schools and hospitals downtown and near the lakefront. They have no information, no direction, no assistance and no idea as to what's coming.
World class city, my ass.
....And I will say it again for you dopes who don't get it. Rahm wants police officers ,,,,
1.Dead
2.Disabled
3.Fired or
4.Retired
This saves money, creates vacancies and he can hire the rev's picks and get votes. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
All I need is the number to Lovey & Lovey! Because like everyone else Im going to file suit against the city if I'm hurt! I'm just a beat cop trying to turn my life around
http://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/nato-g8-questions-and-answers/Content?oid=5634322
Time for the suburbanites to stop coming downtown and spending money. No more nightlife - stay in the suburbs. Forget the parking lots charging $40 to park.
If you work downtown - bring your lunches, do not patronize the restaurants (why pay 10.25% sales tax?). Spend your money in your own neighborhoods. Support your own municipality.
Nothing is understood unless it is economic. Hemorrhaging money from lost sales will wake up Rahm, the city council and the County.
This G8 fiasco is going to be the last straw for a lot of people.
Yep, Joravsky and Dumke did a fine job on the Reader piece. I'm surprised, but not surprised.
Another City of Chicago/Chicago Police Department outrage:
A year ago an officer on disability passes away. Prudential Insurance, at the direction of the City, pays his widow $25,000 even though the new contract called for life insurance paid for by the City in the amount of $75,000.00
The City and Mgmnt & Labor etc. refuses to pay the amount of life insurance called for in the contract to the widow.
City takes it to arbitration.
That is the wonderful City you work for, screwing a widow out of her life insurance money for her dead husband. Real nice, a good example of how good for shit our leaders are.
Now FOP waits for the arbitration hearing. An officer on disability IS covered by the contract and thus the whole life insurance amount.
Do you think they would do this if the officer were named Vanecko or Daley or Townsend?
Fucking good of shit scum bosses and scum Rahm Emanuel.
Hey reporters, pick this one up, City reneges on widow's life insurance payment to the widow of a police officer.
Don't ever take a chance for this good for shit city, they will NOT back you up and now as we learned they won't even pay off on your life insurance.
Thanks Rahm Emanuel. You just taught an entire police department some valuable lessons.
Like where you got the money to pay for a new Malcolm X College.
Commander 0f 006 is a real @$$ hole. U gotta write a to from to speak to him. Fuck that
Now that is some funni shit. Seriously tho!?
remember when we used to meet.with jodi and we thought he was going to fix things. sad news is these young bucks believed everything he said
If the fact that you have to work the G8 will make you retire then you shouldn't be on this job in the first place. This event lasts three days. Get over it. Everyone that has time enough to retire worked the bulls riots. Which included being shot at, bricks and bottles being thrown. Stop whining and crying. You are the police. Most pos I know are smart enough to handle themselves at the G8. Look at the plusses crazy overtime, and if need be the chance to your stick according to training of course.
When the shit really hits the fan, all these FFO formations and such will go right out the door. CPD will revert back to what they know best, proven in '68 and durings the Bull's riots. Sticks and gas; a lot of whoop-ass, will send everyone of the protestors running home or to the hospital. Otherwise, the city will burn. These assholes coming here are used to protesting in city's where they have been coddled. Here they won't be I'll bet. And the damage, the lawsuits and the publicity will, I hope, sink this city government that needs to be started over from scratch anyway. Only the CPD command staff will shine as they hide behind the doors of their offices during the whole thing. After all, anyone at FFO ever see anyone anyone there higher in rank than a LT (any the majority of them are from tact)?
SCC:
Could you please remove that 16 page link that slows down access to your site? Perhaps it could be replaced with a short summary. I have no problem accessing other sites.
Thank you.
We're doomed Charlie Brown!
We're still screwed dot com
Beautiful let's all send them an email, but your questions won't get answers because it will be sent as spam email... so it's useless just like our union letting the city run all over us.
Any question that you need an answered, you must refer too Step # 7. That is the solution to all your questions!
since the taxpayers will be paying for the security for the g-8. what will it do for the city? money for hot shots and for new schools, but not for the greedy cpd. by the way are any of your children benefitting from asm. or is it just the connected.
I just sent my question. If I ever get an answer, I will post it here.
SCC this is way off topic here but should be worth mentioning somewhere. shorten this post as you see fit. it's about the case of Rich Bolling, who was convicted of the reckless homicide and aggravated dui.
this case was tragic from all angles. RB's decision to drive after a few drinks; the mother and father of that kid not keeping their son indoors after curfew.
however, RB was ordered to blow to determine his b.a.c. RB was told the results could not be used against him in court. this is the second time (that i know of) that a p.o. was ordered to blow and then the results were used against him in court. i don't remember the first one, but that first one was appealed upon conviction, and i read the appellate court ruling. essentially, the appellate court ruled that it does not matter how the bac test results were obtained or that the arrested (i.e. the officer) was told the bac results could not be used against him in court. the appellate court went on to say that an arresting officer could take the arrestee to a hospital and demand a blood, urine or breath test to determine his b.a.c. the court did not say how much if any physical force could be used to obtain the bac result. the court said that because b.a.c. goes down over time, there are exigent circumstances that make obtaining b.a.c. an important task to do right away. it almost sounded like the arresting officer does not even need a search warrant to get the b.a.c. without the driver's consent.
upon reading this ruling, it made me think that this could change the whole way dui arrests are done, as far as what officers can do to get the b.a.c. from people who refuse to blow.
the other thing p.o.s should be aware of is that this case is certain proof that your so-called "administrative blow ordered by the department" b.a.c. results can be used against you in court, despite what the department tells you.
so what does this mean? don't give up your rights as a citizen when ordered to give do the breathalyzer, especially in a situation like this? better to fight for your job than for your freedom?
I don't know if RB had refused to blow would it have been harder to convict him.
again a tragic case for all involved. but can RB sue the department for lying to him about whether the results would be used against him in court? he is being sued by this kid's family. so why not.
Like him or not, RB worked many days as a p.o. in 189 wearing plainclothes, no vest, no gun, going into bad neighborhoods to buy dope as an undercover officer. no easy task if you've tried it. i am sure he will get some jail time but i hope it's not a lot.
When this is over...we should DEMAND the resignations of anyone responsible for this fiasco...
The plan in a nutshell said...
Tier one officers will be on the front lines.. so far there are 2450 tier one officers trained. Tier one officers will be working mandatory 12hr days with days off cancelled. Predictions are that the 12hour day will turn into 16 hour days. The city(feds) are already supplying and purchased about 1300 cots to provide officers who may not be able to go home and sleep. These locations are still under consideration but UIC forum and the academy look like winners so far because they both have the space and bathroom/shower facilities that can be used. The other supporting officers who participated in the one day training and are tier 2 officers will be sent to be on the outskirts of the protest. They will be guarding cars, processing on site arrests, searching, inventory property, close streets and do loop traffic control. And yes, that will be 2nd watch officers. In the districts it will be two watches also, 1st and 3rd watch working 12 hour days. early cars will be 10pm to 10am and late cars will be 11pm to 11am for midnights. third watch will work 10am to 10pm for early cars and 11am to 11pm for late cars. The 2nd watch officers are going to be bussed down by cta busses every morning at 7am and will be working till 7pm. Its going to be a long ten days for the guys with days off cancelled. Also, its very possible that this whole thing wont be starting on may 13th like everyone things. An international occupy group is attempting to assemble 50,000 occupiers to grant park on May Day, or may 1st. They plan to stay the entire month of may... then the real protesters will get here may 13th.. If there are 50,000 protesters showing up unannounced may 1st its going to be a cluster...you could see some officers not get days off for the entire month.. and they city can do it no matter what the contract says because its an "emergency".. look for 5a furloughs to be cancelled if this happens on may 1st too. hopefully not though.
2/22/2012 12:25:00 AM
Hosting this nightmare has to be the dumbest financial decision EVER!!! G8 and NATO? STUPID AND DANGEROUS!!! Hosting this event is only for selfish reasons, PERIOD. The massive cost and danger to the public, businesses, and law enforcement will be ASTRONOMICAL! Rahm and company say what a great gain this debacle will be for chicago, but I just don't see it. Chicago is already a well known city. What will this do for it? Nothing but bad things. Some businesses will not be able operate and how will their customers get in and out of downtown or park safely? We do not have the manpower to protect everyone and that is city halls fault. Everyone knows this. The cost and loss will far outweigh any positive. I read somewhere where Torano Canada spent $800 million. Rahm needs to be very hard on the violent protesters, immediately. Pain compliance is the only way. Hold no bars and make them miserable. Arrests mean nothing to them. The best place for this event is on an island somewhere where the fools can't get to. Bad times ahead for chicago.
We must all unite and get rid of this jagoff Mayor. He has shit on all of us and will continue to do so. Police, Fire, and CPS all unite and march on his home and City Hall. Start proceedings to impeach this little arrogant prick now.
The downtown public and businesses need to be very afraid. CPD has been decimated and does not have the manpower to handle this event. You guys will be alone and have to fend for yourselves. Don't trust them. If the crowd splits downtown will be done! Great idea Rahm.
And I will say it again for you dopes who don't get it. Rahm wants police officers ,,,,
1.Dead
------------------------------------------
Really ??? Really ???
Lets be careful out there!!! You do not want to get injured at work before the G8 hits town. Just think if you were IOD you would miss all the bullshit Rahm the Jagoff has created and take off most of the summer as you to do not want to return to work until you can give the city the full 100% they deserve!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Someone oughta look into how the "trainers" consist of people with an average of 7-9 yoj and have never been in situation like what's coming in May. These instructors as well as the ones that did TARA training dont know shit in the real world of policing. The only ones I say might have an inkling of an idea are those with military experience. I don't care how much book smarts you may have on crowd control tactics, mob mentality, etc. Unless you have real world experience you are NOT an authority on anything. It's no secret that these are all clout spots, ain't that right Mr. 9 Years otj that claims to have been in 5 or 6 different units in his short time otj now teaching G8 - NATO?? Nice guy no doubt, but can't make a pimple on a real cops ass. Or the chick whos PC number has an X in it. What's that make you, about 4 years otj sweetheart? All big and bad with all that time on and weighing in at a buck o five and 5'1. This department is a fucking disgrace!
I BET EVERYTHING I OWN THAT THESE "SPECIALTS" WONT BE JOINING US ON THE FRONT LINES IN MAY. ANY TAKERS??
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Would you like to discuss this in person tough guy and see how fast this nine year wonder kicks your fat out of shape ass?
2/22/2012 08:47:00 PM
Actually, I would love to discuss this in person Mr.9 year. Just submit a to-from to one of my 30 secretaries to set up a date.
Sincerely,
E.C.
Commander - 006
why did the city roll the red carpet out for this bullshit?
Hair gel this, hair gel that...Now the Old Spice/Aqua Net police will get to be on the front line again...Enjoy it.
This is getting really sad. We are the Police. This is what we do for a living. Quit your whining and comPlaining. Everything will be fine, a few bumps and bruises but a lot of good stories that will last a lifetime. The summit is coming, start getting ready. Quit the infighting and be part of the solution. The ones crying on here are scared, and I get it. I was too when bricks were shattering my squad car window during the bulls or when tabd was here in 03 and everyone saw what happened in Seattle. But I got through it and so will you. We are the police; we don't get to pick and choose are battles. This is when we earn our money and our pensions. This will show everyone why we make what we do.
A guy who has been there
To the poster who commented on r.b. u must not know your dui law. In a crash with serious personal injury or death it is not necessary for the party to consent. By state law they can do a forced blood draw which will be used for evidence in a criminal case. Not saying this man is a bad person but either way if the case was treated like it should of been he would of been screwed either way.
SCC this is way off topic here but should be worth mentioning somewhere. shorten this post as you see fit. it's about the case of Rich Bolling, who was convicted of the reckless homicide and aggravated dui.
this case was tragic from all angles. RB's decision to drive after a few drinks; the mother and father of that kid not keeping their son indoors after curfew.
however, RB was ordered to blow to determine his b.a.c. RB was told the results could not be used against him in court. this is the second time (that i know of) that a p.o. was ordered to blow and then the results were used against him in court. i don't remember the first one, but that first one was appealed upon conviction, and i read the appellate court ruling. essentially, the appellate court ruled that it does not matter how the bac test results were obtained or that the arrested (i.e. the officer) was told the bac results could not be used against him in court. the appellate court went on to say that an arresting officer could take the arrestee to a hospital and demand a blood, urine or breath test to determine his b.a.c. the court did not say how much if any physical force could be used to obtain the bac result. the court said that because b.a.c. goes down over time, there are exigent circumstances that make obtaining b.a.c. an important task to do right away. it almost sounded like the arresting officer does not even need a search warrant to get the b.a.c. without the driver's consent.
upon reading this ruling, it made me think that this could change the whole way dui arrests are done, as far as what officers can do to get the b.a.c. from people who refuse to blow.
the other thing p.o.s should be aware of is that this case is certain proof that your so-called "administrative blow ordered by the department" b.a.c. results can be used against you in court, despite what the department tells you.
so what does this mean? don't give up your rights as a citizen when ordered to give do the breathalyzer, especially in a situation like this? better to fight for your job than for your freedom?
I don't know if RB had refused to blow would it have been harder to convict him.
again a tragic case for all involved. but can RB sue the department for lying to him about whether the results would be used against him in court? he is being sued by this kid's family. so why not.
Like him or not, RB worked many days as a p.o. in 189 wearing plainclothes, no vest, no gun, going into bad neighborhoods to buy dope as an undercover officer. no easy task if you've tried it. i am sure he will get some jail time but i hope it's not a lot.
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Thank you for bringing this issue to light. And yes an administrative “blow” can be used against to in a criminal trial. If people in the department answer to the contrary, then they are either lying or are not qualified to make this intermediate level legal analysis. And, unfortunately, in certain situations, it is easier to prosecute (because of the administrative “blow”) a police officer than a civilian.
If the fact that you have to work the G8 will make you retire then you shouldn't be on this job in the first place. This event lasts three days. Get over it. Everyone that has time enough to retire worked the bulls riots. Which included being shot at, bricks and bottles being thrown. Stop whining and crying. You are the police. Most pos I know are smart enough to handle themselves at the G8. Look at the plusses crazy overtime, and if need be the chance to your stick according to training of course.
2/22/2012 05:50:00 PM
You need to do your homework. The 'event' does NOT last three days. The OVERLAP of the two events is three days. The two take up the better part of 7-10 days, with their peripheral activities.
Then, there are those pesky wallstreeters, 'occupy'ers, professionally trained protesters and the anarchist groups. THEY plan to come in May first and stay the entire month.
But, you have fun with your 'crazy overtime' check. Spend it soon, so it doesn't become part of the money you lose in a civil suit down the road.
what kind of look will their be on all the diplomats faces when the city goes up for grabs (G8 and Nato areas) but most shocking will be all the ghetto districts with their typical 20-30 people shot in 1 to 2 nights. world class city my ass.
hOW MANy cops did we lose this month? how many did we hire? yep, same song and dance. skeleton crew of a police force dont stand no chance aganst a coupld hundred thousand angry protesters
And the response you will get...Chirp,Chirp,Chirp.
Dont blame me , I voted for Chico
I've noticed that the media spin machines are running full tilt talking about how great this event is going to be for the city.
When questioned about trouble they want the people to believe that Chicago is different.
Pay no attention to the prior cities that held this event.
Why we have the FBI, the Secrete Service, DHS, etc. Damages to property and business?... ha they say..with all this added security you would have to be a fool they say. If anything at all happens bad it will be very minimal. They say.
Yeah, isn't that what all the other cities said prior to their hosting of the summits?
Like we're supposed to believe Chicago is different.
Yeah all those other cities were dumb and did not also have the FBI, and DHS and the Secrete Service at their disposal and it did not make a difference in stopping the mass chaos.
Yeah right, we're different...ha tell it to the Sweeney!
However, that said even some of the radio talk shows, Conservative in nature, that mock and ridicule the Occupier protestors non-stop have recently changed their tune whereas a line of communications is attempted to be opened up -- not cut off with the traditional "we're out of time we have to move on to the next caller" b.s..
The other day an Occupy protestor was given what seemed like an unheard of 15 minutes of air time talking about the NDAA which then led into a sell job from the talk show host that any G8 protest should be non-violent. They don't even get it. They're preaching to the wrong people.
Anyone else notice that?
The fact that some of these corporate run media propaganda machines are no longer ignoring the protestors?
We'll have to see how long it lasts.
I see it as an attempt to pacify people that are sympathetic to the Occupiers cause hoping that it will suppress the G8 anger. Not that I am hoping for violence just that history has proven that it's inevitable. All it's gonna take it one bottle throwing protestor or one out of control baton swinging cop to paint the either side as the evil doers. The media loves this shit.
Here are the choices of how the Chicago Police Department will be perceived after the G-Money 8/Nato:
1. The inept pension-grubbing cops who wouldn't/couldn't protect the citizenry and property of the people who pay their salary.
2. The unnecessarily violent, sadists who went rogue despite the City Father's best attempts to reign them in.
This mayor TRULY lives by the tenet of never letting a crisis go to waste. REGARDLESS of our actions, this will be spun to paint us negatively and your future benefits, salary, quality of life WILL suffer. There is no way for the CPD to win this and there is no way for the Mayor to lose...when the media is in his pocket.
Can we collect scalps?How about ears?
The most important thing is do not loose and stay with your partner ALL THE TIME !! Protect and watch each other's back.
I do believe that a few Officers are going to get hurt. But, as long a we stay TOGETHER and be ALERT!! We are going to be okay. Bring some water bottles, power bar snacks, and sanitary wipes (if you get hit by urine / feces, or spit at).
Forget those jag offs who will be trashing businesses and flipping / burning CIVILIAN vehicles. Those owners won't be answering for you comes lawsuit. Just back each other up. If you and I get thrown by urine or get spit at, these motherfuckers better expect what's coming for them.
Stay safe
Some kool-aide-aholic said...
"This is getting really sad. We are the Police. This is what we do for a living. Quit your whining and comPlaining. Everything will be fine, a few bumps and bruises but a lot of good stories that will last a lifetime. The summit is coming, start getting ready. Quit the infighting and be part of the solution. The ones crying on here are scared, and I get it. I was too when bricks were shattering my squad car window during the bulls or when tabd was here in 03 and everyone saw what happened in Seattle. But I got through it and so will you. We are the police; we don't get to pick and choose are battles. This is when we earn our money and our pensions. This will show everyone why we make what we do."
A real cop said...Hahaha. Are you the President of the Insane Clout Posse or what? Most wipes like you never get it until AFTER they are laying on the gurney after the heart attack, or sitting at the console at call back or filing their going no-where appeal of the crooked police board's ruling. Rahm wants current CPD gone.GONE! You will be under the microscope at G8. Work and they will OFF you.Dead-Fired-Disabled-SUED- Charged. HANDS OFF THE PROTESTERS!!!!! You idiot. Watch the city BURN. THAT IS ALL.
Does anyone know what will happen with the Saint Jude march?
Are we going to be able to honor our own? Or is it in the plans to sh*t on them too?
Thank you for bringing this issue to light. And yes an administrative “blow” can be used against to in a criminal trial. If people in the department answer to the contrary, then they are either lying or are not qualified to make this intermediate level legal analysis. And, unfortunately, in certain situations, it is easier to prosecute (because of the administrative “blow”) a police officer than a civilian.
2/23/2012 01:20:00 AM
Just so you're all clear, the law says that ANY driver involved in an accident with ANY personal injury or death MUST submit and that a hospital can take blood even if the driver doesn't want to. So bottom line, don't drink and drive. If no injury, take your lumps administratively, but again, don't drink and drive in the first place.
hahah..don't worry nothing is going to be all right.. Rahm has all that security at his disposal. The DHS, Secrete Service, FBI...the media outlets on radio are telling us it's all cool, this is Chicago and we're different. What problems?
Meanwhile we have this going on...
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Case closed? Courtrooms may be shut during NATO, G-8 summits
Civil courtrooms at the Daley Center — part of the nation’s second-largest court system — could be closed for security reasons in the days surrounding the NATO and G-8 meetings, officials said Wednesday.
Temporarily shutting down the courtrooms would be a “smart move” to keep judges, jurors and attorneys safe, said Frank Bilecki, a spokesman for the Cook County Sheriff’s office, which provides security for the Daley Center’s courtrooms.
One of the first protest permits issued by the city sets the stage for a massive march May 19 from the Daley Center’s plaza to McCormick Place, where President Barack Obama and other world leaders will meet May 19-21.
“There are discussions about closing the courtrooms at the Daley Center. It would be a smart move for security reasons — not just for the staff, but for people who have court cases, have jury duty and those who have to come and testify,” Bilecki said.
“If the protesters are going to be set up downtown and there’s an incident and people can’t get to their court cases or people can’t get there to provide a fair and impartial jury, it can delay a court case and cause problems. Parking and public transportation could be impacted. Maybe the better decision is to close the courts for a few days,” Bilecki said.
more >> http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/10811118-418/case-closed-courtrooms-may-be-shut-during-summits.html
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Yeah. so safe that they have plans to potentially shut down the entire civil court system.
I understand the frustration of guys without the city, and telling people not to buy stuff here, but remember that when you want a raise. You can't have it both ways, complaining about no raise then telling people nit to bring revenue in.
11: 19pm. Officer, normally i would agree with you. I worked the DNC, bulls riots, and tabd. Worked the overtime and enjoyed the comraderie with my fellow officers. Those days are gone. We had over 13, 200 po's and our pay and pensions were not under attack by joe public or the tyrant we have presently as mayor. We went downtown, for the transatlantic business dialouge (tabd), the isreali conference, DNC, The bs with the bulls, with the knowledge our neighborhoods had plenty of police coverage and with the dignity and pride of being the best police department in the world. Now with the deliberate tearing down of morale and respect, once afforded our office and the knowledge that the mayor and his alderminions have made our pay, benefits and pensions a negative political issue, it gets hard to work oneself up to the rah rah...bring it...phase of wanting to be part of idiotic rahm made history. we swore an oath to serve and protect, the citizens of this city. I know rahm wouldnt have the balls to be on the front lines, which makes it a great opportunity to give the mayor and his alderminions, a big fuck you, for the lack of support and the attacks on our livelihood and show the world, why CPD is the best in the world.
To 07:52 pm,
Regarding using your BAC (obtained per an order and after being given administrative rights) in a criminal trial,
I don't know what the correct answer is to this, but since the courts say it can be used in a criminal trial, then why doesn't the FOP insist that the officer also be given his criminal rights at the same time. Wouldn't this stop all ensuing interviewing and require a blood test at a hospital???
Changes the complexion of the situation and puts the supervisors right out there in the open for future court testimony , depositions and lawsuits.
I don't know, just a thought, I truthfully don't know how dui's are handled, been in the youth divi idiom for years.
Actual email inquiry :
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Where do I send in my claim forms?
Does it take long to settle with the city for my injuries and damage claims? Do I have to hire an attorney? Can J-G Wentwerth represent me if I'm not from chicago?
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Hosting this nightmare has to be the dumbest financial decision EVER!!! G8 and NATO? STUPID AND DANGEROUS!!! Hosting this event is only for selfish reasons, PERIOD. The massive cost and danger to the public, businesses, and law enforcement will be ASTRONOMICAL! Rahm and company say what a great gain this debacle will be for chicago, but I just don't see it. Chicago is already a well known city. What will this do for it? Nothing but bad things. Some businesses will not be able operate and how will their customers get in and out of downtown or park safely? We do not have the manpower to protect everyone and that is city halls fault. Everyone knows this. The cost and loss will far outweigh any positive. I read somewhere where Torano Canada spent $800 million. Rahm needs to be very hard on the violent protesters, immediately. Pain compliance is the only way. Hold no bars and make them miserable. Arrests mean nothing to them. The best place for this event is on an island somewhere where the fools can't get to. Bad times ahead for chicago.
2/22/2012 08:04:00 PM
I'm from "Torano, Canada" and I'd like to clear up some misconceptions.
Firstly, the bill was over $1B, with 10% of that earmarked for cottage country (Huntsville, Ontario, a few hours outside Toronto) which was supposed to be the original site. The Prime Minister's closest ally represents that community, and even while knowing the area was too small to host the conferences, new hotels were built, holes went into the ground to improve infrastructure, and eventually they moved the whole thing to Toronto (as punishment for being a socialist/left-voting city that doesn't mesh well with our western Conversative leadership). Kickback central. Hundreds of millions were spent on sonar devices, helicopters, concrete barriers, fencing, FAKE LAKES in the middle of a hotel lobby... all items that have not been used since by any public agency in Canada and sit in storage. This is very likely a tie-in to Canada's increased spending on military vehicles over the last couple years... there was a plan to buy a bunch of fancy new gadgets and the G20 was the perfect opportunity to shift some of the costs around. The security budget was panned across Canada as being excessive and unnecessary.
The torched cop cars, broken storefront windows, and similar sources of panic were manufactured by police officers bused in from other provinces and cities. This was able to be proven, as photos and videos of the "rioting" show the rioters wearing the exact same Canada-wide regulated cop footwear in each instance, and there was a curious lack of arrests. Aside from the bulk of the damage committed by cops, all in all, there was a few million dollars in property damage committed by protesters... hardly the widespread pandemonium predicted here. And Canadians LOVE to protest and we sometimes get violent about it.
Now, the city, police force, and Federal government are being sued left, right, and centre, for clear abuses of our Charter rights and freedoms, including but not limited to, unlawful detainment, unlawful search and seizures, sexual harassment and threats of forcible sexual assault, and regular, generic assault (there have been some convictions already for this and settlements paid out).
My advice is to cover your ass. Better yet, call in sick because it is a guarantee that you will be asked to abuse and target undeserving citizens to justify the security bill. That is, if you're not paid to cause some damage yourself.
Hosting this nightmare has to be the dumbest financial decision EVER!!! G8 and NATO? STUPID AND DANGEROUS!!! Hosting this event is only for selfish reasons, PERIOD. The massive cost and danger to the public, businesses, and law enforcement will be ASTRONOMICAL! Rahm and company say what a great gain this debacle will be for chicago, but I just don't see it. Chicago is already a well known city. What will this do for it? Nothing but bad things. Some businesses will not be able operate and how will their customers get in and out of downtown or park safely? We do not have the manpower to protect everyone and that is city halls fault. Everyone knows this. The cost and loss will far outweigh any positive. I read somewhere where Torano Canada spent $800 million. Rahm needs to be very hard on the violent protesters, immediately. Pain compliance is the only way. Hold no bars and make them miserable. Arrests mean nothing to them. The best place for this event is on an island somewhere where the fools can't get to. Bad times ahead for chicago.
2/22/2012 08:04:00 PM
You are Right! But, T.P. - you are safe inside HQ working "special events" and won't be involved.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-g8-chicago-summit-image-20120126,0,2847981.story
This story was in the Trib about a month ago. Basically it is setting the stage for the police to be blamed for everthing that goes wrong! A "black mark" on the city as it says in the article
Stop the infighting and wake up to the fact that the union has made their point about tour starts greater than 2 hours. The AquaNet police are happy to jump in the barrel to protect the contract, some of us remember what it was like before there was one. Now everybody get ready to work 12 hrs each day needed, get your childcare &family issues squared away, and don't forget that the dept has the right to manage manpower to balance the watches as needed. Welcome to 2nd watch for month of May!
Anonymous said...
This is getting really sad. We are the Police. This is what we do for a living. Quit your whining and comPlaining. Everything will be fine, a few bumps and bruises but a lot of good stories that will last a lifetime. The summit is coming, start getting ready. Quit the infighting and be part of the solution. The ones crying on here are scared, and I get it. I was too when bricks were shattering my squad car window during the bulls or when tabd was here in 03 and everyone saw what happened in Seattle. But I got through it and so will you. We are the police; we don't get to pick and choose are battles. This is when we earn our money and our pensions. This will show everyone why we make what we do.
A guy who has been there
2/22/2012 11:19:00 PM
Well said!! I still think the city is screwed, but well said.
I could care less about this G8 bull. I'm on 1st watch, and I'll be getting lots of rest working all night long.
Like him or not, RB worked many days as a p.o. in 189 wearing plainclothes, no vest, no gun, going into bad neighborhoods to buy dope as an undercover officer. no easy task if you've tried it. i am sure he will get some jail time but i hope it's not a lot.
Um sorry to say but he was on my team at one point for a short time and he was a dog ass. He care more about working out than doing his part on the team. That being said I agree about the administrative blow issue. Why are we subject to giving up our constitutional rights. And don't give me the "we are gel to a higher standard bullshit either" we are but that does not mean we have to give up our rights..It will be very interesting how this plays out in the Appellete Court..
All I hear on here is a bunch of crying and whynning. Stop bitching, this is what we do, we get paid to protect the city. Everyone here that's bitching about the city going down in flames are simply scared. Instead of whynning and bitching, we should be adding up all that OT where gonna make. If your worried about lawsuits, then that means 1-your scared 2- you must not know what to do and when to do it. This is what's wrong with this department, instead of us showing some unity to get thru these summits were all here talking shit to each other. Hair gel this, hair gel that, the bulls rights this, the bulls rights that. What you old timers don't say is that during the bulls riots the department was 1300-1400 thousand strong if not more. I know I'm gonna be tired and maybe bruised but I'ma enjoy all that overtime money I'ma juice this fucking city for. Stop all the bullshit bickering between us and all get ready to take this shit by the horns.
How did Rahm get in? Everyone I talk to voted for the other guy.
"Hair gel this, hair gel that, the bulls rights this, the bulls rights that. What you old timers don't say is that during the bulls riots the department was 1300-1400 thousand strong if not more."
2/23/2012 01:40:00 PM
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Shut up Hair Gel bitch.
Don't type after you've been drinking for the past 6 hours since you checked off from 1st Watch this morning.
If the anarchists among the protesters had any real concept of how to send their message to the government, corporate moguls and shady and incorrigible politicians they would focus their message and destructive activities on the money in this City and not the cops. The business community, the hotel industry, commerce and financial companies will eat Rahm and those he suckles alive if their places get broken up, looted and/or burned. The City’s event organizers are hoodwinking the people in those industries that ALL WILL BE WELL. Remember that twit Healy’s words? You need to stop all the negative thinking… just think positive? Really? Think happy thoughts and the businesses won’t get a Molotov through their window and the looters will only window shop. The anarchists shattering the businesses would be a devastating blow to this City’s government and the sitting politicians. Rahm would be run out by the power that the business and corporate world hold in this City, the very people he wants to get his fortunes from.
Wow! This article will blow your mind and send you conspiracy theorists running for your tinfoil hats and newspaper clipping panic rooms.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/17/calorie-shaper-underwear-japan_n_1100053.html
Don't say I didn't warn you
All I hear on here is a bunch of crying and whynning. Stop bitching, this is what we do, we get paid to protect the city. Everyone here that's bitching about the city going down in flames are simply scared. Instead of whynning and bitching, we should be adding up all that OT where gonna make. If your worried about lawsuits, then that means 1-your scared 2- you must not know what to do and when to do it. This is what's wrong with this department, instead of us showing some unity to get thru these summits were all here talking shit to each other. Hair gel this, hair gel that, the bulls rights this, the bulls rights that. What you old timers don't say is that during the bulls riots the department was 1300-1400 thousand strong if not more. I know I'm gonna be tired and maybe bruised but I'ma enjoy all that overtime money I'ma juice this fucking city for. Stop all the bullshit bickering between us and all get ready to take this shit by the horns.
What a dumb ass! And you wont take away my favorite thing in the world to do.... making fun of clout puppy hair-gells. YOU get paid to protect the city...I will point them right to daley and rahms house. Goof.
. If your worried about lawsuits, then that means 1-your scared 2- you must not know what to do and when to do it.
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Once again, another knownothing little child who drinks the Academy Kool Aid thinks he knows what's what and everyone else is wrong.
Listen up child, it's readly apparent that in your limited BS time on this job that you've been sheltered away from scumbag lawsuit money grubbers who lie on the police to get paid with their connected attorneys. Come back and smart off when you've got a few years on the job and you've been sued by a fuckstick ghetto rat who decides today's the day they're gonna get paid by lying on the police since they got their homies to line up with their lies for the cash.
Grow up fucktard, you don't know shit because you've never BEEN in shit. You've obviously never been involved in a fucking thing other than your BS academy spot or some other fucked up unit or district where you've never done a fucking thing or faced a cocksucker like Emanuel who's got lawyer buddies to feed at YOUR expense.
Get sued civily fucktard for shit you've never done. Go get judged by 12 "peers" of the ghetto who're salivating at the chance to fuck over yet another cop because they locked up their brother or wrote them a fucking ticket.
Go learn what's REAL about this job dipshit before you go quoting your fucked up Kool Aid bullshit you just learned at the academy.
Then go be the first one to get your fucking ass kicked downtown while we all laugh at you.
To 2/23/2012 10:47:00 AM
Thanks for the laugh--I needed that.
"Hair gel this, hair gel that, the bulls rights this, the bulls rights that. What you old timers don't say is that during the bulls riots the department was 1300-1400 thousand strong if not more."
2/23/2012 01:40:00 PM
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Shut up Hair Gel bitch.
Don't type after you've been drinking for the past 6 hours since you checked off from 1st Watch this morning.
hahahahaa Hey Hair Gel bitch,,,
go get em' and remember everythings legit.
Listen to those of you who are nervous about the summits, DON'T BE! This is going to be fun. Come on, we all had fun at the bulls riots and tabd and dnc convention remember this. Yes it's going to be dangerous but it's still going to be fun. Remember that. I don't like having to work 12 hours but I'm happy to make some OT. Just stick together. This will be great. You'll see.
That being said I agree about the administrative blow issue. Why are we subject to giving up our constitutional rights. And don't give me the "we are gel to a higher standard bullshit either" we are but that does not mean we have to give up our rights..It will be very interesting how this plays out in the Appellete Court..
It already has
I understand the frustration of guys without the city, and telling people not to buy stuff here, but remember that when you want a raise. You can't have it both ways, complaining about no raise then telling people nit to bring revenue in.
Didn't get much when shortshanks leased the skyway, parking meters and didn't contribute to the pensions either
Well just remember, Torches and Pitchforks.. been protecting Patriots from tyranny since 1776…
Shut up Hair Gel bitch.
Don't type after you've been drinking for the past 6 hours since you checked off from 1st Watch this morning.
2/23/2012 03:17:00 PM
Relax Francis.
He has a point. That shit gets annoying. So you shut the fuck up for once.
To 07:52 pm,
Regarding using your BAC (obtained per an order and after being given administrative rights) in a criminal trial,
I don't know what the correct answer is to this, but since the courts say it can be used in a criminal trial, then why doesn't the FOP insist that the officer also be given his criminal rights at the same time. Wouldn't this stop all ensuing interviewing and require a blood test at a hospital???
Changes the complexion of the situation and puts the supervisors right out there in the open for future court testimony , depositions and lawsuits.
I don't know, just a thought, I truthfully don't know how dui's are handled, been in the youth divi idiom for years.
I think the real solution to this problem is, changing the rules and regulations of the Police Department. If someone proposes a change to the rule "Drunk, on or off duty" to "Drunk on Duty", IAD would not be able to give you a direct order to blow and in turn you could not get fired for a refusal. And in turn, it would not be used against you in any criminal proceeding. Am I wrong? maybe the unions should band together and try to get this changed, because it affects everyone. Just a thought.
All I need is the number to Lovey & Lovey! Because like everyone else Im going to file suit against the city if I'm hurt! I'm just a beat cop trying to turn my life around
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You are going to need an 8th grade cap and gown picture as well as a big rattan feather next to it picture. That's how you show you are turning it around!
We have ALL Been assured that this is Good For Chicago, How??? Rahm doesn't know, he just says it is... Then why are many Businesses,Courts,Banks, College(s)closing their doors during the G8/Summit? Is it possible they watched these events take place in other cities and saw the damage that insued? Strapped for Cash Already, having just raised the debt ceiling in recent months... But Rahm says we will help those buis. affected by the summit. Rahm, You Know you are Full of "Shit, Right? So if you arrived home and found sewage filling up in your basement... Do you 1) Raise the roof? or 2) Pump out the shit? Shit=Rahm just in case there was any doubt!!
La Lee la lawdee laa...Sunshine,Flowers and Unicorns..La Lee la....Look the other way while I steal from the City of Chicago Pension Funds..
Uhhmm, where do the volunteer patriotic citizen "bust a hippie in da mouth brigade" report. Can't wait to catch one of those little black bandanna wearing pussy little fucks to throw a gas bomb. Good times.
1:19 AM : There s no way someone is going to force a blood draw on me without someone's blood being spilled. I don't understand the mindset of a "forced blood draw",unless the person is knocked the Fu**** out!
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