CompStat Continues to Fail
With numbers like these, shouldn't the media be picking up on something?
- A 15-year-old boy along with eight others were injured in separate shootings in less than eight hours across Chicago, police said.
What is this, March? Yes, the weather has been warm, but the regularly scheduled "spring offensive" that usually follows a long winter stint indoors has just been continuation of the fall battles that saw aggravated batteries and homicides rise during September, October, November and December.
Now we're looking at a March that will probably top 200 shootings by a wide margin and set a few records. CompStat isn't doing anything to stop shootings and we're getting all sorts of crazy info on these "violence zone" initiatives in 007 and 011 that we can't believe.
We have reached the top of a very steep hill where manpower is concerned and even a hiring wave like the early 1980s or mid 1990s would still put us half-a-year from adequate staffing. And that's half-a-year past the NATO summit, a possible Bulls celebration, another 400-plus retirements, and what looks like a bloody summer.
posted by SCC at 7:02 AM
72 Comments:
They don't call it March Madness for nothing...
Let's be careful out there.
About 30 people shot in 007 in the last 4 or 5 days.
Just to let everyone know I went to Shave's site yesterday and my Kaspersky Internet Protection popped up VIRUS. Took me over 20 minutes to restart my computer.
Its just drizzling wait till it starts pouring! Brothers stay safe out there wait for backup and let the chips fall. Lets make sure we take care of each other.
OT
I found a bunch of money to hire more police! Since we didn't spend it on potholes, salt and shoveling snow this year we should have a few millions laying around.
It should at least help with the next contract.
Anyone else want a drag of my special cigarette?
Things in 7 suck, guess what they have always sucked. Only upside is watching bubblehead try to keep up with Leo to ensure nobody else can stick their head up his ass.
Hey, Garry
NYPD official (IP#206-212-164-xxx)computers are regularly monitoring this blog site as recently as right now.
Tell us about your 10-13 on St. Patrick's Day in the 46th Pct.
The City doesnt hire any new PO's, so there is no internal promotions to Det's and SGT's.......
cant promote because we have no PPO's to fill in behind.......
pension suffers because we have less people paying in......
sucks
So sick of the City using the economic and budget crisis as an excuse not to hire. They've been crying no money since '09. The City just saved tons of money from the extra mild winter, just read that they only used half of the budgeted amount for salt and snow removal.
where's the 250 new hires the Mayor promised funded by TIF's?
HIRE more cops!
O.T. Kinda of ........How about someone taking Phather P on a ride along maybe he could reason with his flock to lay down their weapons instead of trying to bully K-Mart
Truer words were never spoken. This year has the potential to be one of epic proportions. All of the gains that we have made over the past decade could be washed away in one fell swoop. We could be looking at 600+ homicides (that's what we call a murder around here Gar). We haven't seen numbers like that since '03. And what if it gets really bad, could we be looking at numbers like back in the '90s? 800+ homicides? It is totally in the realm of possibility. Honestly, I don't want to see that, and I am sure my fellow brothers and sisters feel the same. We are honorable men and women, professional and courageous. We do this for a reason. We may seem cold, callous and cynical, but we don't wish to see people getting killed around us, especially kids. Quite trying to re-invent the fucking wheel! Get back to basics, free up beat cars to patrol their beats, us rapids and incident cars to handle the in-progress shit, get tact back to being tact and hunting down the bad guys, get gangs focused on gangs and not just being a head hunter unit, use intelligence to actually collect, corellate and disseminate information, let detectives do thorough, complete investigations, and for the love of Christ, start promoting some competent, knowledgable, worthy LEADERS, not just a bunch of clouted political hacks, kiss-asses and aldercreatures famo. Then, and only then will you see the true potential and pride that this department is fully capable of. Garry, you are not the smartest man in the world of Law enforcement, and once you realize that and accept that your Con-stat is just a sham, you will finally be saved. Till then, enjoy the bloodbath, because there is nothing your little meeting is going to do to stem the flow of blood.
O.T. Heard there is a petition going around for po's to sign to end merit promotions. Anyone know where we can sign it? West side district here.
Oh no no no... Say it aint so! You mean all that Comstat BS isnt working?
Wait the "Violent zones" aren't working?? Wtf! What about all the extra resources in 007?? How can this be?? What about LEO??!! Holy shit!!! Now what?? 75 degrees 2day?? Oh shiiiiiiiiit... we're fucked!!! Plan B must be to build morale with the few police we have on the frontlines day in and day out and wait...maybe HIRE more!! Easy fix dumbasses!! Its not the solution but it can help stop the bleeding!! The animals are waking up, and its only March!! lmao....think about it.. May and June are coming
add this to it too:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-2-teens-found-shot-in-west-englewood-alley-20120314,0,1696498.story
Good morning 2nd City Cop,
I was wondering if anyone had any concrete numbers regarding hiring vs attrition, I am currently doing a graduate paper regarding Chicago Police hiring. I am not a CPD. I don't think that should matter, I am addressing an issue regarding your safety. I would rather not have to deal with any BS comments. Can someone lead me to a site, documentation, the CPD Website has the numbers from 2010 on there only.
Thanks
AUDIO ON!
Listen to the interchange between NYPD P.O. Adrian "Son" SCHOOLCRAFT and Brooklyn North Chief Michael Marino during the home invasion in which "CONstat" whistleblower Schoolcraft was hauled off against his will to the PSYCH ward at a Queens hospital for SIX (6) days. In NYPD lingo, an "EDP" is an Emotionally Disturbed Person and a "bus" is an ambulance. Click on:
SCHOOLCRAFT KIDNAPPING BY NYPD
I submit that if there is an "EDP" involved here, it certainly wasn't a lucid and rational Adrian Schoolcraft.
If you would like to hear the entire 30 minute audio and read $choolcraft's amended 61 page 42 USC 1983 federal First Amendment complaint, click HERE
Finally, in a newly released book, retired NYPD captain John Eterno and Eli Silverman expose CompStat as a FRAUD in which bosses are intimidated to "cook the books" on UCR Part I index crimes. Click HERE
NYPD retaliation against Schoolcraft was brought to light by alternative media's Village Voice award-winning reporter Graham RAYMAN.
I just got off the phone with Mr. Rayman. If Chicago media or CPD with verifiable information wish to contact him (he assures confidentiality), you may eMail him at
GRayman@VillageVoice.com He only asks that you enter the word "CHICAGO" as the first word in the subject line in order that he avoids spam
Mr. Rayman reads SCC.
CompStat & CAPS. the dept needs to start using other words that don't begin with the letter C.
Hey lupes get back on that early car!
Notice the media never questions a thing
Where are the speed trap cameras for the schools so we can save the children? /sarcasm.
How many kids where stuck by cars in the last 24 hours in school zones or near parks?
How man kids were shot in the last 24 hours?
THE MAYOR IS FULL OF SH_T AND THE TAXPAYERS KNOW IT!
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2 teens shot on way to school in West Englewood
By Deanese Williams-Harris Tribune reporter
9:13 a.m. CDT, March 14, 2012
Two teens on their way to school were shot this morning in a vacant lot in the West Englewood neighborhood on the South Side.
The boys, ages 15 and 16, were walking through the lot in the 6700 block of South Wood Street about 7:40 a.m. when two other teens approached, according to Police News Affairs Officer Robert Perez. One of them pulled out a gun and opened fire, he said.
The 15-year-old was shot in the side and taken to Comer Children's Hospital, police said. The 16-year-old was hit in the thigh and taken to Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn. Fire officials said their conditions were stable
more >> http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-2-teens-found-shot-in-west-englewood-alley-20120314,0,1696498.story
You can't enrich your clouted friends with city contracts by hiring more police officers for the beat.
OT: We can't get a range to shoot in the area of the Bald Eagles, but if you are a Native American you can shoot Bald Eagles? This country is upside down and inside out!
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/03/14/wyoming-native-american-tribe-gets-rare-permit-to-kill-bald-eagles/
Welcome to the bloody spring Sanctuary City Showcase don't forget to serpentine -- Mayor Rahm presiding, the signs outside the airports should read.
Hey! We have a new tote! Eleven shot in the last 12 hours!
Can we make it 12 in 13 hours?
If their aim was a little better or the intent a bit more hostile we're this > < close to having 11 murders in the last 12 hours.
But...Oh-no don't look at the shootings. No, look at the response times that are down because we have no snow on the ground. All the media outlets are bragging about it you know.
Don't look at the connection between the mayor and the speed trap camera company. No, no-no..look at that Rep Smith that took a bribe.
Timing is everything.
Are the E-R's in this "world class city showcase" on bypass yet?
Robber hits Wicker Park bank
a man who said he had a gun robbed a Chase Bank branch this morning in the city's Wicker Park neighborhood.
Police were alerted shortly before 9:30 a.m. to the bank located at 1230 N. Milwaukee Avenue, police said.
The robber said he had a gun, but did not pull a weapon out, officials said.
more >> http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-robber-hits-wicker-park-bank-20120314,0,194247.story
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Oh come on now. Let's stop sensationalizing things.
This is obliviously just an undocumented withdrawal and not a so-called robbery.
Let's just do a deal like the banking exec's do. We'll ask him to return the money and he doesn't have to admit or deny anything and we can all move along...assuming he gets caught.
/sarcasm
C'mon SCC it's a Tuesday everyone knows Tuesdays are violent. Now its wed. And I just saw two more shot in englewood( hells Kitchen) I bet Rick flair is out running wild someone is getting put in a figure four before noon today. Whooooooo. Oh well maybe the speed cams will catch the gunman running throu the safe scool zone.
In the 004th we have that box but that ain't good enough so we split that box into 4 quardrants and a car MUST in a quadrant at all times.....no excuses....yet the other area get dick........
"CompStat isn't doing anything to stop shootings."
"CompStat isn't doing anything to stop shootings."
"CompStat isn't doing anything to stop shootings."
We got to spell it out with blocks?
Pull a dumpster up to the side of the building and get busy throwing CompStat out the f__ing window.
When that is done, let's try police work.
We really would be better off with call boxes at this rate. This never was about technology or "managers" or "management systems." It's about putting good people on the street and letting them do their jobs.
It will take OVER 6 months for the "adequate staffing" to even reach us. 6 months, and the FIRST 50 – 100 will hit the streets. If Howard “the Coward” gets things up and running the right way, we’ll get 100 – 150 out on the street every month. It’s going to take a lot longer than 6 months; it’s going to take a lot longer than a year, a year and a half to patch the manpower hole we have. Figure, at the minimum, 2 and a half years, and that’s not including the number that’s going to retire in that time.
That’s only IF we get the funding from Rahm. Speaking of funding, where’d all of that federal money for new recruits go to? You know, the $$ that j-fraud allegedly got for us…
I need (zone) relief!
Anonymous said...
Traffic cop wrote p.o. on his way to work sunday....his initials are S.F.....what a jagoff!
he is a citywide unit...3200 series...TOTAL STROKE!!...and yes its true...HE DID IT!!..
is it true that a citywide traffic unit assigned to the southside irish parade wrote a fellow c.p.d. brother a ticket on his way to work?....are you kidding me?..who is this asshole?.....does anyone know if this is true?
fop..fop..where are you???its nice to see you during elections years..
Anonymous said...
That traffic officer.....and I use the term very very loosely needs to be outed. What his name. If this was back in the day he woulda got his ass whooped. I disgrace!
his initials are S.F.....he is a citywide unit...he also wrote retired Commander Bob Evans' daughter a ticket last year....OH YES HE DID!!
This strategy for fighting crime is in serious trouble. I know when it comes down to it it a political game with the blue shirts caught in the middle. "Do more with less", is the theory. The only problem I have with this is the safety issue. If I call for help on a footchase (which I hardly ever do nowadays) I can expect a limited response because I know some of the assist cars are in the ZONE. WAKE UP 3510 S. MICHIGAN. Quit letting people who never worked the street in a high crime area tell you how the make this crap work. As you can see its not working. OH, IT'S NOT EVEN HOT YET!!!
I have the answer but nobody in command wants to listen. Hire more police, support the workers, support pro-active policing, fuck with the dog asses that make us all look bag, continue cleaning up the gangster copper problem, fuck with the pattern weekend medical roll schmucks, show the working police that you have their back = solution - increased morale, more safe work environment, more teamwork, appreciation for a job well done flowing throughout the station, better partnership between officers and supervisors, streets are taken back and crime is reduced.
No wait are really saying comp stat doesn't work??? I thought it was working just fine. after all people shot has been way up since it started and murders well they are up also. Unless thats a bad thing then yes you are correct it really sucks.
Cant wait to hear how mcjagbag handles the meeting tomorrow.
Bye Bye Garry and Chief Tracy! Oh yeah take the greek back to New York with you!
We're number one. We're number one. OOPS. Being number one in shootings is a bad thing. Might want to take a look at who is doing the shooting, why they are shooting, and who they are shooting, especially in Chicago where the possession of guns is frowned upon.
Gina:
Tell Garry to beware the IDES OF MARCH.
♥ "Brutus", Patrol Borough Brooklyn North.
P.S.: Give me a call. We'll meet as usual. Livonia and Mother Gaston, northwest corner.
GMac says weather has no bearing on crime. That's easy to say when the temp is cold. Well now we are having an unseasonably warm finish to winter and hopefully a great spring and summer.
Punxsatawny Chalkie has been awakened early by the thaw. He's now very hungry from his long hibernation and his aim is a little off.
Hey GMac how's that weather theory working out now?
I don't get it, when there's a ton of P.O's in 002/021, with less than 8yrs on and their one bagging dude, drinkers, pissers, etc!!! They should be learning somewhere like 006, 007, 011, 015, etc!! Makes no sense... like the rest of us!!! That's the whole point of senority isn't it? P.O's stuck in 007 with 10yrs?? Cmon
I want to go to SWAT! They keep fucking me around, anyone know why?????? I passed everything, including school, and I'm still in my shitty district!
OT--Lots of people retiring out of area 3. People who didn't plan on retiring, but who have just had it. Everyone is totally disgusted.
Read "The NYPD's Reporting Problem" on:
www.villagevoice.com
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Good morning 2nd City Cop,
I was wondering if anyone had any concrete numbers regarding hiring vs attrition, I am currently doing a graduate paper regarding Chicago Police hiring. I am not a CPD. I don't think that should matter, I am addressing an issue regarding your safety. I would rather not have to deal with any BS comments. Can someone lead me to a site, documentation, the CPD Website has the numbers from 2010 on there only.
Thanks
3/14/2012 10:19:00 AM
1. it matters, primarily because you have chosen to not even identify yourself by a monicker, let alone your actual name.
2. as for 'rather not have to deal with....', you have truly come to the wrong place. the only wronger place would be SLC.
3. we could tell you, but then we'd have to kill you.
Anonymous said...
It will take OVER 6 months for the "adequate staffing" to even reach us. 6 months, and the FIRST 50 – 100 will hit the streets. If Howard “the Coward” gets things up and running the right way, we’ll get 100 – 150 out on the street every month. It’s going to take a lot longer than 6 months; it’s going to take a lot longer than a year, a year and a half to patch the manpower hole we have. Figure, at the minimum, 2 and a half years, and that’s not including the number that’s going to retire in that time.
That’s only IF we get the funding from Rahm. Speaking of funding, where’d all of that federal money for new recruits go to? You know, the $$ that j-fraud allegedly got for us…
3/14/2012 11:53:00 AM
The academy under Howard is a shell now. Stripped of the experienced instructors. There are more seretaries (female) than actual trainers for the recruits. Howard has his protected crew in the front office otherwise everyone else are left to their own resources. I miss working with the recruits but life must go on.
After our conversation minutes ago, I forwarded a copy of this SCC thread to Jon L. Norinsberg, Esq., counsel for the plaintiff in Schoolcraft v. City of New York, et al.
Attorney Norinsberg reads SCC (and THEE RANT).
Click on CONstat
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Traffic cop wrote p.o. on his way to work sunday....his initials are S.F.....what a jagoff!
he is a citywide unit...3200 series...TOTAL STROKE!!...and yes its true...HE DID IT!!..
3/14/2012 12:05:00 PM
Why should he be above the law?
anyone get a chance to search you tube...."Hitler goes to compstat"...been reported before, looks like it's a NY production.....hilarious
Folks getting shot left and right every day and all the dept. is worried about is us bitching on this blog.
It can't be failing. McNutty and Rahm keep telling us crime is down. They wouldn't lie or misrepresent the facts would they?
You mean "Inspector Clousseau" Boudreau hasn't been able to stop the violence in Englewood? Maybe Leo needs a new ass kisser.
Boy, 11 shot in Englewood Neighborhood, on chicagobreakingnews
Why do you suppose that picture is so closely cropped?? And comments disabled as well. Hmmm.
O.T. Okay so the buzz says our favorite Rev Father P is going back to harsss a legit business in a town called Riverdale on Friday around noon but I am sure he will be on time cause the lame stream media will be on alert. My question is how does The Eternal Man of the Soiled Cloth get from St. Sab to Riverdale and how many violations occur on the way and once he gets there. Any Pro 2A guys checking this out ???
So Garry actually claimed that weather has no impact on crime? Did he really say that with a straight face?
I use to rush to work so I could be the 1st guy to grab someone and snowball the pinch into a warrant or controlled buy. Then the beefs came and the bosses did the back-off I wanna keep my gold shuffle.
This will be an insane spring and even worse summer.
I could care less if they take over every street in Chicago as long as no more coppers get hurt.
For those of you who really think that those pep talks given by the bosses have some sort of "Im gonna back you" , built into them , you are dreaming.
Stay safe....
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Good morning 2nd City Cop,
I was wondering if anyone had any concrete numbers regarding hiring vs attrition, I am currently doing a graduate paper regarding Chicago Police hiring. I am not a CPD. I don't think that should matter, I am addressing an issue regarding your safety. I would rather not have to deal with any BS comments. Can someone lead me to a site, documentation, the CPD Website has the numbers from 2010 on there only.
Thanks
3/14/2012 10:19:00 AM
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If you're really doing a paper in graduate school, then you should know you cannot use sources without a reference. I really doubt they'll let you cite an anonymous post on a blog to support your thesis.
There's not enough money in the State of New York to get me to settle. My case will go to trial and the truth will come out.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Traffic cop wrote p.o. on his way to work sunday....his initials are S.F.....what a jagoff!
he is a citywide unit...3200 series...TOTAL STROKE!!...and yes its true...HE DID IT!!..
3/14/2012 12:05:00 PM
Why should he be above the law?
3/14/2012 06:11:00 PM
You're obviously not a cop and if by the small chance you are, I bet you're a real gem. Why would you give one of your brothers in blue a ticket for speeding?????? You know if F'ing with his job!!! Besides that...ITS JUST WRONG!!!! the way you think is the reason CPD is so divided now!!! I'm sure the officer who was speeding wasn't being a prick.... It's stories like these I wish I knew the officers name, or even your name. So when something happens to you or yours ( God forbid) maybe speeding or a fender bender I want to see how much you want another P.O. to help you out. As long as a fellow officer isn't dirty, I will never betray what we stand for....And that's how I see it, as a slap in the face...A F U
I don't get it, when there's a ton of P.O's in 002/021, with less than 8yrs on and their one bagging dude, drinkers, pissers, etc!!! They should be learning somewhere like 006, 007, 011, 015, etc!! Makes no sense... like the rest of us!!! That's the whole point of senority isn't it? P.O's stuck in 007 with 10yrs?? Cmon
3/14/2012 03:13:00 PM
Maybe you are too dumb to bid out.
TOPIC: "Yo, Adrian!"
CLICK ON SCHOOLCRAFT
Good morning 2nd City Cop,
I was wondering if anyone had any concrete numbers regarding hiring vs attrition, I am currently doing a graduate paper regarding Chicago Police hiring. I am not a CPD. I don't think that should matter, I am addressing an issue regarding your safety. I would rather not have to deal with any BS comments. Can someone lead me to a site, documentation, the CPD Website has the numbers from 2010 on there only. Thanks
3/14/2012 10:19:00 AM
If you look through old posts here you'll see one where Ald. Tunney asked McIcouldahadaG8 some tough questions on staffing and got some answers. If the answers were true is another question.
"Anonymous said...
Good morning 2nd City Cop,
I was wondering if anyone had any concrete numbers regarding hiring vs attrition, I am currently doing a graduate paper regarding Chicago Police hiring. I am not a CPD. I don't think that should matter, I am addressing an issue regarding your safety. I would rather not have to deal with any BS comments. Can someone lead me to a site, documentation, the CPD Website has the numbers from 2010 on there only.
Thanks
3/14/2012 10:19:00 AM"
Good Luck, pick a date, a First of a recent month, try filing a carefully worded Freedom of Information Act Request.
Ask for the total number of sworn officers, Probationary Police Officers, P.O.s, Field Training Officers, Detectives, Bomb Techs, Security Specialists, canine Officers, Sergeants, Lieutenants, Captains and Exempt Personnel.
I bet your request will be stalled or you get treated like some subversive spy.
But if you do get an answer, let see it please.
Self cleaning oven said...
About 30 people shot in 007 in the last 4 or 5 days.
3/14/2012 07:58:00 AM
Chalkie must be happy
"I use to rush to work so I could be the 1st guy to grab someone and snowball the pinch into a warrant or controlled buy. Then the beefs came and the bosses did the back-off I wanna keep my gold shuffle"
The above is one of the reasons things are so bad. You cant turn a dog into a policeman but you can turn a policeman into a dog.
Back in the 90's when we had 800 murders we also had 13000 p/os. So even though more p/os would be a welcome site, the brass needs to address the problem at hand, morale. Its sad that we have gotten to such a state that we need to beg our officers to do their job. I guess years of the clout and chosen few getting ahead, the regular beat guy has had enough. Being a p/o used to be a career now its just a job.
Hiring 1000 p/os would be great, but remember it doesn't help our pension one bit. The new hires don't pay into our pension fund, kind of like the city hasn't for years.
Yes, I do understand I cant use a blog as a reference. Guy. I was asking if there was any documentation, not hearsay. The city won't release hiring/ attrition rates stats.
Hey city officials, hey Rham, hey Garry and al dumass, hey IAD fuck you all. Free speech mother fuckers. America, love it or leave it!
Just want to say good job to all of you! Your job is hard, and I don't envy you for a second. I teach in the Austin Community and have been noticing a lot of people flying colors; more so than usual. Red and Yellow mostly and I know the weather has a lot to do with it but I have been seeing a lot more activity than usual. Is there any info you have about this/what I can tell my students to keep them safe and out of the mess? Thanks.
Good morning 2nd City Cop,
I was wondering if anyone had any concrete numbers regarding hiring vs attrition, I am currently doing a graduate paper regarding Chicago Police hiring. I am not a CPD. I don't think that should matter, I am addressing an issue regarding your safety. I would rather not have to deal with any BS comments. Can someone lead me to a site, documentation, the CPD Website has the numbers from 2010 on there only.
Thanks
3/14/2012 10:19:00 AM
Are you serious? Not joking. You are living in the most corrupt city, in the most corrupt county, within the most corrupt state in the country, (2 sitting governors in prison)
Do you actually think there are any real true statistics for you to use for your paper. LOLOL
Sorry to bust your bubble..
Yes, I do understand I cant use a blog as a reference. Guy. I was asking if there was any documentation, not hearsay. The city won't release hiring/ attrition rates stats.
3/15/2012 10:23:00 AM
Walk into the FOP office and identify yourself and your intentions. Ask nicely if you can make an appointment to talk to someone about it. Then do so.
Walk into the PBPA office and do the same thing.
You might get some cooperation if you do it this way. Be prepared to prove who you are and what you're about.
08;48 If the new hires dont pay into the pension fund, then who do they pay? They are or will be drawing from our pension so they are paying into it Where do you get this info?
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