Swiping On the Way
Rumor slowly becoming fact from what we consider a very good source:
- You can expect to be swiping in and out shortly after NATO leaves town. Rahm's number crunchers figured out how much wasted $$$ CPD costs the annual budget due to tardiness, early cuts, etc. Like private industry, there will be a 6-7 minute leeway for the swipes. Anything beyond that will result in the appropriate amount of pay deducted. And guess who made up some of this committee that made these startling discoveries? None other than the a few of the turds left over from the Crystal Ball Unit once Goldfinger moved on to greener pastures.
There are gonna be a ton of unhappy people once their checks started getting docked. In addition to the loss of pay, disciplinary proceedings will be brought upon chronically tardy individuals. A & As will be monitored daily to verify that the times in and out jive with the officers' swipes. Again, disciplinary proceedings to be levied upon supervisors who try to circumvent the process with constant 'start-time changes/hours adjustments' (read 'special' units; Narcotics, Gang Intel...pretty much all of Homan Sq.).
Now the biggie: officers attempting to circumvent the swipe procedure via duplicate cards and/or having coworkers swipe for one another to duck early will be charged both administratively and criminally (theft).
This is NOT rumor, but fact. The details are still being hammered out, but it will start shortly after the conclusion of NATO for obvious reasons.
Tact and Gangs to be hardest hit along with Special Units, Homan Square, Headquarters and assorted other political heavyweights. Of course, the two-and-three-tiers of disciplinary processes might be a saving grace here.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
216 Comments:
Oak park pd put these machines in over two months ago and they still aren't online and working the proper way. Good luck with your huge department.
I don't know how little sgt. V from 009, 3rd watch will handle this.
It's going to be a disaster, with everybody making sure to get their half hour lunch and two personals. And the units can't adjust their hours for search warrants and surveillance? Ain't gonna happen.
Doesn't this have to be in the contract which is not there? If this is so no point in being on tact or any other unit.
Will never happen, just a dream. No way would the people at 35th St do that Bosses would take care of them, been going on so long its expected
Not to mention the A & A sheets and the paperwork involved, not as simple as you make it sound
wow... no more 4hr tour for tact???
everybody grab a drinker, pisser, tvb, etc...at the end of the tour. an entire watch on overtime will kill them. 009 did this when they were held til 2330 and 0030. went back to normal after two days. stick together.
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What about coming from court? What about getting compensated when you get there earlier? Are they gonna pay out for that extra 15 mins? Catch a detail? Where do you swipe for that? Are the bosses gonna swipe too? Hell, I'll sit there afterwards and swipe out a half hour later...pay me time and a half. I had a stop on the way in. Stop doing any pro-active police work, people. Stop writing tickets, stop towing cars. Stop generating revenue. Answer your radio assignments in a timely manner and give them as many case reports as possible. When the sgt's, lt's, and XO's swipe in and out, then I'll know it's for real.
This is only gonna affect the grunts who don't have clout ...
Ha ha ha I wish they would. Watch the ot roll in for working coppers who don't drop a slip for thirty mins on a late arrest.
Fine with me. When I swipe out after quitting time I will be dropping a slip for OT. I have no problem with swiping in and out, but if the city thinks they are going to dock pay for being tardy or leaving early, but not have to honor OT pay when you are there past your quitting time they have another thing coming. I'll document the legitimate reason why I am working past quitting time and tender a slip to the Station Supervisor. If the Station Supervisor refuses to accept it I will document that and build a file for a grievance.
Remember boys and girls narcotics arrests can not be handed off to the next watch due to chain of command evidence and the A/O being the complainant. I see 1 or 2 late pinches a week 30 minutes before my tour ends. I'll also make sure to take all the time needed to conduct a complete investigation of all the late jobs OEMC likes to hammer you with before checkoff. I'll make sure to write a report if appropriate and take my time with it to insure accuracy.
Officers unite. Hammer the city with OT and make some easy money! Shit, I won't have to work my side job now. Easy 300-400 a month in OT a period just making late pinches!
Five minutes to go. Squad, hold me down on this unavoidable TVB. I'm not too bright and move pretty slow, so who knows HOW long this will take. Thanks for the OT EVERYDAY, motherfuckers. CHA-CHING!
Don't worry about special units, how about the same aholes on the watch that are late every day. Good, dock their pay!
Well then they better come up with a more durable ID. I can't even get gas!! The coating on that cheap piece of shit started peeling within 3 month. I've replaced it twice in the last five years and each time, the same thing! I refuse to get another one!
Eight for Eight, OOPS ! What do yo mean we work a nine hour day? I must have snoozed with Rip Van Winkle.
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I sudder to see our FOP and something called the Progressive Alliance of Cook County come up with an agreement on these two endorsements.
Representative Kelly Cassidy, for 14th District State Representative
And
Robert Martwick, for 19th District State Representative (Endorsed)
http://www.progressivealliancepac.org/
http://chicagofop.org/newsletter/2012/032012news.pdf
Vote for those two if you want more of the same Chicago bs. Or if you are a hard core liberal. Cassidy wants to tax YOUR ammo purchases more to build hospitals in the ghetto. A Progressive/Liberal like Martwick, Jr. has no business being the state rep for the NW side neighborhoods of Belmont Heights, Big Oaks, Union Ridge, Jeff Park and Gladestone Park -- were WE live.
This levels the playing field with patrol, too bad so sad clout babies!
Glad to see it, same people everyday coming in 15-20 minutes late.
Patrol has basically had this system in place forever. I don't know of any watch commanders who tolerate the chronically late. This will cost the city money in patrol with late arrests.
Considering over 85% of the department works a full tour anyway, who cares? This only affects the phone call spots for the most part anyway.
can i generate an event number for swiping?
They will change that once they see what it will cost them in OT.
If they want me to punch in/out, so be it, but let's be realistic here, our PDT's, car cameras, cars, gas pumps, district computers, district phones, district printers/copiers, and pod cameras don't work half the time, so why would the time clocks be any different?
Nothing to worry about here. I'm not a sergeant, lieutenant, captain or exempt. I'm guessing that the administrative half hour that the "white shirts" get may be the biggest problem with the swipe in swipe out process being implemented, if you know what I mean *wink*. If I start at 0800, I'll leave at 1700.
What will the bosses do? The higher you climb up the ladder, the bigger ducks you get, or for that matter the passes on tardiness, as well.
One thing I am curious about, how will this work if I am carried Code 49, or for court?
AND IF BY CHANCE, SOME ASSHOLE BOSS WANTS TO FUCK WITH ME OVER THE ISSUE, I WILL BE CONTACTING A LAWYER AND MAKING SURE THAT THIS PROCEDURE IS PUT IN PLACE FOR ALL SWORN PERSONNEL AND THAT I WAS NOT SINGLED OUT SO I COULD BE PUNISHED, DUE TO THE ASSHOLE FUCKING WITH ME. I will want it demonstrated that this policy was implemented fairly and administrated equally across the board, otherwise...$$$$!
Relax. I worked in a suburban department before coming here and they tried that there. Same deal. Number crunching idiots thought they would come out ahead. After two months they realized that the cops were putting in more and making more overtime and took the machines out. Seems it was better to let supervisors handle this than machines.
They going to have a dozen swipe machines instead of just 1 when I walk in? I'm not standing in line for 20 minutes to swipe then get docked 15 minutes from my check.
Anonymous said...
Was talking to a PO that years ago worked at a unit that had a strict swiping policy and practice.
Before it was implemented, he would arrive at his work station a few minutes early. He often answered the phone while he was waiting for the coffee.
After swipe-in policy, the phone could off the table. But until the clock said "8:00", it just rang..and rang....and rang.
And if he was on the phone at 4:30, he told the people to call back during tomorrow's business hours.
3/11/2012 08:03:00 PM
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That's nothing. Wait til the offender is about to confess, but the detective HAS to clock out. Buh-bye.
Wait til the school crossing has kids in the middle of the street, but the p.o. filling in HAS to go to check-off. Oops.
Wait til the hand-off on a shooting can't happen and no one knows what really happened, because the investigator HAS to go home RIGHT NOW.
Or worse, wait til some goof stays past quitting time on his own dime, and a defense attorney rips him on the stand. "Were you technically 'on duty' at the time you obtained the confession from my client, or found that critical evidence, or took that life-changing statement?" Dismissed.
The powers that be are going to find there are a lot more of us who give the company twenty minutes, or even an hour, than who rip the company off for a minute or two on the front end. The clearance rate is going to suffer even more than it is now and the CAPS warm/fuzzy thing is going to suffer, as well, because a lot of uniforms are going to be telling the public, "Sorry, I am not allowed to help you. The next watch will be on the street in an hour or so."
swiping or scanning? which is it?
Now the scanners should be fun when someone scans out after searching some mutt and not washing passing mutt bugs to the rest of us
Hi. I'm days bid. Want me just to answer calls? I know who I should stop, but that's only in my mind. Enjoy me making the dogs look like Exceeds Expectations.
keep working!
Well why the fuck would anyone want to work tact or gangs then? I mean that seriously. There's almost no perks left already and being able to leave after a decent arrest feels good and fuels you to continue te hunt. If there's no reward for the hunt, then why the fuck would we stick our necks out there. The beginning of swiping will equal the end of my tact career and many others I'm sure.
oh lets not forget!i work in a unit and i regularly dont put in for overtime..hour at the end here and there.sometimes two. guess what? every 15 minutes overtime now and you will pay me bitch.
Now I know why members of my old tact team have been inquireing about the watch.
Take away the last bit of incentive from the few who still give a fuck, BRILLIANT !!!
This will really motivate the troops! I see productivity skyrocketing after this is implemented. WEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!
Will we have to write To Froms if we inadvertently forget to swipe?
I can't wait until we just wave our chipped hands in front of the door to gain access and to report to work, it's all just so futuristic and Jetson like.
If the swipe comes to 26th cal, they need to put them at the parking garage or at the main outside doors. takes fucking 25 minutes just to get into the parking lot and then into the building and up to the fucking sign in room. then you got to stand in line for 10 minutes just to get your hands on the sign in sheet for your room. I hate that place and its only getting worse.
I hear you will have to swipe in to the restrooms too, too many PO's are resting on the comodes.
fuck it. If I know I'm going to be late I'll just call it in and go on the medical.
I said it when I cam on this job 14 years ago... Swiping will never work for CPD. I worked 2 prior jobs and handled the Kronos at each. The messed up swipes will have to be handled daily. If not, it will be one hell of a mess.
If o person forgets to swipe out, when they return to work the next time and swipe they will actually be swiping out instead of in.... everything gets thron off. Multiply that by minimum 100 coppers dailey. You may have to swipe but it will be some type of sudo system that nobody will check and after 3 months it will just go away. This is what education brought to our beloved police department. This isnt the Oak Brook Corporate life.
Well......give us the 10 hour day so we can get some more time off, seeing how we have no more perks anywhere!!!!!
not a district problem most will follow thru but what about those guys in the units. work 8.5 work 8.5 Hmmmmmmmmm. check off should be interesting. those machines have been in the Districts for a year. will see till someones uncle complains
This is most excellent than instead of not filling out the slip for 15 minutes i stay on a late arrest i will most certainly swipe out.Of course after i change,take a dump.Let's not forget 2 personals and my 30 minutes which is constantly interruped by a bunch of ignoramuses with stupid police questions....
What happens when you arrive late because of a trial?
There are palm reading machines installed at the Academy. No one is "reading" them yet but it is coming.
The best part about all of this is that within a year or so the software will be obsolete and the city will not have paid for maintenance on it so swiping is only temporary.
Finally, a way to get a little OT every day. If we have to stay to the "bitter end", you don't think people will get a TVB on the way in?
This idea has been formulated to save money? Again, clearly the folks who make up the G.O. and rules, are not working police. The boots on the ground will use this to scalp the department.
I wouldn't worry about it most id's wont work in the swipe machines anyway
Right after we bust our butts and our contract expires. But I know cops, we will make it work for us and shock the budget boys.
Sorry. There's been waste in the department?
The do-nothing tact teams in my dist will have to stay longer than 6 hours a day???
what is iad's residential voodoo sergeant gonna do now that she can't sneak out in the freight elevator an hour before her tour of duty ends.
not going to happen. didn't they make an attempt at this a few years ago and it faded away in less than a week?
Ohhh, the Lt on days in 011 is going to have to start showing up on time! But the question remains - will he show up in uniform, or will he continue to come in dressed as he pleases, changing whenever the hell he feels like it?
everybody grab a drinker, pisser, tvb, etc...at the end of the tour. an entire watch on overtime will kill them.
They will just assign your arrest to the next watch, especially if it's a drinker or a pisser.
Remember some time back the word came from downtown that there was no O.T. for patrol. Sgt's had to monitor the zone and listen for jobs being handed out close to check off. If it was deemed that it would lead into O.T. for the P.O. then the Sgt would tell the dispatcher to re-assign it to a car on the next watch.
Reading this thread and the comments is really disheartening. I think some people's observations about this negative reaction to "swiping in" are very accurate.
I put in technology like this for a hospital a LONG time ago and the reality is that instead of making everything more orderly, the users (especially the doctors) do a lot of things to skirt around the system. (In effect, the "culture" rejects the technology - too much "big brother")
You want to know where doctors are all the time in the hospitals and with all the technology that is available to track them, you would think that is an easy task.
It isn't, and anything that you count on them signing in, calling in, or "swiping in" (card access) can be worked around.
Bottom line - and this goes for ALL technology - if the culture rejects it, it is NOT going to work AND there will be dissent on using it. And you will get people "swiping in" for other people and people with "clout" being exempt from swiping in, so why buy the technology?
So your initial "rejection" of this system is pretty normal and leadership (if there is really any shred of it left in CPD) should realize that it is NOT going to be a productive technology to introduce, let alone depend on and maintain.
In a "real" organization, the dogs would be let go or at least transferred to a place where they could do the least damage to productivity.
In your environment, the classic Chicago "cloutocracy" looks the other way on disciplining clouted dogs and instead hampers the performance of people who really want to work by using this 1930s management style of "make sure they clock in" mentality.
The solution is a real management reform that is NOT going to happen under the current administration.
From a taxpayer's standpoint, this is more money poured down the drain that will have no positive effect on police performance, responses to calls, and daily operations.
The money would be better spent on making radio equipment have more interoperability and buying equipment that Chicago needs like up-to-date riot gear and automatic shotguns.
- from one who knows, REALLY knows, technology.
If you swipe in an hour early, will you get more pay?
I thank the Retirement God every day for taking me away from this shit.
Many years ago, an older friend of mine (not cops) taught me the term "Malicious compliance". It not only taught me how to act as a worker, but also how to anticipate problems as a boss.
As ID cards get worn and need replacement will replacements be available 24/7 or will a midnights officer have to wait until a HQDS business day?
As the ID Card is Department issue I would believe that 3 hours OT would be in order for maintaining a working ID card.
Hey morons, city doesn't care if you swipe in early, they don't pay you until your start time. They don't care if you swipe out late, they only pay until your end time, UNLESS you can justify legit OT, like has ALWAYS been done. They only care that you swipe in late or swipe out early. Late due to court? Easily verified and no problem. Are we really as stupid as most posters on here???
I went to the front office on Fri to find out why my OT check was so small and found out they are so behind they haven't entered anything past Feb 4th.
well if we are going to have to swipe in and out , I want that machine to give me a confirmation number so I know that the machine is working properly.
Will the alderman be swiping in at city hall? How about the judges at 26th street? How about the exempts at 35th street? This could be very entertaining.
Good idea! It's a great way to improve morale! At least we can get rid of the inspectors showing up to roll call and check off. A machine can replace them!
Let me offer this suggestion again if you want Rahm and the city to notice our needs. Everyday, every tour come in with a late pinch. Here;s where the drinker, 1 bagger weed pinch or pisser counts. Work just an hour OT 3-4 times per week; check the money box. Multiply that by 3 watches with with about 400-500 beats working and the effect will be lot louder than laying ddown and waiting for the 1st and 16th. And by the way, the 1st and 16th will look a lot better when cashing the check.
do as your told, follow orders, this is RHAM's order for the day. FOLLOW ORDERS i c nutting!!!
This is most excellent than instead of not filling out the slip for 15 minutes i stay on a late arrest i will most certainly swipe out.Of course after i change,take a dump.Let's not forget 2 personals and my 30 minutes which is constantly interruped by a bunch of ignoramuses with stupid police questions....
3/12/2012 03:05:00 AM
And when they identify your "pattern", they will start with counseling and head north from there.
On one hand, whatever, as a supervisor im the first one in and the last to leave. BUT on the other hand how the hell can you take care of those that take care of you with machines? Guess we will have to get inventive, luckily most of the po's are smarter than the exempts making these goofy directives.
not going to happen
Anonymous said...
Will we have to write To Froms if we inadvertently forget to swipe?
3/12/2012 02:18:00 AM
You will have to submit an edit form that is approved by a supervisor.
When I retired I went into private industry. The company had almost 7000 employees, 5000 of whom had to swipe in and out. The time clocks had camera surveillance. Anyone caught swiping in or out for someone was fired. he swipe cards also wer used to enter the garage and these were checked against the time cards. This can be done so don't bet against it. I was the investigtor on these cases and it was considered theft of time and a crime. Asupervisor can override the system but has to log in and give an explanation. Any suspervisor caught cheating the system is also fired. Aribitration upheld the dismissals
And for those of you who want the supervisors to also swipe in to be fair or you will sue, you have no concept of labor law. Generally, management does not swipe in. The department can make any unit exempt from this. There is nothing in your union contract that would prohibit this. Get used to it, it is a long time coming and most of private industry has used swipe machines for years as do many police departments, hospitals etc.
Anonymous said...
I can't wait until we just wave our chipped hands in front of the door to gain access and to report to work, it's all just so futuristic and Jetson like.
3/12/2012 02:21:00 AM
Hands? Try again. They will stick it in your ass, pun intended, and be read as you pass through the station door because they want to know if your ass is at work! Now where is that fine Judy Jetson? I want to holler at her!
They can't do that! I've been in Special Ed Units since probation ended and have six commendations, 97 honorables, 11 fitness awards and 2 officer of the month awards. My daddy will see about this.
I work overtime by half hour to 45 minutes at least once a week. I rarely put a slip in and I don't put one in when its so busy that I don't get a lunch, that's just the nature of this job. Sometimes you get a late arrest that can't be avoided. I know I'll be bashed as an idiot etc. but I am not the only one. My point is that many officers work overtime free for the city. This system will allow us all to make the OT we are entitled to.
I am retired, work at aviation now. We do have to swipe in&out. It is, in fact a great waste of money, since we have a face-to-face relief.
At least 10% of the time, the machines goof up, or do not recort you pproperly.
I ask, what do we need supervisiors for if we clock in and out???
AND IF BY CHANCE, SOME ASSHOLE BOSS WANTS TO FUCK WITH ME OVER THE ISSUE, I WILL BE CONTACTING A LAWYER AND MAKING SURE THAT THIS PROCEDURE IS PUT IN PLACE FOR ALL SWORN PERSONNEL AND THAT I WAS NOT SINGLED OUT SO I COULD BE PUNISHED, DUE TO THE ASSHOLE FUCKING WITH ME.
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yeah, go call your attorney Joe Roddy and get back to me kid.
I have no clue how CPD has been able to avoid swiping. Here in Law, we have to swipe, and we're salaried, i.e., no overtime. And they still want to watch our time.
So count yourselves lucky for having avoided swiping for as long as you have.
Never happen. No money. All bullshit.
-a person who knows
It's about time , 90 % 0f us report for work early . Let's dock pay from the officers taht are late . It will mean no more 6 hour days for the tactical , office and other clout babies on the job .
It's about time , it only takes a second to swipe , what a jo saying he'll be standin in line for 15 - 20 minutes . You'll be docked .
You fools forget one little thing.
Overtime must be APPROVED.
Go get a late arrest. You'll work until 7 minutes after the half hour and then be sent home. The next watch will put your prisoner in lockup.
Nothing you do is so important that it can't be done by someone else.
That's fine. The track record of anything this department does never works. They buy junk, install junk, do it wrong the first and second times, put "new ideas" in affect that never work, take months to fix simple things etc. etc. This too will not work or break and never get fixed. Our PDT only works 50% of the time and when it does the "CLEAR" system is usually down 95% of the time.
They will soon find out it cost more. Much more
fuck it. If I know I'm going to be late I'll just call it in and go on the medical.
3/12/2012 02:28:00 AM
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Oh my! What will we do without you?
Instead of coming to work and doing nothing, you'll be sitting at home doing nothing.
What will become of the city when your nothingness stays home?
The humanity!!
The 10hr days are great! The City can make it work if they want to. 2 shifts with staggered start times. Rapid response cars to cover the overlap. It would save the city $$$.
Anonymous said...
Well why the fuck would anyone want to work tact or gangs then? I mean that seriously. There's almost no perks left already and being able to leave after a decent arrest feels good and fuels you to continue te hunt. If there's no reward for the hunt, then why the fuck would we stick our necks out there. The beginning of swiping will equal the end of my tact career and many others I'm sure.
3/12/2012 01:53:00 AM
Exactly! The heads game the bosses play everyday will come to an end. I still can see the deapartment doing it to tact, but not the secret squirl units cause they will get slips burned, something that has never happened over the last 100 years there.
Remember boys and girls narcotics arrests can not be handed off to the next watch due to chain of command evidence and the A/O being the complainant.
"chain of command evidence"
Another legal genius speaks. You"re credibility is zero. Keep prattling on.
how about the guy or gal who takes a shit or piss and does not wash their hands?
who cleans these diseased infected hand plates?
i cant believe a city worker didnt sue yet for getting sick from this thing
Anonymous said...
Don't worry about special units, how about the same aholes on the watch that are late every day. Good, dock their pay!
3/12/2012 12:33:00 AM
Thats the bosses responsibilities asshole. You are exactly the reason that the city wins. You, ARE A DUMBASS...
Alright!!!!! I work in a busy district and I'm gonna bleed the city dry each morning with a late arrest. It's as easy as 1 2 3 and the city will be paying me and no more getting brow beaten by the next watch commander for a late pinch. I'm sick of those bastards mean mugging me when I present with a slip for overtime. Fuck all you white shirts, my ot approval will now come from a machine. The city will pay dearly for this costing tax payers dearly as well.
90 % of PO's show up on time. The same people come late and/or leave early. "Favorable" sergeants hold their slip.
The city and the Rahminator are children needing to be disciplined.
ATTACK OF THE YELLOW SLIPS coming to a theater near you!
Get with the program boys and girls.
Hit em hard, everyday. SCAN the street near quitting time for the 2 legged dog....
MAKE EM PAY..
For those of you that think this wont work think again. The other thousands of city workers have been swiping for years. And they use the machines in the police stations everyday. So yes the machines do work and have been for years. Since we are the only city department that doesn't swipe its only a matter of time.
Remember when they did this a few years ago? We were told we HAD to swipe in everyday. I never did. Not once. Never heard a damn thing about it, and a few months later nobody had to swipe. This department is such a fucking joke.
Well then they better come up with a more durable ID. I can't even get gas!! The coating on that cheap piece of shit started peeling within 3 month. I've replaced it twice in the last five years and each time, the same thing! I refuse to get another one!
3/12/2012 12:34:00 AM
So that's the fucking reason there's never any gas in the squad cars when I start? Now explain the old banana peels stuck rotting between the seats.
It's about time, welcome to the real world CPD.
It is well written, but does that make it credible? Are you sure its a good source?
Screw the TVB's, just keep heading to the "in progress"jobs when you would normally be headed in for the day. Let's see if they are stupid enough to try and stop us from doing so. To try to put a beef on you or put out and order not to do so would speed up this train wreak in the making.....
hey you softballs, keep writing parkers and movers so you can keep your beat car. you're doing a wonderful job!!!
heard that not only will there be swiping, but ALL Supervisors WILL assure that it is enforced and monitored by them. All swiping will be backed up by a Sgt's Log of their Officers Start/Finish time Log-in's/Log outs, to be used as verification of the employees coming into work and leaving. Sgt's will be held responsible for any inaccuracies
Anonymous said...
Five minutes to go. Squad, hold me down on this unavoidable TVB. I'm not too bright and move pretty slow, so who knows HOW long this will take. Thanks for the OT EVERYDAY, motherfuckers. CHA-CHING!
3/12/2012 12:32:00 AM
Dont forget about the Squad Cameras and GPS.
In my 8 years on the job I believe this is the third attempt at having us swipe.
I don't normally put in an OT slip when I run 30 minutes or so late on a arrest because I have good bosses. When I am running late every now and then because of the kids or traffic the bosses are okay with it. But if this department thinks they can dock my pay and then not pay OT, they are F'n crazy. Nothing against my bosses, but If I am 5 minutes on OT I WILL drop a slip, bank on it!
Why would you think swiping in and out has to be in the contract when the entire rest of the city has been doing it for years now? Why also would you think that officers should be exempt from swiping in and out when the ENTIRE rest of the city has been doing it for years. People are getting laid off because of budget cuts but you all still think you can leave early without using your time, etc.
What happens if this ? What happens if that? Get over yourselves. There are boxes on the pink sheets for everything. If you are in court, if you are on a detail and swipe late. If you forget to swipe.
We'll figure out how to disable this thing in a "pinch"....
so there is zero perk for working anywhere anymore. No thanks.
I heard they're going to have retinal scanners tied into Goldfinger's predictive analysis software. The software will be able to detect if an officer comes in with a late pimpy arrest or TVB and automatically clock him out.
There will also be retinal scanners in lockup that will screen offenders and send automated employment applications to the offender's residence based on the department's affirmative action needs. Those applicants will be fast tracked to rank of lieutenant.
They removed all perks on gangs/tact long ago, that's why it's reverse seniority (at least in 010). The watch does not have perks, unless your one of the 2 don Juan bosses favorites.
Don't worry about your pay that's probably a year off. Going to units first
This is ging to backfire big time. There have been many times in my career I have stayed over 15 mins, half hour, without dropping a slip. This is in patrol and in units. I have been lucky enough to have bosses who recognized this and were able to either let me leave early or come in late another day in exchange. If this comes about I will have no choice but to put in for the ot. This will happen citywide and the OT will rise big time. This will also take away one of the few perks "Good" bosses have to help out a PO.
Well I think that the flexibility cuts both ways.
If you want to turn a profession into a bunch on clock watchers this is surely the way to go.
When it comes time to swipe out, swipe out and go home. Staying over to wrap up any loose ends is going to make it hard for you to be on time the next day.
That's fine.
People should be on time.
That goes for EVERYONE !
Also they shall be suprised when they see how much overtime that has been ignored.
I suspect they shall gladly pay for all of the extra minutes worked enmass.
12:28 Whats wrong with you? Why would you be compensated for getting to court early? If so when I get off midnights at 5:30 I would got directly to court and sign in at 6AM and get 3 hours overtime before court even started
I'm sure it will suck for some people,but do you really think the average Joe wants to hear you cry because you have to work a full day?
Didn't J-Fled try to implement this a few years ago and quickly rescind that order within 3 days? I can see this working for inside do-nothing admin people, but not for patrol. I highly doubt the dept has a system or the personnel intact to handle this kind of data on a daily basis.
Bring it on...I can't wait. Its way too hard for some people to get to work on time. It's about time my Sgt quits over looking the cronic 20 min late every day.
This rumer is true. While the swipe machines are being installed the Department will issue all new I.D.s along with a lanyard. The swipe machine programs will be run out of Human Resources who will then each morning send each District or Unit Time-Keeper a record of all the swipes for the previous day.
One Late-No Problem
Two Lates- Reprimand
Three Lates-Reprimand to a Day
Four or More will result in a possible CR though they haven't decided yet as of this writting.
Your overtime will be exactly the time you swipe out.
Truct me the Swipe machines will be installed close to the desk XOs office.
Forget the TVB's,make late pinches and finish those bullshit late paper jobs. TVB's generate money and you're playing into the system.
I WILL find something to do on my way in to check-off and make sure that I will get overtime at least a few days a week. Be careful what you ask for Rham...this will cost you much, much more than the alleged cost of what your super team deems as unacceptable! When about 20 hours a day must be paid out at time and a half, the few minutes on the end will pale in comparison. Oh yeah, if I ask for lunch and the dispatcher still sends me on a job...I won't take a lunch, document that I was denied lunch and WILL get paid for that too. Doesn't happen everyday, but with manpower being what it is and summer coming, thats a few more buck that the city has to pay us. Keep fucking with us and we will fuck back!
Anonymous said...
Fine with me. When I swipe out after quitting time I will be dropping a slip for OT. I have no problem with swiping in and out, but if the city thinks they are going to dock pay for being tardy or leaving early, but not have to honor OT pay when you are there past your quitting time they have another thing coming. I'll document the legitimate reason why I am working past quitting time and tender a slip to the Station Supervisor. If the Station Supervisor refuses to accept it I will document that and build a file for a grievance.
Remember boys and girls narcotics arrests can not be handed off to the next watch due to chain of command evidence and the A/O being the complainant. I see 1 or 2 late pinches a week 30 minutes before my tour ends. I'll also make sure to take all the time needed to conduct a complete investigation of all the late jobs OEMC likes to hammer you with before checkoff. I'll make sure to write a report if appropriate and take my time with it to insure accuracy.
Officers unite. Hammer the city with OT and make some easy money! Shit, I won't have to work my side job now. Easy 300-400 a month in OT a period just making late pinches!
3/12/2012 12:32:00 AM
Well said sir! We need to stick together if this happens!!!
Wouldn't it be nice if we could all unite and refuse...they can't discipline all of us.
Hold me down going to gas...hold me down personal, hold me down lunch, hold me down R service, ouch my knee hurts and I have a cold.
I hope I don't get stuck behind EI when he's swiping in. If he swipes in like he does his arrest reports I'll be late. Damn
Anonymous said...
Well then they better come up with a more durable ID. I can't even get gas!! The coating on that cheap piece of shit started peeling within 3 month. I've replaced it twice in the last five years and each time, the same thing! I refuse to get another one!
3/12/2012 12:34:00 AM
Same here. Last time I went to get my ID card replaced at headquarters they told me to come back they were busy. I haven't gone since. When I get gas someone has to swipe for me. What a joke. I'll believe it when I see it.
We have an idiot who comes in 3-4 hrs late everyday that never has to burn a slip. In addition 2-3 times a month they have to send a car to his house to wake him up, yet NO ONE in a WHITE SHIRT says anything other than laugh at roll call. It's just not funny anymore.
Oops, I spilled my coffee all over the swipe machine.
Sorry to tell you SCC; but most Tact. Lt.'s have been interested in when Tact teams leave. We worked full tour. I'm back on the watch and work less.
this wont be a problem for about 90% of officers out there. it will be a problem though for a shit load of bosses including all the hacks at headquarters. if the beat cop has to do then all the white shirts and gold stars do to. let the games begin
The individuals that are always late will probably start hitting the medical more often. More than likely they will be a merit person.
Anonymous said...
Patrol has basically had this system in place forever. I don't know of any watch commanders who tolerate the chronically late. This will cost the city money in patrol with late arrests.
Some of it is due to political correctness.
The City of Chicago has attemped to implement a swiping policy since 1990's without success. Where technology is concerened the City definately has the tidy bowl touch. CPD may be trying to implement biometrics. Make sure you wear goggles to protect your eyes before scanning in. Better yet, wear a PPE kit.
Why is everyone so focused on gangs and tact. They are the one's that are going to benefit from this. They are the one's that are making the majority of arrest to make the overtime in court, what makes anyone of you think that they will find a way to make even more overtime. But I am only talking about working tact and gang districts..
They will get what they pay for. I'm here the whole day any way. But if they want to take it to the limit, then as I said; they will get what they paid for.
Have a nice day!
Rahm told ALL involved, this time you WILL Make it Work. So get ready for more B.S..
How about enough vehicles for the overlapping shifts? Lord knows we cant have people standing around doing nothing...
we won't swipe until XO's swipe in and out , merit political hacks
Lol. Worked at a company once that had no time cards. You filled out your hours on the honor system. They got an HR type in who swore up and down that people were stealing the company blind by lying on their time sheets. After six months they did an accounting. Instead of saving money it was costing them much more in paid overtime that the folks had just ignored. Bottom line is that sometimes the bottom line is dead wrong. Suspect that most cops put in a full day plus some and that the few who duck out the back door early are few and far between.
Well, I already stay the entire tour so, this swiping thing will piss off the bosses mainly. Serves them right for not standing up for the troops. Some do, but for the most part, they don't. Suscks to be them.
Good I work the watch so I don't get ducks like some of the clout people in spots. Let them work 8 hrs for a change.
It still will NOT be tied to your payroll!
Let me see now. This is approximately the 112th time that the brain trust in the beige box on 35th street has decided that everyone is going to swipe in and out.
It has not happened yet and never will.
Kind of like the Cubs winning the World Series.
No more going in late and coming home early?
Stick together and we can make it. Everyone start grabbing late ones as soon as this crap starts. Some districts were victorious in less of a week. Team work!
Don't screw with coppers due to budget issues. How about firefighters fill in some pot holes on their down time? I know.... Everyone loves CFD. Stay tuned for the next contract fellas. It will not get better.
They never knew what the HAYMARKET was all about!
Child labor and the 8 hour day with anarchists.
Now it's occupy and traitors in The Hall.
If they do it in the D unit, we already have our stuff figured out. Instead of going out and talking to victims and witnesses on the street, you bring them to the station at the end of your tour to be interviwed. The city gets double fucked. No arrest or clearance and they get stuck with the overtime bill. My yellow slip will be perfectly legit and well documented. It used to be "No crime till overtime."
Now it is going to be 'No crime and still making overtime."
This is the danger when a culture of "beancounterism" is allowed to influence Policing.
Yes... As much waste and fraud as possible should be eliminated but trying to apply a "business model" to something with as many devils in the details (and in addressing the human condition which by it's very nature can be highly inefficient no matter how one tries to neatly package it) like Policing is a set up for failure.
Especially when you have people who've done nothing remotely resembling Chicago Policing trying to institute wholesale change just to say they made change.
Especially when the ends to the means is eliminating and silencing a class/group of people who can and will call bullshit and potentially "interfere" with certain people totally implementing their bullshit agenda.
If this were another place in time, Tutu & McDrinky would have been loading coppers and their families on rail cars headed to the Stalags or worse a long time ago and the public would've just pointed and laughed anyway like they're doing now.
What was the name of the German priest during WW2 who wrote the missive about, "...Then they came for us and there was no one to help..." or words to that effect?
The sheeple of Chicago should ponder that one...
Welcome to the club
Teachers have done this for years payroll is still a god awful mess.
At my last school it was so screwed-up we not only swiped but
Also had to sign in.I can see you guys standing around when it doesn’t work, no patrol today machine broke.This also puts your department into the factory worker category instead of professionals. From experience I can tell you
keep a log of your swipes .Also remember someone can can issue a general swipe find out who has the code.
Department is too big to enforce it. Even 1% non-compliance is alot.
It will fade away, just like every other time.
wouldn't worry about it most id's wont work in the swipe machines anyway
are you kidding me, half the people don't put there palms anywhere near the prongs when they swipe, I put mine in palm side up and one girl at 35th swiped her sandwich in a Glad bag and it registered as a swipe... none of those things work... just contracts to take care of friends...
don't sweat it hair gels , cpd tried this bs years ago , we didn't swipe then and we won't in the future
just say you forgot . station supervisor doesn't document you were late , so that means you ' re on time
Oh no! What are the Wilson Ave foot boys going to do if they have to work more than 3 hours a night? How is 2380 going to let them duck right after roll call every single night? Bwaaaaaa
If i come in 15 min early, or get stuck on a job and are ten late to check off, are they going to pay me??? If everone starts having unavoidable tvb's an arrests on the way to check off, those swipe machines will be gone in a month.....
gonna have to punch out after nine hrs on da dot.... then there ain't gonna be no crime to overtime....
I thought this was the whole point of having a roll call- checking attendance (and of course those stupid ethnic diversity sensitivity videos). If we swipe in and out, why do we need roll call and check off? As a patrolman, it wouldn't affect me much, but I can definitely see those "special" people who consistently leave early having a problem. There will be plenty of OT for sure- these dispatchers love handing out jobs just before you leave. Are the supervisors under this same obligation, or is this another "do as I say, not as I do" policy? I believe the sgts get an additional 45min overtime every day for "reports", whether they are actually doing overtime or not. Do they still get it even when they swipe out with everyone else on time? There are many details missing here. . . . .
Palm reader with PIN number. Developed by ADT, and they work, 100% of the time - and they are accurate because they are online to the atomic clock at the National Bureau of Standards.
No swipping. Place your palm on the plate, the posts seperate your fingers, and punch your code in.
I have been a sergeant for a while and one thing I noticed is that coppers are better people than the department gives them credit for. Coppers bitch and complain but seldom or never do they put in a slip for the 15 or 30 minutes of extra work that they give the department. This may be unbelievable to the short sighted bean counters, but this is a fact. This will bite the department in the ass garenteed.
Deal with the Kronos in the CPS way. Someone swiped the swipe machine!
I'm a city worker that has been on KRONOS for about ten years now. You can fully expect the swipe machines to be online and functioning all of the time. When one goes down, the city usually has someone there within hours to fix or replace the machine.
Swiping coming to all court locations too. Also heard they going to make the ASAs notify officers for ONLY the time needed in court. Forget coming in at 0900 and sitting around until lunch time. Heard they gonna notify you for 1200hrs instead of 0900 and so on.
This is actually going to be implemented for the whole city. The vendor(SDI)chose to do the police and fire departments first. Missed swipes will require a correction form to be filled out and signed off on by a supervisor. Just because you swipe in early or swipe out late doesn't mean you will get overtime.
Below is the contract link.
http://www.cityofchicago.org/content/dam/city/depts/dps/SoleSource/NCRB_2010/07Jul2010/CyberShift.pdf
Ha ha ha I wish they would. Watch the ot roll in for working coppers who don't drop a slip for thirty mins on a late arrest.
3/12/2012 12:31:00 AM
So true.
Really does it make a difference! From the president all the way down,the libs have turned everyone against the police,unless it happens to them or their families!
Keep the late jobs coming, cha ching, cha ching, no more side jobs !!!
Years ago, when there was no pay for overtime and there were protests in Marquette Park and elswhere, come check off we were told that we were on stand-by. This occurred mostly on weekends when we wanted to go home to our familys. After an hour or so we were let go and turned in our slips for one or two hours depending. There was no time and a half.
Then after they started to pay us time and a half for overtime, and the protests continued, by some magic we were no longer required to stay on stand-by.
So, you see, it all comes down to money. If these "clocks" are implemented and you don't kick ass with overtime, shame on you.
More overtime for me,with cta and everything else drying up,I welcome this chance to make some late pinch no problem boss,sorry only 20 minutes no now pay me! $$$$$$$$$$$$
curious again.......who owns the swiping machine company??? One of our bright po's will run this down. In the meantime I'll question my niece who works at a bar that over-served pol's like to run their pie-holes.
THe early duckers, such as DEsk Sgt, Desk crew etc, will have it bad, they can't seem to stay for an entire tour, if you are part of the click in the district then you have early ducks too, it starts with /squad hold me down in the station for lunch and then time due, but try and find a slip, many dogasses will have less money in their check if and when this starts, 15 mins may not seem like alot but when you are habitually late it will cost you enough that you see it on your check, too bad,
Does the fire depts me too clause fall under this also? Because they dont necessarily Work the whole 24 for 24
Now its tact with 4 hour tours. Oh thats right sos tru and msf are gone so you must have some one to blame carry on.... brass sucks mayor sucks special units suck. The real peoblem in this dept is cry baby officers. I am sick and tired of hearing all the crying. Dont like it do something about it if you have more than 3 years on the job and havent gotten any plays you are the problem. Do your fuckin job and stfu!
In a District, its the Sgts job to make sure check-offs are done properly. The only waste that is going on is the money being spent planning and purchasing a swipe system for the Department. They will spend millions of $$$ to hopefully save a couple thousand $. I think the whole purpose of this is to give another do-nothing(s) hack/pet/family member/etc.. an excuse to hide out inside HQ with this idiotic "Swipe Unit".
The SCOTUS SAID OT IS NOT SUBJECT TO APPROVAL JUST TIME.
THEY DIDN'T START THE CLOCKS AND THEY CAN NEVER STOP THEM!
If it don't get done they will need more people and if it don't get done then they will need more COMPETENT people and lose the brown nosing phone calling race card playing sex card playing gay dancing illegally no speak English parasites and traitors.
Then we go for more money and full retirement with health care or put the City on pay-per-view and become opulently rich.
What will the desk people in the new 019 do?? No more coming in late, and leaving early! What a shame.
Two other elements of this "rumor" make it highly suspect: 1) None of those "turds" from the Crystal Ball Unit are in any position to be working on department policy regarding swiping. Most are back in districts. 2) Those machine have been used on and off for a few years. But they were not then and are not now tied into the payroll system. It's the typical CPD way of getting a company to create a system which isn't compatible with any of the other existing systems...and then wondering why it doesn't work. The amount of money and effort it would take to get these machines compatible to the point of them being tied into the payroll system will once again dissuade the brass from ever pursuing it.
Joke, there is nothing good that comes out of 35 th st. anymore. Nothing positive to keep us safe, better work environment, etc. Everyday its a move to make workers miserable. How about changing just 1 thing to give officers a positive perspective. Try something different
There's almost no perks left already and being able to leave after a decent arrest feels good and fuels you to continue te hunt.
The hunt? In 024 it's more like a scavenger hunt for our tact team. I didn't know that 024 had so many people pissing on the public way.
Ya, I'm sure that make you feel good at the end of the day.
News flash reported on WGN, appears the person who helped Emanuel get elected and pro Emanuel Aldermen get elected is behind a nation wide campaign to get speed cameras installed , apparently the co. will make 10s of millions of dollars. Best is, even though he is a consultant, he claims he never spoke to the mayor about installing cameras. Just read it in the newspaper a yr. ago.
Hahahahahahaha
I think I understand why millionaires want to be politicians
Remember that goldfinger is a pritzer and this is all legit.
Ha ha ha I wish they would. Watch the ot roll in for working coppers who don't drop a slip for thirty mins on a late arrest.
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Amen brother!
just like the gps in the new stars right? Drink the koolaide
""Ha ha ha I wish they would. Watch the ot roll in for working coppers who don't drop a slip for thirty mins on a late arrest.""
Boy those are some stupid "working coppers".
How is police work any different than any other job? You are expected to be there at a certain time and stick around till a certain time.
If you cheat your employer on either end of your assigned time to be there, you should expect some kind of disciplinary action.
I seem to remember this rumor about 5 times since they installed the machines about 11 years ago. I just know I will get more over time if it comes, I doubt it. Our start time and end time is very fluid depending on assignment. The only thing I know is that no boss will be held accountable when this great idea goes bad and besides everything else, creates total confusion. Look at the consildation of districts. I'm in one of these and its a mess. I don't think it will ever work. We have more backlog and shortage than ever. It will be more evident during the summer. Bad idea by one of these adminstative bosses but no one will be held accountable.
A days work for a days pay what is this job coming to?
no early ducks for the dollies and tac legends?
AND IF BY CHANCE, SOME ASSHOLE BOSS WANTS TO FUCK WITH ME OVER THE ISSUE, I WILL BE CONTACTING A LAWYER AND MAKING SURE THAT THIS PROCEDURE IS PUT IN PLACE FOR ALL SWORN PERSONNEL AND THAT I WAS NOT SINGLED OUT SO I COULD BE PUNISHED, DUE TO THE ASSHOLE FUCKING WITH ME. I will want it demonstrated that this policy was implemented fairly and administrated equally across the board, otherwise...$$$$!
Good luck with that...... You are the type that are ruining this job. You make it easy for them to screw with us and give the public reason to hate us. Ill sue if Im told to do my job. Ill sue because Im always late to work. Ill sue because I dont want to take pride in my appearance..... Give it a fucking break. No where in the private sector would anyone deal with your bullshit. your family would starve when your unemployment ran out......
I'm not on the job with CPD, so I need to ask: What is TVB? It almost sounds like a disease.
If you swipe in an hour early, will you get more pay?
3/12/2012 06:26:00 AM
Only if you had previous approval. Plus, if swiping in an hour early without approval is repeated, they can counsel you about it and lay the groundwork for disciplinary action.
They aren't re-assigning my on view arrest to anyone. They will either pay me the overtime or I will drag my feet while I am typing the arrest report for the RWOC. Either way, I'm getting mine. If anyone asked me to take over anyones arrest, I would absolutely refuse 1) because it goes against the whole swiping/overtime issue and 2) if ordered, the ordering supervisor is on the top line and the last line states "all information in this report was given to R/O by P.O. _________. R/O did not witness these events and is only processing the arrest by order of Lt./Capt._________. "About 2 of these reports would put a stop because of evidentiary value in court. So go ahead boss...try to order me to give up the arrest! What happens when the ordered officer screws up the report and we both get sued and the supervisor who gave the order is in the trick bag??? Fuck off boss!
what is iad's residential voodoo sergeant gonna do now that she can't sneak out in the freight elevator an hour before her tour of duty ends.
3/12/2012 05:36:00 AM
Who? Phil Mooziepoppa?
Fuck all you white shirts, my ot approval will now come from a machine. The city will pay dearly for this costing tax payers dearly as well.
3/12/2012 10:28:00 AM
Now here is a person who really does not know what they are talking about. This person thinks that just because they swipe out late they will get paid. You will still need approval to work overtime and if your watch commander thinks you are dogging it, he can do something about it.
Anonymous said...
fuck it. If I know I'm going to be late I'll just call it in and go on the medical.
3/12/2012 02:28:00 AM
Assholes like you are the reason our medical benefits are in jeopardy. They should fire you for abuse of the medical roll.
The company that I worked for when I retired from the job had a supervisors meeting each week. They went through everyones time card record and approved or disapproved OT. It is not automatic. The mere fact someone does not swipe in on time does not mean there will be a dock in pay.
O.M.G. I just dropped my wallet and my I.D. Fell out,I stepped on it,slipped,damaged the reading strip,and hurt my back on the fall,I'm IOD and I need a new ID,it going to cost them a pretty penny to replace these and I'm gonna miss NATO.....Lol!
Hey the City is taking away Special Employment!
Have to make up the loss somewhere for me!
Squad, Unavoidable TVB, DUI, Shoplifter Arrest are the Order of the day!
That retinal scanner business was funny!!
Who cares!
I have De-Policed long ago!
Someone shot in front of me in 007 or 011 and still won't get the Offender! That's how motivated I am to do this shit job!
FUCK THIS CITY!
Not only swiping but you will have to submit palm print! Machines are already in the districts!
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