Truly Stupid Idea
(Long post - read it all to get a feel for what's going on)
Once again, reinventing the wheel, but reinventing it stupidly. Our comment section is alive with some truly asinine policies invented by downtown:
Once again, reinventing the wheel, but reinventing it stupidly. Our comment section is alive with some truly asinine policies invented by downtown:
- God help the 011 district. McGoofs newest idea is going to get a copper killed. If you are on a beat car that has a violence zone, you must stay in that box the whole tour. You must have a PDT in the car, and ask for a relief for lunch and personals. You only take calls that are in your box.
If you are a beat car with no zone, you run your ass off all night, running all over the district ,working off the backlog. 6 beat cars right out of roll call are not taking jobs.
[...] NOW they want a FIXED FOOT POSTS IN THE VIOLENCE ZONE!! Further curtailing the cars responding to jobs and providing backup! Original idea was to have a car drop them off to STAND in 011 for their entire tour. Each a block from each other. And on all watches!!! How insane to expect any copper to stand by themselves on a damn block in a violence zone in 011 on any watch (1st watch- really???)
The first night they were allowed to have cars (must have a working PDT aka GPS) but how long will that last? Also the troops were ask to curtail their requests for time off in roll call.
011 is not the district to have 4 to 5 cars answering jobs. Back up is non existent and now fixed foot posts. The situation just gets worse and worse for the officers in 011. The bosses have put the 011 coppers in a very dangerous situation , that will only get worse!
Another comment on the same subject:
- Last night in 011 on first watch, 9 out of 18 cars were either in a zone or or a fixed posts-responding only to calls in their assigned zone. That's 9 cars remaining for a busy district to pick up the slack.the zone cars have to get relief for lunch and personals. Nothing like asking permission to pee! Mc Goof is an asshat. This strategy is dangerous.
And another:
- I'm surprised to see that no one is talking about what that piece of New York Shit told the 11th district commander. Besides the whole time due thing. He was told to have a police officer posted 24/7 at drug spots that the police shut down. [He] wants a copper standing on the street by themselves (like a lame duck in the middle of the ghetto) without a squad car or partner. [He] was grandstanding when he asked the room full bosses if anyone wanted to challenge him on this great idea. There was NOT one boss in that room that had the balls or even an ounce of courage to stand up to [him] and tell him what a stupid idea that us and that it will jepordize the safety of all officers assigned to that detail. This department has truly turned into a joke. Now I know why they made all the exempt ranks under 50 years old , because they are all to scared of loosing their spots by speaking up and the bosses over 50 are just scared little people that don't even belong on this job!
And e-mails:
- Today we were visited in roll call by Commander Washignton and Captain Bay (XO). They informed us that now IN ADDITION to these ridiculous zones that tie down 3 primary beat cars and 6 rapid/06 cars a night, we will now have 4 fixed foot posts, each manned by a 99 officer on all watches. On third watch today, 1125 and 1131 were removed from their beats and put on these foot posts, which are on 1112's beat. We were also advised that the p/os on said foot posts will not have a car, because according to McCarthy, if you give them a car, they will sit in it. All of this coming less than a week after 3 p/os in 011 went on IOD from having to wrestle with shitheads, and bricks were thrown at the police while they tried to pursue an agg batt offender. The REAL kicker though came when Cmndr Washington informed us that time due will be restricted. The number of people allowed to take off on any given day will be greatly reduced, especially on the weekends. If we wanted to discuss these issues with the Commander, we were told we had to wait because he was going out of town with his family (this is before my slip for Easter Sunday that I put in two months ago got denied). Apparently 011 and 007 are experiencing some kind of emergency situation that requires the Department to deny time due??Then we were told by Bay and Washington that they aren't looking for more arrests, but more contact cards because if you get out and contact card these people "they won't come back." (These are our "leaders" that actually believe this)The backlogs are literally hours long in 011. All priority 1a jobs have an avearge of 30 to 60 minutes on them because there is nobody that can come out of a zone or off of a corner to answer them. We are told that we need to ask permission to use the bathroom because we can't leave our "zone" or corner without a face to face relief. This is such a fucking joke and someone needs to fix it before, God forbid, somebody gets killed.
Another:
- ...twelve cars held down every single shift on all watches. The shift starts in backlog and hands off a backlog --twenty-four hour straight backlog! Downing beat cars to cover violence zones means entire square miles of the district have no police coverage.
One person complaining might be just someone with an axe to grind. Two might be a sympathetic ear for the first. Three people with the same basic complaint makes us sit up and notice and think there's something to this after all.
We've gotten a few dozen complaints along with at least that many e-mails, all relating the same thing:
- 011 is holding down three violence zones with 8 cars every single day, all shifts
- 011 is covering four fixed posts with 4 cars, every single day, all shifts
- manpower hasn't changed, but the bosses are restricting time due to three people on some days
That's 12 cars down every shift and almost no time due granted. Downing multiple beat cars is the dumbest thing we're heard. We have officers alleging that the backlogs are running 24 hours straight and we are starting to believe it.
We don't have any solutions for the 011 people. We did notice the FOP is making noise to address the time due restrictions but that isn't going to make up for missing holidays, birthdays and family events in the short term. Readers?
Labels: dumb ideas, safety issues
posted by SCC (retired) at 12:09 AM
301 Comments:
WE ARE DOOMED.
We will crumble from within.
Good luck to all and may you be safe in these crazy times.
GOD BLESS!
Readers?
you don't want to know what i'm thinking.
Chalkie
I was at this farce of a Compstat meeting. McDick kept asking the same thing over and over, "Tell me if I'm wrong." You could hear a pin drop. He kept harping on time due on the weekends. He said, give time due to your good guys. The quickest way to get people to do even less is restrict the time off even more.
Putting people on foot posts, with no car puts every officer in danger. What happens if 2 or 3 POS decide to attack this officer? What happens when someone throws a bottle or brick out of a passing car, or worse, takes a couple of shots! Hey Mike Shields, WAKE THE FUCK UP AND SAY SOMETHING BEFORE SOMEONE GETS HURT OR KILLED!!!
If an officer gets killed it's mccarthy's fault for proposing such a stupid plan. What an idiot.
Go back to new jersey!!!
Can we call him McStupid these days and his band of performing lap dogs. Did this guy ever man a beat car in NYC?
I bet racoon face thinks they are all good ideas
Working in 011 is becoming harder and harder. I find your not in a zone or fixed post, your running around all night. Also if your on fixed post good luck seeing another officer. I worked an 8 hour foot post and not one single officer drove past my location and if you 99 who is going to make sure some shithead didn't beat you or kill you. No one would know until your relief came.
What a joke this is becoming. Officer safety is out the window. Will it take an officer to get killed?
Wait I know McStupid should be a beat cop again for a day. Just like that show undercover bosses. Then we will see how things change when he is 99 on a foot post with no car or backup in the ghetto were you can get killed for looking at someone wrong.
I'm not a police officer, but this sounds dangerous to be put in an area by yourself just standing there these criminals don't respect authority. Can't your union do anything for you guys this sounds like a safety issue. In factories they have osha for safety complaints, what do the police have? Thank you and safe out there god bless.
Officers watch out the city wants to nail are asses to the wall for talking shit about them and the poor management skills Rahm and McCarthy have.
Perhaps Mc-Dickhead never learned from what happened in 1988 in NEW YORK.
From "COP SHOT" (Publication Date: June 12, 1990)
New York City police officer Byrne, age 22, was slain in 1988 while guarding the home of a witness in a drug case in Queens.
There were no lack of informants to the murder; the killers themselves, four young crack dealers ordered to carry out the execution by a minor druglord, boasted about their deed.
They were captured, tried and found guilty; all received long prison terms.
First off if this was a nicer district this would never fly.
Second hand the people that live in 011 don't give a shit about the community they live in. All they want is their link and section 8 housing.
Take that away from them and they might start to care about the area they live in.
How many white shirts would stand on a fixed foot post in the heart of 011???!!
As for the time due, call the Union. If I remember correctly, you cannot be denied time if you request it in a reasonable amount of time. A month sounds like a resonable amount of time. Make a copy of that "denied" slip. Get names. White shirts hate when you ask them to put their name to something that could come back to bite them later. Good luck brothers and sisters in 011. Stay safe.
I sat here for almost 30 minutes trying to find something, anything to say that could make a difference. I am about to leave this job (within days) and I am leaving with such a pall and sense of dread that I can not find any reason to be happy about my retirement. I will no longer call the mayor or superintendent names, we all know what abject failures they are. This latest debacle in 011 is further proof that this departments command staff have no idea how to fix this broken city. I am out of hope, and I pray now every night that my brothers and sisters will go home to their families at the end of their tour. I have no good feelings left for this job, one which I felt was an honorable calling. I will not refer to myself as a retired police officer and will try my best to forget that I am leaving at the very lowest point in this once premier departments history. Like the old adage says: gonna miss the clowns, not the circus. God bless you all and keep you safe. St. Michael please have their back. I hear the piper calling and it is a dirge for this city and the good people still left to exist here. I got nuthin' else, bye.
When are they going to realize we need to hire more police? And when are we going to realize that the powers that be do not care about us....we need to stick together in this. No revenue.
Carry your rifle, you'll be fine.
How insane to expect any copper to stand by themselves on a damn block in a violence zone in 011 on any watch (1st watch- really???)
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SORRY
Read THE FOP contract.
2 man units in "hours of darkness"
Sunset will be at 1918hrs
today: 2 April 2012.
Make sure you have a partner
AND REFUSE to work alone.
Reference:
www.timeanddate.com/worldclock
/astronomy.html?n=64
Why is a footpost a stupid idea? Because you think you're going to be attacked? I agree a 10-99 footpost isn't smart but what's wrong with a 10-4 footpost if they are allowed to use the restroom whereever they wanted?
Wait a minute...doesn't 011 have like, 5 homicides this year. That's incredible considering 007 has like 15. I think 011 is tied with some northside districts.
All true. Hey, Garry! THIS IS NOT NEW YORK! WE DON'T HAVE 30,000 OFFICERS! THE STRATEGIES USED THERE WILL NOT EQUAL SUCCESS HERE! And fuck you. God help the 011th District.
YES.. this is all true.
It came out Thursday along with the shit about "rising to attention" when an exempt walks in the roll call room.
To say the least.... EVERYONE on my watch is tuned out and do NOT give a fuck about anything anymore.
. . . . counting the minutes to pension time.
I don't agree with fixed posts at all, especially on foot in 011. What happens when one of us gets picked off by some angry jagoff? Will McMuffin admit it was a bad idea? I would guess no!!!!
I truly hope this is a bad April fools day joke
Well I agree with those contact cards, I have a bunch taped on my car window the garage and all my house windows , I haven't seen a soul out here. Not one. It works, the folks in 016 asked me what those cards where, see only the. Thugs know , only they know , kept on repeating.,
Yup, just do a "USM G/011" on your PDT and you'll see the stupidity.
011 is among only a handful of districts without and increase in homicides, we are down 30%
024 is up, 008 is up, 017 is up, 010 is up
Slow districts are posting 400% increases YET they are f**king w/ 011.
Even the bosses acknowledge its stupid by saying "this is coming from downtown". No boss wants to touch it
Roger...if you don't take care of the troops they won't take care of you!...It always has been a two way street. And by the way, the've been selling dope at Ohio and Avers since 1342, that's why Columbus came here!
Scc, whose brainstorm was this new court system. U have the gang team that pulls out of belmont going to court on grand and central? Plus switched start time from 930 to 9 to eliminate ot. For always pushin for numbers they sure are making court a pain in the ass. Im sure thats not the only unit affected by the changes. But from a glance they all seemed half ass thought thru
"God help the 011 district. McGoofs newest idea is going to get a copper killed. If you are on a beat car that has a violence zone, you must stay in that box the whole tour. You must have a PDT in the car, and ask for a relief for lunch and personals. You only take calls that are in your box."
Welcome to the Suburbs CPD!!
The perpetual backlog also guarantees a lower crime rate since persons will not wait forever for the police to report crimes. When the officers eventually arrive to a call, they can't find the victims/complainants. Thus crime is not reported. Obviously, they can not do that with homicides since the body is not going anywhere. That's is why all crime is down except homicides. Bingo!!!
Similiar situation at our home.
"Rope a dope" carries the day.
time to bid out but wait, no bid spots opening anywhere--- the next best thing is to hit the medical and take care of one of those old injuries you have been putting off fixing forever--- standing out at a tip by yourself with no car and no partner, bad idea--- bring plenty of bullets and hand grenades....
step one arrive on post
step two go in with a tvb
repeat
dont write city violations
How about just hiring more cops, and letting them be the POLICE.
Then possibly, start a unit that can go from “violence zone” to “violence zone” throughout the city.
Oh wait, we did that already…
I guess we're pretty much fucked.
Hey how about the commander of 6 ordering p.o's to buy new shoes cuz they're not shiny enuff for his liking? What a joke these people in charge are. These animals don't think twice anymore about fighting with or even shooting at the police but this clown wants p.o's to have shiny shoes. This department is a complete embarassment with these clowns that they put in charge. These so called "leaders" are nothing but a bunch of suckass merit promoted jagoffs who kill morale and don't have a clue about police work. Fuck this city
Are there any openings in 011? There will be soon.
Listen stupid, that was real nice that you got Pearson that star he wanted. It's a shame he had to get almost killed to have that happen. Here is the best advice that anyone will ever give you on this job and I won't take personal credit. Several of us retirees discussed this so this is the the advice of over two hundred years of Chicago Police tactical experience. Gather together at least twenty of the old school bosses from units and districts across the city. Real bosses not numbskulls. Ask a few oldtimers before they're all gone. They will tell you how to fight gangs, combat narcotics, catch bad guys and protect your officers. They'll tell you the truth because they lived it. Listen to people who give a shit because the people you're listening to now are just covering their own asses and when the shit hits the fan they'll put everything on you.
Sounds like McNutty gone wild. But hey crime is down and we have plenty of police officers!
Those officers in 011 should contact the union ASAP.
I would think being forced to stand, by yourself, on a drug corner in 011 definitely constitutes a safety grievance.
I predict we only have a few more months to put up with this asshole. The problem will be what Rahm will replace him with. We didn't think we could get worse than JFed and look what Rahm did to us.
Doesnt it say by general order we don't have to go out 99 on 3rd or 1st watch?
Yet the cloutt baby " squad get me a paper car out here " , dumb as fuck hairgells are only too eagar to serve. Are you still proud to call this idiot your friend? And don't forget they are now saying that teachers that have now retired can have their pensions reduced under a new initiative to save dough by bumbling idiot Quinn. How long before this reaches all city agencies? Yep this job is looking more and more like a the mistake of a lifetime instead of the oportunity it used to be. Clouttbaby hairgells thought this was "money for nothin and chicks for free" , now more coppers will be assasinatedout there. But make no mistake they will use these posts as a punishment for those who refuse to play ball. Its all legit!!!!
I have one solution for all of you young, aggressive officers of the 11th district. Continue to work hard. Get out there and be aggressive. Stop people, arrest them. Write parkers, write movers, tvb people, impound their cars, tow away their cars. Keep working hard. There is a light at the end of the tunnel.
I am laughing my fucking ass off! So what have you officers in 011 have learned from this fiasco? Did any of your hard work pay off? Do the bosses appreciate you going out there and being an aggressive officer?
I am one of those officers that is assigned to a zone and I dont do a damn thing anymore in regards to activity. I check off wiTH a big fat zero everyday unless I can't avoid it. I dont even do a contact card or dispersal. This coming from someone who used to do activity each day. So who suffers from all of this? The citizens.
The only thing I am concerned about is my fellow officers and myself going home each day.
Gmac and all those who had a hand in this nonsense going on in 011 I sincerely hope they get run over by a bus. Twice!
McCarthy. GO BACK TO NEW YORK. WE DONT WANT YOU HERE
I work in 014. Not at all as busy as 011 but time due has been denied left and right. Also cars are being told not to leave their beat. I just got on the watch (after 6 1/2 years) and was looked like a crazy person for backing up a car that was a beat over. Also had a Sgt. tell me to get back in the district, over the air, after I was involved in a car chase involving a agg batt offender in a neighboring district. Now I know why watch personal doesn't want to work. Bosses are scared of their own shadows.
and why exactly are we giving money to the fop? stand for something or go down for everything.
That's what I signed up for, to be a security guard, watching a corner.
These brazen bastards are bold enough to take you on when you have a partner, can you imagine how brazen they'll be if they realize you can't get any help for a minute or 2? This reminds me of the CHA, the guards in the booth would get a fool pointing a gun at them, get disarmed and get the shit kicked out of them.
Hey Mcgoof, this ain't Jersey or New York, we got hardened criminals here that will kill you without a second thought. That's why our murder rate is so high, theys killuhs out here.
Go ahead, restrict time off and wonder why the medical roll is full of people after you put them on a shit job, walking a corner. It's not even a beat, it's a fucking corner! Go hire one of those mannequins, put a pig suit on him and voila! Instant police.
There should no activity in the entire District while any Officer is standing on the street like a fucking sitting duck. Nothing! Just answer jobs and do that while complying with all traffic laws. Arrests on signed complaints only. Any Officer generating activity should be shunned and no one should work with them. Put it on paper that the Officer is too reckless and refuse to work with them. If a Supervisor orders activity, make them the complainant. It's not a job action and you cannot be disciplined if you answer your jobs. 11th District Officers need to show the current administration who controls the streets and it's not headquarters. This needs to continue until this Officer safety issue is reversed
I respect the hell out of any copper who is shot, but I don't understand why Del would say this Mc Idiot "cares" and is a "great guy ". He's putting our guys lives in jeopardy, and I'm sure they feel the same when I say I'd rather not be shot or ambushed or have this happen to another officer just so he is nice to me or becomes my "friend". All you guys in 011 be safe, and I would still back each other up, no idiot boss is worth one of our lives!!
No justice, no police!
Nothing like giving dude the opportunity to earn his gang cred by leaving a policeman standing on the corner like a target.
I am retired but years ago the CPD had a program called walk and talk, sounds similar to having an Officer walk On his own in a high crime District, if memory serves me correctly, two Officers were killed by sniper fire in Cabrini Green as a result of this program, an Officers safety should always come first before a political knee reaction.
Car 54 with deadly results.
McKathy is a joke. Having a single officer among animals is just crazy. Guess more officers will be going on medical/iod. Dogs still dont get the attention they should get. In this department laziness and ignorance are rewarded. Makes me wanna go out there and make arrests!
Looks like the occurrences of medical and IOD will skyrocket here in 011. There's more than one way to skin a cat, and coppers are the best at scamming and making things work for them. I know that for any day I'm denied time away from my family for something important I will make it back 3-fold via developing flulike symptoms. And there ain't enough bosses to check on/discipline everybody that doesn't adhere to every caveat of the medical policy. DO NOT play games with our family time unless you want total anarchy. Chalk this one up for another shining command decision...and right before NATO when you'd think "bosses" would want their troops happy and on the same page.
Another epic fail in CPD policy making moment.
Time to lay down boys.
I was working a beat car the other day and tried stopping a car that I thought was stolen. Car would not pull over right away and when they did I thought they were gonna bail. I asked for an assist car AND NOBODY came up. First time in 17 years I didn't get a car to respond. Dispatcher asked 3 times for a car to respond.
I was off of Rosevelt and mozart so 3 10th dist cars showed up. It is very bad for back up right now and yes we have at least 8-10 cars downed per shift.
What a freakin joke. No cars to back each other up. SOMEONE IS GONNA GET HURT!!!!
Shame on every exempt in that room. You all make me sick. And Washington, how do you sleep at night?
Sorry but this is what we get for not sticking together!
This has been going on in 007 since jan. 011 is a little late to the party, also since jan in 007 the Tac teams have only been allowed to work the zones. Was wondering when 011 would join us !
This is a pi**-poor way to address the manpower shortage by putting a single officer on foot patrol in the 11th district.
That's guaranteeing he or she will be killed or maimed. The dope sellers hang in groups on the corners and a lone officer on foot is an inviting target. The idea is stupid and someone with "cahones"
needs to address the situation before it gets out of hand. Where is the FOP on this ? Don't they care that their members are
about to be sacrificed because someone else at the top is too damm ignorant, cheap, or un-caring to protect the officers while they are doing their jobs ?And it's sad to say that the bad guys outnumber the olice officers.
I give it no time at all before shirley and dwayne are complaining to their revruns about the lack of police service and 9.5 gets an earful.
Unfortunately I am on their side with this one. 1A jobs waiting for an hour is not good, there WILL be an incident of some sort with this fucked up plan.
Bit even a car for cover, are they fucking crazy?
Being 1-person on a fixed foot post is dangeroud in 011. Contact your FOP rep and file a safety grievance. Get something on the record so that if (God forbid) a disaster occurs there will be a paper trail to the responsible party.
Thank you for addressing this !
011s is not the place to curtail manpower. 011 had the best backup in the city IMHO, now you are going to your domestics and mental calls with none. you must have back up there as all the savages want to fight.
I fear that due to the chilly weather, the bosses are going to ths this insane idea works wonders and will roll it out to all districts. I'm sure this is a pilot program as Mc Goof wants the whole dept to go NYPD.
I'm sure taser deployments, OBRs, and iods have already had an increase.
They are ruining a good district and will get a good copper hurt!
signed-stuck in 011
A fixed foot post and 99 on midnights?
Talk about a suicide mission!
Just a read here. I recall CPD had issues with radio battery's not lasting an entire shift. Is this still a big issue? What are the Officers with out a car supposed to do?
Insanity!! Are they trying to get someone killed? Does the contract even allow this? And youre dead on about the youthful bosses. Everyone of them is scared sh*tless of losing their soft spot, MF's!! Im so glad Im out of that Area, thank you Jesus!
If an Officer did a tour and never saw a car that is not the 011 I remember. Come on guys, if you are not on a jiob go sit with that Officer. What the fuck?
All goose eggs at checkoff.
Fuck the 99 foot post. Guys and girls in 011, make sure a car comes and picks this PO up or stays with him/her at all times. In essense, leave your post. With no car they cant prove you werent there. What boss is going to snitch that a PO was not at their post...Not one in 011...none of them want to be hated by the rank and file...someone has to test the waters. Our safety is most important...
OT Did anyone see the video of the new commander of 015 already marching with the crowds on Sunday.
Who is running this department?
The Dept is worried about the crime box but the leaders are only looking for Photo ops and sound bites. This march was started for what happened down in Florida but we can roll it into some good up here. Give me a break!
Fuck the foot posts....fuck you sue me...if you are put on one...go in with an on-view arrest...IOD...or just plain leave the post...no GPS if you dont have a car...fuck the 011th district front office...
Did Washington tell you at roll call that he sat there mute and did not support his men?
011 time to stand together...fuck the face to face relief foot posts...dont leave your fellow officers out to dry...man the fuck up...10-4 units need to take turns parking next to these foot post officers...go down on a street stop at foot post location...I will check on whomever gets picked tomorrow to do 99 footposts in the 10 and 20...
Hey, stop talking about the Superintendent he’s my friend and a great guy, he cares, that’s why your on the corner all night…because he cares…OK
These are great ideas and I’m on board. You guys in 011 have it made, stop complaining. The Superintendant knows how to stop crime in the ghetto. Evidently you guys don’t know because crime is still out of control in 011.
Please stop embarrassing my friend McCarthy, just stand on the corner and shut the hell up. God I’m thirsty more Kool-Aid please. Oh by the way, when am I getting my spot Superintendent?
You forget the great statements made by commander Washington and XO Bay ......"We aren't asking, we are telling you". (in regards to zone missions, foot patrol) then right after they told us "how great we are doing" the dropped the bomb about the time due. Fuck them! We have to stop ALL activity and regain control. No parkers, no movers, Anovs, citations, contact cards, arrests....... Until they wise up and end all this nonsense. So stop all activity all u tricky boys.......and all you guys with 10 years on who still "like to lock up joe" wake the fuck up! No Activity.......ask them to "put it in writing what activity u want me to get"
Why don't they put the exempt on the corners?! Let them earn their money for once!
Roger Bay is a Koolaide Konnoisseur whose only interest is securing his gold star.
A company man thru and thru, he's obviously not happy holding a rank that few will ever see. Having the juice to make 130K+ a year via Captains bars, and still you feel a need to quench your thirst with 35th Street Koolaide.
I guess it doesn't matter when it's not YOU being denied time off from your family or standing on a corner in the ghetto at 2am by yourself. One of many corners where the block will empty out on a dozen officers when the urge strikes. Or where the savage isn't concerned about the repercussions of taking a shot or two at uniformed officers. Guys on my log will NEVER stand a foot post in another sector.
Roger Bay = Company Man Clout Sellout
- Signed,
A 3/W Sergeant Who Doesn't Drink The Koolaide
fuck you pussy ass mother fuckers for. not standing up and saying no Fucking way im I endangering a officers life by these actions. I work in 011..I stood up and called Gary on subjects at our "meeting " if I was at roll call I'd of stood and call Eric and Roger out on it also (( yeah been im 011 along time)) .....what are they going to do? put me on a foot post in 011? ((oh wait )) .
fuck it again fuck You ...come get me ...midtown ranger
Just FYI. Give it time and like with everything, this to shall pass. Back each other up and get home safe. The Sgt's have alot more responsibility now. Not only is time due restricted but so are early ducks.
They make you do things you wouldnt usually do. That being said, the medical is an avenue to show solidarity, when shit gets way out of control, as in 011. Or, just refuse to work 99, as defined in our contract. Theirs a way out if you want, lets see if any of you have it in you.
Quick facts. Obamma will not be reelected and it looks like Zimmerman won't go to prison for defending himself. Sooooo, this will be the rebirth of the civil rights movement.A violent one. Only this time nobody was wronged except the non blacks. They have taken entitlement to new levels now.
Someone take MCGOOF by the hand down to the lobby at 35th st. Have him watch the video memorial to Severin and Rizzato. That's why you don't stand on foot on a fixed post in the ghetto!!!!!!!!
019 has 400 police officers and need to be thinned out. Why not send the bottom 100 to 011 and give these positions to them ? Along with 20 sgts, you can have full platoon of hard chargers at the ready, Easy Fix !
Meanwhile back at the ranch 223 shooting victims (agg batt handgun) in the month of March. Lots of multiples. Nobody wants to talk about that, but they want you standing on a damn footpost by yourself in the damn ghetto. Most disturbing is that not one boss stood up for us in comstat meeting telling this dude someones gonna get hurt or even killed (God forbid) I guess they really don't give a fuck.
Write case reports for every call. That will show an increase in crime. Make an arrest at every oppurtunity that will force the bosses to end this crazy plan. Everyone start coming in with an arrest. Most important stay safe back each other up and go home at the end of the tour.
Google "fragging"
Where the hell is the fop on this issue what's joke.
News flash : Virtually nobody works for the CPD anymore. Sure, people reluctanly put on the costume and show up at the facilities, but only to laugh and ridicule the current bosses, circumstances and excempts. Plan your exit people before Rahm plans it for you. Unless you want to be tricked into making new friends in high places like some officers. But you almost have to pay the ultimate price for that honor. Work hard and prosper...somewhere else.
007 has the zone crap too!NO CARS TO ANSWER JOBS!eveyone in zones!PUT THE WAGONS IN THE ZONES,AND LET CARS DO THEIR THING!!
They did this get out and walk and talk in 003 in 1971. We noticed someone crouched in the bushes three houses away from the walking beat guy. We stopped him and got an M-2 carbine.
Also does anyone remember Severin and Rizzato..I'm going to the Amnesty hearing for Johnny veal next week. They were walk and talkers.
This department is fucking SUNK. It's all over. Citizens thinking about becoming Chicago Police... RUN far away and find another line of work. This department is a mess and it's beyond fixing at this point.
Just look at it this way, all you suburban born or sons of daddy's that were the police and grew up in a nice Chicago police neighborhood can still say you work in "the wild west side."
The FOP better open theior mouths sooner than later on this situation. 011..Officers...refuse to go out as 99 ubits at night. make a Deputy come in and give you a direct order and document it.
I just retired and right in time I see. Our beloved CPD is gone!
Stay safe brothers and sisters. Back each other up!
I quit.
Also had a Sgt. tell me to get back in the district, over the air, after I was involved in a car chase involving a agg batt offender in a neighboring district.
Hey stupid fuck that's the Sgt.'s job is to make sure that you are back in you district. I mean you guys can't have it both ways either you want the supervisors out there doing thief job or you don't. Typical copper bitch when told to do something and bitch when others are not being told what to do.
The Bear said...
I sat here for almost 30 minutes trying to find something, anything to say that could make a difference. I am about to leave this job (within days) and I am leaving with such a pall and sense of dread that I can not find any reason to be happy about my retirement. I will no longer call the mayor or superintendent names, we all know what abject failures they are. This latest debacle in 011 is further proof that this departments command staff have no idea how to fix this broken city. I am out of hope, and I pray now every night that my brothers and sisters will go home to their families at the end of their tour. I have no good feelings left for this job, one which I felt was an honorable calling. I will not refer to myself as a retired police officer and will try my best to forget that I am leaving at the very lowest point in this once premier departments history. Like the old adage says: gonna miss the clowns, not the circus. God bless you all and keep you safe. St. Michael please have their back. I hear the piper calling and it is a dirge for this city and the good people still left to exist here. I got nuthin' else, bye.
4/02/2012 01:02:00 AM
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It's the lowest point SO FAR.
Are the bosses also demanding you wear targets!?
I,am a citizen and not the police this is fucking unbelieveable!!
How fn stupid do you have to be, to place anyone in this type of jeopardy?
And these idiots that think this shit up are being paid well to do it:
http://directives.chicagopolice.org/forms/CPD-61.400.pdf
Isnt the community supposed to take over the drug spots
Glad i left that shithole...same pay in 020!!! Pretty soon 016 is gonna have one p.o. per watch!!
These bosses just have no clue on how to fight crime! Like putting band aid on a shot gun blast!
This city needs to hire more Police! Cheap ass Rahm would rather build more flower pots and build more runways then hire the manpower we need!
Stupid ass mc goof needs to take his ass back to new york or where ever this idiot came from!
So glad to be real close to KMA status!
Da Pelon
he was second in command on 9/11....ten years ago. when he was 42 or 43. second in command of the largest police force in the country at that age. so that means he wore a blue shirt for how long???? anyone with more than four years on has more experience than this asshole, and he's showing it with his decisions
This will soon be in every district
it's called beat integrity , no more hanging out in 12 or cicero .
It must be nice to have 38000 police, one of the highest police to citizen ratios in the free world, but here, where we are getting to the lowest ratio, it does not work.
When the gang bangers and the reverends know where the police are, they just go around the corner.
Fixed posts were trired before, in the 70's, we had lots more manpower then. It did not work.
the new Capt over at public transportation started a heated verbal altercation with the new Lt over locker space. it was like watching my children fight over the wii remote. it was so funny i almost began to cry!
I know that if I was still working ( retired), I would not want to walk a foot post 10-99 on any watch and I certainly would not want to approach people and fill out field contact cards. You are too vulnerable. I don't know if this is or has been done in NYPD, but I certainly would like to know. Foot posts are something that should be done, but not an officer walking alone. And, are the commanders going to discriminate on these walking posts? Only men? Only big men? No women? No former secretaries and office folks? I wonder? This is a radical change for how things have been done in CPD. They mayor needs to hire more cops right away.The restriction on time due usage? Well that has been going on for decades back and forth. You cant take this job and expect to have time off when you need it. Just not realistic. Get used to that.The job has never been good for family life. Face to face relief? That is done in many cities around the country, nothing new about that. Walking beats have always been used as an excuse by way too many to get lost for the tour.
I've long since retired but I remember back in the days of foot beats in Cabrini Green. Most of us took our personal cars and parked in somewhat secure spots where we read books, listened to music or watch TV from our portables. Now you've got tablet computers, streaming video and a host of other entertainments. Come up for air every few hours, write a parking ticket if you want, move your vehicle so as to not create concern and your Sgt/Lt. will look the other way if they even have time to look for you in the first place. Not a bad gig if you know how to work it. Most importantly, stay safe.
This is absurd! In essence we are providing 24/7 Security Service for one of the most non-tax paying populations in the City! This totally contradicts the concept of proactive community policing. And it cannot last forever. What is to be done when the gangs realize that by sending their "Boyz" out to be arrested for minor bullshit like drinking on the street, etc.; that will pull cars from other spots and leave key areas unprotected. The whole strategy is insane! Meanwhile, what are these people doing to take responsibility for their own kids and their own actions? Chicago's Westside has become a government run Plantation with the police as overseers! The only crops produced on this plantation is illegitimate babies and Democrat votes! Baby "G"
McCarthy is turning this once proud department into a McJob in short-order. Be safe out there.
Anonymous said...
Hey how about the commander of 6 ordering p.o's to buy new shoes cuz they're not shiny enuff for his liking? What a joke these people in charge are. These animals don't think twice anymore about fighting with or even shooting at the police but this clown wants p.o's to have shiny shoes. This department is a complete embarassment with these clowns that they put in charge. These so called "leaders" are nothing but a bunch of suckass merit promoted jagoffs who kill morale and don't have a clue about police work. Fuck this city
4/02/2012 02:25:00 AM
OH The Inhumanity of it all! The department asking you to wear shoes that are not worn down and polished with a chocolate bar? The next thing you know they will be asking you to wear a clean and servicable uniform with no tears or rips or lunch stains? Boy oh boy are things getting bad.
I wanna do a foot post in 011, so I can twist my ankle! Get a clue guys in 011. Use your contract to you advantage! Safety greivences working 99 on 3rd and 1st watch! What they gonna do to you on midnights, dump you into a car???? And the guys responding to jobs take your time and give out all the reports you can. In the meantime put your blinders on so you don't need the backup that's not there.
If Mc Dummy was such a super Cop, they would have kept him where was .
If The CPD functioned like the human body it would have two Assholes. One for bowel movements & one as its "leader" !!!
Anonymous said...
Why is a footpost a stupid idea? Because you think you're going to be attacked? I agree a 10-99 footpost isn't smart but what's wrong with a 10-4 footpost if they are allowed to use the restroom whereever they wanted?
4/02/2012 01:15:00 AM
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It sounds like you overdosed on the "Kool-Aid" !!!
4/02/2012 12:30:00 AM
Um people that work should be rewarded. Fuck the dogasses that don't do shit. That is the problem with this department now, no one harps on the dogs. They just let them do whatever the fuck they want. The people that get in trouble are the workers. Sounds like society huh? Working class gets stiffed while the welfare recipients get everything. Ridiculous. I DON'T CARE ABOUT A DOGASSES MORALE. I care about mine and my fellow workers morale. They are the ones that are backing me up, not the woof woof.
Have the balls to refuse the assignment. The contract clearly states 2 man assignments after dark.
Grow a pair!
Can we say PUNISHMENT! This is the way of small thinkers.
There's nothing new here. Some of you may remember 018 in the early 70's, one officer was assigned to a project building or a block beat and switched off with his partner who was driving the car; four hours walking and four hours driving. If you wanted to take a personal you had to call your sergeant who would drive you to the station and drive you back. It was called the "Walk and Talk" program. We had those bullshit portable cinder blocks they called radios. I'm sure it sucks now just as it did then, we lived and so will you. Be safe.
This is the same stupid shit that didn't work in Housing 1980's circa
stupid then...........stupid now!
an enterprising P.O. showed us how to deal with it.....less than 2 week, they had to dump it. find the laziest slob cop in the district and he can tell you in 3 minutes what to do
But I'm sure McRib is a good guy other than this, rite? Hello?? Anyone there???
The time has come to show the little racoon, who resides at 4228 N. Hermitage, that he isn't running shit. That time is MAY, let the anarchists and protesters burn this City...stand down. WE have more in common with them than the millionaire mayor and Mc whisky. If NATO is a success than the little racoon looks good, let's stop RAHM dead in his tracks and put an end to his political aspirations of becoming President. WE will see who sticks what in whose ear RAHM...the most DANGEROUS person is one with nothing to lose and WE are all quickly feeling that way.
Nikita Kruschev once said at a UN meeting that the Soviet Union would destroy the USA from within. The mayors of this city have done the same with the once great Police Department.
Heard 11Dubs is gonna be footpost sgt... any truth?
Stupid idea!! Not only happening in 011 but in 007 too. They're looking for volunteers for a fixed foot post on 63/Ashland. Guess how many volunteered??? ZERO!!
What the hell is YOUR UNION doing about this?
Officers, you need to contact your union and state your case. You're in a dire situation, and you need to ACT to protect yourselves.
Stand up and speak up to your union...what other recourse do you have?
You guys don't get it, McCarthy is grasping for air, he is doomed for failure, Said thing is that everything he has done has failed, yet we have no balls young bosses who are lining their pockets with big dollars from big salaries, this is paying for their kids education, wifves big shiny SUV's and bling bling, and letting them walk around like they are the Cocks of the North and South, Why should they jeopardize this for all of you blue shirts, just go out there make them look good and don'tworry about getting your little asses hurt or possibly killed working in these ridiculus spots in 7 and 11. Naturally I'm only kidding about you PO's, but what really saddens me is that as a Sgt. I really try to look out for my workers, why don't FOP leadership step up and say not to work 99 units at night, back in the late 70's we workedour asses off to get this into policy, Fuck time off, if they don't grant it greive it, do nothing but back each other up and do only what is needed to get by, let th revenue from tickets fall, after all come contract time we are all getting it up the poop chute. STAY SAFE !!!!
No doubt some unfortunate officer will get gunned down because the natives are not happy taking away their drug money. McSwiggle, and his worthless exempts, don't have to walk around by themselves at night in these death traps created by him. Unfucking real!
If an officer does get hurt because of the blatant disregard for safety (which has already been proven) can we sue the city?
can I get an event number?
Anonymous said...
I was at this farce of a Compstat meeting. McDick kept asking the same thing over and over, "Tell me if I'm wrong." You could hear a pin drop. He kept harping on time due on the weekends. He said, give time due to your good guys. The quickest way to get people to do even less is restrict the time off even more.
Putting people on foot posts, with no car puts every officer in danger. What happens if 2 or 3 POS decide to attack this officer? What happens when someone throws a bottle or brick out of a passing car, or worse, takes a couple of shots! Hey Mike Shields, WAKE THE FUCK UP AND SAY SOMETHING BEFORE SOMEONE GETS HURT OR KILLED!!!
4/02/2012 12:30:00 AM
And you said.... NOTHING.
Charges dropped against the old timer (I know he was a convicted felon ) who shot the young piece of shot in mid burglary...people still have a right to protect their property and possibly their lives. One step away from being a home invasion and with these animals a homicide. Oh and by the way fuck you Mc Drunk and the dancing racoon...
(OT) Cameras really work here! As usual "when animals attack!"
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2012/03/31/mpls-police-ponder-8-p-m-curfew-after-youth-mob-attacks/
This was tried back in the early 1980's people. I know because I had to walk a post on Chicago Ave. having only a few years on the job. However, come dusk, all officers on foot post were picked up by a partner and told to get the fuck out of there. Shooting fuckers back then just like today. It lasted one police period before a boss with common sense intervened.
McStupid, McGruff, McGoof or whatever name you go by, there will be blood on your hands when an officers is stabbed, shot and / or killed.
Just how FUCKING STUPID are you?
The same "strategy" is going on in 025. Every night the commander downs all rapid cars and puts them in the violence zone. They are not allowed to take any jobs leaving all the beat cars to scramble all night to handle the backlog. thats an extra 5 cars in the the violence zone. The brilliant leadership has also created 2 extra tac teams in 025 for a total of 5 teams! thats nearly 50 extra officers that offer no help to handle jobs in a very busy district. idiots
10-4" NOT "10-99" said...
How insane to expect any copper to stand by themselves on a damn block in a violence zone in 011 on any watch (1st watch- really???)
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SORRY
Read THE FOP contract.
2 man units in "hours of darkness"
Sunset will be at 1918hrs
today: 2 April 2012.
Make sure you have a partner
AND REFUSE to work alone.
Reference:
www.timeanddate.com/worldclock
/astronomy.html?n=64
4/02/2012 01:15:00 AM
can't find it.
what section???
You want RESPECT boos? EARN IT! The total management structure is a fucking joke,the cowards afraid to speak up, now your putting officers out there to possibly be hurt/killed? Stand up when you come in the room? LOL! Sure king! As a veteran 28 years on the job, i can remember when real men commanded this department,now we have nothing but hacks, that will get an overinflated pension!
Hey boss you let mccrazy take your duty and uniform pay without any complaint! How do the exempt ranks sleep at night?
Sorry assholes stand up in 011, alone better get your load of IOD forms ready, ready set go! We have less to worry about nato bullshit than about the cowardly who will not back the police!
6 months and I will retire to my Brothers and Sisters in Blue if you can use this city to pay for a better degree,get it and move to another department this ship is sunk! Today's paper says rahmbo wants to be president in 2016,and I want to be Queen of England yes it will happen!!
Once again peolple expect to be spoon fed by the FOP. You need to file safety grievances so the FOP can take action.
"Tell me if I'm wrong?"
You're WRONG. AND here's the reasons why......
NO ONE could say that in the meeting?
Then, CPD has NO leaders AND NO ONE who could ever be elevated to Superintendent in the future.
It's as simple as that. As a taxpayer, I do NOT want any chronic kiss-asses to be promoted to Superintendent and we should look at this moment as the "Qualifying test for Superintendent".
If there was complete silence like you say there was- then NONE of these merit hacks - and EVERYONE ELSE - is NOT qualified to take that leadership position.
What a bunch of overpaid MOPES!
CPD is the Peter Principle personified. We should be paying these idiots half their salaries - and a quarter of their pensions.
Clint Eastwood said it best,"This is a clusterfuck."
Not A LEO, JAFO
Just about every idea that comes from HQ has its questions. I just put up with the nonsense and go along with their revolutionary plan, ride out the storm and before you know it - same old business as usual.
Fyi-it's nothing new, we did that foot patrol thing years ago and it lasts a period or two. Stay fed, dry and safe.
Eventually the City will hire more police, as this was an old idea the Mayor has yet to rehash.
It's always expected of a new Supt or boss to come up with these hair brained schemes. No boss wants to come out and tell the truth, we all know what bs these plans are how an understaffed Dept can't be effective, but the mayor wants hear otherwise. And the media wants to report that soon we will be 100% crime free.
Time to start building a case for punitive damages against all responsible parties. Just a matter of time for these schemes get someone hurt.
Rumor has it, districts wil have stand up roll calls due to the fact a P.O failed to say "hello" to a certin boss!! The hits keep coming, now go out and lock some ppl up!! Morale is at an all time high
Why is a footpost a stupid idea? Because you think you're going to be attacked? I agree a 10-99 footpost isn't smart but what's wrong with a 10-4 footpost if they are allowed to use the restroom whereever they wanted?
4/02/2012 01:15:00 AM
so, i take it you're volunteering?
excellent.
Chalkie
I have one solution for all of you young, aggressive officers of the 11th district. Continue to work hard. Get out there and be aggressive. Stop people, arrest them. Write parkers, write movers, tvb people, impound their cars, tow away their cars. Keep working hard. There is a light at the end of the tunnel.
4/02/2012 04:11:00 AM
a bright, white light?
an 'all are welcome' kinda light?
ATTENTION!!! OFFICER SAFETY ISSUE! HEY FOP YOU THERE? Why the hell would anyone want to work there or just work under these conditions? I'm sure there will be no opeings so all the guys will be trapped.
Those that work...understand that activity and awards will get you nowhere on this job...if you do it, do it for yourself, for the court time, or because you hate the animal....period...I never ask a boss for anything and expect to be left alone. Word on the street is that half the bosses in 011 are soft. Work will get you nowhere fast with them because half of them never did any real work in their police careers. God only knows how they got promoted...pathetic...keep eating chips and salsa while your sidekick keeps critisizing arrest reports. No worries, you are both welcome in the 30 sector.
When you are forced to work a foot post in 011, make sure you sign out a rifle or shotgun. Matter of fact sign out both!
As soon as the reverends see officers standing on the corners with a rifle in one hand and, a shotguns in the otherthey will put an end to this.
I am sickened and embarrassed what this job has become. Officers, be safe - the best you can. McCarthy is retarded, really he is. Maybe bipolar but I think more retarded. This department is so screwed up. Everyday at roll call we all talk to each other about how many stupid ideas and ways of policing Garry comes up with each week. He has no clue, we all know it and not one boss at comp stat has the balls to stand up for themselves.
The boxes arent working & are ridiculous. Now 99 foot posts in the ghetto/violent zone at a time that police shootings, agg batts to the police and violence and hate towards the police has doubled from last year. Has our supt lost his mind?
Yet the cloutt baby " squad get me a paper car out here " , dumb as fuck hairgells are only too eagar to serve. Are you still proud to call this idiot your friend? And don't forget they are now saying that teachers that have now retired can have their pensions reduced under a new initiative to save dough by bumbling idiot Quinn. How long before this reaches all city agencies? Yep this job is looking more and more like a the mistake of a lifetime instead of the oportunity it used to be. Clouttbaby hairgells thought this was "money for nothin and chicks for free" , now more coppers will be assasinatedout there. But make no mistake they will use these posts as a punishment for those who refuse to play ball. Its all legit!!!!
4/02/2012 04:10:00 AM
You sir are the definition of a total hand job. I sure hope you are on days cause I feel sorry for anyone who has to sit in a car with your dumb ass for 8.5 hours. What does any of this have to do with "hairjells?" No one (besides officer Pearson) likes this clown shoe we have for a boss. Nice Dire Straits reference dork.
Funny thing is they put us on this stupid 4-2 schedule just so we would burn up all are time and now they wont let you use it..I worked the 6-3 and rarely used time due..since switching to the 4-2 thats all I do is drop slips for this n that..Ya 6-3 you still worked that 6day but the days off rotated 3days forward so you were always on or catching part of a weekend....NOw dwntwn says to many people are talking SUNDAYS off ...well wtf,,we get two every 5 week....
A great one will call it " officer on deck" whenever a gold star comes into the crime scene,roll call your suppose to yell officer on deck. Very silly
...and as if all this is not bad enough, let's close down the mental health clinics and see if we can up the risks of some officers getting hurt under the guise that we need to "save"...
Oh yeah..as McCarthy will tell you.
We have to be aware of the images that people conjured-up by our choices of words... and that word "save"...it so altruistic.
How can anyone be against "saving" it is such a noble and worthy thing....am I right?
The consequences of the mayor and Governor shutting down mental healthcare facilities is beginning to show.
VIDEO: CTA passenger says her sister was raped by former U.S. presidents
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According to a CTA passenger on a North Side Red Line train, her sister, Donna Marie Foster-Garrett, was kidnapped and raped by Bill Clinton and George Bush, Jr. She also implicated Donald Rumsfeld in the bizarre delusion.
For more than eight minutes, the clearly troubled commuter went on and on about England, religion, and white people being prostituted by a woman name Betty.
What a shame. A truly great police dept(CPD)is being dismantled by the panic and lack of knowledge of a policical supt who's only experience is out east and who's programs there are now being questioned. Any police supt that says weather has no impact on crime is out of the loop. Any rookie cop who has worked on a hot summer night and a frozen winter night knows weather has a big impact on crime. For that matter any policeman who has worked under a full moon knows it gets crazy out there. If supt McDummie is so out of touch on this issue how can he truly come up with effective crime fighting measures.
This man, Supt McDummy, doesn't have a clue and is re-acting to political pressure and failed programs that are putting both the public and the police at grave risk and danger that will have no impact on crime except for longer and longer response times when police and citizens really need help.
Mayer Rambo, having no knowledge himself of crime or how to fight it should realize his mistake and let this goof go. Even mayor king Richie had the sense to exclude this goof in the last search for a police supt.
Having served 37yrs on the job and now retired things were getting bad but I never thought it would come to this.
Although this blog is a good avenue for info and venting, it is time for police both patrolman, supervisors and exempts to drop a dime to your favorite journalist and let them know the true facts and demand to stay anonymous and name withheld and get this stupidness out in the open and in the press and put pressure on this idiot and the mayor to cut this goof lose before any policeman gets hurt or killed by there stupid and silly policies.
Stay safe and be very careful.
Why do you guys n gals worry and care so much? If they want you to do a foot patrol in a gang infested gun zone 99 then make sure you have documentation so your loved ones can sue the shit out of rahm and the rest of the city sock cuckers!
And dont forget.. FOP is there for you.
But your not looking at the big picture of the 10 people shot in the four days 29Mar-1 Apr in 011(now pronounced da one one) NOT A SINGLE ONE WAS IN THE VIOLENCE ZONE, of course i loved reading the shooting reports where it says under the heading polcie activty in area "beat car assigned to the vrz"
What happens when a police officer calls a "10-1" two blocks from where an officer is on one of these fixed posts. Does he have to call for relief from his post to assist his fellow officer?
Wake up McDummie......what are you smoking. Have you ever worked the streets. Even a desk jockey can't be this stupid.......or obviously they can and are. How could you possibly place a lone officer out on the street 24/7 with no means of support in the highest crime and violent areas of the city which basically makes him/her a target for any crazy out there.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
The sad thing is you have no idea what you're talking about and you are helping to mislead the membership. It's called an Evergreen Clause. Unless FOP did it on purpose (which I doubt), they missed the deadline and the contract is now extended for an additional year; unless Rahm feels like negotiating now.
This is not divide and conquer, this is WAKE THE FUCK UP! We better start going to meetings now before these idiots on the board fuck things up worse for us. Now is the time to get involved and make sure they are paying attention. (BECAUSE CLEARLY THEY ARE NOT).
3/30/2012 11:20:00 PM
No, dumbfuck, YOU haven't clue the first what youre talking about. And its obvious that you dont attend meetings. Reading is a skill, and reading COMPREHENSION is yet a bigger, much more important skill. The first poster is right on the money. You? Not even close dummy. Do all of us a favor and stay away from the meetings so your ignorance doesn't spread. Let the men handle the business, you go play Xbox or something. Generation Y that thinks they know it all. Jaysus!!
3/31/2012 12:14:00 AM
Ah, now that's what I was waiting for. What took you so long to respond Mike? Starting to feel the pressure I'll bet. Your incompetence will be your ultimate demise.
You must be right of course because this is the first time since the clause was put in the contract that the notice of termination was not submitted. I guess they were wrong to do so all those past contracts. And I guess the rest of the organizations and CFD are out of their minds for submitting their notices of termination. Of course you are the only one who can be right about this.
For our sake, I hope this works out.
3/31/2012 04:38:00 PM
Truly stupid ideas come from truly stupid people. No exempt or supervisor will speak up to McDummie for fear of losing their jobs even if it puts the people on the front lines in grave danger and does no good or will have no positive impact on crime. Wake up people.
Just an idea- If you’re assigned to a foot post in 011/007 bring your personal car. WHAT my own car? Yes, you’re not answering jobs & should only be addressing issues on the tip you’re guarding like a ghetto dog. Your right there & will be able to watch it anyway, why not use it. If you have your car you have a tool (that you must provide for your own safety).That tool A) Provides you shelter in inclement weather B) provides you cover in the event of an onslaught of violence & C) provides you with a means of escape in the event you’re outnumbered & overrun. Your safety comes first & if the Dept won’t provide you with the ability you have to provide it yourself. If you happen to be in your car resting your sore back or aching feet when a supervisor comes along (if they have time to) you let them pass, get out & when they call for you, you show up out of a nearby gangway. I suggest taking the stickers & emblems that identify your car off for several reasons, primarily the residents & supervisors. If you’re on foot you should be regularly patrolling the alleys & lots as well as the streets, if for no other reason just to make sure your rear & flank are covered. If you’re not out in the open assigned in a 3x3 sidewalk square then you have the flexibility of movement. That movement allows you the cover and concealment you need to be effective, i,e. safe. If the supposed brain trusts see this post and decide to make that 3x3 guard post, then you should counter by routinely calling in suspicious activity that will then generate yet (an)other event(s) to be answered--in due time. People loitering down the block, call it in, suspicious people in gangways, call it in, loud music, drinker, call, etc. If they have enough sense, the coppers in the beat cars responding to the jobs will be working the backlog by thoroughly investigating each assignment, but jumping on assist calls & in-progress (likely bonified) calls; BS calls made for faster service excluded. You may have to break the system in order to fix it. This is not a reason for the dogs to lay down even more. If the guys on the watch don’t regularly call out the dogs as a group now is the time to start. We have to make them pull their own weight, not the bosses. The bosses can’t do shit from the station, we’re so short of Sgts and LTs that there’s only one or two sgts on the street most of the time & rarely if ever any lieutenants. The blue shirts have to call out the dogs. If the Dept wants foot patrol then they need to put two coppers out & allow them the flexibility of movement. Foot posts in business districts have the flexibility of going in & out of businesses, stopping in to “take the pulse” of the business owners & address their concerns. The coppers don’t develop a pattern & have the ability to rest, if only for a couple of minutes out of the elements & out of the line of fire. A foot post in a residential area is the exact opposite. There’s no in & out of homes, no private chat with residents (so the boys on the tip don’t see anyone cooperating with the cops and break or burn their homes), no rest & no cover from the elements. Hey Bay and Kulbita-wake up. When McGoofy says does anyone want to challenge me on this great idea, stand up and tell him yes & have a safe, workable plan to counter with. Oops, that might hamper the quest for gold that you think you so richly deserve. Well you don’t & you aren’t going to get it anyway. Your position is in place to eventually eliminate District command positions so your gold ain’t coming. Wake up!
So work hard to make your sgts and lieutenants look good. And make out a contact card on your supervisor when they go home a few minutes early to take that free cup of coffee from White Castle. Put all their personal info on it and make up a name for the reporting officer you know like McGiver or such. Send a copy to McNut or News Affairs or Rahm's house....then sit back and listen the bosses whine and insist that their on your side....ya know....we're all in this together.
You too can use a Saul Alinski tactic.
Who do we have to blame for all of this? OURSELVES! These bosses don't give a shit about you. Haven't some of you figured that out by yet! Despite it though, we still will have a bunch of officers and tact guys go out there and be company men. In the end, the fault lies with OURSELVES. We have the capacity to change things if we desire to do so. But we must all be together.
Can I get a fucking event #
YES.. this is all true.
It came out Thursday along with the shit about "rising to attention" when an exempt walks in the roll call room.
To say the least.... EVERYONE on my watch is tuned out and do NOT give a fuck about anything anymore.
. . . . counting the minutes to pension time.
4/02/2012 01:21:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"I don't agree with fixed posts at all, especially on foot in 011. What happens when one of us gets picked off by some angry jagoff? Will McMuffin admit it was a bad idea? I would guess no!!!!"
4/02/2012 01:21:00 AM
whenever the opportunity appears, google the names Severin and Rizzato....
further proof that this departments command staff have no idea how to fix this broken city
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do you have any ideas that don't involve spending money that just plain is not available and won't be for the foreseeable future?
This isn't really new "news" considering 006 does this all the time. Can't tell you how many times they've sent a car to a corner where a homicide or shooting has happened the day after the incident and it's usually a 99 car. So they have a sitting duck car at a bad corner. Dumb idea and very deadly!
The foot guys might as well yell "rocks n blows" while they're standing on the corner. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em! Thanks McStiffy!
Off topic...FYI at Mass Tran, the new XO LEM-R called all of 701 and 702 RAPEISTS and THIEVES....HEY JAG! Weren't those your officers in WRIGLEY that raped that girl, ON YOUR WATCH?!
Comstat meeting is a good place to start this "rising to attention" shit. They all can stand and salute each other. Rising to attention is for real leadership not the kind we have now.
Officer Thor Soderberg was murdered while changing his clothes on the street because the City of Chicago was too busy having glittering Olympics Committee cocktail parties to provide him with a lousy locker.
Now they want to have police officers stand by themselves for hours in some of the city's most dangerous areas.
Yeah, right.
"Box" patrols are similarly insane. Anyone will tell you to "vary your timing and routine" in hazardous situations.
I am seeing the same reality-separated, statistics-crazy "administrative" top-heaviness in most large organizations now; seven people cannot accomplish half of what one person used to do.
All seven draw a nice paycheck, though.
Costs rise as results diminish. Today's primary product is not steel or corn, but talk.
Word games.
If an officer gets killed it's mccarthy's fault for proposing such a stupid plan. What an idiot.
Go back to new jersey!!!
4/02/2012 12:30:00 AM
Maybe his new friend Del could talk some sense into him?
"Gather together at least twenty of the old school bosses from units and districts across the city. Real bosses not numbskulls. Ask a few oldtimers before they're all gone. They will tell you how to fight gangs, combat narcotics, catch bad guys and protect your officers."
--4/02/2012 02:36:00 AM
It is observably true that the city does not WANT to "fight gangs, combat narcotics, catch bad guys and protect [its officers]."
It is hard for normal people to grasp this. The operative principle is "It doesn't matter if it's going up or down as long as it's going."
Chaos is very profitable. It supports an infinite number of do-nothing "administrators" and other parasites like legislators, sheisters, revs, real estate speculators, operators of NGOs like Dr. Gary Slutkin's "CeaseFire," "health care providers to underserved populations," etc.
A nation of professional government grant application writers.
Anonymous said...
Why is a footpost a stupid idea? Because you think you're going to be attacked? I agree a 10-99 footpost isn't smart but what's wrong with a 10-4 footpost if they are allowed to use the restroom whereever they wanted?
4/02/2012 01:15:00 AM
Let me explain the stupidity of a foot post: there are advances any job.
Foot patrols, replaced by horse-drawn carriages; carriages replaced by automobiles
6 shot revolvers replaced my handguns; handguns augmented with shotguns/carbine rifles
no communication, replaced by "call boxes", replaced by car radios, replaced by personal radios
body armour used within the last decades
GET THE POINT: A foot post looks good for stupid politicians, attempting to give an appearance of police work.
A mobile pair of officers-- in a vehicle-- covers a tremendous amount of area within seconds, protects to officers, allows for computer use and ACTUAL POLICE WORK
Captain Bay knows how to prevent crime in 11 and will soon be a member of Command Staff .
The rank and file knows what needs to be done to fix it. You're on the streets risking your life and limb to Serve and Protect the good against the bad. So stop putting up with crazy shit from the bosses that don't know what the fuck is going on. Get together, and do what needs to be done - then let your bosses know what happened. If they don't like it, tough shit. If they want to fire someone for this - then the whole District should walk off the job, go straight to a news station, and tell them what the fuck is happening - no yelling, no screaming, just plain jane factual way of presenting it. 1 cop or two cops saying it isn't going to get anywhere. An entire District or two of coppers? You better believe the shit will hit the fan.
Good people in Chicago support the cops and will tell their elected morons to get their heads out of their asses. No one wants to see a cop endangered, especially unnecessarily. I can tell you, there's no way in hell I'd be standing out in the open on a block in a de facto war zone. I'd also not raise my hand before taking a piss. This isn't the 3rd grade, and this isn't sunday school. It's definitely not safe to be standing there - for crying out loud - the savages already shot out of the windows at squads from Cabrini when it was around - why the hell wouldn't they do the same thing in a regular war zone neighborhood? Nuts... totally nuts and there's no reason why the coppers should put up with that bullshit. Not at all.
The only time I stand up is when my priest walks into the room. I was taught this as a child. It is a sign of respect. Since I have no respect for any exempt member on this job, I will not be rising to my feet when one of them walks in the room. And I don't think anyone can make me.
Maybe it's about time for us to protest against their abuse of powers at the risk of our safety. It's about time we come together as the brother and sisterhood we once were. All we have is each other and we're being shot at on a regular basis. There must be one of us capable enough to begin organizing even if our union can't seem to get the ball together. I'll be there......maybe the first week of May is in order. Where do I put my personal in for the day off to express my First Amendment Rights to assemble?
First and foremost this is a paramilitary structure. You will do what you are told to do unless it is unlawful. If you don't like it, become a boss or quit. PERIOD. Your hair gel will withstand the winds while standing at attention OUTSIDE your cruiser.
I work in 011 and since I heard ths bullsht. , I vowed to never do any work ,unless signed complaint , until this dangerous strategy ends. No Parker's, no movers, nothing that brings in revenue!
I got more than 10years on and I get it.
However still 2yr wonders out there, bringing in activity. Really? What are you afraid of-getting dumped to 011?
You are already in the shthole of the city!
How bout standing up for something! The safety and well being of your coworkers?!
It's time FOP started suing the city if an officer is injured because of being a 99 unit. The city's breach of contract that results in an officer sustaining an injury should be just cause for a civil/negligent suit.
Maybe then they will give full thought before implementing unsafe crime fighting tactics.
Most of us have felt the wrath of vindictive, vicious, rotten, arrogant sgts and above. You just handed them a free ticket to screw over anyone they want to, now its open season on any blue shirt. Do your least amount of time and get out and save yourselves.
Maybe if we make the CONTACT CARDS a bit more FIERCE looking like put a DRAGON picture or image on it so that DUDE will be scared to get a CONTACT CARD CASE put on his ass!
That'll show them!
5th Floor Think Tank "Wanna be" Member
I don't see how a parked squad car down the block makes the guy on foot patrol less vulnerable. But it does seem like a guy by himself is more vulnerable on foot than in a vehicle.
I like the foot patrol idea in concept though. I don't see how you can retake these areas without boots on the ground, but the implementation does not seem real well thought out to me based on what I read here.
It may be that with the limited resources available, there may not be a good way to implement foot patrols in unusually dangerous areas.
Maybe someone who was around back in the late 70s can correct my recollection but I seem to recall there were two man foot patrols in some areas back then. I think even the two man patrols had shots taken at them a few times back then.
I recall the fire department had problems safely getting to individual apartments in CHA buildings. Sometimes they used a Wells Fargo armored car for cover at one of the complexes.
Not a cop.
Great Idea # 107
Maybe we can get the thugs to learn to play chess on street corners. They'll stop shooting, robbing and just hangin' all night long.
This way they'll learn a skill BEFORE going to jail.
Problem solved.
But...new problem, we don't have enough money to send them to Russia for training.
McCarthy, next time you enter "our" headquarters, take a long look at the Star Case of our Heroes and Loved ones. Take a real long look and think about the desisions you are making in the 007 and 011 Districts.
Take a real real long look at all those Stars.
Your Comstat Idea is nothing but a fraud and I suggest everyone read the book "Crime Numbers Game" MANAGEMENT BY MANIPULATION.
As A GSF Member I promise to expose all the idiotic desision implemented by you that are creating these dangerous and unheard of tactics which are unreasonably endangering the lives of my fellow officers just to fool the public into believing your lies about crime stats.
And yes I am the POLICE!
If it's this bad now just imagine what it's going to be like after the NATO summit when the brass will no longer feel the need to handle the department with kid gloves because they need all the moral they can muster.
This is not the Bourough of Harrison or the Bourough of Garfield Park. Don't forget you can refuse to work 10-99 during 3rd and 1st watch. You can also grieve time due being denied.
This is not a slam at Del by any means, I'm sure the Super was good to you. But a stategy like this makes me think that he wants more coppers shot so he can make more friends.
Po's can not work 99 on midnights per contract. You can refuse to work a 99 foot post.
Get a freakin clue people. The brass doesn't give a rats ass for yur safety. When your ass is on the line, shiny shoes won't save your life any more than unshined ones. remember once big bird wrote us up at checkoff for dirty shoes after being on the street for 8 hrs. cpd is doomed!
Overtime initiative?
Danger is no stranger to a Fillmore Ranger...
Where are the Rangers now???
Does a police officer standing on the corner for several hours reduce crime?
Anonymous said...
10-4" NOT "10-99" said...
How insane to expect any copper to stand by themselves on a damn block in a violence zone in 011 on any watch (1st watch- really???)
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Yeah...what the heck.. you coppers must think that you're important like Aldermen Burke or the ex-mayor and that you deserve in essence a personal security guard to watch each others backs?
/sarcasm
Sometimes just following orders gets people hurt.
I just don't get the logic on how the department is leveraging it's resources or spending of the taxpayers money on foolishness.
4/02/2012 11:18:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"The same "strategy" is going on in 025. Every night the commander downs all rapid cars and puts them in the violence zone. They are not allowed to take any jobs leaving all the beat cars to scramble all night to handle the backlog. that's an extra 5 cars in the the violence zone. The brilliant leadership has also created 2 extra tac teams in 025 for a total of 5 teams! that's nearly 50 extra officers that offer no help to handle jobs in a very busy district. idiots"
4/02/2012 11:19:00 AM
so what happens (just a question), when a serious incident (shooting, domestic stabbing, etc.) when the incident occurs within blocks of a violence zone, and the officers are told they "can't respond"?.....when it's lawsuit time, and EVERYONE is downtown for the deposition, what boss is going to stand up and say that they gave the order that a Chicago police officer, who likely could have been within yards of a criminal offense, and perhaps could have saved someone's life, was ordered not to leave a certain geographical area?....hello, law department? hello, plaintiff's lawyers?.....hello, the city council finance division who will write the big settlement check? hello, anyone with any semblance of common sense?.....
Why not have the Sat, gun,area ,tact ,gang teams do this
The watches do not have the man power for all this, the teams are 100 s of officers riding around without accountability like beat cars
Meanwhile if ur on a team or unit any day off ur granted
Can someone please come up with the March shooting victim totals?? Whats the magic number??
Quick...............pick up the Batphone and call Batman and Robin before it's too late.
McGoof is as clueless as the police commisioner in Gotham City, and the beast is running wild with no sound policies to stop them except having police stand in the street by themselves in the middle of the night in the heart of the ghetto. Stay safe.
Stay safe
From the looks of things, one would have to surmise that this will be Eric Washington's last stand before being labeled a failure and kicked 'upstairs' to one of those 'XO' positions. Truly sad for Washington; being demoted by J-Fled's own two lackey boys (Dugan and Jackson), only to have his exempt career resurrected by Hillard, only. to be thrown under the bus again by McStupid. Find a flotation device to strap yourselves onto boys & girls, the Titanic is about to roll herself over on her side. Watch for flying objects!
Even Tom Selleck thinks you are an idiot.
From an email alert about the Bill O'Reilly program this week:
Watters World in Murder City
On Thursday, April 5 Jesse Watters reports from the notorious South Side of Chicago, where gunfire and shooting deaths are all too common but rarely protested by "civil rights" leaders.
So Chicago is "Murder City" now. Tiny dancer has to be twirling in his tutu. And what will JJ say?
Hope Watters has an armed escort.
McCARTHY, YOU ARE A REACTIONARY PANDERING TO THE CROWDS. YOU KNOW THAT THESE ARE ONLY GIMMICKS AND THESE GIMMICKS WILL GET A COP HURT, OR KILLED.
You can be sure that if a cop gets injured because of your idiocy, there will be a march around 35th and Michigan.
Hopefully, there will be a vote of "no confidence" from the FOP.
C'mon, stop your stupid ass side-show and support your officers with safe tactics.
Your job may be on the line, but it is not your life that is on the line when you come up with this violent zone and foot post ideas.
You would chance sacrificing a cop for your career!?!? You are disgusting.
Officers we are in this together,
It's a shame there is no one with the courage who will speak up for us. Men and women in blue, safety first and foremost!!!! Let's just go home to our families. God Bless Us All!
Hey 7:57am........since you are so tough, why don't you go up and tell the soup just what's on your mind. You are so tough that you use this blog without your name. Commander Washington is doing the best he can under this tyrant....so go fuck yourself!
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