FOID Card Broken
Another useless intrusion of Illinois government into what is a pretty clear cut instance of a Constitutional Right:
- For more than four decades, Illinois' Firearm Owners Identification card has been viewed as a first line of defense for protecting the public by trying to keep guns out of the hands of the most dangerous in society.
But a first-ever state audit of the program has found the safety net weakened by bureaucratic loopholes and erroneous and incomplete data that could allow the seriously mental ill and others to keep or get a FOID card to buy firearms and ammunition.
Forty years of government spending and it has shown exactly zero ability to do what it was written to do. Sheriff Tom Dart is making political hay out of this and we're sure he'll try to come up with some new insane proposal to prevent citizens from exercising their Second Amendment Rights to protect themselves in the face of criminals who have no intention of following either the FOID Act or any of Dart's proposals (or Madigan's or Rahm's or Shortshanks, etc.)
And the local governing bodies failure to report eligible cases for revocation (mentally ill persons) just makes the entire enterprise a bigger joke than even we thought possible.
And the local governing bodies failure to report eligible cases for revocation (mentally ill persons) just makes the entire enterprise a bigger joke than even we thought possible.
Labels: gun issues
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
26 Comments:
Tom Dart is a huge asshat. In the paper he says that problems with the FOID program COULD cause a problem is a prohibited person is not stopped from obtaining a firearm but he could cite no instances of where that actually happened.
So instead of admitting that the program is a complete failure and waste of time and money, he uses it as an argument against concealed carry.
Citizens: Ask your self: Why should your rights to obtain firearms be infringed because of the bureacratic incompetence of the State of Illinois?
The Illinois State Rifle Association is right: The FOID program is a complete failure and should be abolished.
This handwriting is on the wall isn't it?
This old FOID system just isn't working they'll say, so we need to bring this newer better system in to replace it they'll say. Oh and by the way get out your check book because it's gonna cost way more too.
That's what I expect to hear.
Followed by the infamous it's for the children and if it saves just one life than isn't it worth it?!
In the meantime I suspect the city will just drag it's feet on the current gun violence trying things that they know don't work in order to win the so-called hearts and minds of the people. Then they will back the new gun controls whatever they may be.
When you cross your arms and sit there long enough on a problem people will want something to be done, anything, just do something right?
Use the crisis. The end justifies the means Machiavelli one said. Let's watch it all unfold.
Maybe I can hire a few of the Zombies at Burr Oak Cemetery to take a bite out of Tom Dart. Seems this guy misses no chance to get his mugg and opinion on tv. I am sure the FOID program is not perfect but what else do they want to replace it with. Anything the Democrats propose would only seek to cutail your right to have a gun for your protection. Fuck them!
The only mentally Ill in this state are in public office.
Oh by the way, Tom Dart is a real asshole.
Forget the FOID cards. Register those who don't want guns and have them pay for the extra burden they put on police services.
If you don't want to own a gun - fine - be a victim. I chose to exercise my 2nd Amendment Constitutional rights and own a gun.
Here is a GREAT law to put on the books of Illinois, Chicago and Cook County - ALL of which are dying for new revenues because all of them are so bankrupt:
ALL people advocating gun control who don't have guns should be paying $500 a year to help defray police protection because they are MORE dependent on police services than those who own guns.
ALL unarmed citizens shall register and carry their IDUM Card:
"I am a Dependent Unarmed Moron" ID card at all times and pay a $500 annual fee.
ANY elected official who is a gun control advocate shall pay $25,000 annually for their IDUM card.
There you go!! The most popular law all of us would back in a second. Let's start charging the right people for stupid ideas and behavior.
Start demanding the IDUM card for gun control Advocates!
Next case.
The FOID cards been useless for years. Hell, even taverns won't except them as an ID to get in.
I moved to Wisconsin two years ago. Last week I got a renewal
notice sent to my address in Wisconsin. I'm amazed at the way Illinois finds ways to waste your tax money. Yes, I have a CCW now.
What part of
. . shall NOT be infringed.
do the fascist bastards not understand ? ? ?
It's been FUBAR for years. Just a little way to tap Joe Citezen on the shouler and tell them, we keeping an eye on you.
You know it was Fubar when they recinded the exception for coppers... I mean really, are you fucking kidding me, but they sure did a great job keeping those guns away from the bad guys......
Hey Bartender,is it Last Call????
I just LOVE these two paragraphs:
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"How are people going to explain away the fact that a horrific event occurred, and it turns out this person had diagnosed mental health issues and their card was not (taken away or) the information was never forwarded to the state police, so they never had the ability to take the card away?" asked Cook County Sheriff Tom Dart.
The audit doesn't list any instances where that's happened, and it's unclear whether any have occurred."
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Yup, the Tribune says the Dart is just full of shit.
Want to fix the FOID system? Pass HB148 and bring Illinois in line with the other 49 states AND bring in $32,000,000 in revenue. This is the fiscal note attached to HB148:
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Fiscal Note, House Floor Amendment No. 2 (Illinois State Police)
HB 148 (H-AM 2) fiscal impact is as follows: With a conservative estimate of 325,000 permit applications in the first year, the Illinois State Police (ISP) will require twenty-five new civilian personnel plus two contractual employees for six months each, and $51,000 for equipment and materials representing an increase of approximately $2,978,038 to properly administer this mandate. HB 148 will also generate revenue for the Illinois State Police. The FY 12 total revenue projections are estimated to be at $31,875,000. These estimates are conservative and based on record levels of FOID card applications and firearm transfer requests over the last four years. At the same time, the Illinois State Police will continue to process record levels of FOID applications.
ALL unarmed citizens shall register and carry their IDUM Card:
"I am a Dependent Unarmed Moron" ID card at all times and pay a $500 annual fee.
ANY elected official who is a gun control advocate shall pay $25,000 annually for their IDUM card.
There you go!! The most popular law all of us would back in a second. Let's start charging the right people for stupid ideas and behavior.
Start demanding the IDUM card for gun control Advocates!
Next case.
5/05/2012 01:45:00 AM
Love it!
Fuck the F.o.i.d. Card. Since when does Illinois law supercede federal constitutional guarantees. Fuck Illinois, fuck Lincoln, fuck Chicago, and fuck Springfield. This state is a disgrace to freedom.
Why are these Democrat politicians so afraid of Conceal and Carry? Hmmmm. Maybe they don't like the thought of armed groups of honest pissed off citizens roaming the streets...looking for them. Isn't this what caused the patriots to throw out the British.
Dart and Acevedo are tools of the democratic left. No other state has a system like Illinois FOID card. No other state bans concealed carry by its citizens. In both instances no other state has had the problems that the anti-2nd amendment left wing democratic establishment claim we will have if the state eliminates the FOID card system and grants CCW. TRime for republican leadership in this state.
Scratching for more revenue. I suppose all those "bi-polar" candidates won't be getting FOID's anymore. Guess we have to make up that shortfall. How much is collected annually from all the gangbangers charged with UUW ?
The Governors LINK System exempts them from any judicial and monetary punishment.
That's what voting Democrat gets you.
When criminals want to kill and rob honest folks they ignore gun laws?
Say it ain't so!!
What they should really do is pass a law making murder and robbery illegal. Problem solved.
If the libtards ever get it thru their numb skulls that we have GANG problems not GUN problems, would be a chance that the real issue could be addressed.
Don't hold your breath.
Off topic, Could your site please post the fact that Constables Ryan Marron and his partner, Toni Misitano from the Western Australian Police Department are going to be marching in the St. Jude Parade. They will be with the Sgt's Association, Position #8 in the parade. It would be nice if our fellow officers could stop by and say hello as they march past.
Not having an FOID card, did not stop last night's drive-by. Blame the shooter, not a piece of laminated paper.
"So instead of admitting that the program is a complete failure and waste of time and money, he uses it as an argument against concealed carry."
Unfortunately is IS an argument against concealed carry.
If the state is too incompetent to administer a program as simple as this, do you really trust them to run a concealed carry program?
fOID is a direct attack against your RIGHT to keep and bear arms and should be struck down like our filthy politicians.
"If the libtards ever get it thru their numb skulls that we have GANG problems not GUN problems, would be a chance that the real issue could be addressed."
"Gangs, guns & drugs." Our "leaders" (including CPD) use that phrase all the time to paint the picture that these three things are evil.
As long as they associate guns with the other tow things that ARE evil, much of the public will continue to believe it.
Another tax on the Illinois Subjects...
here's the thing DART would dodo in his pants if he knew all the people in IL .. CHICAGO in particular who have guns.. carry them.. and would rather protect themselves than listen to the POLITICAL nonsense.. People are tired of their 2nd amendment rights being violated because POLITICIANS are mindless idiots..Politicians keep changing the meanings of the word MENTALLY ILL .. ETC so they can take MORE guns from people who are perfectly fine.. soon we will ALL be labeled as mentally ill with POLITICIANS being the only sane group (according to them)..
The FOID Act was pushed through by Old Man Daley and son Richie after the 1968 race riots. Daley saw the Black Panthers carrying firearms in the streets of San Francisco and wanted to make sure that none of "Dem People" (meaning Blacks) were able to legally own firearms in IL. The FOID applications were processed and those apps from whites were approved and those from Blacks were denied. Take a look at the FOID app - even today, it has a very prominant section for race with three options, in this order, "Black", "White", "Other".
After working in a gun store for five years, I've seen first hand how these gangbangers get their guns. They have their girl friend, babies mama, or the local whore get a gun card. When they come in we check their FOID to their D/L. If it matches we ask what they are looking for? Most of the time they state thy are looking of a fourty for da boyfriend.we refuse to sell to them and ask, then tell them to leave.
They should be charged with straw purchase but the law dosnt cover that. Or taken out and beaten with an ugly stick ( A large ugly bar ) . But the law protects them , and we are the bad guys.
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