Monday, June 11, 2012

Add Another "Mugging"

Or "gooning." Or "wilding."
  • A man walking home from work was attacked and beaten by a large group of people on the city's Gold Coast late Sunday, police said.

    The 36-year-old man suffered only a cut to the head during the 10 p.m. attack in the 800 block of North Dewitt Place, police said, citing early reports.

    It was unclear whether his many attackers also robbed him.

    The man was taken to nearby Northwestern Memorial Hospital, where he was expected to be released sometime this morning.

    Police had no other details.
Evidently, not even a description of the attackers.

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68 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am a private citizen with the greatest respect for CPD. I don't know how you do it, but it is obvious you are completely understaffed and outflanked by the urban terrorists who have been unleashed by horrible public policy that has created generations of dependents who never work or strive to better themselves and seem to have nothing but free time to commit mayhem.
I live in Chicago because of family needs. It is certainly not by choice. As a senior white woman I have already been caught up in one wilding the day after Christmas by the Water Tower. Now I cower in fear, never out after dark and mighty careful about any daylight hour activities.
I moved here from a state that has concealed carry and I have been trained and licensed and would certainly need my revolver now more than ever but have not brought it to Chicago because I do not want to commit a felony. What should I do? This is no way to live but I have no choices or do I?
I witnessed a crime down in the Loop at 1pm last Friday and walked up Dearborn and then State for several blocks and never saw a single police officer anywhere in about an eight block walk before I gave up and got on the bus. I am not blaming the police. This is a public policy issue about police staffing. What can the public do about this? How do we make our voices heard? Why can't the police response to these urban terrorists be the strategic response that was used during NATO to keep the peace?
I see this as a crisis situation of major proportions. Once the tourists are afraid to come and the convention business dries up and people refuse transfers here from their companies a beautiful world class city will be gone and people will wonder how it could have happened. Take a look at Detroit if you want a crystal ball view of a future that is not too far off.

6/11/2012 06:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

These are large groups of African-American Youths who target non African-Americans,nothing more...nothing less. When people get beaten for no reason at all,it IS racially motivated. When society can come to grips with that,then we can work on a solution.

6/11/2012 06:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

More Hate Crimes that are not reported or charged as such. White people are being targeted in the Loop for beatings and robberies and there is absolutely no mention of it (racial attacks)in the media, and no charges from the CCSA. Pathetic. I watched the news (NBC) last night and they are telling the story and showing video of tourists and shoppers. They are afraid to show video of these animals walking around in packs of 50 to 100. And they are pissing in their pants to report this for what it is: HATE CRIMES.

6/11/2012 06:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

CPD,

I work at night and take the CTA train line into work each night. Any suggestions on what I can do to avoid the same fate? I try to look like a poor college student already, but is there anything you would suggest?

CPD supporter and taxpayer

6/11/2012 07:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The 36-year-old man suffered only a cut to the head during the 10 p.m. attack in the 800 block of North Dewitt Place, police said, citing early reports.
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Suffered "ONLY" a cut to the head? Since he is not dead I guess it's now o.k. that's it's only a cut to the head. How about if a large group(Let me help you reporters out with a description here) of black male teens attack you and only give you a cut to the head. All you reporters would be crying like little bitches, reporting the tragedy and demanding more police for your precious safety!!!

6/11/2012 07:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What kind of people would do this?

6/11/2012 07:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We need to bring the police dept employment number back to its full count. 13,500

6/11/2012 07:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All of these "wildings" show the perfect reason why Illinois NEEDS concealed carry NOW and also high capacity magazines. If you have 10 idiots wanting to beat the shit out off you then take your stuff a 10 round mag only works if you're a world class marksman with ice water in your veins. Granted, after you pull the gun most of your attackers will probably flee but why take the chance. If this is not convincing enough then you need to pull your head out of your ass and breath some oxygen because you been inhaling your own methane TOO LONG!

6/11/2012 08:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let me get this right..the liberal pukes are NOW complaining about young children being in THERE neighborhood and they dont like this ? Well you liberal assholes accused the police for profiling, violating rights, heavy handed policing etc. Now you want something done ? What about the citizens of the south and west sides of this city that have to put up with this bullshit every day because of your policies. Your liberal ass is lucky they are not shooting up there.....YET....ENJOY

6/11/2012 08:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

concealed carry now!

6/11/2012 08:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

He was attacked by "people." LOL -- yeah, I'm sure it was a random sampling of the city's many, diverse cultures, creeds, and races. You know -- "people." Why, I'm sure this gentlemen thought he was being beaten by a UN conference.

6/11/2012 09:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I retired 13 years ago with 28 years service and promptly moved out of state.
I would like to return and visit the Field Museum and The Museum of Science and Industry.
How safe, driving and parking, and otherwise are they?
Is cold weather a better time to visit?

6/11/2012 09:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.crimefilenews.com/2012/06/chicagos-secret-race-war.html?spref=fb

6/11/2012 09:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

photo included, surprisingly. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-police-probing-downtown-muggings-20120610,0,7863065.story

6/11/2012 09:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Only" a cut to the head. What fine reporting.

6/11/2012 09:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't need the Department or media to give me a description of victim(s) or OFFENDER(S), I already know.

6/11/2012 10:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

can we call them land pirates and take a lesson from the navy seals on how to deal with pirates
Flash mobs are college kids who show up and talk loud in the library

6/11/2012 10:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When are we going to start classifying, and the news media start reporting, what these incidents are...HATE CRIMES. White people are being targeted by blacks. If this sh$# was the other way around every reverend and white liberal assho&% in the country would be here demanding justice. They are very quiet now.

It is not the white races job to be victims and just stand by because we are supposed to feel guilt about being born a certain race.

6/11/2012 10:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shortage of police isn't the main problem. More police helps but just like any crime they commit, they wait for the police to turn the corner. They know also to send higher numbers and disperse themselves to increase the possibilities of more victims and less police. Only description that victim can give is a group of black kids. And when caught, a slap on the wrist

6/11/2012 11:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Escape the city or start shooting. The choice is yours.

6/11/2012 11:11:00 AM  
Anonymous PAUL KERSEY said...

This escalation of Chicago violence is also covered on THEE (NYPD) RANT. Click HERE.

6/11/2012 11:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

People need to arm themselves,it not a gun go to a good sporting goods store and get a rambo type knife and use it if needed! Judged by 12 or carried by 6 your choice! The animals must be stopped,laws of the jungle apply,the bigger animal survives! Deploy resources boss, we need more coppers simple huh??

6/11/2012 11:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Giving a description of the attackers as being Black has become like using the "N" word. Tell it like it is. These Ghetto by products are even preying on their own even more. How about the old Black gentleman who was robbed in the lobby of his building by two Black Thugs. The victim is a WW2 vet who was stalked at a currency exchange and follwed back to his home. They have pretty good video of the two offenders. No one is safe out here folks. Beware.

6/11/2012 11:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

its hard to fix a problem...when the ''children'' are the problem.

6/11/2012 12:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Group of male blacks robbing Asian tourists while riding the blue line in 014. Two or three incidents in 20 minutes. 2 in custody, proceeds recovered, don't know if they were charged.

6/11/2012 12:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i am beginning to feel sorry for mcpuppet. he has to come up with a new plan every 24 hrs. all the while the mayor is busy worrying about november. sooner or later he will drop g-mac for another fall guy with new plans guarteed to stop all crime. its the same thing ob does ,but he blames congress. g-mac dont let them shit all over you,open your mouth!

6/11/2012 12:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

G-Mac does not want the word "wilding" used for these attacks. I think we should start calling them "social adjustment by force".That could also be the new case reporting heading. Then the Dept of Justice could track that UCR. Most of the victims I've spoken to couldn't believe they were targeted, especially since they and their friends voted for Obama. It's nice to know that they found great comfort in having the VIN to read while waiting in Northwester's ER.

6/11/2012 02:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Broderick Crawford said...

Description of the attackers?

Swedish loggers and some militant Amish lesbians who got away in a black two-horse buggy sedan.

Of course. They have been rampant up on North Michigan for months but the cops just can't seem to catch up to them.

2150 - out.

6/11/2012 02:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Bernhard Goetz said...

Perhaps I can help "neutralize" your dilemma.

6/11/2012 02:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

let the little animals prey upon innocent people all day all night but heaven forbid you put your hands on one of these little bastards and you will be the topic of anita alvarez's next news conference where she charges you with 5 felonies destroying everything you worked for.

6/11/2012 03:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

listen , the north shore , hyde park liberals want section 8 the the working man's neighborhood whether it be white, black , mexican or asian , not in their own neighborhoods .

6/11/2012 03:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

CPD supporter and taxpayer

6/11/2012 07:00:00 AM

Be observant, don't stare. Like a wild animal, they take it as a challenge. Don't flash the money or the jewlery or the I-Phone or computer. Sit by the door and stay with the crowds. Vote out any incumbant from now on. All of that will help.

6/11/2012 03:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the 7 AM commenter in response to your statement that you already try to look like a poor college student:

People should be able to be who they are because of freedom of expression, not fear. Certainly, the people who committ these crimes don't care to change or are unwilling and unable to change who they are.

If it's acceptable for every special interest group to claim their rights are being violated when they can't just be, how come the regular taxpayer who would like to use the cta also can't be? Quite a commentary.

6/11/2012 03:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Mc312 was quoted on NPR this morning as having told the broadcaster that the increase in violence here is actually proof of the success of his program to break up the gangs. The gangs are splintering, and when they do this, per him, they attack one another.

6/11/2012 11:32:00 AM


Which gang's turf is the 800 block of DeWitt? The Water Tower King Killer Shoppers? The John Hancock Black Gangster Tourists? Maniac Millionaire Taxpaying Citizens?

Just wondering.

Of course the folks who live down there can afford to hire a battalion of Blackwater Mercenaries. And make sure there is a heavy weapons squad and a special wet team in the mix.

6/11/2012 04:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The victim was hurt well beyond just a cut on the head. They knocked him out and he has a concussion.

Earlier today, Channel 7-ABC News said he was beaten about the face and the head. They then showed the 36 year-old victim being assisted to the ambulance by two paramedics, one on each arm. He was wearing a full ghetto gauze turbin complete with the gauze chin strap and he had wet-noodle legs. He looked like they kicked his ass and left him in a heap.

6/11/2012 04:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WBBM Newsradio reported on this earlier today. Streeterville residents saw the wilding as it happened. No police is what they said. No fooling! There aren't any more police officers. There are so few patrol officers available that the ones who are around can't get days off.

If there's no cereal in the box, don't put the empty box away, go get more. Mc Clueless doesn't have 2 raisins to rub, never mind two scoops.

I am not a cop, but I sure wish Tiny Dancer 9.5 would hire a bunch. In the meantime, send the Swedish lumberjacks over to Rahmbo's house. Or can't they figure out how to use transfers?

6/11/2012 04:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I had two friends witness a 40yr old white male get attacked on the red line for only one reason HE WAS WHITE. I asked them what had occurred and they told me a group of foul crude black youths where on the red line heading s/b on the Ryan. When the man exited the train one of the assholes hit him about the head knocking him unconscious. Then the rest surrounded him on the platform. This is a hate crime. Stay off of the red line if you are white

6/11/2012 05:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please give them the proper name "Ghetto Gang attacks" GGAs for short

6/11/2012 05:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We as the police need to start putting the fear of God to theses so called humans!!!!! These times of politcal correctness must end if we are to take back OUR streets! Please mayor 9 1/2 unleash us

6/11/2012 05:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The media referred to this as "only a cut to the head". I wonder if a policeman struck an "honor student" if it would be treated the same way.

6/11/2012 05:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That guy's head looked like a pumpkin. Didn't take but a minute to swell--how bad did they beat him?

6/11/2012 05:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the poor citizens posting that "get it," I'm sorry, but it's going to either get much worse and then better or, as stated, we'll turn into Detroit. To the senior, I would not arrest you, unfortunately, some might bc it is a gun and they want that arrest bc they think they are doing good by getting a gun off the street or it looks good. I don't want to give information online, talk to an officer, while unarmed and ask what the charge is, then decide if carrying is worth it or not Hope you catch my drift.
I believe the problem is two-fold. We need more cops and CTA special employment need to come back. The real truth is the option that will never be entertained...it involves going hands on. Violence is the only language they understand. Do you think they never thought of robbing wealthy people downtown before? They did and they have had the red line for some time. With the advent of confused liberals, cameras and an insane court system and ridiculous law suit awards, the police will not act with the required force. Good luck ma'am, sir, and to the good citizens, you will need a lot of it!

6/11/2012 06:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I laughed so hard: '"couldn't believe they were attacked bc they voted for Obama" and im sure the concussion caused a blur that made the VIN a pretty long read lol. Well, I bet they are finally appreciating the "culture" we realists knew about

6/11/2012 06:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I retired 13 years ago with 28 years service and promptly moved out of state.
I would like to return and visit the Field Museum and The Museum of Science and Industry.
How safe, driving and parking, and otherwise are they?
Is cold weather a better time to visit?

6/11/2012 09:24:00 AM


$$$$$$$

Why?
Nothings changed there in 50 years except the additon of the Mythbuster exhibit.

Stay home, enjoy your retirement.

6/11/2012 06:18:00 PM  
Anonymous How About... said...

...primetime decoy cops strolling Michigan Ave. "talking" on phony state-of-the-art Apple iPhones, iPads and $3,000 replica notebooks in plain view with "jump out" crews nearby.

6/11/2012 06:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If a group of ten white males beat and robbed a black person it would be a hate crime. All the ethically challenged media would hype it to the extreme and it would be national news. Jesse and all the race baiters would be up in arms. Now in Chicago, large groups of blacks target white people and not a peep? Why do we continue to pander to a group of people who do nothing but victimize others and themselves? Enough. This is bullshit, no more hiding behind race and using it as an excuse. You as a population have been given more leg ups than anyone. I am tired of this. Something needs to be done. When enough rich white people get victimized maybe this will get some attention. Fuck the savage. We need a Charles Bronson to teach these fucks a lesson.

6/11/2012 06:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Giving a description of the attackers as being Black has become like using the "N" word. Tell it like it is. These Ghetto by products are even preying on their own even more. How about the old Black gentleman who was robbed in the lobby of his building by two Black Thugs. The victim is a WW2 vet who was stalked at a currency exchange and follwed back to his home. They have pretty good video of the two offenders. No one is safe out here folks. Beware.

6/11/2012 11:58:00 AM

Ghetto by products - yet another Urban Dictionary entry....
I feel like I can't even ride my bike outside (and I ride through the park north until I reach Belmont and cut over to the path, but still)

--No Cop Here

6/11/2012 06:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

someone is going to shoot to kill these savage Scandinavians soon ... let's get the ready for the typical response of "racism" by the liberal black "church" ...
ready ... set ..... go

6/11/2012 07:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

all Chicago Public School students I am sure

6/11/2012 07:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The real answer is to disband units who volunteered to work the worst parts of the city and send them to districts, and then to pull administrative people who have no desire to work the streets and send them out.

That makes sense. Because then everyone will be motivated and highly productive.

And the beach gets too hot near the cold water.

6/11/2012 08:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Giving a description of the attackers as being Black has become like using the "N" word. Tell it like it is. These Ghetto by products are even preying on their own even more. How about the old Black gentleman who was robbed in the lobby of his building by two Black Thugs. The victim is a WW2 vet who was stalked at a currency exchange and follwed back to his home. They have pretty good video of the two offenders. No one is safe out here folks. Beware.

6/11/2012 11:58:00 AM

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I saw the video and it was sickening. This man is part of the Greatest Generation that is still with us. He survives being attacked in the South Pacific by the Japanese only to be mugged in his twilight years by thugs. I applaud this man for his service to our country during WW2. Let's hope that the CPD can solve this one.......someone has to know who those two assholes are in the community.

6/11/2012 09:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please visit http://www.illinoiscarry.com
to support concealed carry in Illinois.

They have done wonderful work and have made great strides so far!

Contact your rep or legislator now!

6/11/2012 09:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mc312 was quoted on NPR this morning as having told the broadcaster that the increase in violence here is actually proof of the success of his program to break up the gangs. The gangs are splintering, and when they do this, per him, they attack one another.

6/11/2012 11:32:00 AM


Which gang's turf is the 800 block of DeWitt? The Water Tower King Killer Shoppers? The John Hancock Black Gangster Tourists? Maniac Millionaire Taxpaying Citizens?

Just wondering.

Of course the folks who live down there can afford to hire a battalion of Blackwater Mercenaries. And make sure there is a heavy weapons squad and a special wet team in the mix.

6/11/2012 04:22:00 PM
lol! I posted this originally. They're supposed to be brainier than Einstein on NPR- then they go and quote McSplinter. Unreal the way the media here parrots him and RE.

6/11/2012 09:52:00 PM  
Blogger Was that a SPEEDBUMP?! said...

Of course the folks who live down there can afford to hire a battalion of Blackwater Mercenaries. And make sure there is a heavy weapons squad and a special wet team in the mix.

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We have exactly what the city needs. We just need to be released!

6/11/2012 09:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The elephant in the fucking room. A lot of people are sick of this fucking double standard. Eventually it's going to explode. So keep sugar coating this shit media.

6/11/2012 10:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The rats crawl out of the drain at Chicago + State, eat garbage at McDonald's and Chik-fil-a, then move East in search of live game.

6/11/2012 10:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

NBC 5 lead story at 10pm describes mob of BLACK attackers downtown. That's a first. Victim describes momma with infant in the group of attackers who tried to steal the wifes phone.

6/11/2012 10:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

go downtown at night for school and this shit is real. groups of young AA boys are roaming about doing some really fucked up stuff. Where are the tac teams?

6/11/2012 10:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I miss the CPD of old. eye for an eye.....

6/11/2012 11:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We as the police need to start putting the fear of God to theses so called humans!!!!! These times of politcal correctness must end if we are to take back OUR streets! Please mayor 9 1/2 unleash us

6/11/2012 05:25:00 PM

Unleash us??!! Are you kidding, or are you new? This is the department that the libs, politicians, and storefront reverends wanted, and now it's coming back to bite them. To sound like an ol' salty vet, when I came on in the early 90's, if you ran from the police, lipped off to the police, or disrespected the police, the least that you got was a crack. Not trying to sound like Barney Badass either, that's just the way it was. And you weren't getting 30 pending, or stripped and sent to callback, or worse, fired and/or sent to jail. It wasn't anything excessive either. Unleash us now? In the era of cellphone cameras, YouTube, bottom-feeder lawyers, ball-less bosses, inept leaders , and spineless, political correctness, you'd have to be a complete moron to jeopardize your job, your assests, and your freedom.

6/11/2012 11:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where's Jesse? Wheres Sharpton? These are hate crimes! Don't worry Jesse and Al, you won't need to hit the media to defends the characters of these poor, underprivlaged, black youth who never had a decent opportunity to better themselves. The media will never call it what it is. The CPD will never arrest and charge with a hate crime. So don't worry Jesse and Al go on about business as usual and keep preaching the injustice of the Blacks in this country, or anything else that wil keep you front and center of the camera.

6/12/2012 07:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In her Tuesday column,Mary Mitchell, Chicago Sun-Times,notes that five of the six teens arrested for the weekend muggings in Chicago were from the suburbs, Maywood, Bellwood and Broadview. So there,you see, parents in Chicago obviously have better parenting skills and instill better moral values in their children than do parents in the burbs. Oops- the adult arrested with the juvies,charged with Robbery and Agg. Battery, was from the city.He was probably raised in the suburbs and just moved here.

6/12/2012 09:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What you're seeing here is the result of 6 generations of welfare(reparations). The damage to these animals is permanent and irreversible. The only thing we can do is try to contain it.Hire more police and build more prisons. How bad will the 7th and 8th generations of welfare be? I only hope I can retire by then and move far away.Anywhere would be better than here. It seems that our savages are worse than those anywhere else in the country.They have been raised with no morals, no compassion and given a sense of entitlement by our (Chicago/Illinois) politicians and reverends.

6/12/2012 05:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have an idea... we've seen the TV show "Bait Car"... (I make my kids watch it to learn about aspects of society)
how about a show called "Bait Cracker?". seriously. trap the wildly wilding freaks destroying your city. I live in STL and go to CHI four or five times a year as a tourist. Not anytime soon. I was there in March. First warm weekend. Avenue Hotel. At 6pm the "streets came alive with honor stoodints.". We headed indoors. Bait Cracker... think about it.

6/12/2012 07:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I will not support anything downtown until this problem is resolved.

6/13/2012 09:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here are a few videos of these types of mobs:

Chicago: Riot, stampede on Michigan Ave - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5H1hzmut1_E

Black mobs roam Chicago's Downtown, Lakefront (2012) - Part 1 of 3 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itXs0IuGvwg

The ONLY way things MIGHT change is if these kinds of videos spread through the public. We need a public that is demanding far greater security action.

6/13/2012 05:26:00 PM  
Blogger AmericanRed said...

This is why you need concealed carry.

My wife and I both do, we still haven't shot an officer writing us a ticket or a criminal beating one of us, but given the face eater, and flash mobs across the country, i'm alot happier having mine.

Illinois is a socialist, if not nazi fascist state. Get your concealed carry people.

6/15/2012 04:26:00 PM  
Anonymous viskew@aol.com said...

Amazing, my wife and I whom both conceal carry haven't shot a police man, a child or even a criminal.

But .. the first face eating zombie bathsalt sniffing crazed crackhead or home invader I encounter is dust. As is a rapist or carjacker.

Illinois, get your conceal carry, every time I set foot in that state and have to put my gun in a safe and on my hip I feel victimized.

I realize you guys love your pet criminals and breed filth down there, but some of you have to be paying for it, you deserve protection. The rest of the country has had it for 20 to 1 years, with no problems.

6/15/2012 04:29:00 PM  

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