Citizens Don't Believe the Stats
Who are you going to believe? The stats the CPD brass and politicians come up with or your own lying eyes?
- Do you feel safe? If you listen to Chicago’s top cop, or look at recent inner city crime stats, maybe you should.
While summers typically turn violent, the first week of summer has proven otherwise. There have been seven murders in the past week. That’s down from 21 people killed the same time a year ago.
“Gang members in this case were so audacious they were actually selling narcotics right underneath one of our pod cameras, the flashing blue light cameras,” McCarthy told reporters during a news conference.
It might have surprised McCarthy, but it didn’t surprise West Side neighbors CBS 2 interviewed.
“There’s drug-selling on every block,” Valerie Newsome said.
The reality, according to resident, put McCarthy’s press conference into perspective.
McCarthy driving through the west and south sides, playing "gotcha" with Commanders and attempting to browbeat them at CompStat isn't going to stop crime. It also isn't going to win over the citizens who see the crap going on every day and hear the gunfire, regardless if someone gets clipped during that particular outbreak. Just because gangsters' aim is bad doesn't mean the "shots fired" calls aren't on the upswing.
Twenty-eight days isn't a trend - it's a snapshot. Killings are still up nearly 40% and blowing your own horn because they're killing each other at a slower pace isn't really smart either.
By the way, has the clearance rate fallen below 33% yet?
Twenty-eight days isn't a trend - it's a snapshot. Killings are still up nearly 40% and blowing your own horn because they're killing each other at a slower pace isn't really smart either.
By the way, has the clearance rate fallen below 33% yet?
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
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with this weekends temperatures expected to be in the 90's I suspect those 21 less killings in the first week of summer will be adjusted accordingly in short order.
Check back on Monday.
NOTE TO NEWS MEDIA:
If you ever wanted to see a ComStat meeting in action, watch "The Wire" Season 3. It'll will also show how they fudge the numbers.
"...While summers typically turn violent, the first week of summer has proven otherwise. There have been seve...n murders in the past week. That’s down from 21 people killed the same time a year ago..."
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Golly gee whiz batman I thought summer doesn't begin until about June 20~21?
May ended last week with 50 homicides, up from 39 homicides logged in May 2011, according to RedEye data.
Up 25%!
http://homicides.redeyechicago.com/
Hey, who wants to go out to O'hare after work and watch to see if the NATO travelers with pockets full of cash to spend in the Sanctuary City are arriving yet?
Metra has an $800,000 dollar bill to pay.
not a police officer, just a citizen. i thought summer started june 21st? when did that change?
What happened in 011 lockup? Are you fucking kidding me? Just in time for contract negotiations with the city. WTF!!!!!!
There have been seven murders in the past week. That’s down from 21 people killed the same time a year ago
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Probably because they are low on ammo. They've been shooting like crazy on the west side. They are probably waiting for a good sale on ammo like the rest of us.
Whether you like it or not, crime has gone down in the city. I remember 25 years ago we were very busy. Then slowly something happened and crime decreased. I remember how the radio was always giving out jobs-serious jobs. But now even in the "fast districts" it is slow compared to the way they were just 15 years ago. The criminals themselves have become smart. A lot of them have realized they can make more money by engaging in property crime, selling cigs, fencing stolen good on craigslist or ebay, engaging in scams/white collar crime, etc... This is not just a Chicago trend but a nationwide trend. There is no denying violent crime is down.
Retired from the job and living in the Southwest suburbs. Fuck what any government tells me about crime statistics...When I go out all doors and windows are locked. Fido gets his patrol instructions and a nice treat. I always look around at my surroundings anywhere I go. More attentive when it is dark outside. All of us can be victims. Even carrying a weapon is no guarantee. Keep your eyes and ears open.
I believe anything that McCarthy tells me!
Rahm
Start asking people in areas that are not ghetto.
When is the last time you saw a patrolling CPD car?
If you called 9-1-1, how fast was the response? Did they have to come from far away?
Are you satisfied your taxes are being spent in a responsible manner with your safety in mind?
Are you aware that police officers pay 9% of their pay into their pension fund and Rahm wants to cut them out of the benefits they earned? Are you aware their Social Security Benefits that they paid for and earned are cut by as much as 60%.
Talk to your friends and neighbors, get them to register and vote.
Anonymous said...
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Heard the Super went nuts today at the CompStat about the Detective Division not fully integrated with the districts..Dean sent out a hasty email that it will be done by TOMORROW.
Hey Didn't Dean detail an Area Five female LT to run the integration?? and she is still detailed, Im sure with a take home car.
Clearance rate? You're kidding, right? As a detective, it's all I can do to keep up with shit just by suspending everything.
Clearance rate? Blue light special is more like it.
Bwahahahahaha!
Wow. How quickly things change. Channel 9 at 0700 lead news story was 4 people shot overnight...and something about a copper and investigation in 011, but I missed it.
Whether you like it or not, crime has gone down in the city. I remember 25 years ago we were very busy. Then slowly something happened and crime decreased. I remember how the radio was always giving out jobs-serious jobs. But now even in the "fast districts" it is slow compared to the way they were just 15 years ago. The criminals themselves have become smart. A lot of them have realized they can make more money by engaging in property crime, selling cigs, fencing stolen good on craigslist or ebay, engaging in scams/white collar crime, etc... This is not just a Chicago trend but a nationwide trend. There is no denying violent crime is down.
6/08/2012 01:15:00 AM
I'm not sure what zone you are listening to. I remember 20 years ago and only the busy districts were ever in a "backlog" and that was usually in the summer on Friday and Saturday nights. Now you can routinely find districts like 016 in a RAP on a Sunday morning. Is it more crime? Taking more BS calls? Less coppers? Maybe all of the above.
Anonymous said...
Whether you like it or not, crime has gone down in the city. I remember 25 years ago we were very busy. Then slowly something happened and crime decreased. I remember how the radio was always giving out jobs-serious jobs. But now even in the "fast districts" it is slow compared to the way they were just 15 years ago. The criminals themselves have become smart. A lot of them have realized they can make more money by engaging in property crime, selling cigs, fencing stolen good on craigslist or ebay, engaging in scams/white collar crime, etc... This is not just a Chicago trend but a nationwide trend. There is no denying violent crime is down.
6/08/2012 01:15:00 AM
What is your point? Are you living in the past by comparing crime stats from 25 years ago? Remember, police and streets were different and police had freedom to control the streets. We also had enough officers on the street. Times have changed a lot and memories fade. Violent crime is the same and kids are shooting kids and will not stop. Violent crime is up from the last few years. I am tired of comparing from 25 years ago.
Start asking people in areas that are not ghetto.
When is the last time you saw a patrolling CPD car?
If you called 9-1-1, how fast was the response? Did they have to come from far away?
Are you satisfied your taxes are being spent in a responsible manner with your safety in mind?
Are you aware that police officers pay 9% of their pay into their pension fund and Rahm wants to cut them out of the benefits they earned? Are you aware their Social Security Benefits that they paid for and earned are cut by as much as 60%.
Talk to your friends and neighbors, get them to register and vote.
6/08/2012 04:06:00 AM
I totally agree with this post but I would also like to add something. Instead of just voting to get rid of the politicians we as citizens need to call 911 every time you see something, not 311. If you live in 016, 022 or 008 or any other tax paying district you owe it to yourself and your neighbors to tell them to call 911 if they feel they need the Police. We are allocated to districts based on calls for service, why do you think 015 and 011 have more Police Officers there than we do.
One more thing I cannot stand when I listen to the radio and I hear a job dipsatched that is clearly a 2 man job that is given to a 1 man car. Listen we as the Police need to wait for backup on these calls, I routinely hear "10-99 squad I'll let you know" that is unacceptable and unsafe. You owe it to your family to wait for backup if the job requires a 2 man unit. Next time you answer up and say that think about your family and what they would do without you. Plus in the end we will be forcing the city to hire more Police, the numbers don't lie. Please don't go alone on these jobs, I for one do not want to go to another funeral.
Signed,
Former Area 5 Det.
Once again, let's fall back on what LTC Grossman trains us about this fact. It's not murders that count, but the number of times someone TRIES to kill you. I'll bet shootings are still up. And again and again, if it wasn't for medical science and trauma centers we would be over 400 dead already. Let's see what happens now. Everytime this idiot brags about a reduction he has to eat his words several days later.
Whether you like it or not, crime has gone down in the city. I remember 25 years ago we were very busy. Then slowly something happened and crime decreased
ANSWER:
What's happened is we don't make street stops anymore. They have given us a totally useless automated system that takes double if not triple the time it used to take to handle an arrest on paper.
Crime isnt down. Morale is down. All they want us to do is kiss the publics ass and them hammer them with revenue generating tickets.
The only citizens that might remotely give a shit about and do something over crime stats in this city might be the Occupy mopes. Should Flop extend them an olive branch?
Anonymous said...
What happened in 011 lockup? Are you fucking kidding me? Just in time for contract negotiations with the city. WTF!!!!!!
6/08/2012 12:50:00 AM
Copper or civilian? I can only think this is a sex beef, but seriously, I cannot, for the life of me, think of a less romantic--enticing place except maybe death row at San Quentin.
WTF?
Hey 0115 am, what are you smoking. Ya 25 years ago the whole city was a lot worse but gentrification changed things you bozo. If you think the ghetto dist are slower then they were 25 years ago, plus were short po's now you are an idiot my friend. You must be a Rahlm ball hugger.
Come over to 11 were we are ALWAYS in a backlog. I tell you what whatever dist or unit you are in I would be willing to trade spots with you any day. I can't get out of 11 and go somewhere slower. No openings in 17 23 20 24 or 16.
Stop your crap. Then slowly something happened and crime decreased.
So kicking "Top Cat" Carothers upstairs
had no impact on crime ?
I guess we need more people upstairs.
I am retired now and living in 016.
There have been home invasions, robberies, burglaries etc ara up astounding rate for this area. Course it does not help that there are no police left to patrol.
I have had several citizens ask me about getting guns, the taxpayers are getting very afraid
Anonymous said...
Whether you like it or not, crime has gone down in the city. I remember 25 years ago we were very busy. Then slowly something happened and crime decreased. I remember how the radio was always giving out jobs-serious jobs. But now even in the "fast districts" it is slow compared to the way they were just 15 years ago. The criminals themselves have become smart. A lot of them have realized they can make more money by engaging in property crime, selling cigs, fencing stolen good on craigslist or ebay, engaging in scams/white collar crime, etc... This is not just a Chicago trend but a nationwide trend. There is no denying violent crime is down.
6/08/2012 01:15:00 AM
The crime reduction occurred afer some of the CHA projects were emptied and destroyed. The residents were given a section 8 housing voucher and sent out of the city.... Our loss was everyone elses gain!!! I bet they still count those votes in Chicago....
I am not CPD and don't live int he ghetto. Here are my answers:
When is the last time you saw a patrolling CPD car? (I see them all the time actually.)
If you called 9-1-1, how fast was the response? Did they have to come from far away? (There have been two times in the last year. they got there within 5 minutes and didn't have to come far. I thought they did fine.)
Are you satisfied your taxes are being spent in a responsible manner with your safety in mind? (I suppose not, but if you think we're out here walking around afraid all the time, think again. Chicago is very safe. You just don't realize it because all you see every day is the bad stuff. Most of that is happening in places like 011 and 007, and yeah, there have been incursions into North Michigan Avenue and North Avenue beach widely reported on this blog, and those probably need to be dealt with better, I mean, if people are throwing bikers off their bikes and tripping runners at the beach, there should have been an army of you guys swarming in there so we can hear the sweet sound of club striking skull, but on balance the incidents are pretty rare, so rare that honestly I've never seen them. But I think my perspective would be different if I were a woman or elderly. We 6-2, 240-pounders seem not too much in danger.)
Are you aware that police officers pay 9% of their pay into their pension fund and Rahm wants to cut them out of the benefits they earned? Are you aware their Social Security Benefits that they paid for and earned are cut by as much as 60%. ((1) no, (2) I find that hard to believe, but (3) based on what I saw of your handling of NATO, I'd support paying more taxes to hire more of you and pay you better. I don't like what's going on with public pensions but don't just blame Rahm, because your little Republican "friends" have your pensions (and those of your teacher wives) in their gunsights, and if you know what's good for you, you won't vote for Mr. "Say Anything" and his anti-union party that has run amok and forgot its values. Those guys are no good for you.)
So do you mean all of this restricted time off and cancelled RDO's for the next couple weeks will do no good?
Maybe if they made some Detectives over the last 5 years the clearance rate would rise. Same offenders keep shooting because there is not enough personnel to do a follow up investigation, and don't see any risk if they are not caught on scene. The sad part is every year great Detectives are retiring without being able to pass on the knowledge they learned throughout their career.
Hey, who wants to go out to O'hare after work and watch to see if the NATO travelers with pockets full of cash to spend in the Sanctuary City are arriving yet?
Metra has an $800,000 dollar bill to pay.
6/08/2012 12:36:00 AM
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A business (interview was on local news the day after NatoFest) near McCormick Place stated they lost about thirty thousand between lost business and the expense of board-up and security.
But I'm sure they'll make it up when tourists come to town and buy kites, postcards or ice cream cones.
Why does everybody think there is so much crime? I've been on this job over 25 years. There is much less violence and crime than when I started.
400, 500, 600 murders are not unusual in this city. Start complaining when the murders get over 800.
Probably because they are low on ammo. They've been shooting like crazy on the west side. They are probably waiting for a good sale on ammo like the rest of us.
6/08/2012 12:57:00 AM
Dude! Haven't you heard? There is no more west side.
Only North, Central and South.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Chicago is full of S H E E P
Start asking people in areas that are not ghetto.
When is the last time you saw a patrolling CPD car?
If you called 9-1-1, how fast was the response? Did they have to come from far away?
Are you satisfied your taxes are being spent in a responsible manner with your safety in mind?
Are you aware that police officers pay 9% of their pay into their pension fund and Rahm wants to cut them out of the benefits they earned? Are you aware their Social Security Benefits that they paid for and earned are cut by as much as 60%.
Talk to your friends and neighbors, get them to register and vote.
6/08/2012 04:06:00 AM
How bout they cut the LINK card parasites or make them take drug tests before getting their check. Them LINK cards are like credit cards now makin it easier to buy liquor and smokes. Reminds me of when we did a search warrant and the girl who lived at the house had a warrant and used her link card to get the bail money. She was so nice and she took out $400, when the bond was only $375, and told us keep the $25 for our trouble. Slash our pensions and benefits but let these fucks bleed our resources. A frickin joke, reward the slugs but punsih the protectors.....good thinking Rahm and Quinn.
they think tey can bs you
but redeye and scc keep them honsest
fact is fact
9.5 isnt worried about "you"
(unless your worth 250,000 and willing to spend):)
he's to busy schemeing
just now he p.o. d that quinn won't toe the party line
notice when things dont go his way he has a tantrum and makes it personal (any tine when debating you use namecalling and insults you already lost the arguement and nobody takes you seriously) any high schooler knows that
he doesnt have to worry he has security
almost as many as burke:)
ibet the L is loaded with security when he comes on
he can try to flip the #'s all he wants
the cop on the beat knows as well as the corener
plus the nieghbors liveing there
any ppo or citizen should know crime is down because robert taylor , cabrini green and vacant lots and homes now scatter the crime ridden south and west sise of chicago . it's not because of jfled , crystal ball unit , gmac or rahm .
Derby and Preakness winner "I'll Have Another" will NOT run the third jewel of horseracing's Triple Crown at Belmont Saturday.
Such a shame.
RIP not one of the best, THE BEST cop I ever worked with. Way too young to go. Going to miss you Rocky Elmer. Semper Fi. He worked in 15, 11, 24 and 16. One of those coppers that always rode on jobs, and when he showed up on yours, you knew everything would work out just fine. Also the type to do reports while he was clear, so he could always stay available. Knew everything about the job and never hesitated to lend a helping hand. Visitation Monday, June 11 3-9 PM at Matz Funeral Home. 3440 N. Central.
As long as the crime stays in the ghetto who cares.
(OT) Another city going under Detroit once the "motor city" gone soon! Maybe to much welfare,to many ILLEGALS? Whose next??
http://www.freep.com/article/20120608/NEWS01/120608025/1001/rss01
Just wait until all the details come out about the P.O. In 011th district lockup...disgusting! Get ready for the shitstorm
Come people, you can't blame McCarthy or the police for the actions of thugs. Anyone who stands on the corner for hours should know that he is at risk of getting shot. He takes a chance and ends up getting killed. This so called "victim" got what was coming to him. Let's not finger point.
When folks out here are repeatedly robbed, burglarized, victims of assault or worse, they just get tired of reporting these incidents to the police. Nothing is going to change so why bother to call 911. Besides the department "fudging" the numbers a lot of citizens just don't bother to report crime. No matter where you live or where you go be aware of your surroundings and people walking within striking distance of you.
Since the 009th district moved. I never see any squads anymore.
I think I've decided that it is better that todays CPD leadership doesn't have my back. It gives them too much opportunity to decide where to stick the knife in.
They can paint it and put perfume on it all they want...we know what it is. and come july and august watch those shootings and homicides go thru the roof......this is only a snapshot of things to come. the southside is out of control and no revrum or cease fire group or men wearing red hats will be able to stop the killing.
I hope the city has an over abundance of body bags because they are going to need them....be safe boys and girls be safe
and by the way i dont like my husband, never have and never will
Anonymous said...
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Heard the Super went nuts today at the CompStat about the Detective Division not fully integrated with the districts..Dean sent out a hasty email that it will be done by TOMORROW.
Hey Didn't Dean detail an Area Five female LT to run the integration?? and she is still detailed, Im sure with a take home car.
WHAT A JOKE
6/07/2012 09:57:00 PM
WTF does 'integrated' mean? Seriously? Not my job to be 'integrated'. I follow up on cases and write reports based on my investigation.
WTF is 'INTEGRATED'???????
Whether you like it or not.....fast districts have become faster with less cops. You are either a city hall shill or have special needs. You just slapped every cop in a beat car in the face. That was the stupidest post I ever saw here
I predict Chalkie will be working O. T. this weekend.
Anonymous said...
I am retired now and living in 016.
There have been home invasions, robberies, burglaries etc ara up astounding rate for this area. Course it does not help that there are no police left to patrol.
I have had several citizens ask me about getting guns, the taxpayers are getting very afraid
6/08/2012 09:24:00 AM
Hey I have great idea. MOVE OUT!
O.T. Is anyone having trouble logging on to the fop site?
I predict Chalkie will be working O. T. this weekend.
6/08/2012 02:50:00 PM
Along with days off canceled for tact this weekend?
Anonymous said...
Since the 009th district moved. I never see any squads anymore.
6/08/2012 12:37:00 PM
Signed, The Fire Fighters behind the ole 009th District Station.
My goodness, please tell me the lockup incident is bs. What in god's green earth could possibly turn someone on in that disgusting lockup? If true, this copper couldn't find some summer sausage on the outside and after work? I would suck myself off before trolling the dirty, prisioners in the 011th district!
WTF does 'integrated' mean? Seriously? Not my job to be 'integrated'. I follow up on cases and write reports based on my investigation.
WTF is 'INTEGRATED'???????
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It means reporting to the DC or XO.
Bye bye to the D unit. From now on you're a tact guy with a tie.
RIP not one of the best, THE BEST cop I ever worked with. Way too young to go. Going to miss you Rocky Elmer. Semper Fi. He worked in 15, 11, 24 and 16. One of those coppers that always rode on jobs, and when he showed up on yours, you knew everything would work out just fine. Also the type to do reports while he was clear, so he could always stay available. Knew everything about the job and never hesitated to lend a helping hand. Visitation Monday, June 11 3-9 PM at Matz Funeral Home. 3440 N. Central.
6/08/2012 11:33:00 AM
Amen. Well said.
Romney: We Don’t Need ‘More Firemen, More Policemen, More Teachers’
Mitt Romney rebutted President Obama’s call for aid to state and local government to prevent layoffs of public employees by bluntly insisting that government payrolls needed to shrink, even if it meant fewer firefighters or teachers.
“He wants another stimulus, he wants to hire more government workers,” Romney said in Iowa. “He says we need more firemen, more policemen, more teachers. Did he not get the message of Wisconsin? The American people did. It’s time for us to cut back on government and help the American people.”
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/romney-we-dont-need-more-firemen-more-policemen
Hey 9:34 am , the city pensions are screwed up because our Democratic friends who have run this city forever have failed to pay the city's share of the pensions into the fund. And all the yells for pension reform in the state legislature is coming from Madigan who is a Democrat.
No Shit!!!!! This city is feeding the citizens a load of crap.
No Shit!!!!! This city is feeding the citizens a load of crap.
Anonymous said...
Come people, you can't blame McCarthy or the police for the actions of thugs. Anyone who stands on the corner for hours should know that he is at risk of getting shot. He takes a chance and ends up getting killed. This so called "victim" got what was coming to him. Let's not finger point.
6/08/2012 12:16:00 PM
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Well. Standing on the street corners for hours on end is not tolerated within the financial district of the city, why is it tolerated on the south and west sides then?
Oh, we're down 98% if you look at this same time period of two hours from last year. Pure bullshit.
We still have over four hundred homicides a year and victims shot are grouped into one incident even when there are multiple victims.
No one believes their "it's too hot near the water at the beach" bullshit any more. People are waking up slowly and understanding that they lie like all communists do; every time their mouths open.
If mcflurry is pissed off about detectives not being intergrated within the district, just talk to her newly promoted merit hack female commander from 010, she believes that the robbery team on the district should not investigate robberies, according to her the detectives should do that. But hey go write a parking ticket, mover and a contact card that will solve all crime. You guys will clear crime by 100% and you will not need any new officers. Comstat is useless but we have bosses with no sense of rather balls to speak out.
I worked in 025 in the late 80's and after 3rd watch roll call you would call the zone and they would give you a list of Jobs.How fast you completed these tasks was up to you, but having not been there in yrs ,I would not know how it is now.
9:33 PM : I hope the Suburbs enjoy the Section 8 Housing residents like the City of Chicago residents have for years!
Not even a Friday night yet and already some shithead blown away by gunfire in 008. 2:00 AM 5100 S. Archer Ave. The gangbanging thugs are getting even more brazen, no longer content to contain their shooting matches to just alleys, front porches, and gangways. I hate to think what the weekend statistics will be like, target practice especially anywhere east of St. Louis, 51st St in the heart of crown town. I have noticed an increased and more frequent car patrol throughout the area in these past few nights. I worry for those officers and I pray that they get back-up when they need it.
Detectives will be in Uniform assigned to District Patrol.
If a 10-99 unit receives a call that requires 2 men ,Demand a back up , even if it's a burglar alarm.
Cut the bs i'll let u know if i need a back up , this is why we run with 1500 less officers.
6/07/2012 09:57:00 PM
WTF does 'integrated' mean? Seriously? Not my job to be 'integrated'. I follow up on cases and write reports based on my investigation.
WTF is 'INTEGRATED'???????
6/08/2012 01:37:00 PM
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It is a cliche. It is a word that sounds modern, progressive, smart, and illustrious. But, without more, it has no meaning. But you deserve credit for asking. Most people are impressed by it.
Wow, there are a lot of people on here with the wool pulled over their eyes! Just because the homicides aren't in the 800s anymore, doesn't mean crime is DOWN! Get REAL people! When you have 50 people shot in a weekend, crime is not DOWN. Just because they all didn't expire has NO bearing on crime being down. The powers that be are SKEWING the numbers. Did you ever hear of smoke and mirrors? That's what's going on! Wise up! Crime is NOT down. Homicides may be down, but violent crimes are soaring! Christ almighty!
OFF TOPIC, but oh, so interesting:
City workers are REMOVING speed bumps in the area of 47th and Michigan, maybe 48th and Indiana, or thereabouts. I think my relative didn't want to be too specific, but I'm sure someone who pushes a beat car can give us the exact location...
These speedbumps are on the side streets surrounding a local school.
The City plans to install speed CAMERAS there, instead. You know, AFTER THEY REMOVE THE SPEED CONTROL DEVICES from the surface.
So, it's all about safety, Rahm? It's all about the children's welfare, Rahm? If we only save one life, it's all worth it, Mr. Quinn? LIARS.
You have just proven it's all about the money and it's ONLY about the revenue-generating cameras. SHAME ON YOU. Removing speed bumps, so people will, of course, be able to drive faster in a school/park zone, then pay fines they would NEVER have to pay, if the speed bumps were still in place.
This is lower than low.
i predicted right after NATO when the media and the general public loved CPD that a major scandal would come out on the eve of contract negotiations. now we have something in 011 and something brewing in 015. the timing makes you go...hmmmmmmm
Integrated
combining or coordinating separate elements so as to provide a harmonious, interrelated whole: an integrated plot; an integrated course of study.
she failed
Are you aware that police officers pay 9% of their pay into their pension fund and Rahm wants to cut them out of the benefits they earned? Are you aware their Social Security Benefits that they paid for and earned are cut by as much as 60%. ((1) no, (2) I find that hard to believe, but (3) based on what I saw of your handling of NATO, I'd support paying more taxes to hire more of you and pay you better. I don't like what's going on with public pensions but don't just blame Rahm, because your little Republican "friends" have your pensions (and those of your teacher wives) in their gunsights, and if you know what's good for you, you won't vote for Mr. "Say Anything" and his anti-union party that has run amok and forgot its values. Those guys are no good for you.)
6/08/2012 09:34:00 AM
Well, you might "find it hard to believe", but Mr. Dan Rostenkowski pushed through a law restricting social security payouts to police and firemen, retired railroad workers, teachers, basically most public workers/pensioners.
It's called the 'Windfall Provision' and you can google it or go read the Social Security website. If we managed to get enough quarters for SS eligibility by working other employment, apart from our police careers, our social security benefits are reduced by sixty percent or more.
My elderly mother, due to receiving a death benefit pension through my dad, a public school teacher, and having been a retired railroad worker herself, receives a few pennies from Social Security. The whole thing stinks.
CeaseFire will be brought in to...
MARCH TO STOP THE KILLINGS!
SHOUT TO STOP THE VIOLENCE!
RANT TO TAKE AWAY THE GUNS!
What they will really be doing is meeting with gang leaders to broker dope territories, street taxes, and gang alliances.
Those dope sales, street taxes and gang alliances will be funneling money and campaign workers into alderman's campaign war-chests and eventually the mayor's and his pals.
They politicians think that will do more good than hiring more police and seeing that their pay, benefits and pensions are secure.
Who gives a FUCK says...!
When we were "running buck" through the ghetta's after dude and his bullshit the City/State and Citizens all beefed and came after the aggressive POLEEEEECES!
Coppers were punished/stripped/suspended/sued and fired....
NOW YOU GET DUDE and all his GLORY!
By the way for all you folks listening out there at home....those aren't dudes pants and he just came out da house!!!
That excuse NOW works for me and gets him free play and the right to sell his shit and shoot his mo fos and run his gat wif his bitches and slap his ho's and eat his flamin's and pork rinds while yapping his yip at the folks and the peeps.....
**(unless he fucks with the police of course)
I USED TO CARE and I used to sit in court all damn day with these shitheads to put them away!
I don't think the State WANTS their VOTERS put away because.....WE BROKE AS HELL! But they sure find ways to FUCK WITH THE POLICE!
Meanwhile I ll just hermit in my northside district playing Homeland Security Officer protecting the properties and rights of the taxpaying citizens that HAVE to live in the City of Chicago like me!
This job is so fucked up now! I laugh now as I watch all those desk jockey bosses and coppers now scrambling around trying to act like "lock em up" aggressive go getters that they never were just to try and impress someone in a higher position in hopes of getting noticed for some merit consideration.....SO FUCKING SOFT....
Hey BOSSES RUN THE FUCKING COMPUTER ARREST/AWARD HISTORY of your people and you will see who is who... Sad we don't tabulate CONVICTIONS like a SMART Department would......
Comoputer NERDS run it here now in CPD! EVERYONE knows how to run everything on the computer and figure out all this bullshit BUT nobody knows how to go further or do anything about it.....SAD!
Try learning how to wheel and deal with the shit on the street and learn to work the info to work shit back to source or the REAL fucked up mother fuckers that need to be imprisoned.
I see so many good coppers I worked with or know that knew how to handle dude years ago now riding patrol cars now all over the city!
Sad so much talent and experience is DONE! What a waste because nobody trusts anyone anymore to work! Everyone just clinging on! I respect that but it is sad!
I am not even sure that this department will ever get back to what it ever was on the street.
Oh well.......
Sorry for the rant...
Here's one for McCarthy , go into district front office and see if you can find all the police officers the commanders are hiding on the second watch , ghost cars , caps , parks , foot patrols , review and commanders office . It would give you some more respect from the grunts in the beat(blue and white car) A game of hide and seek , but when you find out you've been played , dump the commanders without getting permission from the puppet master.
Calls which use to get three or four cars and a supervisor are now just getting two and often only one car responding. Because there are fewer and fewer experienced officers and supervisors responding there are a lot of serious mistakes being made.
I never want to hear anyone say the phrase, "We have to do more with less." Screw that! Let Maggie's Flowers do with less or some other department do with less. I also don't want to hear, "We are running the Chicago Police Department like a business."
This isn't Wal-Mart or Harry's Hot Dog Stand. This is an army in the field facing an armed insurgency that needs more than the veneer of everything it takes to do it's job but a depth that we have not had in many years.
Stay Safe, do not be afraid of Rahm and McCarthy. They seem to forget something, we are not just employees, we are citizens, voters and taxpayers in this town. It's time we started acting like it.
Why does everybody think there is so much crime? I've been on this job over 25 years. There is much less violence and crime than when I started.
400, 500, 600 murders are not unusual in this city. Start complaining when the murders get over 800.
6/08/2012 10:02:00 AM
WOW! Now I can be happy that crime is down! Why hire new police? Since crime is down from 25 years ago? Who cares if we have more aggravated batteries because medical science keep them alive. 25 years ago, the ER could not save that many shootings. Today they save a higher percentage reducing the amount of homicides. But, crime is down from 25 years ago. I guess we can let another 500 retire before the city hires more recruits. Asshat
OT:
Wow; WBBM radio is reporting more than 90% of the votes are for a strike.
And last night Brizzard told Chicago Tonight he didn't believe the teachers felt disenfranchised.
Looks like they do. Big-time.
>>>Anonymous said...
I predict Chalkie will be working O. T. this weekend.
6/08/2012 02:50:00 PM<<<
He should check the MONEY BOX on the Time Due slip since they won't let us take time off.
We should all do that, it's the only legit job action we can take.
That is short of a massive march on city hall when the media is all there because Rahm is holding court.
Possibly questions for the next Detective Exam. Answer True or False.
1) President Obama says the economy is improving.
2) John Travolta is being as straight with us as President
Obama.
3) The city is safe.
Exam results will be posted on the CPD web sight.
>>>Anonymous said...
any ppo or citizen should know crime is down because robert taylor , cabrini green and vacant lots and homes now scatter the crime ridden south and west sise of chicago . it's not because of jfled , crystal ball unit , gmac or rahm .
6/08/2012 10:46:00 AM<<
Where do you think those people went from Cabrini and those West Side empty lots?
Crime is down because CRIME IS BEING KILLED ON PAPER.
If it doesn't get reported as a crime it is not a crime.
Your Burglary is a CDTP, or Theft, your Theft is a Loss Property.
A Criminal Sexual Assault is now a Battery.
Pam Zekman did a great story on that in the early '80s. Now she is no more than a bad joke along with the rest of the reporters in the city. If they tell the truth, Rahm makes a phone call to their editor, or company president.
Didn't it come out that Blago did that during his trial?
Here's some stats for news media.
On second watch when officers are in court or assigned to a school crossing , there are more police officers(gun carrying office workers) inside the police station then there are working a beat car.
Heads up 016 --
Alley 6100 blk. W. Montrose, garage hit --
"CPDK 16thK."
Wonderful.
Where was this one reported last here -- south side?
Thank you, Mayor Daley, for kicking over the anthill, for scattering CHA for fifty miles around as a going-away present.
"The only citizens that might remotely give a shit about and do something over crime stats in this city might be the Occupy mopes."
--6/08/2012 08:21:00 AM
Uh.
What?
How are they gonna do that? Setting policemen on fire with Molotov cocktails? Pulling them off their bicycles? Striking them in the head with metal objects?
That's the Weird Idea Of The Year. "Brent" and "Jared" and "Kieran" face down the Insane Unknown Something Or Other.
Ha.
Citizens? Of what freaking state? We do seem to have more defectives wandering around not knowing where they are. Guess who.
Reset. Reset. Reset.
.....No openings in 17 23 20 24 or 16.....
6/08/2012 09:03:00 AM
Bet there will never be openings in 023
To 6/08/2012 04:30:00 PM
You need more furniture or some acoustic ceiling tiles in your place.
WTF does 'integrated' mean? Seriously? Not my job to be 'integrated'. I follow up on cases and write reports based on my investigation.
WTF is 'INTEGRATED'???????
6/08/2012 01:37:00 PM
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Integration will occur via a synergistic paradigm shift of interdependent networked sector parameters
Emanuel thinks that festivals and art displays in the streets and alleys will solve the city's problems. Ha Ha!
Holy Cow Batman June 20-21 are how many people are killed by summer both being the same! Congrats for a fine job During NATO,but like it was said, someone, somewhere will cause that to be forgotten,guess they were right.....11!
Why does everybody think there is so much crime? I've been on this job over 25 years. There is much less violence and crime than when I started.
400, 500, 600 murders are not unusual in this city. Start complaining when the murders get over 800.
6/08/2012 10:02:00 AM
I guess we started at about the same time. I feel less safe walking down City streets these days. I can't stand going downtown anymore, and the trains and buses are intolerable. So, are we better off now, or what?
On the matter of SOCIAL SECURITY benefits being cut for people who get Public Service Employee Pensions:
Both Senators Barrack H. Obama (held Rosty's old Senate seat) and Hillary R. Clinton both signed on as co-sponsors of bills which would restore the Social Security Benefits that Public Service Pensioners earned and paid for.
Those bills never got out of committee, and onto a Republican Presidents desk. What were they waiting for, a Democrat in the White House to set things right while pensioners died off never getting what they paid for.
Did they know this bill wasn't going anywhere but it made them look good?
Why after three plus years of BHO in the White House he couldn't make it so on one of his vacations?
Were they waiting for Mrs. C. to join him as V.P. for a perfect Socialist storm?
We need to get our own credentialed reporters and ask, BHO and Rahm and McGeezze-go-back-to-friggin’-New York-Already these hard questions, live, unedited and get them on the air and on the web.
Hey Poop, oops I mean Pope. How about some police presence in Hegewisch
Off Topic But Very Important
I talked to a Fire Fighter neighbor of mine and they are up in arms and ready to take action with what Rahm says he will do with their pensions and other work issues.
They can strike, the Teachers can strike, we can't.
We should support them in any way we can and bury Obama, Rahm and McGeneralissimo.
Well. Standing on the street corners for hours on end is not tolerated within the financial district of the city, why is it tolerated on the south and west sides then?
6/08/2012 04:41:00 PM
I imagine because there are better options than Beefee's Beef and Moo-n-oink downtown...have you been there yet?
I am retired now and living in 016.
There have been home invasions, robberies, burglaries etc ara up astounding rate for this area. Course it does not help that there are no police left to patrol.
I have had several citizens ask me about getting guns, the taxpayers are getting very afraid
6/08/2012 09:24:00 AM
Hey I have great idea. MOVE OUT!
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That last comment was probably from a cop, and I use the term loosely, who works in 016. Much of the increase in crime has to do with the complete dogasses who, I won't say work, drive around in squad cars in a uniform. Every time I deal with a 016 district cop I always feel so disgusted by their absolute lack of willingness to do their job. It's always excuses or just straight up attitude. Just do your job and stop whining. Or better yet work on the south side or west side so you can appreciate how easy you have it.
Anonymous said...
Off Topic But Very Important
I talked to a Fire Fighter neighbor of mine and they are up in arms and ready to take action with what Rahm says he will do with their pensions and other work issues.
They can strike, the Teachers can strike, we can't.
We should support them in any way we can and bury Obama, Rahm and McGeneralissimo.
6/08/2012 11:48:00 PM
One out of three ain't bad. Teachers can strike. Police AND firefighters are now prohibited from striking.
I'm the retired po who posted about 016. No, I never worked in 016 ( wish I had )
got passed over for promotion, twice, due to racial reason,
never had the clout to get a cush job
I am retired now and living in 016.
There have been home invasions, robberies, burglaries etc ara up astounding rate for this area. Course it does not help that there are no police left to patrol.
I have had several citizens ask me about getting guns, the taxpayers are getting very afraid
6/08/2012 09:24:00 AM
Hey I have great idea. MOVE OUT!
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That last comment was probably from a cop, and I use the term loosely, who works in 016. Much of the increase in crime has to do with the complete dogasses who, I won't say work, drive around in squad cars in a uniform. Every time I deal with a 016 district cop I always feel so disgusted by their absolute lack of willingness to do their job. It's always excuses or just straight up attitude. Just do your job and stop whining. Or better yet work on the south side or west side so you can appreciate how easy you have it.
6/09/2012 02:08:00 AM
Hey asswipe some of us "dogass" coppers in 016 did more than our time in the shit. Maybe we still try but its a losing battle and we have seen the light. So fuck yourself and go keep the "man down" and tell your wars stories at Teasers.
That last comment was probably from a cop, and I use the term loosely, who works in 016. Much of the increase in crime has to do with the complete dogasses who, I won't say work, drive around in squad cars in a uniform. Every time I deal with a 016 district cop I always feel so disgusted by their absolute lack of willingness to do their job. It's always excuses or just straight up attitude. Just do your job and stop whining. Or better yet work on the south side or west side so you can appreciate how easy you have it.
6/09/2012 02:08:00 AM
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Yes, and this last comment was obviously NOT from a cop. If you talk to, and treat, 016th district police officers the way you talk here, I can understand why they might take issue with you.
Get a life. You're not the police, so stay off the police blog.
To 6/08/2012 04:30:00 PM
You need more furniture or some acoustic ceiling tiles in your place.
6/08/2012 09:46:00 PM
Maybe he's typing on the edge of the Grand Canyon.
To 11:48 PM - Firefighters CANNOT strike.
Thank you. I'd like to see everyone get home in one piece at the end of their shifts.
One more thing I cannot stand when I listen to the radio and I hear a job dipsatched that is clearly a 2 man job that is given to a 1 man car. Listen we as the Police need to wait for backup on these calls, I routinely hear "10-99 squad I'll let you know" that is unacceptable and unsafe. You owe it to your family to wait for backup if the job requires a 2 man unit. Next time you answer up and say that think about your family and what they would do without you. Plus in the end we will be forcing the city to hire more Police, the numbers don't lie. Please don't go alone on these jobs, I for one do not want to go to another funeral.
Signed,
Former Area 5 Det.
not a cop, but from my small vantage point, this city almost at the tipping point.
I used to spent summer afternoons biking along the lakefront, and considered 'THE POINT' at 55st the most beautiful place in city. But when that beautiful young lady, a recent college grad was murdered last summer on 57th beach, - - -IMHO, this city is at the tipping point, almost ruined. The truth is that the pathologies of 'THUG-LIFE' on the vast south & west sides are spreading like cancer to all area's of the city.
Maybe I'm just an ignorant scaredy cat, but to me this city is covered in the blood of a constant daily carnage. Blood all over Chicago but Jesse JJ sayeth NOTHING, but runs off to Florida to run off his big rhymin' LIAR mouth and pour gasoline on the fire there.
6/08/2012 09:34:00 AM
Well, you might "find it hard to believe", but Mr. Dan Rostenkowski pushed through a law restricting social security payouts to police and firemen, retired railroad workers, teachers, basically most public workers/pensioners.
It's called the 'Windfall Provision' and you can google it or go read the Social Security website. If we managed to get enough quarters for SS eligibility by working other employment, apart from our police careers, our social security benefits are reduced by sixty percent or more.
My elderly mother, due to receiving a death benefit pension through my dad, a public school teacher, and having been a retired railroad worker herself, receives a few pennies from Social Security. The whole thing stinks.
6/08/2012 06:21:00 PM
Ironically....the protests in Wisconsin regarding their pension reform is very misleading.
They do not put into the pension... not one dime. Therefore, they are noncontributory pensions, which not only gives them a sweet pension without contribution, but still qualifies them for FULL social security benefits. The words in Rostenkowski's bill is for employee contributory pensions. Paints a different picture on what they are fighting for in Wisconsin. All they are trying to get them to contribute is 3%. However, once they contribute, they lose ss benefits. Our pensions cannot compare, at all. Apples and oranges!
I think the crime back then was more confined to certain areas. Today it doesnt matter where you are.
WTF does 'integrated' mean? Seriously? Not my job to be 'integrated'. I follow up on cases and write reports based on my investigation.
WTF is 'INTEGRATED'???????
6/08/2012 01:37:00 PM
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Integration will occur via a synergistic paradigm shift of interdependent networked sector parameters
6/08/2012 09:53:00 PM
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... along with a symbiotic relationship among maximized processes. This will achieve a sustainable improvement while achieving critical mass.... (I am definitely management material.)
Anonymous said...
Off Topic But Very Important
I talked to a Fire Fighter neighbor of mine and they are up in arms and ready to take action with what Rahm says he will do with their pensions and other work issues.
They can strike, the Teachers can strike, we can't.
We should support them in any way we can and bury Obama, Rahm and McGeneralissimo.
6/08/2012 11:48:00 PM
Firefighters and police cannot strike in Illinois. It is grounds for immediate firing. Advocating a strike is grounds for immediate decertification of the union.
Laws changed in response to the firefighters strike of 1980. I remember that one, cops were detailed to every firehouse. It caused deep divisions within the CFD. If you ever see a retirement poster or party poster for CFD and it has a barrel and flame logo on it that means "Brotherhood of the Barrel."
Those were the guys who went out on strike . They stood around barrels burning wood to keep warm.
The non strikers are are not welcome at such gatherings although most of the CFD has turned over since then.
Anonymous said...
I'm the retired po who posted about 016. No, I never worked in 016 ( wish I had )
got passed over for promotion, twice, due to racial reason,
never had the clout to get a cush job
6/09/2012 09:53:00 AM
If you are retired then move along. Get a life and find new hobbies. Move out of the state. The officers assigned to 016 aredoing a great job and I support them.
Integration will occur via a synergistic paradigm shift of interdependent networked sector parameters
6/08/2012 09:53:00 PM
Thanks for making it clear as glass.
In regards to that Fire Fighter neighbor of mine and striking.
He said they were discussing tactics that would make a lot of noise by leave the capabilities of the CFD intact.
It might look like a strike, pickets out in front of houses but the apparatus will be fully manned. Going door to door off duty to gain support. Having someone, off duty, hand out fliers to crowds at fire scenes.
I told them that's what they should have done back in 1980.
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