And Another Thing....
....this "shot spotter" crap?
Even if it managed to beat a cell phone caller to the punch (which it hasn't);
Even if it managed to beat a cell phone caller to the punch (which it hasn't);
AND police actually arrived on the scene within moments of the shots being fired (which has happened without shot spotter)
AND the program was able to determine an actual fixed address where the shots originated from (we have no idea of the software is that integrated);
...without actually seeing the shots coming from a house, does anyone realistically believe that we're just going to start kicking in doors and ransacking homes/apartments looking for the gun and/or shooter?
In this day and age?
With the amount of punitive damages and such being assessed against officers?
With the number of officers at callback?
With the brass we have in place who wouldn't back their own mother in a parking lot fender-bender?
And even if we did, without the gun being in the hand, let alone the same room as the suspect shooter, does anyone really think Anita is going to charge anyone with the felony?
That sound you hear is millions of dollars being flushed down the toilet - again. Millions that could hire more actual officers.
Labels: department issues, dumb ideas
posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
49 Comments:
The Bill Cozzi / 25th District Party was GREAT!!!!
The asshole media and SCUMBAG Communist protesters had no idea about it!!
Great job to all those who planned it and did the work on it!
Shots fired everywhere..then what??
Whoosh!!!!!!!!!
EVERY shot fired is let loose at SOME kind of address.
10-flat?
30-unit courtyard building?
20-story high-rise? We start with Apt. 101 and work our way up or what?
Never happened that someone banged off a gun in front of a place and then ran away/drove away.
Even if the f__ing thing could manage to find the right side of the street and read the Scotch-taped note on the mailbox for the illegal apartment in back, the shooter's g-o-n-e.
If you're lucky. There are worse scenarios.
Don't trust this thing any farther than you can spit.
Oh -- and how does this thing perform on New Year's Eve?
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OFF TOPIC..... While in attendance at today's Bears game at Soldier field, I just happened to look up at the Jumbotron and saw Chicago's own Herbie Pulgar holding a camera in a pre-recorded segment for Lawrence Youth home in where it clearly appeared he was throwing up a pitch fork as he was holding a camera. Little bastard is something else.
OK, at most this will give - one more "Shots Fired" call of unknown reliability - and later than most! Investigate same as always.
To all the miscreants at the 025th district Delta House, just to let you know we are wise to your shenanigans. The next person we catch doing the Chewbacca noise over the radio is going to get double secret probation. Considered yourselves warned. I have the lt along with all the sgts tracking you. Dont mess woth the bull mister, you'll get the horns!
Shotspoter's lobbyists have been very busy at police headquarters, city hall, and in the alderman's chambers. No telling what they are doing, but, a lobbying firm has filed several reports showing they have "wooed" these three groups. Follow the money!
Thanks SCC. My sentiments exactly. I just didn't get it.
Very succinctly put.
Shut up and pay the corruption tax.
Forward!
That sound you hear is millions of dollars being flushed down the toilet - again. Millions that could hire more actual officers.
Yes, but........
Shot Spotter doesn't get paid.
Doesn't need time off.
Doesn't talk back to some meritorious, clout ridden hack who has been promoted WAY beyond her actual abilities ( Lt. A.S. up north comes to mind)and does what it was built to do.
If a shit head gets caught, Rahm will praise the system telling everyone what a smart fellow he is in having it brought to Chicago.
If it fails to live up to all the hype spewing from city hall, Rahm will just have Gary blame the rank and file for not responding in a timely fashion.
Win - Win
That's why I dont bother with any of it anymore. Not worth dealing with the asa
There'll still be contingents of unwitting, unseasoned, impressionable and unable-to-be-told-anything Tactical Hairgel Heros who will bogart their way into the homes from which they believe the source of the gunfire originated.
Its all good, though. These modern day Real Police (insert sarcasm here) will be armed with the almighty and 'impervious to liability' Consent to Search Form, after all.
Ahhhh!!! You smell that??? That's the sweet scent of CPD sandbagging.
unbelievable!!! more money for cockamamie technology but none for more bodies...
Attorney General!
another ass clown worried about 2 or 3 officers on medical leave.
Yet million flushed right down toilet with scams like shot locators.
Another scam i ran across was sidewalks that absorb pollution in the 012 district by Cermak rd and Ashland!
and your worried about guys that take off on the medical for a weekend...
Shotspotter has been around and installed on several cameras for nearly an entire decade. The failed technology went like this:
3 microphones mounted on or nearby the camera are used to determine shot location using the doppler effect, meaning time received on each microphone is analyzed and time shift shows direction. It's pathetic and it never worked and never can work except in very limited circumstances where the camera and microphones are located in a totally open environment where the sound will strike each microphone as it originally happens.
The problems then, and the same physics problems that exist now, is that none of these systems can be placed in any locations where the scum shoot each other because it all occurs in residential neighborhoods where people actually LIVE, meaning they have houses there.
You can't mount this stupidity in an alley because the buildings screw up the signals received by the microphones, as do trees nearby and any other semisolid object that reflects sound waves.
Not to mention the fact that these "new" systems are supposed to swing the camera towards where the system "thinks" the sound is coming from to capture the event.
Again, only in totally open and clear environments did it ever manage to work SOMEIMES.
In an urban environment, it NEVER works.
#1. The physics of sound in urban environments completely renders useless the "detection" system of the microphones that rely on acoustic delay for the dopler examination.
#2. Unless the camera has a completely clear 360 degree view around it, when it DOES finally think it knows where a shot came from, it will arbitrarily swing towards a wall, a house or some other closest solid object because that's were the first reflection came from.
Or it just swings right towards a building that it obviously can't see through.
So no, this is McDrunkenFuck trotting out 10 year old failed technology to keep the shitheadgoround spinning until winter hits and he can stop with the lies for a few months.
I love the shot spotter!! I can't wait for New Year's Eve. Those California technicians will go nuts!
With the brass we have in place who wouldn't back their own mother in a parking lot fender-bender?
And even if we did, without the gun being in the hand, let alone the same room as the suspect shooter, does anyone really think Anita is going to charge anyone with the felony?
Yes, the Police!
Two questions.
1. What happened to the case of the exempt's daughter and her gangbanger friend having guns and drugs in the exempt's condo?
2. What happened to the Dan Webb independent investigation of the Vaneco punch and run case?
Hopefully he did a better job than he did trying to get his disgrased EXgovernor Ryan out early!!
An old USMC buddy is the police in a suburb of San Francisco, their bosses used shot finder for one month, then broke the contract and dared them to sue. They didn't.
More wasted money by the city, do anything but pay us, seems to be Rahm's and Garry's motto.
You're wrong, SCC. That sound you hear is millions of dollars being stuffed into connected peoples' wallets. They know this is bullshit, just like the cameras for their Soviet police state, but they'll do it anyway.
Because people vote for the communist democRAT machine.
OT: SCC let the rest of the real police know that the exempt members have their own set of lawyers provided by the department and the city
Just Asking: What happens if the device is your "Probable Cause" or "Reasonable Suspicion"; has this device/system been validated in a court? If it hasn't, then whomever uses it as the basis of thier arrest, pursuit or search may be in for one rude awakening! The Supreme Court is reviewing two cases right now on the issue of drug sniffing dogs. Now remember these dogs are highly trained, certified and re-certified on a regular basis. Can that be said about these sound systems? Would a Chicago winter have any effect on their reliability? How often will these devices need to be tested and certified? The whole issue of maintaining and certification is vital to the reliability of these systems. Loevy & Loevy should not be the ones to judge the accuracy of these devices. "Baby G"
Shot spotter did a great job a month or two a go when they called in shots fired in the 4100 block of Ferdinand.for those not familiar with the area, it's an industrial area with train tracks running through it. And oh yeah the gas pumps. Great job.
rahm has to repay some his cronies that gave, but not for nothing. he thinks like ob throw tax payers money away where ever he wants. but most of all run the city into the ground.
If people dont beleave that the cameras do the job, this is even a step backwards.....Insane and huge waste of money.Smokescreen...hello media..anyone with a voice
I have to agree with the writer who sounds caution. I am from a different era. I worked tact 30 years ago . If I did the things today we did back then I would be risking my job, my freedom and my families finacial security.We got the job done, but had the backing of the department and no one had cameras to record selective scenes. We knew the gangbangers and drug dealers and we went after them, agressively !. Must be cautious today .
SCC, spotter crap!! You crack me up!! But you are right!
Anonymous said...
Very succinctly put.
10/29/2012 02:48:00 AM
Suck what?
"While in attendance at today's Bears game at Soldier field, I just happened to look up at the Jumbotron and saw Chicago's own Herbie Pulgar holding a camera in a pre-recorded segment for Lawrence Youth home in where it clearly appeared he was throwing up a pitch fork..."
--10/29/2012 12:40:00 AM
Everyone knows all about Lil Scumbag by now...i.e., THIS IS INTENTIONAL. They're rubbing decent people's faces in it.
This is good. Keep throwing up s__t in a real big way. The ones with the hat to the other side see this too. He will be found unresponsive somewhere before he hits 21.
Mom find her dream Tupac Shakur lookalike yet?
Dad get extradited from Venezuela on those drug running charges yet?
City Treasurer Susana Mendoza ever open her personal pocketbook and hand a thousand dollars to some elderly crime victim who needed new eyeglasses and new dentures and new ID and new bus pass and new medication and the locks changed again and her grocery money for the month was gone?
Lowest of the low.
West Side, Inside Do-Nothing said...
There'll still be contingents of unwitting,
Yes, you're still a D-bag!
they dont expect you to believe it they expect the media to pass it on to there lemmings in the hope that they will
no money to pay into our pension but all the crappy stuff the city buys lay broken in our squad car. when our we gonna to buy a police drone?
Yeah but you can't sue the camera!
Off days cancelled
We all know that the brass would encourage us to kick in doors off the record with a "wink wink," hoping all goes well making them look great and further their higher promotions. They know if all doesn't go well they will not be accountable. Their names will be no where on the paper and the poor coppers will be left all alone. It's happened many many times.
It's just the shitcago way of taking care of connected folks ! It's so much easier to buy "junk" from someone than it is to justify giving them a exhorbitant amount of $$$$$ for some backroom promise/favor.
During the 2008 election night the CPIC just turned off the audio alert.
Anonymous said...
West Side, Inside Do-Nothing said...
There'll still be contingents of unwitting,
Yes, you're still a D-bag!
10/29/2012 02:10:00 PM
Jealousy will get you no where son. He is right on the money. Some of you goofs won't take advice no matter how its given. Get some time on the job and get back to us with all the revelations you experience. If you make it that long.
If a shot is fired in the woods and no one hears, did it really happen?
OT: This is an ad that popped up this morning regarding the IL Constitutional Amendment.
http://www.weareoneillinois.org/voteno
Jealousy will get you no where son. He is right on the money.
Sorry, but I disagree. He seems more angry and bitter than anything else, aka D-bag. I'm just a 3 bar wonder who still likes to aggravate the public. Is that enough time on to figure it out? Oh, and wtf could I possibly be jealous of? Who cares? Be Safe.
Jealousy will get you no where son. He is right on the money.
Sorry, but I disagree. He seems more angry and bitter than anything else, aka D-bag. I'm just a 3 bar wonder who still likes to aggravate the public. Is that enough time on to figure it out? Oh, and wtf could I possibly be jealous of? Who cares? Be Safe.
10/30/2012 09:06:00 AM
Aggravate the public? YOU are what's wrong with this job, "D-Bag". Another hard on with a badge and gun that needed his ass kicked more growing up. You are a pathetic mother-effer.
Deputy Wormer said...
To all the miscreants at the 025th district Delta House, just to let you know we are wise to your shenanigans. The next person we catch doing the Chewbacca noise over the radio is going to get double secret probation. Considered yourselves warned. I have the lt along with all the sgts tracking you. Dont mess woth the bull mister, you'll get the horns!
10/29/2012 12:56:00 AM
what's the matter, too close to the sound of your species' mating call?
If a shot is fired in the woods and no one hears, did it really happen?
10/29/2012 11:02:00 PM
did you shoot yourself in the foot, again?
"YOU are what's wrong...."
Hey good come back. You know me so well.
Anonymous said...
That sound you hear is millions of dollars being flushed down the toilet - again. Millions that could hire more actual officers.
Yes, but........
Shot Spotter doesn't get paid.
Doesn't need time off.
Doesn't talk back to some meritorious, clout ridden hack who has been promoted WAY beyond her actual abilities ( Lt. A.S. up north comes to mind)and does what it was built to do.
If a shit head gets caught, Rahm will praise the system telling everyone what a smart fellow he is in having it brought to Chicago.
If it fails to live up to all the hype spewing from city hall, Rahm will just have Gary blame the rank and file for not responding in a timely fashion.
Win - Win
10/29/2012 06:40:00 AM
Yeah but it takes some inside do-nothing to get on the air to report it. Big giant waste.
Even setting the legal issues aside, a system like this is just begging to be hacked and/or spoofed. On the plus side, if they put one outside Rahm's house it won't be long before there's "evidence" that he likes shooting miniguns at all hours of the day.
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