An Interesting Article
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With the number of murders in Chicago so far this year already surpassing the total for all of 2011, why would the police make it a priority to track down a teenager wanted for only a misdemeanor?
It was because Milton was on the police department’s “heat list” — part of a new anti-violence strategy pushed by Supt. Garry McCarthy to arrest fugitives who have been linked to people who have been killed.
The effort springs from a Yale University sociologist’s finding that these “hot people” are far more likely, as a result of those social ties, to become a victim or perpetrator of deadly violence themselves.
Now usually, anything from Yale involving police work would be fodder for a couple of days worth of comedy. But this statistic caught our eye:
- Citywide, Chicago’s murder rate is 14.5 per 100,000. But it jumps to 44.5 per 100,000 in the Harrison District on the West Side, one of the city’s highest-crime districts. And for “hot people” in that district, the murder rate jumps to 1,865 per 100,000, according to the police department.
Interesting if it bears out over time. The article deals with one individual wanted on a misdemeanor charge who ended up serving 30 days. Granted, that's 30 days he isn't a potential victim, but does it actually do anything except put off his almost inevitable demise?
Like we said, interesting in the short term. Long term, we see is that it shows what a bunch of liars there are out there saying everyone shot is an "innocent victim."
Labels: info for the police, stats
posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
76 Comments:
I have an idea how to bring the crime rate way down in Chicago. Un-annex Englewood and the west side. Make them unincorporated sections of Chicago. That a lot smarter than this crap.
So Chicago's new crime stratey is to lock up the victim?
That's profiling. We all know it, so why can't a beat cop do it?
Political corruption/ass kissing that's why.
If Obama had a son, would he look like that boy? And should that boy be but into county for 30 days because of profiling, but another boy who does the same thing is not.
What a joke....fugitive unit -the kings of petty arrests...we get better pinches on a beat car...no I didn't apply....
Easy fix...no parole, probation, or bond for da hot list....
Hmmm, sounds like "Minority Report." I wonder is MMMasters is floating naked in a tank of softly illuminated goo with the rest of his predictive types.... DISREGARD....I just threw up a little.
They just keep ignoring the fact that many of these people getting shot deserve it....
"The effort springs from a Yale University sociologist’s finding that these “hot people” are far more likely, as a result of those social ties, to become a victim or perpetrator of deadly violence themselves."
duh.
Chalkie
I have a far more interesting fact how many victims
and offenders should never be in contact with one another because one or both should still be incarcerated. my dissertation will be on that subject
This is so bullshit.
Used as an excuse to keep doing exactly what CPD is doing. And how's that working out?
$52,000 in emergency healthcare cost for a GSW victim.
$53,000/year for each year of jail time should you catch the person doing the shooting.
$400,000 to investigate and prosecute a homicide.
By the end of tonight we'll have spent another $1 million on this bullshit and the mayor and top cop will tell us crime is down and we'll all be worse off for even listening to any of the non-sense they are trying to push.
That's one million dollars in one night.
Now you want to jail the social contacts for misdemeanors at a cost to the taxpayers of about $146/day
Band-aids ain't gonna work.
However if the political apparatus addressed the real social issues that create these problems then they will lose their fear leverage used as a tool to ask for more taxes -- to expand their empires by requesting larger budgets.
Case in point.
Marijuana has just been made legal in the state of Washington and in Colorado. We're not just talking for medical purposes. We're talking legal PERIOD.
And the Fed drug czars are in a absolute PANIC. Why? You're messing with their empire, their cash flow, their lively hood. It's the monitization of crime for personal gain. If you no longer have to chase pot smokers/growers what are you going to do with yourself??? You're likely to have your departments budget cuts and your empire will cave.
Every poll out there wants weed to be legal and the politico's ignore the will of the people. That's not democracy.
Meanwhile Obama stated in the past that he would let the States decide on the issue of legalizing weed for medical purposes. That his DOJ had better things to do like chasing terrorist then to get bogged down in weed bust.
Nevertheless Obama lied. Obama's DOJ has raided more dispensaries in places like Cal. than Bush ever has.
Point being this is a business to them. THEY DON'T WANT WEED TO BE LEGAL. THEY WANT TO USE IT AS A TOOL, A REVENUE STREAM. And I'm thinking it's the same for the Chicago violence.
Legalize the weed and you hit a revenue stream that drives this madness. Then you can concentrate on the hard core drugs and the first thing to consider is background checks on immigrants as you do on gun owners.
Just watch how the Feds start raiding Colorado and Washington now.
Well what's the name of the report and let's see it. Knowing these clowns they cherry picked the data and spun it to present an image that they want to see.
Based upon that study we should be assigning personal body guards like the ex-mayor and aldermen Burke has to these people. That'll work right?
More word games.
First they called them gangs and then they called them crews because we had to be careful about the images the citizens might conjure up when you say the word gangs.
Now we have a new name. "Hot People"
We talk about "Hot People" in a district like it's something new.
We need sociologist from a prestigious university so you will not question the data. At the same time there's no citation so that you can read the entire report for it's conclusion.
..and what does that data tell us pray tell? That a gang member or someone that hangs with a gang member on occasion is more likely to get shot?
And we call this a break thru?
Meanwhile nor a hide or hair heard from the million dollah Cease Fire Street Friars who are ex-gang members, ex-crew members, ex hot people. That was money well spent eh mayor Rahm?
Hot people??? I need another drink.
Beatrice---pour another PBR. Daddy's thirsty.
The effort springs from a Yale University sociologist’s finding that these “hot people” are far more likely, as a result of those social ties, to become a victim or perpetrator of deadly violence themselves.
The "wrong crowd" theory.
Thanks Yale, how would we ever have figured this out on our own?
Another reason to fence off the ghetto and let nature take its course.
Survival of the fittest. Why intervene?
Putting off the inevitable gives the bad guys more time to plan, that's all.
And who thinks lawyers won't try to capitalize on this? You locked up my client to restrict his freedom...who appointed you his guardian????
Cha-ching.
Tell me again why I should care about these people?
Bad people do bad things.
Case closed and where's my grant money?
" He's making a list, he's checking it twice, he's gonna find out if you're naughty or nice, Chalkie is coming to town ".
Remember, Chalkie never sleeps, rest, or takes the day off...live the thug life and meeting him is inevitable.
SCC, I think this is similar to what Boston did more than 10 years ago when they tried to identify the kids most likely to pull triggers. They brought in police, teachers, social workers, clergy, anybody they could to intervene with the kids they identified. At some point, they didn't have a youth murder for one or more years.
That was Evans, who begat Bratton, who begat someone slightly less competent and so on and so on until you guys ended up with McCarthy. Six degrees of separation indeed. Except now you guys have the inbred great-great=-great-descendant of Boston police royalty as your super.
Anonymous said...
What a joke....fugitive unit -the kings of petty arrests...we get better pinches on a beat car...no I didn't apply....
11/11/2012 12:59:00 AM
Speaking of petty, the jokes on you. Enjoy that beat car, tough guy.
They just keep ignoring the fact that many of these people getting shot deserve it....
11/11/2012 01:43:00 AM
Well....yeah, but its the one's that don't deserve it that need to be protected.
we got a hot list for all the corrupt politicians in this county and state--- this egghead professor may be on to something, let's lock them up before they get a chance to steal....
I have some heat for you right here... Grabbin my joint!!!
Why are we consulting with Yale. We have plenty of scholars on this job from St. Xavier and Calumet College.
Don't need a Yale nerd or a New Yorker for that info. Any salty beat cop in the Harrison district knows that.
We need a surge of boots on the ground. We need dynamic leadership.
Bypass the clout babies. True leadership can do the job.
Anonymoussaid...
My neighbor is on the cpd.he doesn't wear a uniform.he leaves for work Mon thru Fri at 10 am and is home each day by 3 pm.what in the hell kind of job does he have?is that fair to all you hard workers?what should I do?2
11/10/2012 05:29:00 PM
Thats probably because he's going to court and actually goes to work when your fat ass is under the covers eating cookies and watching American Idol.
Take that Yale University sociologist and throw his ass out on the west side to fight crime for a couple weeks and then maybe I'll listen to what he thinks. Otherwise he can go FUCK himself.
Six degrees of Oscar Mayer.
I like bacon. He maple kind.
I was hoping by now GFax would be packed & sent back to Hoboken.
There is no escaping my wrath.
Chalkie
Yes, 30 days to get up close to rivals and eventually even the score upon release. Just putting off the inevitable. Direct link ? Yes. Real solution ? NO! Now if you relocate them to Siberia after release that wound have a real lasting result.
If ya can't dazzle 'em with bullshit, try baffle 'em with statistics?
O_o?
Is that McDrunkenlout passing off this hot mustard of a fart as something new and improved in Policing? Fuckery with numbers again?
GTFOH, you L.E. gypsy bojank artist!
EVERYONE who EVER wore a CPD Star and put it to good use, (especially the one that had "Patrolman" emblazoned on it) can sum up this new fangled fuckery with numbers, thus...
Today's victim was yesterday's offender... Today's offender will sure as shootin' be tommorrow's victim...
When you grow up in Chicago and pay attention to what's going on, you automatically know this.
It ain't rocket science, you silly, scared shitless children at 3510 South & 111 North!
Oh wait... They're from EVERYWHERE ELSE but Chicago. Nevermind.
Chicago Crime is 10 feet tall, weighs a ton, has fists the size of bowling balls and cast a big fucking shadow when it jumped from behind a tree and said "BOO?" when Tutu & McTalksOutHisAss walked by.
"YAAAAHHHH! MOMMY! MAKE IT STOP!"
That explains the constant shit-spray of "new ideas" AND "new intiatives" on the set of the ongoing tragi-comedy called Policing in Chicago.
The Patrolman has simple survival at the forefront of his mind.
Watch your step! "It's" all over the damned place by intentional design...
*We're re-inventing & re-imaging Policing in Chicago! Congratulate us and kiss our asses because we're smarter than you dumb Blue Suits could ever be!*
Hold tha' damn phone, jackson!
NOTHING IS NEW IN POLICING AS LONG AS THE HUMAN ELEMENT IS INVOLVED.
...On EITHER side of this bad equation they're making us work with.
Those who live by fuckery should be dragged up the rough side of it...
Okay, so people who reside in the most violent areas, who have criminal records, are more likely to be perpetrators of violent acts? And I need a computer program to tell me this?
There is an interesting theory of crime out there called " victimology" and it deals with why most people become victims of crime. Basically it is saying that if you frequent places where criminals frequent, days of week and times and locations, you are more likely to become a victim yourself. When I was working homicide we called it .\, " todays groceries, tomorrows garbage". Same thing.
In the early 1990's a/4 VC, wanted to start a database listing all persons involved in homicide investigations..... The Legal Dept. shut it down, stating violation of civil rights. Citywide there were a number of people involved in multiple homicides...
Sgt. R. F. Rewers Retired.....
Because he and his cohorts or his cohorts did a bunch of heinous felonies as they flee the misdemeanor charges.
Hope those coppers are not "undercover" Speaking of undercover was at midway last week flying out and notice a copper wearing a baggy dirty sweatshirt, gun hanging out, walking around airport,he had a blue colored special airport I'd card, hey office if your trying to be in plain clothes so be it,but the gun hanging off your hip really looks tacky cover up.
Wow. So basically what they are saying is that if you are a shithead the odds of you getting killed increase exponentially. And they had to go to Yale for that. Plenty of old time coppers with GEDS figured that out long ago.
So, this is starting to sound like the Tom Cruse movie, "Minority Report".
And let's say we hunt down this "Hot Person" and take him into custody.
The gang who is hunting him now finds him in jail and kills him there or when he leaves the court or jail.
Are we as taxpayers going to be in any way responsible? We set this guy up.
If these gangbangers would just learn to shoot straight and properly dispose of the bodies this wouldn't be a problem anymore.
What these professors, sociologists, experts and white shirts don't know is a simple truth. When someone on the streets has a hit on them. They will soon meet their demise. That is the lifestyle and choices they made and so they should suffer the consequences. In the ghetto there are young men who joined a gang, sling dope, engage in wide scale criminal activities, etc... They made those choices. In the mean time some made the choice on the straight and narrow.
So the department is going to spend so much resources on the losers of society? We should spend our resources on the decent people.
Lets deduct from an offenders SSI, Link, Food Stamps if he or she commits a crime. The city can make some -real- money and hire more cops.
Anonymous said...
The female P.O. in 20 opened her mouth cause the sgt's like to pretend they dont see some people but see others. If you dont like it come into Dunkin and talk to her. I bet u wont fucking coward. Il be sitting next to her so you know who i am, U chicken shit.
11/10/2012 05:42:00 PM
Of all the people to talk!!! look who it is the one who created this whole fiasco (early cars, early lunches ) .you talk a lot of sh*t
why do you spend time doing some real police work
.
Anonymous said...
"The effort springs from a Yale University sociologist’s finding that these “hot people” are far more likely, as a result of those social ties, to become a victim or perpetrator of deadly violence themselves."
duh.
Chalkie
11/11/2012 03:27:00 AM
Not funny Chalkie! He got millions from Uncle Sam to conduct that study!
"Predictive"? All of this is nonsense. If predictions were so easy- no problem-- get a couple of computers and start day trading futures and make millions.
All nonsense.
After this last election, I've decided that I'm a believer. If you can't beat them, you must join them. I'm all in now. I believe in the power of the crystal ball unit, Yale professors knowing more about policing in Chicago than street cops do and compstat being able to work with cameras to put cops on dots.
Where do I sign up? And I'm going to need some free democrat money too. I gots to get mines.
They have a surge going already. THey are deploying DEA agents to the field on the weekends. FBI too. Im sure they can fix this problem.
Apply Yale's logic to our legislative branch and the arrest and conviction of all our aldermen and governors. We need to go lock up every other alderman and governor. Sorry Quinn, it is for your protection.
Anonymous said...
So, this is starting to sound like the Tom Cruse movie, "Minority Report".
And let's say we hunt down this "Hot Person" and take him into custody.
The gang who is hunting him now finds him in jail and kills him there or when he leaves the court or jail.
Are we as taxpayers going to be in any way responsible? We set this guy up.
If these gangbangers would just learn to shoot straight and properly dispose of the bodies this wouldn't be a problem anymore.
11/11/2012 10:59:00 AM
If they kill him in jail is that an "innie?" Or is it murder neutral, not counted against Chicago's total? If so, McMakersMark can really lower the total if he can confine the homicides to 26th and California or better still, to an IDOC facility somewhere.
How about prison ships in Lake Michigan! They can cruise the Indiana or Michigan waters so any mayhem occurs out of state! Great idea, I'll bring it up at the next Compstat.
This plays into what any street cop has known all along...."victim today, offender tomorrow." As the retaliation flows back and forth, the roles keep alternating as the street rats settle their disputes with guns instead of like civilized people would. Another big factor is the "snitches get stitches" mentality which compels them to settle the score themselves instead of involving law enforcement.
How about using the laws you have and keep people in jail for the appropriate amount of time. They don't like it. They commit less crimes.
If criminals were actually punished, I am pretty sure they would be less likely to commit more crimes. Oh yeah, bring back the death penalty, too.
CPS tried the same bullshit several years ago under Huberman. They identified 1500 or so potential victims, skimmed $30 or so million dollars from the classrooms and went to town.
They were so good that they refused to identify who was on their list, that way there was no way to tell if they were making any difference. Only those in the know were made aware of who was being monitored.
He brought in some super scammers to mentor these "most likely" victims and paid great salaries and commissions to who can only guess. Not only did the shootings not go down, we see the Agg. Batt.s and Homicide rate what it is today.
Originally it was some out of town outfit brought into run it and when the local Revs got wind of it shit hit the fan. That brought on millions more in local programming.
The more shit changes the more it stays the same.
Not funny Chalkie! He got millions from Uncle Sam to conduct that study!
11/11/2012 01:30:00 PM
and yet, when his time comes, he'll experience the rigorous proof of the axiom that i cannot be bribed.
Chalkie
Snapped on radio and heard Z4 for like TWO SECONDS in the MIDDLE OF NOVEMBER and it's --
"Two complainants waiting with doorman 1200 Lake Shore Drive, they were attacked in the underpass. Say one of the youths had a gun.
"Yes, that sounds like roaming group attacking others tonight at Oak and Michigan, etc.
"See if we can get a better description..."
TWO SECONDS. What was once almost "unheard of" has now gone past "routine" into "backlog."
Gold Coast is the "go-to" place for the whole south and west sides now. The mutt just wants to pee somewhere new, mark it out.
Daley lost control of high-rent core business district, and it's going on and on. Unreal.
Anonymous said...
I have a far more interesting fact how many victims
and offenders should never be in contact with one another because one or both should still be incarcerated. my dissertation will be on that subject
11/11/2012 04:05:00 AM
Good point! However, that should be a thing of the past now that we have voted to retain all of our quality Judges.
“No more cops killing our kids...”
Yeah, like Ameena The Interrupter says, "We do not need no body comin up in here tellin us how to do."
We do a fine job of killing each other.
Thank you.
Is that what we got for our million bucks?
Hmmm. can I get the names of the 1865 "hot people" and then start a pool oh say 100 of us can pay in for life insurance policies for them? Million $ policy, each of 100 officers gets $10000. How much can a million dollar policy cost for an 18 year old. Heck my old ass is only paying 27 bucks a month for a 1/2 million policy
What a joke....fugitive unit -the kings of petty arrests...we get better pinches on a beat car...no I didn't apply....
11/11/2012 12:59:00 AM
Speaking of petty, the jokes on you. Enjoy that beat car, tough guy.
11/11/2012 07:48:00 AM
Yah, 3 coppers in 2 'C' cars for one BS arrest -- hit it right on the head...comes thru our station about once a month...
"The effort springs from a Yale University sociologist’s finding that these “hot people” are far more likely, as a result of those social ties, to become a victim or perpetrator of deadly violence themselves."
Can we say Team AssClown!!!
SCC Fan said...
Anonymous said...
What a joke....fugitive unit -the kings of petty arrests...we get better pinches on a beat car...no I didn't apply....
11/11/2012 12:59:00 AM
Speaking of petty, the jokes on you. Enjoy that beat car, tough guy.
11/11/2012 07:48:00 AM
Hardly stroke... bet you do more useless paper than I....make that second phone call and cash in your ten honorable mentions to make sergeant...we need more useless, do nothing sergeants on this job, toolbox.
Granted, that's 30 days he isn't a potential victim, but does it actually do anything except put off his almost inevitable demise?
Sounds about right.
The department allows the sun times to put 3 undercover/covert officers on the front page. That was so brilliant, now any cover they did have is gone now. Why give them an undercover take home car if your gonna let them get posted front page on a criminal rag such as the times. The powers that made this call are simply genius. May as well put them in another clouted spot because the entire criminal element knows who they are now. Trying to be undercover with this kind of exposure is not very safe for the posted officers.
>>>Anonymous said...
Snapped on radio and heard Z4 for like TWO SECONDS in the MIDDLE OF NOVEMBER and it's --
"Two complainants waiting with doorman 1200 Lake Shore Drive, they were attacked in the underpass. Say one of the youths had a gun.
"Yes, that sounds like roaming group attacking others tonight at Oak and Michigan, etc.
"See if we can get a better description..."
TWO SECONDS. What was once almost "unheard of" has now gone past "routine" into "backlog."
Gold Coast is the "go-to" place for the whole south and west sides now. The mutt just wants to pee somewhere new, mark it out.
Daley lost control of high-rent core business district, and it's going on and on. Unreal.
11/11/2012 06:13:00 PM<<<
Now IF...! Those complainants had carried a concealed handgun and left their assailant with fatal wounds, holding his own gun and an expression on his face that the undertaker had difficulty wiping off and jumped into a cab, gone home, burned their clothes, ditched their gun or run emery powder through the bore when the cops found the body and his gun and ran his criminal history said, "Somebody did society a favor!"
I wouldn't have a problem with that.
Anonymous said...
In the early 1990's a/4 VC, wanted to start a database listing all persons involved in homicide investigations..... The Legal Dept. shut it down, stating violation of civil rights. Citywide there were a number of people involved in multiple homicides...
Sgt. R. F. Rewers Retired.....
11/11/2012 10:22:00 AM
I heard a bunch of fed money was removed from the police dept. because data was being collected on just such people. Computer program was being used 'illegally' in violation of civil rights. Whole thing was hush-hush, CPD lost the $$$ but just kept doing it.
Sounds like civil rights violation to me.
And who gives a rat's ass? We'll end up picking up the bodies now or later.
Enjoy retirement sarge, and be glad you're now just a spectator at the circus!
The Box Chevy Phantom said...
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Since SCC's admonitions about long posts....
Your posts aren't any shorter by using one-sentence paragraphs.
Why don't you start your own blog, or start writing a book???
Anonymous said...
Don't need a Yale nerd or a New Yorker for that info. Any salty beat cop in the Harrison district knows that.
We need a surge of boots on the ground. We need dynamic leadership.
Bypass the clout babies. True leadership can do the job.
11/11/2012 09:04:00 AM
I don't know. I work there and it seems like there aren't a lot of people over 40 who work there--except bosses.
Hmmm. can I get the names of the 1865 "hot people" and then start a pool oh say 100 of us can pay in for life insurance policies for them? Million $ policy, each of 100 officers gets $10000. How much can a million dollar policy cost for an 18 year old. Heck my old ass is only paying 27 bucks a month for a 1/2 million policy
11/11/2012 09:07:00 PM
now, this is the entrepreneurial American spirit that gives me goosebumps.
Chalkie
The department allows the sun times to put 3 undercover/covert officers on the front page. That was so brilliant, now any cover they did have is gone now. Why give them an undercover take home car if your gonna let them get posted front page on a criminal rag such as the times. The powers that made this call are simply genius. May as well put them in another clouted spot because the entire criminal element knows who they are now. Trying to be undercover with this kind of exposure is not very safe for the posted officers.
11/12/2012 01:18:00 AM
Undercover!? Are you kidding. Like everyone else in civilian dress these guys are roaming around in duty gunbelts and exposed vests emblazoned with CPD identifiers. They are FAR from undercover. When undercover, you're not supposed to look like the police. And they need take-home cars like I need a hernia.
Wow,that sounds like some crystal ball/Person of Interest shit...Ivy league homies be knowin what the gangstas be up to. Those guys were born on the west side of connecticut BOyyyyyy!!
They weren't in undercover capacity when they took them out so relax, it was harmless good publicity for the dept for a change. Most use unmarked cars Cuz the city didnt come.up with more c cars. The ones with c cars are deputized marshals. The marshals have the money, the city doesn't.
They weren't in undercover capacity when they took them out so relax, it was harmless good publicity for the dept for a change. Most use unmarked cars Cuz the city didnt come.up with more c cars. The ones with c cars are deputized marshals. The marshals have the money, the city doesn't.
You should know what you speak of before you comment. Each officer/Sgt/Lt. in fugitive has an undercover covert vehicle. They take them home each night. They are suppose to working in a undercover/covert capacity. So, I do not believe it is a good idea to be plastering them on the front page of the Rag Times. As far as good PR for the department, all this little PR move did was open the city wide open for more law suits then they are already exposed to by bad PR and stupid decision making by the powers that be. You must be in a power position and the above comment hurt your ego. Sorry, didn't mean to hurt anybodies feelings, but just writing it how I see it.
Sorry, didn't mean to hurt anybodies feelings, but just writing it how I see it.
11/13/2012 02:15:00 AM
there are some feelings that need, and deserve, to be hurt.
and, for some people to learn, you have to drop a load of bricks on their heads.
Wow. Just trying to figure out how that works in a civil case.
"You see, your Honor, we've got these Tom Cruises downtown how were able to foresee this kid was headed for a bullet in the head. So we arrested him. Really."
After trial and attorney's fees, these cases will cost about $250,000 each.
Anonymous said...
There is an interesting theory of crime out there called " victimology" and it deals with why most people become victims of crime. Basically it is saying that if you frequent places where criminals frequent, days of week and times and locations, you are more likely to become a victim yourself. When I was working homicide we called it .\, " todays groceries, tomorrows garbage". Same thing.
11/11/2012 10:13:00 AM
In the firearms/CCW community we call this "don't go stupid places with stupid people and do stupid things at stupid times." I've followed those rules all my life and have luckily never been the victim of a crime nor have I been investigated for committing a crime. Knock on wood.
You obviously don't know what your talking about. The afternoon Sgts DO NOT have coverts, the coverts are used by officers for surveillance as needed. There is an extreme shortage of cars in the unit. Most are using shitty unmarked with over 100,000 miles and borrow from financial everyday. People on days even had to give up coverts. The marshal team and some of the deputized people on various teams on days have coverts, that's it. The unit is hoping for more cars, both unmarked and covert.
I get all excited when I hear the phrase "hot people".
Then I remember it has nothing to do with the bathhouse.
I feel so sad.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
Can I come into Starbucks and sit with you instead?
Dunkin' is so gauche.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
"...the mutt wants to pee somewhere new..."
He has found it. There is no one to stop him.
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