Someone is Lying
Not just lying - lending credence to the theory of a cover-up:
- She’s one of Chicago’s top cops — so highly rated that she was one of three finalists to replace former Supt. Jody Weis.
But Debra Kirby’s account of her actions in the aftermath of disgraced officer Anthony Abbate’s notorious videotaped attack on a bartender was directly contradicted in sworn testimony Tuesday in federal court by another officer and an assistant Cook County State’s attorney.
Lawyers for the beaten bartender, Karolina Obrycka, hope the three wildly differing accounts from Kirby, Sgt. Joseph Stehlik and prosecutor Tom Bilyk about a phone call Kirby testified she made three days after the attack will convince a jury that Kirby is a liar who tried to hush up Abbate’s attack.
Just knowing what we know, and some of our number having been through the wringer, we speculate as follows:
- The prosecutor has no dog in the fight. Anita has been looking to hang coppers for years and her predecessor didn't do us many favors either. To think the States Attorney wouldn't have hung a copper out to dry in a heartbeat is nuts;
- If this was in fact, a heater case as is being portrayed, there is no way a sergeant takes it upon himself to get misdemeanor complaints signed under unless he's part and parcel of any conspiracy. We don't mind sergeants for the most part, but let's not kid anyone - they aren't allowed to make decisions of this sort of import.
- Kirby is throwing everyone she can under the bus in hope that the wheels jam up and save her the brunt of this one.
There is a reason that IAD reports directly to the Superintendent
outside of any other chain of command. It's the same reason the
Superintendent reports directly to the mayor - political insulation. And if there's a fire, insulation protects the "valuables."
From our e-mail:
- Why isn't anyone asking about how IAD tried to farm out the SOS investigation to the States Attorney and the feds for over almost two years while the crew ran amok? Kirby was in charge then and sat on it.
Labels: scandals
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
96 Comments:
Stop with the conspiracy theory. If you think these were kirbys choices alone you are crazy. She kept her job this long by following orders and being a good soldier. And as far as the sos nonsense. No one wanted it because it was a shit case with little or no evidence other than dope dealers accusations. You cant play both sides. Being one day you are on IADS side the next your claiming they are screwing over cops.
I suspect Cline was the one who kept the SOS scandal from going fed....JMHO. Of course, he's retired, and it's doubtful he'll be called to testify on anything for now...how wonderful, if it was HE who has inadvertently tossed Kirby under a Big Bend! Karma!
Is kirby losing her fucking job or not?is the attorney terry ekl going to want her charged with perjury or official misconduct?if she gets hit with official misconduct she loses both her job and pension.the law will not allow her to collect a pension.
Next Kirby will go after the Sgt saying he is making false statements in court.
Since the ASA says the phone call never happened she will throw another under the bus to prove
That lawyer ekl should put a cr# on kirby.
OT: Saw the new cmdr of 003 on the news tonight. I think he did a good job being under the scrutiny of Goudy's 'investigative unit' report. But I hope those officers sitting in the tahoe on Drexel have enough
sense to leave the newspapers at home, and at least
appear to be doing something proactive during their
tours of duty on that hot spot. Several shots were taken of the beat car and the officers sitting inside of it from the channel 7 copter, so clearly people are paying attention to what the cops assigned to directed patrol there are doing. Don't embarrass yourselves, and you really don't want to embarrass your new boss, because he doesn't suffer fools for long.
Can u believe some coopers are defending kirby and iad? Wtf
8 people dumped 017 tac team with zero box 1 arrests for 2012. Fasten your seat belts.
Someone please explain how it a coverup if he was arrested. Charging felonies is up to the state. If this was really a felony then every bar fight should get felony charges.
Yeah but Rahm has fired the "ethics" panel ans is replacing everyone. so there. ha!. Oh yeah and crime is down. Just keep saying it.
Just remember Cline got fired while Kirby stayed, hmmmm...
Is Ekl going to subpoena Cline?
Things could get beyond interesting!
Surprised that all these lies haven't piqued the Inspector General's interest.
Who regulates IAD's misconduct?
When does Kirby resign?
Amazingly, "media Garry" remains silent and out of sight.
Come to speak of it, so has Rahm.
The largest ever IAD Coverup Scandal on the CPD, the head of IAD caught dirty, lying and no explanation from the Superintendent or the Mayor?
Breaking the law, lying under oath, violating your sworn oath, violating the code of conduct and concealing a horrific crime is well beyond damage control.
This was green lighted by Cline himself.
How could these officers be this foolish?
The truth always surfaces in time, darkness always gives way to light! It may take years but it always happens.
No wonder the Feds took over the CPD!
Looks like a few PO's are getting paid when they introduce this into their civil cases against the department.
A little research shows a sustained and continued pattern of corruption at IAD.
Does anyone know the background of the Presiding Judge?
Will SOS surface again? It seems your hinting at something more SCC.
The Playboy article indicated that Deb Kirby was the beef fixer that killed all SOS CR#'s.
Whet there is smoke there is fire and I think an ember just burned my eye.
Corruption at the highest levels of the CPD.
What's new?
It sure looks like there is veracity to what Jerry Finigan has been saying.
This illustrates exactly what he said happens at IAD.
I want to hear JFeds take on this.
When will Channel 7 air his commentary?
Was Deb one of his personal advisors?
If this brings the corruption to light at IAD, Tony Abbate did one positive thing.
Does the International Relations position entail advising banana republics on how to coverup malfeasance?
You would think such a brilliant attorney would know the future ramifications of partaking in multiple, ongoing conspiracies, under the color of the law.
How did Weis miss Kirby in his purge?
Bad mistake, it wouldn't be as damaging if she was testifying as a civilian.
No other big city department would allow this disgrace to occur.
Perjury, official misconduct, conspiracy, ecetra.
Daley, Cline, scores of former exempts- All Gone!
Deb Kirby, mastermind or fall guy?
How did she remain?
Hollywood can't script this well.
Will the G revisit SOS and Jerry?
Me thinks this drama has very far reaching implications.
Dirty Debbie got herself caught in a wringer.
It's obvious that someone is lying and there are Rule 14 violations galore. Anyone who becomes aware of said has one hour to initiate a CR#.
If Sgt Stehlik were smart he would do so and protect himself.
The train usually stops at the lowest rank, after it has run you over.
Document, report and prepare. There is serious fallout coming, careers destroyed, more civil litigation and possible criminal charges.
I wish the Sgt well, it appears that he is Kirby's fall guy.
There was never any cover up this twit was just never the real police so she has no idea how to testify.
Yes, always politics in the CPD, they can never put them aside and just do whats right. Look to the ex-Mayors Office for the political manipulation in both the Abatte and S.O.S. Cases. The fish rots from the head down.
I've always found Kirby intelligent and fair, Stehlik, a little limited in his abilities.
A decent lawyer can get any two people to sound like they are lying and any three people to sound like they are conspiring.
A 'hungry' lawyer could make your mother and father sound like Russian spies. Any copper that has gone through these nonsense civil suits knows the game they are running.
I worked with the Sgt. years ago before he was a Sgt. He's not going to lie on the stand.
This case is a perfect example of why to get rid of felony review. If something goes wrong, the ASA's can just say the department never called them to upgrade and throw us under the bus.
SCC, you are asking all the right questions... And your right, there's a reason why IAD reports to the Supt.
Well said!
"Someone is Lying"
Really? No kidding? Around here saying "Someone is Lying" is like proclaiming the sun will rise tomorrow or giving out a speeding ticket at the Indy 500.
"Someone is Lying" now there is a news flash.
so, where does the truth lie (no pun intended)?
Shouldn't the Corp Council seen this coming, didn't they talk to their witnesses before they hit the stand? If they would have then the stories would have been better.
The city can argue this was not a cover up because they were looking at charging him with something...they just did not know whether to go after a felony or misdeamenor.
A cover up is if they tried to hide the fact that this incident happened, which they didn't.
When you watch the tape it is a misdeamenor, Kirby just should have said based on what she saw she believed it was not a felony.
And you see how the states attorneys office tried to distance themselves, A.S.A. Bilyk saying he never received a call even when both Kirby and Stehlik said they talked to him. NEVER TRUST THEM!!!
You have a offered a fairly good summation. The person who has the most reason to lie is Kirby, and lie she did. But what I find most hilarious is that they couldnt keep their lies straight. BWHAHAHAWAAAAA!
Word is that Kirby is headed out of the country to south America for a couple of weeks and wants nothing to do with the department while she is away. Probably looking for a retirement place where she will not be able to be touched by the U S.
Appeared to be a Misdemeanor Battery to me. Why Aggravatted?
Question of the Day...With unemployment so high in Illinois, how does an ex-police officer who was videotaped beating the sh*t out a little female that weighs 115lbs get hired at McCormack Place? I wonder who he put down on his application as a reference?
This whole thing smells. Something is rotten in Denmark
Mark my words Rahm will use this whole thing against us during negotiations.
Kirby and Radke should have gone down on the SOS scandal. Instead the City is quietly paying millions and casses dropped. What little team spirit between the Police and S.A. is fried for at least the next generaltion!The next phase will be when attorneys get people released from prison simply because they were sent there by SOS. Kirby has stayed around way past her expiration date. Hopefully she will leave with a huge punitive damage verdict around her neck.
Nothing good comes out of IAD.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
What is with this "Professional Development Bureau" headed by Debra Kirby? What is their defined mission?
Will the CPD seek CALEA accreditation? Any plans to hire and promote "the best and the brightest" rather than kill morale with "clout babies"?
Some police maintain that Kirby has been given a sinecure job just to keep her mouth shut about the skeletons buried away. Is she an officer of honor and integrity or just another money-grubbing well-connected psychopathic bully?
Has she ever worked the mean streets and made lots of felony arrests? If so, where?
Aside from the Abbate debacle, possible perjury and Rule 14 implications for separation, what gives? Has a C.R.# been issued vs. Ms. Kirby?
Amazingly, this story is not a media headliner!
Is Rahm going to take the heat for this?
How would IAB handle this one?
The entire upper echelon of the CPD was involved in covering up an ongoing criminal enterprise.
Sounds like a RICO case.
Where is the civic crusader Andy Shaw hiding?
The BGA should be all over this, they had the time and resources to shut Shaved down but can't focus on the largest police corruption case in the last 50+ plus years?
All it does is show how heavy the goof Abbate was. No more- no less.
OH PLEASE! Really? Someone is LYING?
Ya right!!!
Things I have learned in my 20 yrs on this job.
A) The CPD is legit
B) The City is legit and fair
C) Promotions are based on the best, brightest and most qualified to lead
D) The City, has promised to take care of you post-retirement
E) These facts are true and indisputable.
The 19th ward is keeping kirby in her spot.why doesn't kirby use her married name? Her husband works in the dept of cultural affairs.does anybody have his last name?
003 is sinking walk in station anytime and see how many girls have no weapons on. Intelligence has not been on target with any information jb walks around station telling policec officers how she is in charge when commander not there, she a lonely Po who has never made arrest . Please save the working police.
12:32 How can 8 people be on a tact team for almost a year and have no box 1 arrests?
If true, what does that say about the commander, tact Lt and Sgts.
Regardless of whether felony review approves or denies felony charges, it must always be documented in your report.
Officer (name) related the facts of the investigation to ASA (name) at Felony Review on (date) at (time). ASA (name) called Officer (name) and denied/approved felony charges on (date) at (time).
We always document the time we first call Felony Review, because we all know how long it takes them to figure out what to do and call you back with their decision. If you don't do that, you're an idiot.
Kirby just turned 50 years old this year. Appt Date: June 1986. She can retire today with a ton of our money. Always been 19th ward hack since academy days.
perjury conviction and she could lose pension
How come the bartender didn't get any injuries? She never got hit! A bee flew down Abade's shirt and he was just trying to get it out! He though he was dancing with her!
Man This shit's better than NYPD corruption.
Anonymous said...
The 19th ward is keeping kirby in her spot.why doesn't kirby use her married name? Her husband works in the dept of cultural affairs.does anybody have his last name?
11/01/2012 02:00:00 PM
She's not married. She's lived with a guy for years in Mt. Greenwood.
11/01/2012 11:12:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"Amazingly, this story is not a media headliner!"
kind of like....no big headlines, and thorough investigations, and forthright and honest statements from the US government about the murder of the US ambassador and three other Americans in Libya....to describe both situations: sad, politically corrupt, incompetence on steroids, insulting to the citizens, demeaning, arrogant, condescending, and, in the Libya case, disgraceful and shameful...
With the sole exception being Cuba, the United States has extradition treaties with all nations in the Western Hemisphere.
However, there are many countries in Africa and Asia which would provide Debra Kirby asylum.
This is made in response to the comment made about third district officers. You need to know that this is how people do police work in the third district. You are put in that district because you are lazy and want to get away with doing nothing or because you pisseed someone off. The officers will not get into any trouble because it's part of the third district culture. Captain Johnson allows this to happen.
Tom Bylik was either the head of felony review or one of the three deputies at the time. The video was brought to him by IAD dics and he viewed it. Bylik has always been a pimp, but he saw what everyone who viewed it saw: NO FELONY. He told the dics he did not see the basis for a felony because the punches didn't seem to land, she did not appear to have been hurt, she did not seek immediate medical attention, and suffered not serious injury or great bodily harm. When the shit hit the fan the state moved Bylik to juvenile court quickly. The IAD dics afterwards admitted to me they screwed up by not getting a formal rejection from felony review, but nobody at 35th street thought it was a felony either. Just to be sure they asked felony review for advice. Happens all the time.
The State's Attorneys always ask about the vicitms injuries. In the Abbate case there where none. I have witnessed the ASA refusing charges on a case where the victim was "Just shot in the leg" and also how many have told the felony requesting detective "Broken noses don't count as broken bones" Coppers included, till the "Mearaday" incident in 025 The bartender didn't even have a bloody nose or a black eye.
Steve Georges looks really hungry now. A star on his lappel will look really good on him.
Anonymous said...
Dirty Debbie got herself caught in a wringer.
11/01/2012 01:56:00 AM
Dirty Debbie! I love it. Male it happen, SCC
Is kirby losing her fucking job or not?is the attorney terry ekl going to want her charged with perjury or official misconduct?if she gets hit with official misconduct she loses both her job and pension.the law will not allow her to collect a pension.
Perjury??? Official Misconduct?? hahaha, do you have any clue how hard that is to even prove. The feds would laugh if someone said can you look at this for perjury. No, she wont be charged with anything. Her testimony is only at odds with another officer and does not make sense... which my friend is not perjury or anything close to it
back in the day (ancient history)....serious CPD cases of misconduct/corruption, the files (the entire files) used to go to CCSA Special Pros. (don't know what they call it now)....then wait (sometimes, a long time) for a decision as to whether they would take a case or not....they did this case on a phone call?....eh?....
Just remember Cline got fired while Kirby stayed, hmmmm...
Is Ekl going to subpoena Cline?
Things could get beyond interesting!
ummmmm, no. why would they subpoena cline? The trial is half over and there is no allegation from anyone in testimony that cline had a single thing to do with it. If Ekl was gonna talk to him he would have deposed him first. Obviously youve never been sued... prob, because youve never done a day of police work in your life except for what you tell the inlaws at the dinner table. go back into your hole and type your really funny things on the blog... handjob
Regardless of whether felony review approves or denies felony charges, it must always be documented in your report.
Officer (name) related the facts of the investigation to ASA (name) at Felony Review on (date) at (time). ASA (name) called Officer (name) and denied/approved felony charges on (date) at (time).
We always document the time we first call Felony Review, because we all know how long it takes them to figure out what to do and call you back with their decision. If you don't do that, you're an idiot.
wow... is that how you call felony review???? Man, you must be some kind of super hero. Thanks, im sure not a single copper here knows how to deal with or call felony review...sigh
Execution by decapitation--Gangnam Style!
And who was kirby's partner in area 2??
calloway, nice you low life
Why IAD does not do their job?
1. The powers to be control it.
2.If IAD wanted to be a functional unit-- tell me how?
a. How many of the IAD people know how to write a search warrant-- say for a bag a police officer has and will not open? count on one hand I bet.
b. How many IAD people know how to write a COH and how to run it through the system ( wire someone up)?
2. How many IAD people could write an order for a Pen Register? The numbers coming in and out of a phone.
3. How many IAD people would even attempt to write a Title III for a subject? Wire tap
4. How many of the IAD people would work nights and midnights on the wiretap?
End of story
Her significant other is Michael M. Mikuta, Purchasing Contract Administrator at City of Chicago Department of Cultural Affairs. His annual salary is $88,812.00.
So glad I am retired.
Anonymous said...
Steve Georges looks really hungry now. A star on his lappel will look really good on him.
11/01/2012 05:37:00 PM
#1, Steve Georges always looks hungry. He's a big kid;
#2, He already has a star (he's a deputy chief) and we don't wear them on our "lappel" (did you mean, LAPEL??) we wear them on our collars, and;
#3, Stay the fuck off our blog...
Anonymous said...
8 people dumped 017 tac team with zero box 1 arrests for 2012. Fasten your seat belts.
11/01/2012 12:32:00 AM
Who gives a shit? Why the hell would anyone want to be on a fucking tact team now anyway? Are you soft? Fuck this city and all the assholes running it. Do as little as possible to avoid being screwed. That's the name of the game. They got the police they wanted.
If you explain how to do something and advise others but then say "if your not doing this your an idiot, YOU are truly an idiot!
She's useless. Tipical 19th ward political appointee to every position within the police department. Expect alot of negative feed back on this from other female officer who worked under her. Useless...
Anonymous said...
Regardless of whether felony review approves or denies felony charges, it must always be documented in your report.
Officer (name) related the facts of the investigation to ASA (name) at Felony Review on (date) at (time). ASA (name) called Officer (name) and denied/approved felony charges on (date) at (time).
We always document the time we first call Felony Review, because we all know how long it takes them to figure out what to do and call you back with their decision. If you don't do that, you're an idiot.
wow... is that how you call felony review???? Man, you must be some kind of super hero. Thanks, im sure not a single copper here knows how to deal with or call felony review...sigh
11/01/2012 06:25:00 PM
I think this was a slap to Kirby and her IAD goofs. Obviously they didn't document their phone calls to Felony Review, which is why they are blubbering liars on trial right now. Nothing was documented.
Bad video bad drunk bad paper bad ASA bad IAD. Now this ass and this lawsuit will bring all of the money grabbing idiots out of the wood work.
Anonymous said...
Why IAD does not do their job?
1. The powers to be control it.
2.If IAD wanted to be a functional unit-- tell me how?
a. How many of the IAD people know how to write a search warrant-- say for a bag a police officer has and will not open? count on one hand I bet.
b. How many IAD people know how to write a COH and how to run it through the system ( wire someone up)?
2. How many IAD people could write an order for a Pen Register? The numbers coming in and out of a phone.
3. How many IAD people would even attempt to write a Title III for a subject? Wire tap
4. How many of the IAD people would work nights and midnights on the wiretap?
End of story
11/01/2012 08:55:00 PM
Did you just watch "Home Alone" again? You sound like the big brother. Here's why:
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Now put your drink down and go write a warrant or Title III, so we're all impressed that you got that class in your clout unit. I hope you put more attention to detail in that paper than you did in your comment.
If felony review was called and did in fact denied felony charges, they have to do paper on the call and should give you a rejection number. That information should be included in your narrative.
Thats why they lose the police board cases alot. They first sustaine cases that should not have been and have no documentation to support their alleged facts...Dump Kirby-chief my a..
Kirby and a zillion other coppers just got sued by Dan Herbert. He's Steve Georgas' pal. Coincidence?
Does anyone remember that IAD Sgt that reported all the corruption crap that was going on in IAD before retiring and everyone gave her a hard time on Second City? This seems like it was some of the things she was talking about. The clout, the ineptitude of the bosses, the selective investigative process. Maybe next time we'll think alittle longer before we jump on the bandwagon.
Kirby just turned 50 years old this year. Appt Date: June 1986. She can retire today with a ton of our money. Always been 19th ward hack since academy days.
11/01/2012 02:29:00 PM
Will not be age-eligible to leave until next month. Appointment date is correct.
I am the first one to goof on the north side police, but I can't believe that eight tact team members had no box 1 arrests for an entire year.
Even in 017.
Steve always looks hungry. He needs a gyro.
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