Illinois to Join the United States
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
- In a huge win for gun-rights groups, a federal appeals court in Chicago Tuesday tossed the state’s ban on carrying concealed weapons and gave Illinois’ Legislature 180 days to craft a law legalizing concealed carry.
“The debate is over. We won. And there will be a statewide carry law in 2013,” said Todd Vandermyde, a lobbyist for the National Rifle Association.
In a split opinion (see below), the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals reversed a lower court ruling in two cases downstate that upheld the state’s longstanding prohibition against carrying concealed weapons.
A long time coming:
- Channel 2 - A federal appeals court in Chicago has struck down Illinois’ ban on carrying concealed weapons.
The state now has six months to pass a law that would allow ordinary citizens to carry weapons.
- Channel 7 (Thieves) - In a big victory for gun rights advocates, a federal appeals court on Tuesday struck down a ban on carrying concealed weapons in Illinois - the only state where it had remained entirely illegal.
Channel 5 takes a different tack, wondering if Illinois politicians are going to continue wasting taxpayer money while fighting a number of losing actions:
- A federal appeals court decided to strike down Illinois' ban on carrying concealed weapons Tuesday, but Illinois leaders are deciding whether to continue the fight.
Maura Possley, a spokesperson for Attorney General Lisa Madigan, told NBC 5 that the court allowed 180 days before the decision will be returned to the lower court to be implemented, so Madigan's office and the legislature will take that time to consider what action to take.
How about instead of worrying about American citizens exercising their Rights to defend themselves, their loved ones and their property and start worrying about how to stop the bleeding from the public coffers?
Someone ought to make a little mark on the crime charts McCompStat has in his office. Because in about 6 months, he might finally see an actual drop in crime stats - the real stats, not the cooked up bullshit he's been feeding Rahm and the media for the past year plus.
Labels: gun issues
posted by SCC at 4:15 PM
123 Comments:
Well now our crooked politicians can use this as an excuse to make it ridiculously impossible and expensive with taxes and restrictions. It ain't over.
well i think that the crime in chicago will continue to stay the same. The reason being that downtown most people who are robbed are yuppies and hipsters and tourists. in the ghetto they will continue to shoot eachother and burglarize eachother.. but, for the rest of the state I think its awesome. Hopefully, a mob tries to rob the wrong person down on michigan ave and a few of them get tagged... that would be awesome. I still hate this state, but its a step in the right direction. hopefully the citizens of this state use this right and conceal carry for the right reasons.
Yeah, that's what you think.
Watch, it will be like new york where you have to bribe a politition and no reciprocity.
Take all the time you want Liver Lips. Your daddy says a CCW bill needs a supermajority. YOU DON'T HAVE IT. If you can't get a lenient bill passed (good luck). On the 181st day a FOID card is my carry permit. Serioyusly, the sky will not fall it didn't happen in Florida way back when, it didn't happen recently in Wisconsin and it won't happen here.
WoooooooHooooooooo!
Let's see what KoolAid Lisa dishes out now.
an armed society is a polite society. I'm guessing it's gonna take a couple apple pickers to meet their maker, but once the word gets out that there will be severe consequences for your actions, business will actually pick up downtown.
for once in democratic Illinois history, the savage will be held accountable for his actions.
I've been waiting like 32 years for the IL gun nazi's to lose their evil grip on the 2nd Amendment.
Like everywhere else.Concealed Carry led to reduction in Violent Crimes. Now Rahmie the Commie and Mcwhatever will claim it was their plan that saved lives.
i thought dems love the "level playing field"
It was a fairly strongly worded verdict. Will The Machine get the message?
I doubt it. Last year CCW failed by just a few votes. The state would have had a reasonable expectation to be able to regulate concealed carry rights. This path of absolute denial will leave them absolutely powerless when their next hastily drawn up law is overturned.
It is about time somebody spoke for what the tax paying citizens of this state really want.
Rahm's twirling his tutu into a tornado right about now!
Heh...
Daley Inc., The Combine and Rahm & Co. along with the ass-hoe media, are shitting between their boots.
Nothing like the possibility of armed, upright, pissed-off captive tax-payers taking back what is rightfully theirs at gun point.
Yeah... We said it...
The ONLY REASON things are the way they are in this city and state is that the criminal-political media cabal has sucessfully disarmed and co-opted the REAL OWNERS of this raggedy muthafuckah called Chicago and Illinois.
Why do you think they tried like the very Devil to insure the chronic non-contributors had political influence & access in excess to their actual contribution to society, AT OUR EXPENSE?
*Fuck those Coppers and their families... They don't support us anyway*
Kindly credit the above stinkin' thinkin' to more than one "elected official."
Funky bastards...
Chicago local media has co-signed on this too.
Hence the ongoing Civil War against The Police (and the captive middle-class taxpayers) by the criminal-political media cabal (Scum-Times, Daley Inc., Rahm & Co., Fibune etc) and their "useful idiot" supporters...
May the soon coming course of correction be one of maximum prejudice.
Interesting but why the 180 days?
If the high court has said it's legal what do they need a law for?
Enjoy this while it lasts. Hilary, more than likely our next president, has already been working with the UN to bypass this Constitutional Right.... What the fudge is wrong with these democrats???
Personally I am looking forward to the drop in crime numbers resulting from this correct interpretation of the Constitution. It will be a huge slap in the face to all the elected dummies who think they know whats best for us.
My name is Michael T. Sweig a proud supporter of the CPD and the CPMF. I believe in law and order. I also believe in the Second Amendment. In as much as I am blessed to have residences in other states, I have CCW permits in CA, NV, FL and UT. That means that I can legally carry a firearm to protect myself and my family in most states. And I do just that.
Guns don't kill people. People kill people. In Chicago, a law abiding trained civilian who is packing just might cut down on the senseless violence that plagues this city.
The liberals who oppose the right to bare arms are not getting this fact. That is, perhaps a thug might think twice before slashing someone's throat, as happened recently at the Westin, if that thug knew that a 45 ACP awaits them. God bless the police but law abiding citizens are finally getting a chance to fight back if necessary.
And to you dems who oppose common sense I welcome you to the USA before Chi is a lost city!
Finally, I will join the CPMF Op Santa this Sat and Sun so I can give back to Chicago's finest.
Happy holidays to one and all.
Now let's hope the powers that be will finally realize the futility of fighting against CCW in IL and submit to the inevitable conclusion.
But you never know what may happen next...there's a slight chance they'll appeal to the Supreme Court, which by the time they get it would have a chance for Obama to get another one or two justices appointed and wind up overturning the decision and therefore weakening the 2nd Amendment.
Think good thoughts!
About friggin time....I'm goin shopping now.
I honestly hope this makes your (the Chicago LEOS) jobs easier....
Not surprisingly, WMAQ-TV/Channel 5 News interviewed a grim-faced "Father" Pfleger predicting bloodshed. Perhaps Chuck will send him a nice floral arrangement and cheer him up, lol. http://chucksgunshop.net/
You can read the text of this 2-1 decision by the United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit below:
Click HERE.
This decision is also posted on THEE RANT. Click HERE.
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Union stuff in MI
If you are a Union fan or not, watch these vids. When the money runs out WE WILL BE Fighting these people. Get ready.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-12-11/meanwhile-lansing-michigan
Oh yes. This should be very very interesting. I guarantee that Illinois is dumb enough not to pass a law allowing concealed carry within the 180. Then it will be very interesting!!!!!! And chalkie will be working overtime.
Merry Christmas to us all...except the criminals!!!
"Twenty-first century Illinois has no hostile Indians. But a Chicagoan is a good deal more likely to be attacked on a sidewalk in a rough neighborhood than in his apartment on the 35th floor of the Park Tower. A woman who is being stalked or has obtained a protective order against a violent ex-husband is more vulnerable to being attacked while walking to or from her home than when inside. She has a stronger self-defense claim to be allowed to carry a gun in public than the resident of a fancy apartment building (complete with doorman) has a claim to sleep with a loaded gun under her mattress."
"In sum, the empirical literature on the effects of allowing the carriage of guns in public fails to establish a pragmatic defense of the Illinois law. . . . Anyway the Supreme Court made clear in Heller that it wasn’t going to make the right to bear arms depend on casualty counts. 554 U.S. at 636. If the mere possibility that allowing guns to be carried in public would increase the crime or death rates sufficed to justify a ban, Heller would have been decided the other way, for that possibility was as great in the District of Columbia as it is in Illinois."
"The right to “bear” as distinct from the right to “keep” arms is unlikely to refer to the home. To speak of “bearing” arms within one’s home would at all times have been an awkward usage. A right to bear arms thus implies a right to carry a loaded gun outside the home."
Judge Posner of the 7th Circuit.
'Reiterates Heller’s exceptions: “children, felons, illegal aliens, lunatics, and in sensitive places such as public schools.” Notes with approval that some states sensibly require that an applicant for a handgun permit establish his competence in handling firearms.'
All of the above quotes can be found here:
http://www.volokh.com/2012/12/11/moore-v-madigan-key-points/
All these a**hole politicians are worried about our city becoming the wild wes, it is! The west side and south side are out of control.
The people can arm themselves. UPS, peoples gas, com ed, plumbers, taxi drivers and any other person having to do business in the shit can finally protect themselves.
"The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good"
-- George Washington
Flash mobbers beware, the next person you put in fear of losing their life might be armed.
Questions, questions, questions shoulder holster or ankle holster? Hmmmm.
The timing on this couldn't be better. Bc get ready to defend yourself. There will be a huge influx of illegal immigrants moving to Illinois to get there legit drivers license. And with the housing crisis will be able to afford to licve right next door in the last semi safe neighborhoods left in 022, 008, 016, 17.
To all my stripped brothers and sisters you can arm yourselves again.
The Count Down Cliff:
and the countdown begins:
180
I will bet you that Lisa will spend all the money she can to fight this ruling.
Where we all know the Supream Court will up hold the ruling and the money flies out the window.
Im going to take a guess and say the two judges who voted for motion were republican appointed. Most appeal court judges are Bush 1, Bush 2 and Reagan appointees, thank God.
The horde is already armed, its time to arm the REAL citizens of our once great city...
Someone ought to make a little mark on the crime charts McCompStat has in his office. Because in about 6 months, he might finally see an actual drop in crime stats - the real stats, not the cooked up bullshit he's been feeding Rahm and the media for the past year plus.
...And when that happens you can bet the farm on McMoron and the evil Munchkin taking FULL credit for any and all decreases.
Yes you will be able to carry if you meet the most stringent criteria, annual training, testing and qualification. You will be able to carry after hundreds of dollars in fees to the State , County and City of Chicago.
Unlike most States all you need is a drivers license and background check to carry or get a permit.
In Illinois, you will need an FOID card, $10 dollars now, soon to be $250. Cook County soon to require registration $250. Chicago registration also to be raised to $250.
They knew that this day was coming and have been planning for it for years. This is going to be a BIG money grab for the State, County and City.
This does not include the cost of the REQUIRED individual annual training and qualification courses that be required for you to exercise your rights.
Does not end there folks. You will also be required to carry a HUGE insurance policy in the event you get sued for protecting your self with your gun.
How many times does an Illinois jury award large amounts of money to the CRIMINALS shot by Police in justified shooting? Well, it is almost every time. You too will be paying hundreds of thousands of dollars to the shithead that just tried to rob you if you shoot him.
The City of Chicago does not even have a plan in place to allow it's retired Police Officers to carry a weapon once they retire. This is a Federal law and the City just refuses to comply. Retired Officers have to go to the state and qualify if they want to carry! And yes it is all paid for out of their own pocket.
Do you actually think that the City is going to make it easy for Joe Citizen to carry???
So it will cost upwards of a $1000 a year just to carry! And god help you if you have to shoot some crackhead.
They will also try to limit just what you can carry. I have been told that the City wants it to be a six shot revolver .38 with a 4 inch BBL. Just like the armed Security Guards all had to carry until recently.
Do not start celebrating yet. If I were a betting man I would say that it will be at least 5 years before the first Chicago citizen is allowed to carry! And I only say this because, City Hall believes it does not have to follow any State or Federal laws!
AWESOME!
It ought to make these little weasal politicians squirm!
Totally OT, has anyone seen the Sups twitter handle @GarryMcCarthy1, it's halerious even if it isn't him, sounds like stuff he would say.
beautiful, awesome, TY GOD !!!
Illinois might have a concealed carry law in 180 days and it might not. I expect appeals and stall tactics by the state. And, if they put together a law that Quinn will sign ( so far he says he will never sign such a bill), look for so many restrictions put into place that it will be tied up in the courts for years. These liberal democrats do not go down easily when the money they spend is yours ! For many years our political class has, while denying you the right to bear arms, obtained phony badges from local police departments ( suburban park districts of two blocks that had 500 police officers and a city with 25 full time officers had over 500 part time youth officers) and the county sheriffs office with hundreds of weekend court deputies who only worked a few days every six months) and , in the case of Trotter, a no show job with a security agency. And, dont forget our alderman who carry badges and consider themselves keepers of the peace so they can carry weapons. And, of course the mayor, who travels around with an army of armed guards. Remember when Rosie O'Donnel blasted citizens carrying weapons? It turned out she traveled with two armed body guards. Hypocrites, all.
The party's over shitbirds. The morgue better hire some more people because the bodies are gonna be stacked up higher than a hippie in Denver.
Channel 5 News tonight did the typical - an interview with an ordinary citizen (African-American woman) saying we don't need more guns on the street, and an interview with an NRA spokesman as a counterpoint. NOWHERE was there any real reporting about how conceal-carry laws REDUCE crime and SCARE the shit out of criminals.
SCC, you are absolutely correct to predict that once a concealed-carry law is passed in Illinois, the homicide rate in Chicago will go down.
A famous Chicago citizen said something to the effect, last year at St. Sabina Church, "The NRA doesn't like me, and I'm OK with that."
Interesting...that citizen spewed hatred for the NRA, the very organization that was triumphant in the courts, ORDERING the Communistic, People's Republic of Illinois to pass a law allowing ordinary citizens to protect themselves on the street, the very same right that the Founding Fathers intended when the Second Amendment was written.
The irony is that this famous citizen will take the credit when the homicide rate in Chicago declines next year, even though he is 100% against conceal-carry laws. Go figure...
Finally, There is a reason to support NRA and ISRA.
madigan's office spokesperson is waaaaayyyyyy off.
The INJUNCTION is stayed for 2180 to allow the legislature time to implement a new law. At the end of the 180 days, the Unlawfukl Use of Weapon Statgue is ruled uncomnstitutional and anybody in Illinois with an FOID can carry any way they want and carry anything they want. And five decades of unconstitutionally convicted citizens will suddenly earn the right to sue the crapola out of Illinois, you know, we the taxpayers.
Who would think Lisa Madigan's office would get this wrong?
and, oh yeah, if she decides to take it the Supreme court and loses there? Then States like NY, NJ, MA, CA and Hawaii will suddenly be "shall issue" states also.
My hats off to Todd Vandermyde, the NRA and the SAF.
The ISRA already expects legislative shenanigans from Springfield.
http://www.heraldonline.com/2012/12/11/4478069/isra-warns-illinois-lawmakers.html
So glad to hear this - though I imagine the Brady Campaign is going to be in front of the TV cameras again soon, to protest and to predict blood running in the streets. (Like it isn't already.)
Seriously, though - how much of an effect do you think it will have on the city crime rate, overall? Because from what I read here, most of the shootings are among people who don't have FOIDs or firearms permits anyway, and have no intention of getting them, and don't exactly go through legal channels to buy their weapons.
Personally, I got my city permit some months ago, though I haven't actually tried to buy a handgun yet. Hope to be doing so before long, though.
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Justifiable homicide baby!! Get used to seeing that heading on case reports!
From a troll: Are you kidding me? Do you think the corrupt thugs that run this city and state will obey some court order? They will try every legal and illegal way to parse the ruling and flat out disobey it. Lisa Madigan is not going to accept this and you will see all kinds of attempts to circumvent the ruling, to avert it, to minimize it and minions of crooked politicans who permeate this state from Lake County to Saline County will write a flurry of laws designed to dodge the will of the court. Come on already.
O.T. and this just in.
At 9:06 p.m. watching Fox news reporting on robberies on the lakefront bike path at 43'rd street. Suspects described as two "teens".
Be on the lookout for any gender or race between the ages of 13-19.
That is all.
Finally, " I hate Illinois nazi's".
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Mayors Job Creation vs Latest Food Stamp Caseload Data
The latest food stamp (SNAP program) caseload data came out Dec 7.
As a nation we are at 47.7 million people on the program.
http://www.fns.usda.gov/pd/29SNAPcurrPP.htm
Illinois caseloads were up about another 16,000!!
Numbers are up by 8% in Illinois on a year vs last year comparison.
Tell us again about how Chicago and the state of Illinois are leading surrounding state in job creation hahaha.. Then have the corporate controlled media and political apparatus answer the question: "what kind of jobs are we creating if there are any being created at all?"
There are now 1,973,243 people in Illinois on food stamps as of the latest report. If you compare that to Chicago's population of about 2.7 million people it's like we have 66% of the city on food stamps.
Of course that's just an illustration. Some will argue that the report is for the entire state with a population of around 13 million which is true. But I'm just sayin'. 1,973,243 people, look around you today. That's like two out of every three people you see in Chicago.
Half of them ARE working in WalMart-like jobs, the working poor. Some are students, some are children, some are retired seniors and some are just plain deadbeats working the system like a Chicago or Illinois clouted politician or one of their crony's.
just watch the lil racoon in the tu-tu try to come up with something to make it all but impossible to carry.
He's evil, and would give linda lovelace a run for her money.
Anti-Gun Democrat politicians are like Vampires. Don't expect to kill them off with ease. Our crooked politicians will try to make it very very difficult for anyone in Crook County to carry a concealed weapon.
I read this on the drudge report about noon I was so excited I texted everyone I knew and called the rest..I only hope IL saves some of the tax dollars we don't have and just do as they are told..
A glorious day for all residents of Illinois, especially the shitbirds, surprise motherfucker look what I got in your gut, my gun. My only question is how is Rahm going to put his dick into this? I bet he plans on paying for Maggie's fucking park with a grand a month registration fee so you can walk the streets and feel like you may have an even chance against a shit head.
About time, CPD can't do it all, but now we can do for ourselves. hopefully those of us in the city too!
First put on a star and a gun in '79. Wasn't a fan of concealed carry. A little tricky for the Police. 'Course then a Chiacgo Police Officer could walk down the street, people smiled. Cretins cringed. Different, now. If we're going to be this short (of Police), could use some help from the taxpayers carrying guns. Maybe we can get the city back.
What's left of it ...
ABCD
ABCD(Ret)
Let's see how water-downed Chicago's "city ordinance" will be on this law. It will probably be the same as it has been. The savage always carrying and the ordinary citizen being discouraged. I predict Chicago to pull some BS fees out of this, probably $1000 and some ridiculous class as well.
U would think tiny dancer & Q-ball would. see the light and go with the flow
not these geniuses anything to upset
the applecart we all know how vindictive rahm can be
look at teacher's strike
Time &time again the nra has screwed him royally and he hates it
If it passes watch a real. "Decrease in The Increase.
180 days!
Just in time for the traditional kickoff of "Summer Wilding Season" on the lakefront in May!
Someone may fight back this year.
Oh baby, this one is far from over. I'm not a LEO, just a lawyer but here's my two cents:
Will the Illinois legislature implement the law, as required by today's decision? Yes, but the devil is in the details. Restrictions on "who" (felons, mental patients) and "where" (schools, churches, courthouses, taverns) are just the beginning. Expect more wrangling and delays than we are currently seeing in the whole Fiscal Cliff debacle.
Will Lisa Madigan appeal to the US Supreme Court? You can count on it. She is a gun-hater, as is her father, Governor Potato-head, and President O-BLAME-A. No real downside if she does appeal, and besides what lawyer would not want to argue a case - any kind of case - before the US Sup Ct.
Will the US Sup Court hear the case? A bigger question. An appeal to the Fed Appellate Court level (such as today's decision) is a matter of right. An appeal to US Sup Court is at the Sup Ct's discretion. Statistically, I think something like less that 1 in 4 cases are accepted by the Supremes. But what about this case? Oh, I'd say a greater than average chance, so that the Supremes themselves can put their own impression on things.
And where the heck are we while all of this is shaking out? From a legal standpoint, I would not start packing until Springfield passes their law. From a practical standpoint, "better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6".
Stay tuned. It's gonna be a wild ride.
This decision was authored by Judge Richard A. Posner. The written opinions of 7th Circuit Judge Posner are those of the foremost legal scholar in the judiciary and are cited in more decisions than any other judge in the published opinions of SCOTUS. Formerly the Chief Judge of the Seventh Circuit, he may well be the most respected federal jurist in the nation.
This man should have been nominated to serve on SCOTUS a long time ago. While he is a legal genius, his down-to-earth opinions are easily understood by both attorneys and laymen alike.
Judge Posner may well be the most prolific author among the entire judiciary.
Finally. I am so glad for this.
Now let's get that bullshit residency requirement lifted!!!
just think of the millions wasted on fighting not to get to this point!
Anonymous said...
i thought dems love the "level playing field"
12/11/2012 04:47:00 PM
Only when they got a phone call as a tie breaker.
The anti-gun crowd like Bob Costas say concealed carry will cause shootings if someone's shoe gets stepped on in a line.
That is such brainwashing.
If it were true, every time it happened, NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, CNN, the Tribune, Sun-Times and Rahm would be screaming to high heaven about it, 24/7.
The fact is it doesn't happen except to the extent of nut-jobs being nut-jobs in society.
Every other state in the union has some form of concealed carry.
Chicago has the highest murder rate with a huge number of unsolved killings and shootings.
Police are underfunded and are tens of minutes away when seconds matter.
Citizens have a constitional right to protect themselves.
Concealed carry saves lives & reduces crime.
Bob Costas admitted on national television citizens should resist aggression on there knees, stating if he were in the Colorado theater Batman attack, he,d be on the ground groveling and tha concealed carry should be illegal.
It's Costas, right to fight on his knees if he choses. But, that does not give him or his ilk the right to keep me from having the tools that can make the difference between me having a chance against an agressor more powerful or equiped with deadly force.
If all the people on the plane that went down in Shanksville, PA on 09/11/01 were wired like Bob Costas, that plane would have hit it's target.
-not a cop
Its everyone for them selves. The people better wake up and realize government can't protect them.
:)
just think of the millions wasted on fighting not to get to this point!
12/11/2012 10:46:00 PM
Madigan(s) should be on the hook for all the money, anyone reading the Heller or McDonald decision with a neutrally knew it was going to happen.
Think "Q-Ship". The surprised look on some hardened street thugs face when Joe Suburb says no you cant have my wallet and rape my wife, it'll be priceless.
fuck you rahm and fuck you daley.you assholes.
just watch the lil racoon in the tu-tu try to come up with something to make it all but impossible to carry.
He's evil, and would give linda lovelace a run for her money.
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Gun sensing cameras!! If you are carrying anwhere within blocks of schools, parks, public blds you will be fined big bucks. The guns will have to have chips in them to track down the owner. After 3 violations your rights will be revoked.
Chips made by Vaneko & Co of course.
I was at NON-POLICE company Christmas party tonight.
Normal hardworking people, the kind that earn and pay taxes and take their kids to school and care for their elderly and most probably attend church of some kind.
Well someone, not me, raise a toast to the Federal Court for striking down that law especially because the Chicago Police Department has been decimated. There were some clinks of glasses and overall agreement.
I followed the toast with, "I'll see you on the range."
Anonymous said...
just think of the millions wasted on fighting not to get to this point!
12/11/2012 10:46:00 PM
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BINGO! Absolutely.
Preckwinkle's "violence tax" might actually make some money now.
A tax on ammunition is likely her next move.
"it will be like new york where you have to bribe a politition and no reciprocity."
We already bribe Illinois politicians on a regular basis. No change there!
rb
Will the state require the illegals to get a CC permit along with their new DL?
"The people can arm themselves. UPS, peoples gas, com ed, plumbers, taxi drivers and any other person having to do business in the shit can finally protect themselves."
Unfortunately, company policies will prohibit many people from CCW.
rb
'Reiterates Heller’s exceptions: “children, felons, illegal aliens, lunatics, and in sensitive places such as public schools.” Notes with approval that some states sensibly require that an applicant for a handgun permit establish his competence in handling firearms.'
All of the above quotes can be found here:
http://www.volokh.com/2012/12/11/moore-v-madigan-key-points/
12/11/2012 06:47:00 PM
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Illegal immigrants too? Yeah but when the politicians realize that the State has over a quarter of a million of them running around, won't it be just like the drivers licenses that we are about to award? There's a chunk of change in there for the politicians to collect fees from. The money. It's the money.
If my math is right, June 9th or 10th will be the magic date (depending on if today counts as one of the 180 days or not). Just in time for the summer crime wave when school gets out...can't wait for the first pookie to try a robbery and is met by an armed citizen.
Just in time for Senator TrotteRs UUW to get tossed.
>>> A famous Chicago citizen said something to the effect, last year at St. Sabina Church, "The NRA doesn't like me, and I'm OK with that." <<<
IF, A famous Chicago citizen said something to the effect, last year at St. Sabina Church, "The NRA doesn't like me, and I'm OK with that." <<<
IF, whom you are referring to is who I am thinking of by that statement, that was NOT AND IS NOT A CHICAGO CITIZEN!.
That is a carpetbagger hatchet-man from the east who could have lost his gun totting privileges for an alcohol laced episode of target practice with a street light.
And speaking of carrying a gun. That Southside politician, State Senator Donne Trotter running for J.J.Jr.'s seat who got lock-up for trying to board a plane last week with a gun in his bag is another anti-gun Democrat. He voted for giving illegals drivers licenses and consistently against Concealed Carry. He is supposed to have claimed that he works as a SECURITY GUARD and that is why he had the gun. Come On! A State Senator has to be making six figures and a lot of fringe. I doubt he is moonlighting as a Mall Cop.
Chicago will simply copy the New York City CCW requirements so that almost no one can carry. 6 million people in NYC, less than a thousand permits. $400 to apply for one. Your app is "reviewed" and a permit is only issued if you are deemed worth or in need of protection, like Stern, Imus, Trump, or a politico.
I hate thinking that this is what will happen in Chicago, but similar restrictions exist in Boston, San Fran, and many other cities. Let's hope that the NRA and others are equally able to fight these unreasonable restrictions on our 2nd amendment rights.
Two things I’d like to share on this….
One is that it’s about time, the liberals can only rant and rave about all the dangers on “hand guns”, but these are the same asshole that have taped the system, redirecting money and draining the funds that keep the average person safe…. So enjoy your walmarted public safety liberals, Those who have been burdened and shouldered the brunt of those who don’t, you will soon be able to protect your families.
Second is that when these idiots totally destroy and screw over the hard working folks and the hard working folks are finally fed up and ready to grab their torches and pitchforks, just remember one thing, we are also fed up, tired of the bullshit, we are still going to follow our oath.
First put on a star and a gun in '79. Wasn't a fan of concealed carry. A little tricky for the Police.
ABCD
ABCD(Ret).............
First off, thank you for your service. I hope you are enjoying retirement by now. Second, there have been 49 other states who can be seen as the "experiment" in CCW and Illinois can use their history in crafting the laws necessary. All of those states have police and have been able to establish laws and procedure to deal with lawfull CCW holders. I am CPD and like many today support concealed carry for LAWFULL, LEGAL citizens. With the criminal as eboldened and brazen as he is, the average citizen needs to be able to have the leagal means to protect his life. It's not just a snatch and grab anymore. It's three to six thugs sucker punching the person to the ground and then stomping on them BEFORE taking their valuables. Dems always talk about "leveling the playing field", well here you go. They just leveled the Apple picking field.
Ritchie Daley was spotted watching the news and pacing and mumbling!!
I wonder how much in legal fees the state will have to pay the ISRA and NRA.....
Forget residency... Most can't sell their homes and if you can... You will not make anything.
I've been a NYC police officer for three years now and A gunsmith for over eight. I can tell you right now living in NYC all the politicians are going to do is created a complicated weapons permit system that will make is difficult to get a pistol permit. The court ruling says they have to allow CCW but they don't say how. Not to mention they could just ban certain types of guns or place taxes on guns and ammunition to make it more difficult. They could even ban types of guns. For example here in NYC it is illegal to have certain types of rifles. Don't think for a second the fight is over brothers its just beginning and lets not forget the supreme court....
Howdy
As a Life member of ISRA & NRA and a continuing fighter for CCW laws, we have very well equipped people in Springfield, who will make a bill that every law-abiding citizen will enjoy the fact we will carry. These people have been in the fight, for a while now.
Please take a vacation day and join us for the celebration known as IGOLD in Springfield March 6. Last year we had over 6000 gun owners there and no one was killed.
Time to talk to Senators & Representative to get on board with us.
From a troll: Barbara Flynn Curry just said that we may have to pass a bill but it will have severe restrictions on who can carry and where....So there you go, "we MAY have too". This hack has just announced that there will be tacit non-compliance with the court at best because now we may have to pass a bill. I wouldn't celebrate just yet folks. Any bill that we "may have to pass" will probably be the source of a lot of future litigation costing us taxpayers millions. Barbara, you are what we call a fucking Illinois politician aren't you. (No question mark necessary)
I love it. I love to see our liberals squirm.
There are far too many people in this city that can't even keep a valid driver's license or insurance or take care of their kids, but could soon be responsible enough to own, handle, and maintain a firearm? Yeah ok. Convicted felons will be denied, yes, but these idiots still live on and off with baby mama, granny, auntie who may actually qualify to carry. This means easier access to firearms, which means our jobs just get more dangerous. How about stricter penalties for UUW offenses, lets start there. Not a popular opinion I know, but introducing more firearms into this city might not be such a good idea.
First put on a star and a gun in '79. Wasn't a fan of concealed carry. A little tricky for the Police. 'Course then a Chiacgo Police Officer could walk down the street, people smiled. Cretins cringed. Different, now. If we're going to be this short (of Police), could use some help from the taxpayers carrying guns. Maybe we can get the city back.
What's left of it ...
ABCD
ABCD(Ret)
12/11/2012 09:30:00 PM
You weren't a fan of concealed carry because you're anti-Constitution and most likely a supporter of the Machine, a socialist organization. You probably weren't a supporter of free speech or any of the other God given rights in the Bill of Rights either.
Our generation joined the Oath Keepers after serving in combat overseas. Your generation is that of Daley and the rest of the liberal scum that caused this mess.
A lot of nervous savages. Apple Picker? Meet my 40 cal bitch.
I can just imagine how much a CCW permit will cost.
NorthSide said...
This decision is also posted on THEE RANT. Click HERE.
12/11/2012 06:13:00 PM
Can you stop with the shameless promotion of "thee rant".
We don't care hero.
We come to SCC becasue we are Second City Cops, not Batafuco's from the east coast.
Carry on...
Based on a conflict between this 7th Circuit decision with a November 27, 2012 decision by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit (New York), I predict that Illinois Democrats will file for a writ of certiorari on appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court.
In the alternative and not unlike New York City, Illinois will craft a draconian law within the 180 day period which will make it extremely difficult for responsible, law-abiding citizens to carry concealed outside the home (unless they are covered by HR 218 or have CLOUT, "Chicago-style"). Yet the shameless hypocritical politicians all carry concealed and/or have bodyguards.
See 11-3642: KACHALSKY, et al. v. COUNTY OF WESTCHESTER, et al. (2nd Circuit)
I am NOT an attorney.
Anonymous said...
Questions, questions, questions shoulder holster or ankle holster? Hmmmm.
12/11/2012 06:51:00 PM
Unless you spend all day at a desk or in a car, I don't favor either method. I do use a shoulder holster occasionally when driving long distances or for a backup gun.
There's nothing wrong with a good LEATHER inside-the-waistband or outside-the-waistband holster, e.g. DeSantis Cozy Partner or Sof-Tuck (Your shirt can tuck-in over this one!), Don Hume J.I.T, or any number of pancake holsters (with or without thumbbreak). Off duty I generally carry a 3 inch S&W Model 13 in an old Bucheimer "Concealer" strong-side with a S&W Model 37 Chiefs Special Airweight in a Tex Shoemaker pancake holster. (Yes, I'm a revolver dinosaur.) The most important things are that your holster FITS your gun(s) and that you PRACTICE accessing them so it becomes automatic.
Good luck! Maybe open carry is next on the Illinois horizon; we just got it here in Oklahoma.
ECS
Does anyone have any info on the latest muggings on the lake path at 43rd St? Were there only 2 attacks?
I saw these black kids last week. I called the phone # in the article and no one answers. Thanks.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/50173951/ns/local_news-chicago_il/
The NRA offers free memberships to military , law enforcement and first responders. SCC you should make this link one of your posts or attach it to the one you put up today encouraging people to join. https://signup.nralifeofduty.tv/Signup.aspx
I read the news articles very carefully.
Why was there no mention of this city and state(Chicago, State of Illinois), with the highest murder rate, the only holdout aside from the D.ofC ?
All of the news blurbs showed maps shading Illinois and D.of C in regard to being non compliants but the texted asides all failed to mention our highest crimes with handguns as a relevant factor.
Specifically homicides.
It seems to me that this is relevant to the argument that handgun restrictions have failed badly and the State of Illinois and the City of Chicago are obvious proof of this poor past legislation effort to disarm the city residents and their ability to protect themselves.
Now lets see if the gun crimes drop.
Not quite. FELON-ois is still the Capitol of the Communist Party's Peoples Republic of Socialist States.
What happens to anyone who has previously been convicted under the law that has been declared unconstitutional?
Do they get their records wiped clean?
Do they get some of our tax $$$?
It is too bad CeaseFire aren't eligable for Concealed Carry (Convicted Felons) We could just give them more millions and let them beez the police.
I just sent the NRA another 30 Bucks!
AWESOME!
Da Pelon
It is a good day!
Anonymous said...
There are far too many people in this city that can't even keep a valid driver's license or insurance or take care of their kids, but could soon be responsible enough to own, handle, and maintain a firearm? Yeah ok. Convicted felons will be denied, yes, but these idiots still live on and off with baby mama, granny, auntie who may actually qualify to carry. This means easier access to firearms, which means our jobs just get more dangerous. How about stricter penalties for UUW offenses, lets start there. Not a popular opinion I know, but introducing more firearms into this city might not be such a good idea.
12/12/2012 07:46:00 AM
Your opinion is not only un-popular its un-Constitutional.
Anonymous said...
There are far too many people in this city that can't even keep a valid driver's license or insurance or take care of their kids, but could soon be responsible enough to own, handle, and maintain a firearm? Yeah ok. Convicted felons will be denied, yes, but these idiots still live on and off with baby mama, granny, auntie who may actually qualify to carry. This means easier access to firearms, which means our jobs just get more dangerous. How about stricter penalties for UUW offenses, lets start there. Not a popular opinion I know, but introducing more firearms into this city might not be such a good idea.
12/12/2012 07:46:00 AM
But its OK that you have a gun. Because your special.
start now !
Compile a list of gunshot victims in Chicago.
Pols, movie stars, alderscum, mayors... I think not !In Chicago, by fact accountability you shall see the average citizen are the only ons in need of a CCW law.
The facts shall speak for themselves. Keep track.
onymous said...
What happens to anyone who has previously been convicted under the law that has been declared unconstitutional?
Do they get their records wiped clean?
Do they get some of our tax $$$?
12/12/2012 12:22:00 PM
They should their rights were violated. Just like a police officer who is wrongfully fired should be made whole again. Rights are a two way street.
Dying to see Rahmadigan explain to the good people of Chicago / cook county that the murder rate will not go down because all the shitheads already have guns and will continue to kill each other.
@ 12/12/2012 08:51:00 AM...
And who are YOU to tell anyone anything?
A REAL Second City Cop has respect for those who walked the Patrolman's path before him.
If you had that big a beef, you could've e-mailed NorthSide and asked him why he linked to "Thee Rant".
Your zeal to shit-talk an elder, over linking to our comrade site in NYC reveals you to be a wet-eyed punk.
The Coppers at k(N)ock (Y)our (P)unk-Ass (D)own don't care for shit-talkers either...
You're flat out wrong so STFU... You might accidentally learn something in time.
Nothing happens to them. At best they get the charges nullied, but they are not entitled any other retribution, they 'knowingly' violated the law of the time. Thats why I didn't charge every dick and harry with a uuw, when i found a gun, it's called discretion.
No different than if they were to legalize drugs.
You weren't a fan of concealed carry because you're anti-Constitution and most likely a supporter of the Machine, a socialist organization. You probably weren't a supporter of free speech or any of the other God given rights in the Bill of Rights either.
Our generation joined the Oath Keepers after serving in combat overseas. Your generation is that of Daley and the rest of the liberal scum that caused this mess.
12/11/2012 09:30:00 PM Could we learn to deal with other peoples political views without bashing. Besides it's getting really annoying when this and other internet blogs on the left and right turn into the school playground or turn into a place to settle scores.
Re: Can you stop with the shameless promotion of "thee rant".
We don't care hero.
We come to SCC becasue we are Second City Cops, not Batafuco's from the east coast.
Carry on...
12/12/2012 08:51:00 AM
GTFO you hemorrhoid troll.
Our Blue Family of brothers and sisters isn’t citywide,
it’s nationwide.
To 12-12 9:19PM....
To express one's opinion about another's political views is NOT called bashing, it's called a right to one's opinion.
12/11/2012 09:30:00 PM Could we learn to deal with other peoples political views without bashing. Besides it's getting really annoying when this and other internet blogs on the left and right turn into the school playground or turn into a place to settle scores.
12/12/2012 09:19:00 PM
When other people's views are anti-Constitution, or anti-American, they should be bashed. Being that bad ass 1970's cop who supported an unconstitutional ban on guns but walked around with a gun himself because his communist politician masters told him it was OK to deny Americans their rights is deserving of ridicule.
Now go fetch your shine box, you sissy apologist for the machine.
Hillary is an old hag and will be an older hag by next election . If she thinks she can override the US Constitution using the useless UN she will light a fuse that might make the civil war look like a paint ball game.NO UN charter is going to mean shit in this country. Get it through your head and go fly your broom , you may still be in jail for your handling of Benghazi by next election.
The flash mob might indeed be just that ,if they push their luck there may be many flashes, one can only hope.
BTW, unless it is banned in your home rule unit, law abiding citizens will be able to possess short barreled rifles after Jan 1. They will need to get the $200 tax stamp first and a C&R license.
12/12 at 8:51 AM
Hey, dumbf-ck!
Looks like "Northside" is linking to THEE RANT again. Check "Out of Touch? Whoops!" thread above. You might actually learn something, moron. I agree with BCP. STFU! Who are "we" in your post?
P.S. What's a "batafuco"?
9:36 AM
Re: "Batafuco" (sic)
The idiot was probably referring to Joseph Buttafuoco who was banging Amy Fisher, "The Long Island Lolita", about 20 years ago. She shot Buttafuoco's wife in the face and went to prison.
The anonymous poster has to be a total asshole for slamming our NYPD brothers. I doubt that the stupid douchebag is CPD.
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