Denver Boot Extortion
- A bill introduced by an Illinois state senator could dramatically increase the amount of cars booted throughout the state.
Chicago Democrat Sen. Ira Silverstein is behind the Vehicle Immobolization bill (SB36) allows cities to place a Denver boot on a vehicle if the owner lost a civil court judgment against a city entity and hasn't paid up. The bill gives the judgment debtor an opportunity to appear and contest the immobilization before the boot is applied.
If the car is booted, the owner has 24 hours to pay the judgment, or the car would be towed and impounded, and sold after 21 days to cover the costs.
In some cases, we're sure seizing the assets of a deadbeat make sense. But denying them the use of a vehicle they might use to actually earn the money to pay their bill seems counterproductive. Maybe we ought to bring back debtors prisons and the like instead.
And what about when the city doesn't pay its bills? Turnabout would seem to be fair play - and the city is notorious for not paying their bills in anything that closely resembles a timely manner.
And what about when the city doesn't pay its bills? Turnabout would seem to be fair play - and the city is notorious for not paying their bills in anything that closely resembles a timely manner.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
51 Comments:
Whatever happened to 'due process'? This is becoming ridiculous.
More ridiculous than before.
Like their IOD bills, does it really take over a year to pay the bill?
So, if you don't pay your water bill, can your house be seized without a hearing?
How about if you don't pay your parking meter fee, they can take your lawnmower?
Yes, yes! If you fail to pay your dog license fee, the City can confiscate your eyeglasses!
Makes sense, right, Rahm? You arrogant, power-mad, fuehrer.
If the city doesn't pay it's pension bills tow their cars and sell them for the money owed. Sounds like a plan. Start at the top and work your way down to the 50 deadbeat aldermen.
Nothing matters but the security of the STATE! You have no property rights but those given to you by our Glorious Leader! You will not do business unless you are a Party member!
All hail Rahm!
Hey Chicago. Are you tired of living in a third world dictatorship yet? Does the government have to come and seize all of your property, disarm you and force you to work for months per year to pay their taxes and fees?
Oh, wait. They already are doing that. And you voted for it.
Maybe we should put a boot on Ira's car since he's a rep for the state of Illinois, and they haven't paid their bills in ages. Hey Ira, you and your tribesman Bloomberg can both go fuck yourselves.
Signed,
Anonymous Blog Poster
did you say democrat? hahaha
and yet what enforcement action can be taken against politicians who leave our pensions illegally underfunded?
I'd be thrilled to see a proposal to deal with that
Ask any school district in the state how well the State itself pays it's bills!
What did they used to do to horse thieves ?
Now the Brits are eating them?
When the Tollway can essentially fine you $100 + and then suspend your license for a missed toll (it would take more than one but it's the principle) for roads that were supposed to be paid off 40 years ago, what's to stop them in this corrupt State?
This seems to be very wrong. But if it passes it should pass for all and the FLOP should begin booting all city vehicles due to Shitcago not paying into our pension as required by law.
LUV It!!1 Boots all along the South Side
Wait do they own cars?
So just pay your bills to avoid the boot.
That will make it interesting for finance companies (you know, the guys who actually hold the TITLE to your shiny new car until it's paid off?)
And talk about Ask for the Carfax? "Sorry sir, I know you paid $10K for this car at auction but there's a $30K lein on it from Ford Motor financing..."
This is the same government that routinely (at least these days) releases the wrong prisoners from custody or allows them to escape, can't compile crime statistics that are useful to anyone but them, and has such shady credit that they're 6 months behind on utility bills?
Maybe the state's vendors should start booting exempt's cars and sell those at auction, for some it's the only way they'll ever get paid.
Blatant disregard for obligation and expectation of entitlement, Perpetual Deadbeats your day is coming.
When will they start putting a brick on the LINK cards until city/state indebtedness is corrected?
The day is coming when some people will say, "enough" and respond with violence. Hopefully, by that time the citizens will be disarmed.
include state and local deadbeat pension funding too!
Anonymous said...
What did they used to do to horse thieves ?
Now the Brits are eating them?
2/27/2013 04:30:00 AM
Watch out, IKEA is recalling the horse meat meatballs they serve in their stores!!! You'll be chomping at the bit to buy something after eating them,,,
Just so everyone is now aware. I work in the 008th dist. I got a red light ticket in November. I never received a notice in the mail about my ticket so I never paid the fine which now doubled. Typical. But now the change. I got a notice by the watch commander stating I owe money to the city and I have 30 days to pay or get a cr number still same policy but I also got a spar and a day of suspension with it. Seems now even if you have no knowledge of debt to city they don't care. If you get a red light ticket or speed ticket for now on you must pay even if you never get notified. I don't know how that is. But 30 cops in 8 all taking a day for having debt to city even without getting notified first I called fop they said you can't fight a spar. I said I had no knowledge of any ticket they said its a spar take your day wtf. City gonna make a lot of money this way watch. Speeding tix coming out if you don't get it in mail you will get fine doubled and a day without pay on FIRST notification.
The city takes years to pay a debt and then decides it will only pay half of what is owed. So what recourse does the citizen have? You can sue if you want to but that is a costly process and generally not worth it and the city knows this.
This law would get struck down by the courts quickly. Bankruptcy law allows you to keep a car despite extreme debts, as the law reasons that a car might be needed to get to work and climb out of debt. While bankruptcy laws do not apply to governmental entities, the right to own and operate your car in order to get to work likely will still apply.
Under the Democrats, can debtors prison be far away?
Time for the unwashed bodies to storm City Hall and demand redress. Set-up
the Guillotine in Daley Plaza.
If you get your car Towed by the City in Downtown Chicago,They will not release the car to you if its not registered in your name,You must bring a power of Attorney from the owner stating they allowed you to drive the car,The reason for this is to delay you from getting the car back and hitting you for additional storage fees.I tried to help a citizen get there car back and met the biggest assholes t met in my life.
It's getting to be a losing position for the working man. Time to stock up on ammo, buy an extra weapon and wait for someone to step up and start a revolution. Aim small-miss small.
So when are they going to boot Robbins and Harvey and Maywood and the other "failed state" municipalities that owe millions to Chicago in unpaid water bills?
Ira you're a sniveling toad.
Anonymous said...
What did they used to do to horse thieves ?
Now the Brits are eating them?
2/27/2013 04:30:00 AM
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The Brits are eating horse thieves? Yuck.
Good its about time these deadbeats pay up. We get sparred if we dont pay.
What the fuck is next, putting liens on your home and bank accounts.
Perhaps, Ira is considering retirement and wants to be remembered for something.
They just might put a lien on your house. Several careers back I worked for a national mortgage (sub-prime) lending company. One of our customers in NYC was trying to re-fi her house and had a "sidewalk lien" against her title.
Apparently when the city fixes the sidewalk in front of your house there, you are on the hook for half the cost. (marked up via no bid rigged contract, I'm sure) If you don't pay, they slap a lien on your property to insure they get paid when you re-fi or sell.
This fits right in with the previous post about nanny statism as well.
Just what Rahm needs more ways to reach deeper in our pockets.
Of course the group he panders to, the Link and SSI crowd, won't be fazed by this. Remember you can't get blood from a turnip. So once again the middle class will get hosed.
Anonymous said...
Just so everyone is now aware. I work in the 008th dist. I got a red light ticket in November. I never received a notice in the mail about my ticket so I never paid the fine which now doubled. Typical. But now the change. I got a notice by the watch commander stating I owe money to the city and I have 30 days to pay or get a cr number still same policy but I also got a spar and a day of suspension with it. Seems now even if you have no knowledge of debt to city they don't care. If you get a red light ticket or speed ticket for now on you must pay even if you never get notified. I don't know how that is. But 30 cops in 8 all taking a day for having debt to city even without getting notified first I called fop they said you can't fight a spar. I said I had no knowledge of any ticket they said its a spar take your day wtf. City gonna make a lot of money this way watch. Speeding tix coming out if you don't get it in mail you will get fine doubled and a day without pay on FIRST notification.
2/27/2013 08:45:00 AM
Class action suit for lack of due process...
Anonymous said...
So just pay your bills to avoid the boot.
2/27/2013 07:23:00 AM
How bout' when the city makes a mistake?
They would never do that.
So just pay your bills to avoid the boot.
2/27/2013 07:23:00 AM
Yeah. Bought an abandoned property, paid the back taxes and water bills. Idiots failed to record that the water bill was paid and I got notified at work that they were going to get a CR on me. It took two trips downtown and an hour of an attorney's time to get it straightened out.
But, with this law, these goofs would have taken my car and sold it for a bill I DID NOT OWE.
Can't wait til it happens to you and someone calls you a deadbeat. Maybe you won't be so willing to freely allow your rights to be taken away from you, then.
Theft of a Marked Squad from 011 Lot.
It seems his Majesty Stee georgas was in 011 Saturday evening and walked thru the parking lot and observed a squad with a flat. So he goes in to 011 and ask the Lt where the squad is assigned to. When his Majesty is told it is assigned to 011 he then tells the Lt that since the 011 Dist cant fix the flat he is taking it for the violence reduction fleet.
Did it ever occur to his Majesty georgas that flat tires can occur at anytime? Does he not realize that a car can be turned in by one shift and get a flat before the next crew takes it out?
What a dipshit politacal merit promotee all the way he is. Even in the Academy he told us he was going to be an exempt just like lt Ja told his classmates.
Hey georgas maybe you should get fleet management to buy some damn cars for the voilence reduction fleet.
So officers, make sure your personal car does not have a flat, he might just try and steal it and say that did not need it.
If I ever see you with a flat on the side of the road I am gonna j wave and keep going to lunch.
Just put me, my wife, my kids in debtors prison we have more time than money.
To 845pm-
I don't know how you fight a spar or if union was giving you the brush off. But at my unit, the indebtedness notifications were handed out and POs were given a week to pay it before getting sparred.
The state is now just paying doctor bills that were incurred 6-8 months ago.
His wife is the Alderman of the 50th Ward. She is a Neurotic, Demanding, Clueless pain in the ass. I want to start calling her Bernie Moan.
Anonymous said...
Just so everyone is now aware. I work in the 008th dist. I got a red light ticket in November. I never received a notice in the mail about my ticket so I never paid the fine which now doubled. Typical. But now the change. I got a notice by the watch commander stating I owe money to the city and I have 30 days to pay or get a cr number still same policy but I also got a spar and a day of suspension with it. Seems now even if you have no knowledge of debt to city they don't care. If you get a red light ticket or speed ticket for now on you must pay even if you never get notified. I don't know how that is. But 30 cops in 8 all taking a day for having debt to city even without getting notified first I called fop they said you can't fight a spar. I said I had no knowledge of any ticket they said its a spar take your day wtf. City gonna make a lot of money this way watch. Speeding tix coming out if you don't get it in mail you will get fine doubled and a day without pay on FIRST notification.
2/27/2013 08:45:00 AM
Take it out on the cameras. Use your imagination.
Anonymous said...
The day is coming when some people will say, "enough" and respond with violence. Hopefully, by that time the citizens will be disarmed.
2/27/2013 08:24:00 AM
You mean hopefully those citizens will be WELL armed. You can't have a revolution with sticks. That's why the socialists want your guns.
Or are you one of those gun grabber assholes who didn't read the Second Amendment?
Associated beer distributors of Ilinois donated 12,000 dollars to this 4 eyed goof.Does he give out tavern license out?Just asking.
In the cantina,beer operation,he is a sleeper.Look sleeper up.
"And what about when the city doesn't pay its bills? Turnabout would seem to be fair play - and the city is notorious for not paying their bills in anything that closely resembles a timely manner"
Let us know how that works out for you.bwaaaaa
""What the fuck is next, putting liens on your home and bank accounts.""
And everyone with direct deposit gives the city the right to go into your bank account, whether to make a credit(deposit) (or Debit, only to correct errors, of course...)Read the fine print on the authorization.
Had ENOUGH of this bullshit government yet?
I didn't think so.
Anonymous said...
What the fuck is next, putting liens on your home and bank accounts.
2/27/2013 02:42:00 PM
Perhaps they are copying Skokie. Got a parking ticket there, didn't pay it, and they put a lien on my house. Sound surreal? Yes, that's what i thought. They offered to let me contest it (a year or two later when I found out about the lien), but I ended up paying $250 for a $30 ticket because I was in the middle of refinancing and needed the title clear immediately. Found out about the lien on Cook County website by checking my address.
Anonymous said...
Just so everyone is now aware. I work in the 008th dist. I got a red light ticket in November. I never received a notice in the mail about my ticket so I never paid the fine which now doubled. Typical. But now the change. I got a notice by the watch commander stating I owe money to the city and I have 30 days to pay or get a cr number still same policy but I also got a spar and a day of suspension with it. Seems now even if you have no knowledge of debt to city they don't care. If you get a red light ticket or speed ticket for now on you must pay even if you never get notified. I don't know how that is. But 30 cops in 8 all taking a day for having debt to city even without getting notified first I called fop they said you can't fight a spar. I said I had no knowledge of any ticket they said its a spar take your day wtf. City gonna make a lot of money this way watch. Speeding tix coming out if you don't get it in mail you will get fine doubled and a day without pay on FIRST notification.
2/27/2013 08:45:00 AM
It's enough to make you sick (hint-hint)
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