Extra Pay for Carrying Guns?
- If passengers are allowed to carry guns on CTA rail lines, train operators should pack weapons — and be paid extra for doing so, the head of the union that represents CTA rail workers said Thursday.
Robert Kelly, president of Amalgamated Transit Union Local 308, said he is “totally opposed’’ to any legislation that would allow Illinois residents to carry concealed weapons.
His members don’t want to carry guns, Kelly said, but if the law passes, “[Do] you want a train full of people to carry guns and tell the operator, ‘You’re on your own?”
“You have to make it fair. You’ll have to arm our people,’’ Kelly said.
Years of leaving citizens at the mercy of roving gangs, years of having bus drivers attacked, years of claiming their camera system is second-to-none in recording perpetrators, but doing nothing to apprehend them, years of calling in bus disturbances, then driving off with the perpetrator and in most cases, the victim too. Now they want guns?
Okay, no problem. Train 'em and arm 'em. It's a step in the right direction.
We must compliment Forrest Claypool for his asinine comments though - he is a Machine tool through and through:
Okay, no problem. Train 'em and arm 'em. It's a step in the right direction.
We must compliment Forrest Claypool for his asinine comments though - he is a Machine tool through and through:
- CTA President Forrest Claypool said Thursday that allowing guns on CTA buses and trains would be “disastrous.’’ Buses can involve “crowded conditions’’ where gun-carriers could be bumped or jostled, causing a weapon to discharge, he said.
Because that happens all the time, right Forrest? Your ignorance becomes you, you moron.
Labels: gun issues
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
73 Comments:
I hate to jump on the "racism" bandwagon because the card has been so played out, but you must point out that this anti-gun stance is very racist.
They don't want black public transportation passengers to be armed because their racist thought process tells them that blacks are violent.
The fact of the matter is that honest black passengers would no longer be victimized by the usual thugs. This frightens democrats for some reason. My suspicion is that they are so in bed with the gangs, that they oppose arming citizens on orders of the thugs paying them off.
“You have to make it fair. You’ll have to arm our people,’’ Kelly said.
That's not true. Just let CTA personnel exercise their right to carry under the CCW law.
This way, would-be offenders won't know if the motorman is carrying or not.
rb
“[Do] you want a train full of people to carry guns and tell the operator, ‘You’re on your own?”
Ever ridden south from Howard at 3AM? It's like that anyway, with the motorman locked in his steel box and won't come out no matter what. You ain't gon do shit. Just drive the train.
I'm confused. Is there something preventing criminals from carrying guns on public transportation now? Oh, that's right... gun laws.
Isn't that an oxymoron or something... criminals being expected to obey the law?
LIBERALS.... they will never wake up!
Quite an imagination these people have to conjure up images that fit there agenda.
Yeah...like we see it happen in the 49 other states with carry laws. The public transportation is like the wild-wild west isn't it?
Trigger happy law abiding citizens are going to turn to crime and violence the minute they "strap up"??
Naw, maybe the apple picking mutts will think twice and the CTA will become a much safer place because they don't know who has what in their pockets on that bus.
Agreed why don't the media ask the qualified instead of a political hacks who don't know shit about firearms! I have been riding the redline during rush hour for court etc.. with conceal carry no issues these idiots!
If we could disarm all with bumping then we would be turning in 8,000. guns instead of 3,000. you idiots!
YES! Pay them more because what do the statistics show in the other 49 states? They show that the country is out of control! They show that shootings occur on public transit systems, like it is the wild, wild west. It shows that the murder rates everywhere else is going up by leaps and bounds!
Oh, wait, I'm sorry. That ISN'T HAPPENING EVERYWHERE ELSE! It is only happening in Illinois, particularly in Chicago, where only criminals are allowed to arm themselves.
Illinois politicians and union leaders are a fucking joke!!!
Ridiculous.
What do other states with CCW do?
Is Illinois the only state that has all these non-problems?
Holy Fuck. No wonder our idiot politicians don't trust the electorate; they're smarter than they are.
"CTA President Forrest Claypool said Thursday that allowing guns on CTA buses and trains would be “disastrous.’’ Buses can involve “crowded conditions’’ where gun-carriers could be bumped or jostled, causing a weapon to discharge, he said."
Never heard of an AD anywhere. Worst thing I know of was on the Long Island Railroad, not-a-hate-crime in which some crazy Jamaican? man killed about 15 white people with a 9mm, I believe. No opposition, so why not.
Swat at the Skull Man with your folded WSJ.
Can someone please remind Claypool and all these other idiots of Colin Ferguson. He's the savage that killed 6 train commuters in 1993, all unarmed and helpless.
It was on the news tonight, every day 19 People are victimized on CTA.
Thats 190 in ten days.
Per year victims while traveling on CTA 6,935
This is nuts. 6,935 people victimized. Whats the Mayor doing.
1. The data from 49 other states should clearly demonstrate the rates at which lawfully carrying citizens engage in some improper / unlawful activity, whether in public places, in vehicles, or on public transportation. I bet it is statistically insignificant, but would love to see it (NRA / ISRA?)
The Dumbocrats are shooting from the hip and hitting the emotions dead on. We need rational facts to fight back with.
2. Illinois, Crook County, Chicago: Our combined statutes, ordinances, etc. create the strictest framework for the purchase, possession, transfer and unlawful use of a firearm in the country. If these laws are followed, even close to the way they were intended, logically we would have one of the lowest rates of uuw in the country.
Unfortunately, the courts (CCSAO and judges) and penal system release too many defendants, either finding no PC at the front end, a ridiculously low plea deal or sol in the middle (if you can actually get charges approved), or early release at the end. How many shooters should have been behind bars at the time of the killing if the math weren't so "fuzzy." Laws that are not enforced create a greater injustice than no laws at all because of the false sense of security they create. How about a real, honest research project to review the true efficacy ( for our alderfools and McChicagogunlawsareweak, that means effectiveness) of our existing laws. (How about it U. Of C. or Northwestern, maybe the rand think tank?) I would say the "Media," but I'm trying to be serious here.
3. Finally, just like the frog in the slowly boiling pot, our constitutional rights are being incrementally eroded. Introduced legislation that allows police to warrantlessly enter and "inspect" a gun owners home, HOME, just because they own a gun, proposed forced confiscation, and other constitutional assaults, all in the name of safety and utopian aspirations. G-d help us in the coming years, they are looking quite bleak.
Oh yes, one more thing. A hearty fuck you to our state senator proposing that all Internet postings must identify the user. It's called the first amendment, please learn about the Constitution, you know, the one you took an oath to uphold, and that really important one that guides the entire country.
Signed, Anonymous
I'm not sure if Mr. Claypool has ridden the CTA south of 43rd street lately, but its ALREADY packed with people carrying weapons........
"...driving off with the perpetrator and in most cases, the victim too..."
...if they don't throw the injured victim off the bus for the offense of bleeding.
There are some genuine psychopaths behind the wheel. I mean sweating, gnashing their teeth, talking to themselves. Used to be one on #96, M/2, if he didn't kill a passenger it was not for lack of trying every chance he got. I mean swerve that thing up onto the sidewalk after them. He must have been the one writing all that insane stuff on the advertising signs with a Magic Marker during layovers.
Gun. Right.
There already is a train full of people carrying guns.
sure, why noti If the bus drivers and train operators are going to be security guards as well, they do deserve a pay raise. Be safe everyone.
For years, all the CTA stiffs were asleep at the wheel - literally. Now they are waking up to the fact that it might be safer with guns on the trains?
All this fear about people "might start packing" to protect themselves shows how immature and totally clueless our politicians are as well as those who are supposed to be organizational leaders. (like the union president)
None of this would happen if an element in society would behave themselves. None of this would have happened if you took some real action to put these thugs in their place.
It has gotten to a point where people are tired of being victims and tired of how politicians and states attorneys looked the other way because they did not want to upset a voting block.
Wake up, Rahm, Claypool and others- this is what it means to "take back the city". Something none of you have the guts to do.
Vice President Joe Biden says all you need for defense is a shotgun.
So I expect effective immediately, all Secret Service agents assigned to the Biden detal will carry shotguns, and only shotguns
What's good enough for regular folks is good enough for Biden
Not too long along a CTA bus driver was robbed at gun pint and then pistol whipped wanting in the turn around
Let them carry heat.
"Praise The Lord & Pass Out The Pistols & Ammo!"
Yeah, we wouldn't want anybody to be bumped or jostled. They might not be able to kill people that way.
CTA President Forrest Claypool said Thursday that allowing guns on CTA buses and trains would be “disastrous.’’
The logical response to this notion, which simply CANNOT be refuted is:
The claims from anti-gunners that mayhem will ensue as a result of conceal carry legislation HAS NOT HAPPENED in any of the 49 other states.
visit illinoiscarry.com
Given my experience (old, retired and not-a-cop) working Downtown for a number of years; I estimate that 25-50% of older women from Chicago that ride the CTA are already armed with handguns.
Sure, arm CTA drivers. Then we will be having an epidemic of CTA drivers getting robbed and losing their guns or shot with their own guns.
if they are so worried about firearms on buses and trains
then they need to put security on them. this hiring of "helpers" on the platforms is sort kinda a start but will do nothing for the fine "community activists" trying to "up grade" their obama phones with yours.
and those classy creatures we have seen defecating and urinating on the bus and trains it would make things easier on the driver who has to contend with traffic animals and worrying if he/she will make home at the eand of their shift
" I" Report on TV last night analyzed CTA crime statistics, which the CTA only releases only TWICE a year.
After analysis, because CTA only releases " numbers " not percentages, assaults, battery's, thefts etc. are up 38 %.
This is one time I'll believe a TV report.
Forrest pulled out the old "It'll be like the Wild West!" excuse that Daley was so fond of using. Shoot outs like those in the movies were rare at the time. Most people were shot in the back.
Regardless, if CTA employees can arm and protect themselves and their passengers so can the average citizen at a cheap price and probably more efficient manner.
Illustrating Chicagoland Idiocy, Mayhem and Stupidity at heyjackass.com
What would a liberal know about guns?
Here's a thought; charge an extra fare for the gun toting passengers-a gun fee if you will. Generate more funds for safer weapons that don't go off when pumped. Genius! Pure democratic genius
this is getting stupid, cant we (people from illinois) do anything without these stupid and petty hang ups. are we our own seperate planet? everyone talks about being a model for others to follow, cant we use our own advice once and a while.
Forest, how come my firearm doesn't go off during a foot chase or a fight? You are an I-D-I-O-T
I know the last time I got "bumped" repeatedly... my "gun went off" Oh, we're not talking about that kind of gun... Yes, Claypool is an Idiot!
Newsflash Claypool, they are already carrying guns on the buses/trains and everywhere else
Its important to understand one thing about unions in America ... if you want to form a public union (government union), then you need a law that expressly allows it (we do in Illinois, in Wisconsin I think they took it away)
But private unions (Jewel, DOminicks) are OK unless expressly disallowed by law.
THe CTA union (along with the FOP for that matter) - can be quashed in Illinois by quashing the law that allows the public union.
Point? Don't fuck it up for the rest of us CTA.
ah the "soft" racism of lowered expectations
Carrying a weapon for the past 30+ years I can't tell you how many times my weapon has discharged while being jostled. Oh, wait a minute. Yes I can. Exactly never.
You have to understand that someone who is in any type of powerful role in this state, and the head of the CTA is such a person, is used to making statements that are not based on any type of fact or reasonable thought. They are never asked by anyone to back that statement up with some type of fact or research. The fear mongers have been using this tactic for years to raise taxes for one ( we cant cut essential services) and to keep the civilian population unarmed. None of their scenarios have taken place anywhere else in the country or have proven to have legs, but that does not stop them from making these outragious and unproven statements. Of course, the press never asks sensible follow up questions, do they?
Gee, I've been on a long time.
Many drivers have some sort of protecion, mace, knives, sticks, bats and yes guns.
In dealing with the people they do, I don't blame them.
What is the purpose of the mass transit unit?
CTA President Forrest Claypool said Thursday that allowing guns on CTA buses and trains would be “disastrous.’’ Buses can involve “crowded conditions’’ where gun-carriers could be bumped or jostled, causing a weapon to discharge, he said.
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I did not know that bumping or jostling could pull a trigger.
And BTW, does Forrest have an FOID card? I'd put money on him owning a couple of guns.
When I'm off duty, my gun is always in a place where I can easily pull the trigger.
If I was on the train (God forbid) and was accosted by a shithead with a gun, I'd pull the trigger right from my pocket. No need for dialogue.
ABC just did a bit on this very thing last night. Video Too
I-Team: Violence on CTA widespread
“crowded conditions’’ where gun-carriers could be bumped or jostled, causing a weapon to discharge, he said.
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I was bumped and jostled once or twice in my three decades on the Department. Miraculously, I guess, my guns never discharged once, as a result of bumping or jostling.
And not from wrestling on the ground with idiots, either. And not from extreme heat. And not from being dropped. And not from the wind blowing. And not from static electricity. And not from, well, gee, any other cause except my finger intentionally pulling the trigger.
I have an idea, lets get rid of "fair" from the dictionary as well as the "-". Those two pieces of our culture are killing this country and has caused more racism than anything else in history.
MLK wanted to considered equal. He never asked to level tre playing field to be "fair". He referred to himself as an American not African-American. People get so confused regarding their nationality and ethnicity. When "we" as a nation stop letting people put us in separate boxes and become one nation, USA will once again prosperous.
As MLK said a few days before being murdered for believing that all races, creeds and gender could live as one people, blacks are on the road to becoming "chumps" to the Demoncrat party.
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Here is another nail in the unconstitutional gun law coffin:
http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20130222/NEWS04/130229913/7th-circuit-wont-reconsider-concealed-carry-ruling?utm_source=NEWS04&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=chicagobusiness#comments
As you can see, they tried to pull a fast one. Now instead of 6 months, there is only 3 months left to craft legislation that will pass muster, since they are wasting time trying to sneak legislation to overturn the court's ruling...
i will have a sip of whatever tonic these politicians are drinking...Im sure it cant be detected on the random drug/alcohol test!!! (Tastes like KOOL-AID)
"...Buses can involve “crowded conditions’’ where gun-carriers could be bumped or jostled, causing a weapon to discharge, he said."
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Forget about guns discharging.
THIS OVERCROWDING ON BUSES AND TRAINS TO SAVE MONEY IS A CLEAR SAFETY HAZARD PERIOD!
What's the fire department regulation on building occupancy and number of people per sq/ft and why don't we have one for the CTA riders!
You have these CTA trains and buses so packed during rush hour that everyone has to inhale to close the damn doors....and for this luxury we have higher fares to pay?! We pay to sit and ride on the bus not stand and be molested by the surrounding strangers.
Anyways, Mr. Claypool, thanks for acknowledging the problem of overcrowding. When a CTA E-2- like disaster strikes on one of your vehicles (and we hope it don't) the courts will admire your comments today.
“[Do] you want a train full of people to carry guns and tell the operator, ‘You’re on your own?”
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The city tells that to the people now with the city full of illegal gun toter's . What's so different about the train operator.
I am in favor of concealed carry on city trains and buses.
Think Forrest......think.
O/T lisa madigan's case before the il.court of appeals was REFUSED they flat out were NOT insterested in it
"All this fear about people "might start packing" to protect themselves..."
2/22/2013 02:59:00 AM
A. Like in the other 49 states?
B. They look at you while behind them, some motherf__er downtown just jerked out a gun and ran off with an $18,000 tennis bracelet.
C. Got one running around vic. 3700 N. Harlem with Spiderman mask and pistol now -- third robbery?
"Wake up, Rahm, Claypool and others- this is what it means to "take back the city". Something none of you have the guts to do."
Please. "Take back?" Don't hold your breath.
These operators sell off the city piece by piece to the highest bidder for cash money and give the rest away to the mutts out of sheer malice for the ordinary people they grind for taxes.
CTA announces that we should expect shitty service and jammed packed trains..
via twitter..
" @cta Red Line riders who board in Near North shld expect limited space Mar 4-8 in rush"
http://www.transitchicago.com/wellsbridge/
Naw man! We expect BETTER!
After the people of this city have been forced to pay increases in CTA fares that are exponentially larger than an avg 3% every other year cost of living raise, I expect the CTA to have a plan that doesn't impact their customers like this.
You KNOW there's going to be limited space FIX IT! We expect better. Don't tell us to just deal with it, to expect it. We expect better.
"None of this would have happened if you took some real action to put these thugs in their place."
2/22/2013 02:59:00 AM
The Mayor and his ilk do take real action. Thug Life is both
* Government subsidized and protected
and
* Sold commercially as a complete package, distributed worldwide.
The thugs ARE in their place -- which is always right the f__k next to your place. A spite fence won't help, either -- half the city is unusable as it is.
Ask your top "real estate" speculators who work hand in hand with the "social engineers." What the Tribune once tagged "The American Millstone -- America's Permanent Underclass" is used like a Cat D-7 as a land clearance tool.
Decent people in this city have spent their entire lives fleeing from a wave of s__t that rolls over one area after another.
Nice to "changing" to outright slum to cleared to "redeveloped," "rediscovered" and unaffordable, around and around and around.
This is intentional. This is vastly profitable.
Normal people have trouble grasping the One Rule -- their minds do not work along these lines. Here it is --
It doesn't matter whether it's going up or down as long as it's going.
Bernie Geotz only used 5 bullets striking all 4 of the attacking subway riding cockroaches.
No others were harmed.
Possible regrets;
#1 ....shoulda aimed higher
#2 ....shoulda used a 45 semi auto
#3 ....shoulda counted, 1round leftover
I do not like them on a train.
I do not like them on a plane.
I do not like them in a car.
I do not like them in a bar.
I do not like them in your yard,
(only ex-mayors and aldermen are allowed body guards)
I do not like them here or there.
I do not like them anywhere.
I do not like them Rahm I am.
Hey Forrest, I have made many arrests on CTA trains while in civilian clothes with a handgun on my hip. Many of those arrests involved wrestling with bad guys trying to flee. The physical contact involved was a great deal more then a jostle. And guess what? Not once did my weapon or that of my partners discharge.
In fact I have not heard of a single incident of an accidental discharge on a train or bus from being bumped by another passenger. It's not like anyone is carrying flintlocks.
There are many jobs in this country that I encounter every day and wonder, why are they not armed. Most security anywhere, very few cops at airports. Ports and train stations are easy too. I was watching die hard with a vengence the other day and there was a line that really hit home. They just boarded the ship toward the end and McClain called for the nyc police and the coast guard from the radio. The bad guy comes up behind him and john tells him they put me on hold. Bad guy: "God I love this country!"
Anonymous said...
What is the purpose of the mass transit unit?
2/22/2013 10:30:00 AM
To get paid!
2/22/2013 12:44:00 AM
"Swat at the Skull Man with your folded WSJ."
Heh!
We see what you're doing...
Irony?
These lefty moon-bats refuse to acknowledge the possibility of ONE upright, oppressed and put-upon citizen doing the ultimate good for society and knocking a .45 caliber tunnel through Skull Man's booger-box...
*Emergeny Off Switch*
Nice tie in to the L.I.R.R. shooting.
It was horrible...
And after all the political eye-wetting and hand-wringing?
*Off-the-air tone and test pattern*
The shit that happens when the upright, oppressed and put-upon citizen is INTENTIONALLY disarmed and denied the benefit of a ROBUST Police presence...
*We have plenty of cameras so just call 911 and the Police will respond*
"It's YOUR hide! How much do you value it?"
-Author Unknown but apparently a MAN of common sense-
When the prediction for the complete destruction of Policing in Chicago comes true and CPD is re-booted into unarmed $12 an hour City Of Chicago Customer Service and Public Safety Aides, we'll see how many corpses will be piled up in front of baby blue kiosks with screens running 24 hour nanny-statist feel goodery...
*Emergency 911 Button on Other Side*
*Emergency 911 Button - Out of Order*
Pile of human skeletons underneath...
Screen on kiosk running Axelrodian propaganda starring Rahm...
Striking various "Hail to Me" poses from the best Roman era statuary has to offer...
Trajan.
Julius Caesar.
Augustus... Etc...
Vogueing little twinkle-toed Shit-Ass...
You sheeple just keep on swatting futilely at Skull Man...
Rahm doesn't want his constituents being on the receiving end of any harm from you people who have to work and pay fees, taxes, fines, snatch-backs and jack-pots.
"AAAIIEEE! It's gnawing the flesh off my AAAASSSSSS!"
*swat swat!*
>GRRRRR!<
Heck yea! Extra pay for any CTA/RTA/ Metra employee that wants to get a FOID card, pass a sharp shooter test. No way those shit birds are going to risk stealing someone's phone if they think the driver/ conductor will pop their ass. We need to take our city back and let these thugs know who's boss!!!! Bunch of pansies sitting behind desks with personal drivers are making very bad decisions for the rest of us! Man up!
I hope everyone is hearing what I hear. We should not be on buses or trains. Are guns might go off. How about sending a Gold Star for those jobs.
Watch close because they are talking about our guns too.
Forest is a pimp!Do not ever trust him a true hatchet man.
TV last night -- CPD graduated 53, but CTA has money to hire 700 fools off the street to be "community service 'sistants," "'sist CTA passengers with questions, 'sist the elderly," etc.
We had this joke 20-25 years ago, CETA, Comprehensive Education And Training Act. Take people who were hanging around "L" stops and put them in brown coveralls and pay them to hang around "L" stops. Utterly useless.
Anonymous said...
I hate to jump on the "racism" bandwagon because the card has been so played out, but you must point out that this anti-gun stance is very racist.
They don't want black public transportation passengers to be armed because their racist thought process tells them that blacks are violent.
The fact of the matter is that honest black passengers would no longer be victimized by the usual thugs. This frightens democrats for some reason. My suspicion is that they are so in bed with the gangs, that they oppose arming citizens on orders of the thugs paying them off.
2/22/2013 12:12:00 AM
It's not racist. These people hate everyone that are pro-gun.
Anonymous said...
Sure, arm CTA drivers. Then we will be having an epidemic of CTA drivers getting robbed and losing their guns or shot with their own guns.
2/22/2013 06:56:00 AM
Doesn't happen in the other 49 states.
Idiot.
We had flintlocks when I came on but I transitioned to percussion caps before I retired.
Anonymous said...
I hate to jump on the "racism" bandwagon because the card has been so played out, but you must point out that this anti-gun stance is very racist.
They don't want black public transportation passengers to be armed because their racist thought process tells them that blacks are violent.
The fact of the matter is that honest black passengers would no longer be victimized by the usual thugs. This frightens democrats for some reason. My suspicion is that they are so in bed with the gangs, that they oppose arming citizens on orders of the thugs paying them off.
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We call that the "soft" racism of lowered expectations ... think affirmative action
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Sure, arm CTA drivers. Then we will be having an epidemic of CTA drivers getting robbed and losing their guns or shot with their own guns.
2/22/2013 06:56:00 AM
Doesn't happen in the other 49 states.
Idiot.
2/23/2013 07:27:00 AM
Right, because it is only police officers who lose and get shot with their own guns. Not bus drvers. Happens to cops but no one else.
Moron.
Anonymous said...
CTA President Forrest Claypool said Thursday that allowing guns on CTA buses and trains would be “disastrous.’’
The logical response to this notion, which simply CANNOT be refuted is:
The claims from anti-gunners that mayhem will ensue as a result of conceal carry legislation HAS NOT HAPPENED in any of the 49 other states.
visit illinoiscarry.com
2/22/2013 06:28:00 AM
Banning guns in Chicago has worked so well throughout in the rest of the city that we ought to try it on the buses too. Yeah right.
How about shithouses? Ban guns in shithouses because you might shoot yourself or someone else when you go in to take a crap when you drop your trousers and the gun hits against the side of the crapper or something.
What stupid idiots are running this city.
The only place where they make a concerted effort to keep guns out is at the airport on airplanes. And that costs billions of $ and requires the hiring of hundreds of thousands of federal employees.
And goofs like Donnie Trotter still try to get away with carrying a gun on board. You know, after they get done with their side job of security guard while carrying that little pimp gun.
By 1982, Jane Byrne disbanded the separate CTA police security force.
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