FOP Lobbies Sergeants
The FOP has an open letter to the Sergeants about their contract offer.
Read it at this link here.
Also, we just got word that the First Deputy issued a directive that no members, including exempts, will make any statements in support or lack of support for the Sergeants' Contract offer. Seems City Hall is worried this is going to fail - and fail badly.
Read it at this link here.
Also, we just got word that the First Deputy issued a directive that no members, including exempts, will make any statements in support or lack of support for the Sergeants' Contract offer. Seems City Hall is worried this is going to fail - and fail badly.
Labels: contract stuff
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
303 Comments:
Shhhhh. Code of Silence.
Well the running score card of labor organization asking us not to pass this is growing;
NEA - Down State Teachers
AFSCME
SIEU
State Troopers
University Police
FOP State Lodge
We Are One Coalition
Chicago Teachers Union
Local 2 Chicago Firefighters
Chicago Federation of Labor
FOP 7
My first question is why we are the one union being used for cannon fodder?
My second question is why the membership was kept in the dark?
My third question is why we are taking one step forward but four or five steps back (we pay a lot more but get less (cola)).
My last question is where is the City’s skin in this game (shared sacrifice)?
God i hate this city
I give the FOP mad props for coming up with the idea to have an actuary illustrate the true fucking Jim Ade is trying to give his union members.
If the actual numbers right in front of their very own eyes isn't enough of a wake-up call for the few holdouts, then those assclowns are truly beyond hope or salvage and need to be ostracized.
The "Rhamifications" of adopting those proposals as written would be the death knell for what little remains of proactive policing in this city (might this be part of the Master Plan?). This lubeless ass-fucking would eventually trickle down to us blue shirts. And once the assholes that incessantly cry about the Goddamned retro pay finally figured out what's really at stake, the pittance they so intensely focus on will be the least of their problems.
Outstanding display, Shields & Company! Now be sure to keep them belly fires stoked for the duration of OUR contract talks.
And a hearty "Fuck You" to Jim Ade. It's amazing how FAR the apple can fall from the tree; those of us that knew and often interacted with your Dad Russ at 26th Street find it absolutely mind-boggling that a man could willingly throw his own father under the bus. You're truly a disgusting piece of shit, Jim.
Do NOT trust my successor JAMES "KOOL" ADE.
s/IDOC#M29183, Taylorville Correctional Center
This might not be popular but when you look past all the misinformation the contract offer while not very good is not a terrible deal. It goes a long way to protecting our pensions. I would like more money but guess what it's not going to happen.
From what is coming down and out of the pipe there was a 180minutes of contract talks and days of pats on the back. thats 3 hours boys then some brew. Gimme a break
Huh?
"Don't y'all be shit-talkin' Rahm's bullshit contract offer to them Sergeants... Or else!"
More "sit down and shut-up" from the Tutu of Fire?
WTF?
The unwashed, mildewy occupy bunch had more credence given to their right to free speech than Policemen?
"Y'all shit-talkin' dat contract is bringin' discredit to the department and all dat ambiguous, catch-all rule violatin' shit an' shit... Cut it out! Rahm got a Police Department to fuck up and he can't do it if you guys get all riled up! Stop it already!"
So... Policemen have no rights that anyone is compelled by law to respect?
Expecting Policemen to not talk badly about a horse-shit contract is like expecting Rahm to not negotiate/intentionally leak shit to the media to steer public opinion.
WHOOPSIE!
Let's hope this thing goes down in flames once the Sgt's vote on it.
Ade and his crew need to go.
This is yet another attempt by Rahm to chip away at our constitutionally protected pension benefits.
This slimy prick will stop at nothing to get his way.
You've got to be kidding! Talk about terror tactics.
It's funny how Mikey is now speaking out, in outrage against this when months ago, the PB&PA asked the FOP (and the CFD union) to sit down with them to come up with some sort of united front and you both told them to fuck off?
The Code Of Silence is alive and well.
I'm voting, "no."
It's a suckers deal
Sergeant of Police with senority
Not the best contract that's for certain, but given the current state of affairs it's tolerable. Many states are pushing law enforcement retirements to 55-57 yo. Shields could of been involved in the negotiations but was to ignorant to submit a letter and then didn't want to present a united front with the Sgts. Mikey is mad because he knows his mistakes are becoming more and more glaring. I wish we could make a better deal but this helps ensure we have pensions when we retire and that's what's important. Hey Miley has a chance to start negotiating a better deal soon. Lets see what the kid can do. I'm guessing we won't be impressed.
Still waiting for my ballot so I can vote NO!
Sergeant's, if you ratify this "agreement", It will adversely affect every police officer (REGARDLESS OF RANK!)that has paid his/her dues and paid the required contribution to the pension fund since their inception!
This entire pension fund deficit debacle wasn't created by the working men and women wearing the uniform protecting the citizens of this city and state!
This mess was created from the thieving politicians failing to make the required STATE CONSTITUTIONAL LAW contributions into the pension funds. The required contributions by the employees in these funds have ALWAYS had their portion taken from their checks! But the politicians have refused to pay their MANDATED share into the pension funds. Instead, they have found ways to dip their hands into the workers pensions funds to RECKLESSLY invest the money into (doomed to fail) investments of their relatives and cohorts!
Now, due to the regretful economic situation, public employees (WHO USED TO BE SCORNED UPON WHEN THE ECONOMY WAS BOOMING!)are now touted as greedy workers!
I now say to those who think that, FUCK YOU ALL! We took this thankless job knowing very well that we would make much less than most the private sector. We took it knowing very well that we would be...
Working rotating shifts, working weekends while most were BBQ'n with family and friends, working most holidays while most were having a Thanksgiving feast or Christmas with family, missing our kids graduation or school sports activities, paying ridiculous tuition fees because we're REQUIRED to live in this city, AND MAYBE EVEN LOSE OUR LIFE FOR YOU UNGRATEFUL PEOPLE! ETC, ETC, ETC!!! Remember, we run TO what you run FROM! But NOT ONCE have I ever complained until now because I knew that we really didn't work for the "pay", WE WORKED FOR THE BENEFITS!
But now these same politicians that SCREWED this entire process up wants to take our retirement benefits that I was promised for over twenty plus years of sacrifice? I DON'T THINK SO!
WAKE THE FUCK UP PEOPLE! If you allow these lying, thieving politicians to get their foot in the door of our pensions, we are truly DOOMED!
The order was essentially a cease and desist of Lt's and Cpt's who are rightfully telling the Sgt's they are nuts to ok this lousy deal their fearless leaders have tried to hoodwink them with. If that is not a direct indicator of how bad this deal is then I do not know what else can be done to expose this as what it is, a great deal for the city and not so great for the Sgts and every other union out there. Wow, I guess thirty pieces of silver has been calculated at a going rate of $1,000 USC now adays isn't that right Jim and the boys...and Deb.
It's actually not a bad deal don't think FOP can/will do better. Economy is not getting better.
If current sergeants are ripping benefits from retired senior citizen retirees on fixed incomes just think what will happen to the retirees when the new Tier 2 pension guys are the majority and running the union.
You will rue the day this precedent began.
Today's gold braids are draining the pension. Years ago a person wasn't made a commander until he/she had 25 years on the job - making them older hence wiser. Being promoted exempt was more of a 'thank you', knowing you are going to retire in a few years. So now you get a higher salary in your last 4-8 years of your career. Also back then when the job was loved, you had to kick cops off this job - nobody retired early. Everyone was staying until 63.
Thanks to former supt Terry, he started the trend of giving exempt ranks to cops with 9 years on the job. (i.e. Adrienne Stanley) Thus allowing many many exempts to retire with a gold braid pension at the early age of 50. So if the gold braid lives to 80 or 90, thats a lot of pension bucks. And it certainly does appear that there are twice as many exempt positions today than there were back in the day. So there you go again with even more pension bucks.
Granted more police are retiring at 50 today than ever,understandably so. But the gold braid pension is definitely and absolutely contributing greatly to our low funded pension problems. In addition to the city not paying their portion.
Thats one issue. Next is - if the city and state want pension reform and want to cut my pension, then give me social security benefits. Our pension is our 401k, and we government workers do not get to collect social security. Civilians who retire get to collect a 401k and social security; and many that I know also get free health insurance.
In closing, we are all realistic that negotiating this contract is going to entail a huge amount of give and take. But this sergeant agreement is one way - Rahms way. Vote NO.
Funny... They want to raise the minimum retirement age from 50 to 53? They were making some noise about wanting 57 but once that camel gets his nose in the tent, you can bet 57 is next.
How many times over the last 30 years has there been hand-wringing when some newsie looks around and says, "Damn! look at these Chicago Cops! They're all OLD AS FUCK!"
The joint is burning and Rahm wants to chain the doors to keep people from escaping.
My second question is why the membership was kept in the dark?
Because this city is run by a bunch of corrpt assholes!!
But still.... a lot of this wouldn't be happening if we all stuck together.
But the over educated asshats on this job have taken it to an all new level!!
This might not be popular but when you look past all the misinformation the contract offer while not very good is not a terrible deal. It goes a long way to protecting our pensions. I would like more money but guess what it's not going to happen.
It might have served your arguement if you stated examples of the "misinformation".
1.) The Fund can't sustain itself because the city's contribution multiplier was never raised when additional benefits wre granted over the last 31 years. Employee contribution percentages haven't changed either. Politicians and union leaders are both to blame for this. The city has never missed a payment except for the $23million that FOP agreed to "forgive" them of to change the max out time from 32 to 29 years. Do not confuse our situation with state workers who have seen the state take pension "holdays" and divert the $$$ to other things.
2.) Pension "reform" in some form is coming whether we like it or not. Do you want it imposed upon you and have to work to 57? Didn't think so. Do you want to have to make a choice between a COLA and healthcare? Didn't think so. Somebody has to negotiate this or we will be steamrolled by Madigan, Cross, Cullerton, etc...
3.) In 2016, the city is required to step up it's contributions by state law. This was passed in late 2010 when the two tier system for new recruits was created. Emanuel is going to try to modify it and lessen the city's burden, but he won't be able to eliminate it all. In other words, the city is going to start paying more too.
4.) Always remember that the public hates you. Not only Chicago's huge criminal population, but your neighbors too. They're jealous and don't really care about first responders as long as someone shows up when they call 911. Recognizing this, negotiate smart.
5.) Shields has repeatedly missed the boat. The blunders, fiascos and PR disasters need not be recounted here. He wanted someone else to lead, Ade led.
6.) 75% of ZERO is still ZERO....This deal is the best chance to save the fund long term. If you think the city is going to pay your pension after the fund goes bankrupt, you're not serious. Chicago's vast dependent class of criminals and welfare recipients will always come first.
Based on the actuary provided by your grand fop leader who everyone loves all of a sudden, by 2016 we will put over 146.2 million dollars back into the pension fund. How exactly is that a bad thing? The retired guys have to tighten the belts a bit, that's too bad, because if they don't help out in this, the rest of us will not have a pension, period. Everyone is worried about the "poor" retired guys living on 75,000 a year and not getting cola, I'm worried about my future retirement and not getting anything. You all better get your heads out of the sand and start realizing that our pension is on the verge of going belly up, and if we don't do something to save it ourselves we are all going to be fucked. Get a fucking clue.
The city and sergeants union had actuaries also and guess what it found. It saves our pension for our family. Spouse included when we are gone. Of course fop actuary states this.
This is what happens when union elected officials go behind closed doors to negotiate to get themselves a good deal and their kids and fuck the rest of us.
We need to follow the example of the teachers. First, vote 92% AGAINST this contract. Next, march on City Hall. Then, the little prick will show some respect and negotiate in good faith. The teachers did very well when they stood up to him.
It's funny how Mikey is now speaking out, in outrage against this when months ago, the PB&PA asked the FOP (and the CFD union) to sit down with them to come up with some sort of united front and you both told them to fuck off?
Who cares....is that a justifiable reason to accept this bullshit proposal from the city. Fuck no it is not so get over it already this excuse has been said about 20 times already and its stupod.
Don't lose sight of all the facts. In 8 years the pension fund is dry! WheAther you like it or not another referendum will go on the ballot and the constitution will be changed if legislation is not passed. It's not our fault. It's not fair but its reAlity. The pension fund made a 12 percent return on its investments this year and it still lost money. We all know something has to be done.
There has for too long been a Southside v. Northside bullshit mentality when it comes to Shields. However, the fact is that he was smart enough to realize that we are dealing with millions of dollars and the present and future lives of thousands of cops and their families. The fact that he brought in an outside actuary to clarify these complex issues speaks volumes as to where he is coming from. And if anyone is stupid enough to ignore what is now clearly in front of them; well at that point it does not matter if they are Northside or Southside, they are just plain stupid!
Anonymous said...
This might not be popular but when you look past all the misinformation the contract offer while not very good is not a terrible deal. It goes a long way to protecting our pensions. I would like more money but guess what it's not going to happen.
2/16/2013 02:21:00 AM
Giving away the COLA and giving politicians the ability to reduce our pensions based on "economic need" is NOT protecting our pensions.
You, Sir, are misinformed. And the paltry wage increases are virtually irrelevant in the vast scheme of things.
The city has refused to live up to their obligations and you are willing to trust them now?
In my 25+ years with the CPD no one has EVER had to be told not to interfere with the ratification of a union contract. We are not stupid. But when I saw the email from some PO - not even the First himself - I knew this had to be stopped.
Fuck you Rahm. Fuck you Jim Ade.
Hey Mikey! Go fuck yourself! Get your own house in order before commenting on my contract!
I don't need your snot nose punk ass telling the grown-ups how to vote. I can evaluate the proposal and decide for myself.
When this thing gets voted down - and it will - you will be first in line to tell everyone how you got this agreement voted down. You are a shameless self promoter and a charlatan who is using this "crisis" to deflect your own glaring incompetence.
Go back to playing slap and tickle with Geiger and enjoy the Hawks games on the glass on you members' dime. Let the adults talk and work this out. When your contract expires this June, you can pontificate to your members all you want about what you did for them. I look forward to the entertainment.
Still waiting for my ballot so I can vote NO!
Sorry sarge, we checked our records and your ballot has already been counted. Thanks for voting to approve this fine agreement
City Hall
Is this the same FOP that "forgave" the city from making a pension fund payment of millions? Is that different?
Reappropriate the money from John D'Amico's, Richard Daley's, Mike Quigley's, Ira Silverstien's, Peter Silvestri's, Jesse Jackson's, and Richard Mell's loaded pensions.
It's that simple.
America
Fuck you Rahm!
Fortunatel most everyone sees this for what it is, and it therefore has little chance of ratification. Unfortunately, it gives a pretty good outine of the city's plan of action. Hopefully, he will have to go about it without the support of any union. He will be in Springfield trying to amend the Constitution, a bill has already been introduced, which he will certainly be supporting. It could be a disaster to have any of the unions calling for support of his plan.
It is not really that hard to see what is going on here.
The Rahmfather has duped the greedy leaders of the sergeants union to do an end around attack on the constitutionally protected pension rights which this same union and many other labor unions across Illinois rallied to protect in November when a house bill was introduce to amend the constitution on hard fought for pension rights for public employees.
The retired sergeants can not vote for or against this secretly negotiated contact that excluded them from any benefits but in fact reduced them.
The FOP retirees would never let this happen, they can vote.
The retired sergeants are furious at this and will sue for their rights. This is what the Rahmfather wants.
This law suit will reopen the attack on your pension rights.
It is a sneaky and unethical attack that the leadership of the sergeants union did not foresee.
We must speak up and fight this cowardly attempt to attack labor unions in Illinois. The members of the labor unions did not create the pension problem. Nor should they bear the burden of fixing it.
The sergeants union has sold out. The leadership needs to stop drinking the cool aid. Wake up Jim Ada. I know you are a good man. Do what is right.
wow, Chicago... the city of big shoulders, the city that works... to strip you of your 2nd amendment rights....and your 1st amendment rights....
If the Sgt's vote YES to this contract it will show how truly stupid they are!
Fuck Al! Send him some more Dunkin Donuts
Anonymous said...
Sergeant's, if you ratify this "agreement", It will adversely affect every police officer (REGARDLESS OF RANK!)that has paid his/her dues and paid the required contribution to the pension fund since their inception!
This entire pension fund deficit debacle wasn't created by the working men and women wearing the uniform protecting the citizens of this city and state!
This mess was created from the thieving politicians failing to make the required STATE CONSTITUTIONAL LAW contributions into the pension funds. The required contributions by the employees in these funds have ALWAYS had their portion taken from their checks! But the politicians have refused to pay their MANDATED share into the pension funds. Instead, they have found ways to dip their hands into the workers pensions funds to RECKLESSLY invest the money into (doomed to fail) investments of their relatives and cohorts!
Now, due to the regretful economic situation, public employees (WHO USED TO BE SCORNED UPON WHEN THE ECONOMY WAS BOOMING!)are now touted as greedy workers!
I now say to those who think that, FUCK YOU ALL! We took this thankless job knowing very well that we would make much less than most the private sector. We took it knowing very well that we would be...
Working rotating shifts, working weekends while most were BBQ'n with family and friends, working most holidays while most were having a Thanksgiving feast or Christmas with family, missing our kids graduation or school sports activities, paying ridiculous tuition fees because we're REQUIRED to live in this city, AND MAYBE EVEN LOSE OUR LIFE FOR YOU UNGRATEFUL PEOPLE! ETC, ETC, ETC!!! Remember, we run TO what you run FROM! But NOT ONCE have I ever complained until now because I knew that we really didn't work for the "pay", WE WORKED FOR THE BENEFITS!
But now these same politicians that SCREWED this entire process up wants to take our retirement benefits that I was promised for over twenty plus years of sacrifice? I DON'T THINK SO!
WAKE THE FUCK UP PEOPLE! If you allow these lying, thieving politicians to get their foot in the door of our pensions, we are truly DOOMED!
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Well said!! But I always wondered why the FBI has taken down VANECKO and DALEY for stealing over $60 million from our pension fund.
Why in the World would Ade want to give up Constitutionally Protected Pension rights? I think he may have cut his own side deal.
You could almost live with the proposed contract. But the COLA issue will screw every retire for years to come. Inflation is comming, and without the COLA their will be no way for retires to come close to keeping up. If you remember the 70's when inflation sored and gas was six dollars a gallon many CPD/CFD retires were driven to food stamps. Even the COLA couldn't keep up.
I love how the old FOP lazy shits bash Shields on this blog. You would think that they would help rather than hurt. At a time when we really need to come together those lazy ass dinosaurs can't put their egos aside!! What a fucking shame!
Maybe Shields did fuck up that whole letter thing ( I don't know) however he seems to be on the ball now. Fellow CPD officers, check your egos at the door! This isn't personal, this is business!
I don't care what super cop you think you are or how smart you try to act, we need to watch each others asses not fuck them!!!
Some good news - sort of. Sgt. James Ade or someone else from the CPSA exucutive board will appear at the following locations for a short period of time to explain to the retirees why they feels these actions have to be taken. They will not be taking questions at the Cornbeef Dinner on 28 Feb 13.
Orland Park Law Enforcement Organization
14800 Ravinia Orland Park Il.
21 Feb 13 at 8pm
RETIRED CHICAGO POLICE ASSOCIATION
1st District Community Room
24 Feb 13 at 130pm
North Side Retiree Breakfast
Lone Tree Manor
7730 N Milwaukee Ave.
06 Mar 13 at 8 am
South Side Retiree Breakfast
JedI Garden
9266 S. Cicero Ave.
13 Mar 13 at 1030 am
2/15/2013 11:16:00
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There are two events before our dinner for retirees. If they answer the question I'll be a attendee on the 28th. If they do not I’ll be outside asking everyone to go to Manny’s for a sandwich or to Billy Goat’s for a beer. Here I thought if was a pat on the back and now I feel like I have a knife in my back instead.
Maybe my brain works different but I just don’t see how they can bargain away retiree rights or anyone else’s for that matter. This will be in the court system for years. Someone did a piss poor job on this. Too many yes men around Jim Ade and not enough people with common sense.
I'll say it for the umpteenth fucking time so maybe, just maybe, some of those who seem to be a bit slow might finally get it.
We, meaning the members of the pension, don't need to do anything to ensure the existence of our pension. Legislation has already been enacted to do just that; ensure the existence of our pensions. Why else do you think Rahm is shitting his pants? I'll tell you why. It's because the City is finally going to be forced to pay what actuaries have been telling them they should have been paying for the past thirty years.
I swear some of you people must live in fucking caves!
The First deputy has no balls. This is a major issue for all of the labor unions of Illinois. This is not just a simple vote on a Chicago Sergeants contract. The mayor choose to go forward with the sergeants contract because he knows the retired sergeants cannot vote on this.
The FOP dropped the ball by not sending "the letter" on time.
Mikey you have to step up now, your retirees and all active labor unions members in Illinois are being attacked by an end around by the tiny prancer.
You active sergeants have to realize what is going on here. You are not voting to give yourself a pay raise or an 80percent pension at 64yrs of age. You are voting to scuttle the provision of the Illinois constitution that protects
the pension rights of public labor employees. This right was reaffirmed this past Nov. by the citizens of Illinois and many of you voted to reaffirm this right.
Don't you see what is going on here. You are not voting to give yourself a raise or benefits. You are voting to challenge what you just voted for in Nov!!
The Ramfather is not giving you anything he is taking it away. All of the Illinois labor employees are in jeopardy, including you.
And the First deputy issues a code of silence directive! He is ball less and gutless.
Still waiting for my ballot so I can vote NO!
2/16/2013 03:42:00 AM
Dont worry, its probably already filled out for ya! Lol
I work in 019 District 3rd Watch and I am not voting NO........................................I am voting FUCK NO!!!!!
signed. Sgt. Viking..........
"Not the best contract that's for certain, but given the current state of affairs it's tolerable."
IDIOT! First, it's not even tolerable! Second, when you say current state of affairs do you mean the 55 million for Maggie's park? 200 million for bike lanes? TIF funds? Welfare recipients getting paid $1,400 in 2008 to $2,400 in 2013? Cease fire getting a cool million? Mayor Dick and his 3 pensions?
I was just wondering if you are the police because damn you're dumb!
I hope it passes. I'm paying $680 a month for retiree healthcare. If I only have to two percent I will save $500 a month.
I know a lot of young officers read this blog. Let me give some of you a brief history lesson.
There was a time when active officers received free healthcare. Along came FOP First VP Bob Podgorny who thought that a dollar a paycheck for healthcare wasn't unreasonable. Look at what you are paying each paycheck now.
Currently, officers along with sergeants, receive free healthcare if the retire at 55 or later. Along comes Seargents Union President Jim Ade who thinks 2% of a sergeants annuity isn't that unreasonable.
Does anybody see any similarites here, or is it just me? It's really hard to close that door once the City gets its foot in it. Don't ever forget that.
Jim Ade and his lackeys are telling the Sgt's that Mike Shields and the FOP told the Sgt's union to go scratch when the Sgt's Union asked to partner up with the FOP. I call BS! Jim Ade and the rest of Rahm's mouth pieces are trying a favorite Dummycrat tactic of divide and conquer.
Jim Ade, you are a lying POS. Rahm and his people are pulling your strings and you go right along with them.
You are am embarrassment to the LE community. How does it feel to try and screw over 25,000 officers and their families?
Look no further than the words at the end that say the City will indemnify the Sgts Board against litigation regarding this contract.
Don't GIVE away your rights, your future.
Wonder if PBPA hired an actuary. Doubt it!
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Something happen at the ONE TERM MAYOR's HOUSE.
Big Retro Checks!
Welcome to Communist China. We will decide what you think and say!
This might not be popular but when you look past all the misinformation the contract offer while not very good is not a terrible deal.
Is that what we aim for now "not a terrible deal." We didn't fuc# up the pension but they want us to pay for their mismanagement now. Don't be sheeple.
Now that the pension information is coming out, it seems that the police and fire of Chicago are the only retired employees that do not get a compounded 3% raise each year. Alderman get it, judges get it, the mayor gets it, college professors and teachers get it, suburban cops get it, many other city workers get it. Why did the chicago police and fire employees get left out of this deal? And now, the mayor wants to take that away and charge us up the ass for health care. If this country ever goes into an inflation mode, and that is predicted when the feds raise take off the ceiling on interest rates, the pensions of police and fire retirees will not support then adequately.Of course, none of this will effect the 185 grand pension of the mayor and the 160 grand pension of our past superintendents, will it? And, the judges will not be effected nor will our corrupt alderman.
I don't see how a directive not to comment on the contract can be enforced against the peons. It is certainly appropriate for management to not get in the mix though.
from the outside looking in, the best thing you guys could do is settle for the same deal the sgts got. They got a heck of a deal that the city is going to hate down the road.
there are going to be very, very few employees or retirees anywhere whose health care costs will be limited to 2% of their gross pay. take this deal while you might be able to get it.
I can't believe the city would agree to such a thing. it is potentially every bit as much of an unfunded liability as the pension mess they created by promising benefits they knew they could not afford or at least were unwilling to fully fund.
Please wake me up from this nightmare!
Three straight days I’ve had to apologize at roll call because of this. I worked with a lot of these kids fathers. Now I feel like a strike breaker that takes a raise (80%) while everyone who stands firm on the picket line loses benefits.
Sorry Jimmy we are not scabs. This will not pass but no one will every trust us again because of you.
When this goes down and then you should step aside so we can start with a clean slate at the table.
Here I thought the CPSA was part of the Illinois labor holding the line together. But Rahm found the weakest link. That’s you Jimmy Boy, not us, just you.
I personally want an explanation from Ade as to how exactly this is a good deal.
Pleines was launched from FOP because of his reputation for surrendering on anything and everything to his pals over at the City. Jimmy Franczek probably bought old Pleines a steak dinner or two and that was all it took. Sergeants, wake up.
Anonymous said...
It's funny how Mikey is now speaking out, in outrage against this when months ago, the PB&PA asked the FOP (and the CFD union) to sit down with them to come up with some sort of united front and you both told them to fuck off?
So I guess you are going to show them by fucking everyone including those already retired.
This might not be popular but when you look past all the misinformation the contract offer while not very good is not a terrible deal. It goes a long way to protecting our pensions. I would like more money but guess what it's not going to happen.
2/16/2013 02:21:00 AM
You Sir, are either a troll or a moron.
Whaaa? Why is a boss telling people not to comment? What the heck is that about? That boss's pension - ALONG WITH EVERY OTHER ACTIVE AND RETIRED COPPER - will be reduced if the Sergeant vote for union busting Rahm's plan. Every police of every rank better be speaking out. Get your head out of Rahm's ass, sir!
funny, when the Sergeant's board went to the FOP board to go into negotiations as a unified group, the FOP told the Sergeants to go fuck themselves.
Now asshat Shields wants to be unified. Hmmm, could that be because the city is refusing to sit down with FOP, or could it be that the Sergeants negotiated a retro pay that the FOP may not get because they forgot to sent their letter of intent to negotiate on time. Makes you wonder.
SCC, no matter what side your readers are on, I see no proof that the FOP hired a firm to look at this. I see a chart that I could have made up in my basement. There is no letter from this company stating their findings and no logo on the chart from this company. After the crap Shields tried to pull to get the pension reps for the sergeants and the one of the lts, capts, and exempts turned into "At Large" reps where his influence of the 12,000 blue shirts would get his people voted in to all three spots since there are only 1,500 total for the other ranks, I trust him as much as I do Rahm.
Also from what I understand attendance has been horrible at the informational meetings. If people are going to base their vote on blog sites and rumors and the news media then they deserve what happens either way.
If any one has the "directive" please post it!!! The City cannot restrict speech on labor issues. I would love to see them trying to discipline a copper for speaking out against this sleazy deal. LAWSUIT TIME!!!!!!
Seriously?
Why is it that the Sergeants Union feels it has the authority to negotiate changes in the pension for tens of thousands of pension employees most of whom it does not represent and never did?
If you listen to some of the promoters of this deal they will tell you that they are simply interested in keeping their 45 minutes a day comp time and extra supplemental quarterly check. Not to mention Rahm is throwing in a $1,000.00 bonus check for ratifying the deal. I like to refer to it as a "sell out bonus."
All of you Union leaders had better get your heads out of your asses and come together on this before we all get screwed. What happened to "strength in numbers!" Now it seems to be everyone for himself.
Imagine if all Police and Fire Unions put a proposal of their own out there together and shed some light on the mismanagement of the funds and failure to make payments by the city over the past years. Lets get some press going in our direction for once.
This is literally a fight of a lifetime and our union leaders need to step up and do the job they were elected to do.
If the city wins, then really what the heck do we need unions for, let us all at least save our dues, we're gonna need to put some extra cash away for retirement.
Ade, White & Bilotta were all bamboozled by the City's secret agent, Tommy Pleines. Why anyone would have a former OPS investigator negotiating their contract is beyond me.
Sounds like a first amendment violation; "You will say nothing !!!"
We at the ISP have been working out of contract since July, they want to rape us like the city is doing to you guys. The politicians can give free handouts to lazy do nothing's but hard working police and fire get screwed. Stand tough guys.
What is good about this contract?
The 9percent raise?
Its all used up by paying 9percent more into the pension, no win there.
Raising your retirement age from 50 to 53 years of age? loss there.
Changing the COLA to 2.5percent every other year. Everyone born after 1956 already will get 1.5percent every year. Do the math. loss there.
Everyone born on or before 1956 and is or about to be retired gets 3 percent per year not compounded.
Big loss there. They will be most affected and least represented.
They are talking about suing for there rights. Raccoon eyes dream is coming to fruition. Let the government labor employees of the state of Illinois pay for the pension mess created by sell out politicians like him. The state of Illinois pension woes will be fixed. The voters will forget about massive crime in chicago created by his false and unfullfilled promise to hire 1000 more police and his choice of Mcnumbnuts. He will then become the president of the USA. Keep dreaming. Lets get a win. Vote no
Anonymous said...
Not the best contract that's for certain, but given the current state of affairs it's tolerable. Many states are pushing law enforcement retirements to 55-57 yo.
2/16/2013 03:30:00 AM
Maybe if the retirement age haddn't been lowered to 50 we might not be in this bad a situation. Too many collecting after 20/50. JMHO.
It had better fail badly. And Jimmy Ade better start explaining exactly what he did.
No COLA next year? Thanks, Pleines!
If the Sgt's take this deal they are fools. The rest of the Cops in this state won't throw the towel in to pension reform because they screwed up and bet their raise's on it. They will never see a dime and still be stuck with a shitty deal,ha ha ha ha.
city will win in springfield ,madigansville and retirement age will be raise to 55.
sgts union did their homework and trying to keep retirement 2 years lowewr than 55 . vote yes.
increase in pension fund is necessary to keep current benefits.
raise cola to age 60 , but keep cola at 3% .
This just in per the first dupty no talking ............ That is all
Rahm PINNOCCHIO Emanuel, we are not the reverends that you can BS. You cannot be trusted. I would not let you walk my dead dog. You have no INTEGRITY.
You guys really make me laugh if you think we have a chance. You are the ones who think the teachers union won sure the union got a good contract for the few remaining teachers that will have a job after Rahm closes all the schools and makes them charter schools. They guaranteed us a pension when we got hired
now they guaranteed it again if you work til 53 and pay extra%. I'm sure they will guarantee again the next contract, when they ask you to work til 55 and pay just a few more %. Your the sheep.
Divide and conquer happened long ago when certain union heads prevented all of us, regardless of rank, from joining and be represented by a single bargaining unit. There is strength in numbers and our first step after our present crisis is resolved is to belong to one single group, probably the FOP. Secondly, our leadership has often sidled up to the most distrustful state and local Democrat politicians. Should you have occasion to do so ask any Wisconsin policemen, or deputy sheriff, firemen or EMT, about the pension protections enacted by the much vilified Republican Governor Scott Walker and the Republicans. Walker can have the governors job for life if the coppers have their way! By contrast, how has pandering to Mike Madigan & Co worked for us lately?
630 Sergeant
It's not about 2% raises. People are short sighted. Will probably only get that much through arbitration. It's the devil in the details that matter. The fine print people always overlook. If you seen 8% raise a year for four years people would jump at it, but read the fine print. Loosing other important gains will of set the shiny nickel.
Hey Aid, Jim Aid, You can run but you can't hide you piece of shit. What are you going to do after this shit contract gets voted down? The next step is to throw you stinking ass out of office. How are you going to look your fellow sergeants in the eye? Where are you going to work? Who is going to work with you? Who is going to talk to you? NO ONE likes a sell out trader weasel piece of shit.
WAKE THE FUCK UP PEOPLE! If you allow these lying, thieving politicians to get their foot in the door of our pensions, we are truly DOOMED!
2/16/2013 03:58:00 AM
it always amazes me that the simplest, most effective solution is rarely applied.
even a caveman knew this.
Chalkie
El Presidente Ade:
Thanks for finally finally making me the second biggest dumb-fuck in American History.
Sincerely,
The Indian who sold Manhattan for $40-
Too all the idiots who say it is "not that bad" or "tolerable" to give up our legal Constitutional right for nothing in return....... NOTHING!!! You want 3%? Let me move out of the city so I can send my kids to good free schools. You want me to retire at 53? OK, pay for my health care. That's called NEGOTIATION.
Will you also give up your rights in our federal constitution? Why not? I'm sick and tired of these asshole Democrat politicians acting by fiat but more sick of you filthy sheep that tell everyone they should put a smile on their face and follow you to the slaughter.
Be very very careful dealing with Rahm, he is devilishly smart and equally sneaky. You have already put yourself behind the proverbial 8 ball even taking this deal to the Sgts to vote b/c the City now has ammo in claiming they, with the help of Ade, agreed on something which both sides thought was fair until those "greedy" members of the Sgt Assoc. shot it down! Stand your ground and vote no, toss Ade a rubix cube to keep himself busy and let the grown ups figure it out.
Did they ever hear of free speech, I believe it's in the constitution. Why would anyone want to be on his detail? I hear Ald, o'conner threw the police under the bus for rham, this won't sit well w/ a lot of guys he grew up with.
the viaduct on south halsted and 39th st. has a new elaborate decor which includes the chicago flag w/ 5-stars. did rham just give himself a star for nato?
Just one question for the board of the CPSA.
What gives you the moral authority to hurt so many people (thousands)?
DECERTIFY - Tell Smoot and Ade it's over for PBPA!
i hope it fails badly cause this offer sucks and opens the door to fu*K everybody.
All everyone does is run around and say vote no vote no. Well what are the alternatives? Do you honestly think in this economy you will get a good raise? Do you honestly think that without significant changes the pension will even be remotely the same as it is now? This goof Shields is more worried about having a copper drive a car with over 90000 miles on it than tackling any tough contractual issues. Shields is an unknowledgable self serving grandstander that sat idly by on the pension board while it was continually raped by politicians.
Off subject, The IL legislators are sending gun control bills for hearing, follow the info I posted from ISRA web site. Remember fellow officers this affects you too. You will not be a police officer forever and even if you move to another state after retirement, what one state does may give ideas to another.
The Illinois House Judiciary Committee has announced a pair of hearings on proposals to eliminate 2nd Amendment rights here in Illinois. Information on these two committee hearings is as follows:
1. Tuesday, 19 February, at Noon in Room 114 of the State Capitol Building, Springfield.
2. Friday, 22 February, at 10:00 AM, Room 600, Bilandic Building, 160 North LaSalle St., Chicago
During each of these hearings, committee members will be debating just how they plan to eliminate private firearm ownership in Illinois. They will certainly be discussing means to ban and confiscate 85% of the firearms currently owned by Illinois citizens. They will also be discussing how to confiscate magazines holding more than 10 rounds. Other topics of debate will also include “universal licensing and registration,” shutting down gun shows, and restricting concealed carry.
It is critically important that law-abiding firearm owners flood both committee meetings. Otherwise, anti-gunners will take control of the meetings with disastrous results for freedom loving citizens. Be sure to get to the meeting rooms at least a half hour early to ensure that you get a seat. Be sure to wear IGOLD shirts and hats. If you see members of the media there, approach them and tell them you are a law-abiding gun owner and you do not support further gun control.
If you cannot attend either of these meetings, they please complete an on-line witness slip for each meeting by going to these two sites:
http://my.ilga.gov/WitnessSlip/Create? committeeHearingId=10447
and
http://my.ilga.gov/WitnessSlip/Create? committeeHearingId=10464
Contact your representative in the Illinois House and urge him or her to join you in not supporting any further gun control in Illinois. This is especially important if your representative has changed since the last election.
Are you not sure who your representative is? The Illinois State Board of Elections has a new interactive search page here:
www.elections.state.il.us/DistrictLocator/DistrictOfficialSearchByAddress.aspx
Keep in mind that your rights are under sustained attack! We cannot let up on our defense of the 2nd Amendment. It is highly critical that you let these committee members know how you feel.
HERE’S ADDITIONAL THINGS YOU NEED TO DO TO SAVE YOUR GUNS:
1. Give copies of this alert to all your friends, neighbors and relatives. Tell them to follow the instructions carefully.
2. Post this alert to any and all Internet blogs or bulletin boards to which you belong.
3. Join or Renew your membership to the ISRA. Also, a monetary donation would help us greatly in our fight to preserve and protect your right to keep and bear arms.
REMEMBER: Gun control is a disease, you are the cure.
so now some asshole is saying we have no 1st amendment rights of free speech? on a bs contract designed to destroy everything we have and set us back
The 1st deputy CANNOT tell you that you can't express your opinions about a contract. He is violating your 1st Adsmendment Rights. Wake up officers & stand up for your rights. If you are for it or against it voice your opinions.
ADE did sell the troups "down the river!"
The more I see the details, the more I am convinced to vote "no".
If the city can attempt to penalize the retirees now, what will the city do after I retire in four years?
I vote "NO!"
OT: thoughts and prayers go out to ODPO killed in Roll Over this a.m. On the Skyway. Horrible that her Sister working @ MAIS took the call. Can't imagine...
Pass the GamIng Bill. This is the solution but they want to screw us on the pensions so that we will be locked into drastic cuts in benefits and they can keep the multi- millions that the passage of this bill will generate all for themselves and their stupid parks.
We can talk about this anytime we want to . The exempts have to roll over and comply or they will be toast .
Well said @3:58
To the PBPA spin machine we all are on to your bullshit now stay of the blog. Stop with this constant posting of a positive spin on the contract its beneath you. I have not found one sgt who even remotely thinks this is acceptable. To the readers of this blog disregard any post in favor of this crap proposal. They are all from the same PBPA spin doctor.
This contract is nothing more than a FOUR BILLION DOLLAR gift to Rahm. It relieves the City of putting FOUR BILLION DOLLARS into our pension funds until after he is long gone as Mayor. I am shocked and saddened at was has happened. The PBPA has failed miserably and every single one of the Board should be reminded on a daily basis how they sold out. You voted unaimously! Shame on your names for ever more. You got duped by an 80 year old drunk attorney with City connections going back to his father's father.
I'm so ashamed of you all.
pension is covered by constitution,not city contract issue!VOTE NO!
Were fools not to take this great contract in tough economic times.
Thanks Jim and Paul B, your common sense will save my pension.
Sgt R B 001st
I really am in disbelief to think that Ade & Co. thought this monster sell-out was a good idea.
Many states are pushing law enforcement retirements to 55-57 yo
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More bullshit from the fucking Emanuel panderers.
The FEDERAL FUCKING GOVERNMENT RECENT SET THE COMMON RETIREMENT AGE FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT AT 50, JAGBALLS!!
That means even the FEDS realize this job burns you out far fucking earlier than any other fucking job, with the exception of fire.
BOTH these professions REQUIRE earlier retirement due to the demanding physical and mental nature of the job.
THAT is why the FEDS have stated this as the standard retirement age for police and fire.
Any other state or municipality that fucks over their own employees so they can rape their money from them and spend it on the ghettoites can go FUCK themselves and I hope the fire and police in those localities turn their public against their oppressors in the way only police and fire can do.
This isn't a fucking game. This is a fucking SCAM to take what's been earned by public employees and piss it away on their cronyism and ghetto fucking freebee shit.
It's the fucking CRONYS and SHITHEADS that are gonna lose their fucking graft and corruption payouts because WE aren't gonna give it to them off OUR backs on ANY level.
Why are we not suing the bastards?!?!
Why isn't that stuttering prick Daley called up and taking the Fifth Amendment when asked about his crimes?!?!
Anonymous said...
It's funny how Mikey is now speaking out, in outrage against this when months ago, the PB&PA asked the FOP (and the CFD union) to sit down with them to come up with some sort of united front and you both told them to fuck off?
2/16/2013 02:48:00 AM
Hey shit tard, the FOP is required to maintain it's distance from the negotiations of other unions within this department. There's a fucking reason why the FOP doesn't represent supervisory ranks, and it's due to their knowledge that the rank and file blue shirts would piss, moan and scream when they FOP negotiates benefits that WEREN'T obtained for the rank and file. You think they're fucking stupid?
No matter WHO runs the FOP, staying OUT of other union's negotiations is the SMART thing to do. The FOP isn't about to be accused any more than they already are of "being in bed" with management and fucking over their own membership.
Grow the fuck up. When an issue becomes separate and public and affects us all, THEN they can come together ON THAT SINGLE FUCKING ISSUE.
The FOP isn't about to negotiate the Sergeant's contract for them by seemingly adding the weight of the rank and file to get them what they want.
And the "fuck off" lie you shit here? Asshat, declining the obvious implications of dealing with separate unions during their negotiations isn't a "fuck off" as you pretend. It's called "you negotiate your contract and we'll negotiate ours".
And as for CFD not holding little baby's hand while he gets fucked in the ass? I don't blame them a bit. You probably looked like a scared little fucking child to them and they aren't required to man up FOR your ass and do your fucking job pal.
The time has NOW come to stand together, on the SINGLE issue that hits us all, NOT during your fucking negotiations peckerhead.
Must be Ade badmouthing the FOP because they wouldn't bail his fat fucking ass outta fucking up his membership's contract.
Sorry fatfuck, you fucked it up on your own. You shit all over yourself buddy and now your membership is gonna shit on YOU as soon as they can. Congratulations
What does it say about this agreement that it only goes forward if we a successful in getting the state law changed? We have to do the heavy lift while Rahm sits on the sidelines. When Rahm went downstate and no one kissed his ring he went home in a huff. Madigan ignored him.
And if this is such a great deal why do we fear the retirees so much we needed indemnification from the law suits. If it passes downstate Rahm will pay the legal bill. If this falls downstate Rahm can just walk away for this. But the lawsuits will continue. This will be much worse than the fire strike it will be more like the civil war. Remember we all work 10-99. I for one don’t think it is a good deal. I’m voting no an I'm letting my guys see me vote at Homan Sq. If you are not a coward you should let your troops see how you vote too.
I'm voting for the contract. I want my retro. fOP is just jealous because they won't get retro.
WRT: " It goes a long way to protecting our pensions."
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How can you think that anything is protected when their words are meaningless. Even when the words are in writing with signatures, they're meaningless!? The meaning of the words are change at-will. "It depends on what the definition of "is", is. What defines: "residency"
What's COLA? You may think you know. Assume you know. But with these people it could be something entirely different. OH we didn't mean THAT..hahaha how could you think THAT? Sad day for you.
I'll tell you what. If I was negotiating this contract I'd demand quarterly COLA increases tied to the actual rate of inflation not some annual flat increase.
There is a time value component of money. When you have an annual COLA increase you are constantly chasing to catch up to inflation.
What happens if there's a large surge in inflation right after you get your COLA increase? That's right, you have to wait for 12 months to get the next increase assuming that the COLA is tied to the actual cost of living rate and not some flat number.
The way that Washington has been printing money we will soon see a tipping point with inflation exploding! One sign of that is the ability of the city and the state to sell it's bonds.
When we have to pay more interest on the bonds because no-one wants them look out baby it's going down.
ANY act or agreement to lower any benefit other than what is protected by the constitution on the part of the "employee" would negate the
" Shall not be diminished" clause and open the door to the politicians.
Every protected labor organization in the state would be vulnerable.
Little tutu man found his stooge, now it's up to the membership to vote in down
Hold the city to the 2015 legally mandatory payment which will be a substantial help towards sustaining the pension but by no means a fix.
This all about that $500 million payment that is in tutu's political pathway.
This is the monthly impact of lowering the COLA raise to 2.5 % every other year. Based on a $70,000 pension, your 3% COLA raise would be $2,100 per year, $175 per month. At 2.5% your raise would be $1,750 per every other year ($145 per month). Watch how this adds up. Hopefully this chart will will set up ok on the blog.
Year COLA Loss(Yr) Loss per Month
2014 2.5% $350 $29
2015 0% $2,100 $204
2016 2.5% $350 $233
2017 0% $2,100 $408
2018 2.5% $350 $438
2019 0% $2,100 $613
2020 2.5% $350 $642
2021 0% $2,100 $817
2022 2.5% $350 $846
2023 0% $2,100 $1,021
In 10 years you are making $1,021 less per MONTH. This is a huge amount of money when you are retired. Thank you Jim Ade and the Sergeants Association for agreeing to support this. Your justification is that you're going to get your membership an "unprecedented 80%" pension with 31 years and a day, payable when they turn age 63. Based on a $70,000 pension that's $3,500 per year, $292 per month. Your membership starts losing money after year 3 of retirement. Obviously if your base pension is higher than $70,000, the monthly impact increases accordingly.
Gestapo tactics to silence people. That comes as no surprise from an administration of socialists.
Thank God for this blog and the internet where free men can still exercise the right to speak freely without a government lapdog interfering.
America must be taken back.
We are held captive by residency much as serfs were on feudal lands of the lords. The sad part is, many cops know this but support it because they have been duped into thinking that their presence is the only thing keeping property values up. News flash, suckers. You're not that important. There are millions in the city compared to your thousands. Use your heads. And there won't be a mass flight out by city workers. Not that many would chose to leave.
Most are pushing for 55-57??? Illinois State Police get 80% with 26 years 8 months and they can get that at age 50 if they meet the time requirements. I am in the KMA club been a Sgt over 10 years, been on the job over 24 years but I am not yet 50. I AM VOTING NO, H-E-L-L N-O!!
Last year - Steve Robbins who used to be the pension representative for police officers - proposed a FOP by-law change that would prohibit retirees from voting in FOP elections. Hundreds of retirees showed up at that meetings. It was defeated by a vote of about 598-2. This was Rahm’s attempt to take over control of FOP. It failed. But Rahm did not stop there.
Tom Pleines used to be the FOP lawyer. He got let go. He went to work for the City as Corporation Counsel. And then he mysteriously left city employment and became the general counsel for the CPSA after Ed Maloney left. Jimmy Ade said of Tom “Tom has a vast experience with police contract related issues and will be a welcome member of our Association.” So Rahm has infiltrated the CPSA. Tom found out who was the weak links were and Rahm went to work. And now you know why Ade and Bilotta are so willing to screw over every over every retiree regardless of rank. A job in Fleet Management or Street and Sanitation after retirement?
I am asking all of those retirees who showed up at FOP to attend the OPLEO meeting this Thursday to get Jim Ade’s side of the story. I want to hear why he believes he can cut my pension without any input form those he plans to hurt.
Don Januszyk you have the email address’s of our retirees from the CPSA please send out an email to all of our members informing them of the four locations Jim Ade agreed to appear. To the organizers of the OPLEO meeting maybe you put have some extra chairs in the hall.
I for one am voting;
HELL NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do not speak of this! If you dare to speak ,
unspeakable things will happen to you !
Call the media.and wow now wysinger is giving orders.
After arbitrators ruling is upheld by the courts.
Rahm, "See. you guys should of taken my offer!"
Trust in government is paramount before we agree to modify existing state constitutional protections and previously bargained for rights. Do you trust the city of Chicago? Do you trust Rahm? Do you have faith in the aldermen to balance and make cuts to the budget in order to fund pensions? If the answer is NO, then you vote No.
The city of Chicago claims they had no money and is broke to fund our pensions? Bullshit! The city simply refuses to prioritize its spending. Where is the revenue raised by selling the Chicago Skyway ($1.83 billion), underground garages beneath Grant and Millennium Parks ($563 million), and city parking meters ($1.15 billion)? The city of Chicago had over 3 billion dollars and still refused to contribute to the pension funds. Now, if we agreed to modify our constitutional rights, the city all of a sudden has the money to contribute to the pension funds?
Why is their ability to pay contingent on us. They want us to pay more and delay their responsibilities in 2016, NO WAY. Please do not be stupid.
I am a Sergeant and saw our union PREZ in the newspaper with the mayor and Jimmy Boy was talking at a podium, I guess when you sleep with the devil!!! I just can't help thinking what personal gain any union official gets out of being involved with politics, He is gaining something, NOBODY is a union President for the love of the job !!!!!!
Please add this to the contract.
And upon ratification of this contract the City of Chicago agrees to immediately start paying it's predesignated share into it's employee pension fund.
Anyone that didnt see this mess coming and plan accordingly (getting into Def Comp, IRAs, etc) for their future financial wellbeing is a fool. You KNEW you only get 40% of SS if you have enough 1/4s when it's time. You KNEW your pension has been funded at about 40% for a long time. You KNEW your pension system wasn't sustainable for all the obvious reason.
But you assclowns instead chose to focus on your bullshit retro checks every contract. You let the city ass rape you for pennies on the dollar working every type of special employment they could dream up instead of forcing them to hire more cops.
Only now are you starting to open your eyes to the severity of what's about to come down the pipe.
You're all grow ups. Now deal with the problems you chose to ignore. I'm tired of all your fucking whining.
- Brother of CPD
OT: people in unit 701.....its being discussed as to what to do with the unit....most bosses want it gone...supt. starting to listen...stay tuned....dont know what is in store....but keating wants unit gone...tells supt. on a regular bases that the majority of officers there dont do anything...trust me...they are starting to look at the numbers....ideas being floated...a lot of federal dollars come into the unit...but they are trying to figure out how to phase it out, and still receive the money.
Too all the idiots who say it is "not that bad" or "tolerable" to give up our legal Constitutional right for nothing in return....... NOTHING!!! You want 3%? Let me move out of the city so I can send my kids to good free schools. You want me to retire at 53? OK, pay for my health care. That's called NEGOTIATION.
Will you also give up your rights in our federal constitution? Why not? I'm sick and tired of these asshole Democrat politicians acting by fiat but more sick of you filthy sheep that tell everyone they should put a smile on their face and follow you to the slaughter.
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would love to hear what we asked for. Went to the meeting and still wasn't told a thing or any kind of research on our part that contradicts any of the pension arguments that I'm sure the city tailored to their needs.
Most importantly!!!! The union did not even contact or request any info on the health of the pension fund from the elected Sergeants pension board representative. That is very suspicious!!
Dear Fellow Sergeants:
I am your elected Pension Board Trustee and wanted to set the record straight on a few things.
I am a non-voting ex-officio member of the PBPA Unit 156 Union Board. I attend the board meetings every month and give my Pension Board Trustee report but do not have a vote. I do have input in the meetings on non-pension issues, but my role is to bring accurate information and updates to the union board regarding the pension.
In regards to the contract provisions presented to us and the "side agreement", I wanted to inform the membership of the following:
I was not consulted before negotiations began. I was not on the negotiating committee that met with the City and thus not in the room during negotiations. I was not consulted during the course of negotiations. The first time I saw the information provided to us was at the special meeting with the unit reps on February 12, 2013 at 9:00 a.m.
I am providing this information because I want the membership to have all of the facts before casting their ballot. I neither endorse the pension changes nor oppose them. Each member has to vote in their own best interest and each member should cast their ballot.
I do not think it is wise to mix pension issues, which are legislative, with contractual issues, which are contract. I believe it is a bad precedent to set and is a slippery slope. They should be kept separate, akin to Church and State.
The constitution CAN be amended BEFORE a Constitutional Convention convenes. Just as they tried to amend it at the last election, a referendum can be placed on the ballot in the next election. The referendum needs 60% of the vote to pass and the constitution would be amended.
However, as the statute is currently written, the City will owe approximately $620 million dollars in 2016 for tax year 2015. At the City Council hearings several alderman voiced concern that they would have that money to pay into the Fund. That number will only go up every year thereafter. The statute does have safeguards to ensure we get our money. The statute requires the State to withhold funds to the City and redirect them into the Fund however much the City is short on the payment. Keep in mind, that is the same state that is $95 billion in the hole themselves. Will the city have the money, I don't know, but they sure do act like they won't. We had an un-audited return on assets last year of 12% but with all of the money going out the door we about broke even on the fund's balance.
I have spoken with both New England Pension Consultants, our pension consultants, and our actuary, who both stated that if the City does not make their payments in 2016 and every year thereafter, we are going to have big problems. Unless something changes in the interim. There is too much money going out the door and not enough coming in, it is simple accounting.
We basically have two choices:
1. Reject the deal and call the City's bluff that they will not have the money in 2016 and will attempt to change the statute in the interim or;
2. Approve it and have a say in the changes that are made and that there will not be more changes down the road.
Each of you should analyze the situation yourself and cast a vote in YOUR own best interest.
This is a very important time for our union, our pension fund and our individual careers. Please take the time to give it your proper attention.
Sincerely,
Sgt. Brian E. Wright, #1575
Pension Board Trustee
Cooter says vote NO.
I like all the city sponsored Rahm/Ade/Pleines comments following this post. As SCC is fond of saying: Unfuckingfuckingbelieveable!
VOTE NO!
What is good about this contract?
The 9 percent raise?
Its all used up by paying 9percent more into the pension, no win there.
Raising your retirement age from 50 to 53 years of age? loss there.
Changing the COLA to 2.5percent every other year. Everyone born after 1956 already will get 1.5percent every year. Do the math. loss there.
Everyone born on or before 1956 and is or about to be retired gets 3 percent per year not compounded.
Big loss there. They will be most affected and least represented.
They are talking about suing for there rights. Raccoon eyes dream is coming to fruition. Let the government labor employees of the state of Illinois pay for the pension mess created by sell out politicians like him. The state of Illinois pension woes will be fixed. The voters will forget about massive crime in chicago created by his false and unfullfilled promise to hire 1000 more police and his choice of Mcnumbnuts. He will then become the president of the USA. Keep dreaming. Lets get a win. Vote no
2/16/2013 10:27:00 AM
I hope you never have to testify. Your post is full of factual errors.
If you were born on or before 31 Dec 54, you fall under the statutory non-compounded 3%COLA. If you were born 01 Jan 55, or later, you are not.
It is not a 9% raise in pension contribution; it's a 3% hike, which will bring total mandatory payroll contributions up to 12%.
That being said, the whole proposal is still a travesty. Vote it down.
Anonymous said...
I'm voting for the contract. I want my retro. fOP is just jealous because they won't get retro.
2/16/2013 03:52:00 PM
I know you posted this just to stir the pot, but thanks for bringing it up.
Guys, if you sell out for a thousand dollar bonus, you should know you would make that up in seven months of COLA payments.
In other words, you would give TENS OF THOUSANDS of future retirement dollars away just to get your mitts on a lousy thousand dollars/pieces of silver today. And, TAXES will come out of that thousand dollars, so you'll pretty much sell out for about seven hundred bucks.
Vote no.
Dear Sgt Ade;
I used to think of you as a person of morals and integrity. The contract that you "negotiated" with the city affects not only your membership, but thousands of retirees, widows and offspring as well. In the case of the retirees and widows and offspring, it ADVERSELY affects them. I don't know WHAT you were promised by the city, or what you may have been threatened with by the administration, but you should hang your head and hide your face in shame for this miscarriage you are trying to foist upon not only your membership, but those who cannot bargain with the city as well. I hope that you find not only your voice, but your conscience, and soon.
Bill Kushner
Anonymous said...
We are held captive by residency much as serfs were on feudal lands of the lords. The sad part is, many cops know this but support it because they have been duped into thinking that their presence is the only thing keeping property values up. News flash, suckers. You're not that important. There are millions in the city compared to your thousands. Use your heads. And there won't be a mass flight out by city workers. Not that many would chose to leave.
2/16/2013 04:44:00 PM
Don't delude yourself. Ten years ago, maybe one in five who owned homes would have chosen to move out. Now, it's probably fifty percent.
And, yes, we ARE that important. If WE get the right to move out, it opens the door for EVERY City employee to move out. And, that would decimate not only property values, but retail sales taxes, entertainment taxes and income and all other consumer platforms.
Then, there's that pesky detail known as the 'voter base'. They'd be gone, too.
Whaaa? Why is a boss telling people not to comment? What the heck is that about? That boss's pension - ALONG WITH EVERY OTHER ACTIVE AND RETIRED COPPER - will be reduced if the Sergeant vote for union busting Rahm's plan. Every police of every rank better be speaking out. Get your head out of Rahm's ass, sir!
2/16/2013 09:48:00 AM
Your last sentence answered your question. The word came from City Hall to quash the dissent.
Sgt W. I believe the city is obligated to make the payments that issue has been settled. Are you saying we are going to let the city of the hook again. I for one do not want another give back to the city enough is enough. They will have to honor their obligations as we have done for years sorry that's the real world...
"Coming together is a beginning; keeping together is progress; working together is success." - Henry Ford.
The email from Sgt. Brian E. Wright, #1575 was a joke. He should immediately go look for his testicles. He is the elected official for the sergeants on the pension board and he was afraid to take a stance or offer the effects of this agreement to the future of the pension fund. He states that he was not consulted before and during negotiations. Well, after reading his email, I do not blame the Union for not consulting him, because he offered no thoughtful insight. He simply let people know what they already knew.
I do not support this agreement, but I respect that the Union took a stance, they feel it's the best deal, and took a position. I respect that far greater than an elected official who is afraid to take a stance.
Anonymous said...
Now that the pension information is coming out, it seems that the police and fire of Chicago are the only retired employees that do not get a compounded 3% raise each year. Alderman get it, judges get it, the mayor gets it, college professors and teachers get it, suburban cops get it, many other city workers get it. Why did the chicago police and fire employees get left out of this deal? And now, the mayor wants to take that away and charge us up the ass for health care. If this country ever goes into an inflation mode, and that is predicted when the feds raise take off the ceiling on interest rates, the pensions of police and fire retirees will not support then adequately.Of course, none of this will effect the 185 grand pension of the mayor and the 160 grand pension of our past superintendents, will it? And, the judges will not be effected nor will our corrupt alderman.
2/16/2013 09:20:00 AM
Well said. The State has all but admitted they can stem the bleeding just by doing away with compounded-interest COLAs. WE have never had that luxury.
But, I disagree on your assessment of our pension fund being hurt by inflation.
In the event of retail inflation, our investments will not remain at a stagnant rate; they will ALSO grow. The thing to fear, as we all learned about seven years ago, is when the inflation bubble BURSTS and bottoms out.
Today's gold braids are draining the pension. Years ago a person wasn't made a commander until he/she had 25 years on the job - making them older hence wiser. Being promoted exempt was more of a 'thank you', knowing you are going to retire in a few years. So now you get a higher salary in your last 4-8 years of your career. Also back then when the job was loved, you had to kick cops off this job - nobody retired early. Everyone was staying until 63.
Are you really that dense? yes they are making them younger these days because the department has gotten younger, but remember, they are paying into the pension fund at 9% of their exempt salary for the entire time they are exempt until they retire, so in essence they are paying much more into it than they will get out it, given the dismal track record of longevity for retirees on this job.So chill out and worry about yourself.. A Sgt. voting NO!
Ade, White & Bilotta were all bamboozled by the City's secret agent, Tommy Pleines. Why anyone would have a former OPS investigator negotiating their contract is beyond me.
2/16/2013 10:05:00 AM
For the love of god, shields. Stay off the blog. Don't you have other non-productive labor meetings to schedule with the city?
"Anyone that didnt see this mess coming and plan accordingly (getting into Def Comp, IRAs, etc) for their future financial wellbeing is a fool. You KNEW you only get 40% of SS if you have enough 1/4s when it's time. You KNEW your pension has been funded at about 40% for a long time. You KNEW your pension system wasn't sustainable for all the obvious reason.
But you assclowns instead chose to focus on your bullshit retro checks every contract. You let the city ass rape you for pennies on the dollar working every type of special employment they could dream up instead of forcing them to hire more cops.
Only now are you starting to open your eyes to the severity of what's about to come down the pipe.
You're all grow ups. Now deal with the problems you chose to ignore. I'm tired of all your fucking whining."
- Brother of CPD
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I think you're an assclown and being overly critical of men and woman who trusted the city to honor their promises. Perhaps they're not as intelligent as you or they're too busy with their lives to focus on issues very few of us expected to have to face as reality. How many people can afford to put money into their 457 plan and additional savings? You are a naive, ignorant and condescending assclown. If you were so concerned for the financial wellbeing of your fellow leos, perhaps you could have opened up your shit filled pie hole years ago. What a prick!
>>>Anonymous said...
Please add this to the contract.
And upon ratification of this contract the City of Chicago agrees to immediately start paying it's predestinated share into it's employee pension fund.
2/16/2013 06:37:00 PM<<<
Why not vote overfuckingwhelmingly... NO!
Then sue the city for breach of its duty as an employer.
Get injunctions shutting down wasteful projects like flower boxes and Maggie Daley Park.
Make the city account for the Parking Meter money and other deals.
Look at city real estate and what can be seized by the courts.
Make the city put the money into the people.
We have been quiet for far too long. I could go on but use your rage and imagination.
Rest in peace Sergeant Mike Spagnola. You were a good man. It was an honor and a privilege to work with you. You will be missed.
We basically have two choices:
1. Reject the deal and call the City's bluff that they will not have the money in 2016 and will attempt to change the statute in the interim or;
2. Approve it and have a say in the changes that are made and that there will not be more changes down the road.
Each of you should analyze the situation yourself and cast a vote in YOUR own best interest.
This is a very important time for our union, our pension fund and our individual careers. Please take the time to give it your proper attention.
Sincerely,
Sgt. Brian E. Wright, #1575
Pension Board Trustee
That was a waste of five minutes of my time.
BlaH bLAH. I'm voting NO
Anyone that didnt see this mess coming and plan accordingly (getting into Def Comp, IRAs, etc) for their future financial wellbeing is a fool. You KNEW you only get 40% of SS if you have enough 1/4s when it's time. You KNEW your pension has been funded at about 40% for a long time. You KNEW your pension system wasn't sustainable for all the obvious reason.
But you assclowns instead chose to focus on your bullshit retro checks every contract. You let the city ass rape you for pennies on the dollar working every type of special employment they could dream up instead of forcing them to hire more cops.
Only now are you starting to open your eyes to the severity of what's about to come down the pipe.
You're all grow ups. Now deal with the problems you chose to ignore. I'm tired of all your fucking whining.
- Brother of CPD
Kiss my ass and mind your own fucking business.
I would rather take 0% raise for four years then to accept this bullshit offer.
Please wake up fellow Sgt's.
Vote NO
Remember on this very same blog when they started a petition to lower the number of alderman to 25 throughout the city? I think it's time for that again. Start it now so we have more time to get some steam behind us. Less talk and more action SCC!
The infamous Rick Simon boating video to appear soon! How come that whole issue at O'Hare has gone by the wayside? Keep up the pressure!
Robbery in progress on the CTA train... Sgt Geno tells the dispatcher to flip it to the zone! Really?
How fucked am i with a tier 2 pension?
Anyone that didnt see this mess coming and plan accordingly (getting into Def Comp, IRAs, etc) for their future financial wellbeing is a fool. You KNEW you only get 40% of SS if you have enough 1/4s when it's time. You KNEW your pension has been funded at about 40% for a long time. You KNEW your pension system wasn't sustainable for all the obvious reason.
But you assclowns instead chose to focus on your bullshit retro checks every contract. You let the city ass rape you for pennies on the dollar working every type of special employment they could dream up instead of forcing them to hire more cops.
Only now are you starting to open your eyes to the severity of what's about to come down the pipe.
You're all grow ups. Now deal with the problems you chose to ignore. I'm tired of all your fucking whining.
- Brother of CPD
I get what you're saying. I do the best I can to save. Sounds like you're trying to blame us for a situation we didn't cause. We came on this job, giving up a lot of other things in return for a pension that was guaranteed. I'm sick of ass clowns like you not understanding that. I'm sick of ass clowns like you blaming us for something you should be blaming politicians for. Ass clowns like you keep voting for the same fucking asshole politicians that put us into this mess. So don't blame police officers for something we didn't do.
two officers from gangs were in a VERY BAD car accident in 008. Hit by a car going extremely fast and both guys are in bad shape. When we showed up the car was destroyed both guys didn't look too good. We went home since so I haven't heard anything else about the condition. but by the looks of it, not good.
Economy is not getting better.
But Mr. Obama said it is getting better!!!
75% of ZERO is still ZERO....This deal is the best chance to save the fund long term. If you think the city is going to pay your pension after the fund goes bankrupt, you're not serious. Chicago's vast dependent class of criminals and welfare recipients will always come first.
So I'm going to have to become a criminal/welfare recipient?
So be it.
The 1st Deputy can go F&$! Himself with that unlawful order. I already told every Sgt to vote no! The deputy doesn't have the authority to tell me how I to negotiate my contract. I didn't tell him not to sell his soul to tiny dancer and mcdumbass. I believe the sgts union decided with Rahm that the sgts contract would be good for me. Well F You!
I've talked to about 60 Sgt's. the exit pole is 4 votes for contract and 56 NO's!!!! 0 undecided. Good luck Rahm!
Did they ever hear of free speech, I believe it's in the constitution.
None of those rules restricting government apply in the People's Republic of Chicago or Madiganistan.
Where is the revenue raised by selling the Chicago Skyway ($1.83 billion), underground garages beneath Grant and Millennium Parks ($563 million), and city parking meters ($1.15 billion)? The city of Chicago had over 3 billion dollars and still refused to contribute to the pension funds.
And don't forget, Rahm continues to build on an airport that sees fewer flights (due in part, to higher user fees). Preparing to sell it off too, I guess.
You're all grow ups. Now deal with the problems you chose to ignore. I'm tired of all your fucking whining.
Then why do you read this blog?
If you're that damn tired, GTFO, whiner.
The negotiating the contract is one thing and legislating the pension is another. Rahm is saying that if you back my legislation THEN I will not take anything away from you which was given to you in previous contracts. I am pretty sure that what Rahm has done here is illegal, and I believe that ADE will receive a good post retirement job in the future.
Hi sgt Brain, its me Missy, remember yoU gave me 3 honor menTIOns for my sweePing on Wabash steet. Super-Glue-Groovie thAt you a big sHot new England PeNsion guRU now. MAYbe you can hElp invesTing mY Trust fund my dadDy giVes me 206 K every march uNtil I go to Heaven. My hsbAND weNt back to ParIS so I lIve aLone with my 6 kats and 4 dogs.
CoMe see me in 0o1.
Missy
Time to face the music - Chicago is broke. If anyone deserves pensions, cops are first, firemen second. How do you pay any money to anyone when the underfunded pensions were negotiated by politicians and union leaders using 2+2=10 math??? What's amazing is that all the anger is directed at Rahm, who is trying to save the city from a fiscal collapse...created by your beloved Daley and friends. Have you checked your tax bill??? It spells out all you need to know
It's funny how all of us patrolmen are really thinking that these Sgt's (obviously higher "boss like" aspirations) will vote "no" on this. They are the next worthless bosses in waiting, and will rail us at the drop of a hat.
The city can sell bridges, ie our skyway, they can sell the parking meters (which is now costing the city millions) and , by the way, richie daleynnow works for the law firm who negotiatednthe deal. The city throws away millions and millions of taxpayers money by mismanagement with ohare expansion, parks, continue to throw money dedicated to a politician's wife, bike lanes, flower boxes , etc. somehow they always fail and fight to not live up to their obligations to their workers, but you know they will take care of their own, ie part.time aldermen who make over 100k, a non teacher, ie lobbyist who never worked a day in their life teaching now making an adminstrative teacher pension , a cook county substitute/ temp president who works a few weeks now gets a full cook county president's pension. Look at Rahm who made millions working for a few months for some go met entity related to the mortgage crash.........the list goes on. Politicians cannot be trusted, they are for themselves only, they pander to any segment who will vote for them by promising stuff they can't fulfill........Springfield and city hall has to tighten their belts and pay into the pension system they have failed to do and cut their shameful and thieving spending. If the sgt,s vote for this you are negating what the unions fought hard for all these years.
Get rid of gold braid pensions, that would save millions right there.
This is the monthly impact of lowering the COLA raise to 2.5 % every other year. Based on a $70,000 pension, your 3% COLA raise would be $2,100 per year, $175 per month. At 2.5% your raise would be $1,750 per every other year ($145 per month). Watch how this adds up. Hopefully this chart will will set up ok on the blog.
Year COLA Loss(Yr) Loss per Month
2014 2.5% $350 $29
2015 0% $2,100 $204
2016 2.5% $350 $233
2017 0% $2,100 $408
2018 2.5% $350 $438
2019 0% $2,100 $613
2020 2.5% $350 $642
2021 0% $2,100 $817
2022 2.5% $350 $846
2023 0% $2,100 $1,021
In 10 years you are making $1,021 less per MONTH. This is a huge amount of money when you are retired. Thank you Jim Ade and the Sergeants Association for agreeing to support this. Your justification is that you're going to get your membership an "unprecedented 80%" pension with 31 years and a day, payable when they turn age 63. Based on a $70,000 pension that's $3,500 per year extra (5%), $292 per month. Your membership starts losing money after year 3 of retirement. Obviously if your base pension is higher than $70,000, the monthly impact increases accordingly.
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I am going to try this again to make it more readable:
Year/COLA/Loss(perYr)/Loss per Mnth
2014-2.5%---$350--------$29
2015--0%---$2,100-------$204
2016-2.5%---$350--------$233
2017--0%---$2,100-------$408
2018-2.5%---$350--------$438
2019--0%---$2,100-------$613
2020-2.5%---$350--------$642
2021--0%---$2,100-------$817
2022-2.5%---$350--------$846
2023--0%---$2,100-------$1,021
Actuary from sgt union said this is a good deal when looking at pension fund based on all partaking in it. If you vote no you are a fool. Change is coming weather you like it or not. Either by sgt vote, referendum on ballot or pushed through legislation.
1 mill....bike lanes
1 mill ....cease fire
55 mill.....maggie park
po's ..... f**k you
Rahm
Anyone that didnt see this mess coming and plan accordingly (getting into Def Comp, IRAs, etc) for their future financial wellbeing is a fool. You KNEW you only get 40% of SS if you have enough 1/4s when it's time. You KNEW your pension has been funded at about 40% for a long time. You KNEW your pension system wasn't sustainable for all the obvious reason.
But you assclowns instead chose to focus on your bullshit retro checks every contract. You let the city ass rape you for pennies on the dollar working every type of special employment they could dream up instead of forcing them to hire more cops.
Only now are you starting to open your eyes to the severity of what's about to come down the pipe.
You're all grow ups. Now deal with the problems you chose to ignore. I'm tired of all your fucking whining.
- Brother of CPD
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You ought to be ashamed of yourself!
Anonymous said...
Last year - Steve Robbins who used to be the pension representative for police officers - proposed a FOP by-law change that would prohibit retirees from voting in FOP elections. Hundreds of retirees showed up at that meetings. It was defeated by a vote of about 598-2. This was Rahm’s attempt to take over control of FOP. It failed. But Rahm did not stop there.
Tom Pleines used to be the FOP lawyer. He got let go. He went to work for the City as Corporation Counsel. And then he mysteriously left city employment and became the general counsel for the CPSA after Ed Maloney left. Jimmy Ade said of Tom “Tom has a vast experience with police contract related issues and will be a welcome member of our Association.” So Rahm has infiltrated the CPSA. Tom found out who was the weak links were and Rahm went to work. And now you know why Ade and Bilotta are so willing to screw over every over every retiree regardless of rank. A job in Fleet Management or Street and Sanitation after retirement?
I am asking all of those retirees who showed up at FOP to attend the OPLEO meeting this Thursday to get Jim Ade’s side of the story. I want to hear why he believes he can cut my pension without any input form those he plans to hurt.
Don Januszyk you have the email address’s of our retirees from the CPSA please send out an email to all of our members informing them of the four locations Jim Ade agreed to appear. To the organizers of the OPLEO meeting maybe you put have some extra chairs in the hall.
2/16/2013 04:59:00 PM
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It only took me three phone calls to verify this. Unfuckling believable.
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To: Sgt. Brian E. Wright, #1575
Pension Board Trustee
As a a retired Sgt. are YOU safeguarding my benefits?
Is it ok with you that Ade wants to take away my cola way for 3 years? That’s a loss of 9%. The other three years it drops from 3% to 2.5 %. That’s a loss of an additional 1.5%. Plus you guys at the CPSA gave away my health care benefit for another 2% loss a year. That means every retiree who left in the last three years looses 12.5% so you can get 5 extra percent. That’s without the city putting in one cent?
Did they teach you any ETHICS when you went to law school?
You are the most useless POS I have ever heard of.
The CPSA kept me in the dark as the pension Rep. but it was ok with me?
Are you lazy, stupid or a sellout?
Ade is a scab for Rahm but as a whore but at least he will be taken care of after he retires.
Why don’t you come out to the four meetings and defend yourself? Convince me that you are not a sellout for Rahm. I’m more pissed at you than the whore Ade because it was your job to protect us from Rahm, Ade and Pleines. Please come out to Orland you f-ing coward.
Sgt. Brian Wright is correct - the Illinois Constitution can be changed without a Constitution Convention by putting a referendum on the next ballot. So our 'constitutionally protected pension right can fly out the door should it be put to a vote.
So ask yourself - with the way people feel about police and government workers in general, how the Civic Committee and Illinois is Broke have been pounding the drumbeat about government pensions - do you really think that it would be that hard for 60% of voters statewide (think about those people in collar counties and in southern Illinois) to vote for an amendment cutting our pension guarantees?
They'd do it in a heart beat!
Brother of CPD -
You make some very good points but it's still crappy to change the rules in the middle of the game.
Can you get your heads out of your collective asses!
The COLA was changed already when Madigan's bill regarding the two tier pension passed a few years ago.
The proposed COLA changes are for NEW retires - it doesn't effect anyone retired already - the people who retire after 1 Jan 2014 would be effected.
Get a flipping clue!
for those of you commenting "the city is broke" Keep drinking the "JIIM ADE". This is from the City of Chicago website....
How has Chicago used TIF funds to improve neighborhoods and promote economic development?
TIF’s have created jobs, strengthened Chicago’s school system, revitalized neighborhoods, boosted the local economy, and improved the quality of life for Chicago residents. TIF expenditures for public improvements like street and sidewalk repairs, parks, and open space account for nearly one-third of TIF expenditures each year. And for every $1 in TIF funding that has been invested in Chicago’s neighborhoods, $6 was invested by the private sector. As a result, $7 billion in private funding has been invested in the City of Chicago as a direct result of TIF investments.
These public-funded TIF investments include:
$762 million over several years to rehabilitate and construct new public schools as part of the Modern Schools Across Chicago plan
$560 million for improvements for streets, alleys, and other neighborhood infrastructure since 1997
$278 million to support nearly 11,000 affordable housing units
$198 million for capital improvements in 2008 alone (including CTA improvements)
$13 million in grants to help more than 400 businesses in more than 40 TIF districts through the Small Business Improvement Fund (SBIF); and
$11.5 million through 181 grants to train 10,417 workers and hire 840 new employees
That is TIF money. Those expenditures are above and beyond the money the city spends through the budget. As has been said by previous people the city finds whatever money it needs for all kinds of bullshit projects when it wants to. Whether it's Maggie Daley Park, a prairie that once was a runway, some scholarship for ILLEGAL ALIENS, or giving a million dollars to a bullshit program like Ceasefire. If you look at the figures the city provides between 2011-2013 the city will collect OVER ONE BILLION DOLLARS IN THE 165 TIF FUNDS. Dont believe me? Add these figures up....
http://www.cityofchicago.org/content/dam/city/depts/dcd/tif/projections/TIF_Projections_Oct2011.pdf
-The city is not broke-
If nothing else just look at some of the ADMINISTRATIVE expenditures for the funds....
SCC, no matter what side your readers are on, I see no proof that the FOP hired a firm to look at this. I see a chart that I could have made up in my basement. There is no letter from this company stating their findings and no logo on the chart from this company. After the crap Shields tried to pull to get the pension reps for the sergeants and the one of the lts, capts, and exempts turned into "At Large" reps where his influence of the 12,000 blue shirts would get his people voted in to all three spots since there are only 1,500 total for the other ranks, I trust him as much as I do Rahm.
Also from what I understand attendance has been horrible at the informational meetings. If people are going to base their vote on blog sites and rumors and the news media then they deserve what happens either way.
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His idea for the pension board was a good one. Look at the rep for the retirees and for the Captains and LT's. They CONSTANTLY vote w/ the city. And the Sgt's rep isn't a whole lot better. Mainly because the first 2 have been bought off. How else do you think DV Urban realty was given pension money? His idea wasn't to snub the other ranks. It was to take away power from the city.
Sometimes it's not about money but about principal. Think of the good of everyone not just your pocket. Vote NO.
You guys are not the quickest. The first deputy is MANAGEMENT! He cannot comment on a contract. That is a violation of federal labor laws!!! Somebody file a grievence! It will.cost.the City millions $$$$$$.
,--Mike.the cityworker
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Based on the actuary provided by your grand fop leader who everyone loves all of a sudden, by 2016 we will put over 146.2 million dollars back into the pension fund. How exactly is that a bad thing? The retired guys have to tighten the belts a bit, that's too bad, because if they don't help out in this, the rest of us will not have a pension, period. Everyone is worried about the "poor" retired guys living on 75,000 a year and not getting cola, I'm worried about my future retirement and not getting anything. You all better get your heads out of the sand and start realizing that our pension is on the verge of going belly up, and if we don't do something to save it ourselves we are all going to be fucked. Get a fucking clue.
2/16/2013 06:53:00 AM
Back in the late 70's or early 80's we had a vote on increasing the contribution to 9.5%. This was offered to allow the COLA to be compounded as opposed to the "one time only" 3%. It was soundly defeated by the younger officers who didn't want the additional monies deducted for the retirees. Now we have [ I believe they're referred to as "hair gels"] like you telling the retirees they have to give a little too. I don't get 75K a year like you said, I'm a wealthy retiree receiving a whooping 46K a year. Remember one thing young man you too may live to 78 like me and have to figure out on how to live on 46K a year and pay for the medications associated with being that age. Try a little compassion you just might feel better.
Just the same each of you remember the two most important things you need to make in Law Enforcement: 1. Make it home. 2. Make friends. Be Safe!!!!!!
Where is the revenue raised by selling the Chicago Skyway ($1.83 billion), underground garages beneath Grant and Millennium Parks ($563 million), and city parking meters ($1.15 billion)? The city of Chicago had over 3 billion dollars and still refused to contribute to the pension funds.
And don't forget, Rahm continues to build on an airport that sees fewer flights (due in part, to higher user fees). Preparing to sell it off too, I guess.
2/16/2013 10:52:00 PM
The money he pissed into malcom x college.
Mayor Rahm Emanuel announces $479 million to support the college to careers initiative, with $251 million for Malcolm X to build the Allied Health Academy. At Malcolm X College. Tuesday, February 21, 2012 | Brian Jackson~Sun-Times
2/16/2013 10:27:00 AM
I hope you never have to testify. Your post is full of factual errors.
If you were born on or before 31 Dec 54, you fall under the statutory non-compounded 3%COLA. If you were born 01 Jan 55, or later, you are not.
It is not a 9% raise in pension contribution; it's a 3% hike, which will bring total mandatory payroll contributions up to 12%.
That being said, the whole proposal is still a travesty. Vote it down.
2/16/2013 07:38:00 PM
The so called "3% raise" is from 9% to 12%. That is 33% because the contribution goes from 9% to 12%.
The raise in contributions is therefore 33% or one third.
Remember when Quinn raised out Illinois Income Tax from 3% to 5%? That was NOT a mere 2% raise. It was an increase from 3% to 5% or a 66% increase.
Math is not a strongpoint here but believe this, the three percentage points increase is, in reality, a 33% increase.
"Hey shit tard, the FOP is required to maintain it's distance from the negotiations of other unions within this department. There's a fucking reason why the FOP doesn't represent supervisory ranks, and it's due to their knowledge that the rank and file blue shirts would piss, moan and scream when they FOP negotiates benefits that WEREN'T obtained for the rank and file. You think they're fucking stupid?
No matter WHO runs the FOP, staying OUT of other union's negotiations is the SMART thing to do. The FOP isn't about to be accused any more than they already are of "being in bed" with management and fucking over their own membership.
Grow the fuck up. When an issue becomes separate and public and affects us all, THEN they can come together ON THAT SINGLE FUCKING ISSUE.
The FOP isn't about to negotiate the Sergeant's contract for them by seemingly adding the weight of the rank and file to get them what they want.
And the "fuck off" lie you shit here? Asshat, declining the obvious implications of dealing with separate unions during their negotiations isn't a "fuck off" as you pretend. It's called "you negotiate your contract and we'll negotiate ours".
And as for CFD not holding little baby's hand while he gets fucked in the ass? I don't blame them a bit. You probably looked like a scared little fucking child to them and they aren't required to man up FOR your ass and do your fucking job pal.
The time has NOW come to stand together, on the SINGLE issue that hits us all, NOT during your fucking negotiations peckerhead.
Must be Ade badmouthing the FOP because they wouldn't bail his fat fucking ass outta fucking up his membership's contract.
Sorry fatfuck, you fucked it up on your own. You shit all over yourself buddy and now your membership is gonna shit on YOU as soon as they can. Congratulations
2/16/2013 03:20:00 PM"
Very eloquent post, you had me at "hey shit tard"
You represent everything I have come to know about the "new" ignorant incompetent FOP.
The fact of the matter is, we are in a serious pension crisis. There is no money. We can complain all we want about how "they" didn't do this or "we" should've done that. This is the environment in which we find ourselves currently deployed. We can vote "no" again and again but something does have to be done and we have to be part of the solution. Standing by and saying "fuck you, pay me" is not going to get the job done. Other states have already addressed the issue of contractually guaranteed pensions and have decided that benefits can be unilaterally changed if they preserve the solvency of the fund. I'm not saying to vote yes on this contract, the issues of the contract and the pension should never have been in the same agreement. What I am saying is that pension reform is coming and we need to be part of the solution or we are going to get a worse agreement than this jammed down our throats.
I still think Shields and the puppet master Gieger are tools!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anyone that didnt see this mess coming and plan accordingly (getting into Def Comp, IRAs, etc) for their future financial wellbeing is a fool. You KNEW you only get 40% of SS if you have enough 1/4s when it's time. You KNEW your pension has been funded at about 40% for a long time. You KNEW your pension system wasn't sustainable for all the obvious reason.
But you assclowns instead chose to focus on your bullshit retro checks every contract. You let the city ass rape you for pennies on the dollar working every type of special employment they could dream up instead of forcing them to hire more cops.
Only now are you starting to open your eyes to the severity of what's about to come down the pipe.
You're all grow ups. Now deal with the problems you chose to ignore. I'm tired of all your fucking whining.
- Brother of CPD
2/16/2013 06:57:00 PM
You sound like the biggest ass clown of all. Do you know what else I KNOW? I KNOW that they've been taking $300.00 every two weeks out of my paycheck for 13 years and they're going to continue to take that amount out and more for another 13-16 years. FYI, $600.00 per month out of your paycheck for 29 years is $208,800 dollars of YOUR OWN MONEY ass clown. Not to mention compound interest on that money over a 29 year period. At 6% average return that's approximately $560,000 and at 10% average return it's almost 1.2 MILLION dollars. This is not even taking into consideration what the city is supposed to be contributing. This is ALL YOUR OWN MONEY ass clown. Now maybe you're okay with giving the city hundreds of thousands of dollars but I'm not. I was never given the option to opt out of this pension fund when I accepted my position with the CPD. They told me we're taking X amount of dollars out of your paycheck for the next 3 decades and when we're done you're going to get pension benefits commensurate with 50%-75% of your pay per month. I'm tired of ass clowns like you thinking it's okay for this city government, state government, and federal government to steal money from us. I'll tell you what, they don't have to give me my pension. Just give me back what I put in to it for the last 13 years with compound interest and stop taking $600.00 per month out of my paycheck and I'll put the money in my deferred comp and up my contributions to it by $600.00 per month. I'll be better off. Ass clown.
1) I hope it passes. I'm paying $680 a month for retiree healthcare. If I only have to two percent I will save $500 a month.
2/16/2013 09:07:00 AM"
You fucking idiot. Your INDIVIDUAL healthcare costs right now are ZERO dollars as a retiree age 55+. If this is approved you will pay 2% of your annuity. You will still pay ADDITIONAL FOR FAMILY COVERAGE!
2) The 1st deputy can babble on all he wants, we have a RIGHT to comment on the non-contractual issues about the pension changes. Al, you are a stupid, stupid man.
Anonymous said...
I hope it passes. I'm paying $680 a month for retiree healthcare. If I only have to two percent I will save $500 a month.
2/16/2013 09:07:00 AM
Until they raise it to 3 percent, then 4 percent, etc.
Get it?
Unfortunately - the guy that used to be the Sgts rep was the guy who voted against Vanecko ie DV - the new guy? He write a column and claims he knows nothing about what the sergeants board was negotiating. Really - are we that stupid?
Anonymous said...
Get rid of gold braid pensions, that would save millions right there.
2/16/2013 11:41:00 PM
Completely agree. Top tier should be lieutenant rank, with the exception of suuperintendent. If someone makes it through the ranks to supe, reward them for it. Otherwise, stop it at lieutenant.
Well said. The State has all but admitted they can stem the bleeding just by doing away with compounded-interest COLAs. WE have never had that luxury.
But, I disagree on your assessment of our pension fund being hurt by inflation.
In the event of retail inflation, our investments will not remain at a stagnant rate; they will ALSO grow. The thing to fear, as we all learned about seven years ago, is when the inflation bubble BURSTS and bottoms out.
2/16/2013 08:19:00 PM
I did not mean that the pension fund would be hurt by inflation, but the individual pensioners will suffer when inflation takes off and they do not get any cost of living increases. The interest rate is kept artificially low right now by the Fed, but that ( according to ecomomists) can only last two more years. Imagine inflation rate of 4-5% ayear ( it is now 2-3 % annually) for the next next ten years and you do not get any cost of living raise? That will hurt.
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