UUW Charges?
- A University of Illinois at Chicago staffer has been placed on administrative leave after she brought a legally purchased handgun to work because she didn't want to leave it at home while her house was being renovated, a UIC spokesman said.
A judge set bail at $25,000 Wednesday for Kathleen Loviscek, 55, according to the Cook County sheriff's office. She is expected in court again on Feb. 19.
Loviscek, of Westmont, was charged with unlawful use of a weapon, a felony, said UIC spokesman Bill Burton.
“There was no apparent intent or threat,’’ Burton said. “It was never brandished nor was it loaded.’’
So a legally purchased weapon, cased and unloaded, is grounds for a felony charge now?
And this popped up in the comment section:
And this popped up in the comment section:
- 016th District warrior locked up a guy after returning from gun range for having an unloaded carbine in his trunk. Legal, but not in Chicago. Way to go, soldiers of Rahm.
Unloaded and inaccessible to the driver - another UUW charge? Not to mention a seeming violation of at least one Constitutional Amendment.
CrimeFile covers the UIC incident over at his blog. We'll entertain a civil discourse over here.
CrimeFile covers the UIC incident over at his blog. We'll entertain a civil discourse over here.
Labels: gun issues
posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
199 Comments:
Some overzealous ASA trying to sandbag a working individual. Way to go, turbo! This county is so ass backwards.
In both instances and assuming that both gun owners were respectful and had a valid FOID card, the Martian police that made the arrests are consumate assholes. For shame, sandbagging jagoffs. Use discretion.
Egad!
Who are the dummies making these wretched arrests?
Or better still...
Which law enforcement management dummies are APPROVING these damned things?
Does ANYBODY know ANYTHING anymore?
I just want to follow this entry
Good job 016 Dist Rangers! Good fucking job!
Way to lock up a true "Bad Guy". A real threat to society.
Did you ever bother to read your job description you hacks?
The whole "Constitution" thing?
You automatons.
Now had they been caught standing on a street corner, or were know gang members or were of brown or black skin color. Anita and the CCSAO wouldn't even bother with this.
Why do we put up with a socialist tyrant in this banana republic where you can follow state law and still get arrested on a municipal violation created by 50 idiots, some of whom are gang members?
i couldn't get a felony uuw for dude in a car weapon unloaded but had cannabis on his person. wtf. the beatings will continue until you conform sheeple.
For believers of the Second Amendment, why would you lock up a law-abiding citizen with an unloaded gun? did they actually get felony approval? And the admission ??
That's thirsty for a pinch.
Hopefully some national organization with the resources will take this to the SCOTUS, and they rule against the arrest.
Follow the rules, be a good citizen, practice at the range and then put your stuff in a case in your trunk. Then you drop off your friends in Chicago and some asshole cops stop you and make a criminal out of you because you didn't realize that you were no longer in America, but in a dictatorship run by a strongman who violates the Constitution.
The cops that put the case on that guy with the carbine should be ashamed of themselves for violating the rights of an American citizen and doing the dirty work of the socialists. Shame on you. We have a Constitution for a reason, but I guess you slept through that class, traitors.
How did they get felony charge approved? the gun was unloaded and in a case??
Or was it because she was a white woman and they didn't want to be seen as rejecting charges because of that political correctness crap?
don't say it was the UIC police? arent most of them chicago police working part time?
In a city where the dictator in charge can tear up a runway in the middle of the night and risk the lives of any pilot coming in to land, where a handgun ban clearly violating the Second Amendment stood for a quarter of a century, and where a citizen can follow the laws of the state and get arrested and have his property stolen by the city, the people have a RIGHT to revolt.
Did our Founding Fathers not revolt for MUCH LESS?
FREE KATHLEEN LOVISCEK
(lawn signs, bumper stickers, etc.)
Anyone else get denied to sit with the panel writing the new police exam? They're looking for police to provide advise on questions to be asked on the exam. They came to roll call asking for volunteers, so I signed up. A few days later i received a letter stating I was not needed because I am "white"! They are only looking for minority input on the test. Their's got to be others. Can anyone scan the letter and post it?
Let's see here. The British came to the colonies and wanted to take the guns from Americans, kick in their doors to go through their private property and tax the citizens unfairly. Those Americans revolted at the risk of everything they owned and their own lives.
In Chicago, the midget mayors steal, lie, ban guns in violation of the Constitution, tax the citizens into the poor house, send their goons out to arrest innocent Americans exercising their Constitutional rights and...the citizens re-elect them.
What's wrong with this picture?
Im going to take a guess who the 016 district hard charger is. Might he be the one who locks up POs mothers for traffic violations?
G*d Dam, isn't there any discretion left in this job?
You can't really talk to liberals about gun rights because they're brain dead. They hear gun and shut off what little cognitive power they have. The only time they'll entertain anything to do with guns is if they're in the hands of socialist revolutionaries like Che, or like the picture of ObaMAO with the shotgun. What a horridly bad propaganda attempt. Then again, when you only have to fool an idiot...
Haven't you heard? The U.S. Constitution doesn't apply here in communist Chicago. The glorious leader does what he wants and has fifty bobbing heads telling him what a great job he's doing.
"• 016th District warrior locked up a guy after returning from gun range for having an unloaded carbine in his trunk. Legal, but not in Chicago. Way to go, soldiers of Rahm.
Unloaded and inaccessible to the driver - another UUW charge? Not to mention a seeming violation of at least one Constitutional Amendment."
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Well, it looks like some of us have decided to go lobsterback and work for King George III. Not a shithead. An honest, working guy who was doing no wrong and hurting no one. Enjoy your honorable mention officers. You have brought shame on the names of your families. Did your grandfathers fight tyranny in Europe or Asia in WWII? What would they think of you now? What will you tell your children? "Daddy took away a right given by God almighty from a man today and put him in jail, sleep tight little one, daddy was only following orders". Hang your head in shame, you are no policeman. You are going to get hit hard in the lawsuit that is no doubt in the works as you read this. If there is any justice it will all come from your pocket. Im a taxpayer and I dont want to chip in a dime to pull your treasonous ass out of the fire. You have no one to blame but yourself.
Traitor.
The time has come brothers. Which side are you on?
The news reporter was given bad information. The lady was charged with UUW because after a coworker entered her office to tell her that she could not have the gun in her office (on school grounds) she uncased the weapon, held it in her hand, and told her coworker she knew her rights and could carry the gun with her.
How did the coworker know she had the gun? She told several coworkers a week ago (before purchasing the gun) that she planned on buying a gun and brining it to work. She then told several coworkers when she actually brought it with her.
The first thing they'll do is get the guns away from the cops. They'll tell you that you can't carry except at work. Then they'll have this hero cop head the task force to go and grab the guns away from the rest of the citizens. And he'll do it gladly. Because he's not an American, but a follower of tyrants.
Hey 016, dont be on the wrong side of history.
what an idiot, nice job 016 hand job. asshole
I've had felony charges denied by ASA when the gun was found under offenders seat but unloaded. Bull shit! I hope she sues the city and wins.
We need law enforcement officers (both Chicago Police and UIC Police) to start respecting and enforcing the Supreme Law of the Land, the 2nd Amendment, and STOP arresting good citizens for transporting UNLOADED, lawfully owned firearms when it is obvious that there is no criminal intent involved.
If I had encountered such a citizen, I would never have made that arrest, and if a supervisor gave me a direct order to make the arrest, I would refuse to be listed as an "arresting officer" of any kind on the report (the sergeant would be sole arresting), and I would have documented my professional opinion in the narrative that there was no probable cause to make an arrest.
WE as officers have the ability to determine if "probable cause" exists in a given situation.
JUST SAY "YES" to the 2nd Amendment, and REFUSE to enforce Illinois UUW statutes that have already been ruled as un-Constitutional.
INTERESTING ... last year we all got training on citizens' 1st Amendment rights, and we were all told that if we violate others' 1st Amendment rights, we will be left by the Department to hang out and dry. WHY doesn't the Department have the same training on the 2nd Amendment? Because we have a gun-hating Governor, Attorney General, Cook County State's Attorney, Mayor, City Council, and multiple members of the CPD Command Staff, that ALL DESPISE the 2nd Amendment gun rights that are guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution, and upheld by recent court rulings.
• 016th District warrior locked up a guy after returning from gun range for having an unloaded carbine in his trunk. Legal, but not in Chicago. Way to go, soldiers of Rahm.
Sickening another heroic sheepdog...
Is this his only gun arrest?
Well they need to pose over tables of guns dont they?
Its not like they can get those kinds of guns from criminals.
Follow the rules, be a good citizen, practice at the range and then put your stuff in a case in your trunk. Then you drop off your friends in Chicago and some asshole cops stop you and make a criminal out of you because you didn't realize that you were no longer in America, but in a dictatorship run by a strongman who violates the Constitution.
2/15/2013 12:49:00 AM
Dictatorship. When one stepped down, after a silent coup, another took over.
Be very afraid, people; Rahm is about to realize he can never have the White House, so he will set his sights on 'mayor for life'.
get used to it thats the way it works especially for you 15yr plus guys, this is the future of the department.
How the fuck is having an unloaded rifle in your trunk, provided you have a FOID card, illegal?
I'm serious. I have lot's of people ask me how to legally transport weapons and I've alwys told them as long as the weapon is unloaded and otherwise legal you can transport it in the trunk of your car. If it's an SUV you need to break it down or lock the mechanism open to render it inoperable but in the fucking trunk?
What's the actual law? I honestly don't know I guess?
Maximo said...
Some overzealous ASA trying to sandbag a working individual. Way to go, turbo! This county is so ass backwards.
I didn't know ASAs made traffic stops in 16? Before you go crapping on an ASA, remember that a cop brought him in on the charge.
What is the "law" if a friend or family member drops me off after a hunting trip? How about for out of state relatives where no gun card is required or issued?
But State Senator Donne Trotter gets caught trying to board an airplane with a loaded handgun and it's a misdemeanor? The Cook County Judicial System strikes again, not to mention a dick move by the 016th Dist. PO.
With all the shit moving into 016 some hero chose to harass this guy??? Sounds like he's got a future as a white shirt in McDumbfuck's vision of CPD.
01:17:00 AM answered my question about the woman at UIC, but I still wonder about the guy with the carbine. How would someone know you have a gun? I'm a member of both the ISRA and NRA and like most of you, I get bumper stickers etc. on a regular basis. Why would someone advertise that there's a fair chance they have a weapon in their vehicle? I (not a cop) tell very few people that I even own any guns. Be safe.
So according to Feinstein, Bloomberg, and the others who want destroy America, (and exempt themselves from the law they legislate). Guns are "bad" and for the children (of course its always about the children) we must give up our guaranteed right to bear arms. Do these people think that carry laws means every shitbird will suddenly legally buy a gun$$$, with a valid FOID and purchase a carry permit$$$, pay for classes$$$, then pass the classes, simply to rob one 711? OR will the criminal continue his predictable nature of burglarizing homes untill he finds a gun to do the same crime. HMMM lets think about this, power junkies. The violent criminal, intending on committing a violent crime will very very likely commit lesser crimes to reach his goal. Normal people dont do this. Normal people have that silly thing instilled by Christianity, family structure, responsibility, called a CONSCIENCE! Power junkies, do you find it coincidental that the programs that YOU create, destroy religion, family structure, and responsibility? When those are gone, no conscience = thoughtless crime. You created these monsters, and now its convenient to blame the gun, not only because it gives you just that much more power, it also paints gun owners as those ignorant ones who "cling to guns and religion". And why do you exempt yourself from the very gun bans you create? Is that for the children too?
There are many things pimpy that we lock people up for. Question, was the carbine in 16 possessed/owner by a thug or someone that a "607" federal workup would deem problemic?
And no, Republican/Libertarian mindset is not problemic?
Carry and conceal Law can't pass fast enough! This is a clear violation of the 2nd amendment to the U.S. Constitution! I hope those folks sue the pants off this communists city!
I'll hope there is more to the story since these don't even meet the elements for uuw.
The rest of you continue to wear tin foil hats and throw other coppers under the bus immediately based on media reports.
Outrageous abuse by UIC police and any department that charges anyone for "violating" an unconstitutional ordinance or law. This does nothing to stop the rampant violence that has infected many parts of Chicago. Good people ought to stand up and object to Illinois' and Chicago's draconian gun laws that impinge upon peaceful citizens but have no effect on Thug.
Did our Founding Fathers not revolt for MUCH LESS?
2/15/2013 12:55:00 AM
our Founding Fathers didn't have empty headed cops enforcing communist created, bullshit rules upon generationally conditioned to obey without question, well fed sheeple as neighbors.
What's wrong with this picture?
2/15/2013 01:01:00 AM
then, there were no police, no supermarkets, no guvment cheese, no hot and cold running water, no gas fired central heating, no air conditioning, no manufacturing machinery, no electric powered anything, no communications but word of mouth and hand delivered, hand written parchments, no transportation but walk, run or ride a horse, if you have one, no human turned to insect thinking masses, clustered in hive like enclaves, manipulated by king and queen antbrains, etc......
we've devolved into insects, even 'sheeple' is giving too much credit to too many.
so, in comparing the people of our Founding Fathers time to present company, you're comparing humans to less than humans, in many cases, far less than humans and, in too many cases, less than mammals.
Darwin may have gotten it backwards.
The news reporter was given bad information. The lady was charged with UUW because after a coworker entered her office to tell her that she could not have the gun in her office (on school grounds) she uncased the weapon, held it in her hand, and told her coworker she knew her rights and could carry the gun with her.
How did the coworker know she had the gun? She told several coworkers a week ago (before purchasing the gun) that she planned on buying a gun and brining it to work. She then told several coworkers when she actually brought it with her.
2/15/2013 01:17:00 AM
bullshit.
INTERESTING ... last year we all got training on citizens' 1st Amendment rights, and we were all told that if we violate others' 1st Amendment rights, we will be left by the Department to hang out and dry. WHY doesn't the Department have the same training on the 2nd Amendment? Because we have a gun-hating Governor, Attorney General, Cook County State's Attorney, Mayor, City Council, and multiple members of the CPD Command Staff, that ALL DESPISE the 2nd Amendment gun rights that are guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution, and upheld by recent court rulings.
2/15/2013 03:17:00 AM
what's really interesting is that the entire Constitution and Bill of Rights isn't specifically taught by any government agency to any of their law enforcement employees.
Is this his only gun arrest?
2/15/2013 03:43:00 AM
he has a valid foid.
are you questioning the accuracy of the State Police foid administration?
Dictatorship. When one stepped down, after a silent coup, another took over.
Be very afraid, people; Rahm is about to realize he can never have the White House, so he will set his sights on 'mayor for life'.
2/15/2013 04:40:00 AM
life is fleeting.
Chalkie
Guns are not welcome on any school grounds.
Typical for the UIC Police. The department has been run into the ground by the political hack John Richardson and his cronies. Patrol has been gutted, there is no equipment, broken cars, hiring of friends kids who are an empty uniform, all the while granting the top brass raises and take home cars. The department has turned into a joke. There are Breeds running around ABLA with guns but those cops are told to turn a blind eye, but then turn around and arrest this woman.
From what I hear, the decision to arrest was COMMANDED by the Chief himself. Probably because she was white. After all, don't want to look like UIC Police harass only blacks.
You could probably make a whole blog like this for UIC Police, from all the stories I hear from my buds who are cops there. It's like a case study in cronyism and political corruption. Do a little digging, and you'll find that UIC and UC are two of the most fucked up police departments in the state, run by egotistical failures from CPD.
I know plenty of asshole coppers in other districts that would have done the same thing. They've been conditioned their entire lives to believe no one should have a firearm. Most have lived their entire lives in the "Chicago Bubble" with an occasional trip to Mexico, Ireland, Poland or Wisconsin. These assholes will never change.
At least I feel a little better that it was not working CPD cops that did this to the women but rather the U of I rent-a-cops.
Name the cop. That is complete bullshit. What if theses situations were family of yours. Have some common sense out there oficers
Civil are suits gonna be expensive
What in the hell is wrong with these police officers? A year ago a man who resided in a right to carry state approached me and said he wanted to bring his family to visit downtown Chicago for the weekend. He asked if he'd get in trouble if he carried his weapon. He was nervous because of all the ghetto wildings downtown. My response was that he has a right to protect his family. I told him if he's a law abiding, decent citizen, carry the weapon so he can be ready if shithead attacks him and his family. Some officers may disagree with me but I don't care. Decent people shouldn't have to be prey to the "honor students" who roam the streets. If I stopped someone with a weapon in their car who had no record, is from a right to carry state, who is a decent, law abiding citizen, I'm not locking them up. I don't blame good people for wanting protection in this shit city.
Everyone knows that it is perfectly alright to shoot out street lights when drunk though.
UIC cop here. I can't say what I'd really like to say about all this, because the department would probably pull IP addresses just so they could try and fuck me for having an opinion not in line with the bosses. I just ask that you CPD guys and gals that we work side by side with in 012 realize that not all of us come to work every day and go full retard.
Some outside unit visiting 003 last week locked up a M/2 from Lindenhurst who was returning from the range with an unloaded and cased carbine in his trunk. The charge was MCC un-registerable firearm.
How is that possible? A person can't drive through Chicago if their guns aren't registered in Chicago?
Anonymous said...
Anyone else get denied to sit with the panel writing the new police exam? They're looking for police to provide advise on questions to be asked on the exam. They came to roll call asking for volunteers, so I signed up. A few days later i received a letter stating I was not needed because I am "white"! They are only looking for minority input on the test. Their's got to be others. Can anyone scan the letter and post it?
2/15/2013 12:58:00 AM
YOU said YOU 'received' the letter, why don't YOU post it. As a matter of fact, copy it and send to every conservative media as local media will just bury it.
But, maybe you'd rather have someone else do the actual work and put their necks out while you complain, or is this just bs and there is no such letter.
First, the UIC police are a full-time, statutorily created police force. There are no part-time CPD working there. Second, the arrest was good. The offender was showing it around. Not smart, not a responsible gun owner.
Nice going heroes! You mean to tell me you can't tell the good guys from the bad guys! You have no business being the police if you can't. Broke the law? Fuck the law its bullshit. Are you trying to suck up to Supt. McWhatthefuckshisname? Keep up the good work and have everyone hating your sorry asses...good and bad.
Here is the problem I see with some of us. We all talk about guns being good for personal protection, etc but the same guys will lock up a regular citizen transporting a gun home from the range??? I have seen it before, completely fucking ridiculous. I'm sorry but I'm not violating a persons 2nd amendment rights just to get a fucking head and tell the other guys how great you are because you got a gun. You're in fact a fucking moron and the reason the good, law abiding citizens can't even stand us
Anonymous said...
Anyone else get denied to sit with the panel writing the new police exam? They're looking for police to provide advise on questions to be asked on the exam. They came to roll call asking for volunteers, so I signed up. A few days later i received a letter stating I was not needed because I am "white"! They are only looking for minority input on the test. Their's got to be others. Can anyone scan the letter and post it?
2/15/2013 12:58:00 AM
You got the letter, but you want somebody else to scan it and post it? What's wrong with you?
Not surprised. 016th district po's sit in residential alleys in Forest Glen to catch homeowners "going the wrong way" down the alley to their own garages. Or on Cicero to catch speeders coming off the Edens. All to make more ill0gotten money for this city. Wake up.
Anonymous said...
The news reporter was given bad information. The lady was charged with UUW because after a coworker entered her office to tell her that she could not have the gun in her office (on school grounds) she uncased the weapon, held it in her hand, and told her coworker she knew her rights and could carry the gun with her.
How did the coworker know she had the gun? She told several coworkers a week ago (before purchasing the gun) that she planned on buying a gun and brining it to work. She then told several coworkers when she actually brought it with her.
2/15/2013 01:17:00 AM
Her co-worker was wrong to tell her she could not have the gun that the Second Amendment gives her a right to possess. She was correct when she said that she knew her rights. You are a socialist gun grabber working as a stooge for tyrants. Any more excuses you want to throw up here? I'll bet if she was a communist terrorist like Bill Ayers, nothing would have happened to her. Go fuck yourself, traitor.
There may be more to this story then we know, how did they know she had the gun with her? What is her mental state?
Most of us know many a civilian who carry a loaded gun as they work in some of the shit neighborhoods as long as they're decent folks with an FOID we turn a blind eye. If they have an out of state concealed card I figure at least they had a background check which makes them cleaner then the politicians running this asylum.
Join the NRA today. Life membership for only $300 and you as law enforcement get a $25,000 life insurance policy free of charge as well as $10,000 in insurance for injury or theft/damage of weapons during shooting events or hunting. Worth every penny to fight this asshole city and its socialist gun grabbers.
Reminds me of the blue jean lone rangers in my district. One got a Daisy BB rifle one day from a kid. The goofy cop paraded it around the interview area like the Dallas sheriff did going through the hall with the Mannlicher Kennedy rifle. Some trophy.
To the copper that sandbagged this guy - YOU ARE A TOOL AND ASSHOLE! Keep doing Rahm and MaCarthy's bidding. There will come a day when they will throw you under the bus. You are just too stupid to realize it.
Gives them some more crap to tell the girlfriend and locals at the tavern... But oh honey, didn't you have to take your big gun out to arrest her? No baby she went peacefully. We sure have some yo-yo cops on this department.
Well as an avid reader of this blog, I wonder how regardless of the report that she uncased the weapon and held it in her hand. And that a co-worker was invovled that this gets a felony and she gets the bail that they through at her as opposed to the hundreds of Gnag Banging Thugs that get run through the Cook County system every week.
I sure hope someone contacted the ISRA and the NRA on her behalf to deal with this blatant racism and abuse of power...
Nice pinch, jag-off(s)!
This is the problem with our department. We criticize the media daily and then assume they're 100% accurate when they talk about us.
In my experience the CCSAO denies anything that isn't a guaranteed conviction so there has to be more. If the gun was never brandished, how did UIC police or anyone else get involved?
I want to see where this one goes.
Did you guys read the whole story. The media was spreading rumors that the lady barricaded herself in an office or part of the building and there was a standoff with the police. WTF Great reporting of news. The lady had it unloaded and in a case. How in the hell did they get felony charges approved? Or did they?
We stop a shithead with a loaded gun in the car with the serial numbers filed off. Says he is a security guard and on his way home. Ask when did you get off he says 2000hrs. Its now 0230. We bring him in tried to get felony charges because the serial numbers were filed off. Guess what, ASA said no unless he says he admits he took numbers off, and it didn't matter he has X amount of time to get home from work. Being in possession of a weapon with the serial numbers filed off didn't matter I guess.
Whole city is backwards and county is worse. Cant wait to leave, only have 4 years left.
Add 2 more recovered street weapons of mass destruction to McStats Astonishing TV Press Conference Show.
Amazing results from an Amazing Pitchman.
Only Billy "Oxy-Clean" Mays could sell this b.s. better.
The news reporter was given bad information. The lady was charged with UUW because after a coworker entered her office to tell her that she could not have the gun in her office (on school grounds) she uncased the weapon, held it in her hand, and told her coworker she knew her rights and could carry the gun with her.
How did the coworker know she had the gun? She told several coworkers a week ago (before purchasing the gun) that she planned on buying a gun and brining it to work. She then told several coworkers when she actually brought it with her.
OK and compare those statements to what Pokie says when ou find that un-loaded or loaded Glock
I guarantee the scumbag from 016 took a pic of the gun and will show his friends (if he even has any) the type of gun he recovered and try to make himself out to be "the real police" getting guns and what not. He will however never mention that he fucked over a decent law abiding citizen. It's probably the first gun he's gotten in a long time. I really wish I knew who you are you pos.
Chicago is a dying city that cannot be saved.
And that's that folks. I am certain that the
Madigan's will find a way to avoid CCWs.
Very sad that a beautiful city is lost due to corruption,
being broke, gangs that are a threat to every
citizen, taxation,, a legal system that is
a revolving door for felons, and on and on with
the same BS. It is lost. Tourism will decline. World
media is now publishing terrible articles about the
dangers of Chicago. The blame goes to many but
start with democratic machine. You voted
them in time after time so deal with a lost
ciity...CHICAGO!!!
MS
"Or was it because she was a white woman and they didn't want to be seen as rejecting charges because of that political correctness crap?"
2/15/2013 12:53:00 AM
Have to use any opportunity to make a big public example out of people from a demographic group that is normally almost invisible in the crime statistics.
"Be very afraid, people; Rahm is about to realize he can never have the White House..."
2/15/2013 04:40:00 AM
This was on TV last night, "if Hilary (!) ran she would beat Rahm, and Rahm isn't loyal to many but he's loyal to the Clintons."
"...so Rahm will set his sights on 'mayor for life'."
...or just Daley/Jarrett-style "influence for life," working from 50 different corporate boards and NGOs and "consulting firms," etc.
Elected or not doesn't really matter anymore.
Also this week an area central sat team did a search warrant in 016 on a guy for a .25 cal I believe. Same thing, citizen with no history, just thirsty jags wanting the gun pinch. I'm surprised too because I know guys on that team that I thought were better than that.....
"In both instances and assuming that both gun owners were respectful and had a valid FOID card..."
2/15/2013 12:14:00 AM
...and keep in mind that paperwork is paperwork, and it can be insuperable for someone facing MORE IMPORTANT THINGS IN LIFE, say, illness in the family.
Does the law actually do any good, or is it just designed as a booby trap, criminalizing one person while another sits literally across the street in plain sight, doing the same harmless thing with impunity?
"Use discretion."
Agreed.
To P.O. Randy Stevens, 018 District said...
Excellent analysis. Agree with everything you said. Police took an oath of office to uphold the Constitution. Apparently some have forgotten that the 2nd amendment was included in that oath. Leave the tax paying, law abiding citizens alone and concentrate your efforts on locking up bad guys.
I'm not sure if I missed it, but most of the articles I've read don't mention what the guy was originally stopped for? If he was pulled over for some traffic violation, do P.O.'s have the right to ask him to open the trunk? If so, then we really are living in the new Nazi Germany.
"Rahm is about to realize he can never have the White House, so he will set his sights on 'mayor for life'..."
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I don't know... I wouldn't put it passed the obaminator to (at the last second) throw Hillary under the bus, and back 'Black Swan 9.5' for president in 2016! Just a thought...
hmmm 2nd amendment was put in place to protect citizens from the goverment. Gee we have the the goverment (City county state )taking away people`s guns.wont that make it easier or safer for the politcans to to take away your Pension
Would like to know more about the UUW arrest of the guy with the carbine in his trust...was he a Chicago Resident? Did he have a FOID? sounds like he was some guy just making his way home from the range getting jacked up by cops looking for stats.
To the one cop in 16, go fuck yourself asshole. To the rest of the CPD I don't envy the job you do, dealing with thugs everyday. Be careful.
We have a jag-ball on 009 who wouldn't think twice about doing either of these arrests just so he could run around saying how many guns he got. Funny thing is he's too much of a pussy to confront dude for his gun just goes after the law abiding ones. Hey D.T. there's a reason why nobody likes you. I would love to know for what reason the hard charger in 016 had for going into the trunk? You've got gangs shooting & robbing all over portage park now and you want to screw with a guy for what I'm going to assume is an unconstitutional failure to register city charge? Sounds like we've got pussies in all districts!
Hello Supreme Court
Would you rather chase a mutt down an alley for a UUW or search cars and offices in a nice, safe, clean, neighborhood?
If you meet them, please give the arresting officers a verbal enema - that they so richly deserve.
I can only pray that there are some pro bono attys out there that want to sue the city for some BIG BUCKS in re this matter
yes it takes time but the city will settle and these are constitutionally winnable...the laws now have become quagmires of confusion and inconsistancy, even working pos don't know the laws they swore to protect.
The citizens in Illinois can't keep track of national, county, state, and city laws without becoming criminals. The laws are creating criminals out of ALL gun owners.
except aldermen.
common sense is gone
Yet rahm stated last night that the "blow job sign" downtown runs into first amendment issues. And cant touch it, and the alderman too. Too bad for the researcher at UIC though. Like they said once u enter this shithole its no longer America, its safer than that! Oh dont worry the police are coming, coming for you!
1st ammendment infringes on gang enforcement if you are pos.
so the city dumped gang crimes, intel, disbanded, and stop and frisk laws. further warning pos NOT to infringe with gang rights to assemble, even on corners, parks, etc. HAnds off. The 1st ammendment GO. is near a quarter of an inch thick.
thus gangs flourish and killings soar.
2nd ammendment is an easier target.
that's the one the city chooses to violate because the guns can't talk.
Ironically the guns can't shoot themselves either.
go figure.
Who's pulling the triggers??? DUH !
If I were Gary (God forbid) I'd want the nickname of McGangbuster
rather than McWhiskey head or Mc streetlight sniper
What was his probable cause for the stop and search of the mans vehicle? As we all know unless they are going thru a red light or stop sign which are only traffic violations and NO cause for a search of the vehicle. What DWB, DWM, was he a gang banger, I can see this Officer paying heavy punitive damages for his actions. Hope you documented your actions and cause because I been to federal court and the city's attorneys are finest and cheapest they can find to defend you, and when and I mean when they settle with out telling you officer you are still liable for punitive damages out of your pocket and the FOP will NOT represent you as you were on duty and covered by corporation council!
So if their is a next time think before you act I lost over 15,000 USC because my partner wanted to stop the guy because he looked funny!
Been there will NEVER do it again!
Wow. It's amazing how many of you guys jump on the bandwagon before checking out the facts. There is NO carbine inventoried in the 16th district since 01jan. Before you start MF-ing other coppers. Verify first.
There were many of us who wonder where do cops like the POS Christopher Dorner come from. These are the ilk that come into our ranks, disregarding their oaths to our Constitution. Shameful behavior by Progressives who will destroy our Department. These same people will happily follow their 'Dear Leaders' directives when it comes to disarming us for their Leftist Utopia.
Confiscate the guns of the two officers.
016 District officer but Not my entire career said:
Please use your second amendment rights! shot and kill these savages that have come to the homeland only to rob and pillage our neighborhoods. I am going to do the same General Offense Case Report just a different UCR Code!
I bet the coppers have some SWEET pictures on their phones!!! Maybe even posing with evil rifle!!
Great work you fucking assholes. I hope it comes back to haunt you.
If this gun was in the trunk I would love to know the reasoning for why they found it.
Fuck you have a fucking brain.
12:55 AM
Speaking of REVOLTS, why did the federal government recently purchase 1.6 BILLION (1,600,000,000) hollow point bullets? You don't use hollow points for target practice on the range.
legally purchased, unloaded and cased. And they got a felony approved? Sound like your not getting the whole story. Id like to read the reports Before I make a decision..
Way to go kids. By your own ignorance ou've all concluded that this is an upstanding citizen that respects the police and the officers were out of line. That is why this job, thanks the the many rookies hired within the last ten years, is going down the toilet. You do not have each others backs. You are all back stabbers. Once again this blog has shown another example of the professionalism and maturity of the now average officer on this department.
SCC, as much as you and your fellow officers like to say they support 2A, it is always the cops who enforce the laws. As much as you like to blame the politicians and the ASAs, it is always the cops who arrest people when they could look the other way.
we fight tooth and nail to get charges approved with felony review serveral times a week. charges on criminals with thick rap sheets, multiple violent felonies in their background, gang members with wrong intentions but to lock a 55 year old woman up for using her head and not leaving the gun in the house where it would have most likely been used or stolen due to the circumstances, come on guys! It was unloaded and cased up too.
Since when do we advocate deciding which laws we enforce and which we dont? If its illegal its illegal. If that same citizen was a gang banger with a rifle in his trunk bought legally do we arrest him with the MCC Charge I hope so.
Are these cops staking out gun stores with target ranges?
Are they paying off snitches?
"May I search your trunk sir?"
Reply, "No you may not, has that just been audio/video recorded? I'd like to leave now."
don't say it was the UIC police? arent most of them chicago police working part time?
2/15/2013 12:53:00 AM
No the UIC have their own department run by a couple of merit gold stars that retired from Chicago. But if I recall correctly bringing a firearm onto state supported land will net you a serious charge. I wonder how she was found out? The UIC police even threatened to arrest off duty police officers taking classes on the campus if they were armed.
How did they get felony charge approved? the gun was unloaded and in a case??
Or was it because she was a white woman and they didn't want to be seen as rejecting charges because of that political correctness crap?
don't say it was the UIC police? arent most of them chicago police working part time?
2/15/2013 12:53:00 AM
No.
Learn the difference between UIC and U of C. Ill give you a hint. Don't be blown away when somebody has a degree from UIC.
What kind of a fucking asshole police officer would do this to a honest citizen? You want to fuck with people then fuck with the gang bangers, the dope dealers, the pimps, the career criminals. As a police officer I want to apologize to the citizen that was arrested for having a carbine in his trunk. I want other citizens to know that not all police officers are agents for the state. We are agents for the people. There is a huge difference.
Anonymous said...
How did they get felony charge approved? the gun was unloaded and in a case??
Or was it because she was a white woman and they didn't want to be seen as rejecting charges because of that political correctness crap?
don't say it was the UIC police? arent most of them chicago police working part time?
2/15/2013 12:53:00 AM
This trend has gone on for a very long time. They want to "socially engineer a specific end result". If a white or Asian is caught in legal trouble and if felony charges are applicable then 100% of the time they are going to charge that person with a felony. The reason is they want to throw those to under represented groups into the criminal justice system so the statistical data is more equal. You gotta love liberalism; if you don't like the current results then socially engineer the end result to your liking. Equality rocks!
One of the commenters at CrimeFile said:
"It's all a crock of shit and she's only being prosecuted because she is white and needs to be made an example of."
That's my feeling too. Someone is so sick of arresting people named Treyshawn and Dontrell and Jose that they're positively giddy at nailing a plain old white person.
Cop in 18 I agree with your statement! Some of our fellow officers lack COMMON SENSE!!!!
Officer in 8
To be honest, stuff like this makes more worried to have a gun in the city limits. If there was a gun range in the city limits and I was legally transporting my weapon (in a locked case, with trigger lock) unloaded, I'd still feel like I'd be harassed for deviating from the path from range to the home. It's like you're set up to be punished for trying to be a good citizen.
civilian in 1834
Lol at Northside's "Martian police."
We see what you did... :^)
How ever made these two arrests should be very proud of themselves. You acted in the true tradition of the police profession.
Now get back to writing cracked windshields you fucking sandbaggers.
Can anyone scan the letter and post it?
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Get lost troll.
The arrest in 016 seems to be a classic case of "Poisoned Fruit."
There's nowhere for any involved p.o. or supervisor to run and hide on this one.
I've had felony charges denied by ASA when the gun was found under offenders seat but unloaded.
2/15/2013 02:34:00 AM
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How did you justify the search?
And I hope the coppers that made these pinches are very proud of themselves. There's a couple CB numbers that you can brag about.
I smell BIG money on the lawsuit against the city for violating one's Civil Rights. That means federal court, not the Cook County Court of Clowns and sideshow acts (think Brim).
I wonder who they will bring out of the City Bull Pen to try to deflect that case?
It really doesn't matter. I do not take that type of case on, but the way the facts are laid out, a blind paralegal could win it against the city.
I feel sorry for the officers. Did you ever read the Constitution boys? (or girls)
I feel worse for those who have to work with them. Inept is only a beginning description.
Oh well, another day in Chicago. Good thing Monday is a holiday and the courts are closed.
Next case - Tuesday.
We know the U of I employee story is true but until we see some documentation of the alleged incident in 016 maybe we should stop with the name calling and accusations.
This is what happens when people are more worried about numbers than police work.
I took an oath, I intend to keep it.
Be safe brothers and sisters.
what about a retired CPD copper?
are we going to be screwed as well?
Years ago we stopped a guy who had two unloaded shotguns and a coulpe of dead ducks in the truck on Bt1032. We laughed and he thanks us as he drove home. Nuff said, right?
Hell no, the tac team makes a gun pinch after setting off the burg alarm and upon the owner responding to the scene, arrests and charge the owner of El Tornia (26/Ridgeway) with UUW.
Anonymous said...
Anyone else get denied to sit with the panel writing the new police exam? They're looking for police to provide advise on questions to be asked on the exam. They came to roll call asking for volunteers, so I signed up. A few days later i received a letter stating I was not needed because I am "white"! They are only looking for minority input on the test. Their's got to be others. Can anyone scan the letter and post it?
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Maybe they didn't choose you because your grammar & spelling are atrocious!
Give us the ASA's name. I've been trying to get UUW Felony Charges for years. Oh wait, she's 55 and employed with a legally purchased firearm ! Nevermind ....
Anonymous said...
Anyone else get denied to sit with the panel writing the new police exam? They're looking for police to provide advise on questions to be asked on the exam. They came to roll call asking for volunteers, so I signed up. A few days later i received a letter stating I was not needed because I am "white"! They are only looking for minority input on the test. Their's got to be others. Can anyone scan the letter and post it?
2/15/2013 12:58:00 AM
Why dont you scan and post the letter? You received one
01:17:00 AM answered my question about the woman at UIC, but I still wonder about the guy with the carbine. How would someone know you have a gun? I'm a member of both the ISRA and NRA and like most of you, I get bumper stickers etc. on a regular basis. Why would someone advertise that there's a fair chance they have a weapon in their vehicle? I (not a cop) tell very few people that I even own any guns. Be safe.
Probably because he is a LAW abiding citizen and was trying to be courteous to the officer. You know exactly the type of people you don't want to arrest.
"legally purchased, unloaded and cased. And they got a felony approved? Sound like your not getting the whole story. Id like to read the reports Before I make a decision.."
2/15/2013 12:14:00 PM
agreed......was wondering the same thing.....legal, illegal, probable cause, legal search, etc.?...
The news reporter was given bad information. The lady was charged with UUW because after a coworker entered her office to tell her that she could not have the gun in her office (on school grounds) she uncased the weapon, held it in her hand, and told her coworker she knew her rights and could carry the gun with her.
How did the coworker know she had the gun? She told several coworkers a week ago (before purchasing the gun) that she planned on buying a gun and brining it to work. She then told several coworkers when she actually brought it with her.
Sorry boys and girls, this changes the story. Even if you had ccp in another state, you can't carry a gun on school grounds. Besides, who in their right mind brags about bringing a gun to work? Doesn't she know what the current atmosphere is regarding gun control, let alone guns in schools? Her reasoning is completely understandable, but keep it out of sight and your mouth shut. She put herself in that situation.
RHAMBooooooooooooooo is NOT a friend of the police or America
Chicago is a dying city that cannot be saved.
And that's that folks. I am certain that the
Madigan's will find a way to avoid CCWs.
Very sad that a beautiful city is lost due to corruption,
being broke, gangs that are a threat to every
citizen, taxation,, a legal system that is
a revolving door for felons, and on and on with
the same BS. It is lost. Tourism will decline. World
media is now publishing terrible articles about the
dangers of Chicago. The blame goes to many but
start with democratic machine. You voted
them in time after time so deal with a lost
ciity...CHICAGO!!!
MS
You are 100% correct. Thank God I'm not one of the many "lifer Chicagoans" who foolishly sank so much money into their home before 2007. Now they have no choice but to be stuck here through even shittier times ahead. (And it WILL get shittier!)
Cop was working special wasnt inventoried in 16 ass nut. Check your facts. He works the mighty 16 tact.
Way to go kids. By your own ignorance ou've all concluded that this is an upstanding citizen that respects the police and the officers were out of line. That is why this job, thanks the the many rookies hired within the last ten years, is going down the toilet. You do not have each others backs. You are all back stabbers. Once again this blog has shown another example of the professionalism and maturity of the now average officer on this department.
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And condescending arrogant pricks that call everyone "kid" make this department so much better. Shut up you loser. I'm sure the reason it is all assumed to be true is because most of us have witnessed idiot coppers do this kind of stupid shit. But you were probably always too busy being better than everyone else to have ever seen this type of bullshit.
If someone is carrying an unregisterable firearm, what is the problem? Just playing devils advocate here. I've seen the charge used. It's a valid charge. I don't see any of the facts of the case. The only thing I see is a bunch of coppers who probably weren't there and don't know the facts slamming other coppers. If the guy is from lindenhurst, what range is he coming from if he is in 003? Just asking.
I'm a male white & I got selected for the police exam survey. To the guy who got denied, maybe your district already had a m/2 going.
"Officer" SANDBAG:
May you be a object of ridicule among your co-workers for the rest of your "stellar career".
THE EAGLE DOES NOT HUNT FLIES.
Based on the available information provided on both arrests, neither gun owner would even qualify as a "fly".
12:08 PM:
1.6 BILLION rounds of hollow point bullets? I am neither paranoid nor a "conspiracy theorist". However, this is an ominous and frightening threat to the American people.
"I'm from the government. We're here to help you."
CORRECT RESPONSE: "FUCK YOU!"
Second, the arrest was good. The offender was showing it around. Not smart, not a responsible gun owner.
2/15/2013 08:03:00 AM
keep it secret, keep it safe.
is that what our 2nd Amendment Rights mean to you?
UIC cop here. I can't say what I'd really like to say about all this, because the department would probably pull IP addresses just so they could try and fuck me for having an opinion not in line with the bosses. I just ask that you CPD guys and gals that we work side by side with in 012 realize that not all of us come to work every day and go full retard.
2/15/2013 07:54:00 AM
i'll bet this whole fiasco was driven by the irresistible compulsive fear reactions of the 'teaching' and/or 'administrative' staff.
the eggheads are always in fear of being scrambled.
poor little eggheads, life can be so scary.
Although I hope this just wasn't a thirsty p.o looking for a b.s arrest...Maybe we just dont have all the details about what happened... If the p.o was just that thirsty thats fucked up, and he is a buddy fucker (military term) im starting to see more and more of those on this department.
How is that possible? A person can't drive through Chicago if their guns aren't registered in Chicago?
2/15/2013 07:54:00 AM
Yes they can it's a federal law and even in the city's code. As long as they are travelling through and not staying.
"Speaking of REVOLTS, why did the federal government recently purchase 1.6 BILLION (1,600,000,000) hollow point bullets? You don't use hollow points for target practice on the range..."
2/15/2013 12:08:00 PM
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Add to that an order for 7,000 PDWs (which are select-fire and can shoot FULL AUTO!!!)
I don't know if anyone else has seen the report about DHS conducting Zombie Apocolypse training, and how much it's costing us, the taxpayers! Remember, this is just "practice", but the way I see it, when the real shooting starts, Zombies could just be another term which could easily be replaced with... American CITIZENS!
This doesn't sound like a UUW charge. Sounds like a Municipal code charge. And if it was a violation of someone's rights...how did it get approved by a Lt.? Lemme guess, conspiracy theory?
Its funny that that finkle,who is rich and politically c onnected had 30+ guns on a search warrand and didnt catch a felony in this corrupt fucking city
This is exactly the reason why after retiring I took a PT job with a small village PD.
Not for the money.
To keep asshats who either do not care or know about IROCC to get off my ass.
Way to go kids. By your own ignorance ou've all concluded that this is an upstanding citizen that respects the police and the officers were out of line. That is why this job, thanks the the many rookies hired within the last ten years, is going down the toilet. You do not have each others backs. You are all back stabbers. Once again this blog has shown another example of the professionalism and maturity of the now average officer on this department.
How many "rookies" have been brought on in the last decade?
Really, get each others back no matter what????
You got something that shows the Carbine owner is anything other than law abiding? If so, please tell, if not, STFUU!
NOT a Cop, just watching fron the bush (burbs) wondering if I can ever enjoy Chicago again. PRO LE. May God Bless the hardworking honest in the CPD!
This guy goes into a resturant in 16 with him family OFF DUTY and gets into a piss match with the waitress about gettin a discount.
Amazing to think we're all on the same side. We all know what needs to be there for a felony UUW. I'd bet the media reports are wrong before I'd bet against another PO putting a case on someone. It's not the media, public, or politicians that make this job what it is today. It's us and this shows it. Whatever happened in 16 or at UIC, maybe we should back the officers before joining on the bandwagon. If we don't nobody else will.
Reminds me off all the stroke officers who photo their arrest proceeds. Ie gun, dope, etc. It's usually guys who work in slow districts: 018, 019, 020, etc.
"It's all over now, Baby Blue"....I bet these two hero cops will want to marry each other under the new Illinois law that's fast approaching...what the hell has happened to Chicago...wait, don't answer that...I KNOW!
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I didn't know ASAs made traffic stops in 16? Before you go crapping on an ASA, remember that a cop brought him in on the charge.
Hey goof, who do you think makes the decision on misdemeanor or felony charge??? Get out of the office every so often.
Whose side are you going to be on when we have to fight obongos police?? GOV> didn't buy all those .40 cal rounds for the military. Who were they for? Wake the fuck up, your an Oathtaker, just be an Oathkeeper!
2/15/2013 12:53:00 AM
No the UIC have their own department run by a couple of merit gold stars that retired from Chicago. But if I recall correctly bringing a firearm onto state supported land will net you a serious charge. I wonder how she was found out? The UIC police even threatened to arrest off duty police officers taking classes on the campus if they were armed.
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Fuck that. If you are an off duty PO, you aren't getting arrested while at class. Just keep that shit hidden and it won't ever be an issue. Guys have asked me this and I always tell them to carry. Especially if you work in this city and might have class with an asshole you arrested last week.
Second, the arrest was good. The offender was showing it around. Not smart, not a responsible gun owner.
2/15/2013 08:03:00 AM
keep it secret, keep it safe.
is that what our 2nd Amendment Rights mean to you?
Seriously? Would you be ok with the janitor at your kids grammar school bringing a gun to the school, bragging about it, then taking it out when confronted about it because of the 2nd amendment? Sorry but my kids lives will not used to prove this point. She deserved to get locked up.
Its funny that that finkle,who is rich and politically c onnected had 30+ guns on a search warrand and didnt catch a felony in this corrupt fucking city
2/15/2013 08:14:00 PM
Finkle never took the weapons off his property, idiot. This dimwit uncased her handgun on school grounds. Learn the law.
12:44 PM
It's called discretionary "common sense", a concept that you obviously would not understand.
How's your frontal lobotomy coming along?
Doesn't she know what the current atmosphere is regarding gun control, let alone guns in schools? Her reasoning is completely understandable, but keep it out of sight and your mouth shut. She put herself in that situation.
2/15/2013 05:08:00 PM
so, the 'current atmosphere' trumps our Constitution?
fascinating.
Seriously? Would you be ok with the janitor at your kids grammar school bringing a gun to the school, bragging about it, then taking it out when confronted about it because of the 2nd amendment? Sorry but my kids lives will not used to prove this point. She deserved to get locked up.
2/16/2013 12:43:00 AM
so, your home is a gun-free zone?
So nobody here has looked up this arrest in 016 to confirm details???
Ahhhhh M.B. Was a c.b. Number on your day off that important??? Fucking goof.
And this guy thinks hes too good to work a beatcar. good stay on tact and sandbag the good citizens ,You are to good for the watch.
Hey Mikey i hope this guy is as sue happy as you are. What goes around comes around.
Im still proud of you. Signed Sgt Bigtoe.
NorthSide said...
In both instances and assuming that both gun owners were respectful and had a valid FOID card, the Martian police that made the arrests are consumate assholes. For shame, sandbagging jagoffs. Use discretion.
2/15/2013 12:14:00 AM
There was a nitwit female tact officer in 019 who arrested yuppies walking their dogs in alleys and down the street while carrying folding pocket knives in their pockets and charged them with UUW.
Her arrest reports describe a "hard object detected on a protective pat down search" and then, aha! A 3.5" folding pocket knife. No joke. A tax paying citizen has a life long impression of stupid police burned into his consciousness plus an IR number and arrest so that trixie dolly tact idiot could pad her arrest numbers. Truly Embarassing.
At least I feel a little better that it was not working CPD cops that did this to the women but rather the U of I rent-a-cops.
2/15/2013 07:43:00 AM
Haha clean up your own house before you start passing judgement and name calling. Start taking a good look around at the "rent-a-cops" your dept now hires
don't say it was the UIC police? arent most of them chicago police working part time?
2/15/2013 12:53:00 AM
No the UIC have their own department run by a couple of merit gold stars that retired from Chicago. But if I recall correctly bringing a firearm onto state supported land will net you a serious charge. I wonder how she was found out? The UIC police even threatened to arrest off duty police officers taking classes on the campus if they were armed.
2/15/2013 12:49:00 PM
Agreed about the merit gold stars running the place...not true about locking up off duty coppers taking classes. Any bullshit policy or decision to tell coppers not to be armed while taking classes comes from the bullshit political admin and command of the dept. NO UIC coppers have ever threatened to lock up another P.O.
"Learn the difference between UIC and U of C. Ill give you a hint. Don't be blown away when somebody has a degree from UIC."
2/15/2013 12:53:00 PM
There are plenty from UC who are nothing more than lying, sneaking, grasping, inhuman, amoral shitbags, too.
What can you say about a place that rushes to appoint Richard M. Daley as a "Distinguished Senior Fellow?" Michelle Obama pulled a quarter-mil a year there at some "community coordinator" position so crucial that it was eliminated after she left.
So what have the Pritzkers done with the $20 million of taxpayer money the City Of Chicago gave them to build another Hyatt hotel on University of Chicago-owned land at 53rd/Lake Park?
So because the news reports it this way we are going to believe it 100%? Jesus all we do it bitch and complain about the media and how they report everything wrong, yet we Monday morning quarterback when something like this occurs. I am against gun control and believe in the 2nd amendment but no one really knows the truth. The UIC arrest could be bullshit, but there may be more to the story. The same goes for the 016 dist coppers. We are so outraged when citizens judge us and second guess every move we make, yet we do the exact same thing to our own when it meets our political needs
"If someone is carrying an unregisterable firearm, what is the problem? Just playing devils advocate here. I've seen the charge used. It's a valid charge. I don't see any of the facts of the case. The only thing I see is a bunch of coppers who probably weren't there and don't know the facts slamming other coppers. If the guy is from lindenhurst, what range is he coming from if he is in 003? Just asking."
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The problem is that there are higher laws which supersede MCC charges. One of them being the Costitution. Another being your personal honor. You dont jam up a good person on a MCC gun charge because that violates both.
Anonymous said...
Amazing to think we're all on the same side. We all know what needs to be there for a felony UUW. I'd bet the media reports are wrong before I'd bet against another PO putting a case on someone. It's not the media, public, or politicians that make this job what it is today. It's us and this shows it. Whatever happened in 16 or at UIC, maybe we should back the officers before joining on the bandwagon. If we don't nobody else will.
2/15/2013 08:43:00 PM
Read the narrative and then tell me how you would back an officer who violates a decent man's Constitutional rights. You are a stroke if you do.
Anonymous said...
Way to go kids. By your own ignorance ou've all concluded that this is an upstanding citizen that respects the police and the officers were out of line. That is why this job, thanks the the many rookies hired within the last ten years, is going down the toilet. You do not have each others backs. You are all back stabbers. Once again this blog has shown another example of the professionalism and maturity of the now average officer on this department.
2/15/2013 12:30:00 PM
You are a stupid as you are ignorant. Your own ignorance shows that you neither read the narrative nor spoke with anyone who knew the man arrested. The man was known to police with over thirty years on the job. The asshole cops who locked him up were pieces of shit like you who didn't mind violating 2nd and 4th Amendment rights to do the work of the scum bags we have in office so they could make that sweet pinch. Now go fuck yourself, you condescending prick. I'll take a "hair gel" over your stupid old ass any day because at least they can think before they speak out of their ass like you do when you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Now go get your fucking shine box, prick.
Anonymous said...
We know the U of I employee story is true but until we see some documentation of the alleged incident in 016 maybe we should stop with the name calling and accusations.
2/15/2013 02:33:00 PM
It's been read and confirmed. Let the name calling continue.
....when it meets our political needs
2/16/2013 11:58:00 AM
so, our Constitutional God Given Rights are a political issue to you?
I love it when police officers trash another police department without knowing the entire story. The UIC arrest was legit, lady brought the gun to a state school brandished it, after being told not to by her coworkers.
UIC police department are all full time, not part-time off duty Chicago, that was U of C, but they also got rid of all Chicago Police part timers and command.
The only problem with UIC Police Department is our idiot command staff who are all retired Chicago Police and we are also in the process of getting rid of them.
This blog does nothing but talk a ton of crap about the poor quality of CPD and CPD bosses, doesn't say much about the system you guys come from and when every other department in and around the city are trying to get rid of CPD retired bosses, you shouldn't throw rocks in a glass house.
It's unfortunate because over the years I've worked with some great CPD coppers, which make me think if I was a criminal I would not want them on my case, but I don't know what happens after they get promoted.
So because Chicago says you can't register certain guns if you live in the city that also means that someone not living in the city can't transport their legally purchased and owned gun through the city? Maybe I am missing something!
Anonymous said...
"If someone is carrying an unregisterable firearm, what is the problem? Just playing devils advocate here. I've seen the charge used. It's a valid charge. I don't see any of the facts of the case. The only thing I see is a bunch of coppers who probably weren't there and don't know the facts slamming other coppers. If the guy is from lindenhurst, what range is he coming from if he is in 003? Just asking."
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The problem is that there are higher laws which supersede MCC charges. One of them being the Costitution. Another being your personal honor. You dont jam up a good person on a MCC gun charge because that violates both.
2/16/2013 02:25:00 PM
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The local laws are more restrictive. Home rule.
....when it meets our political needs
2/16/2013 11:58:00 AM
so, our Constitutional God Given Rights are a political issue to you?
2/16/2013 07:15:00 PM
Yeah that's exactly what I meant moron. Listen dipshit, if she went to work with an unloaded , legally purchased handgun, because she couldn't leave it at home that day..and the police were called. Then there should be some discretion given and therefore no arrest. But let me ask you Detective? Why were the Police called? Was she showing it to co-workers? Not explaining it was unloaded? Did the people who maybe saw it and called Police know it was legally purchased, and why she brought it to work? Doesn't sound like responsible gun ownership to me? If the Police were called then don't ya think there was a reason? Otherwise the gun would of stayed in her fuckin purse or desk drawer and no one would have even known she had it. All I'm saying is the public assumes we go out and lock people up for no reason, maybe the benefit of the doubt is due to the coppers? Cause I doubt they thought...hmmm let me lock up a cancer researcher and get a gun pinch while violating her 2nd amendment right, yea i wont catch shit for this and get laughed out of court. But hey continue to point your finger, hopefully nobody ever misreads into what you did.
The local laws are more restrictive. Home rule.
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Over the constitution? Over your personal honor?
Congradulations. Youve chosen your side.
Lawsuit and a half for this off duty trooper circus. Shame on you 016¡
re: 2/17/2013 02:13:00 AM
1. a) "Why were the Police called?"
because some person, or persons, being convinced that guns are 'dangerous' and that their own 'fears' are always the most important decision making factor, as well as that obeying the 'rules' of the employer are always much more important than exercising and enjoying our God Given, and Constitutionally affirmed, Rights, decided it was their 'duty' to cry wolf.
b) "Was she showing it to co-workers?"
if she was, she committed a practical error in trusting a person, or persons, who were unworthy of that trust. and, if she was, was there anything, beyond misjudging the trustworthiness of the unworthy, that you deem wrong?
c) "Not explaining it was unloaded?"
loaded or unloaded is irrelevant. those who chose to act based on their righteous sense of 'fear' will react the same either way. this same reaction would be expected if you, in plain clothes, were to expose your weapon to the view of their scared little eyeballs.
d) "Did the people who maybe saw it and called Police know it was legally purchased, and why she brought it to work?"
again, it wouldn't matter to them, as they live in a world where their fears rule their actions.
e) "Doesn't sound like responsible gun ownership to me?"
it sounds exactly like responsible gun ownership, if you haven't swallowed, hook, line and sinker, the full belief in your right to fear anything and act on your fear. or, rather, have someone else act on your fear as you want them to, ie. 'arrest that person, she scares me!'
2. "...the gun would of stayed in her fuckin purse or desk drawer and no one would have even known she had it."
a sound piece of short term practical advice, given the reality of our current rabbit infested environment. however, unless you are satisfied living amongst rabbits, who, as you may know, multiple exponentially, if not inhibited by predators, hiding the enjoyment of your God Given Rights from the sight of all these poor, scared little rabbits only increases their false confidence in their glorious rabbit natures.
3. "All I'm saying is the public assumes we go out and lock people up for no reason, maybe the benefit of the doubt is due to the coppers?"
not true. only the imposition of unconstitutional, and thus invalid, 'laws' give the public the impression of which you speak. as far as the arresting officer(s) are concerned, they were 'just following orders', right? (actung....)
4. "Cause I doubt they thought...hmmm let me lock up a cancer researcher and get a gun pinch while violating her 2nd amendment right, yea i wont catch shit for this and get laughed out of court. But hey continue to point your finger, hopefully nobody ever misreads into what you did."
no need for me to point a finger, you did a fine job doing that yourself.
our God Given Rights, affirmed in our Constitution, are inviolate.
as long as we allow the scared rabbits amongst us to continue to loudly cry wolf, as if their fear trumps our God Given Rights, we will continue to submit ourselves to the consequences of their rabbit madness.
if you haven't guessed by now, i am that consequence.
Chalkie
Agreed about the merit gold stars running the place...not true about locking up off duty coppers taking classes. Any bullshit policy or decision to tell coppers not to be armed while taking classes comes from the bullshit political admin and command of the dept. NO UIC coppers have ever threatened to lock up another P.O.
2/16/2013 11:40:00 AM
Yes, you misunderstood my entry. No individual UIC officers EVER gave CPD a hard time about carrying a weapon while a student. The threat came from you chief and this was a few years ago before your chief was a retired chicago guy. I have never heard of this being enforced. I have always gotten along great with UIC officers and they are professionals in every sense of the word.Pardon me if I was misunderstood. But, you leaderhip in the form of retired CPD gold stars just should not be in that position.
Anonymous said...
Some outside unit visiting 003 last week locked up a M/2 from Lindenhurst who was returning from the range with an unloaded and cased carbine in his trunk. The charge was MCC un-registerable firearm.
How is that possible? A person can't drive through Chicago if their guns aren't registered in Chicago?
2/15/2013 07:54:00 AM
This case will get tossed out but the inconvenience and cost to the person arrested will still be there. There was an Illinois Supreme court ruling some years ago that a person who is not a resident of Chicago and who is passing through or in the case of a non resident private detective or security officer, cannot be required to register their weapons in the city. That law applies only to residents.The dummy cops did not know the law and the dummy watch commander who approved the charges also did not know the law.
there was a rat bastard complainant. No weapons on state supported land.
still fucked up!
The 016 PO who arrested the man returning from the range would make a killing at Ohare. Many passengers are traveling with checked firearms for hunting and competition purposes. (assuming that he didnt know about travel exemptions) How easy is it to get his firearm returned to him? We will find out.
Secondly, any person who knowingly brings a firearm on state property and inside a university building is an idiot. Dont they watch the news? Virginia Tech?
Lastly, even if its unloaded, we all know that felons have their lacky hold on to the ammo and keep it separate from the gun they stash until they are about to whack someone. That way they can always say "what gun?" "I never no way shoot no one. No bullets."
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Some outside unit visiting 003 last week locked up a M/2 from Lindenhurst who was returning from the range with an unloaded and cased carbine in his trunk. The charge was MCC un-registerable firearm.
How is that possible? A person can't drive through Chicago if their guns aren't registered in Chicago?
2/15/2013 07:54:00 AM
This case will get tossed out but the inconvenience and cost to the person arrested will still be there. There was an Illinois Supreme court ruling some years ago that a person who is not a resident of Chicago and who is passing through or in the case of a non resident private detective or security officer, cannot be required to register their weapons in the city. That law applies only to residents.The dummy cops did not know the law and the dummy watch commander who approved the charges also did not know the law.
2/17/2013 11:26:00 AM
Why is a m/2 from Lindenhurst passing through 003 after leaving range?
Anonymous said...
So because Chicago says you can't register certain guns if you live in the city that also means that someone not living in the city can't transport their legally purchased and owned gun through the city? Maybe I am missing something!
2/16/2013 09:57:00 PM
You're missing the fact that you live in a banana republic run by a socialist strong man who cares nothing for the Constitution and feels free to violate it as much as the last asshole strongman who tore up an airport in the middle of the night and denied citizens the right to their handguns in violation of the Constitution. But you keep voting for that Machine, folks.
Why is a m/2 from Lindenhurst passing through 003 after leaving range?
2/17/2013 09:18:00 PM
i don't know, comrade, as, until that male, white, actually commits a true criminal act, witnessed by myself, or another reliable pair of eyes, and confesses to same, with full disclosure as to his motive(s), his 'passing through' a geographical area traditionally occupied by, presumably, mostly male and female black skinned men, women and children, is none of my business.
perhaps when our glorious leaders mandate that we all wear audio/video monitoring devices bolted to either our foreheads or our temples, with a direct cable connection, capable of reading, and recording, our very thoughts, inserted into the base of our skulls, you will then be privy to the answer(s) to your query.
until that time, Eustis, until that time......
Why is a m/2 from Lindenhurst passing through 003 after leaving range?
2/17/2013 09:18:00 PM
I don't know. Maybe because it's a free country, or used to be, and you can't have the gestapo stop him for no reason, ask for his papers and take his property and liberty from him? Wake the fuck up, stooge.It's no one's fucking business what he's doing. He's a free man in a free country. He can go where he wants to.
"Be very afraid, people; Rahm is about to realize he can never have the White House..."
2/15/2013 04:40:00 AM
This was on TV last night, "if Hilary (!) ran she would beat Rahm, and Rahm isn't loyal to many but he's loyal to the Clintons."
"...so Rahm will set his sights on 'mayor for life'."
Maybe he will run for Governor which is really scary.
Anonymous said...
Why is a m/2 from Lindenhurst passing through 003 after leaving range?
2/17/2013 09:18:00 PM
i don't know, comrade, as, until that male, white, actually commits a true criminal act, witnessed by myself, or another reliable pair of eyes, and confesses to same, with full disclosure as to his motive(s), his 'passing through' a geographical area traditionally occupied by, presumably, mostly male and female black skinned men, women and children, is none of my business.
perhaps when our glorious leaders mandate that we all wear audio/video monitoring devices bolted to either our foreheads or our temples, with a direct cable connection, capable of reading, and recording, our very thoughts, inserted into the base of our skulls, you will then be privy to the answer(s) to your query.
until that time, Eustis, until that time......
2/18/2013 10:55:00 AM
If you don't know then don't question the arresting officers.
until that time, Eustis, until that time......
2/18/2013 10:55:00 AM
If you don't know then don't question the arresting officers.
2/18/2013 04:54:00 PM
Agreed. Lots of armchair quarterbacking join going on. Just like all the medical opinions about P.O's on the medical/IOD. I.E. "that guy's just milking it". Sure seems to be plenty of doctors on the CPD. All willing to share their medical opinions.
Thanks for the reference from Soldier in the Rain.
Here's another by Steve McQueen- "You never had a dog".
If you don't know then don't question the arresting officers.
2/18/2013 04:54:00 PM
The question posed by 2/17/2013 09:18:00 PM was:
'Why is a m/2 from Lindenhurst passing through 003 after leaving range?'
My response to the question posed was:
'i don't know, comrade, as, until that male, white, actually commits a true criminal act, witnessed by myself, or another reliable pair of eyes, and confesses to same, with full disclosure as to his motive(s), his 'passing through' a geographical area traditionally occupied by, presumably, mostly male and female black skinned men, women and children, is none of my business.
perhaps when our glorious leaders mandate that we all wear audio/video monitoring devices bolted to either our foreheads or our temples, with a direct cable connection, capable of reading, and recording, our very thoughts, inserted into the base of our skulls, you will then be privy to the answer(s) to your query.
until that time, Eustis, until that time......'
I expect that the arresting officer(s) will be actually questioned, as to the reason(s) for their actions in this case, by the arrestee's attorney(s).
until that time.....
And, as I recall the law wants you to go direct from the range to your home with the weapon cased and unloaded. It does not have to be in the trunk, but you cannot drive around all day with the weapon.
Are you guys policemen or Public Defenders? Do you treat all of your UUW arrests with so much deference? Unbelievable!!!
Are you guys policemen or Public Defenders? Do you treat all of your UUW arrests with so much deference? Unbelievable!!!
2/19/2013 08:17:00 PM
hmmmmm, 'so much deference'?
do you mean to say that UUW arrests do not require much more than minimal 'deference'?
and what truly is an act that, Constitutionally speaking, qualifies as being an 'unlawful use of'?
because it appears that some commenters consider the Constitutionality of any law to be irrelevant to the enforcement of same.
which, if given even a minimum of thought, is not the actual duty of sworn law enforcement officers.
just because the criminal justice system here has been turned into a travesty by the political beast called the illinois democratic party, doesn't mean that those sworn to uphold the Constitution should act as lackeys of the beast.
Anonymous said...
Are you guys policemen or Public Defenders? Do you treat all of your UUW arrests with so much deference? Unbelievable!!!
2/19/2013 08:17:00 PM
hmmmmm, 'so much deference'?
do you mean to say that UUW arrests do not require much more than minimal 'deference'?
and what truly is an act that, Constitutionally speaking, qualifies as being an 'unlawful use of'?
because it appears that some commenters consider the Constitutionality of any law to be irrelevant to the enforcement of same.
which, if given even a minimum of thought, is not the actual duty of sworn law enforcement officers.
just because the criminal justice system here has been turned into a travesty by the political beast called the illinois democratic party, doesn't mean that those sworn to uphold the Constitution should act as lackeys of the beast.
2/20/2013 10:56:00 PM
You said absolutely nothing. The legislature of this state writes legislation and sends that bill to the governor for his signature. Once the governor signs that bill it becomes law. Is George Ryan a democrat? How about Jim Edgar,or James Thompson? The next traffic or street stop you conduct in the "ghetto", you just make sure you don't violate their constitutional rights!
You said absolutely nothing. The legislature of this state writes legislation and sends that bill to the governor for his signature. Once the governor signs that bill it becomes law. Is George Ryan a democrat? How about Jim Edgar,or James Thompson? The next traffic or street stop you conduct in the "ghetto", you just make sure you don't violate their constitutional rights!
2/21/2013 11:10:00 AM
you understood absolutely nothing, other than what you wanted to 'understand', which was practically nothing.
typical ghetto logic.
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