Wednesday, February 13, 2013

FOP Not Happy

  • Mayor Rahm Emanuel on Tuesday touted a pension reform deal forged with Chicago Police sergeants as a “roadmap” for other unions to follow, but the divide-and-conquer strategy didn’t work with the Fraternal Order of Police.

    In fact, it started a civil war within the ranks of Chicago Police officers.

    FOP President Mike Shields, who has demanded a 12 percent pay raise over two years, accused the sergeants association of being “in bed with the city more than any other union in the history” of labor.

    Shields branded sergeants association president Jim Ade “the biggest sell-out in the history of sell-outs” for agreeing to: raise the retirement age for sergeants to 53; increase employee pension contributions from 9-to-12 percent by 2015 and scale it back to 10 percent when funding levels reach 80 percent; eliminate cost-of-living increases every other year; limit C.O.L.A. in intervening years to 2.5 percent with simple interest and raise health care contributions for new retirees to 2 percent of annuities.

    Sergeants also would get a 9 percent pay raise spread over four years while maintaining the $1,800-a-year uniform allowance and $3,220 in annual duty availability pay that supplements their income.
So they held the line on monetary issues and managed a "modest" raise. Not bad.

However, one-third of that raise will be taken for pension increases. Not good, but not unexpected.

And then the accusations and recriminations really start. This is Rahm's standard operating procedure - separate one union from the herd, bargain, force everyone else to accept the initial bargain. This one is going to be heated and produce a of lot hurt feelings.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

So if I read the article right, the city wants me to pay more into my pension(understandable considering the times) but they still don't want to contribute their required by law share? Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

2/13/2013 12:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Selfish prick sergeants union. Stick together? Fuck the sergeants. Good luck to them tring to get anyone to do what they want. Kiss my Polish ass goddamnit.

2/13/2013 12:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wouldn't it be nice if the sergeants voted it down?! What would that midgeted, 9 1/2 fingered prick do then? Hopefully, the rest of the unions stand together. This does not bode well though.

2/13/2013 12:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My question is by raising the retirement age to 53, would that effect current employees, or would current employees be grandfathered in?

2/13/2013 12:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Someone correct me if I’m wrong. Looking at the details, the City is rewarded over and over again if they keep the pension fund UNDERFUNDED!!! How fuckin ridiculous is that? Jeez, I wonder if Rahm is going to race to make sure the sgt’s pension fund is adequately funded when the City pays less if the pension fund stays BELOW 60% and then BELOW 80%. What the fuck are Pleines and Ade doing? Do they understand that you can’t reward the City for keeping the funds underfunded. The City should be penalized with a higher COLA for keeping the funds underfunded, not fuckin rewarded with suspended COLA’s and higher employee pension contributions. Great job leading by example Sgt's Union. Pleines, please retire, and Ade, please resign. Bend over, grab your ankles, and get ready for Tiny Dancer. The sgt’s union has set the precedent and now we’re all fucked!!

2/13/2013 12:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The FOP should use its resources to sue the city for all its retiress. This is Ade clown is ridiculous.

2/13/2013 12:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pallohusky gets 12 years for robbing from the coffers. Let’s see what Jim Ade gets for robbing Peter to pay Rahm. Every PO out there should let him know he nor his union are part of US any longer.

2/13/2013 12:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You know the sgt’s union fucked over their retirees and soon-to-be retirees when a clause has to be added in the CBA that indemnifies sgt’s union from retirees suing their asses into bankruptcy. I’m assuming this is how the convo went between Ade and Pleines and the City:

Ade & Pleines: “So you want to eliminate an increase in cost of living every other year over the next five years and charge new retirees an increase in their healthcare in exchange for you not sticking it in our asses? Uhhhhh, we’re not sure, but someone once told us that this thingy called the constitution guarantees already negotiated-for retiree benefits at the same cost.”

City: “We’ll indemnify you.”

Pleines & Ade: “DEAL!!!!!!”

2/13/2013 12:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is classic. The City is getting rewarded fro underfunding the pension fund in the first place. Man, is the Sergeants Union this stupid? You got to be kidding me. Why did I spend all this time on the job investing my life into?

2/13/2013 12:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How the fuck does the Sgt’s Union give away benefits that the Illinois Constitution and Statutes guarantee to them? If you’re going to increase pension contributions on a pension that is already guaranteed to you. At least get the City to waive the residency requirements. “That can’t be negotiated through the CBA” you say!!! Neither could an increase in pension contributions without increased benefits!! What the fuck!!!

2/13/2013 12:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Every single one of the 1,180 members that agreed to this is traitor to the job.

2/13/2013 12:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If this is a precursor of things to come, we are all in very big trouble. Shields and Co. better shut the City’s party down. In times like this, we need someone to depend on.

2/13/2013 12:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let’s hope the rumors are true and the Shields team are gonna stick this right back up the Mayor’s ass.

2/13/2013 12:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Frank Sinatra said...

I have chunks of weasels like Jim in my stool!

2/13/2013 12:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WTF? Where does this prick get off suggesting he represents the interests of all the police? He's gonna tell his son--who is FOP--to agree to the same? Well, I hope his son and every single officer out there tells the FOP to tell the City to shove it up there asses. This is not a deal. This is the City screwing us again. Jesus.

2/13/2013 12:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tom Pleines is a life long pussy. Check his record. He engineered this deal

2/13/2013 12:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I’m glad I’m a member of the FOP and not part of this group of back stabbers. Shields may use a lot of hair gel, but I bet he’s got a lot more resolve than this SOB Ade.

2/13/2013 12:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Surprised to see they didn't lose that extra 45 min a day they don't actually work and then sell back those hours. Maybe that's why they sold out! Sad state of affairs. I thought pensions were not part of our negotiable contract.

2/13/2013 12:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That 53 year old retirement requirement literally ruins the plans I've had for 20+ years. I guess it's better than not having a pension, but it is a sharp kick to the groin to me and my family.

And regardless of how much Mikey pouts,, he's trying to act tough to hold his seat. No way was a housing stipend going to fly. You made us look foolish asking for it.

Sending your kids to the schools who protect and promote child molesters should not come on the backs of tax payers.

2/13/2013 12:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mikey is over his head. He can ask for the moon but won't get it. Instead he will waste time and union money for what the sgt's got.

Sgt's didn't lose any holidays or other benefits. And after working 20+ years there will still be a pension waiting for them It's not a great contract but it could be a lot worse.

No one is getting laid off and there are recruits in the academy.

2/13/2013 12:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This may be Emanuel's approach to "separate one union from the herd, bargain, force everyone else to accept the initial bargain;" your right. But this Union fails represent the real Unions. Every halfway intelligent member out there knows that Ade caved and Shields is right. Let's fight this fight.

2/13/2013 12:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Messing with COLA increases will be a disaster. Understand the power of exponents and compound interest. You're gonna get screwed BIG TIME.

Obama speaks about raising the min. wage to $9.00/hr. Do you realize what a joke that is? Obama's mandatory health insurance bill will run $20k/yr for the cheapest plan in 2014. How ya gonna pay for that and your six-figure tuition bill while you wait for the living wage jobs that left the country to come back....and they never will.

This is just another scam. A transfer of wealth to the insurance companies and big pharma's.

Many people are getting all excited thinking that this wage increase is gonna increase their disposable income and standard of living. It's not. It's like money laundering or a Federal Tax break for the Chicago parking meters. You get to hold the money and then pass it directly to the clouted ones. Get it? We get a raise in the min wage and that money will go towards the Obama health insurance plan watch and see.

It's not YOUR money. It's their money.

2/13/2013 12:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, when you have an arrogant union leader (FOP) who won't even sit down with the PB&PA to try and come up with a game plan, did you expect them to sit on their hands? All the city has to do is sit back and watch.

2/13/2013 12:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They should watch the president of the sergeants union. He personally got something from this deal. Maybe another job down the road or maybe his kids are getting some kind of city job. Because the Sergeants are getting screwed with this contract.

Sergeants with all due respect, vote NO! Nothing in it for you!

2/13/2013 12:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Looks like the sgt's union fell for the City's boogieman argument of disappearing pensions even though those benefits were already guaranteed to them, and even though it's been the city that's failed to properly contibute the pension funds, a fund that is more adequately funded when compared to other pension funds in this shitty ass excuse of a state. But what the heck, let's agree that the employee, who has never missed a payment, pay more into the pension. I'm going to do the same thing with the IRS. I'll not pay my taxes and when they come looking for me, I'll negotiate a lower tax rate for myself and have the Feds pay the extra to make up for it. Sounds like a ridiculous idea, doesn't it? Well, the sergeant's union just took it hook, line, and sinker.

2/13/2013 12:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fucking sell outs.

2/13/2013 12:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No way in hell am I voting yes on this contract.
And, you guys in FOP, stand firm.

2/13/2013 12:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When does this new contract for sergeants officially take effect? I planned on retiring this year in April. I am only 50 years old. Will I be screwed?

Sorry for sounding stupid and asking PBPS questions on this blog, but my head is in 10 different places right now with devastating family issues.

And Jimmy Ade has yet to return my phone call. Thanks.

2/13/2013 12:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sgt's are not happy. You cant bargain for issues governed by the state constitution. So why give away the house on a deal that makes no gains...typical.

2/13/2013 12:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What a joke!

2/13/2013 12:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Current gold braids should be paying 20 percent into the pension. Retired gold braids should be paying 20 percent into the pension to replace what they stole.

2/13/2013 12:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just because the board approved the contract does not mean the members will ratify it! Wait till the votes are counted.

2/13/2013 12:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe Mikey should have been more concerned with a certain letter that could have started negotiations BEFORE the sgts union.

Goof.

2/13/2013 12:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Sgtn006 said...

I can not believe they are trying to raise the retirement age, and 9%raise, what a joke!
Let it be known, I nor any other Sergeant in 006, 007, 009, or 005, agree with this worthless under handed deal!
This Ade jerky should never have been elected, sometimes we reap what we sow...
I am ashamed to be a Sergeant!

2/13/2013 12:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm the one who asked the dumb sgt question about when this takes effect. Disregard. I calmed down and took the time to review the past two days news. WTF.

2/13/2013 12:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Already retired
Who are they to make a deal that effects me, I pay them no dues anymore, they dont represent me anymore, I had to pay $5.00 for a handbook this year, I still pay FOP my retiree dues every year they represent in my opinion , and my lawyers opinion also

2/13/2013 12:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is Mikey mad cause the sgts were in bed with the mayor before him?????

2/13/2013 12:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd like everyone to know that the us sgt's still haven't voted on this contract proposal. None of the sgt's (except the real old timers) like the 53yrs old stipulation and not many are happy with the increase in pension contributions. If you voluntarily give them more believe me they will keep coming back for more and more. Why not let the legislation go through the courts and force us to put the extra in, and hopefully in the mean time they find a different revenue source.

I know many, including myself, that are not going to vote to accept this contract. So don't cast stones just yet.

2/13/2013 01:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

dont know if it was voted on yet will see if so ya sell outs.

2/13/2013 01:08:00 AM  
Blogger TWENTY and OUT said...

Jim Ade is a complete fucking sellout. The Sergeants "tentative" agreement is a complete joke. Look at what they get:
Wages...2% that's exactly what we got from the arbitrator last contract so nothing gained there. Health Ins...still a % of your salary so every time you get a pay increase health ins cost increases so they will be paying more. Then that candy ass sugar coats the next three items...Uni allowance, Duty Avail, Rank Credit...NO REDUCTION (you mean NO INCREASE)...DO YOU WRITE HEADLINES FOR THE TRIB? Quarterly differential....is going to increase because the 2% pay increase which is what already happens. Personal days, BFD, and Furlough stays the same. I don't know exactly what changes there were if any in the following: Bidding, Detail Pay, Out of Grade Pay, Suspensions, & Mediation. Maybe a current sgt. could help me on this one. Then he saves the BEST for LAST....VOLUNTARILY ALLOWING THE CITY TO SKIP COLA, raising the retirement age by 3 years, increasing the employee contribution by 3% over 3 years, and lastly, ALLOWING THE CITY TO PUSH BACK THE MANDATORY FUNDING REQUIREMENT THAT WAS AGREED UPON WHEN WE ALLOWED THE CITY TO CHANGE THE RETIREMENT BENEFITS FOR NEW HIRES BEGINNING IN 2011!!!. He gives the city an extra 15 years to fund the pension all the while the retirees are contributing more and skipping COLA increases. (LOOK UP IL SB 3538)

I feel like Clark Grizwold when he is out of breath at the end of his rant in Christmas Vacation.... I want to look him straight in the eye and I want to tell him what a cheap, lying, no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-ass, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sack of monkey shit he is! Hallelujah! Holy shit! Where's the Tylenol?

ONE QUESTION JIMMY, DID YOU GAG OR DID YOUR EYES JUST GET WATERY YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE!

2/13/2013 01:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great jobs sgts. Give up on a constitutional right for what exactly a hand shake from rham. What happens 10 years down the line when the city cries broke again....what r u gonna do give them another 3 years of your life and 3%. Slippery slope. U gave in without a fight...but I guess that's the american way these days.

2/13/2013 01:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just want all the PO's out there to know that you are all appreciated. You prob don't hear that enough, or maybe at all, but as a sgt i really appreciate all your hard work.

Almost on a daily basis i'm amazed at what you guys go out and do for this city. For the most part nobody even says thanks. You restore peace to so many lives and neighborhoods daily and keep the good honest citizens able to go about leading their lives.

A small amount of sgt's don't get it, but most of us do. The PO's especially in patrol really are the backbone of the dep't and don't get taken care of enough. You are good, honest, honorable, hard working people and i'm happy to be able to help any of you every chance i get. You guys deserve everything you get in your contract and a hell of a lot more.

Signed,
A white shirt working in a crap district with some of the greatest people i've ever met.

2/13/2013 01:20:00 AM  
Anonymous 29 and a day said...

I couldnt believe it when I read it Rham socred big on this one

2/13/2013 01:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

First off, before everyone thinks that the sgt's sold the whole dep't down the river, i'd like everyone to know that today was the first day we even got to see what was being proposed in the contract. It was all under wraps and we had no idea what was in there. Do you really think we would agree to all that stuff? Raising retirement to 53? Raising pension contributions? Diminishing COLA? We all just got our first look at it today like everyone else. Most of our jaws dropped. It the Prez and VP's doing. So now we, as a union, get to vote on it. From what i'm hearing it doesn't sound like it's going to pass.

2/13/2013 01:27:00 AM  
Blogger I Fart In Your General Direction said...

Fuck the sergeants union Reps and Board of Directors for "unanimously" approving the contract.

The teachers just settled for what, 4% per year, correct? How does anyone justify teachers being more deserving of twice the amount of raise as first responders? How about the Park District employees? I believe they got a 3% raise for 2012. CTA bus drivers and motormen? 10.25% over four years. Seems just about every other city employee is worth more than the Police. I say fuck that noise.

So Sellout Jim Ade and his labor attorney Tom Pleines (BTW....wasn't Tom the CITY'S Deputy Chief Labor Negotiator until...???? No conflict of interest there!) couldn't make the argument that all those other union members got respectable raises while the city's first line of defense against chaos and lawlessness aren't as deserving?

Or how about the fact that over a BILLION dollars are currently being earmarked for new CTA railcars, bike lanes, "Maggie Daley Park" renovations, kayak stations, Malcolm X College updates, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera, but the police can go pound sand?

And just how does this work: "Mayor Rahm Emanuel on Tuesday touted a pension reform deal forged..."? How does something already in place as STATE LAW become a line item to be bargained over at the contract level? Am I wrong, or doesn't pension reform have to be worked into law? On its face it would now seem that any future pension "reforms" would be at the whim and fancy of the city and the respective union(s) and possibly subject to an arbitrators decision.

Anyone remember this load of bullshit spewed from the mouth of Mayor Stubby regarding CPDs NATO performance? I sure do. It was from the Huffington Post, dated 22 May 12:

"They did a tremendous job under very stressful circumstances over the last four days, and they make every one of us proud," he said. "I wasn't there, but I do know this: They showed the city and the country why they are the finest police department in the country."

The "finest police department in the country" - although stripped almost to bare bones in manpower numbers - still handled business like no other department could. And let's not forget (with the exception of that pesky double digit murder rate increase!) that crime is down "across the board".

Yep, that whole "doing more with less" thingy seems to be working quite well depending on whose numbers you want to look at. Just don't you DARE ask to be compensated fairly for all you do for this city and its citizens.

Ratifying this agreement would set a very dangerous precedent. Not sure what it takes to vote it down, but if it's a simple majority I'd sure the fuck hope that 51% of the sergeants do the right thing and tell Jim Ade and his lapdog Board of Directors to shove this up their asses. Sideways.

2/13/2013 01:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you raise retirement to 53 now, believe me when the city spends all our pension money and cries broke again in 5 years they're going to keep trying to raise that age. LIttle by little it will keep going up and next thing you know it'll be 55, then 57, ....

Those are things that should not be touched!

2/13/2013 01:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well mikey if you werent at least partially responsible for the pension mess maybe the sgts union wouldnt have to resort to such drastic measures. And you are off to an awesome start in fop negotiations by failing to file the paperwork on time. Whether it was on purpose or more likely due to inexperience.

2/13/2013 01:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't get it, i thought the pension stuff was law. How can you collectively bargain things that are actually written in the law? Wouldn't they have to go in and change the law to have us increase our percentage and increase our retirement age?
Why bargain this? Let them try to pass a law first to MAKE us change, then the end result would be the same but you save years of paying the extra percentage.

2/13/2013 01:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

$1,000 one-time payment to Differential, payable upon ratification.

What does this mean?

2/13/2013 01:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Shields how much of a kickback did you get for forgetting to send the letter that fucked us out of retro for a year.

2/13/2013 01:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

HURT FEELINGS ???
This is business !
The age change is a slippery slope and so is increased contributions. The reason reduced benifits wasn't brought up is inflation.
We will contribute more of todays dollars and collect inflated dollars much further down the line, if all goes well.

2/13/2013 02:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Didnt think id ever say this but hell yea shields. Ill give him his props ohh yea and fuck u ade and the rest of u sgts if you actually vote for this contract.

2/13/2013 02:27:00 AM  
Anonymous A Sergeant said...

The items listed under "Pension Changes" Are NOT part of the contract as the city and us cannot make changes.

They are part of an agreement for the city to introduce in the state house and that WE THE P.B.P.A. will SUPPORT these changes.

Both Sean Smoot (the P.B.P.A. lobbyist) for pensions and Mark McDermott a sergeant of ours on the state P.B.P.A. board say that this is a great agreement as it locks in improvements with very little given on our end. And that locking in a guaranty on the C.O.L.A. and getting the increase to 80% is unheard of in these times. Only going up to age 53 is a win as all of the states surrounding Illinois have gone up to age 55 with 3 forcing police to stay until 57.

As one of the unit reps said " the pension change train has left the station, we either get on and help ourselves or stand in front and get run over." AS TO THE OTHER PARTS WE HAVE GIVEN UP NOTHING.

No holiday or vacation givebacks like the teachers did. No loss of the uniform or shift differerential like Alderman Beals wanted us to, and no loss of our 3/4 a day like the press was complaining about.

Our health insurance cost stays at the current percentage. And even though Rahn was insistant on getting rid of the 55 and out totally, the union was able to secure it for the future with only a 2 percent cost.

The city really wanted it gone all together and it was the last thing agreeed on as the city finally caved on it.

Everybody said vote no on the last one. How did that work out for us? We got a great deal from the arbitrator didnt we? For once we are leading the rest in attempting to get this done.

Having the members increase the contribution is not "decreasing the benefit" so how is that against the constitution Rahm has stated he wanted a 5% increase all at once. He wanted NO C.O.L.A. for ten years.

They do this and we sue, where does it go to. The ILLINOIS SUPREME COURT with justice Ann Burke hows do you think that will work. And that would be it.

And allthough you didnt say this, there will be those who say we sold out the others. Even if we did, and I say we didnt, who cares. It is our associations job bargain for us, the active duty sergeant, not the retirees (The assoc. cant it is against the law to ) and certainly not worry about the FOP.

You know the FOP they are the ones who didnt lift a finger to help us win the right to organize.

They are the ones who blocked us from getting our own fop lodge because Nolan wanted the extra 1,300 members dues while being able to ignore us since we are so small compared to the blue shirts. they are the ones who didnt care that the nice size paygap between D2 and D3 was shrunk when they got D2A. They they were the ones who agreed to reimburse the city for the officers salary assigned to the lodge,(knowing that with 11,000 members paying it would not be a big deal), in order to win this D2A for the few Dicks, while not caring that we only have 1100 to pay for only 2 members assigned. We need to worry about US and this does. We lose nothing and gain a little.

In this economic and political climate. This is a Win.

2/13/2013 02:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can see Rahm , with that shitty smirk of his, sitting back and watching the in fighting.
Since when has the Sgt.'s union been in the lead with contract negotiations.? I remember them traditionally being one of the last unions to settle a contract.
The fact that Rahm is talking about this as a "roadmap" for other negotiations tells you all you need to know about the snakes stance on this.
FOP needs to stay united against this slimy, union busting, bastard!

2/13/2013 02:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Our state constitution guarantees our current pension rules. Therefore, I don't understand why the pension was When a part of the sergeants negiotiation!

2/13/2013 02:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The fact that Rahm has gotten the Sgt.'s union to agree to contribute a higher % toward their pensions doesn't mean that Rahm will stop trying to reduce our pensions under "pension reform". So in the end they could wind up contributing a higher % while ultimately collecting less of a pension.
Rahm is NOT a friend of the unions. He doesn't give a shit about us and does not have our best interest in mind when negotiating.

2/13/2013 02:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

CFD Local 2 not happy either. It's just that our president probably won't go on the record and say it. Good move on the $3000.00 annual residency stipend though FOP. There is no way 9.5 is ever going to put that in the hands of an arbitrator. Having to explain to taxpayers that they will have to pay more for you to live in the city versus dropping residency in negotiations which will cost taxpayers nothing is a huge bargaining chip. Call his bluff. Don't give that chip up like your previous board mysteriously did last time just before arbitration.

2/13/2013 02:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Slippery slope! The city wants to hold people hostage by increasing the minimum age.

Give up 50 for 53 then the next contract will be 57 or 60.

Leave it at 50... You rack up some hard miles policing. Most coppers are 25+ years by then anyway so by 50 it's time to start thinking about living like a normal human being.

What next? you can retire when you want but can't start collecting until 67?

Ade all but admitted he screwed his kid over... That's horrible...

2/13/2013 02:57:00 AM  
Anonymous A Sergeant said...

While I do agree it seems like a deal we should probably accept because we will only lose things if it goes to arbitration, I think it also opens a dangerous door for us as well.

How many of you have been on the job long enough to remember when our health insurance was free? Then in about 1990, the FOP agreed to city's request for $2 per check to cover health insurance. We all said "it's only a measly $2" and ratified it. Look at what that payment is now every payday. The same thing WILL happen again. It's just a matter of time. With each subsequent contract, the percentages we will have to pay for health insurance will go up. Same goes for the increase pension contributions. The way I see it, by voluntarily going along with this we are in fact agreeing to modify our own pension plan without changing the Constitution. The precedent will be set and the walls may crumble afterward.

We are also agreeing to foot the bill for the mistakes, mismanagement, graft and other criminal conduct of our local and state legislators in regards to their obligations to our pension. Now our people are forced to pay into the fund at a higher rate for an additional 3 years to help supplement the fund by being forced to work til age 53. How does that show that the state government making any progress toward pension reform? We employees have faithfully and without choice upheld our half of the deal since the day we were hired. How many state legislators will agree to a decrease in their benefits, pay for their healthcare or an increase in their contributions?

It's not a win-win. It's a tie-lose at best

2/13/2013 02:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sgt Jim "sellout" Ade

2/13/2013 03:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If I were a betting man, I would bet this agreement gets voted down by sgts.
Would teachers settle for 1%, did teachers agree to any cuts to pension.?

FOP needs to go first in negotiations with the city.

2/13/2013 03:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please explain to me how Sgt James Aide can give away my constitution protected pension benefits which I paid for and I don't belong to his union? Judis was bought for 30 pieces of silver I wonder what he got! The city skipped payments and we would NOT be in this mess if they the most corrupt Chicago politicians just kept up their payments, I foresee a very lengthy and expensive legal battle brewing where the lawyers are going to make a bunch of legal fees and I will NEVER sign or give away my constitution rights weather it be the right to bear arms [concealed and carry] or my rights to my pension which I already paid for. The Chicago politicians for thirty plus years have lead and controlled this state to ruin, they have blamed everybody but themselfs and now they want you to give up your pension so they can continue to be in their eyes be politically correct. When the government has more entitlements than the middle class tax payers can afford you are on the road to disaster. Illinois is dead last next to California in paying their bills and like California the politicians blame everybody else!

So Mister Aide, Mayor Emanual, Mister Madigan and the rest of the politicians I will never give up my right or constitution protected benefits to my pension for you or anybody else I earned it and paid for my pension!

2/13/2013 03:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Roy Bean said...

Where is the part of the story that shows what Richard M Daley has to give up from his pension? And the Chicago City Council? How much do they kick in extra?

And the Illinois State Legislature? How much do they get cut and how much do they pay? And the judges statewide? How much do they kick in and how much are their cuts? Oh wait, I forgot, the judges are already bought off, they pay nothing extra and give up nothing. Their pensions are guaranteed because they are going to have to decide on the legality of this pension crap.

And Quinn? Again, how much?

Now does anyone remember how to tie a hangman's noose? Who has some fresh rope?

2/13/2013 03:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So this Jim Ade joins the list of Dineen, Nolan, Donahue, And the rest of the "I want a Crook County job for selling out".

Geee... Im so shocked!

2/13/2013 03:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No phase in for raising retirement age. Guys with a year or so to go are screwed by Ade. Even the anti-union legislature was proposing a phase in on raising the age. Even the Congress talks about a phase in for raising Social Security age.

2/13/2013 04:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And what, the fucking fact they just tried to fuck the entire department into being forced to work in this shithole an ADDITIONAL THREE FUCKING YEARS is inconsequential?

2/13/2013 04:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

First and foremost, remember that all sergeants wore blue shirts at one time. If they go for something that they feel benefits them but screws everyone else, so be it, good for them. After reading the comments on this blog, with all the juvenile name calling, ratting out, north side vs. south side, "real" police vs. slower district police, inside cops vs. street cops, uniforms vs. plain clothes, males vs. females, old vs. young, ad nauseam, it's obvious that we can't agree on anything or get along with anyone. Why, then, would the city even take us seriously when bargaining. There is no "fraternal" in FOP anymore. Take a lesson from the sergeants and get what you can while it's still there.

2/13/2013 04:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

After reading the comments from alleged Sgts. On this blog under the previous thread on the Sgts. Agreed to contract with the city, the one I found especially telling was the defender of this agreement worked out by Sgt. Ade and Mayor Emanuel. He states why should we care if we sold out the rest of the Police Department this is our organization for active Sgts. Not retirees. My God this sounds like the same kind of sellout the UAE did to its retirees several years ago when GM was bailed out by the Fed. In that case the same short sighted thinking espoused by that Sgt. Allowed the UAE to drastically reduce their retirees health care benefits which they gave up contract raises to get in their retirement and also forced them to take their social security ( something we won't even get thanks to Democrat Dan Rostenkowski) at age 62, not waiting to get more at 65 or the maximum at 70, they have to now take it at 62 and then whatever they get from Social Security is deducted from their pension! So Social Security is a zero sum gain for them. They paid into it for all those years for nothing. The PBPA dealing away the retired Sgts. Cost of living increases is the same thing. Whatever raises they got is being given away by their increased pension contributions. No COLA , did the Sgts. Happen to notice their tax bills? Mine went up almost 30%! Has Sgt. Ade noticed the price of gas at $4 a gallon? Did the good Sgt hear about the 40% "Cadillac health care tax that Obama care imposes on us next year? Cut the COLA, I have got to wonder what Sgt Ade was promised. We will find out if Sgt Ade retires to a sweetheart spot with another city agency or one connected to Rahm in private industry or perhaps his son will soon make meritorious Sgt. One has to wonder, Rahm sure had a big smile on his face as he posed with Sgt Ade for that great photo op. Or should we call him Sgt Arnold, as in Benedict Arnold?

2/13/2013 05:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

divide and conquer...wake up..

2/13/2013 05:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jim Ade is the sell out???? No one is a bigger sell out then you mike Shields. You already fucked us out of a retro check, can't wait to see what else you have in store for us.

2/13/2013 05:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What choice do we have dealing with a dictator like rahm?

2/13/2013 05:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rham father started with the teachers. He saw what a strike and union support can do for members. Teachers in TRS used to be able to retire with 30 years in. Now its thirty years and 62 years old. If you don't have thirty years its 67.

2/13/2013 06:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice tantrum Mikey. When will you grow up?

2/13/2013 06:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have to say they didn't lose anything. They can't retire until 53 think about life in the private sector. They kept their pension. Yes they pay more but so does the city and lets face it that should have happened years ago. They will get retro, we won't because our leader didn't send In the letter. In summary if Ade is the biggest sellout ever then Shields is the biggest ass clown ever.

2/13/2013 06:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hope FOP does not intend to follow suit. I have one foot out the door. I have every intention on going at age 50 and right not I am almost 45. I had planned on going at 47 and waiting three year; I'd be so pissed if they raise it to 55. I can't believe SGTs didn't even try to fight it. WTF. "Ok, now bend over. Spread 'em for uncle Rham (because we need more money for Maggie's park now) and FOP is next so don't worry." I mean are you kidding me on this one? You agreed to stick around for 3 more years because the mayors keep ripping us off? Ade you truly are an ass and a sell out and I am not a SGT. And SGTs if you guys accept this w/o a fight? Unreal. I guess not everyone has a post CPD agenda and plans to go before age 63.

2/13/2013 06:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't we in the same pension fund as the sgts? Wouldn't any change in pension legislation affect us all?

Sellout Ade must also be worried about a lawsuit hence the necessity of the hold harmless clause. Many believe that your pension is a contract between you and your pension fund and not a contract between your bargaining agent and the fund. Seems all it would take is one no vote and a lawsuit could be filed.

Why would any union agree to an increase in pension contributions now? There is already legislation in place to force the city to properly fund our pension. The added contributions aren't bailing out the fund, they are bailing out the city.

Nice job, Ade you suckhole. You got some 'splaining' to do to your members.

2/13/2013 06:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

pension is a legislative issue guaranteed by the il constitution tht cannot be diminished or altered!DONT U GUYS WATCH WHAT HAS BEEN GOIN ON IN SPRINGFIELD?stupid move !FOP NO WAY GO WITH THIS!

2/13/2013 06:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey screw Shields. He's been mostly silent while the CPD has been decimated. There are three separate unions and each one has to bargain separately. This idiot couldn't bargain at a Mexican Flea Market. While I don't agree with everything Ade has bargained for it's obvious Rham is out to make drastic changes to pay for Maggie Daley Park.

2/13/2013 06:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FOP not happy? The sgts shouldn't be happy either. Their leaders just negotiated the 55 free healthcare away. Could this be another reason the FOP launched Pleines?

2/13/2013 06:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I heard that they might have a Sgt class in march and two more classes before the list is over

2/13/2013 06:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't know how the Chicago Police Sergeants Association can negotiate anything that effects retired sergeants since retirees are not part of the bargaining unit. They are not in the contract at all. Once a person retires they are no longer an employee of the City and not covered under the contract at all.

The Pension Board represents retirees. Not the sergeants association or the FOP. Not drawing a paycheck equals no longer in the contract. I predict there will be many angry sergeants suing the union.

The retired sergeants cannot even vote to accept or decline the contract, it doesn't cover them. I wonder if these geniuses thought of that.

How does this sgt union president negotiate away benefits for retired employees he does not even represent?

2/13/2013 07:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Rahm E. said...

Sgt. Jim Ade is one of the toughest negotiators I have ever met as evidenced by the deal he just brokered.

This a great accomplishment for the Chicago Police Sergeants!

2/13/2013 07:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We do have some intelligent sergeants on this job. Hopefully they will realize their leaders have been hornswaggled and vote this piece of shit contract down.

Bigger pension contributions without any mention of matching by the city?

Stay until 53?

Pay 2% for healthcare that was free?

Are these guys freakin kidding?

2/13/2013 07:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ade did a good job with this contract. Very little lost, and pensions secured and beefed up.

2/13/2013 07:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

seems to me like they got a good deal for their members, the city's financial position being what it is. that is what unions are supposed to do. they are not supposed to be worrying about anyone but their own members.

not a cop

2/13/2013 07:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice going, Ade.

Did you explain to the geniuses that voted for you that their pension contribution increase (from 9% to 12%) is actually 33% ?

It's not a 3% increase. Three percent of nine percent is .27 %

Either you sold out or your just stupid.

So are you going to retire before this contract goes into effect? Just wait until you call for help out there.

What is it with you Sgts.? You have a guy that steals your dough, then you get this guy that sticks it in your moon.

2/13/2013 07:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Sgts association will be mailing ballots to all Sgts for a vote on this contract. If any Sgt decides to except this insult of a proposal they should turn in their stripes, resign and let the FOP negotiate our contract. This is the same association that accepted this monthly health care crap without consulting it's members. Ade you r GONE

2/13/2013 07:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Look at the publics view on public employee pension, many believe we already have a better deal then private industry. You talk to many people and tell them you can retire at 50 if you have 20 years in and it's viewed as a great deal most of whom have to work till they are 55 or even 60! The pensions are in a bad spot and not because of its members but because of the city, but the politicians make it sound like its our fault and let's face it if we don't do something now and make some tough choices that will cost us money more money we may end up paying even more later. I'm not happy with the increase in minimum age, it hurts and I'm not happy with the increase in contributions but it was coming one way or another but the small pay raise covers the additional contribution amount and there is still a small pay raise and in these economic times we are lucky. And really, who ever retires at 50? Most guys complain but stay well beyond 53. Taken into consideration the economic position of local government and pension being at record lows I think it's the best deal we would ever be able to get.

2/13/2013 07:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This deal sucks. Its such a good deal that ADE knows he is going to get sued so he has a section put into the deal that the city provides the PBPA with an attorney should retirees sue.

2/13/2013 07:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shields is calling names in order to further deflect attention from his complete incompetence. He has demonstrated that he is incapable of fulfilling the responsibilities of the FOP president. As far as the Sergeants, it is a tentative agreement that the mayor is flouting. It has not been agreed upon, it is simply the initial volley of negotiations, which is being done in the media by Rahm. As a sergeant, I will vote no to this proposal as it stands. Don't say you are giving me 9% raise when you are giving me 6% and using my 3% to fund the pension fund that the politicians used like their own private slush fund. Have Shields or Ade ask the mayor and the aldermen how their pensions are going to be affected by their proposed pension reform. It won't be, like all politicians they take from everyone else but keep all the benefits for themselves. It is time to shine a spotlight on their hypocrasy. We just need a "leader" who has a set.

2/13/2013 07:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

53? the Hell with that.

2/13/2013 07:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shields better worry about himself when we don't get our retro. What is that little jagoff gonna say then

2/13/2013 07:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If I may indulge the readers of SCC please excuse any ramblings here as I have not made it to bed yet from last night. I am a retired Sgt and we knew this was coming from the PAPB. Several retired Sgts informed the PAPB not to negotiate away any of our pension benefits. But it fell on deaf ears.

Weeks ago I contacted an attorney who specializes in labor issues. Normally the courts will not intervene until a party has become harmed. The firm we plan on using wants to first send a letter to the PABB asking them to Cease and Desist any actions that would harm any retired Sgt. or any active duty Sgt currently employed. We believe that the Executive Board of the PAPB will ignore the retirees and will allow all active duty Sgts. to vote on this proposal. If the PAPB membership votes in the affirmative on this then we will ask the court for a Restraining Order in that this proposal in itself is in violation of the State Constitution and the PAPB has no standing to negotiate away our rights. Upon any Act of Furtherance at this point by the PAPB we will be forced to sue the PAPB. Since the PAPB has almost no assets, after the embezzlement of the former President of the PAPB, the members of the board and any area or unit representative that voted in the affirmative would have to be a litigants otherwise there would be no chance of recouping our costs.

I spent last night on the phone with retirees from the Fort Meyers/Naples, Mountain Home, Las Vegas, and Phoenix areas. We have retired Sgts. from all of those areas that want to be part of this process. What we are trying to do is to quickly compile a list of as many names as possible of retired Sgts. for the letter to the PAPB.

Should the active members of the PAPB vote in the affirmative on this then we will ask all police retirees, regardless of rank, to join as plaintiffs. We will try to have our own informational web site up by Sunday and will run an informational meeting at Lone Tree Manor 7730 N. Milwaukee Ave where the Northside Retiree breakfast is held. We will ask every retired Sgt for one hundred dollars. Should the PABA continue we will have a much larger meeting than the FOP hall could hold and will use something like the Plumber’s Hall or Teamster City and ask every retiree, regardless of rank, to join us.

This whole process is completely unnecessary. Getting in bed with city first makes the PAPB look like a cheap whore.

2/13/2013 08:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

tick tock....it wont matter the whole country is in trouble,they will screw the working man first and then the do nothings.welcome to the ussr!

2/13/2013 08:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Sergeants are not going to vote for this. This was a buy out for board members. Look at the time and age of the members on the union board and see who this benefits. This also screws about half the Sergeants who will only have 19 years by Jan 2014. More importantly look who this benefits. Pull the time in grade sheets and look.

2/13/2013 08:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

2% raise
3% increase in pension contribution
53 to retire

OK .. question .... does the Illinois Constitution allow us to agree to a diminution of pension benefits?


it says they cannot be diminished. It does not say we can agree to diminish and all is OK


another question is who can sue? Can an individual Sgt. sue?

2/13/2013 08:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Their pension Increase will be brought back down to 10% when fund is at 80%. Are you kidding?! That fund will never be back to 80%, they are agreeing to get screwed, then in 5 years the scumbag politicians will cry broke and that these pensions are not sustainable. Look at big picture...you are giving up a ton for thirty pieces of silver up front. Tell this administration to fuck off!!

2/13/2013 08:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A breif history of the Supervisors quest to have bargaining units. The idea was pushed by Lt. Nolan (o23) and Lt. O'neil(025). When representation was awarded by Springfield, Daley and company stronly objecting, the three groups,Sgt.'s Lt.'s and Capt.'s sat down to structure one bargaining unit that would represent all Supervisors. Much to most people's chagrin, then Sgt. Sodini, refused to let this happen. Seeing that he had numerical strength he insisted that the Sgt's would dominate any bargaining unit. His demands were so strigent that the other groups refused to his demands. Sodini then had the Sgt.'s certified and the rest is history. Nolan and O'neil knew that the city would rather negotiate with three supervisors units rather than with one unified unit. Sodini led the Sgt.'s down the yellow brick road to the continuing detriment of everybody else. Sodini was awarded his gold star within weeks of this deal, and we all know how he "Cemented" his legacy as an exempt. So, is Ade the biggest sell out ever, I don't know, he has some big shoes to fill. One other thing, I will save the next history lesson for a later date, that one concerning another major sellout, Don Oneal, who also shoved it up the Lt.'s and Capt.'s ass's.

2/13/2013 08:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

City is rewarded over and over again if they keep the pension fund UNDERFUNDED!!!


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correct. great observation.

2/13/2013 08:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SGT's want to be LT's, THEY WILL COMPLY.

2/13/2013 08:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let us not forget the most important point here: The Sgt union took the lead in negotiations, for the first time in history, because the FOP failed to send in the letter.
FOP can say this contract sucks but their incompetance is 100 percent to blame and the loser is all of us suckers who voted this moron into office.

2/13/2013 08:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Reconsidering taking that next sgt's exam.

2/13/2013 08:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Any of you jerkoffs saying FOP is crazy for bringing up a stipend are morons. Shields does not ever expect to get this...it is a chip for the bargaining table. Karen Lewis had many such "Demands" with the teachers....its all part of the game. Sgts. vote this one down promptly..you have been sold out by Jimmy Koolade for future political favors. No other plausible reason for ur rep. to send this to you..stand firm vote no!

2/13/2013 08:36:00 AM  
Blogger The Song Remains The Same said...

Anonymous said...
Every single one of the 1,180 members that agreed to this is traitor to the job.

2/13/2013 12:14:00 AM

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FYI, this is what the Sgts Assoc board voted on and are now passing it onto the members for a vote. I will vote NO! As I see it, we gave up a lot!
1. Must stay till 53 instead of 50.
2. Free health care at 55 gone.
3. Pay 1% more into pension for the next 3 yrs.
4. 2.5% cola every other year instead of 3% every year.
In return we get a 2% raise in which half of that is eaten up by the extra 1% we will be giving into pension. Add that up along with the 2.5% cola EVERY OTHER YEAR and I'd say we're getting hosed.
The 80% maxed out is great but you won't see it till you're 64?? WTF is that? Not to sound morbid, but what's the chance the average police officer would live to see that?
I can retire maxed out at 55. I'll get 75% but I will have to pay 2% for health care, won't see a cola for 5 or 6 years and when I do, it'll be 2.5%, then I'll get that extra 5% nine years after i retire at age 64 IF I live that long.
I didn't think of it but as a previous poster said, they're rewarding the city for keeping it underfunded. Where's their incentive to hold up their end of the deal and get our pension fund properly funded.
My theory is if Rahm thinks its a great deal, we're getting f@&ked!
To all the other ranks, because the few handjobs that voted unanimously on this, don't think we all agree with it.
Sorry for the rant.
Be safe & back each other up!!

2/13/2013 08:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Mikey where is your plan to save our pension? Thought so......

2/13/2013 08:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The sgt. Union is a JOKE!

WE might as well have a Detectives union if that few Gumps can have that much say in a contract over thousands of PO's.

OR even a Canine union...

2/13/2013 08:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Every single one of the 1,180 members that agreed to this is traitor to the job.

2/13/2013 12:14:00 AM


None of us agreed to anything you idiot.. It comes out for a vote next week.. Educate yourself first before making yourself look like an ass..

2/13/2013 08:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is BULL SHIT, plain and simple! If the Sgt's vote for this, Rahm will try and jam this same shit down FOP's throat also! Rahm is F'n the Sgt's over on the pension and they can't retire until they are 53?! So the next contract Rahm will boost the retirement age up to 55, bet me! Before you know it, the retirement age will be 60. So we me live a few years and then drop dead, just what Rahm wants. Pension problem solved!

Mike Shields, you better not make any such deal with this asshole!

And all you P/Os and Sgt's working VRI, keep playing Rahms game, your only hurting yourselves and everyone else in the long run.

2/13/2013 08:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All See Below this is an extract from http://www.obkcg.com/article.asp?a=595. Interesting, and should we trust the state


The Pension Clause of the 1970 Illinois Constitution provides:

Membership in any pension or retirement system of the State, any unit of local government or school district, or any agency or instrumentality thereof, shall be an enforceable contractual relationship, the benefits of which shall not be diminished or impaired. (1970 Illinois Constitution, Article XIII, Section 5)

The Pension Clause establishes that a contractual relationship exists between a public employee who contributes to a public pension fund and the fund itself. Throughout the history of public pension systems in the United States, states have adopted a variety of protections for pension plan participants ranging from codifying the contractual nature of the relationship in the state constitution (as in Illinois) to using legal concepts such as promissory estoppel to define the rights and benefits of each employee (as in Minnesota).

Even though states choose different approaches to afford protections to public workers, funding problems are forcing legislators to explore ways to alter benefits. In some states pension reform has already been challenged in the court system. Recent pension reform court rulings in Minnesota and Colorado may be viewed as bellwethers to other states grappling with the same problems.

The Minnesota and Colorado pension reform cases involved reducing the cost of living adjustment (COLA) that pensioners in those states automatically received. In both cases, courts dismissed the lawsuits in favor of the state legislatures, allowing the reform measures to proceed. In Minnesota, the court found that the retirees did not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that changes to pension benefits were unconstitutional. In Colorado, the court held that reducing pension benefits to strengthen the overall pension fund was not a violation of any constitutional protections. (Swanson v. State of Minnesota, No. 62-CV-10-5285 (Second Judicial District, Ramsey County, Minn., amended complaint filed July 2, 2010) and Justus v. State of Colorado, 2010 CV1589 (Denver, Colo. Dist. Ct. Sept. 13, 2010)) These two decisions are not binding precedent for other state courts facing similar pension reform lawsuits now or in the future. To proponents of pension reform, however, these decisions bolster their argument to pursue the reduction of current benefits even when those benefits are constitutionally protected.

Note that South Dakota is currently awaiting a decision in its COLA reduction lawsuit, and the governor of New Jersey signed legislation on June 28, 2011, suspending COLA increases for New Jersey’s public pensioners as part of a package of comprehensive pension reforms. (Tice v. South Dakota, 10-225 (Hughes, S.D.Cir.Ct. 2010), New Jersey Laws, Chapt. 78, P.L. 2011)

2/13/2013 08:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sergeants keep 45 min a day in time due and $5 - 7 , 000 a year in cash for doing nothing , many leave early without dropping slips . It's a darn good deal for them , but the blue shirts don't get to leave early or receive time due and cash for doing nothing .

2/13/2013 08:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anybody else out there think that every reference to "Mikey" & the "the letter" are made by that pathetic fallen angel Dan Herebert?

Let's see what the Shields team gets during their negotiations. Obviously, Ade was comfortable getting screwed by the City.

2/13/2013 09:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Everyone needs to understand the dollar amount of not getting a COLA raise. If you retire at a pension of $70,000 per year. Your first COLA raise is $2,100 (3%). If they take away your COLA raise the second year you lose that $2,100 every year for the rest of your LIFE! The second time they take away your COLA raise you lose $4,200 every year for the rest of your LIFE! After 10 years of retirement, you will have lost 5 COLA raises totaling $10,500 per year. This is the lost forever and keeps adding $2,100 ever other year until you die. The compounded interest doesn't even come close to making up that money. Un-fucking believable!!!! The COLA is part of the state constitution, NEVER give it up. The referendum to vote changes to the constitution was voted down in the last election. That portion of the contract is unconstitutional and needs to be challenged with a lawsuit.

2/13/2013 09:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The reason the FOP didn't go first is because Mickey didn't send the letter I time. The city said fuck u we will deal with the Sgt, lt, Cpt and the fire dept first since they sent the letter on time. Don't believe the FOP on this issues they fucked up. No retro at all and wipe the slate clean for the remainder of 2012 (6 months) no raise. Oh and by the way Mickey and BD get your shit in order cuz the FEDS r coming

2/13/2013 09:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

fuck 53! then next contract will be 56!

2/13/2013 09:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do not worry , sgts will vote no on the contrtact and it's back to the drawing board . This BS sell out by sgt negotiation team will be voted down .

2/13/2013 09:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You Sgt.'s better not support this BS. Talk about selling out! Wow! This will create a deep hate between patrolmen and Sgt.'s. Why the hell can't we all stand together? We are all police officers. The fact that they would even consider a deal like that is disgracefull. If we all stand together we are stronger. Do you guys really believe that an increase in contribution will fix the pension and when it hits 80% your contribution will drop? Come on now. Never trust the politicians they are born liars. I'm sure if the Sgt.'s pass this no Sgt. will admitt they supported it. You guys should dump that assole who struck the deal.

2/13/2013 09:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

is it the same ade that coaches/coached the cpd football team

2/13/2013 09:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"This is Rahm's standard operating procedure"

Exactly who Obama learned from to pit one group against another in class warfare.

2/13/2013 09:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Could this guy be right? http://www.sj-r.com/thedome/x1578913865/Ralph-Martire-Another-way-forward-on-pension-reform

2/13/2013 09:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now you see why the powers to be would like all promotions to be merit/management. You get the promotion(s) but we own your soul !

2/13/2013 09:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You stupid Po's and your retro check !!!! Give it a rest this don't you know what's at stake here.

2/13/2013 09:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How could anyone believe the city will get the pension funded up to 80%? This will never happen, Sgt.'s. And why should we take the blame for the pension mess anyway? The politicians fucked it up not us. No matter what we pay into it the city has to contribute to even make a small difference. The city had many chances to fix it, but they spent the money on BS pet projects instead and still are. Vote no Sgt.'s! Stand together!

2/13/2013 09:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow, that's crazy. Mike Sheilds don't sell us out for empty promises!

2/13/2013 09:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What choice do we have dealing with a dictator like rahm?

2/13/2013 05:45:00 AM



just say no.


and stand by it.

2/13/2013 09:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If anyone with any time on the job knows, the sgt union always agrees to a shit contract,knowing they dont have the barginning power of FOP,then when the FOP,s contract is ratified, the sgt,s have a me too clause in it, thus getting what FOP bargined for.As for the COLA, read your contract handbook, anyone born before 01 Jan 1956, gets 3% of your base salary,every year, the rest of your life. It is not compounded. Those of you born after that day will not get the COLA, until you reach the age of 60. Then you will only get 1.5pct a year for 10 years. No one said anything about that. Thats what our politicians are doing to us, and we dont even know it.

2/13/2013 09:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bitch and moan, rant and rave, the fact is if there is no money in our pension fund you can wipe your ass with the constitution. The constitution says we have the right to keep and bear arms, what happened in chicago? Wake up smell the coffee.

2/13/2013 09:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And what, the fucking fact they just tried to fuck the entire department into being forced to work in this shithole an ADDITIONAL THREE FUCKING YEARS is inconsequential?


You have an alternative. Get a job in the private sector and work until you are 67.

2/13/2013 09:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Hot Pursuit said...

Ive heard the rumors flying...not a lot of PO's happy with the what direction the FOP has taken over the years.

I, as with many feel they have become a political entity and loast sight of their true meaning. I feel any elected offiers should have a couple terms and then back to he pool of sharks....

Think the whole country is tried of self serving political hacks, really don't like to see it in my "union"....just saying.

2/13/2013 09:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Making any deal with the city is like making it with the devil. Snakes and liars! FUCK YOU SGT. ADE! The arbitrator should handle this one. It's the closest we can get to fair.

2/13/2013 09:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey STUPID "all other police departments around chitgo" " how about big city/stressful P.D.'s like NY - when do they get to retire? We really need to find out who you are and where you work - because your one of those guys that wouldnt respond to a lonely "po" 10-1, in fact we'de see you going in the opposite direction of a guy needing help! GFY pussy

2/13/2013 09:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Our state constitution guarantees our current pension rules

In case you have not noticed our state is broke.

2/13/2013 09:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Surprised to see they didn't lose that extra 45 min a day they don't actually work and then sell back those hours. Maybe that's why they sold out! Sad state of affairs. I thought pensions were not part of our negotiable contract.

2/13/2013 12:19:00 AM

To this day I have never seen a Sgt. stay for the 45 minuets. In fact, they are hustling out the door just as fast as the P.O.'s. They do their little logs on the street and leave. case reports are approved on the street with the new system. There is no paper for them to do at the end of the tour.

2/13/2013 09:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A Sergeant said...
While I do agree it seems like a deal we should probably accept because we will only lose things if it goes to arbitration, I think it also opens a dangerous door for us as well

You are a smart man, you should be president of FOP.

2/13/2013 09:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I want to look him straight in the eye and I want to tell him what a cheap, lying, no-good, rotten

I doubt it.

2/13/2013 09:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

TWENTY and OUT said...

why the fuck am I still here.

2/13/2013 09:35:00 AM  
Blogger sharky said...

Hey, one other thing I was recently made aware of, dont know how widely known this is:
My brother in law is CFD Engineer with Blue Cross/Blue Shield PPO......You know how Police now have a $25 or $35 co-pay for doctor's visits? The firemen don't. Why?
That was an increase in our health care costs snuck in the back door, one that adds up if you go to the doctor, like the city wants ala the Wellness Plan.
I cant do an HMO, nor do I have any desire for that after having been in one for 15 years. I have a kid out of state at college, cant go to an HMO doctor out of state.
Comments?

2/13/2013 09:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with poster above on 20 and out at age 50. I dropped out of Pharmacy college to come out soley due to a secure pension at age 50/20 years and out. I was leaving at 20 years/47 and was going to float my income for 3 years until 50. If FOP agrees and raises our's to 53 or 55? Man I don't even know what I'd do. I thought contract/pension were separate negociations? How you gonna throw in towel w/o a court battle and now Rham is already talking about some crap about funding in 20 more years (?). WTF?

2/13/2013 09:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well - since Mikey blew your chance at retro pay - I don't think he has much room to talk. Since his brother pals around with the guys from Finkl Steel (remember the gun raid?) and there is that connection to the security firm connected to the Vanecko family who is connected to Richard Daley - this is more fun than six degrees of Kevin Bacon - don't kid yourself Mikey's rantings are anything but the call of a crybaby that he couldn't play Union Leader.

The FOP has historically not communicated or helped the PBPA - the sergeants have had to negotiate blindly or worse, sit on their hands while FOP tries to tell them Rome's not burning.

Bella should have been elected - at least he thinks of the other coppers some of the time.

So - not a great contract but Jane Byrne isn't mayor either. If you look at the details of the contract, it retains much of the benefits, offers a raise (although small) and works to strengthen the pension. Get your head out of your ass - Rahm wants to eliminate or greatly diminish the pension. He's a Democrat willing to act like a tea party Republican to get elected in 2016. If you think our pension won't be decimated by Rahm, I have a bridge to sell you.

When people aren't able to pay their bills or to feed their kids, to you really think they support us and our "lavish" pensions? And want to fund them?

This is a reasonable contract given our economic issues.


2/13/2013 09:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I'd like everyone to know that the us sgt's still haven't voted on this contract proposal. None of the sgt's (except the real old timers) like the 53yrs old stipulation and not many are happy with the increase in pension contributions. If you voluntarily give them more believe me they will keep coming back for more and more. Why not let the legislation go through the courts and force us to put the extra in, and hopefully in the mean time they find a different revenue source.

I know many, including myself, that are not going to vote to accept this contract. So don't cast stones just yet.

2/13/2013 01:02:00 AM

You are correct and history will repeat itself. Give more and they will ask for more. Besides 53 really isn't that old of a retirement age. Very few can leave then. What about health insurance coverage? Fuck they lying city send the pension to the courts. Don't trust the millionaire, Rahm. Remember the politicians pension is just fine.

2/13/2013 09:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's what I am worried about; raise it from 50 to 53 then next contract 53 to 55 and so on. I will never make it out of here.

2/13/2013 09:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In this economic and political climate. This is a Win.

2/13/2013 02:32:00 AM

You forgot to mention that this delays the city's payments required to start in 2016 until 2023 (When Rahm is gone and doesn't give a fuck).

It pushes back the date of when the pension must be 90% funded from 2040 to 2055

Also not the clause that says if the pension changes are not passed by June 2013, the city has the right to reopen negotiations and BRING THE HAMMER DOWN.

This will never pass constitutional muster; you cannot take away the retiree's COLA unless THEY agree to it. Your union doesn't represent the retirees; you CAN'T agree to it.

So this is a smoke and mirror contract that will be reopened in July when the legislation doesn't pass and THEN the starting point will be the 9% you just agreed to accept; you'll be lucky if an arbitrator gives you 5%.

Are we broke because of the economy? hmm. Dow over 14,000; the S&P earned over 15% last year. or we "broke" because Rahm doesn't want to be forced to cut his pet projects and properly fund our pension?

2/13/2013 09:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

First thing that came to my mind after reading this? . . . . (Baseball) This deal reminds me of the look on my 7-year-old son's face when he's digging into the batter's box while looking down at his feet, both hands on the bat. Pitcher screams one right down the pipe. "Strike One" says the ump. My son wakes up and backs out of the B.Box. Goes to dig in again, this time raising up his right hand for the Ump to see. . . .
Let's hope the affected Sergeants aren't looking at their feet when it comes time to vote on this (road apples).

2/13/2013 09:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You all are missing the bigegst problem with this entire thing..It's AGAIN allowing the city to not meet its required pension obligations for another 7 years..That's fucking ridiculous!!!!! Anyone who votes to let the city continue to not pay what is required while paying Ceasefire a million dollars and spending hundreds of millions on parks and other pet projects to connected contractors deserves to get fucked. You're all sheep and stupid sheep at that.

If you vote for this, no matter what the scare tactic, go fuck yourself..You get what you deserve...

2/13/2013 09:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Take a lesson from the sergeants and get what you can while it's still there.

2/13/2013 04:40:00 AM



Saint Peter's gonna love getting his hands on you.

2/13/2013 09:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cry like the overpaid baby's you are. If you came on this job to do 20 and out you never wanted to be the police! This is a career not a stepping stone. I can't wait to hear you cry when the contract goes to arbitration and they raise the retirement to 55 and take away paying your medical at 55 and move it back to 60. When they take the district bid offer you so wanted off the table. When they wanna take away uniform, duty availability and holiday pay away. If Jesus oh I mean Mike Sheilds knew how to run an organization he wouldn't have so many sex discrimination lawsuits to settle or officers wouldn't be using outside counsel to sue the city for things the FOP should be. Not much faith in your own organization is there. Follow the wolf little sheep he's hungry to spend and needs your dues. Idiots

2/13/2013 10:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now does anyone remember how to tie a hangman's noose? Who has some fresh rope?

2/13/2013 03:28:00 AM




there is no straw heavy enough to break the commie camel's back.

that's why a ton of lead is recommended.

if you're not content with eating camel shit.

2/13/2013 10:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
That 53 year old retirement requirement literally ruins the plans I've had for 20+ years. I guess it's better than not having a pension, but it is a sharp kick to the groin to me and my family.

And regardless of how much Mikey pouts,, he's trying to act tough to hold his seat. No way was a housing stipend going to fly. You made us look foolish asking for it.

Sending your kids to the schools who protect and promote child molesters should not come on the backs of tax payers.

2/13/2013 12:21:00 AM

Bullshit! Ask for the housing stipened cause if you don't then the arbitrator can't rule on it. Put it all on the table because the last few contracts went to arbitration and you can bet the rest will over the next 50 years.

2/13/2013 10:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is as good as its going to get until the economic situation turns around. That's not happening until there is a change in the WhiteHouse. This is the reality.

2/13/2013 10:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shields calling Ade a sellout is like the pot calling the kettle black.

2/13/2013 10:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In this economic and political climate. This is a Win.

2/13/2013 02:32:00 AM



if you like the taste of ass.

2/13/2013 10:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry but the 53 age is a deal breaker .....

2/13/2013 10:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Shields how much of a kickback did you get for forgetting to send the letter that fucked us out of retro for a year.

2/13/2013 01:48:00 AM




get yourself a link card.

you have exactly the right attitude.

2/13/2013 10:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

At least they are getting a retro check.

2/13/2013 10:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What's sad is our FOP president is talking a lot of trash and it being directed at the sgt and mayor. How do you expect anyone to work towards a good deal. If we go with anbr benn our deal is going to be crap. The Sgt saw that and made a good deal.

2/13/2013 10:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So here is a question. If I am a sgt and 50 years old, and this passes and I have to be 53 to retire.

Could I resign my position as sgt, become a P.O. again, understanding I give up my senority, but not time on the job. and retire as a p.o.? Since my pension is calculated on the highest 4 of the last 10 years salary. my title of sgt or po means nothing at that point.

just wondering

2/13/2013 10:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, I was around and active with the supervisors associations when they wanted to come into the FOP. They were talked down to by John Dineen who as much as told them that they can join the FOP but their concerns would come in second to the patrol officers. So, the supervisors had no choice but to go to another organization. They wanted all supervisors in one organization but were prevented by the city. The city wanted to keep everyone seperate and weaken them and that is exactly what occured. The blame for this mess? No one but the FOP leaderhip at the time. You certainly cannot blame the sergeant's association for being " sellouts" They made a deal that they thought was the best they were going to get, just as the captains did some years ago . Do you really think the FOP will do any better? Maybe and maybe not. Sergeants are finally coming into their own and will gain the respect and responsibility that they should have had a long time ago but denied by past department administrations who treated them like crap. I say good for them.

2/13/2013 10:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So Mister Aide, Mayor Emanual, Mister Madigan and the rest of the politicians I will never give up my right or constitution protected benefits to my pension for you or anybody else I earned it and paid for my pension!

2/13/2013 03:25:00 AM
I have news for you! There are many constitutional lawyers out there that do not agree with you and say changes can be made going forward. Ask yourself who has the deepest pockets when this goes to court?

2/13/2013 10:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I saw Ade hugging Rahm on TV. Barf! I did not see Pleines hugging Franczek, but I am sure it happened.

2/13/2013 10:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have discussed this tenative contract agreement with many of my fellow Sergeants, and most are not happy with it and will not vote for it. We need to stick together, all ranks.

2/13/2013 10:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Pension can only be changed by changing the State Constitution. The State Constitution can only be changed by a Constitutional Convention. The Con Con can only occur every ten years, if the citizens vote to have it. The next time it's up for a vote is 2020. They just tried to have an "emergency" Con Con and the citizens voted it down at the last election.

9.5 & Mad-again have a plan. Somehow, they will again attempt to have an Emergency Con Con and change the State Constitution. Now the Sgt's Ass will not only not challenge them, the Sgts will support them.

I have no doubt the Capt's Ass will follow the Sgt's. There are few Capts that are getting Capt rank pay. Almost all Capts are getting exempt pay, most above Commander. They are all old enough to retire. The Capts have a history of "selling out" to benefit themselves, while fucking everyone else.

That leaves FOP, the LT's, & the Firefighters to stand up to 9.5 & Mad-again.

I know the LT's president & have seen him "in action." My opinion, he would sell his right arm, left leg and anything else to get a Gold Star.

FOP, my opinion, is out of their league, in over their heads.

The Firefighters have a history of fighting the city. Their weak spot is changing their hours. They like getting paid to sleep. 8 or 12 hour shifts would mess up their "hobby jobs" (primary jobs for most of them).

9.5 is ruthless, coldblooded and brutal. We can only hope FOP, the LTs and FFs leaders do the right thing for those they represent and put their individual advancement aside.

2/13/2013 10:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you raise retirement to 53 now, believe me when the city spends all our pension money and cries broke again in 5 years they're going to keep trying to raise that age. LIttle by little it will keep going up and next thing you know it'll be 55, then 57, ....

Those are things that should not be touched!

2/13/2013 01:29:00 AM
Which is exactly where the retirement age was in the early 80's. What retire at 50 and go out ang get another full time job? I think those days are going to be over for just about every govt employee. The taxpayers are going to object about paying out pensions for the next 30 years or so to public emplloyees. Either that or the pensions will go away. Please dont buy all of the crap given out by the unions. The city has fully funded the police pension fund according to the statue. However, that amount has proven to be inadequate and that is where the rub is. No telling where this is going but I am pretty sure it will not stay the same as it is now.

2/13/2013 10:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Selfish prick sergeants union. Stick together? Fuck the sergeants. Good luck to them tring to get anyone to do what they want. Kiss my Polish ass goddamnit.



2/13/2013 12:07:00 AM
Really? Well we will see about that!

2/13/2013 10:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rahm says:

Many thanks to Ade and Pleines for getting the best contract in the world. You guys are two of the toughest negotiators I've ever met.

2/13/2013 10:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Selling out the retirees? That's the spirit!!

2/13/2013 10:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Just an example for the sake of conversation.

If the cost of living was to increase 7% per year the money doubles in 10 years. That's the power of compounding interest.

ex. on $100 at 7%:

Year

00 - $100.00
01 - $107.00
02 - $114.49
03 - $122.50
04 - $131.07
05 - $140.25
06 - $150.07
07 - $160.57
08 - $171.81
09 - $183.84
10 - $196.71

Now skip those COLA payments every other year and look what happens!

year

00 - $100.00
01 - ---
02 - $107.00
03 - ---
04 - $114.49
05 - ---
06 - $122.50
07 - ---
08 - $131.07
09 - ---
10 - $140.25

In this example you go from $196 dollars down to just $140 dollars after 10 years by skipping COLA's every other year.

COLA is not like a merit raise in this instance -- where management skips your raise for one year because things are tight and then makes up for it the following year by giving you a little higher raise than normal.

In fact it's not a cost of living raise at all if they skip it every other year because you will not keep up with the cost of living. STOP CALLING IT COST OF LIVING IF THEY DO THIS!

That's quite a CUT in your pension income and it gets worse each year forward. Say you do that for 20 years. You retire at 53 and by the time you're 73 instead of having about $400 dollars of pension money COLA increases coming in you have $280.

Now imagine that's your grocery bill. You started retirement just fine all the bills were met and your budget was in balance. At the end of 20 years you need $400 dollars in groceries but your pension COLA's didn't keep up with the COLA and you only get $280. NOW WHAT?

Multiply the example by 100 and imagine that's your pension check. Year one it's $10,000, etc. and compare the effect when COLA's are skipped.



2/13/2013 10:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why should anyone be allowed to retire at 50? Why not 63 like the rest of the real working world?

2/13/2013 10:42:00 AM  
Blogger The Song Remains The Same said...

Anonymous said...
Every single one of the 1,180 members that agreed to this is traitor to the job.

2/13/2013 12:14:00 AM

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FYI, this is what the Sgts Assoc board voted on and are now passing it onto the members for a vote. I will vote NO! As I see it, we gave up a lot!
1. Must stay till 53 instead of 50.
2. Free health care at 55 gone.
3. Pay 1% more into pension for the next 3 yrs.
4. 2.5% cola every other year instead of 3% every year.
In return we get a 2% raise in which half of that is eaten up by the extra 1% we will be giving into pension. Add that up along with the 2.5% cola EVERY OTHER YEAR and I'd say we're getting hosed.
The 80% maxed out is great but you won't see it till you're 64?? WTF is that? Not to sound morbid, but what's the chance the average police officer would live to see that?
I can retire maxed out at 55. I'll get 75% but I will have to pay 2% for health care, won't see a cola for 5 or 6 years and when I do, it'll be 2.5% EVERY OTHER YEAR, then I'll get that extra 5% nine years after i retire at age 64 IF I live that long.
I didn't think of it but as a previous poster said, they're rewarding the city for keeping it underfunded. Where's their incentive to hold up their end of the deal and get our pension fund properly funded?
My theory is if Rahm thinks its a great deal, we're getting f@&ked!
To all the other ranks, because the few handjobs voted unanimously on this, don't think we all agree with it.
Sorry for the rant.
Be safe & back each other up!!

2/13/2013 10:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Benedict Arnold

Benedict Ade

2/13/2013 10:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Since when is OUR hard earned pensions negotiable with the city? Are you serious? I can't wait to retire from this Mickey Mouse department! 53 years now????? Ha ha ha...what a joke!

2/13/2013 10:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...



Ade all but admitted he screwed his kid over... That's horrible...

2/13/2013 02:57:00 AM

Probably a merit promotion for the kid somewhere in that deal!

2/13/2013 10:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey folks, calm down just a little. Sofar nothing has changed and the Sgt's Assn did not actually agree to the pension changes What they agreed to was to join with city in lobbying the ligislature to make the changes. It is interesting to note that a week or so ago bill was submitted to change to constitution in this manner. This would require a 3/5ths vote to get it on the balot and then 3/5ths of those voting would have to aprove it to make it law. AJust remember though that at this point the city simply wants the unions to support it in its efforts to make changes. That would be very dangerous action

2/13/2013 10:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the Sgt. who posted that this "tentative agreement" is a "Win" and cites Sgt. Mark McDermott who is on the Board of Directors of the Chicago Police Sergeants' Association as well as the Illinois PBPA Executive Board as saying this is a great agreement, then I have to question your sanity for giving any credence to anything that Sgt. Mark McDermott thinks or says.

I've worked with Sgt. Mark McDermott and know that he is a person who cares only about himself and his own personal agenda. This is the same Sgt. Mark McDermott who would taut John Pallohusky, former head of the Chicago Police Sergeants' Association and convicted thief, as a "good guy".

If your decision of this tentative agreement being a "Win" for the sergeants is even partly based on anything that Sgt. Mark McDermott thinks or says, than you sir are softer than he is!

2/13/2013 10:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Raise age of cola for new retirees to age 63 and keep cola at 3 %.
This is fair for future retirees , they can work until age 63 .
Consider raising mandatory retirement age to 65 .
Officers should be required to pass a physical firness test every year or put on 50% disability or discharged . This would also save our pension fund .

2/13/2013 11:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sergeants,
 
The Unit Representatives and the Board of Directors met this morning to discuss the contract proposal that I previously mentioned.  After several hours, both the Representatives and the Board of Directors unanimously approved the contract for ratification.  Please see the attached Contract Points to see what was approved.  The overall reaction was very favorable as we were able to keep all of our contractual benefits as well as secure a 9% raise over the four year agreement.  Additionally, the agreed to pension reforms allows us to earn an 80% pension.  You will be receiving ballots in the US Mail in the next several days.  The Unit Representatives will be able to answer questions that you may have.   Thank you again for your patience.
 
Jim
/////////////////////////
I love how he leaves out the fact that half the 9% raise will be gone due to our higher pension contribution, and that the "agreed to pension reform allows us to earn an 80% pension", conveniently omits the fact we're going from a 3% cola to a 2.5% cola and now will be getting it every other year instead of every year.
Stick the 80% up your ass "Jim"!
Thanks for NOTHING!

2/13/2013 11:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Perfect time to march. Obama is coming to town because of violence. Look at the Sgt. Contract, we don't want that, what were they thinking to agree to that.

2/13/2013 11:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

pension contributions should have been increased a couple decades ago, bottom line. the city is to blame for the shortages, but had we had the smarts to sacrifice a little bit more, maybe the problem wouldn't be quite as significant. typical reactive solution to a dire situation that should've been addressed years ago. this city, county and state will never do anything proactively. wait til the wheels fall off and throw 10 times the money at it to attempt to fix it.

2/13/2013 11:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Current gold braids should be paying 20 percent into the pension. Retired gold braids should be paying 20 percent into the pension to replace what they stole.

2/13/2013 12:43:00 AM

Nice thought but it's not going to happen. Besides, most exempt members, like em' or not work 3 times as hard as you do, you ignorant moron. Now go back to mommies basement and push in a Star Trek video.

2/13/2013 11:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let the "city" change the terms pension is outrageous. Any Sgt. That would vote for this is out of their mind. If they change it now, what's not to stop them from changing it on the next contract. Stop them now, remove pension terms from negotiating other than contributions.

2/13/2013 11:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Speaking of COLA's

Health-Care Costs Rise Faster Than U.S. Inflation Rate

Doctors, hospitals and drugmakers raised prices faster than inflation in 2010, driving U.S. health costs higher as fewer Americans sought care after the recession.

Spending on workers covered on the job grew 3.3 percent per person in 2010, twice the general inflation rate

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-21/health-care-costs-rise-faster-than-u-s-inflation-rate.html

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...and it's not just in the year 2010 either.

Health care cost are running double the inflation rate and now to top that off every other year the pension COLA is going to be skipped?!

Enjoy your poverty and false promises and broken social contract.

2/13/2013 11:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC, I think you should mention that the reason everyone is upset is that the PBPA sold out all the retirees and your post does not make that clear.

2/13/2013 11:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Shields how much of a kickback did you get for forgetting to send the letter that fucked us out of retro for a year.

2/13/2013 01:48:00 AM
Retro......dude, wake up. You're complaining about a few thousand dollars now? There's bigger issues at stake. I'm sure the concept of "unity" is new to you but how about you get involved and help save our future instead if bitching.

2/13/2013 11:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wouldn't it be nice if the sergeants voted it down?

I'm sorry but I do not know of one Sergeant with a set a balls let alone a hair on their ass to stand up for themselves. It will get voted thru, u can bank on it.

2/13/2013 11:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The FOP should use its resources to sue the city for all its retiress..

Carfefull... we don't want them all to lose their cushy future county job now do we?

2/13/2013 11:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If this is a precursor of things to come, we are all in very big trouble. Shields and Co. better shut the City’s party down. In times like this, we need someone to depend on..

Won't happen because we don't stick together!

2/13/2013 11:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
What choice do we have dealing with a dictator like rahm?

2/13/2013 05:45:00 AM

Yes, its called voting

2/13/2013 11:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Heh, they can't pay their bills now and/or show any meaningful means of correcting the situation, and everyone is suppose to trust them as they kick the can down the road. Telling us how they will make up the payments in 15, or 30, or 45 years or whatever.

Unless of course they go bankrupt by then. Then all bets are off.

Yep, thank you for your service now here's your kick in the azz...like this guy...

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Navy Seal who allegedly shot Bin Laden says US military has abandoned him

Retired commando alleges he's been left without healthcare or financial support as he struggles to adapt to a new civilian life


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But it is the Navy Seal's caustic comments about his treatment at the hands of the military as he seeks to make the shift back to civilian life that are attracting most attention. The "Shooter", as he is anonymously referred to, tells the magazine that after the Abbottabad raid he felt burned out and decided to take early retirement three years before the official requirement of 20 years' service.

As a result, he said: "my healthcare for me and my family stopped. … I asked if there was some transition from my Tricare to Blue Cross Blue Shield. They said no. You're out of the service, your coverage is over. Thanks for your sixteen years. Go fuck yourself."

He bitterly remarks that if he had been killed on a special-ops mission, his family would have fared much better than the reality of his retirement. "If I get killed on this next deployment," he told Esquire before he made his final mission to Afghanistan before leaving the navy: "I know my family will be taken care of. College will be paid for, they'll be fine.

"But if I come back alive and retire, I won't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of for the rest of my life. Sad to say, it's better if I get killed."

He was also critical about the lack of security protection he and his family have been provided in the wake of the Bin Laden killing. He told Esquire that the best he was offered was a witness-protection programme similar to that provided for Mafia snitches – he could be given a new identity driving a beer truck in Milwaukee, he was told.

The Seal told Esquire that he had expected the military at least to enhance security at his home which he shares with his wife and children. "Maybe some courtesy eyes-on checks. Send some Seabees over to put in a heavier, metal-reinforced front door. Install some sensors or something. But there was literally nothing."

http://www.esquire.com/features/man-who-shot-osama-bin-laden-0313?click=pp

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WELL. who does this guy think he is Alderman Burke? /sarcasm

What the hell kind of social contract is this?

2/13/2013 11:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who represents the retirees.

Certainly not the Pension Board. The city appoints four trustees, the actives vote for three trustees, 1 PO, 1 Sgt and 1 Capt or Lt. The retirees do not have anyone representing them or protecting them on the Pension Board.

The police "unions" do not represent the retirees. The retired Sgts cannot vote on this deal Ade made for them.

Once you retired you might as well be dead. That's the way your treated and that's what the city, Pension Board and police "unions" really want...retirees dead and out of the way.




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2/13/2013 11:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

just a dumb fireman here, but how did they get all this done without a peep in the news or papers? just like that poof its done- i dont get it

2/13/2013 11:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Once you get two tiers of pension benefits established where the new guys have lower benefits then the experienced guys. Then you can later play the game of pushing the older guys out because their benefit plans are more expensive.

Make life miserable for them in the hopes that they will quit or take a buyout offer before they are eligible for retirement.

That's how it works my friends

Even if they bring the new guys in at the same pay there's money to be saved because the new guys are not allowed the same pension benefits.

Mark my words. This will be used to squeeze you out to save money.

2/13/2013 11:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't think that retired sergeants had any input. I have been retired for 2 years, and I was told nothing about this. I like you heard about it from the news. And by the way, I am still a member of FOP. If it weren't for Bill Nolan, we all would have been in the same union,and this would not have happened. so he is somewhat responsible for this.

2/13/2013 11:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


COLA's.

The BLS cost of living numbers that the pension COLA's are most likely based on don't even represent reality.

Google "Hedonic Quality Adjustment."

The BLS uses that adjustment to rig the cost of living numbers.

The Hedonic adjustment is based on a quality of life theory, that is: if you're living on steak and the steak becomes too expensive that you will then switch to hamburger. If hamburger gets too expensive you'll switch to something cheaper. Maybe chicken. If chicken is too expensive you'll just eat horse meat.

Enjoy your retirement in poverty eating dirt as dog food will be too expensive after skipping COLA adjustments every other year.

This is how the numbers get rigged.

The things that are going up the most price-wise are thrown out of the BLS calculation that measures cost of living.

2/13/2013 12:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


If one was able to retire at the age of 50 and now you bump that to 53...AND you expected to live until the age of 70 (20 years) you just received about a 5% benefit cut, right?

Or maybe it's more like a 10% benefit cut because not only do you lose three years of your retirement, you also have to pay into the retirement plan for three extra years making the pension benefit loss double?

2/13/2013 12:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What no one is getting is that PBPA has given them nothing. The pension is an individual contract and they have no standing to represent the members on the issue. BPA merely agreed that they would not fight against the passage of legislation of new pension law. You as an individual still have a standing and can sue if the legislation is unconstitutional. The FOP WILL BE subject to the same legislation and the only thing they can do is lobby to stop it. So as I see it PBPA has only agreed not to lobby on the legislation. The only thing Ade is guilty of is not explaining it well enoughrior to information sheets going out.

2/13/2013 12:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The membership of the Sergeants union haven't voted yet!!! Standby.

2/13/2013 12:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can understand wanting to protect your retirement rights, but the CPSA just showed all unions in the state they are out for themselves. We stick together or all go down with the ship. The ones who approve this have officially become one of "them" in my book.

2/13/2013 12:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Stuck in the middle said...

This will be the sgts deal if members pass it, not ours. We still have our current deal. We have Mike Shields to lead us. He will protect my future, my family's future and my pension. Mike is our leader, what could go wrong? Mike has set us up to negotiate last because he failed to send the letter to open negotiations. That's gonna work out great for us, it's probably part of his master plan. He won't talk to the fire union, the sgts, lts or captain unions so there is no unity that is spoken about on this blog. Mike won't get re-elected and won't come back to a beat car. Gee, this is gonna be great for me even tho the legislatures down state have been asking for a deal for the last couple years and they will pass it...........................I knew I should have studied for the sgts test.

2/13/2013 12:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

First and foremost, remember that all sergeants wore blue shirts at one time. If they go for something that they feel benefits them but screws everyone else, so be it, good for them. After reading the comments on this blog, with all the juvenile name calling, ratting out, north side vs. south side, "real" police vs. slower district police, inside cops vs. street cops, uniforms vs. plain clothes, males vs. females, old vs. young, ad nauseam, it's obvious that we can't agree on anything or get along with anyone. Why, then, would the city even take us seriously when bargaining. There is no "fraternal" in FOP anymore. Take a lesson from the sergeants and get what you can while it's still there.

2/13/2013 04:40:00 AM

Dear Union President James Ade,

Thank you for the support message.

Shalom, TD 9.5

P.S. What date did you want to start at the new retirement job? And, make sure to give me the kid's employee number so I can have McJOKE direct some spineless exempt to nominate him for merit sergeant.

2/13/2013 12:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT:

Ritz-Carlton Chicago for sale

Guess the Ritz doesn't want to cash in on all those NATO inspired tourist eh?

Or maybe they realize the peak has already come and it's time to get out.

After all, the 2012 balance sheets with the one-time NATO delegates will inflate their revenue numbers creating an illusion of growth.

On the other hand...

The city could send Streets and Sans out in the middle of the night to raze the building down like was done for Meigs field. Then we could have room for something like a Venaco Memorial park on that site or something.?

2/13/2013 12:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What a tragedy this job has become. Every new contract ends up in a small step forward and giant leap backward. I can't wait to retire and leave this state.

2/13/2013 12:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WHAT ???

Why no provisions for City of Chicago to increase pension plan payback...the stolen/ misused funds
Daley thought belonged to him and maggie.

there are 12500 pos out there to unite behind this contract

against less than 2000 sgts....

unite, swim or sink.

2/13/2013 12:38:00 PM  

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