"The Letter" = No Retro (UPDATES)
- Fraternal Order of Police President Mike Shields may be riding high after working to torpedo a four-year contract tied to pension reform that Mayor Rahm Emanuel had hoped to use as a roadmap to solve the city’s pension crisis.
But leave it to Emanuel to send the outspoken FOP president crashing back down to earth.
Emanuel is playing hardball, thanks to an embarrassing oversight Shields made last year, flatly denied but now acknowledged by his own corrective action.
The Chicago Sun-Times reported last year that rank-and-file police officers may have to wait a year to negotiate a new contract — and forgo a retroactive pay increase in 2012 — because Shields failed to notify the city between Feb. 1 and March 1 of last year that he intended to terminate the police contract and commence negotiations on a new agreement.
If that notice is not given within the one-month window, the contract automatically rolls over for another year.
At the time, Shields insisted that his letter to the city was “well within the timeline” required by state law.
Two weeks ago, the FOP president essentially acknowledged his earlier mistake by sending the city the required notice to avoid having the old contract roll over for a second straight year.
That gave Emanuel an opening to declare that, as a result of Shields’ earlier mistake, the FOP has forfeited the retroactive pay raise that has long been an automatic part of any union contract.
Oops. There it is. No retro for the last year. When Rahm said he was going to stick it in the FOP's ear, we thought maybe the reporter had misheard a word that rhymes with "ear." Looks like we were correct.
And everything we published at that point seems to have been 100%, completely accurate, despite all of the abuse we took in the comment sections about being a tool of Rahm and undercutting the FOP, along with all the slander and threats from Shield's people.
Good job Mike.
UPDATE: Here's the SCC post from last year that marked the start of this rumor/fact. Read the comments, too. Very enlightening.
UPDATE: Here's the FOP response. To the commentator who was whining about we only posted the Sun Times story, the Sun Times story was up at 0530. The FOP had nothing up. Then we had to go to a little thing we call a "job." And since we don't use Department resources or time that the city is paying us to actually be the police, FOP's reply had to wait. That's what they get for being reactive - late coverage. The fact remains that if FOP had been upfront a year ago, this story is a non-issue.
UPDATE: Yes asshat, FOP had to wait. We have a job. A job you obviously don't have, kid. One that lets us be up at 00-dark-hundred, and if we were caught blogging on city time instead of our time, guess where we'd be? And your nonsense that 10,000 people's jobs are on the line - bullshit. No one is losing a job. But the statement that 10,000 people's welfare is at stake? That is the job of the FOP Union, not SCC. So go place your ignorant head back up whomever's orifice you recently vacated and sniff the fumes there. If Mikey had been upfront in March 2012 instead of picking fights he didn't need to pick, this wouldn't be an issue - FACT.
And everything we published at that point seems to have been 100%, completely accurate, despite all of the abuse we took in the comment sections about being a tool of Rahm and undercutting the FOP, along with all the slander and threats from Shield's people.
Good job Mike.
UPDATE: Here's the SCC post from last year that marked the start of this rumor/fact. Read the comments, too. Very enlightening.
UPDATE: Here's the FOP response. To the commentator who was whining about we only posted the Sun Times story, the Sun Times story was up at 0530. The FOP had nothing up. Then we had to go to a little thing we call a "job." And since we don't use Department resources or time that the city is paying us to actually be the police, FOP's reply had to wait. That's what they get for being reactive - late coverage. The fact remains that if FOP had been upfront a year ago, this story is a non-issue.
UPDATE: Yes asshat, FOP had to wait. We have a job. A job you obviously don't have, kid. One that lets us be up at 00-dark-hundred, and if we were caught blogging on city time instead of our time, guess where we'd be? And your nonsense that 10,000 people's jobs are on the line - bullshit. No one is losing a job. But the statement that 10,000 people's welfare is at stake? That is the job of the FOP Union, not SCC. So go place your ignorant head back up whomever's orifice you recently vacated and sniff the fumes there. If Mikey had been upfront in March 2012 instead of picking fights he didn't need to pick, this wouldn't be an issue - FACT.
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posted by SCC at 6:01 AM
286 Comments:
Any copper with half a brain knew the truth. That is water under the bridge. Now we need to stick together or Rahm will try and shove a deal like tried to shove on the Sgts on to us.
Dealing with Rahm, maybe it would be a good idea to let the contract roll over in perpetuity and forgo the retro just so we can keep what we already have.
which now brings up the question: how many will allow this to be used by short bus mayor to divide and conquer?
Mike, you stupid mortherfucker.
the city lies. if they won't give retro, why are we negotiating?
The Sun Times, meaning Fran Spielman, prints an article and that means it's true? Since when does SCC put any credence into anything published by what you consistently refer to as the Slum Times?
Is there a dispute? Apparently there is, but there is also a place for that dispute to be heard. It's called the Labor Relations Board.
Maybe you ought to wait for a decision from that body before you rush to any conclusions.
Seems like Rahm didn't get his way with the Sgts, in large part thanks to the FOP. Now, he is going to try to embarrass the FOP president. Does anyone really believe the timing of this thing is a coincidence? Looks more like political bullshit to me.
He tried the divide and conquer thing with the Sgts. Fortunately, they weren't bamboozled by him. Hopefully, we are at least as smart as the Sgts and won't be divided either. FOP needed to call Rahm's bluff when he tried to get to our pensions by using the Sgts. This is simply his shot at retribution. STAY STRONG BROTHERS AND SISTERS.
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Just heard on news that CTA is voting on a new way to pay for fares, through some company (Vestra?). You have to pay with their card, and if you don't use it for awhile, they charge you $5/month.
If this passes and you pay with cash, instead of paying $2.25 (I think) for a fare, you'll pay $3.75.
Seriously? Who owns this company, inquiring minds want to know?
Wow,I feel great that we have two kids negotiating our future contract .
this isn't really that important, or significant. Past contracts have shown this. They can play with the raise amount/percent, and which year we get it, until the cows come home.
In the end, it's the total % increase that matters, over the course of the contract, not just a year or two of it.
In theory, no retro SHOULD result in a higher over-all wage increase over the life of the contract, since both (% of raise, and year of raise) will be tied to the city's budget at the time the arbitrator makes his decision.
Look at it this way, sure no retro but at the very least we didn't lose anything. We are locked into the contract for another year. In Rahmulous not giving anything up is a victory.
Well the fop cost me 6 months of retro from 2012. We had a contract for first 6 months of the year. Our raise would have been 1 percent for those 6 months. So fop cost me $375 before taxes. After taxes $250 less in my pocket. This is for those with 5-10 years on the job. The math is right. Math is for 6 months not a year. More Disturbing than the money is that the FOP lied about it. Trust is gone.
I loved reading the email that the FOP sent out to members when this news hit the papers yesterday.
The email blames the City for a "letter" rising from the ashes because of the no vote on the sergeants contract. They try to tie the pension fight in the argument. Did the FOP just not justify the sergeants voting down their contract because of tying in the pension debate with contract issues?
The FOP is blaming the City for their failures and crying foul when the City tells them our current contract was extended to the end of June 2013 because of FOPs failure to submit the letter in the time stipulated in the contract.
The letter then goes on about how the City is betraying us. Hey Mikey, you are the one who is betraying us when you have lied to us for the last year in regards to the letter disaster. You are the one who has not been bargaining in good faith with your members. You fucked up in not sending the letter in during the time frame the contract stipulates and the City still held negotiation meetings with you over the last year even though they did not have too. Now when they break off meetings you are trying to put the blame on them. You fucked up.
Stop trying to twist your fuck up back on the City. Sounds like they extended an olive branch by bargaining over the past year when they never had to and could have just waited to 1 July 2013.
Members, this is why we do not vote in a person who has ZERO union experience. Never was on the board. Never was a unit rep. Was never even a watch rep. Hell he probable has never even filled out a grievance. He always talks about the lack of experience in the command structure of our department yet he has zero experience in union business before this past election. Oh and don't go on about the pension board, other then a couple of Youtube videos what did he actually do when he was on the pension board? For the couple of non scandals of Weis and Hubberman that he paraded around about there were dozens of bullshit duty disabilities that he voted for that should not have been approved.
Letter really doesn't matter. Never did. And once it goes to arbitration, which it will, we'll be awarded retro. Past FOP regimes have ALSO FAILED TO SEND THE "MAGIC LETTER" IN. The thing is, it's not a necessary part of the contract. A formality, yes? Necessary, no?
This is Tiny Dancers way of revenge plain & simple. Fact remains it means absolutely NOTHING in terms of retro pay. He's making hay out of it to divide the ranks and picked the perfect time to do so. That's what politicians do best, especially vindictive ones like Rahm.
THERE WILL BE RETRO. But everyone needs to focus on the larger issues at hand.
How in God's name could that happen? Rich Aguilar was re elected, Donahue was held on a "consultant" and Sid Davis got re elected (then left afterwards) and who else? Geez, just with Rich being there that should not have happened. Either way Mike had a duty to know his responsibilities. I know mistakes happen but that's why airline pilots make so much money because they have to be well educated or people die. Unreal Mike. Learn your job and shame on your re elected staff for not assisting you.
Signed, Disappointed.
If we never stick togeather on anything again, we as members of this union should stick togeather now. Shields may have effed up, but as a union we should be able to send a strong message to this lying little prick Rahm. NO money to the city from us. ZERO tickets. Make this lying little prick get back on tv and say that we WILL be paid what we are owed even though the union effed up.
Wow if it weren't for VRI, I doubt if much activity would be generated
Mike is a good guy and the "Union" as a whole is a good thing.
However being a good guy doesn't mean he is a good President.
This was always a huge fuck up and now it is coming back to bite us hard.
You can't pick and choose when to use the contract, it is our guidelines for dealing with the Department and City. Whatever stupid point he was trying to prove may have cost us all a lot of money.
Don't forget though, there are plenty of senior Board members that should have known better and stepped up to make sure this issue was handled at the time.
..so glad I'm gone next month. Best time to leave. Free health care . My deferred in dow market is at record level. Summer gonna be horrendous but I dont have to deal with it ever again. Waiting for a contract that will obviously be crap will be a distant memory as I look out over the water..cya .. and good luck..
My guess is it will all fall into the hands of an arbitrator, including the retro issue. If fire, teachers etc. receive retro, I cannot see a fair arbitrator denying it, with or without a letter.
I did not vote for shields, but right now Rahm is going after him like he did Karen Lewis because he dared to stand up to him.
I was one of the people that came down on shields but you can't have it both ways. We wanted him to stand up to this pension grabbing mayor and he did.
Granted he should have filed the letter, he screwed up, period but people are putting far too much emphasis on retro, Rahm will simply use it as a bargaining chip, so be it. We asked the Sgts not to sell us out for $9000, so I'm not signing on to give up pension guarantees during contract negotiations for retro. We need to join ranks with the remaining unions and fight this little man to the very end. He is a spiteful little dictator, a man child, now we know why they wanted him out of Washington.
I don't think you are correct SCC, the City says we can still get retro.
Once upon a time there was a mean man who came to town and scared away all the other mayor candidates so he could win the election. This Mean mayor rahm was very skilled at tricking people into thinking their own civil servants (police and fire) and their modest pensions were the bad guys. Well he wanted to make all the good policeman accept a bad contract. First he went to the sergeants union leaders who were also tricked by mean man. Then there was the policeman. The mean mayor rahm thought he could make the fop union leader accept the bad contract that hurt many policeman for years to come in exchange for retro paychecks. So when the FOP union leader said NO I will not trade a bad contract for retro checks, the mean mayor got meaner. The mean mayor told all his reporters how their would be no retro. This made the good policeman very sad when the read the morning paper the Called the Moontimes. So sad they couldn't write all the tickets and impound all the bad guys cars. So the policeman were very sad for awhile like a good month or two but they always answered their calls. Some days the sad policeman tried to write tickets through their tears but they kept reading all the numbers wrong on the license plates. One day the bad mayor who loved revenue more than anything else realized that having sad policeman was not a good idea and decided it was cheaper to bring back retro than have sad policeman. THE END
The IPLRA says 60 days and FOP was well met that. The phony contract says 4-5 months early. When there is a conflict between the IPLRA and a contract, the IPLRA CONTROLS!
Whose side you on, SCC? Your post does not help the police one bit.
Getting whiplash from being screwed from so many directions!! Next thing you know someone is gonna kick my wife and rape my dog!!
At least we got that 1% raise cause of the rollover- my family only makes $150 less a month then last year! I can't afford to have a job anymore!
Shields is a fool, but remember that Paul Geiger was the lawyer representing the union last year when the letter never got filed. After that fuck up the FOP hired a labor firm to represent them. Geiger is the same person that has pissed away our dues money on lawsuit settlements from him sexually harrasing secretaries. How much money has this guy cost us! He must have a ton of dirt on Shields!
Omg!!!! A whole year with no retro!!!!! Omg how can I afford my Harley bike??? Grow up there are bigger issues here.
Are you fucking kidding me? Shields (OUR PRESIDENT) fucks up and fails to submit the paperwork, lies to us to keep the heat off of him and now me and all my brothers and sisters in blue are going to be our raise first year raise for June 2012-2013! Whoah! Lets get a class action going against Mike Shields, where do I sign. He needs to be held accountable.
Thanks Mike, enjoy your final year in office. You will be back on a beat car around this time next year because you will definitely be voted out.
Wow if it weren't for VRI, I doubt if much activity would be generated
So this means rahm wants to screw over his police dept and go to WAR with the very hard working men and women who protect the killing fields of Chicago! Rahm wants to be president and he can not keep citizens safe,and has decimated and brought morale to new lows! Sorry rahm you have no clothes, we will continue to do our jobs,but you have made it so difficult for the tax paying citizens to live and visit here! Rahm you and McCarthy need to resign Now!
Wow Rahm really does hate us
If the old contract is rolled over one year shouldn't we get whatever raise the last year of the contract calls for?
Why are you dividing us when it appears there is someone out there willing to stand up to the Rahmfather?
I hope you know that the Scum Times and other lame stream media troll this site looking for stories. You are helping them, SCC. Sowing the seeds of discontent among the internet addicted crowd. Sometimes, you need to put your personal opinions aside and get on the right team. We need to stay together to fight, dammit!
A question - and I highly doubt you would post it SCC:
If Mike Shields had done the back room deal that ADE did with Rahm, would you have been as soft on him as you were on ADE? I doubt it. Stick to the guns and stop union busting for Rahm, please.
The Letter = Red Herring
So when we get the retro pay, what are you gonna blame Shields for?
The City cannot withhold it regardless of what their PR newspaper machine says. Even if the letter was sent a day late or two days late or a week late, state law trumps some inconsistent contract provision in our CBA. Illinois law gives the FOP 60 days to serve the City with notice--which it apparently did within that time frame.
While this blog may not know this, Rahm does. But he doesn't care.
What he cares about is taking away our pensions. This is what the rank and file should be worried about. We're gonna get our retro pay. But if Rahm has his way we might lose a whole lot more than that.
This letter flap is just another attempt by him to create division amongst us. See it for what it is people. While we're bitching about whether Shields slept on this, Rahm is wide awake reloading for another attack our our futures. Our past is safe--we're gonna get our retro one way or another. Start looking ahead people. We have a real fight on the horizon.
You know, I don't see Rahm saying no retro. I only see an "unnamed City Hall source" threatening it. Rahm does not have the balls to come out and say he will deny our retro. Not a fucking chance!!! As Kennedy said, "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself." Stop being a bunch of sniveling anonymous backstabbers and stick together.
IF all we lose is one year of retro, that will be a victory...
Until Tiny Dancer actually says "no retro" I am not going to worry about it. All bullshit.
But wait...FOP General Counsel, Paul Geiger is the best labor attorney in the MIDWEST!!!
Oops! I made a significant math mistake in earlier postings. It's 110 days before Rahm the cucksocker takes away all medical benefits for the retiree's who are not part of the 55 yoa and out group. Given the fact that he has declared that he does not have to even begin bargaining the active police contract until 01 Jul 2013, I think it's safe to say that he won't strike a deal for us prior to that date. I know that the union does not represent us per se, but seeing as you all will be retired someday too, the cucksoker will definitely try to use it as a bargaining chip. So, I guess I have to give a Fock You to Shields for holding up the process for a full calendar year which effectively negated any chance of a timely agreement.
Woops, no retro!!
Guys, this is negotiated during the contract. It is not a given.
I'm retired now, but I was on some of the committees long ago.
The city does not give us anything, we have to go after it during the talks.
Nothing is "carried over". We have to bring everything up, point by point. Many things are kept the same, but its not automatic.
Wtf Shields... Seriously?
Let's get the truth for once.
And if this is indeed true,
you should be ousted for
lying to the membership.
Not to mention that this is
a giant f--- up.
I like to see that the blame is going to fall on the shoulders of Mike Shields and deservingly so. I looked at the contract books from 2003,2007 and the 2013 fop book all the names listed from president to past president are the same. There are a couple changes but the majority is the same. So once again I say the old regime Dougherty,DiMaria,Aguilar,Davis,Cappareli,Burns,Moriarty and Donahue all failed the membership because its their THIRD if not more Contract negotiation and they should have known better. They let it happen so that Shields could fail. So place the blame on the entire group not just the one.
Remember who we are dealing with....Rhambo. He owns the spineless media and they will print whatever he tells them to. Rahm was gonna slam us regardless, now he just turned up the heat a whole bunch because of some letter that the majority of us know nothing about or if it actually means what Rahm wants us to believe (no retro). I believe this is smoke and mirrors by Rahm to try and divide us especially after FOP punked his ass out with the Sgts NO vote. When all is said and done and this contract like every other one that I can remember is done with arbitration, we will get retro pay. Just cuz Rahm won't want to pay us doesn't mean the arbitrator will be more dipolomatic about it. Cooler heads will see that you really don't want a pissed off police force and if you want to keep this city from totally blowing up you'll have to be fair to your police. So take a deep breath and step back and look at the bigger picture here. You may not be happy with this latest rumor, but nothing is set in concrete yet. Support your union now when it's needed the most and don't let the asshole mayor divide you cuz that's what he wants the most.
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Now Here is a police boss. Not like our clown that panders.
Commissioner Kelly: “I noticed you didn’t mention anything about a 16-year-old with a gun the other evening that brought about this.”
Williams: “What you want to do is belittle the problems. We’re not going to pretend what happened yesterday is just one incident. It is not about the details of one shooting. It is about how you and the NYPD and the mayor have reacted to these communities.”
Williams: “I’ll cancel the rest of my afternoon and have you come to the community and walk with me and talk to some of the people so they can see someone cares about them.”
Kelly: “I go to community meetings all the time. I understand that’s a photo op that you would like.”
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/03/12/nypd-releases-wild-video-of-brooklyn-rite-aid-being-ransacked-during-riot/
I think we should respond in kind on the day of the Bud Billiken Parade.
Hey Mike, wouldn't it have been much better to admit your mistake rather than formulating a lie and repeating it to the membership for the past year. Please learn from your mistake and do the right thing going forward.
So Shields screws up but what about the old timers like Dougherty who should have intervened? After all, he's the 1st Vice President. Time to vote all their incompetent asses out.
What the article does not tell you is Paul Geiger, who is tight with Shields and and the 1st VP, fired the labor law firm that Donahue used so he could handle it himself....and bill the FOP in the process. He is the one that missed the deadline.
I'm so disappointed with the FOP that I cant even see straight. Thanks Mike for forgetting something so important as a window that if missed would cost us not only money but bargaining power. I called the FOP a week ago needing help and the advice given actually caused my situation to be made wore with my Commander. When I told them what had happened. All they could offer me was advise on how to apologize to the Commander. Thanks FOP...... Take care of the men and woman on the job. A 15 year vet.
The City is winning if this is what were fighting about
I keep wondering why "Shaved" holds Mike Shields' nuts so much and showers him with love...? Then it dawned on me, their physical resemblance is uncanny!! I wonder if they are kin? If you have ever seen both side by side, then you know what Im talking about!! HeeHee!!
Knowing a strike is prohibited by State Law Blue Flu and not generating ANY revenue for the Chief Snake charmer may send a clearer message to this ANTI-LABOR scumbag Mayor of ours. This is a hardball move in retaliation to the 876-134 vote that the PBPA were smart enough to vote down. An Unfair Labor suit will make this letter a non-issue and the City will have to negotiate or go to arbitration. Thousands of men and women of the CPD put their lives on the line for the City everyday and this is how we are treated. Rahm big business is not backing you for your re-election nor is Union labor. NATO worked out well for you by the CPD's hard work Mr. Mayor with all the excess money that you spent elsewhere. You will be a one trick pony and laughed out of office. Just ask Mike Madigan. The alienation has begun amongst Cook County Democrats that see the real pariah you are. As far as President Shields goes he is the only guy that has ever stood up to a Mayor and Superintendent and called them out on their lies. Mr. Mayor I challenge you. If you have such distaste for Chicago Police Officer's then why don't you fire the 11 Officers, Sergeant and Commander (Patrolman that is getting Commander's pay) that carts you around the city Tiny Dancer 9.5.
9161 for Life
Wow its bad enough that we gotta watch our backs at work from shitheads, from being sued, from supervisors not having our back and writing people up for silly shit, from getting hounded for bulshit activity.....now we have to worry about the competency of our FOP president. Isnt this the 1 institution we are supposed to rely on. U shields are a disgrace and should resign immediately. I cant wait to go to the next FOP meeting.
Must have killed Shields ego to send the letter which admitted he was wrong not sending the letter last year. His ego would rather sell the officers down the river for another year that admit - HE WAS WRONG!,
Geiger should be fired and sued for malpractice but he's Mikes only friend so that won't happen
I am backing Mike, all the way.
What qualifications or experience did Shields even have prior to running? Oh thats right he was a rep on the pension board. And we all know how bad they have been screwing us for the last 20 years. With handing out free money to any politically connected person that asked. This guy is nothing more than a blowhard. Ask yourself what has he actually accomplished? Other than calling meaningless press conferences and grandstanding.
Don't let the city divide us, folks. It's clear under the ILRA that retro will be worked into our new contract. Anyone knowing anything about labor law knows that statutory law as it applies to labor relations trumps language in the cba. The ILRA gives the bargaining unit 60 days to terminate the contract from the expiration of the contract. Yes, Shields could have avoided this problem by sending in the letter a few weeks earlier, but it won't change the outcome. The Tiny Dancer is pissed he got his pension "reform" thrown back into his face, and he's using this issue to hide his defeat and divide the membership. Don't let him.
What rhymes with ear? Oh I get it! Rear! My specialty!
This is crap. Maybe Shields forgot to mail the letter on time. From what I hear, it doesn't matter. we're gonna get our retro pay. What Shields didn't forget was to show up when the Mayor and the Sgts. Union tried to screw every last one of us. Get real.
So, you post the Sun-Times story but not the Union's response from there website? I though this blog was supposed to be on the copper's side not the Citys?
http://www.chicagofop.org/contract-negotiations-update-2/
remember people Rahm has declared war on the rank and file CPD.Period. Blame Mike if you want but in past practices it was always a given. If Rham wants to be the prick that we know he is then we deal with it. No retro, so fucking what, can't do nothing bout it now so focus on the real issues, that other union bs can wait, you must united against Rahm, the Sgts said a big "fuck you " to Rahm and will deal with their union leadership when needed but the focus is on a new contract that benefits all. Stay focused, stay together, do not let Rham use the divide and conquer strategy. He loves confrontation and fighting so this will definitely go to an arbitrator. Don't be surprised if Rahm is long gone as da mayor and were still negotiating. This is not in line with his blueprint for higher office as the new face of urban governance that he really wants to display. Instead he has lost every major union deal, not looking very senatorial or ready for the national stage.
Everyone relax. Here's the language in the Illinois Public Labor relations Act:
The duty "to bargain collectively" shall also mean that no party to a collective bargaining contract shall terminate or modify such contract, unless the party desiring
such termination or modification:
(1) serves a written notice upon the other party to the contract of the proposed termination or modification 60 days prior to the expiration date thereof, or in the
event such contract contains no expiration date, 60 days prior to the time it is proposed to make such termination or modification;
The FOP sent in a letter well before the ACTUAL expiration date of around 30 Apr 12 (or 60 days before the contact expired on June 30, 2012). Even though the contract says otherwise, statutory law will trump contract language each and every time. Yes, this headache probably could have been avoided, but please remember that Shields is the only person right now who is standing up to Rahm as every other labor leader willfully agrees to to fuck over his members or stands on the sidelines and says nothing at all.
This is typical rahm bullshit. Let's worry about our pensions and benefits and don't let rahm divide us by throwing out this boogieman argument after he got his ass handed to him through the sgts' rejection of his so-called pension reform.
It's time for a forensic audit of Chicago's budget. It's time for legislation to cut city Alderman rolls to 22. It's time for term limits for all elected officials. Why are the Alderman the only parcel of Chicago government to not sustain meaningful personnel cuts. We could easily, at no cost to taxpayers, cut the Alderman to 22 and configure their districts to the police districts. They can place their offices in the police districts. Get them closer to the people. No court battles over redistricting and they should be able to serve any of their constituents no matter race.
First things first...forensic audit of all bank accounts in the name of, or operated by, the City. Let's really see TRUTH.
We should also demand a full copy of the contracts associated to the sales of public assets including skyway and meters...but not just the contracts...all of the negotiation materials including notes, emails, any and all money transfers related to the contracts or negotiations. This could be very powerful information.
How is this possible? What kind of an idiot is Shields and his team? If Rahman noodle thinks he's going to stick it to us, just wait and see what the effects on morale and productivity will be.
How is this possible? What kind of an idiot is Shields and his team? If Rahman noodle thinks he's going to stick it to us, just wait and see what the effects on morale and productivity will be.
Obviously this was Shields first go round at contract time. It would have been nice if the outgoing president/officers would have given him a heads up about this issue;not to help him but because of the importance to the membership. That letter was sent out in the past by someone.
I know Mike, he will not admit he made a mistake. Mike is all about Mike. He doesn't get that his actions affect 17,000 plus members. Sad but true.
I like how still not admitting he made a mistake mike says the letter means nothing. Wow don't worry one term Mike.
Epic Fail!! What does that amount too money wise$$$
Let's look at the real enemy in this. Our mayor. Focus boys and girls. He lost his Sergeants battle and now he will go after the FOP because the FOP spoke up.
The bully is throwing sand and we need to kick it right back in his face. A mistake was made but let's focus on the real issue at hand.
Is it me or is Shields head looking larger on T.V.
Dont blame me, Ivoted for Greg Bella. An oldschool real cop and union man.
Whatever. The city must want even less activity out of everyone. Just another morale booster in a string of many.
What a goof? Hopefully the arbitrator sticks it in Rahm's ear and awards a higher raise percentage to make up for that "lost year"
Shields is in bed with Rahm, lock,stock and barrel.
This was not an oversight but an intentional stunt to keep the contract negotiations open during FOP election time. Bad mistake Shields!
You lied, got caught and now are going to cost the membership alot of money.
Goodbye and don't let the door hit you on your incompetent, arrogant ass.
Greg Bella was the obvious choice of the seasoned copper and it now shows.
No Retro!
Lies and more lies from Shields!
Time for NEW leadership, anyone but Shields!
Is there a way to IMPEACH Shields?
Mark Donahue is on Shield's FOP payroll and let this occur too.
Greg Bella would never have allowed this betrayal!
Divide and Conquer. The Irish sellouts-politicians, heads of the bargaining units, and many of our exempts-have ensured that policemen and their families work, earn, and live as second class citizens in Chicago. This occurred when we decided to organize separately, negotiate separately and dilute the strength we would have as one single bargaining unit. The most important positive change we can effect is to decertify the PBPA and join the FOP. We can take care of Shields & Co. later. We can correct the boneheaded mistakes someone makes easier than suppress the deviousness of merit Sergeant James Ade and his band traitors.
Wow, the sentiment in the districts and units is RAGE. 26th and Cal was full of pissed off blue shirts today.
I think this was done intentionally part of a close door deal with Rahm. I could care less about the retro check more concerned about my pension. The problem is if it was intentional we really have problems then hes in bed with Rahm. if it wasnt intentional then he is just incompetent either way does not look good. i am sure i will get bashed for saying this but I would be happy if our contract just stayed the same for the next couple years. they dont take nothing, and we dont get nothing.
I blame Donahue for not telling Shields. Wasn't he hired as a consultant???
If anyone does anything above and beyond now. Including VRI. You are soft.
To all the morons. We would not be in this fight had Shields sent the city the letter in the appropriate time frame. End of story. 2012 is gone.
Soooo let's say for arguments sake each officer should be owed an average of 2000 dollars retroactively for the past year. And let's say there are 10,000 of us. that means mr. Shields just potentially put 20 million dollars of our money back in the citys pockets because he failed to mail the letter. Like many of you have stated, there are many more important contractual issues to deal with aside from a "retro check" ; however if our bargaining unit just in essence gave the city millions of our dollars how can we trust them to solve the bigger issues?
This is a blunder that can not be forgiven. This is such a basic thing that our leadership overlooked and the consequences are financially devastating to the members. And you can bet after what happened to the Sgt.'s deal the city will shove this mistake right up our asses. Now this will be a bargining chip used by the city and we will have to give something up for it. Thanks FOP for making the cities hand stronger. This is big $$$ lost! Funny how they lied to the membership over and over about their mistake.
I do believe the FOP dropped the ball on this one, but if the city doesn't have to negotiate yet and the contract is still good why have they been? My guess is Rahm would have played nice with the retro mistake, but only if the FOP is willing to give things away. FOP just made the cities hand much much stonger. Nice work guys.
If I hear another word about the 100 Sgts that voted yes I am going to go bananas. The reason there were so many yes votes is because those that did not decide to send in an envelope were declared a yes vote.
Coppers are the worst about actually taking action. Most just sit there and bitch. Just like the elections. No turnout yet everyone complains
Bye Mike! Bye Jim! Rahm may have out smarted himself with these two bone heads. It will be the membership that will rise to fight the battle. All it will take would be to post a few comments on this blog and you would get 3,000 plus to go to Daley Plaza and to call Rahm out! It's the low level workers that will rise up and create the havoc. Rahm do you really want this to be a wildcat protest? This will effect the hardest working people on the CPD. Those men and women wearing those blue shirts that go out everyday and fight crime for the city of Chicago. They will rise against you for taking money out of their pocket. Daley Plaza will be full of men, women, black, white, hispanic, asian, fat, thin, tall, short, old, young, gay, straight, north side, south side, west side, liberal, conservative, independents, ect. When you start hitting people in the pockets all of these groups will stick together. You Rahm hide behind the Democratic cloak but you are really a wolf in sheep clothing looking to screw hard working people. You have been part of Chicago politics for over 30 years. From your days in O'Connors organization all the way up to your current spot. You knew of all the back room deals. Did you ever stand your ground and say this was not right? Someone namely Richie signed and agreed to all of these contracts. You knew what he was doing but you turned a blind eye. Go after Richie The Thief first and hold him accountable. Then come and talk to us with RESPECT and try to figure this issue out. This is no White House shower! You want a fight you will get one! You have used two figure heads Ade and Shields to push around now you will have to push around several thousands of brave Chicago men and women who are NOT afraid of you!!!
Poor Mikey he f@$ked us!
How about SGT ade the TWO face hire an actuary to figure out how much RAHM screwed all the working officers out of for no retro for a year?
It should be in the millions>
What happens with all the great cash saved will it go to pensions!
And whats with New york Mayor Bloomberg the billionaire he just gave Rahm a few million for a contest the mayor can only win!!!
But the media thinks thats normal for contest thrown by out of state mayors to give cash away in a contest???
Of course no ethics statement needed because the city receives cash. Yet no alderman have access to it only Raccon eyes.
Lets see what Mikey has to say about that at the next meeting he just lost every one at least a grand $$$. Too much college and im curious as to what the 2nd 3rd vice president of the FOP were doing when the letter had to be sent in!
So Rham puts it out via the state run media and its suppose to be gospel. Rham is getting desperate. If we really wanted to set the tone about the negotiations we need to stop volunteering for vri. They need us more than we need them. But very one is going to think about their self first (short sighted ) instead of the long run ( more cops better working conditions vehicles that are not coffins on wheels)
It's a shame that FOP members of the last administration didn't make sure they picked up any dropped pieces. Nice team work!
On another note. Does anyone REALLY think Rahm would of ignored that opportunity? He wants to use it as a bargaining chip for a far worse deal.
We screwed up,move on. Be creative and make the city pay the way coppers know best.
ONE battle of the WAR!
Rahm you have made a big mistake you have gotten into peoples personal business! My ancestors settled here in the 1860's. We have always been lawful and hard working people for over 150 years. Now you come along with a personal agenda and use hard working law abiding people like a Sunday night board game. Its not going to happen the voice of the common people are thousands of times louder than yours!!! You sir have woke a sleeping giant!!
Here's to all you pricks that voted this goof our fop president. Hope those little field more books he gave you guys at roll call were worth it.
This will be your biggest post ever! It effects thousands of people!
Won't retro pay be part of arbitration. Being past practice of being awarded the money, there is no reason to get fired up.
Why didn't the previous guys tell him about "the letter" and when it had to be due?
Did they just withhold that info out of spite for him and in the process screwed all of us?
Your telling me the old team, including Donahue who is now on our payroll, couldn't have insisted to shields that this letter was due otherwise no retro.
I'm no fan of shields, but this is his first contract and maybe he didn't know how important this letter was. I put more blame on the previous regimes for not filling him in.
granted shields screwed up. and leave to tiny to take advantage of it. shields should just bite the bullet and take it for this round. you all know how vindictive and petty Tiny can be when he is told no. BUT there are more contracts with others coming up and those people see that when they stick together they can have tiny squirm. shields and the police and fire might just end up having the last laugh
Mr Mayor--I know you read this or have the comments printed out for you.
Do You Really Want To Go To War with us? We can fuck you much, much more than you can fuck us.
Try having no movers, no parkers, no ANOVs or no arrests without a signed complaint by a civilian for a week or ten days?
We'll go to our jobs and do the bare minimum of what's needed-nothing else.
Try having nobody sign up for VRP for a week or so. See how fast things go to shit in the ghetto.
Do the right thing, give us our retro, we'll take care of Mikey and his boys in the next union elections.
You may win the battle, you'll lose this war if you persist in making a huge enemy of us.
Rahm has just stolen thousands of dollars from us and if we don't respond we have ourselves to blame.
Here is a simple plan. Few will do it because many have become greedy.
Stop working VRI!!!! everyone will shit all over themselves. Watch the panic. But everyone is talking shit and not stepping up to the plate.
The city gets temporary boost in manpower and when the homicide numbers go down they stop VRI. The city saves because they dont hire new police officers.
SCC... pick a date or several dates. See if police officers will boycot VRI. That will be the test of whether or not we can stick together. It's not a work stopage because it is VOLUNTARY!!!
The Sergeants showed tremendous unity. And there is no need to pick on the 134... it is what it is. Dont believe Sergeants needed Shields to sway them to the no vote. Most Sergeants have been around the block once or twice.
By the way this boycot should include everyone that is eligible to work it. Everyone needs skin in the game. P.O.s, Detectives, Sergeants, Lt.s. We are all in the same fight...
Who are the front runners to run against little mike?
Work slowdown
Work standstill
Ride to your calls
Help the citizens
But don't write anything that will remotely resemble a revenue generating piece of paper.
Ladies and gentlemen
Wake the F$:@ up
Remember what two words can you make with the letters RAHM
H A R M as in harm you financially
And RAM as in ram it up your ass.
Wake up before its to late.
And ya know what. All coppers will do is bitch then call for no confidence vote, then go work there asses off, then go work there days off at VRI BS, then bitch some more.
I am KMA and so glad I will no longer be a part of this fiasco in a few short months. You get what you deserve because you as blue shirts crap all over each other and dont stick together.
We have the most inept leadership all around from department heads to moron union leaders!! Stupid kid
WHITE SMOKE AT THE VATICAN!
if true,shields just cost me money,I'll vote for abbate before I vote for him
I agree it is pathetic that we will not receive a retro check for 2012. Shields should be voted out of office for such a egregious fk up! But come on folks, it's SMALL POTATOES compared to the fight that's ahead of us! While I can use the couple grand as much as the next guy, it doesn't compare to the losses we will suffer if this mayor and the downstate THIEVES get their way with our pensions.
So, while I'm definitely pissed as much as the next guy over the retro fk up, we have to choose our battles wisely at this point. We need to rally around the LODGE (WHICH IS US, NOT SHIELDS!) and fight together for what is by far the most important contract we will be bargaining for in our careers!
Be safe brothers and sisters.
I voted for Shields. I still think he has done a good job. He stands up to city hall for us, all of us including retirees. The Mayor doesn't like this and now he is going to try and dictate who our President is. We knew when we elected him that he was young, but thats what we wanted. It is clear that this is a vindictive mayor that whats to control everything. Lets not be divided as that is exctly what City Hall wants.
Mike is a screw up. The kid does not know what he is doing just look at the legal payouts. This so called fight with Rahm is designed to help Mikey in his re election. Sorry mike you suck time to move on thanks a lot for screwing the membership. If you really thought we had a case about this letter we would be in court.
Stop whining about the stupid letter. Whether it was a mistake or a tactic really doesn't matter. Ram is using it as a smoke screen. The reality is that Shields sent the letter last year within the state law's guidelines. Ram can use his contacts over at the Slum Times all he wants. His PR on this is dead wrong however.
I think the arbitrator will have the final say in whether Mike was wrong in not submitting the paperwork on time, remember there is a state law that contradicts what the city is arguing, even the media is careful to use the word "may".
As far as retro is concerned, I wouldn't hold my breath on getting much or any pay raise. The VRI money is our pay raise.
Anonymous said...
Well the fop cost me 6 months of retro from 2012. We had a contract for first 6 months of the year. Our raise would have been 1 percent for those 6 months. So fop cost me $375 before taxes. After taxes $250 less in my pocket. This is for those with 5-10 years on the job. The math is right. Math is for 6 months not a year. More Disturbing than the money is that the FOP lied about it. Trust is gone.
3/13/2013 07:05:00 AM
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It's not up to the city. It will be in the hands of the arbitrator which is where this was always going to be settled.
We had this discussion one year ago. Fop has been negotiating for almost 9 months. The Sgt's Union try to sell out retirees and the Sgt's vote it down strongly. Next day City hashes old crap. Why were they negotiating with Fop for 9 months? Sounds like the cry baby at City Hall is mad.
You can't blame Mike. This falls right on Aguilar, Doherty and Donahue. They should have made sure he sent the letter to the city in a timely fashion. Remember these traitors in the future.
This is a half ass attempt to trick us.
Ram is trying to push us around like he did with those gimps in DC.
Whether you like them or not, the FOP has our backs BIG TIME on this pension crap.
Ram, Ade, Pleines and Herbert's internet trolls can say whatever they like. The fact remains: We'll get our retro, and if the FOP has anything to say about it, Ram and his corporate partners won't touch our pensions.
Keep your head out of asses brothers and sisters and pay attention to what really is going on here.
If Mike was smart he would get rid of that old citywide team before they sink us. You don't need them Mike. Cut you losses move on.
"Shields is a fool, but remember that Paul Geiger was the lawyer representing the union last year . . . ."
Signed: Disgruntled and out of the loop former FOP lawyer who doesn't know the law well enough to know that we'll all be getting retro regardless of this Rahm PR BS.
You know who I'm talking about.
Anonymous said...
Omg!!!! A whole year with no retro!!!!! Omg how can I afford my Harley bike??? Grow up there are bigger issues here.
3/13/2013 08:27:00 AM
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You are a tool, it's not about buying something with the retro money, that is money that is owed to you. So you are saying its ok to screw working people out of money owed to them??
Are you fucking kidding me? Shields (OUR PRESIDENT) fucks up and fails to submit the paperwork, lies to us to keep the heat off of him and now me and all my brothers and sisters in blue are going to be our raise first year raise for June 2012-2013! Whoah! Lets get a class action going against Mike Shields, where do I sign. He needs to be held accountable.
Whats wrong with you? A class action cant be done, you vote him out of office, thats it Tell me the last class action suit you heard, there are very few of them and evidently you have no idea what they are and what it takes to start one
This is all PR BS 101. The City told the FOP that regardless of the whether it could or could not pursue this letter crap, it WOULD NOT. It told the FOP it respected the rank and file and would negotiate in good faith. Now, Shields puts a beat down on Rahm and keeps our pensions on life support and the City back tracks. This letter flap doesn't matter. What matters is that our Mayor is gonna try to screw us AT ALL COSTS.
Instead of electing a copper to be head of the union why can't we elect a board who can hire someone that really knows about unions and contracts.
First point - the FOP has always got the letter in on time. As a matter of fact, it is usually hand carried to the City on Feb 1st and signed for by the Ciry so there is no arguing if it was sent in time.
I might not agree with Jim Ade from the Sgts. association but he hand delivered the letter b/c the consequences are you are agreeing to another year of contract with no raise.
I sure am flab Shuelds brought his friend Jim McCarthy down with him to help with the legal stuff. McCarthy and Geiger must be pretty shitty lawyers!!
Typical. City is trying to screw us. Thanks for nothing rank and file. If you put your life on the line enough nights in a row, guess you won't need a pension. Thanks Rahm.
Anybody else think that some, if not all, of these posts over this letter are from a certain disgruntled FOP hanger on, maybe one who passed the bar exam? Or maybe some are being done by Rahm's people? Whoever is posting that should know better. They should be ashamed of themselves. This is about our pensions folks. Look up the ILRB. Mike sent the letter within the state law allotted time. Shut up and join the real fight.
Seems like Rahm didn't get his way with the Sgts, in large part thanks to the FOP. Now, he is going to try to embarrass the FOP president. Does anyone really believe the timing of this thing is a coincidence? Looks more like political bullshit to me.
Don't fool yourself thinking it was the FOP's actions.......maybe it was 876 Sergeants who had half a brain!!
Anonymous said...
Obviously this was Shields first go round at contract time. It would have been nice if the outgoing president/officers would have given him a heads up about this issue;not to help him but because of the importance to the membership. That letter was sent out in the past by someone.
3/13/2013 10:41:00 AM
I agree with this 100%. I actually put more blame on previous FOP presidents/board members. Why wouldn't they have insisted on the importance of the letter. They were most likely mad they got defeated in the election and figured screw him. In turn screwed all of us.
Did anyone here believe that tiny dancer was going to negotiate in good faith unless we bent over at took what the Sergeant‘s did? We were always going to arbitration like we always do. I want nothing from this evil vile dwarf. If I’m getting screwed I’d rather have it done by a stranger.
If anyone kills themselves to come up clear in a hurry to help the city with our manpower short fall your nuts. I’m going to police just the way they told me how 33 years ago in the academy. I’ll be waiting two hours for a computer in the lockup and then another two hours for the lockup to take my pinch in.
Does this mean that Mike won't be sending Rahm any more cufflinks?
We should be at Rahm's house at 4228 N Hermitange about 0600 hrs daily to let Rahm know in person exactly how we feel.
Shields is an egotistical goof. His tenure is only marked by screw ups, lawsuits against Geiger and him and settlements with our money to hide his errors. One term and done
It's ok mike shields was told by nine fingers that he will take care of him later for selling us out. Mike better hope that this ends his friend ship with all POs
If all of you hard chargers out there are still willing to stake you futures on what you do daily, you're nuts. See the fucking the mayor is giving you now, just wait till you fuck up. Those black marks on your chest are bus tire marks, and you have been thrown under.
On the question of the ILPRA, it has no effect. The clause in question is a sunrise provision. Basically, get the letter in by March 1st, if you don't than the expiration date changes from 30 Jun 2012 to 30 Jun 2013. So the ILPRA has no effect until 90 days before expiration date which hasn't happened yet due to Shield's fuck up
Dealing with Rahm, maybe it would be a good idea to let the contract roll over in perpetuity and forgo the retro just so we can keep what we already have.
Okay Shields!
How about we elect a real union leader and obtain a fair and equitable contract!
Why is everyone assuming that this was an oversight by mike "deer in the headlights" shields?
I seem to recall reading a memo from a certain secretary that outlined how mike was reminded of this deadline - repeatedly- and still ignored it.
Now who is the traitor, mike?
Playng with my mobey is like playing with my emotions, and you ypu f---ing idiot are playing with my emotions. If any one votes this idiot to a secobd term, then you are just as fucked up as he is. HOLY SHIT
I personally asked Mike Shields if he failed to get the paper work in on time and he told me he "got it in right before the deadline, don't listen to the rumors" This friend of mine lied to my face and I am livid. Shields your word means nothing to me and you always told me to not listen to the nonsense and now this. Mike I have supported you and spoken up on your behalf since you took office and today I will stop sticking up for you.
your former friend from 018
If Rahm says it then it must be true.
So many cowards on this job today. So afraid. So afraid of Rahm. So afraid of getting sued. So afraid of what's going to happen.
So very, very afraid.
I thought the firemen are supposed to be the dumb ones?
Anonymous said...
How in God's name could that happen? Rich Aguilar was re elected, Donahue was held on a "consultant" and Sid Davis got re elected (then left afterwards) and who else? Geez, just with Rich being there that should not have happened. Either way Mike had a duty to know his responsibilities. I know mistakes happen but that's why airline pilots make so much money because they have to be well educated or people die. Unreal Mike. Learn your job and shame on your re elected staff for not assisting you.
Signed, Disappointed.
3/13/2013 07:35:00 AM
Sid Davis was re-elected as Recording Secretary and still is Recording Secretary. Shields did not retain Sid as a Field Rep and the Field Raps work in the office at HQ and make the Captain's pay.
Caparelli also is not a Field Rap... McCarthy lost the election but was appointed as Field Rep. Saul DelRivero lost his election and was also appointed as Field Rep.
Yes, someone should have clued Mike in to important deadlines. Donahue was around. Recall Mike cleaned house when he got in, he fired Pleines and fired almost all of the inside office civilians so who was around that knew that letter was due?
I knew it but I lost my election so I wasn't around to offer advice that, hey, that letter needs to get sent.
Retro will be there in the end just as sure as VRI.
Dont always believe what you read in the newspapers here in Chicago.
Mike "PINNOCCHIO" Shields,and his integrity? Also Donahue and his lawyer friend J.D. that cost FOP $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Shield's incompetence is costing every copper an average of $4,000 in lost retroactive pay.
Shields is not a leader. All you sheeple think he does a great job because he goes on television and cries. Guess what that makes him a cry baby. Again he is supposed to be a leader. I have not heard any solution to the pension problem come out of his mouth, as the leader of the FOP or when he represented us at the pension fund he has never talked of a solution to the pension crisis. If he thinks the answer is that the city wil just come up with more Money because they like us then he is crazier than even his father thinks.
Let's pick a week to boycott vri . All of us. Po"s det, sgts lts .... They can't do shit to us . Its voluntary ..
Shields fired the secretary who typed it last time and would have known to do it. Shields fired the attorney who made sure it was done in a timely manner for several contracts. Shields couldn't be bothered to simply pull up the previous letter by Donahue and tell a secretary, "Change Donahue's name to mine and change the date, and we're good."
And it's not just one year of a pay raise. If I get a thousand dollar pay raise, that is a thousand dollars more per year for EVERY year that I remain employed. It is also the compounding on that thousand dollars every year that I get a percentage pay raise.
For example, if you get steady 2% pay raises every year on a starting salary of $50,000, the money you lose each year adds up: 1,000 + 1,020 + 1,040.40 + 1,061.20 + 1,082.43 + 1,104.08 + 1,126.16 + 1,148.68 + 1,171.65 + 1,195.09 = $10,949.69 taken from you by Mike Shields over ten years because of his arrogance and incompetence. (If you start at $50,000/year with little raises). This doesn't address how much he took from you in your retirement because of a year without a pay raise.
Hmm..$10,949 times 9,500 cops equals $104,015,500 little Mikey Shields playing with the big boys costs you (starting at $50,000 with 2% raises over ten years). How much is in the legal defense fund to compensate the membership for Mikey's gross negligence?? Oh Mikey, can you pull that kind of money you owe the membership out of your ass?
Didn't think so.
Fuck you Mikey and your followers. Oww my titties hurt from you sucking so hard on them!
I'd say let this roll over, and over, and over. What we have now is better than ANYTHING rham is going to toss our way... Sgt's were offered a spear to sit on... imagine what he will offer US..
OT: But any Forensic Mope or for that matter anyone with a 4th grage education KNOWS the daddy used his child as a human shield. Dope sure was in pamper. But media dont report that shit. BOO used his kid as a shield while he was running away. That's why Boo got shot in the ass and baby shot FIVE TIMES from front. In liver, chest, heart, front of leg and shoulder! U understand play rev brooks. WE DID NOT HOLD CHILD UP TO TAKE BULLETS! UNDERSTAND MARY MITCHELL? THE FUCKIN POOLEEZEZ DINT DO THIS. Well fuck it. Will just continue and dont fuckin care as long as whitey bein blamed. HUHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Scc I'll point out in the past, a bunch of aldermen got together and decided to open up legislation on firearm registration when a certain ALDERMAN forgot to reregister his firearms in a timely manner.
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/clout_st/2008/06/mell-pushes-gun.html
Certainly the City's Aldermen can vote to open up the retro clause in the police contract as a show of good faith and fairness.
Good Luck CPD blues, your not the city's enemy's.
They cannot fire you bringing NONREVENUE generating statistics. Goofy Bus Checks,Contact Cards, Curfews,School Absentees and you will be Golden. No more Movers or Parker's.
I thought the firemen are supposed to be the dumb ones?
3/13/2013 03:17:00 PM
Ha, ha, ha. THAT made me laugh......and they are.
Maybe it's time to start calling out you clueless coworkers who are walking in with handfuls of Revenue. Wake up people we are at war.
Don't let him divide us. We have him by the balls, if he had the votes to get pension legislation, he would have done it without the Sergeants help. He needed a stooge to open the door and it backfired. he was already in Springfield bragging about how he was gonna get an "unprecedented change in the pension" Stick by your union and fuck these politicians, you've lost nothing. Be safe!!!
The retro is insignificant.
Pension and Medical benefits ARE significant.
Rahms way is to divide and conquer. We cannot let this happen.
Mr. Shields, do your job and don't give anything back.
NO RETRO CHECK GUYS N GALS! If U did not sign up for the 55 and out YOU have lost that. Did not think guys on came on job with were that fuckin stupid. Work OT and pay 900 per month health care dumd fucks. And No Cola and young kids just a fraction of your pension. Do yall really believe this pompous little fuck we have for a mayor is gonna just say that they won? He a VINDICTIVE MOTHA FUCKA and will fuck you every which way possible. Never taken it in the bottom? You may enjoy it. I never took it did but retired while pension and ins still there. BWAHAHAHA.
Anonymous said...
The Letter = Red Herring
So when we get the retro pay, what are you gonna blame Shields for?
The City cannot withhold it regardless of what their PR newspaper machine says. Even if the letter was sent a day late or two days late or a week late, state law trumps some inconsistent contract provision in our CBA. Illinois law gives the FOP 60 days to serve the City with notice--which it apparently did within that time frame.
While this blog may not know this, Rahm does. But he doesn't care.
What he cares about is taking away our pensions. This is what the rank and file should be worried about. We're gonna get our retro pay. But if Rahm has his way we might lose a whole lot more than that.
This letter flap is just another attempt by him to create division amongst us. See it for what it is people. While we're bitching about whether Shields slept on this, Rahm is wide awake reloading for another attack our our futures. Our past is safe--we're gonna get our retro one way or another. Start looking ahead people. We have a real fight on the horizon.
3/13/2013 08:54:00 AM
Agreed.
If Rahm don't like Mike, let's get rid of him right?
Congrats on being Tiny dancer's bitches if you fall for that bullshit.
"Ari, Rahm and I watched Dr. King’s arrival from a relatively safe distance as my mother kept us on the edge of the marching group ... All three of us were nervous about what might happen. But we could see that the police were on our side..."
Not anymore asshole.
you have to grow a set and write parkers near alderman's offices , around the churches on sunday
Come to think of it Mike didn't do anything to help our pensions when we elected him to the pension board. One things for sure he is consistent.
No worries, Dan Shields said it right. Losing 2012 is like losing a happy meal every day, wait Gil we lose the pension. That will be something to cry about. Dan you rock!
When is the next FOP election?
Now we're dealing with Rahm and the police hating media. Shields may have screwed up but he's not the enemy. In the face of what's coming we need a strong unified force to deal with it. Stop the petty sniping.
Cops Vote
But they Vote Democrate
RHAMBOooooooooooooo won by how many votes??????????
Time to March Like we did back when Tim Fallon was with FOP
Cops Deserve Combat Pay
Thank god Tiny Dancer has the answer - fire Mikey and elct Jimmy Ade!
How about the city keep my $2k in retro, in turn, lift the residency law....Deal??
"Don't let the city divide us, folks. It's clear under the ILRA that retro will be worked into our new contract. Anyone knowing anything about labor law knows that statutory law as it applies to labor relations trumps language in the cba. The ILRA gives the bargaining unit 60 days to terminate the contract from the expiration of the contract. Yes, Shields could have avoided this problem by sending in the letter a few weeks earlier, but it won't change the outcome. The Tiny Dancer is pissed he got his pension "reform" thrown back into his face, and he's using this issue to hide his defeat and divide the membership. Don't let him."
I know a little about the law. And the minute the time period to send the letter expired, by operation of the contract, the contract was extended for one year. This means that when Mikey boy sent his letter in 60 days before as required under statute, the contract had already been extended and was therefore moot. If him and Geiger took a break from eating steak dinners and chasing tail every night on the member's dime, they may have known how the law operates.
You think retro doesn't matter? Look at it this way. Even without retro, FOP has forfeited one year of raises, which we say is conservatively, 2%. Every raise after is a percentage of the previous year salary. FOP has shorted itself the benefit of that raise for every year for the rest of your career and into your pension. It has been given away. You will not get it back. Free money that should have been yours goes back to the city.
I cannot understand why no one from FOP doesn't do anything about the leadership's incompetency. Has anyone called the state lodge to complain about the breach of fiduciary duty? Has anyone asked how much was paid to settle with Pleines when he was fired? How much to settle with the victims of sexual harassment when it ocurred at the hands of FOP executives? Its the members' money that is being used to foot these bills yet nobody cares. And now, when money was clearly left on the table by the ignorance of a few, I still see the "he's a great guy" posts. This cost the members money and will keep costing! Meanwhile, the FOP decision members continue to make captain's and commander's pay and sit on the glass at every Hawk's home game in seats paid for by the poor schlep working the beat car in the ghetto on midnites.
You get what you deserve.
Vote Shields Ha Never Again
Anonymous Anonymous said...
What a goof? Hopefully the arbitrator sticks it in Rahm's ear and awards a higher raise percentage to make up for that "lost year"
3/13/2013 11:05:00 AM
Obviously you haven't been paying attention to ARBITRATION City of Chicago style. The arbitrator always rules in favor of the city!!
Letter my ass - Rahm wants us scared, poor and stupid - you are either his bitch or he hates your ass - count me as hated. Keep being a thorn in that prick's side Mike.
OT--
Does shortshanks still have his bodyguards?
Is he going to keep them for life, like ex-presidents?
Is Rahm going to get them for life too?
Slow Down No PArkers No Movers
Did TD learn 'hard ball' at New Trier High School in Winnetka? This is a fucking disgrace that this whimp is playing us like suckers - he has come right out & said he wants us to hate Mike and FOP & you assholes are faling for it? unbelievable
Until today I did not know that Don O'Neill wrote SCC
Wait till the property tax next year Now We'r SCRWED
Well the fop cost me 6 months of retro from 2012. We had a contract for first 6 months of the year. Our raise would have been 1 percent for those 6 months. So fop cost me $375 before taxes. After taxes $250 less in my pocket. This is for those with 5-10 years on the job. The math is right. Math is for 6 months not a year
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Hey! You can Always hit the Medical!
Figure out what your Loss of Retro Pay is for 2012,
Divide by your Daily Rate of Pay,
However many Days it takes to recover your losses over the course of your remaining time on the job...Take the Day(s) Off (up to 3 days at a time) with Pay!
Fuck Me Rahm? Nooooooo, Fuck You!
Make sure it's between your days off! Don't want to miss McStupids VRI Special Employment $$$
It's ok I'll just work more VRI.
Who should I trust - a weasel who lied about hiring cops and screwing us on our pensions or the FOP Prez who had our back at the Pension Board and kicked ass on the Sgt's pension sell-out?
I got to call Jim Ade about this one...
Rahm said "What I appreciated about Jim Ade is he showed leadership."
Rahm leadership=sell-out. Rahm hates you=you got our back
Once upon a time there was a mean man....
Can you please tell that story again. It was a great "FICTION" story. One that needs to be told to all good boys and girls.
Anonymous said...
I loved reading the email that the FOP sent out to members when this news hit the papers yesterday.
The email blames the City for a "letter" rising from the ashes because of the no vote on the sergeants contract. They try to tie the pension fight in the argument. Did the FOP just not justify the sergeants voting down their contract because of tying in the pension debate with contract issues?
The FOP is blaming the City for their failures and crying foul when the City tells them our current contract was extended to the end of June 2013 because of FOPs failure to submit the letter in the time stipulated in the contract.
The letter then goes on about how the City is betraying us. Hey Mikey, you are the one who is betraying us when you have lied to us for the last year in regards to the letter disaster. You are the one who has not been bargaining in good faith with your members. You fucked up in not sending the letter in during the time frame the contract stipulates and the City still held negotiation meetings with you over the last year even though they did not have too. Now when they break off meetings you are trying to put the blame on them. You fucked up.
Stop trying to twist your fuck up back on the City. Sounds like they extended an olive branch by bargaining over the past year when they never had to and could have just waited to 1 July 2013.
Members, this is why we do not vote in a person who has ZERO union experience. Never was on the board. Never was a unit rep. Was never even a watch rep. Hell he probable has never even filled out a grievance. He always talks about the lack of experience in the command structure of our department yet he has zero experience in union business before this past election. Oh and don't go on about the pension board, other then a couple of Youtube videos what did he actually do when he was on the pension board? For the couple of non scandals of Weis and Hubberman that he paraded around about there were dozens of bullshit duty disabilities that he voted for that should not have been approved.
AND WHAT DO YOU DO ????? BITCH ON A BLOG.
I heard Pope Francis in his first act as pope contacted Mike Shields and forgave him for lying to all of us and then said he needs to resign for his penance. To bad he will not be forgiven by me since I could have had a little extra cash in my pocket.
Anonymous said...
Are you fucking kidding me? Shields (OUR PRESIDENT) fucks up and fails to submit the paperwork, lies to us to keep the heat off of him and now me and all my brothers and sisters in blue are going to be our raise first year raise for June 2012-2013! Whoah! Lets get a class action going against Mike Shields, where do I sign. He needs to be held accountable.
You're a goof.... class action suit !!! grow up, maybe if you saved some money, you wouldn't be living paycheck to paycheck. Its like a thousand bucks, idiot.
Mayor Rahm is just a piece of SHIT!
I hope his future is trashed with all the violence going on!
Fucking asshole!
Guys and girls, now is not the time to play into the hands of that little shit on the fifth floor.
We need to stay united. The FOP did what it had to do regarding the Sergeants so-called deal. I personally am glad they did. What gave them the right to negotiate my pension benefits away?
All this is is an attempted bitch slap at our president for doing the right thing about the Sergeants deal.
Even worse, our supposed leader, Rahm, is willing to hurt 10,000 coppers and their families to accomplish this. I'd cast a ballot for Daley before I would ever vote for this asshole.
If anybody seriously thinks that for the first year of retro we would get 1% U R HIGH AS FUCK. In contracts past the first year was usually 1%. In this economy with this mayor ur looking at jack shit. Who gives a fuck about some pittance we'll wind up with. We always get screwed in arbitration. Why is this year any different?
Epic Fail!! What does that amount too money wise$$$
$750 to $1250 clear after taxes. Big deal. Keep your eye on the enemy. Rahm.
Instead of electing a copper to be head of the union why can't we elect a board who can hire someone that really knows about unions and contracts.
You want someone who is not the police to run our FOP. Go home and punch yourself in the head, IDIOT.
Anonymous said...
the city lies. if they won't give retro, why are we negotiating?
3/13/2013 06:31:00 AM
Please tell me you're not serious.
You idiots are blinded by that retro check and any other carrot dangled in front of you, because you want immediate gratification.
Being an adult means being able to resist urges to grab that immediate gratification.
You have to think ahead, and think long-term.
For those of you who brush aside retiree issues because it's a long way off, trust me, the time flies by, and hopefully you will be a retiree with a long healthy life after this job.
Think like the grownups you are supposed to be.
Seems like Rahm didn't get his way with the Sgts, in large part thanks to the FOP.
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Can you name anything he did besides come out with an announcement? Did he contact sgts. personally? What else did FOP do? I'd really like to know, I'm not being sarcastic.
I can't stand Shields' smug ass, but it was a split young/old ticket. Typical old timers not helping out the younger guys.
Donahue and all the rest who've headed FOP have made backdoor deals and sold their souls to the devil.
They've all lied to us, they've all profited from us and from the position they've held as FOP president.
We were screwed by an old veteran, and we're getting screwed by a youngster.
Same shit, different day.
We better learn to stick together, because this is war my friends, and it's going to get mighty ugly.
When I came on the job we stuck together. If a WC stuck it to the troops, it was swiftly dealt with by whatever means necessary, until he got the message. We had the power then and we would still have it now if we stick together.
When I came on the job there were guys nearing retirement who started in the 60's. They'd cut smart-asses to ribbons with one well-placed remark, bosses included.
Coppers who came before us fought hard for the benefits we now enjoy. Don't give them up.
I just finished reading all the comments about how one of the veterans should have told him to send letter. How do you know that one or more of them didn't tell him? Maybe he just made the decision not to send it.
Anonymous said...
..so glad I'm gone next month. Best time to leave. Free health care . My deferred in dow market is at record level. Summer gonna be horrendous but I dont have to deal with it ever again. Waiting for a contract that will obviously be crap will be a distant memory as I look out over the water..cya .. and good luck..
3/13/2013 07:56:00 AM
I've got about a year and a half to go, plan to leave at 55, especially if the free health care is still available.
Can someone advise if the city can pull that after you retire with that as a benefit?
Anonymous said...
The retro is insignificant.
Pension and Medical benefits ARE significant.
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You're absolutely right. Pension and medical are the cupcake and the frosting. The rest, like retro, uniform allowance, shift differential, etc, even if we had to give up a holiday, those are just the sprinkles.
The Fop Vice President was part of the old regime. Don't these guys talk to each other? The VP knows the routine you would think.
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