Sergeant Contract Fails (UPDATE)
Not just fails, but crashes and burns.
Approximately 900 - to - 100.
In the old days, the leader of such a disaster would either cut their own stomach open, or shave their heads and become a monk, never to be seen again.
Hopefully, Rahm does both.
Back to the drawing board.
UPDATE: Sun Times link here:
A stunning blow to whom? The only three people pushing for this were Rahm, PBPA President Ade and Fran Spielman. Get a load of how she describes this "deal" in the article:
(1) Raised the retirement age; (2) Increased pension contributions by 3%; (3) raised health care costs for retirees; (4)forfeit cost-of-living every other year; (5) limited COLA.Approximately 900 - to - 100.
In the old days, the leader of such a disaster would either cut their own stomach open, or shave their heads and become a monk, never to be seen again.
Hopefully, Rahm does both.
Back to the drawing board.
UPDATE: Sun Times link here:
- Chicago Police sergeants on Monday resoundingly rejected a proposed, four-year contract with the city tied to pension and health care reform, dealing a stunning blow to Mayor Rahm Emanuel’s efforts to solve the city’s pension crisis.
Emanuel had praised Chicago Sergeants Association President Jim Ade for the “courage” he demonstrated in cutting a deal the mayor hoped would serve as a “road map” for other unions to follow.
But the divide-and-conquer strategy that touched off a civil war among Chicago Police officers failed miserably with the rank-and-file.
A stunning blow to whom? The only three people pushing for this were Rahm, PBPA President Ade and Fran Spielman. Get a load of how she describes this "deal" in the article:
- By an overwhelming vote of 876 to 134, sergeants rejected the groundbreaking deal that would have raised the retirement age for sergeants to 53; increased employee pension contributions from 9 percent to 12 percent by January 2015, raised health care contributions for new retirees to 2 percent of annuities, forfeited cost-of-living increases every other year and limited C.O.L.A. in intervening years to 2.5 percent with simple interest.
The tentative agreement also included a 9 percent pay raise spread over four years while maintaining the $1,800-a-year uniform allowance and $3,220 in annual duty availability pay that supplements a sergeant’s income.
Wow. The Sergeants sure negotiated a GREAT contract!!! Plus they held the line on Duty Availability AND Uniform Allowances, something that the FOP negotiated years ago in lieu of pay raises - remember?
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posted by SCC at 1:31 PM
210 Comments:
Thank God!!
HA-HA!
*Trumpet Fanfare and a Fart*
We sergeants aren't as dumb as we look :-) and please stop bashing Jimmy Ade for trying to do what he felt was right. His instructions from us members was to retain what we had and he accomplished that. The offer never would have been made by the city without the pension attached.
Sergeants rock , we are the Backbone of Chicago's Finest .
Sergeants have always run the watches and have finally been recognized by GMAC . Now we must demand to be compensated for our new responsablity.
There will be new leadership in Sergeants PBPA , we will never sell out our current or future retirees .
Our current leadership attempted to sell out the entire Chicago Police Dept and retirees .
100 spineless sgts voted yes , you can bet your last dollar they are merit sgts assigned to cushy units.
This is a great day, I hope we can also stick together and hold out for a FAIR CONTRACT.
I applaud all the Sgts who voted NO. For all you Sgts who voted YES, go back and drown your sorrows at Rahms cool aid stand.
State of Illinois settled with SEC for underfunding pensions as from 2005-2009 and lieing to investors about it. Wait for it....... A whopping 0 dollar fine and a stern talking to.
1. To the active duty Sergeant’s thank you for not selling the retired Sergeant’s down the river. Thank you again.
2. To SCC thank you for allowing us to the opportunity to express our opions in this forum.
3. To the 134 active duty Sergeant’s what are you thinking? Too much college and not enough grade school?
4. To Jimmy Ade how could you send this pile of horse sit to the members for a vote? You and Steve Robbins both have to feel used and abused by racoon eyes.
5. And thank you Mr. Mayor!!! You weakened the CPSA, strengthened FOP, solidified labor in the whole state for a common purpose - defeating you in the next election - you evil and vile dwarf.
T.R.P.
ps: Hey paully Bilotta no hair plugs for you!
if they can hand out billions in welfare they can afford to pay their workers.
Excellent! Now if only the Chicago, Cook County electorate could display such wisdom, we could vote these corrupt Democratic muthafuckas out of office in a landslide. In my dreams...
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Seppuko sounds like a possible cure... Though that requires a very strong sense of honor and duty.
>Snort of Disgust<
Rotten, traitorous motherfuckers were chained together and sewn into a sail when the ship was compromised.
Then the squirming, crying, shitting and screaming bundle o' joy was kicked and nudged at bayonet point until it tumbled overboard. And the ship sailed on...
Six of one... Half dozen of the other.
Good to see the rejection but somehow the local Machine Media will spin this as a win for Tiny Dancer and how the sergeants are being difficult.
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There goes the merit Lt spot!
So how much longer does ade have as pb&pa president ?
Can he be ousted before ?
The FOOLS who voted yes should be "castrated" as Jessie would say. 2.25% pay raise per yr and pay 3% into pension. Give up or stay the same after all gained in previous contracts. But lose in retirement age, COLA-not compounded IDIOT FRAn SP-and pay more fore health ins when retired. City would have more leverage taking away the Quarterly big checks they get or do away with the three quarters of an hour OT they get every day for showin up to work. Which they cash in 200 hrs every year for money. NEVER GIVE UP SOMETHING YOU HAVE WON IN PREVIOUS NEGOTIATIONS FOOLS! The AYE voters must be CPS graduates who need 14 inch rims. HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!
132 days and counting before we retired guys get thrown to the wolves by that cucksocker Rahm.
Thank You Sergeants that had the courage to vote No. I just can not understand why all of the Sergeants did not even vote.
I voted against the contract. But mark my words the deal that we and the fop end up with will be far worse than what we just rejected. You will not have the same pension a year from now that we have today. The sooner people realize that the better.
Rahm will really be pulling out the daggers now.
He doesn't like it when people thumb their nose at him.
Best news of the day .
Get rid of cola for current retired officers and 2.5 % every other year .
we are guarenteed 1.5 % every year at age 60 . thanks but no thanks.
these political appointed hacks with cushy units or slow districts
can kiss our butts.
A hearty salute to the 876 active-duty Sergeants of Police who saw the truth about Ade's Folly. God bless you all. And thank you.
i think tiny is beginning to see the light. people are starting to say no in a big way.
the police have put up with a lot of b/s from all sides and now it's boiling over. i wonder what will be the next big issue
Please seperate us from the other unions around the Country. Like a 401K, we have been paying into our pension at over 9% and our healthcare too.
I was amazed that many Unions are still paying little or nothing. We have put in our end. No "forgiving" the City anything.
We just proved that we are aware of the time of day. We knew a horrible deal when we saw it. We knew a sellout deal was being presented to us and we overwhelmingly shot it down. The rank and file know we won't throw them under the bus like captains did two years ago.
Will the union leaders keep their nice spots after failing to convince sergeants to vote yes .
black smoke was coming out of rahmmies ears .
This Sgt Ade is a fucking snake and a dumb one at that! I've never seen so many Sgt.'s hate a guy so much. Just the fact that Rahm loved the deal should have been a huge red flag. Dump Ade!
Wow how did they even get 134 sgts to vote for this. You've got to be kidding me. Rahmtard is sooooooo pissed right now. Those 134 sgts should be tarred and feathered and stuffed in those stupid ass code of silence boxes. Suck it rahmy.
Still, how could over 100 vote yes on this thing?? Thank God the majority have the brains to see through the raw deal.
Hey Jimmie....the pucker meter attached to your asshole must be melting down its so tight. LOL!!!!!!Next time stop sucking Rham's as so hard and maybe you'll get something accomplished. This vote probably sealed your fate so enjoy the rest of your pathetic term.
Who are the 100 that voted yes? Must be "meritorious".
It was proposed by few, opposed by most, so let's just get on with working 'together' now for the good of all.
Rahm has to be furious, this was a big gamble by him to get a small union to set the pace for all the others. I would believe that no arbitrator will get tangled up in pension issues. That is far beyond the scope of labor contract talks, so it should be a quick arbitration, ha!
I have a feeling the legislature was waiting to see the outcome of this, I still fear what those idiots will do to us if they get a chance. Strike one Rahm, but he still has a bat! Watch out a dictator scorned...............
The pension fund and health care for retirees will end up even worse than the deal. Please no comments about it is the law and city has to comply and that it would take a constitutional amendment to change certain aspects.
For a hundred years bond holders were always at the head of the line before anyone else in bankruptcy-- what happened to GM and Chrysler bondholders-- that was the law. HAHA
The Pols in springfield will get around any so called Law that is on the books.
Justice to the elites is Just Us.
now lets watch the city offer the Lts or Capts (or hell even FOP) same sorta pension reform support rider BUT with actual contractural incentives (money for POs-- new better bs capt assgnments---give lts back desk sgt slaves)and see how fast one of the other unions says YES (and how well rewarded the negotiating teams all end up)
Well, because of this move there will be no pension for anyone 15 years from now. Yes the city caused the problem but it needs to be fixed by us.. Like it or not but that's the way it has to be. Remember this day because we now will only have enough for the current pension for the next 14.8 years. I guess nobody here actually figured out the math did they??? Greed now means death later. I hope it's worth it.
Only three wanted it? No. Four,
Ade, Spielman, Rahm and PLEINES!
Good for the day in day out working Sgts. It surely would have set a precedent.
Thanks from a retiree.
Off topic, but interesting nonetheless. The Security and Exchange Commission accuses Illinois of securities fraud. Why am I not surprised?
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/12/business/sec-accuses-illinois-of-securities-fraud.html?hp&_r=0
The 134 who voted for this disaster should be tarred and feathered. Those are the real sellouts.
It's not pension reform, it's pension cuts. The least that you can do is be honest about what it is and not use weasel words.
interesting story here on the state pensions, the numbers, and blame game too. They throw Blago under the bus and use him to blame it all on.
How the actuary table of 50 years were used instead of 30 years for example like everyone else.
The taxpayers getting screwed, the pensioners getting screwed and the bondholders getting screwed and the people that done it? Well they get off free (execept for Blago) not admitting or denying anything JUST LIKE THE CORPORATE BANKING CARTEL that's running this show.
How did we let it get to this?
Politicians with sworn oaths to uphold the US and State constitutions , abide by the laws and instead violating the laws and dismantling the constitutional amendments one by one every chance they get. The 2nd, the 1st, the 4th and the 10th amendments for starters.
I'm not sure that throwing out the democrat gang leaders and putting in the republican gang leader will fix it anymore either. It's all been corrupted and both parties bought and paid for by the corporate money.
Heh, they told us that the terrorist want to push us back to a living standard of the 1700's but our current leaders are doing it for them.
example: From what I understand
the new NDAA laws that congress passed, (both parties) -- the president has the power of a king, a pre-Magna Carta King that can call you an enemy combatent with no proof, no trial and either hold you in dentention indefinetely or order your execution in a drone attack if necessary to take you out.
How many consitutional amendments does that action violate?
And posse comitatus?? Hell naw, that's the DHS setting up checkpoints in our cities, they're not federal troops. That's silly. It's for your saftey. Taking away your firearms is for your safety. Taking away free speech is for your safety. The NDAA is for your safety. Right?
I may have drifted a bit OT but it's the same M/O as the pensions. A little bit at a time, money and/or freedoms.
Now everyone is getting the we are reforming your pensions for your retirement safety in so many words.
It's like someone broke into your home stole your check book and emptied your bank account. We know who the crook is but he refuses to admit or deny anything. However he has agreed to getting you a better deadbolt lock on your front door for you so we let him off. Oh, what about your money? Well we can offer you a direct deposit plan so that you can replace it yourself. YO-YO You are On Your Own sucker.
5th floor pension czar will change
pension formula for all current officers 3% increase employee contributions , 55 and 25 = 50% ,
2% for every year over 25 with a maximum pension 65% , no free health care,maximum mandatory retirement age raised to 65 .
no more cola for future retirees
I'm still scratching my head that 134 people actually voted yes to this. These are people that are supposed to give proper direction. Good lord help us.
Can anyone chime in who voted yes and give us a reason why??? Stupidity?? Were you voting for American Idol?? Dancing with the stars??
Wow 876 no votes , 134 yes man votes , yes votes did not come from the district patrol .
next president election will have the same results .
Great job voting down the contract Sergeants. I hope that my Business Manager, who's currently kissing up to Rahm, gets the message.
There are a lot of City worker's who are grateful to all of you who voted no today.
Anybody who would not openly discourage their kid from entering this profession is either politically connected(promotional fast track) or plain nuts falling a little short as a parent!
wow!.....never thought it would not pass by that margin...anyway, thought the Sergeants never got a good deal, instead, Rahm shoved this as a way to leverage the other unions and push some pension bullshit downstate; now, it's time for an arbitrator (apparently), and, watch for Rahm (it's all about me!) to go ballistic, displaying all of his talents (minimal as they are): arrogance, condescension, sarcasm, all of the personal traits that make him so lovable....
It's about time the CPD showed some balls...... And let's not forget taxpayers, the pension issue would not be an issue/problem if YOUR CURRENT AND FORMER MAYORS would have done their part and paid into the pension as required by law. THEY FUCKED UP, not us.
Well done sarge. I'm still not writing a contact card tonight.
another "question" that might be on the minds of some....if the pols gut the pensions of the first responders (police and fire), what happens if....they don't "perform as effectively" as they used to?....
WTF IS THIS FROM THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
SEC Charges Illinois Over Pension Funding
The agency said the state misled bond investors by failing to disclose how it was underfunding its pension system. The state settled the charges without admitting wrongdoing.
Broken Windows, or, broken streetlights?
Ahhh, what's it matter. Last one left get the lights....thanks.
What were the 100 sgt thinking? Maybe promised merit promotion? Thank you to the 900 with a spine.
Hey 2:36 then why did u vote against it if we're only going to get worse - STFU
Thank You Sgt's for not selling out!
Celebrate the victory...as Japan celebrated Pearl Harbor. Hold tight boys and girls, you are about to get the ass fucking of your life!!
It's time to take the gloves off and this is a step in the right direction. Blueshirts now need to step up and shut down the Revenue Stream and come in with NO PARKER'S or MOVERS. To keep your V.R.I. bring in ANYTHING but $$$$. Stop being such pussies
My ballot resembled a peppermint patty wrapper ... Drappy
so.....there will be much made about Rahm, and the Mayor's office, about their response to the Sergeants' rejection of the contract offer, and Rahm will speak loudly about the unfairness, and his commitment to the Chicago taxpayers (eh, how about an accounting re: all of the Chicago TIF funds?)....the truth: Rahm, and the guy in the White House, are not that smart....politically smart, maybe, but intellectually smart, not so....Obama is hailed as Harvard Law (eh?).....Rahm, and Obama?....so...so what....take these guys out somewhere and ask them questions about a lot of local or normal life or college class type questions...they would be lost....actually, they would qualify for a degree in bullshit
When will president hemorAde resign
now that he had his ass handed to him . Time for a new negotiating team .
a Giant F@#k Off to those 134 sgt's!!!
I have a feeling they were looking at retirement and basically saying screw everyone else i'm gonna get mine.
You sell outs white shirts are no better than a ghetto rat trying to file a Bullshit lawsuit.
Unfortunately Rahm has it in his hard head that he simply will not honor our pensions cause he doesn't like the current system.
The Securities and Exchange Commission accuses Illinois of securities fraud as relates to misleading investors about chronic underfunding of the public pension system:
http://www.sec.gov/news/press/2013/2013-37.htm
To the political hack mayoral aide referenced in the
sun-times article, with the number of votes returned a fifth grader could tell that "outsiders" had little influence in the results. A deal that only benefitted rahm is what was rejected.
Little man rahm is always referring to himself when he declares he is doing something for the "voters."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/11/sec-illinois-pension-idUSL1N0C35OT20130311
WASHINGTON, March 11 (Reuters) - Illinois, which has the worst-funded state pension system in the United States, agreed on Monday to settle federal civil securities fraud charges alleging it repeatedly misled municipal bond investors about the underfunding of its pensions, the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission said on Monday.
Illinois neither admitted or denied the charges and was not ordered to pay a penalty. It agreed to change its practices to more fully disclose risks to bond investors.
The settlement of charges that Illinois failed from 2005 to early 2009 to fully tell investors the risks of buying $2.2 billion worth of its municipal bonds is the latest blow to the state's reputation as fiscally troubled and crippled by a pension shortfall of $98.6 billion.
In official statements accompanying bond offerings Illinois explained that factors such as market performance had contributed to the increase in its unfunded pension liability, but it "misleadingly omitted to disclose the primary driver of the increase - the insufficient contributions," the SEC said.
In order to keep its contributions low, Illinois had developed a complicated system that included "ramp-ups" and "pension holidays," the SEC said.
Instead of paying to pension funds what actuaries had determined to be the annual contributions, Illinois followed a funding plan approved by the legislature that deferred the payment of pension obligations, compounding its pension burden.
The legislature phased in the state's contribution over a fifteen-year "ramp" period, where the amount Illinois put in gradually grew until in 2011 it made the full amount. It then had to put in a level amount so the pension system was funded by 2045.
The state went further, amortizing pension costs over 50 years, instead of the typical 30, which gave it a longer window to pay off the liability. Then, it lowered the contributions in 2006 by 56 percent and in 2007 by 45 percent in "pension holidays."
INSTITUTIONAL FAILURES
There were also institutional failures, according to the regulator. The Illinois government relied on bond underwriters, consultants and lawyers to advise them what to disclose but those same groups were relying on the state for the advice, SEC said.
"The result was a process in which no one person fully accepted responsibility for identifying and analyzing potential pension disclosures," the settlement document said.
Beginning in 2009, the state took steps to address the commission's concerns, the SEC said. Over the last four years, Illinois has improved disclosures in the pension section of its bond offering documents, retained disclosure counsel, and instituted written policies on disclosure.
In 2010, the state also enacted a law that employees hired after Jan. 1, 2011 would have a higher retirement age and lower pension.
Governor Pat Quinn said the commission had acknowledged the "proactive steps" Illinois took improve its pension disclosures, and that "the state began these enhancements prior to being contacted by the SEC."
Many states had long short-changed their pension funds, and when their revenues collapsed during the 2007-09 recession, they pulled even further back on contributions. At the same time the leading source of revenues for pensions, investments, plummeted in the financial crisis. According to Pew Center on the States, the pension gap for all states is currently $757 billion.
Illinois Comptroller Judy Baar Topinka, a Republican who was not in office when the alleged abuses took place, said the state has done "the right thing."
"Unfortunately we will all be paying for the mishandling of the pension funds for many years to come. At the time I warned that raiding our pension funds and borrowing to make our payments was a 'ticking financial time bomb' and sadly, that has come to pass," Topinka said.
And just to think Sgts that I know voted YES called all of those voting NO malcontents..............
The pension fund and health care for retirees will end up even worse than the deal. Please no comments about it is the law and city has to comply and that it would take a constitutional amendment to change certain aspects.
For a hundred years bond holders were always at the head of the line before anyone else in bankruptcy-- what happened to GM and Chrysler bondholders-- that was the law. HAHA
The Pols in springfield will get around any so called Law that is on the books.
Justice to the elites is Just Us.
3/11/2013 03:37:00 PM
Hogwash!
Jim Aide needs to resign.. Step down we have no faith in u. Go give the Mayor some much needed lube wrestling.
This was a terrible deal that the Sgts. rejected.
The problem is that we are all going to be fucked big time on the contracts and on the pension.
If you think otherwise, you're soft.
I really liked the way "Step and fetch it" Wysinger and "Fat Boy" Ade both ordered everyone not to talk about the contract at roll call and at the corned beef dinner. That is Rahm psychology all the way and another failed stategy. Ha,Ha "Fat Boy" I'll bet your kid changes his name now asshole.
I got a brillant fix how about the city just putting in the funds what they owe instead of giving the money away on bullshit and welfare like the 55 million for Daley's wife's park (His new girlfriend would like that". just a thought!
The pension fund and health care for retirees will end up even worse than the deal. Please no comments about it is the law and city has to comply and that it would take a constitutional amendment to change certain aspects.
For a hundred years bond holders were always at the head of the line before anyone else in bankruptcy-- what happened to GM and Chrysler bondholders-- that was the law. HAHA
The Pols in springfield will get around any so called Law that is on the books.
Then let them change the law or add an amendment to the constitution. That can be challenged in the courts, but dont just give it away
Please seperate us from the other unions around the Country. Like a 401K, we have been paying into our pension at over 9% and our healthcare too.
I was amazed that many Unions are still paying little or nothing. We have put in our end. No "forgiving" the City anything.
You hit the nail on the head. They are lumping us in with the unions that pay little or nothing and get free healthcare for all employees, 80% and last days salary to determine pension.
I voted against the contract. But mark my words the deal that we and the fop end up with will be far worse than what we just rejected. You will not have the same pension a year from now that we have today. The sooner people realize that the better.
Dont bet on that. The reason the mayor wants to negotiate away the pension is that he knows deminishing the pension cannot stand a court challenge Quinn has already said that and the other reason last week on a test vote Madigan found out the legislature doesnt want to and doesnt have the vote to diminish the pension, especially the COLA
O.T.
Attention All CPD and CFD Personnel, Active and Retired!!!
A Town Hall Meeting will be held regarding legislation that may impact our pensions. Illinois State Senator Bill Cunningham will be speaking. Date: 25 March 2013. Time:7:00P.M. Location: 3807 W. 111th St. (Chicago Agricultural H.S.)
It's Your Future- Let YOUR Voice Be Heard!!
This is what Emanuel wanted all along. His intention? He thinks he's going to put this in front of an aribtration panel (yes a panel, not just one arbitrator anymore) where he thinks he's actually going to threaten the "chairman" of said panel to include allowing a few fucking lawyers to pass their personal judgement on PENSION and Medical benefits.
That's right, Mr. Shitstick thinks he's going to have arbitrators destroy your pensions and healthcare because he thinks this is within their right to determine.
This is NOT within their right. Wages, Hours and Conditions of employment.
NOTHING in state law allows for the determination of retirement benefits OR healthcare contributions. They are not "wages" nor are they "working conditioins" as defined by labor law.
So don't start listening to the panic peddlers telling you you're gonna get fucked in arbitration, because they don't have the statutory authority to even consider anything other than the aforementioned topics.
Nice going though sergeants... I'm proud of 876 of you.
To the other 134..... go FUCK yourselves you sellout ratbastard fuckers.
""I am disappointed members of the Sergeants union voted down this landmark agreement," Emanuel said. "While negotiating this agreement, President Ade and I tried to be honest with taxpayers and employees by finding common ground and a fair compromise that put our City first.""
It is NEVER good when this mayor says nice things aout you. It makes you look like the gimp in the basement. Jimmy will NEVER be elected to a second term. Not ever. Many Sgt's are so angery they have already explored how to de-certify the PBPA as soon as the next contract is passed. Let's see if Rahm rewards Jimmy boy or throws him to the dogs.
I heard two work on 1st watch in 017. Rats and sell outs 134 morons that worry that "someone" is gonna see what you voted for. Get some balls.
Almost 100% vote response though. 1,010 out of 1200 now, not bad. Let's see how the other unions total vote count will be..
rammie found out aid don't control sgts and rammie ain't dealing with those naked pansie congressmen in thje shower
he's dealing with real men and women on cpd
his 134 votes were less than the
30 % merit sgts that he thoght he controlled
the yes votes were mostly merit in ss day off on days in a unit or caps office , yellow bellied cowards
Anonymous said...
I voted against the contract. But mark my words the deal that we and the fop end up with will be far worse than what we just rejected. You will not have the same pension a year from now that we have today. The sooner people realize that the better.
3/11/2013 02:36:00 PM
How do you figure this Einstein? It's an Illinois Constitutionl guaranteed benefit which cannot be diminished UNLESS AGREED UPON by the bargaining units. Rahm is employing scare tactics and retiree healthcare cuts to get what he wants with the pension.
A hearty big "FUCK YOU" to Jim Aide, Mark McDermott and Debra DeYoung.
Guys these are the board members of the Sergeant's Association who were aware of the secret marriage between the now deceased Mary O'Toole who was in charge of the books and John Pallahusky.
IT'S ON JIM!!!!!!
The Sgt.s that voted "Yes", were the ones retiring this year!
I know of a couple Northside District Sgt.s, that voted YES and were planning to pull the plug after ratification! Now they are whining about the contract!
Turncoat basterds!
Da Pelon
The unfunded pension liabilities for the city total over $26 billion. Just saying..
Your are too f'ing funny... "Harry Carrie" ADA after his disgrace.
Get rid of cola for current retired officers and 2.5 % every other year .
we are guarenteed 1.5 % every year at age 60.
Leave us retired guys alone you piece of shit. That your 33 percent when you do 37 years otj.
Can TV had an intersting program on TIF's. Basiclly the City in hiding millions of dollars through this program. You can email bjoravsky @ chicagoreader.com It will make you vomit. FOP such HOOK UP WITH HIM
I never received my ballot !!!
HB3538 solved the police and fire pensions. It was passed and enacted on January 1, 2011. If nothing is ever done or nothing would be said about our pensions, starting in 2015, the city would have to put in their proper share yearly so that in 25 years in 2040 our pension would be funded to 90%. HB3538 mandates that the city puts in the money or the state cannot give them their share of the state city revenue sharing. Thats the problem, the city doesn't want to do that so instead they are trying to get out of their mandated obligations by trying to scare the employees into raising their contributions Dont let that happen. When HB 3538 was passed there was no mention of increased contributions or freezing or reducing COLAS. Why pass a law and honor it if all the city has to do is say I dont want to raise property taxes so let the employees raise their contributions. Our pension is already regulated by HB3538
Highlights at this website
http://www.civicfed.org/civic-federation/blog/senate-bill-3538-police-and-fire-pension-reforms
Rahm has been pretty quiet as of late. Me thinks the treacherous fuck-weasle has stayed up late at night to hatch an even more diabolical scheme to screw the hard working Police! When the Alderfools cut their pay and benefits ,then we will talk about the same for ours!
Today was the proudest day I've had in a long time. Was great to see Ade, Bilotta, and Pleines squirm to the back of the room when the NO stack just kept getting bigger. Heard the guys talking about the ballot that was colored in green Crayon. Classic!!
Greeting to all from the Taylorville Correctional Facility.
It appears that my successor James Ade fucked up big time. You just can't trust that guy.
Anonymous said...
We sergeants aren't as dumb as we look :-) and please stop bashing Jimmy Ade for trying to do what he felt was right. His instructions from us members was to retain what we had and he accomplished that. The offer never would have been made by the city without the pension attached.
3/11/2013 01:41:00 PM
Bullshit he is sneeky and never brought this to the sergeant's at any meetings to see how they felt.
100 spineless sgts voted yes , you can bet your last dollar they are merit sgts assigned to cushy units.
3/11/2013 01:44:00 PM
Yep probably one's that are past the 53 years of age.
ot.
Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy said today he wanted to bring a "broken windows" strategy to Chicago that would allow cops to arrest those who ignore tickets for routine offenses like gambling and public urination.
All he is trying to do is get more cb #'s which are way down.
thanks to all the Sgts who voted No...
DUI - Tennessee Style
Only a person in Tennessee could think of this.
From the county where drunk driving is considered a sport, comes this true story.
Recently a routine police patrol parked outside a bar in Bristol, TN . After last call, the officer noticed a man leaving the bar apparently so intoxicated that he could barely walk. The man stumbled around the parking lot for a few minutes, with the officer quietly observing.
After what seemed an eternity in which he tried his keys on five different vehicles, the man managed to find his car and fall into it. He sat there for a few minutes as a number of other patrons left the bar and drove off. Finally he started the car, switched the wipers on and off--it was a fine, dry summer night--, flicked the blinkers on and off a couple of times, honked the horn and then switched on the lights. He moved the vehicle forward a few inches, reversed a little and then remained still for a few more minutes as some more of the other patrons' vehicles left.
At last, when his was the only car left in the parking lot, he pulled out and drove slowly down the road. The police officer, having waited patiently all this time, now started up his patrol car, put on the flashing lights, promptly pulled the man over and administered a breathalyzer test. To his amazement, the breathalyzer indicated no evidence that the man had consumed any alcohol at all! Dumbfounded, the officer said,"I'll have to ask you to accompany me to the police station. This breathalyzer equipment must be broken."
'I doubt it,' said the truly proud Redneck. 'Tonight I'm the designated decoy.'
Thank God!!!!!!
Anonymous said...
This is a great day, I hope we can also stick together and hold out for a FAIR CONTRACT.
3/11/2013 01:53:00 PM
Me too. Make sure you talk to your brothers and sisters. No matter which way they vote when it does come up, make sure they vote. I think a good rule would be to fill it out and mail it the same day you get it.
I'm ashamed to say, I've put a ballot or two in my bag, meaning to get to it, only to have the deadline pass. I won't make that mistake again. Maybe we can make that a motto--"Get it, vote it, mail it--same day!"
I want to thank the Sgts. that voted this down. You have helped to restore my faith in a department that has lost it's way. Now lets see what FOP is made of.
Anonymous said...
Sergeants rock , we are the Backbone of Chicago's Finest .
Sergeants have always run the watches and have finally been recognized by GMAC . Now we must demand to be compensated for our new responsablity.
There will be new leadership in Sergeants PBPA , we will never sell out our current or future retirees .
Our current leadership attempted to sell out the entire Chicago Police Dept and retirees .
100 spineless sgts voted yes , you can bet your last dollar they are merit sgts assigned to cushy units.
3/11/2013 01:44:00 PM
I'm not a sgt., but I agree. Sgt's have to supervise everything from dead wood to overzealous coppers. You not only have to protect yourself, you've got to look after the troops, some of which are less than grateful. You've got to discipline people while motivating them at the same time. I don't envy beat sgt's at all.
It's got to be the worst job in the dept., especially for those sgt's who have to get up there at compstat.
The last sgt's test I took, I didn't even go to the second part, because I could not see any benefit to leaving the D-unit to become a sgt. in a district.
In an article in Sun Times on this topic Rahm says he's disappointed in the vote but rather smugly says pension reform is coming anyways. Don't forget Rahm is a very sore loser. It's his way or the highway.
Anonymous said...
I voted against the contract. But mark my words the deal that we and the fop end up with will be far worse than what we just rejected. You will not have the same pension a year from now that we have today. The sooner people realize that the better.
3/11/2013 02:36:00 PM
Not if we stick together and stick it to Mikey like you guys stuck it to Ade.
I hope Ade and Billota get thrown out with a vote of no confidence.
White smoke was coming out of Rahms ears. Does that mean a new pope has been elected?
rahmmyhood roadmap for city pensions just hit a DEAD END .
rammyhood won't be stealing from us with the sgt union as his band of merry men.
the truth is sgts run cpd and will not give in like the captain /xo political hacks.
If the True News USA blog is correct, the vote count was 876 to 134.
Certainly an 86.7% totally far surpasses a huge landslide or a mandate critical of Ade's backroom dealings.
The message is loud and clear to Ade and Emanuel:
FUCK YOU!
While we can neither confirm or deny at this time, the 134 sergeant losers may well be clout baby cork soakers to the bone. "Chicago values", you know.
Anonymous said...
Rahm has to be furious, this was a big gamble by him to get a small union to set the pace for all the others. I would believe that no arbitrator will get tangled up in pension issues. That is far beyond the scope of labor contract talks, so it should be a quick arbitration, ha!
I have a feeling the legislature was waiting to see the outcome of this, I still fear what those idiots will do to us if they get a chance. Strike one Rahm, but he still has a bat! Watch out a dictator scorned...............
3/11/2013 03:32:00 PM
It is against labor law for any police union to dare try to negotiate for retirees. Retirees are not part of the bargaining unit. Some years ago the FOP tried to get some wording in the contract regarding some retirees rights. The City's chief labor lawyer Franczek said they would walk out if FOP tried to bring that to the table. Retirees are not covered by the contract. They are no longer City employees.
The pension board represents retirees as does any law firm hired by retirees. For instance, Krislov and Associates represents retirees on the Korshak thing.
Who are the assholes that voted for it?
Celebrate the victory...as Japan celebrated Pearl Harbor. Hold tight boys and girls, you are about to get the ass fucking of your life!!
3/11/2013 05:29:00 PM
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How can you still type with Rhammies dong in your mouth?? You are talented!!!
If wanting what was promised to me over 29 years ago is being greedy... So be it. How is King Daley enjoying his pension?
Anonymous said...
Celebrate the victory...as Japan celebrated Pearl Harbor. Hold tight boys and girls, you are about to get the ass fucking of your life!!
3/11/2013 05:29:00 PM
I thought the Germans attacked Pearl Harbor on their way back from Poland. I learned that while listening to the Beatles White Album in high school.
OT --
* NEW STRATEGY * NEW STRATEGY * NEW STRATEGY *
CLINICALY INSANE POLICE SUPERINTENDENT GIVES FORTH WITH UMPTEENTH ITERATION OF 'BROKEN WINDOWS' -- CONTRADICTS LAST 'NEW STRATEGY' OF IGNORING 50% OF CALLS TO POLICE
"Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy said today he wanted to bring a "broken windows" strategy to Chicago that would allow cops to arrest those who ignore tickets for routine offenses like gambling..."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-mccarthy-touts-broken-windows-crimefighting-strategy-20130311,0,3802442.story
*NEW STRATEGY * NEW STRATEGY * NEW STRATEGY *
I guess Jim Ade won't get that great job Rahm promised him when he retires. Thanks Sgts for voting no
Can I please have an event number?
Mike Shields re election is not until October. I recently heard he got the negotiation paper work late on purpose so we do not have a new contract at all during his first term. This way he has a better chance of being re elected for a second term. He knows he is up for a tough re election and he has little confidence in being re elected if we get a horrible contract.
Time for the Sergeants to come back to the FOP for strength in numbers.
lol rahmboob!!
Sergeants rock , we are the Backbone of Chicago's Finest .
Sergeants have always run the watches and have finally been recognized by GMAC . Now we must demand to be compensated for our new responsablity.
-LoL demand? Backbone please
most sgts do little as possible
We sergeants aren't as dumb as we look :-) and please stop bashing Jimmy Ade for trying to do what he felt was right. His instructions from us members was to retain what we had and he accomplished that. The offer never would have been made by the city without the pension attached.
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Jimmy "Kool-Ade" is an Idiot and should Step Down as I'm sure a "No Confidence Vote" is surly coming his way!
If Rahm is able to move voters to get rid of the earned pensions ad send money into private funding schemes everyone but the big money making bankers who work for Rahm (didn't he made $15 million as one of these "bankers") will lose. They are coming for the pensions. They will stop at nothing. Better be prepared for Rahms press machine and the next set of tricks.
I voted against the contract. But mark my words the deal that we and the fop end up with will be far worse than what we just rejected. You will not have the same pension a year from now that we have today. The sooner people realize that the better.
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Ok Fuck stick, If your so certain why did you Vote No?
The lemon ADE threw a sergeant under the bus several years ago and now he is trying to throw the rest of the sergeants under the bus.
You gotta stand for something or you're gonna fall for anything.
Thank you, good sergeants. Well done.
7:21 PM.... When was the last time you saw a Constitution write a check?
They are not going to fund it, get fucking real.
This is Illinois and our pension is going to come in way behind Outfit contracting, Free shit for folks, and simple theft.
News Flash....75% of zero will be zero.
To 05:48PM.......JimAade is part of that tainted team (jailed former prez)that kutchner sheilded from infamy. But the team concept is obvious.
Hey 7:01!
Yes you're going to get fucked hard in arbitration over wages and benefits....
This fuckin' country is in the process of destroying it's middle class.
....and yes, you're going to get a pension fucking in Springfield, dimwit.
I am so pissed off at the Sgt.'s that proposed this. Rahm, do you really want to MESS with the street guys that run this dept. Do the politicians really want to MESS with the guys that protect their bubbled world, everyday, everywhere. Why do you think we are usually separate from other negations around the country? You mess with me, I have protected politicians from harm numerous times from nutts over the years, Never again if you mess with us. A turned back, an open door, and ignored sign, makes things sticky. YOU DONT WANT US AS ENEMYS IN THE WORLD WE LIVE IN.
Why do people talk about going to court and then mention the state constitution? Have these people ever been to court? How about Drew Peterson? Just come up with a new law to stick it to him. If you think the courts and/or some piece of paper are going to save the day-- you need a little more experience.
For the love of God!
Turned on Ch. 5 news @ 10:00 p.m., McThumbolina introducing ANOTHER new strategy, called "Broken Windows."
Seriously?
Again?
Isn't that what he came here with??
God, I am seriously going to have to go on some anti-depressants or some valium-like drug.
God help the CPD. You guys better stop all the in-fighting and bashing your brothers/sisters in blue.
All day long, and at the end of the day, all we've got is each other. Stop the petty bullshit and support each other.
I hate to say it, but I think the days of waiting out a bad supe are over. We thought jfled was bad, then we got McStupid--what are we in for next?
Take care of each other out there.
Ade is a great guy who thought he was doing the right thing. While I am glad it's been turned down big time, I hate to see Ade get skewered. Super guy . Nothing like that goof Sheilds.
Lawrence Msall...“It raises real questions about how the city can meet those growing obligations without some dramatic changes in pension, retiree health care and other employment benefits. The city faces a very difficult financial future to maintain the level of benefits that exist right now. It would require an enormous tax increase"
Seriously, 'require an enormous tax increase', typical democratic response...the sky is falling! Maybe try to reallocate existing taxes first, like ceasefire money to pension, $55million for new park to pension, millions from bike lanes to pension, and on and on...
Anonymous said...
A hearty big "FUCK YOU" to Jim Aide, Mark McDermott and Debra DeYoung.
Guys these are the board members of the Sergeant's Association who were aware of the secret marriage between the now deceased Mary O'Toole who was in charge of the books and John Pallahusky.
IT'S ON JIM!!!!!!
3/11/2013 07:21:00 PM
OMG, I thought DeYoung was a big proponent of WeAreOne--not sure if that's the exact name. She sure seems to be politically involved now, and in the right way--am I missing something, or did she have a change of heart? I'm confused.
How do you figure this Einstein? It's an Illinois Constitutionl guaranteed benefit which cannot be diminished UNLESS AGREED UPON by the bargaining units. Rahm is employing scare tactics and retiree healthcare cuts to get what he wants with the pension.
You are so naive. Keep believing your constitutional rights will protect you. Come back on here in a year or so when all of our pensions are worth about half what they are now.
Anonymous said...
We sergeants aren't as dumb as we look :-) and please stop bashing Jimmy Ade for trying to do what he felt was right. His instructions from us members was to retain what we had and he accomplished that. The offer never would have been made by the city without the pension attached.
3/11/2013 01:41:00 PM
If the deal was so great and above board, then why didn't anyone know about it or have any input before it was presented for a vote?
GFY and Ade, too.
You got to love the idiots stating WE should of took the deal because the pension will be gone if we don't. When will you people learn that if you give the city a once of blood they will eventually take 3 pints. Grow a pair of balls and fight. That would mean by ANY means if necessary.
They (Rahm& Co.) want you to be scared of losing everything. There are other options.
Anonymous said...
ot.
Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy said today he wanted to bring a "broken windows" strategy to Chicago that would allow cops to arrest those who ignore tickets for routine offenses like gambling and public urination.
All he is trying to do is get more cb #'s which are way down.
3/11/2013 08:25:00 PM
Uhuh. Yeah, in 011 we have time to spare between our backgammon and chess tournaments to get this accomplished....arresting people for ignoring tickets. Is that even a legit law on the books? I've heard of collection agencies, but to lock somebody up and clog up the court system for not paying a ticket? That should make the lockup real happy.
Doesn't this mope realize that 99% of the people locked up for DOPW, gambling, etc., and are given tickets, etc., don't have 2 nickels to rub together? He wants us to lock up the homeless, penniless now? So penniless the most they could afford is a slingshot?
People too illiterate to commit any offense above a dice game or scrapping or being a homeless alcoholic?
Does he really think this strategy will lead to catching masked armed robbers, home invaders, murderers and so on?
Seriously? This guy is too stupid for words. I keep a huge bottle of Excedrin with me at all times.
It's like someone broke into your home stole your check book and emptied your bank account. We know who the crook is but he refuses to admit or deny anything. However he has agreed to getting you a better deadbolt lock on your front door for you so we let him off. Oh, what about your money? Well we can offer you a direct deposit plan so that you can replace it yourself. YO-YO You are On Your Own sucker.
3/11/2013 04:17:00 PM
Great analogy!
Anonymous said...
This is what Emanuel wanted all along. His intention? He thinks he's going to put this in front of an aribtration panel (yes a panel, not just one arbitrator anymore) where he thinks he's actually going to threaten the "chairman" of said panel to include allowing a few fucking lawyers to pass their personal judgement on PENSION and Medical benefits.
That's right, Mr. Shitstick thinks he's going to have arbitrators destroy your pensions and healthcare because he thinks this is within their right to determine.
This is NOT within their right. Wages, Hours and Conditions of employment.
NOTHING in state law allows for the determination of retirement benefits OR healthcare contributions. They are not "wages" nor are they "working conditioins" as defined by labor law.
So don't start listening to the panic peddlers telling you you're gonna get fucked in arbitration, because they don't have the statutory authority to even consider anything other than the aforementioned topics.
Nice going though sergeants... I'm proud of 876 of you.
To the other 134..... go FUCK yourselves you sellout ratbastard fuckers.
3/11/2013 07:01:00 PM
Bravo! Rahm is running out of scare tactics.
Rham spanked by CTU and now CPD
he's out of his league in Chi town
go back to dc
hats off to the sergeants for the voter turnout alone
I almost hate to tell you guys this, but there are sgt's who actually like McStrategy....they say that when he belittles people at compstat he's just trying to make them better. They fully believe that McBox is going in the right direction. They even refer to him formally, as in Superintendent McCarthy, while talking with others.
It's like they were kidnapped and given IV's of the Kool-aid. No joke.
I can only surmise that the personalities of these sgt's are made up of traits that would have made them willingly drink the kool-aid at Jonestown....and served it to their children as well.
Beware.
Anonymous said...
Can TV had an intersting program on TIF's. Basiclly the City in hiding millions of dollars through this program. You can email bjoravsky @ chicagoreader.com It will make you vomit. FOP such HOOK UP WITH HIM
3/11/2013 07:48:00 PM
Maybe somebody out there can answer this for me. The main stream media will attribute stories to SCC, but they completely ignore stories written by the only realy investigative journalists in this town, the ones who write for the Reader, even though the Sun-Times now owns the Reader.
If you have any tips and clues about how f*cked up this dept. is, don't send anything to the Sun-Times or Trib. Send it to the Reader.
3/11/2013 07:29:00 PM
Anonymous said...
The unfunded pension liabilities for the city total over $26 billion. Just saying..
3/11/2013 07:32:00 PM
And, rather than use a brand new source of revenue (casino) to comply with the law and FUND the unfunded liability, today Rahm Emanuel announced he would use 100% of the casino revenue for brand new schools.
To all the working police, active and retired.
Think about those times when you or your partner were almost killed or injured on the job.
Think about all the ones that you worked with who did give up their lives and those that were injured.
Remember the stress this job brings and all of its negative consequences.
Do not forget all the sacrifices in so many ways that the majority gave as part of the job.
And remember the courage needed to face those challenges.
Because we will need all that courage and determination as the powers to be are in an all out effort to fuck us royally.
Count on it.
Are all those blue shirts that were calling us pu**ies and sell outs gonna apologize to us now?
How about all those idiots that jumped to conclusions and said that the sgt's sold everyone out, etc...
Just like joe on the street. Uninformed and ready to call every sgt and a-hole BEFORE we even had a chance to vote on the dam thing.
I think Ade, and all of the PBPA Contract Negotiating Commitee owe all Past and Present Officers a letter of apology for that horse shit contract.
Ade and Kirshner were both defending Pallohusky and said verbatim - it was a simple mistake and no money is missing.
How Kirshner and Ade both became presidents after Pallohusky still baffles me. FK all of three stooges.
Thank God!
Anonymous said...
If wanting what was promised to me over 29 years ago is being greedy... So be it. How is King Daley enjoying his pension?
3/11/2013 09:19:00 PM
Uh, you mean PENSIONS, plural. Let's not forget his sneaky deal of rejoining his old pension plan for one month, adding something like fifty grand a year to his annual take, without contributing anything extra to the fund.
Anonymous said...
How do you figure this Einstein? It's an Illinois Constitutionl guaranteed benefit which cannot be diminished UNLESS AGREED UPON by the bargaining units. Rahm is employing scare tactics and retiree healthcare cuts to get what he wants with the pension.
You are so naive. Keep believing your constitutional rights will protect you. Come back on here in a year or so when all of our pensions are worth about half what they are now.
3/11/2013 10:31:00 PM
I'd rather take my chances on someone trying to unconstitutionally, illegally, wrongly, forcibly taking it away then just naively HANDING it to the thieving bastards.
This is only the beginning of the battle with the city. It is going to get ugly. Emanuel will now be out for blood .
Look, they force us to retire at 63. They throw us out of a job, and then threaten to let the pension go bust? No court in the land would let that happen. That's why towns in California have had to close libraries and curtail other services to meet pension obligations. Changes have to be made, but Rahm is trying to scare us, and he found a willing participant in Ade. From prior contact, I believe Ade to be a good man, but he must now resign, as , going forward, his motives will always be called into question. His lack of disclosure regarding this mess was inexcusable. We must remain calm, and get new leadership ASAP. We also need to hire a good lawyer versed in pension law.
IM GONNA GIVE MY SGT A BIG FRENCH KISS WHEN I COME BACK FROM MY RDOS!rahm ,its your neck from this RATT cage!
Shame on the 100+ who voted in favor of it.
Ade is a great guy who thought he was doing the right thing. While I am glad it's been turned down big time, I hate to see Ade get skewered. Super guy . Nothing like that goof Sheilds.
3/11/2013 10:13:00 PM
You are the goof. That "super guy" LemonAde just tried to fuck us. It is bullshit that he thought he was doing the right thing. I'll take Shields anyday. At least he isn't rolling over for Rahm like Jumbo LemonAde did.
The Sgt that works @ City Hall voted yes although that isn't surprising......another Sgt that is married to a Commander voted yes too! She even offered to explain the "great" deal we were being offered........makes you wonder if the rumor about her husband being the next Supt is true.
I almost hate to tell you guys this, but there are sgt's who actually like McStrategy....they say that when he belittles people at compstat he's just trying to make them better. They fully believe that McBox is going in the right direction. They even refer to him formally, as in Superintendent McCarthy, while talking with others.
It's like they were kidnapped and given IV's of the Kool-aid. No joke.
I can only surmise that the personalities of these sgt's are made up of traits that would have made them willingly drink the kool-aid at Jonestown....and served it to their children as well.
Beware.
3/11/2013 10:58:00 PM
Stockholm syndrome.
Anonymous said...
Rahm has been pretty quiet as of late. Me thinks the treacherous fuck-weasle has stayed up late at night to hatch an even more diabolical scheme to screw the hard working Police! When the Alderfools cut their pay and benefits ,then we will talk about the same for ours!
3/11/2013 07:55:00 PM
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When the Mayor & Aldermen & Teachers cut their COLA's, and their double-dipped pensions are double taxed and their pay is reduced and the goosing up of their last years salary to goose pensions is stopped & Union big wigs aren't over pensioned at the expense of State pension obligations, and money that decades ago that went to finance city expenses isn't syphoned off in to unaccountable political slush funds with no auditing like TIF's, yes, then address the police & fire pensions.
Leadership by example.
Ain't going to happen though. The system is going to crash before it does.
You can ignore reality but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.
-Somebody
" Anonymous said...
Mike Shields re election is not until October. I recently heard he got the negotiation paper work late on purpose so we do not have a new contract at all during his first term. This way he has a better chance of being re elected for a second term. He knows he is up for a tough re election and he has little confidence in being re elected if we get a horrible contract."
You are either an old City Wide team member or a complete retard. You are a fucking loser with an agenda all your own! Go fuck yourself you City whore!
Rahms buddy Bloomberg made a decision about 4 years ago. He paid the NYPD. No arbitration. He paid them. He found them important and the contract was approved.
Here's the link:
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/new-york-finest-richer-new-police-contract-article-1.317046
In August 2008, NYPD and NYC settled on what appears to be a 4 yr contract, with 4% raises each year.
Anonymous said...
Ade is a great guy who thought he was doing the right thing. While I am glad it's been turned down big time, I hate to see Ade get skewered. Super guy . Nothing like that goof Sheilds.
3/11/2013 10:13:00 PM
Please stay off the blog Mrs. Ade.
Here's an article regarding pensions from a year ago that I saved. Read it, educate yourselves:
5 Myths About Public Employee Pensions
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/harold-schaitberger/public-employee-pensions_b_1665029.html
OK, so to all of you that got so incensed about the contract, and who probably never attend the union meetings because you're too busy, forgot, etc, put your money where your mouth is. When the time comes, which one of you is actually going to step up and run for the thankless job of president, VP or treasurer?
How do you figure this Einstein? It's an Illinois Constitutionl guaranteed benefit which cannot be diminished UNLESS AGREED UPON by the bargaining units. Rahm is employing scare tactics and retiree healthcare cuts to get what he wants with the pension.
You are so naive. Keep believing your constitutional rights will protect you. Come back on here in a year or so when all of our pensions are worth about half what they are now.
We may, one day, get fucked on the pension issue but we don't have to give them the dildo and act like Neville Chamberlain.
rahmmie was punked by teachers union , teachers only pay 2% into pension fund , city pays the other 7% and teachers did not raise age or reduce benefits for retired teachers . Rahm can probably force streets and san into raising contributions with the threat of privatizing . Unions still have 3 men changing light bulbs in chicago , drivers sitting in truck all day while laborers trim trees . He's powerless in Chicago.
I am a 27 year Detective. I have two thing to say to all of the SGT's...
Thank You all for speaking your mind.
Thank you for watching my back as well... That's the way this supposed to go guys.
Why would even one SGT vote yes? Vote yes to getting hosed? A promise is a promise. Period. If I or any other copper knew that RE or RJD was all about doing the right things and paying the bills and balancing the budget properly and not pissing away (or stealing) money I bet at least 80% of the CPD would be in line with changes. But when you are constantly scamming, stealing, etc. then cry broke? Of God just go F yourself already. Flower pots? Bike lanes? The big silver bean? Maggie Daley Park? Boo Hoo, we have no money. Fuck you and pay what we were promised.
Fuck Rahm, Daley, and all of the democrats that stole from what once was a great city. These idiots sold all of the things that were producing revenue. Now the idiot wants to sell Midway Airport again. These guys are really fucking stupid. That is what happens when you have some fucks that kiss ass all of their lives running a city. This city and state went down the drain because of the DEMOCRATS!
the sgts voted down this deal because it stunk--- you don't go buy a car with four flat tires--- this deal was doomed the moment it was inked--- it is hard to believe that over 100 voted in favor of it--- looks like another lenghty impasse and a retro check in another couple of years as usual...
Anonymous said...
"Can anyone chime in who voted yes and give us a reason why??? Stupidity?? Were you voting for American Idol?? Dancing with the stars??"
3/11/2013 04:28:00 PM
Are you aware that Obama was re-elected to a second term?
Therein lies the answer.
Rahm is defending Jimmy Ade. He said “Jimmy is one of the toughest negotiators I have ever faced and Paullt Bilotta is the most handsome man I have yet met from the southside.“
I'd rather take my chances on someone trying to unconstitutionally, illegally, wrongly, forcibly taking it away then just naively HANDING it to the thieving bastards.
3/12/2013 12:32:00 AM
Well stated!
And, rather than use a brand new source of revenue (casino) to comply with the law and FUND the unfunded liability, today Rahm Emanuel announced he would use 100% of the casino revenue for brand new schools
Not quite true, the law on unfunded pension liability says the funds shall come from the levy of property (property taxes)
That's right, Mr. Shitstick thinks he's going to have arbitrators destroy your pensions and healthcare because he thinks this is within their right to determine.
This is NOT within their right. Wages, Hours and Conditions of employment.
NOTHING in state law allows for the determination of retirement benefits OR healthcare contributions. They are not "wages" nor are they "working conditioins" as defined by labor law.
So don't start listening to the panic peddlers telling you you're gonna get fucked in arbitration, because they don't have the statutory authority to even consider anything other than the aforementioned topics
You are 100% right The only way we can lose benefits is to negotiate them away which is what Rahm is trying to do. The arbitrator only gets involved if its a contractual issue. Dont negotiate the pension, cola away, take it to the courts
Here's a thought about how the city could live up to their obligation to catch up with funding the pension that they have neglected. New Casino in which 25% of city revenues would go to shore up their end of the pension obligation until they catch up then they can do what they want with the funds. All parkers, movers, Anovs would have a percentage designated towards our pension until the city got caught up with their end of their obligation and all funds from said tickets and violations would go towards same until the city catches up with their obligation to our pension. I know I would be writing as many tickets as possible knowing that this would go to our pensions, or else the only other alternative would be big tax increases or big cuts in benefits. This can be done but the city has to be willing to do it. As far as an agreement with the city, if they won't honor the state constitution then how the hell would they honor a contract agreement? The provisions written into the constitution were wetting to protect us, from the very people in office right now. Never give up our constitutional rights for a bullshit contract. The state liedto the SEIU and what happened? Not a fucking thing, what's makes anyone think that they would not lie to us?
Arbitration is the only way to deal with the evil raccoon.
" No court in the land"--- This is Illinois --
Word has it that McCarthy has to sign off on all police contracts before it goes to the city council. Rumors state that McCarthy was not happy that there was not some stronger disipline against Sgts.
He threatened to not sign the agreement if it passed. He was told to STFU...
When you consider that Jim Ade worked on the 5th floor at headquarters before going to PBPA; you will understand why he is a sell-out.
Ponder this:
Anonymous said...
Ade and Kirshner were both defending Pallohusky and said verbatim - it was a simple mistake and no money is missing.
How Kirshner and Ade both became presidents after Pallohusky still baffles me. FK all of three stooges.
3/12/2013 12:18:00 AM
response: ask them about the PBPA money they invested for their personal gain. Why has Kirchner retired a millionaire?
I voted for Ade. Can I repeal my vote?
IMPEACH ade!
Just a note here, the Lt's & Capt's union board had voted to approve a the very same package that was given to the Sgt's Assoc. They heard the backlash that was being sent over e-mails being sent out with the Majority against it and a few for it. So they held it up and not presnet to their membgership. This I got from one Lt on that board. So FYI beware of the other unions.
Ade, and his entire board should not only be skewered, but tarres and feathered. Maybe the rank and file sgts will now understand why the FOP fired that goof Pleines. This was his deal and the Sgts board fell for it.
'...thought DeYoung was a big proponent of WeAreOne... She sure seems to be politically involved now...'
why dont you ask her about We Are One or pension stuff---then you will realize the how univolved and uninformed she appears to be
Ade is a great guy who thought he was doing the right thing. While I am glad it's been turned down big time, I hate to see Ade get skewered. Super guy . Nothing like that goof Sheilds.
Great guy !!!! He just gave an opportunity for Rahm to circumvent our pension that the State Constitution protects us from. Wow ! what a great guy. Did Ade actually do any kind of research into what he was agreeing to. Did he bring it to the 1100 Sergeants who overwhelmingly voted it down (Thank God). I think the GOOF is the idiot who attempted to give away 40 years of what we have earned in one month and yourself.
Are all those blue shirts that were calling us pu**ies and sell outs gonna apologize to us now?
I never heard anyone blame the Sergeants as a whole. The only blame I heard was that toward Ade for making the agreement with 9.5
I applaud the Sergeants for making the correct call and voting it down.
If they won't resign, decertify the PBPA
So it's official the Sgt.s are not the suckers the Captains are
OMG, I thought DeYoung was a big proponent of WeAreOne--not sure if that's the exact name. She sure seems to be politically involved now, and in the right way--am I missing something, or did she have a change of heart? I'm confused.
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I believe the membership has the right to reveal how the board voted on this contract!!!
Anonymous said...
" Anonymous said...
Mike Shields re election is not until October. I recently heard he got the negotiation paper work late on purpose so we do not have a new contract at all during his first term. This way he has a better chance of being re elected for a second term. He knows he is up for a tough re election and he has little confidence in being re elected if we get a horrible contract."
You are either an old City Wide team member or a complete retard. You are a fucking loser with an agenda all your own! Go fuck yourself you City whore!
3/12/2013 06:47:00 AM
I agree that Shields is intentionally prolonging the contract negotiations until after teh election. Time for new leadership.
I will vote for anyone, except Shields and crew.
Shields is buddy, buddy with Rahm too.
Ade, and his entire board should not only be skewered, but tarres and feathered. Maybe the rank and file sgts will now understand why the FOP fired that goof Pleines. This was his deal and the Sgts board fell for it.
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You're right. Pleines was at the vote count at the union hall, then he was observed on the stage with Rahm later in the day for his press conference.
From the FOP Current Update. March 12, 2013
Yesterday, the Sergeant's Union sent City Hall a message when it rejected Rahm Emanuel's contract proposal. The FOP fought for the "No" vote and publicly opposed this terrible deal. Today, the City wants to take its revenge. So, City Hall dredges up the long dead issue about the "letter" it claims is required to terminate the Agreement. FOP has been negotiating with the City since last Summer.
Now, with its feelings hurt by the Sergeants' rejection, you see the issue of the "letter" rise from the ashes. We called the City's lawyer immediately and asked how this story could be in the news given that we have been negotiating since last year. The lawyer blamed City Hall, saying that they were bent on revenge against FOP because President Shields did everything but "dance in the end zone" when the Sergeants' contract failed.
Brothers and Sisters, the FOP will stand and fight against the City when it breaks pension promises. It will stand and fight against any deal that only calls for sacrifice from one side - the workers.
The FOP will not compromise. We have the Public Employees Labor Relation Act and the facts on our side. Chicago Police Officers made our City proud and made the Mayor look great during the NATO Summit. We have a dangerous job in a violent City. During Rahm Emanuel's term, we have been asked to do much more with far less manpower. Now our Mayor would deny raises to those same people that work so hard for the success of this City? It is a terrible betrayal.
Last March, the City told the FOP that it would negotiate with this bargaining unit out of its "deep respect" for the men and women of the Chicago Police Department. If the Mayor really respects us, he would sit down and negotiate with us. Because of the City's failure to bargain in good faith, the FOP will file an unfair labor practice charge immediately.
Ade is a great guy? How is that wellness program working out for you guys?
3/11/2013 03:37:00 PM
I think you're right on the money!
What is 100% of 0? The law, state constitution, the courts and the politicians- do you really think when push comes to shove these people will stick with you no matter how right you are? Judges? Give me a break.
Shields and the FOP sent out a letter urging the Sgts to reject this farce. The FOP and the Sgts publicly bitch slapped Rahm. Watch for him to retaliate.
the sgts voted down this deal because it stunk--- you don't go buy a car with four flat tires--- this deal was doomed the moment it was inked--- it is hard to believe that over 100 voted in favor of it--- looks like another lenghty impasse and a retro check in another couple of years as usual...
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And I'll get a couple more COLA's, as promised.
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