Thursday, April 11, 2013

Finally, Consequences?

Someone finally noticed that if there is no enforcement, then there is no reason to fear a non-existent consequence:
  • Chicago offenders caught drinking, gambling and urinating on the public way will no longer be free to ignore their citations with impunity and blow off their administrative hearings — at least not without risking jail time.

    Ignoring concern about the impact on overcrowded Cook County Jail, the City Council agreed Wednesday to throw the book at those offenders, up to 70 percent of whom are currently in default because they don’t fear the consequences.

    Aldermen approved Mayor Rahm Emanuel’s plan to add six months of jail time and double the maximum fine — to $1,000 for drinking and urinating on the public way and $400 for gambling — for violators who fail to pay their initial fines and are no-shows at administrative hearings.

Of course, nothing says that Sheriff Dart has to accept the prisoners that show up at "the bridge" at Cook County Jail. We said last week that Dart and Preckwinkle are going to demand some sort of monetary compensation before they even think of reopening the Division that Dart closed a year or two ago.

And of course, the aldercreatures are already setting up CPD to take a fall on this one:
  • At last week’s committee hearing, Ald. Ameya Pawar (47th) sought assurances that Chicago Police would be “careful” with the new tool and use it to target the “right people” instead of “going after vulnerable populations or the homeless.”
"the right people."  So we guess the homeless are free to continue to piss on lawns and be drunk in public. They're untouchable. And we're pretty sure Preckwinkle will be objecting to the racial makeup of those already in default to the city.

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61 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't give Indians the fire water... they might like it

4/11/2013 12:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tac teams are just going to get even pimpier.

4/11/2013 12:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe they will issue warrants but they will never make it to county... They will get brought infant of the judge after the warrant is executed and they will plea to time served or it will be sol. If they are found guilty they won't be going to jail or sentenced to time... More than likely supervision, swap or time served with a small fine. Much todo about nothing

4/11/2013 12:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My Cook County Board Commissioner posted this regarding this story:

"So if the city arrests you + you can't pay the $1000 fine, you can be jailed for 6 months…costing the county $25,000"

4/11/2013 12:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well the homeless going to jail is seventh heaven for them. Three hots and cot and shower. The people fingers wants to get is the working person they will spend $ to show up for work monday morning.

4/11/2013 12:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They want social justice, not equal justice.

4/11/2013 01:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So if they don't pay.... Didn't we already try this in traffic court? How about the lab fee for the state on narcotics cases? No cook county judge in their right mind dare to put a strain on the "people".

4/11/2013 01:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another stupid idea by idiots that will cost us millions.

A person can not be jailed for violating a city ordinance because it is not an offense. An offense is the violation of a state law. City ordinances are not criminal laws and they do not heard by real judges.

The first court of jurisdiction is the Circuit Court. The city administrative courts are not criminal courts and use the Illinois Code of Civil Procedure because it is like the city is suing you when they charge you with an ordinance violation. Even when ordinance violations are heard in the Circuit Court the civil procedures are used there too.

Jail time is considered “jeopardy” and a person facing jeopardy is entitled to certain rights, such as a finding of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. In the city administrative courts they only need to prove guilt by the civil standard which is “a preponderance of the evidence”.

Now I’m an old flat foot and even I know this. What kind of an idiot is advising them to do this nonsense or is this just a show and they never intend for the City Administrative Court Judges to ever sentence anyone to jail?

The Circuit Courts and the Code of Criminal Procedure are there for a purpose and there is no way to get around it. The City probably likes their administrative courts better then the Circuit Court because they have a higher conviction rate – and that is because of the lesser standard of guilt.

There will be a lot more ghetto millionaires after this fiasco.

4/11/2013 01:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pawar is an idiot.

4/11/2013 01:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

if they dont pay, deduct it from their SSI and public aid. they are living way out of there means and living life like on a lifetime vacation anyways. maybe that will stop them from breaking the law

4/11/2013 01:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

too many black and brown people in county jail. insinuating that cpd racially targets minorities for arrest. and preckwinkle is allowed to get away with saying that! might as well say there aint enough white people in county. fuck this shit. have your city.

4/11/2013 01:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"the right people" to go after are those that occupy City Hall

Their Democrat policies, including those of Ald. Ameya Pawar, have created the current state of lawlessness

4/11/2013 03:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did that ball less fuck Paywar get permission from Rahm before he spoke? Pawar doesn't fart without the approval of Rahm Emanuel.

That is a reformer.

Pawar ran on a platform of independance and reform, going door to door and telling people how bad the administration was and how bad Schulter was and how different he, Pawar, was going to be.

He learned all the standard trained seal claps faster than anyone before him. He hops and nods his head and gets tossed a little fish just like in the circus.

4/11/2013 05:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The right people" = white folk

4/11/2013 05:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The right type of people means white. They don't even care about saying it any more.

4/11/2013 06:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to $1,000 for drinking and urinating on the public way and $400 for gambling — for violators who fail to pay their initial fines and are no-shows at administrative hearings.
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Um, aren't most of those gambling also drinking and pissing? Will they be fined $1800 and get 18 months in jail for non-payment?

4/11/2013 06:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

At last week’s committee hearing, Ald. Ameya Pawar (47th) sought assurances that Chicago Police would be “careful” with the new tool and use it to target the “right people” instead of “going after vulnerable populations or the homeless.”


So you should only write ANOV's to people who actually work for a living?

Or only to corporate executives you come across in 011 or 06?

4/11/2013 06:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Read the small print of the ordinance....Englewood and Lawndale are exempt from enforcement

4/11/2013 06:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with Pawar...officers, make sure the wang is clearly visible before approaching the subject!

4/11/2013 06:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If they don't pay, how about taking it direct from their "Link" cards? Or their babies mommas card?

4/11/2013 06:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What the great alderman is saying is, enforce this ordinance around the Universities and ballparks.That way the city has someone to force to pay.The shitbags will continue their obnoxious behavior with no consequences.

4/11/2013 07:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In over 30 years on CPD,in multiple Districts,I never heard of anyone doing jail time for a city ordinance.I doubt that any judge will jail someone for a Quasi-criminal city ordinance. Like one poster said,Dart won't let them in the jail doors. I have to agree with him on this one.

4/11/2013 07:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pawer is rahms guy. He needs to make sure the Wrigley crowds and his ward types are not arrested for all the drunken behavior. He does nothing without rahm giving him the ok.He has done nothing since he took over from Schulter.

4/11/2013 07:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I work at 26th Cal. A few sergeants are refusing to accept them and doesn't care if CPD gets mad and insists. The reason, the original "crime" is not a state statute and punishable by jail time. Sergeants say they aren't about to be sued over violating someone's rights.

4/11/2013 07:30:00 AM  
Blogger Barney Fife said...

"the right people." So we guess the homeless are free to continue to piss on lawns and be drunk in public. They're untouchable. And we're pretty sure Preckwinkle will be objecting to the racial makeup of those already in default to the city.


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Preckwinkle has gone on record saying Ronald Reagan has a 'special place in hell' or words to that effect - for his war on drugs.

Someone should tell the Mensan Preckwinkle that not one of the savages locked up in Cook County jail is there due to anything Reagan ever did. Not one. As you all know, the Illinois drugs laws were passed by the Illinois legislature, not Reagan. Goof Preckwinkle.

4/11/2013 07:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

this will never happen. You can't get water out of a dry sponge. does the court make these clowns pay for narc. lab fees, fines and other fees? Hell no! Just get a lawyer that knows the judge in Br 29 and you will get out of everything.

4/11/2013 07:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

most of the people doing this can barely rub 2 wooden nickles together let alone come up with 400 or 1000 dollars--- maybe deducting it from their LINK or SSI payments will get their attention...

4/11/2013 08:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We have all these websites showing the names and salaries of government workers and contractors. How about a website listing all the others receiving government checks such as welfare, Medicaid, food stamps, SSI.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Let's see how the numbers compare.

4/11/2013 08:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can't play the race card till after the deal...didn't these people ever play poker?

4/11/2013 09:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

lets open up our own mcc detention center!stay up to six months with daily work details to better the city.work off time by doing it!

4/11/2013 09:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wait a minute...only arrest people with money?? Seems like profiling to me. What a joke this city has become

4/11/2013 09:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just lock them up in the first place. Skip the ANOV. Think of all the savings in printing costs for ANOVs and admin costs to keep everything running. Jesus, we are idiots.

4/11/2013 09:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

2 x 0= 0

double it, triple it, whatever, you aint collecting shit

4/11/2013 10:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Didn't they do a homeless count a couple years ago, and found there were actually no homeless in Chicago?

4/11/2013 10:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There will be a lot more ghetto millionaires after this fiasco.

4/11/2013 01:50:00 AM

You're obviously too smart to work for the city.

Thanks for the info. Don't they have lawyers to advise them on this kind of shit?

4/11/2013 10:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
"The right people" = white folk

4/11/2013 05:14:00 AM

Bingo.

4/11/2013 11:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's not my fault nor yours that the majority of law breakers and the majority getting locked up are black. They love trying to make something it's not. It's not racial, it's fact. Listen to the radio; how many offenders are described as black. With our out of control insane violent crime; how many offenders are described as black. If the shoe fits, wear it. Sorry

4/11/2013 11:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All smoke and mirrors. No room in county jail, this will never happen
If they cant collect the fines now,what makes them think they can enforce this.
Just the politicians putting on a show for the public who believe this bs

4/11/2013 11:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Redneck Samurai said...

I am not from here, I am a Southern boy but we do not allow malcontents to stand in front of every business, shake a cup, chase people and get sunburnt on the sidewalk. I would love to go back but right now I am stuck here.
I am often faced with the choice of how to escape from the latest aggressive panhandler when I go to an El stop, the officers in the neighborhood are sympathetic but people always cry discrimination no matter what color the offender is.
Who do I have to vote for so that Chicagoans can enjoy a more hobo-shenanigans free existence?

4/11/2013 12:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I thought we took an oath to enforce the laws impartially? Who are "the right People"? Please explain it all to me.

4/11/2013 12:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bring back the gulag!

4/11/2013 12:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Isn't a State Law that being intoxicated on a public way is a "Illness" and the poor person has to be offered a ride home, taken to a hospital or rehab center? The ERs didn't want this type of person at their hospitals but did get stuck with them.

4/11/2013 12:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pawar is an idiot. It will be used on his constituents, young white people. Nothing will be done in the ghetto. They laugh at ANOV's.

4/11/2013 12:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Tac teams are just going to get even pimpier.


As is gang "investigations". In area central thats all they do is bothers us dic's for wanted offenders. Never come to the table with any gang information to help with open cases. Just looking for a freebie...sometimes i have to give em one just to get them off my desk

4/11/2013 01:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

.....Three hots and cot and shower.....

Dart says; No Hots, No Cot, No Shower!

You will get an I-Bond and a STERN WARNING to pay a FINE!

LOL

4/11/2013 01:47:00 PM  
Blogger Mr. SouthSide said...

North side alderman. Figures.

4/11/2013 02:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what a waste. won't go after gang bangers but happy to go after bums.

4/11/2013 02:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
if they dont pay, deduct it from their SSI and public aid. they are living way out of there means and living life like on a lifetime vacation anyways. maybe that will stop them from breaking the law

4/11/2013 01:57:00 AM

Even if this was a conservative place you can't use federally awarded dollars to pay for municipal offenses. Like duh-uh.

4/11/2013 03:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Their is no closed divisions at the jail. Its full.

4/11/2013 06:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

47th Ward Alderwhore commented that way?

Not a surprise.

Only Alderperson worth their title North of North Ave is 32nd and 38th Wards.

The rest are a waste of oxygen.

4/11/2013 06:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Read the small print of the ordinance....Englewood and Lawndale are exempt from enforcement

4/11/2013 06:28:00 AM

GTFO!!!!!

4/11/2013 08:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Redneck Samurai said...
I am not from here, I am a Southern boy but we do not allow malcontents to stand in front of every business, shake a cup, chase people and get sunburnt on the sidewalk. I would love to go back but right now I am stuck here.
I am often faced with the choice of how to escape from the latest aggressive panhandler when I go to an El stop, the officers in the neighborhood are sympathetic but people always cry discrimination no matter what color the offender is.
Who do I have to vote for so that Chicagoans can enjoy a more hobo-shenanigans free existence?

4/11/2013 12:12:00 PM

This place is sunk. Some coppers are getting sued for locking up an aggressive panhandler--par for the course for this city, county, state, country.

Get out of here ASAP.

4/11/2013 08:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
lets open up our own mcc detention center!stay up to six months with daily work details to better the city.work off time by doing it!

4/11/2013 09:07:00 AM

Have you SEEN the drunks and bums in 011 or 006? Broken down 'herron' addicts, half-paralyzed, brain dead shitbirds--good luck getting them to even pick up a broom by the right end.

4/11/2013 08:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There's a simple solution to this. Don't stop anybody to name check them, don't write any ANOVS. It'll drive Thing 1 and Thing 2 crazy, an added bonus.

Apologies to the real Thing 1 and Thing 2.

4/11/2013 08:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Go get the "right people" Who in the f*** is that?

I believe the right people are the ones who are pissing, gambling, and drinking. I could care less about their racial background, sex, ethnicity, or any other damn factor.

4/11/2013 09:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The must mean those Vikings, again. CPD can set up check points at the lake front & get those scoundrels wearing helmets with animal horns protruding carrying flaggons of Rum as they jump off their long boats and piss on the shore in preparation to get all those easy mark tourists on the Mag Mile.

What do you call a city council meeting/county board meeting were all the alderpeople & comisars put their heads together ????? 2 big piles of rocks !

4/11/2013 11:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Send them to rahms home so they can help plant the family tomato garden.

4/11/2013 11:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr. SouthSide said...
North side alderman. Figures.

4/11/2013 02:09:00 PM

North or south side- doesn't matter. They all kiss the mayor's ass. They're all the same.



4/12/2013 07:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If I got caught pissing in an alley just like Joe Theisman I'd be yelling about, "My aging prostate was giving me fits!"

4/12/2013 09:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WHY do we still have 50 aldercreatures Rahman-noodle! Don't you care that it's for the children.

4/12/2013 11:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just write the urinating as indecent exposure....dick is in fact out. Becomes a sex offender and gets jail time for sure.

4/14/2013 10:38:00 AM  

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