Screw Chicago
- A key Illinois senator says legislation allowing public gun possession will carve out an exception for Chicago.
Republican Sen. Tim Bivins says the measure he and Democratic Sen. Kwame Raoul negotiated would allow Cook County authorities to deny a concealed carry permit even if an applicant passes the required background checks.
The former county sheriff from Dixon says the rest of the state would be governed by a so-called "shall issue" law — anyone meeting requirements would get a carry permit.
Bivins says the bill is being written. He says it's not ideal but gun-rights advocates have to compromise.
So Cook County (and by extension Chicago), which pretty much carries the State of Illinois in crime and homicide numbers, would just be written off by idiots like Bivins. The people who need it most, too bad. You'll just have to continue being victims, being accosted in your homes, on the street, robbed, raped and murdered.
Separate but equal? We sense racist undertones here. Can't have decent minorities protecting themselves you know. How about "fuck you Bivins."
Separate but equal? We sense racist undertones here. Can't have decent minorities protecting themselves you know. How about "fuck you Bivins."
Labels: gun issues
posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
87 Comments:
"Separate but equal? We sense racist undertones here. Can't have decent minorities protecting themselves you know."
sounds like an excellent basis for a lawsuit, following the successful passing of the 'shall issue' legislation applying to the rest of the state.
Didn't the supreme court rule that "no exceptions will/can be made for Chicago" under their ruling. Wtf? How can this legislation even be drafted? I know, crook county, but still, I'm carrying come june 10. Try and stop me.
The more I speak to people living in Chicago and Crook County many are thinking of leaving the state of Illinois.
Keep the house and let the banks have them. Tax, Tax, Tax, and crime, crime, crime, this state was gone after Jim Edgar left office.
Madigan, Burke, Perwinkle and Rahm can tax grape pop and flaming chips at 100 percent. Sorry, no tax with a link card.
20 years ago most of us thought we would live out our days here. Now, hell no. Time to go.
Will be moving to a GOP state !
Can't divide the state up to please Crook County Communist gun snatching Democrats. There will be an immediate court challange and gun advocates for Conceal/Carry will win hands down. Problem is this Democrat BS just delays a fair Conceal/Carry law for the entire state. After what we have seen in Boston good decent citizens no matter where they live should be allowed to protect themselves from criminals...and yes Terrorist.
The same Federal judge who ordered the state to come up with a fair Conceal/Carry law by June 7th will not go along with denying certain parts of the state to be excluded from the law.
Does this idiot have a clue or is he just cowtowing one of the assholes?
I don't think their is such a thing as a Republican in the State of Illinois politician wise
All we have to do is wait. When the 180 days are over, and the present ban is unconstitutional, we won't need any law to carry! For once, the machine just doesn't control the situation.
When I first came on the job the residency requirement didn't look so bad. Now it's the only thing I think of. If the FOP doesn't persue at least the residency stipend in current proposals that mysteriously was pulled off the table at the last minute just before the last arbitration I'll go fair share. This is the only leverage we have with 9.5 right now and we better use it wisely.
Yeah, we're getting hosed! I've been noticing that the republicans in office are voting with the moral/spine(less) democrats.
OT--looks like their aim is getting better. Two dead tonight. One in 015, the other in 017. This crappy spring is keeping the numbers way down. Or is it McBeen-awfully-quiet-lately's newest strategy?
Let them pass this law! It's perfect for another lawsuit like McDonald v. Chicago. I don't he's being racist, I think St.Sen. Tim Bivins(R) is frustrated by Chicago/Cook County Democrats holding up CCW's for the rest of the state.
Hope he puts in that bill that political hacks and officials can not ccw also and see how far it gets!
Fuck Illinois and fuck Chicago.
Decent Americans, who unfortunately live in Chicago, being denied the right to bear arms because their neighbors have no impulse control?
Decent people will be left to the predations of Chicago's well armed under class.
That's the scandal here SCC.
So correct me if I am wrong here. 49 states with CCW allowed. Only Cook County will have power to disallowed a CCW permit?
Cook County and Chicago also pretty much carry the state in revenue also. Let's get out and let them go further under. We would probably be doing a lot better if we kept our own money here.
Nobody should be surprised by this. The Peoples Socialist Republic of Cook County has always been seen by Non-Cook Countians as separate from Illinois! Let's be real here; were it not for Chicago and the Daley Machine, Illinois would have had Right to Carry years ago. Remember, the restrictive laws on handgun ownership existed in Chicago since Jayne Byrne and in Chicago alone. Oak Park and other suburbs followed the Chicago lead movement. No other County, village or municipality had such restrictive laws anywhere in Illinois! And, let's not get tunnel vision here, there are over 100 counties in Illinois, not just the County of Crook."G"
Chicago still has Home Rule.
Bullshit. Shall issue. No carve out. This year's 92 dead and 377 shot and wounded were not placed in that position by law abiding citizens.
Illustrating Chicago's Murders, Homicides, Violence and Idiocy at heyjackass.com
How do people not see that this banana republic, third world bullshit government we have here in Illinois is not American? How do our so called representatives think that they can blatantly violate the US Constitution? Why are we not tarring and feathering these criminals?
Gotta say SCC, you're right on the race issue for this. Cook County Democrats march in lock-step ideology against guns, and Downstate Republicans hate people of color. Perfect storm to let the violence in Chicago run unabated.
Chicago/Cook County have been dragging the rest of the state down the drain for years.
This is another attempt to distance the rest of the state from the mess that is Chicago/Cook County.
This, too will eventually be declared unconstitutional.
But how long will Chicagoans have to wait to be allowed to protect themselves.
The gang murders and CCW are to separate and distinct issues. One has nothing to do with the other.
The "Chicago Gang" (Preckwinkle, Emanuel, McCarthy & Quinn) are (successfully, apparently) tying the two issues together.
If carving out & sacrificing Chicago is the only way this state will get CCW, then that's what will happen.
In the eyes of many, Chicago is a lost cause, anyway.
rb
And again the lemmings will be targets, I work at Ohare and many visitors ask "how safe is Chicago weread about the viollence," we are national news, how could be people not know about Chicanos violence! We have judges that let criminals out, a joke of a court system, we have a war on working plce by both ipra (wonder why rosewicz is leaving obviously another scandal brewing there), iAd taking any beef and bolstering the officers there, no contract, rahm wanting to take away health care and destroy our well earned pension! Yep we want to work hard!
Two-tier state.
Wow. Fundamental rights disappear when a person lives in Cook county and mystically reappears when a person moves out of Cook County. Some of our lawmakers are rather ignorant.
It won't even last past the first court challenge. This isn't a home rule type of exemption.
Simply find a relative who lives in the rest of the State. Like 9.5 throw some clothes in it, get a rent agreement and wham... your good through that County.
"Bivins says the bill is being written. He says it's not ideal but gun-rights advocates have to compromise."
Translation: It's the only way it will pass. The Chicago politicians are too powerful and own too many people. (You're right, SCC. "Screw Chicago")
Bivins is a Republican.
Chicago is not.
Screw Chicago. If you don't like it, change the city & county government-vote the assholes out.
Is that even possible for them to do that? How can anyone say Cook County doesn't have to abide by the law of the land?
Fuck him. That idea shouldn't and wouldn't hold up for a second with the courts.
Bivins has got my vote if I ever move into his district.
Funny how all of this commotion in this state is because of extremely small portions of real estate located on the south and west sides of Shitcago. Pretty much the entire rest of the state has no particular problem.
Chicago has always been a separate communist state within a state, ruled with an iron fist. We are all just peasants living under the democratic rule. Everyone would just rather sell us out knowing we don't really belong with the rest of the state. I don't blame them.
So.... They are saying screw you to the courts?
Shall issue for the rest of the state, but WILL NOT ISSUE for cook county?
Let me guess, "need based"? In other words unless you're a politician, juiced, or family of these idiots you can go pound sand?
Doesn't that still violate the ruling?
Maybe the fine citizens of Cook County should get a better class of elected representatives. The people of central and southern Illinois are not blocking gun ownership in Cook County.
http://bivins.senategop.org/
Let him know what you think
rotten dirty motherfuckers.
When will we begin to realize that there are no real republicans left in Illinois.
I'm guessing the politicians in Springfield are doing this because Chicago is much safer than the rest the state. However, I do feel bad for the folks outside of Chicago who are driving through Cook to get somewhere, get pulled over for something minor and end up in jail for a weapons violation.
This is very similar to the Residency Requirement. Everyone else can live wherever they want, but not chicago. Why doesn't the FOP take up this issue?? why?
As others have said, it is doubtful that the Federal Circuit Court will sit still for this carve-out.
So why are they even trying?
I can understand Raoul-a lock-step Dumbocrat with his nose so far up Rahm's rear that when Rahm sneezes Raoul farts.
But Bivins? From Dixon? What is his angle? Has Rahm promised him something? Or is he being set-up for a position that will anger his constituents lending him setup for an easy defeat? If he is that stupid he doesn't belong in government.
I dare that balless POS to come on a Chicago call-in talk radio show and field questions from the public why he came up with this idea.
Hey "Bivins" FUCK YOU ,there is such a thing in this country that says ALL men are created equal!If you think your great fucking idea will float why don't YOU take a walk down one of our south or west side streets some nice warm evening, see what happens to you dumb ass. Keep your bullshit to yourself you fucking ingrate!
Yet another reason I'm looking to move out of state. They'll fight the inevitable lawsuits and pay out with taxpayer money, what do they care? Love this city, but after 25 yrs, not willing to live with the local/state politics the rest of my life.
(teacher, not a cop)
Can't divide the state up to please Crook County Communist gun snatching Democrats. There will be an immediate court challange and gun advocates for Conceal/Carry will win hands down. Problem is this Democrat BS just delays a fair Conceal/Carry law for the entire state. After what we have seen in Boston good decent citizens no matter where they live should be allowed to protect themselves from criminals...and yes Terrorist.
Who says they cant They have been doing it for years. Many, many laws exclude Cook County from the rest of the state. This is nothing new and I'm not sure the judge hearing the case will not accept it He just ordered the state to impliment a law, didnt put any restrictions on the law and may decide to let the state control the law, state rights you know
Didn't the supreme court rule that "no exceptions will/can be made for Chicago" under their ruling. Wtf? How can this legislation even be drafted? I know, crook county, but still, I'm carrying come june 10. Try and stop me.
Of course they didnt How could they rule that before Illinois decided to make that part of the law. What do they have a crystal ball They left it up to the individual strates, called states rights
Hey Bivens.....Go Fuck yourself.
I'm carrying now, come and take it.
WTF? Chicago and crook co. is where ccw is needed the most! Oh,and by the way the rino Kirk needs to go. Isn't getting elected as a republican then voting with the dems what king richard the first did in his first elected office?
If any of you copper types plan on arresting FOID card owners for carrying after June 9th, plan on using your vacation time in civil court as you will be sued personally as well as professionally.
The concept of equal potection under all laws in the country and the idea of carving-out Chicago/Cook County and indemnifying it from the 14th Amendment is so insane it is either a sign of frustration or desperation.
If they get away with it for one week, there should be hell to pay because it really would be pushing us toward a toltarian government.
People need to let politicians know it will not stand.
If you think residency will be lifted by negotiations or arbitration then you better click your heels together Dorothy, you are not in Kansas anymore. Short story you are a moron.
Democrats voting in opposition to background checks. A Presidential temper tantrum on live TV. A Hitler parody video that sums it all up. Priceless!
http://www.westernjournalism.com/hitler-finds-out-gun-control-failed-in-the-senate/
so, my family, wife, kids, etc aren't as important as others that live outside cook county. a hearty Fuck You Senator. I can't wait until my wife can legally carry a firearm. My family first Senator. once again. Fuck You!!!
The Constitution and it's enumerated Rights do not apply within the borders of Chciago
I learned this a long time ago
Boycott Cabelas in Hammond, Indiana. They won't sell AR's to the police since you live in Cook Co.
They don't care if its "work related" weapons. They showed me a general order from CPD on assault weapons.
But, I think they have it misinterpreted. I told them it was work related.
They told me they just got "audited" and got real nasty and ignorant.
I'm calling corporate office and will advise later.
Sen. Tim Bivins is the former 20-year Lee County Sheriff and former 12-year Dixon, IL police Officer. (Lt when elected sheriff.) His son currently is a Dixon PO.
I know him and think 5:19 am is correct. He wants downstaters to have CCW while the liberals up here continue piss themselves at the prospect.
It's not his fault, Idiots like all our democratic elected officials, from the mayor on down to Kelly cassidy do not want any concealed carry but if they must have it want may issue. That way they would just deny everyone. The rest of Illinois is getting sick of Chicago running the state. I say call their bluff vote down all bills by people like Kelly Cassidy and let it be open carry after june 9th. The bill sponsored by the NRA got 64 votes but needed 71. If the Chicago Democrats will not back down then let open carry be the law of the land.
Watch T.D. 9.5 & his minions come up with some
administrative fees, etc to make it impossible to get CC. Look at the bullshit yearly registration fees already in place that are only there to make it hard on gun owners.
Tim and shitheads like Tim don't get. Crooked politicians in the IL legislature have been ordered by a federal Court to craft and pass a concealed carry law with the due date in June. Tim and some of the aforementioned want to flip off the Court, again demonstrating a disregard for lawful and otherwise mandated duties that is not unique to Illinois politicans. Now Tim, being an elected leader and someone who SHOULD be leading in good faith wants to disobey the intent and order of the Court proving once again Illinois politicians are contemptuous of the law and often times spend lengthly periods in prison as a consequence. An ending by the way to a political career that makes many of us pleased. Tim, since you want to ignore the Court and continue litigation I have an idea. Here is how we citizens flip off the law. When you or one of your political cronys finds your narrow behind under indictment, we citizen jurors require you prove your innocense. There should be a new standard for politicans, guilty until proven innocent.
something from a citizen blog troller by the way.
Cabello Looks to Strip Elected Officials of Concealed Carry
Illinois State Representative John Cabello this week advanced legislation in the Illinois House ensuring elected officials are held to the same rules as other citizens regarding the concealed carry of firearms.
Cabello (R-Machesney Park) won House Judiciary Committee approval of HB 1711, which removes special permissions allowing mayors, alderman, presidents, trustees, marshals, and deputy marshals to carry a concealed firearm in communities where other law abiding citizens are denied that right.
Currently, the law classifies each of these elected offices as “conservators of the peace” and so affords them special rights to carry a concealed firearm.
Cabello said he introduced this legislation as an attempt to level the playing field between lawmakers and citizens.
“In light of the gun control measures that the City of Chicago imposes on its citizens, it’s only fair that elected officials are held to the same standard,” said Cabello. “Elected officials are no better than the people they represent and they should not have rights that are restricted from their constituents.”
In order to be named a conservator of the peace and be allowed to concealed carry, these officials need to complete a training course and be issued a certificate from the Training Standards Board. Once given the certificate, a conservator of the peace has much the same function of a police officer.
They can arrest and detain people on suspicion of crimes; in essence they become an arm of law enforcement.
Cabello’s bill would take these functions away as well as the right to conceal carry.
As a law enforcement officer himself, Cabello believes that only police should be doing police work; rather than allowing police privileges to be extended to alderman or mayors.
Initially this bill targeted municipalities with a population of over 1 million. However, an amendment was filed to extend this provision to municipalities across the entire state. The bill would preserve the status of part-time and auxiliary police officers to be conservators of the peace thus would not affect them.
“John Kass hit it right on the head in his article,” noted Cabello. “A shop owner can’t protect himself with a firearm and is subjected to the mercy of thugs in the city. But elected officials have either body guards to protect them or are allowed to concealed carry.
My bill would reduce these officials to having the same rights that they are enforcing on those they represent.”
The bill now moves to the House floor where it will be considered by the full chamber in the coming weeks.
http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/illinoisreview/2013/04/cabello-looks-to-strip-elected-officials-of-concealed-carry.html#more
This citizen reader wonders; Sure, maybe it is a pipe dream but I can only dream the legislature is found in comtempt of Court in a couple of months and is locked up. Would that be a great day in this state or what? By the way, what happens if they don't comply with the order and do not pass any legislation?
Re: Anonymous said...
The more I speak to people living in Chicago and Crook County many are thinking of leaving the state of Illinois.
Keep the house and let the banks have them. Tax, Tax, Tax, and crime, crime, crime, this state was gone after Jim Edgar left office.
Madigan, Burke, Perwinkle and Rahm can tax grape pop and flaming chips at 100 percent. Sorry, no tax with a link card.
20 years ago most of us thought we would live out our days here. Now, hell no. Time to go.
Will be moving to a GOP state !
4/20/2013 01:37:00 AM
Yes, we are moving out, and we know of other retired CPD/county/state people & families who are also doing the same.
any of you copper types plan on arresting FOID card owners for carrying after June 9th, plan on using your vacation time in civil court as you will be sued personally as well as professionally.
4/20/2013 02:30:00 PM
I dont do it now so why the hell would I do it after June 9th? "Good day sir." "oh you're driving through with your family." "Whats that sir, you wanted to let me know you're carrying a firearm?" "And u have a valid foid card and no arrest record" "Well you and your family have a good safe trip sir."
Boycott Cabelas in Hammond, Indiana. They won't sell AR's to the police since you live in Cook Co.
They don't care if its "work related" weapons. They showed me a general order from CPD on assault weapons.
But, I think they have it misinterpreted. I told them it was work related.
They told me they just got "audited" and got real nasty and ignorant.
I'm calling corporate office and will advise later.
4/20/2013 06:08:00 PM
you've got this ass backwards, buddy.
Cabelas is boycotting the obamination and it's minions, in this case, it's felinois and crook county minions.
if you don't like being boycotted, move to Indiana.
Leave Ilinois this state sucks
This citizen reader wonders; Sure, maybe it is a pipe dream but I can only dream the legislature is found in comtempt of Court in a couple of months and is locked up. Would that be a great day in this state or what? By the way, what happens if they don't comply with the order and do not pass any legislation?
Nothing happens to the legislaters. The taxpayers will have to pay a hefty fine for everyday the state goes with out fixing the problem.
The same thing use to happen when the county lock-up was over populated nothing happened to the legistaters or the decision makers, the taxpayers had to pay a hefty fine for everyday the lock-up was overpopulated. So the answer to your question is nothing happens to the legistaters, but you as a tax payer are bending over and taking dry each and everyday because of the crooked machine politics played in this god for saken city, county and state.
Anonymous said...
Boycott Cabelas in Hammond, Indiana. They won't sell AR's to the police since you live in Cook Co.
They don't care if its "work related" weapons. They showed me a general order from CPD on assault weapons.
But, I think they have it misinterpreted. I told them it was work related.
They told me they just got "audited" and got real nasty and ignorant.
I'm calling corporate office and will advise later.
4/20/2013 06:08:00 PM
I'm sorry that happened to you, but good for them. I know it is an inconvenience to us who are law enforcement and pro gun, but I agree with all of the companies that refuse to sell to us because we elected un-American socialists to office.
If our elected officials are so anti-Second Amendment, they represent ALL OF US. Until we get rid of these socialist scum, we should suffer under them. Elections have consequences.
Keep in mind that you are a citizen. No different because you're law enforcement. If the rights of citizens are trampled upon, YOUR rights should be as well.You are not a special class with special rights. That's what the socialists consider themselves.
So, in short, go get your gun somewhere else. They won't sell to communists, which is what we represent because of who we elected.
Las Vegas is always a nicer and more fun place to live than Chicago!
That's where I'm headed!
Southern Nevada here I come!
Chicago and Illinois is just an embarrassment to the nation!
Anonymous said...
This is very similar to the Residency Requirement. Everyone else can live wherever they want, but not chicago. Why doesn't the FOP take up this issue?? why?
4/20/2013 11:33:00 AM
Police already have concealed carry. Why should FOP take up the issue of civilians CC?
If any of you copper types plan on arresting FOID card owners for carrying after June 9th, plan on using your vacation time in civil court as you will be sued personally as well as professionally.
4/20/2013 02:30:00 PM
You cannot get sued for enforcing a currently valid law on the books. The Department may be sued and the law determined unconstitutional, but an officer will have no personal liability.
Anonymous said...
Boycott Cabelas in Hammond, Indiana. They won't sell AR's to the police since you live in Cook Co.
They don't care if its "work related" weapons. They showed me a general order from CPD on assault weapons.
But, I think they have it misinterpreted. I told them it was work related.
They told me they just got "audited" and got real nasty and ignorant.
I'm calling corporate office and will advise later.
4/20/2013 06:08:00 PM
It's their store and merchandise and can refuse to sell to anyone.
I think it's bad policy. I won't shop there anymore.
Police already have concealed carry. Why should FOP take up the issue of civilians CC?
4/21/2013 08:42:00 AM
What would you say if they took away CC for the police? What if you could only carry on duty? How would you feel about it then? It's an issue for ALL of us. You are pretty short sighted.
Do you feel that your spouse should be left defenseless? Read the Constitution sometime. You did swear to uphold and defend it.
It's their store and merchandise and can refuse to sell to anyone.
I think it's bad policy. I won't shop there anymore.
4/21/2013 10:01:00 AM
You should shop in the Chicago gun stores. Oh, wait. That's right. You live in a banana republic run by tyrants just like in the rest of the third world. You have no rights. Enjoy that and keep voting democrat!
So the rest of the state can come to Chicago carrying a gun, but we that live in Crook county won't get a permit?????
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Boycott Cabelas in Hammond, Indiana. They won't sell AR's to the police since you live in Cook Co.
They don't care if its "work related" weapons. They showed me a general order from CPD on assault weapons.
But, I think they have it misinterpreted. I told them it was work related.
They told me they just got "audited" and got real nasty and ignorant.
I'm calling corporate office and will advise later.
4/20/2013 06:08:00 PM
It's their store and merchandise and can refuse to sell to anyone.
I think it's bad policy. I won't shop there anymore.
Um, they're not supposed to sell anyone who resides outside the state. They will transfer it to the Cabellas in Hoffman Estates if you want, but save urself the trip. Just drive up north
Las Vegas is always a nicer and more fun place to live than Chicago!
That's where I'm headed!
Southern Nevada here I come!
Chicago and Illinois is just an embarrassment to the nation!
4/21/2013 08:03:00 AM
Nevada is one of the top 10 states for highest tax on retired persons. Surprisingly, Ill isn't. I'm still bailing out of this toilet.
Police already have concealed carry. Why should FOP take up the issue of civilians CC?
1) Because police can't be everywhere to protect everyone at the same time.
2) I don't care WHO blasts an offender who needs blasting, just as long as he gets blasted.
You cannot get sued for enforcing a currently valid law on the books. The Department may be sued and the law determined unconstitutional, but an officer will have no personal liability.
"currently valid" being the key phrase.
Today the issue is gun rights, but there are a host of laws that treat Cook County residents differently than the rest of the state.
This is really getting to be a huge problem. More and more legislation that treats Chicagoans or Cook County residents differently than those elsewhere in Illinois. The General Assembly has gone overboard reinforcing the power of the corrupt Democratic machine by making such distinctions more and more commonplace. It is a denial of Equal Protection.
"You cannot get sued for enforcing a currently valid law on the books. The Department may be sued and the law determined unconstitutional, but an officer will have no personal liability."
4/21/2013 09:39:00 AM
Not true. The law has already been ruled unconstitutional, so under 42 U.S.C. § 1983, a law enforcement officer has no immunity from a civil-rights lawsuit if he or she arrests someone for breaking that law.
The relevant section reads as follows:
"Every person who under color of any statute, ordinance, regulation, custom, or usage, of any State... subjects, or causes to be subjected, any citizen of the United States or other person within the jurisdiction thereof to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured by the Constitution and laws, shall be liable to the party injured in an action at law..."
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Um, they're not supposed to sell anyone who resides outside the state. They will transfer it to the Cabellas in Hoffman Estates if you want, but save urself the trip. Just drive up north"
Check the law. You cannot sell HANDGUNS to someone who resides outside of the state where the sale takes place without the purchaser's in-state FFL. Rifles are different.
SCC
If the 7th Circuit found UUW to be unconstituitional, and the deemed the Legislature to pass a Concealed Carry Bill within 180 days.
At what point does the unconstitutionality begin? After the 180 days?
Or is it unconstitutional on the spot and everone is just waiting the 180 days for the drafting of the legislation? Unconstitutional is unconstitutional? No?
Many people seems to think they can carry(with a valid FOID) after the 180 days, if there is no Concealed Carry Law put into place(much like Vermont)by the June 6 deadline. Why not carry(with a valid FOID)now if it has been deemed unconstitutional? Just wondering?
Mcpuppet demands gun arrests especially grandmothers that live alone. you guys ever heard of Mutiny? take back headquarters.
Anonymous said...
Police already have concealed carry. Why should FOP take up the issue of civilians CC?
Because my wife and daughters aren't the police, what about them when I am at work and they have to live their lives in this rotten city?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-illinois-gun-control-0423-20130423,0,1573948.story
This is the latest info on carried concelaed in Chicago. Senate is going to add an additional layer of scrutiny on the applicant with an additional record check
Nevada is one of the top 10 states for highest tax on retired persons. Surprisingly, Ill isn't. I'm still bailing out of this toilet
What are you talking about. Nevada is one of 7 states that has NO STATE INCOME TAX, so they dont tax your pension or any income you have Where did you get that stupid shit? They will welcome another softball to vote for Harry Reid to get elected
Read this article so you gets your facts straight and noone will believe your bullshit
http://taxes.about.com/od/statetaxes/a/Best-States-for-Retirees.htm
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