Don't Shoot Fido
- A bill that would require Illinois police officers to receive mandatory training in dog behavior is now on the desk of Governor Pat Quinn, Chicago Tribune reported August 6.
The new law would require the Illinois Law Enforcement Training and Standards Board to approve non-lethal guidelines that will require dog behavior training for police officers.
The bill, which was originally intended to help Cook County sheriff's deputies break up dog fighting rings, will teach officers how to read a dogs body language. Hopefully this will train police officers in the difference between an attacking dog, and one running up to say hello.
Illinois officers will be trained in non-lethal methods in dealing with dogs, in an effort to keep both officers and family dogs safe.
As the FOP points out however, there doesn't seem to be anything in the law mandating that dog owners take any steps to ensure officers don't feel threatened by dogs, like leashing them in open/public areas and posting proper signage warning of a dog in the yard. We aren't about to rejoice in the shooting of dogs, but after being on the receiving end of more than a few bites and seeing the damage an aggressive dog can do in mere seconds, we're more willing to grant the benefit of the doubt to the officer in most cases.
NOTE: bleeding heart liberal defenses of "that poor dog..." and "you asshole cops..." will be deleted out of hand.
NOTE: bleeding heart liberal defenses of "that poor dog..." and "you asshole cops..." will be deleted out of hand.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
100 Comments:
The Rick Simon escapade isn't going away. Big time back peddling . If you were on the boat you must be nervous
Homer Simpson: (after throwing meat to the guard dog) Faster, son! He's got a taste for meat now!
Cook County Sheriff Tom "Toupee" Dart will save dogs, Asian prostitutes and illegal aliens but will NOT LOCK UP A REAL CRIMINAL.
-this bill is totally stupid!!!
WTF? Please tell us who sponsored it!
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/05/15/police-kill-pit-bull-that-attacked-two-people-on-south-side/
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/20127351-418/police-kill-pit-bull-that-attacked-two-people-on-south-side.html
You're F'n kidding me, right? Now we have to see what's on the mind of a 4 legged dog as opposed to a 2 legged dog. I'm going to be so confused that I want a raise...Quinn- you' the biggest IDIOT on the planet.
You would think these morons in government would have a little more pressing things to worry about. Guess not. Pretty sure most cops would know a charging /menacing dog as opposed to a yipping friggin Yorkie.
If you don't want a beef from mutt-huggers, you might want to get a device called a Shoo dog repeller. An ultrasonic sound device only animals can hear, it turned around, and shut up some pit bulls I've met, as long as you keep fresh batteries in it. Capital Dog Food in Country Club Hills used to carry them. Saw similar devices on line, about $20 to $30.
Somebody shot a connected clout dog.
The vast majority of the four legged dogs that are shot are in high crime areas. Quinn is again trying to build up his white liberal base along with black support to do battle with Billy Daley.
YES
You must NOW assess a charging
Pit-bull coming at you at 25 mph and decide if it will cause you harm.
Gimme a fuckin' break.
Well, dog owners vote, don't they? Ignore all our financial troubles and vote a "doggy bone." Great work Illinois!
I'm a dog lover with 3 dogs. Nobody loves dogs more than me, but this is just another stupid idea and unfunded mandate. With all the things cops are expected to learn and attend training for this is truly a waste of time & money. There are only 3 reasons for this: 1) they're pandering for votes from the dog owners, or 2) they're in cahoots with someone who will make money providing the training classes, or 3) they're hoping to get laid by impressing some cute dog owner.
Not in Chicago, but...
There's been some shootings in places where the pets were in a fenced yard with a sign. And even in one case the officer shot through the fence into the yard right in front of a family. There has been some backlash because of those irresponsible acts.
Sniff this...
Just carry some scooby snacks in your pocket. Let fido come to the fence,give em a snack(bribe),they are now your buddy,just like an alderman.
Ok, I'm not a "Bleeding Heart" by any means,but need to let you know that even though an English Mastiff is extreamly large ( mine is 220 lbs and has a bark that would make ANY police officer think twice about approaching him)they are very gentle dogs, do not bite,and love children. ( and no not for snacks) So if one is by chance runninf up to you barking, and looking like a giant maneater, the most that will happen to you is you'll get slobber on your uniform.
Most cops are dog lovers. Most feds are cat people.
I'm just sayin'. It speaks fucking volumes.
Cops love dogs. We have K9 units. We rescue dogs and we own dogs. Irresponsible asshole owners that let their animals out after cops should suffer severe consequences.
Oh, wait. This is Illinois. We just tax the people more for stupid training. Which politician has a relative that works with dogs?
Unfuckingbelievable.
Stop police . . . sit . . stay . . nope (BLAM, BLAM). Oh well Quinn it wasn't wagging its tail. This man is a retard if he signs this bill.
If Quinn signs this bill the next thing he should sign should be the voluntary admittance form for the nearest mental health facility.
Wait for all the CR's from this crap. How do you explain on a To/From (or even better) or another police form, how you didn't have the time to check for all 20 or 30 characteristics before the dog tried ripping you throat out.
Take your training like a man -- at least it will be something different for a few hours, and might provide a plausible defense next time a viral video or news article about a cop shooting a dog starts circulating. "We've been trained on recognizing aggression, this dog was highly aggressive, we had no choice but to act."
And I just won the Powerball! (as long as we're dreaming....)
Im am so glad I get to retire soon.
Don't forget about the nimrod who shot the puppy in 17 on a residential street with kids around. No clout but it was in heavy rotation on the news for 2 days. Blame him.
I'm as conservative as you are, SCC, and a retired cop. But there are too many on-the-job at the moment that shoot at the four legged animals without hesitation when resorting to that level of defense is not necessary. I don't suggest any of us have to sustain a bite to defend ourselves, but quick triggers because you're lazy or mean gives all of us a bad name.
Un-fucking-believable,,,,,this is up there with the CA law that requires hotels to use fitted sheets because some hotel maids complained about aching backs.
I'm sure I'll get attacked for saying this, but I really don't see a problem with taking a little bit of training in this area. Nobody is saying that we can't shoot a dog if it's attacking us or somebody else. But having a little training for those questionable situations when you are on a call and a dog is present, or you come across animal abuse situations etc, may come in handy. I have always loved dogs and would hate to have to shoot one, but I absolutely would if I had to. The same way that we don't have to counsel some shitbag on why his life took a wrong turn as he's pulling a gun out, we wouldn't have to try to analyze a dog that's trying to jump up and rip our throats out. But a little training in understanding their behavior sure as hell isn't going to hurt anyone. I also took the crisis intervention training. Nobody ever said we can't put our hands on mentals or that we always had to be officer friendly with them. But the training taught us how to read mental related situations better and it has helped me and my partner avoid having to get physical with some of them. Obviously dogs aren't people, but as I said, a little extra information and training can't hurt.
cant wait to quit this job, and if your illegal unleashed dog over 20 lbs is coming at me in what my common sense determines is aggressive, im shooting it, fuck off..
As I read this I giggled a little because a police officer shot a dog this morning in 5th district! Whoops!
Maybe they should hire a dog whisper for hostile situations because animal control takes their time. Nah! Pew pew.
I believe any person that would raise an animal in their own home for their own entertainment is probably an emotional cripple . Just saying . The animal is not happy or healthy in that environment . If you live on a farm it might be ok. But not a condo or house. The dog needs more than that . Sorry.
Two words can solve this issue: "Verbal Judo"
I have dogs for pets, but i will not be fu-kin bit by a dog!!!!!! You know most of the dogs don't have their shots, so now I have to worry about getting sick from the dog bite. This is a fu-kin joke. The owners of the dogs need to be held responsible, its their job to have them secured, not mine to read the dogs mind!!!!!!!!
as a kid growing up in traditional catholic family we always had a dog as pet cocker spaniel german shepard n a collie to this day i love dogs but hate pit bulls and the people who own them.
As the newspapers publish a picture of the attacking pit bull when it was a puppy with it's obedience diploma.
I used to walk to church with my dad when I was a kid, anyone walking a passing dog would always say, "Don't worry. he wont bite you" and my dad would respond "Does the dog know that?" My dad was a smart man.
Dog snare. They work, burbs have them in most of the cars.
Fuck this. Fuck Quinn. If you need to off a dog, you need to do it. no classes needed. More money for the state to spend on dumb shit we do not have money for.
Stay safe out there....
How this came to pass is the recent videos that have hit the airways just this past year. Shooting after shooting of dogs by police. The videos all look pretty bad. In this day and age, you might as well think you are being video taped 24/7, especially the police. I wont Monday morning quarterback the police because I wasn't there but from the dozen or so videos I've seen this year, everyone of them looks like it wasn't necessary to shoot and or kill the dog. Unfortunately some of the videos, it looks like a straight up execution. Of course there are those situations that it has to be done and those cases, you have to do what you have to do but I think some form of training could only help both officers and the dogs.
At least I know what to do if an Illinois dumbocrat is charging at me.
Another Waste of Middle Class Taxpayer Dollars, by the Democommunists.
The Rick Simon escapade isn't going away. Big time back peddling . If you were on the boat you must be nervous
8/07/2013 12:18:00 AM
Wtf is this all about anyway? McStupid again? The man has 9 lives. Nothing touches him.
Is it named "Fidos" Law?
Why don't you add cougars to the list. No not the Gold Coast kind but the ferocious man eating king. No not those the four legged ones with pelts. Ohhh I give up.
An abused urban pit bull must be as neurotic as hell . Will they teach you that? Cooped up and bred for aggression . Not natural. Selfish self centered self absorbed dog owner .
Lets have Quinn look at photos of CPD Officers and citizens that have been bitten and mauled.
Officer R.R. working beat 821R last month was severely mauled by two pitbulls. Hospitalized for days and wont be back for months. Fortunately he was working a three man beat car and his partners were able to respond,to save his life.
If it doesnt made the media it didnt happen.
Come on guys, some of these stories of cops killing dogs because they looked at them the wrong way are ridiculous. I don't think good cops do this, but this stuff happens. And it's just a little training people...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I believe any person that would raise an animal in their own home for their own entertainment is probably an emotional cripple . Just saying . The animal is not happy or healthy in that environment . If you live on a farm it might be ok. But not a condo or house. The dog needs more than that . Sorry.
8/07/2013 09:51:00 AM
A dog is not a wolf or raccoon, born, raised and living in the wild. Domesticated over the eons, dogs are, indeed, happiest in the company of humans.
A tiny condo may be just fine for a small dog. A large yard and a house is plenty of room for a full size dog.
A dog needs food, exercise and its people. You seem to be confusing entertainment with companionship.
By reading the comments here.., no surprise of the amount of knuckleheads on the job.
No one would argue in protecting ones self, but if officers refuse to recognize the difference between some shitheads dog being unleashed on you, and a puppy wagging it's tail.., then you're a lazy f'kn mutt yourself!
It's a day away from the district.., quit crying like a bunch of coddled sally asses!
Good luck 20%'ers..., pulling the pin can't come quick enough I'm sure!
The victim liberals even complain when you shoot a bobcat in roscoe village in an area crowded with children. Morons.
I own a dog, but this is just insane. Nothing in there about controlling or leashing your dog. More madness to put an officer's life in danger. Dumb and stupid.
I'm as conservative as you are, SCC, and a retired cop. But there are too many on-the-job at the moment that shoot at the four legged animals without hesitation when resorting to that level of defense is not necessary. I don't suggest any of us have to sustain a bite to defend ourselves, but quick triggers because you're lazy or mean gives all of us a bad name.
8/07/2013 08:22:00 AM
I agree. Not everyone on this job had the opportunity to have been raised with a dog in the home. I've noticed some officer's reactions on scene was down right fear. Fear makes you make bad decisions. I was able to read the dog's body language differently as were other officers who were laughing at those policemen.
What scares me is how the City will use this against us in the future somehow.
Anonymous said...
Dog snare. They work, burbs have them in most of the cars.
8/07/2013 10:59:00 AM
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Lol just like every vehicle is supposed to have a fire extinguisher in the trunk! We have junk for our fleet!
What else do you expect from that jagoff Quinn......vote him out. Unreal....now you are supposed to second guess a f'n dog. Who dreams this shit up????
So if this law passes and when we shoot a dog, is there going to be a round table? Illinois and City of Chicago in double digit unemployment and their priority is dogs and fat ducks.
Illinois will pass the law and will give Northwestern and UIC around 12 million dollars each to develop the Fido Use of Force Model.
I am an animal lover but this is a waste of time and money
We all know how a subject can do from cooperative subject to active assailant in an instant. Look at Snoopy. One minute he's dancing and playing the piano and the next he's hopping in a bi-plane picking off everyone on the ground.
What's with animal control?.... Do you know they dont't work 27-7?.. I guess stray vicious dogs don't get it ....they shouldn't be out after 6pm because animal control isn't available. Are we going to be provided dog snares?..how many times you need animal control on the 3rd and Especially The 1st watch and you are told they won't respond until after 8am.
This has to do with liability..... After training, if you happen to shoot a dog and its a little questionable or creates enough outcry from the bleeding hearts, the department wants to be able to say they trained you and you should know better. Then they can turn their back on you and not stand behind you. GOOD LUCK COPPERS.
I will rely on the provision of "not putting myself in jeopardy to conform with"
Anonymous said...
Come on guys, some of these stories of cops killing dogs because they looked at them the wrong way are ridiculous. I don't think good cops do this, but this stuff happens. And it's just a little training people...
8/07/2013 02:24:00 PM
You obviously have spent your entire silver spooned life in a northern suburb where a domestic call consists of, "he hid the checkbook on me".
Cook County Sheriff Tom "Toupee" Dart will save dogs, Asian prostitutes and illegal aliens but will NOT LOCK UP A REAL CRIMINAL.
8/07/2013 12:27:00 AM
That's a pretty good toupee, never thought he wore a rug.
We all know how a subject can do from cooperative subject to active assailant in an instant. Look at Snoopy. One minute he's dancing and playing the piano and the next he's hopping in a bi-plane picking off everyone on the ground.
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HA HA HA!! You are killing me!
But seriously folks, when did dogs (the 4 legged ones)attain 4th Amendment Rights?
Sorry Snoopy, if a dog is attacking me, I am Glocking it. I don't give a damn. Dog will be DRT if he thinks for a minute he will bite an inch of my flesh.
This whole political correctness is out of control. Seriously.
What political hack is involved with this???
I gots the perfect intervention program.
pay me a million and its yours. Its
called ”CeaseFido”
Anonymous said...
The victim liberals even complain when you shoot a bobcat in roscoe village in an area crowded with children. Morons.
8/07/2013 04:12:00 PM
It was not a bobcat. Bigger and more dangerous. It was a mountain lion, or cougar. The animal people from Lincoln Park Zoo figure it followed railroad tracks to Chicago from northern Minnesota or North Dakota, border area.
And not only did the PC yuppies complain that their safety was maintained by police who shot the animal but one or more sent death threats to the district station. A lawyer who sues police got face time on TV decrying the use of force against the big cat. (Plenty large enough to kill an adult man) Might have been one of the Loevys who bitterly complained. They actually thought that the zoo keeps a crew on duty that could have come and captured or tranquilized the cougar and brought it to it's home territory. Morons.
I took calls in that neighborhood of coyotes roaming the neighborhood and there were coyotes around there. The yuppies were out with cameras taping the police and one told me I better not shoot the coyote. I figured fuck them in that case, let their kids be the bait. I would not seriously pursue any coyote with those morons and their video cameras all over.
A dogs life is more valuable than a PO's. For you idiots still being da police, remember this is the jury of your peers at your civil trial.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=556029337787887&set=a.542268289163992.1073741829.542219879168833&type=1&permPage=1
Why don't you add cougars to the list. No not the Gold Coast kind but the ferocious man eating king. No not those the four legged ones with pelts. Ohhh I give up.
8/07/2013 01:27:00 PM
Ill take a class on how to handle the Gold Coast cougar any day.
Anonymous said...
Ok, I'm not a "Bleeding Heart" by any means,but need to let you know that even though an English Mastiff is extreamly large ( mine is 220 lbs and has a bark that would make ANY police officer think twice about approaching him)they are very gentle dogs, do not bite,and love children. ( and no not for snacks) So if one is by chance runninf up to you barking, and looking like a giant maneater, the most that will happen to you is you'll get slobber on your uniform.
8/07/2013 07:18:00 AM
You sound like a bleeding heart by not understanding that I don't owe a dog "running up" to me, "barking, and looking like a giant maneater" or his owner anything. I owe myself and my family not to get hurt. After my partner got bit in the bicep by a mastiff (his second dog bite) I said screw it and I grew up with dogs but just because you know your dog doesn't mean that I should. I'm a cop not a dog whisperer.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Dog snare. They work, burbs have them in most of the cars.
8/07/2013 10:59:00 AM
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Lol just like every vehicle is supposed to have a fire extinguisher in the trunk! We have junk for our fleet!
8/07/2013 06:10:00 PM
I work in the burbs. We have snares. Officers still get bitten. Dogs still get shot. I HATE dog calls. I didn't expect to play animal control for stray dogs and motherless kitten.
I'm as conservative as you are, SCC, and a retired cop. But there are too many on-the-job at the moment that shoot at the four legged animals without hesitation when resorting to that level of defense is not necessary. I don't suggest any of us have to sustain a bite to defend ourselves, but quick triggers because you're lazy or mean gives all of us a bad name.
8/07/2013 08:22:00 AM
How this came to pass is the recent videos that have hit the airways just this past year. Shooting after shooting of dogs by police. The videos all look pretty bad. In this day and age, you might as well think you are being video taped 24/7, especially the police. I wont Monday morning quarterback the police because I wasn't there but from the dozen or so videos I've seen this year, everyone of them looks like it wasn't necessary to shoot and or kill the dog. Unfortunately some of the videos, it looks like a straight up execution. Of course there are those situations that it has to be done and those cases, you have to do what you have to do but I think some form of training could only help both officers and the dogs.
8/07/2013 11:08:00 AM
Thank you. Absolutely true. There are cops who are trigger happy and shoot animals without provocation. It is an execution when the animal is not being aggressive but merely present. The training may not help those type of cops but at least they will know now that there will be a bit more scrutiny for executing non aggressive animals.
Thank goodness there are not that many cops like this in Chicago.
An abused urban pit bull must be as neurotic as hell . Will they teach you that? Cooped up and bred for aggression . Not natural. Selfish self centered self absorbed dog owner .
8/07/2013 01:44:00 PM
In that instance shoot the owner. The dog will thank you.
tbone hardimutt said...
I gots the perfect intervention program.
pay me a million and its yours. Its
called ”CeaseFido
Oh gawd, fuckin' hilarious. The coffee just went flyin' out my nose!!!!
Anonymous said...
Dog snare. They work, burbs have them in most of the cars.
8/07/2013 10:59:00 AM
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Lol just like every vehicle is supposed to have a fire extinguisher in the trunk! We have junk for our fleet!
8/07/2013 06:10:00 PM
I work in the burbs. We have snares. Officers still get bitten. Dogs still get shot. I HATE dog calls. I didn't expect to play animal control for stray dogs and motherless kitten.
8/08/2013 12:20:00 AM
Post your town and phone number, we'll call you when we need a snare. I don't think I've seen a dog snare in a car or a wagon for over 15 years.
My personal solution is I don't even get out of the car if no one is being bitten or attacked. And in that case the dog's time on earth would be getting short. My answer is I have zero training in handling dogs so call Animal Control because I am not dismounting the squad car.
Anonymous said...
Ok, I'm not a "Bleeding Heart" by any means,but need to let you know that even though an English Mastiff is extreamly large ( mine is 220 lbs and has a bark that would make ANY police officer think twice about approaching him)they are very gentle dogs, do not bite,and love children. ( and no not for snacks) So if one is by chance runninf up to you barking, and looking like a giant maneater, the most that will happen to you is you'll get slobber on your uniform.
8/07/2013 07:18:00 AM
Oh, that Mastif sounds like such a big cute doggie. Slobber on my uniform you say?
Sounds like baby momma talking about how her son don't have nuthin to do wif' no gangs, is such a good boy and wouldn't be robbing and shooting and shit and wouldn't have had no guns like those lying poleese says.
Keep your cute man-eating looking 220 pound son of a bitch dog on a tight leash and he won't be going to doggie heaven due to lead poisoning. Let him run around free and jumping at police officers and you will be witness to his last moments of dog life.
Anonymous said...
Come on guys, some of these stories of cops killing dogs because they looked at them the wrong way are ridiculous. I don't think good cops do this, but this stuff happens. And it's just a little training people...
8/07/2013 02:24:00 PM
You obviously have spent your entire silver spooned life in a northern suburb where a domestic call consists of, "he hid the checkbook on me".
8/07/2013 09:17:00 PM
Don't they have domestics there with hubby sporting a carving knife sticking out of his chest? Or screaming in pain from the boiling oil poured on his nuts? Some things you can only see in the City.
By authority of Zone 6 Radio, "Vicious Puppies Are On The Loose"!
Those gals are the best radio entertainment around.
NC
"Do we have a dog speaker in the XX district available"?
NC
unfortunately, there have been a whole series of cops shooting dogs with video that clearly shows the dog was not aggressive.
the public remembers those, and not the 100 cases where the dog was aggressive and really needed shooting.
public perception is a critical part of getting public trust and CPD badly needs to do whatever it takes to gain back the trust the public at large no longer has in it.
pretending it is not a problem won't make the problem go away.
You sound like a bleeding heart by not understanding that I don't owe a dog "running up" to me, "barking, and looking like a giant maneater" or his owner anything. I owe myself and my family not to get hurt. After my partner got bit in the bicep by a mastiff (his second dog bite) I said screw it and I grew up with dogs but just because you know your dog doesn't mean that I should. I'm a cop not a dog whisperer.
8/08/2013 12:16:00 AM
I'm very sorry about your partner being hurt. First question I have to ask was, was it an English Mastiff or a Bull Mastiff? I know you're going to give me a smart ass answer by saying " as it was running up to us we didn't ask it"
Even I wouldn't trust a Bull Mastiff, THAT"S why I have an English, they Do Not bite unless provoked. Bull Mastiffs are a cross between Bull dogs and English Mastiffs but are known to be biters. I don't blame any officer that has to shoot a dog when he feels life/safty is threatened. My brother was a cop, ( ret.) and I would back a cop 110%for any decision he has to make. And Giant dogs in the wrong hands would be a nightmare for anyone involved, but just learn the different breeds. Hell carry an air horn, that'll scare the crap out of them.
And lastly I do understand what you're saying.
But seriously folks, when did dogs (the 4 legged ones)attain 4th Amendment Rights?
Sorry Snoopy, if a dog is attacking me, I am Glocking it. I don't give a damn. Dog will be DRT if he thinks for a minute he will bite an inch of my flesh.
Wow.., you must be one tough guy standing in the mirror with your new gun belt on!
You mow the lawn with your gun on too?
I think I saw you one day doing that very thing!
Your Glock ain't gonna do it pal when you get lit up like a xmas tree for shooting someones dog because you "Think" it was going to bite you.
How the fuck did some of you get on the job?
Wasn't there a caper years back in/around Humbolt Pk where the copper shot the owner AND the mongrel during an altercation?
The shit-head owner sicced the mongrel on the copper...
There was a lot of wailing/gnashing of teeth but the Department powers grudgingly ruled it was a good and justifiable shoot.
Anonymous said...
A dogs life is more valuable than a PO's. For you idiots still being da police, remember this is the jury of your peers at your civil trial.
This comment should be posted in every roll call room
Anonymous Anonymous said...
unfortunately, there have been a whole series of cops shooting dogs with video that clearly shows the dog was not aggressive.
the public remembers those, and not the 100 cases where the dog was aggressive and really needed shooting.
public perception is a critical part of getting public trust and CPD badly needs to do whatever it takes to gain back the trust the public at large no longer has in it.
pretending it is not a problem won't make the problem go away.
8/08/2013 07:38:00 AM
Sorry, but YouTube videos don't make the decision for us when a dog is snarling, leaping, circling or charging at us.
Why should someone have to put up "proper signage" to make YOU feel safer? How about you just don't be threatening when approaching someone's private property, or how about you carry some dog treats with you next time if you're that concerned. What's next? "Proper signage" to alert you that there's a gun in the home? So everyone in the neighborhood knows exactly how you're protecting yourself from unwanted guests? You advocate concealed carry, so if you say yes to my last question, you're a total hypocrite. :)
I love dogs.
I love dogs.
8/08/2013 07:51:00 PM
Me, too. They're great with a nice chianti.
Cook County Sheriff Tom "Toupee" Dart will save dogs, Asian prostitutes and illegal aliens but will NOT LOCK UP A REAL CRIMINAL.
Criminals are scary!
As with any shooting, you have to justify your actions.
As long as facts support your decision, do it, but don't put another copper in the middle and make him lie for you.
We're always going to be second-guessed by the public and Monday Morning QB'd by our own. That goes with the territory.
Thank you. Absolutely true. There are cops who are trigger happy and shoot animals without provocation. It is an execution when the animal is not being aggressive but merely present. The training may not help those type of cops but at least they will know now that there will be a bit more scrutiny for executing non aggressive animals.
Thank goodness there are not that many cops like this in Chicago.
8/08/2013 12:47:00 AM
Shooting a dog, or not, is not high on my priority list. If your dog is on leash it won't get dead. If it is, shame on the owner. I do not lose any sleep over Fido running free and getting dead because someone feels threatened. Keep dog on that leash. Next issue please.
Warning to all Dog Owners:
It was a Sunday afternoon, I was in the street jogging, and the dog was off leash. It came straight at me from between the parked cars and tore into my leg. It didn't bark. It was a "friendly" boxer. Go figure. Before that day, I had never considered this could happen. I had no plan of action.
Now I do. I bought me a .380 and I still run by that house. Revenge is best served on a cold plate.
Former Dog lover
Why is it that there is ten times the public outcry for the police shooting of a mutt over the shooting of a person?
Fuck the dog loving liberal assholes. Be responsible dog owners and take car of your pet and keep the dog under control and on a leash and you have nothing to worry about.
I used to get calls all the time from parents who had a real concern about dogs running free in the park at Greenview and Wrightwood. Parents of little tykes were afraid when the dog loving assholes brought their dog which the owner claimed was "like a family member" to the park and instantly took the dog off the leash to let it run through the park.
The problem was it is against Park District ordinance to allow dogs off the leash unless specifically posted as a dog park.
I lost count of the yuppie jerkoffs who would argue for their right to let their four legged mutt run free in the park. There was a doggie park a few blacks away but they would not go there.
I made felony arrests that were easier than giving those asshole dog owners a lousy ticket for dog off the leash on Park District Property. It's the law. Keep your miserable animal on leash.
I never lost a moment of sleep over having to shoot a dog. I am not about to take the slightest chance of allowing their dog to sink teeth into me. Oh the dog loves people they would scream. Oh he's loveable, oh he wouldn't have bitten you.
They won't bite with a bullet or two or three in them. That is a certainty.
Now all dog owners take heed: Buy a strong leash, keep your dog on it. No problem. Want doggie to run free? Move to the country, buy a piece of land or go to a suburban park and see how it works out.
Anonymous said...
Ok, I'm not a "Bleeding Heart" by any means,but need to let you know that even though an English Mastiff is extreamly large ( mine is 220 lbs and has a bark that would make ANY police officer think twice about approaching him)they are very gentle dogs, do not bite,and love children. ( and no not for snacks) So if one is by chance runninf up to you barking, and looking like a giant maneater, the most that will happen to you is you'll get slobber on your uniform.
8/07/2013 07:18:00 AM
Oh, that Mastif sounds like such a big cute doggie. Slobber on my uniform you say?
Sounds like baby momma talking about how her son don't have nuthin to do wif' no gangs, is such a good boy and wouldn't be robbing and shooting and shit and wouldn't have had no guns like those lying poleese says.
Keep your cute man-eating looking 220 pound son of a bitch dog on a tight leash and he won't be going to doggie heaven due to lead poisoning. Let him run around free and jumping at police officers and you will be witness to his last moments of dog life.
Ok, I'm not an officer, and I see where I worded things wrong.
BUT, I am not a Baby Momma ( I Hate that term) I'm white, Married for more years than you've probably been alive, kicked my sons asses whenever they needed it, made sure they respected the law ( as I stated before my brother was a retired officer) and if they had done something wrong, they were made to correct it. I understand that working where you do every day and putting up with some of the things you do might give you cause to look at things harder than the rest of us, but let the air out of your uniform sometimes and remember that there are normal people out here that really do have your best intrest at heart, would never wish harm to you, and yes just because we don't think like you don't deserve to be dragged down to your "it's them or us level way of thinking."
Anonymous
Ok, I'm not an officer, and I see where I worded things wrong.
BUT, I am not a Baby Momma ( I Hate that term) I'm white, Married for more years than you've probably been alive, kicked my sons asses whenever they needed it, made sure they respected the law ( as I stated before my brother was a retired officer) and if they had done something wrong, they were made to correct it. I understand that working where you do every day and putting up with some of the things you do might give you cause to look at things harder than the rest of us, but let the air out of your uniform sometimes and remember that there are normal people out here that really do have your best intrest at heart, would never wish harm to you, and yes just because we don't think like you don't deserve to be dragged down to your "it's them or us level way of thinking."
8/09/2013 03:04:00 PM
You have the age thing all wrong. I've been doing this a real long time. The reference to baby momma was meant to observe that people defend their own viewpoint no matter what. Kids that do no wrong, never lie etc, dogs that never bite and love everybody and are big goofy friendly puppy dogs. I have to be cautious out there with people and with dogs. Until I prove to myself otherwise I do not allow man nor beast to get too close to me. I've stayed alive and mostly safe over three decades as a police officer in some good and not so good places so I must be doing something right. Lately I have read a whole lot of this crap about trigger happy cops, mean cops, dog murdering cops etc. including not so subtle threats of "if they shoot my dog why I will ...."
Yeah, OK, you and the rest don't see things from where I stand and I can deal with that. I don't have the time nor inclination to explain why I behave in a certain way but given enough time I can probably do a good job of letting you know what experiences in my career led me to behave in a certain manner during certain circumstances.
I just don't need to explain myself in such detail out there. Other experienced police know what I am talking about. You don't so you reduce my comments to "sinking to a level." Many people behave in a predictable fashion towards police and if a cop is to stay safe he/she must conduct themselves in a certain manner that will keep them safe while they are doing a job and you might not have a clue exactly why they/we are doing some of the things that we do.
I am not defending the bad apples out there. I know they exist, I have to deal with them like the citizens have to deal with them. This is Chicago and bad characters are no good for any of us and are very difficult to be rid of.
I got bit up once because I gave the dog and owner the benefit of the doubt. I can almost still feel the crunch of dog teeth on my hands. I said to myself after that, never again, and it has never happened again.
I make my best judgement and act accordingly and give myself the benefit of the doubt. If I make a mistake I will stand up and deal with it. But the longer I am at this, the fewer mistakes I make.
Take care.
Well being leashed in public spaces IS already the law.
Thank you so much for answering me the way you did. It really made all the difference in the world. I do send a prayer every day to St. Michael that all officers are sent home to their loved ones in one peice, and as safe as they left the house. Please understand I wasn't trying to bash you, I just worded myself wrong and for that I'm sorry. I get the crap you have to deal with day and day out, and are supposed to " leave it at work" um, not so easy when you see child abuse, murders, and all out war. Please stay safe out there, back each other up, and know I care even though we don't know each other. And I do understand if you have to shoot a pooch
A dog attack happens in seconds police have less than a second to respond. Police safety is first, shoot the dog and you know your safe.
I have had Akitas for years (large furry Japanese police dogs) for years, including a 125-pound male. It's not the dog that's the problem... it's always the owner.
For example, I walk my dogs on a 6-ft leash and am constantly amazed at the number of people walking their dogs on those stupid retractable string leashes, which means the dog is not properly leash-trained. Hate those, especially when combined with a lady chattering away on her cell phone and not paying any attention to the dog. But I digress...
A charging dog is no different than a gang-banger grabbing at his waistband. Split-second decision and hope it's the right one.
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