Proposal to Reduce Aldrecreatures
We can't claim credit for the idea, but as far as we know, we're the only ones who made an actual effort to do anything about it:
- A pair of independent Chicago aldermen are resurrecting a politically-volatile idea to save millions and set the tone for the belt-tightening that lies ahead by cutting the nation’s second-largest City Council in half.
As mayor-elect, Rahm Emanuel broached the subject of going from 50 to 25 aldermen, only to choose the political path of least resistance — by eliminating three of the Council’s 19 standing committees and cutting Council spending by 20 percent.
Now, Aldermen Brendan Reilly (42nd) and Ameya Pawar (47th) are revisiting the idea to begin to chip away at the city’s $338.7 million shortfall and perhaps turn a City Council that’s even more of a rubber stamp for Emanuel than it was for his predecessor into a more deliberative body.
The aldercreatures probably aren't going to vote to cut their own numbers, so the only serious effort is going to come from a referendum, proposed either by the involved aldercreatures or a citizen. The research we did four years ago is located here, but in a nutshell, you have to gather signatures totaling 11% of the previous vote total of the mayoral election.
On short notice, we were able to gather just over 11,000 signatures out of a required 122,000. That's how apathetic Chicago voters are. And you're going to need double that to confront challenges from the Machine.
We'll see how serious these guys are in the coming days - we're betting not very.
On short notice, we were able to gather just over 11,000 signatures out of a required 122,000. That's how apathetic Chicago voters are. And you're going to need double that to confront challenges from the Machine.
We'll see how serious these guys are in the coming days - we're betting not very.
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67 Comments:
I spoke with ald Zalewski the other night at the casino and he related that there should be 50 more aldermen. Really?
Based on the per capita representations on city councils in the eight most populous cities in the nation, Chicago excluded, Chicago should have no more that seventeen (17) aldermen/wards.
We also desperately need term limits and a mechanism for recall referendum initiatives for all elected officials. Obviously, the City Council would never cut their own corrupt, greedy throats. It's "the Chicago Way."
Due to the nature of the vile beast aka the Democratic machine, they would never support the retroactive elimination of the "gold braid" bill. Patronage [GIVEN NOT EARNED] is their life blood in this most corrupt of all major U.S. cities.
The City Council can only be cut during Citywide redistricting and it was another, truly independent, alderman's idea first.
Anyone who thinks Pewar and Reilly are "independent" probably believes the two party system is alive and well in Chicago. Both are Rahm Emanuel rubber stamp shills.
Useless.
I live in 47 and Pewar has proven himself to be exactly what he campaigned against when first elected. His next new idea will be his first.
Pawar is independent? LOL! He is about as independent as Himmler was in Germany circa 1940. Wasn't this an Emanuel plan originally?
After being called out for missing 80% of Council Committee meetings he explained that his presence is not necessary because he is dealing with constituent services in his ward. Has he changed his mind about the importance of constituent services?
Here's an idea to save some money: cut aldermanic salaries to $60K as Pawar volunteered to do when campaigning. Unfortunately, Pawar is drawing a full salary.
I dont see this happening. So many things are backwards now... president, politicians, judges, lazy complain all day coppers and giving away free shit. amerikuh!
I would get signatures on every street stop we do. If every Officer did that we would have that done in no time! Just sign here!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I spoke with ald Zalewski the other night at the casino and he related that there should be 50 more aldermen. Really?
8/04/2013 12:42:00 AM
Based on your posts, you spend an awful lot of time in that casino.
Leave Tom Finney alone.
I adore his sweet rolls.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
I spoke with ald Zalewski the other night at the casino and he related that there should be 50 more aldermen. Really?
8/04/2013 12:42:00 AM
I spoke with a lot of chgo policemen during a fire fight and they related there sould be 10,000 more policemen. Really.
So now you're going to attempt to grab credit for this? Gimme a fucking break. Just what did you "actually" do? Maybe I missed something.
These two floated this story so the media can revive Emanuel's mention of the idea two years ago.
It's simply part of the agit-prop campaign to fuck city employees.
The average Joe heard that story and will remember: "Rahm is willing to save money on the city council, so fuck those cops"
shanks still has tax-payer funded security personnel and vehicles at his beck and call, which is beyond outrageous.
Is the new girlfriend now protected and chauffeured by city personnel with city-owned vehicles?
Hmmm, 23 Police districts, 23 Aldermen.
How hard was that?
How about 15 Aldercreatures and term limits.
Just A Citizen, you don't know what you're talking about. You make it seem like Pawar backed down on his proposal to draw less than a full salary. The city council FORCED Pawar to draw a full salary. It is the law that he take that full salary. He did not back down, he just had to follow the law. As a constituent in the 47th Ward, Pawar is a breath of fresh air that has voted against the mayor on many issues.
Be careful what you ask for. So let's say we go from 50 alderman down to half. Well that would mean it would be half as easy for the Machine or anyone else to buy off those 25 Alderman. Be careful what you wish for.
If you want real, authentic change then regular citizens should be running for alderman. Challenge the machine and career politicians directly. I live in Ameya Pawar's ward. I was impressed that this guy knocked on every single door and voted for him. He knocked off the hand picked Machine chosen candidate.
Cut down to 25. CUT all their staff and budget. That would be a real cost-saving.
If all these people are just rubber-stamp votes anyway - just cut them down to 25. No need to keep more yes-men than you need.
Not a LEO, JAFO
Don't get your hopes up DUMMYCRATIC VOTERS, this with never occur. Hah!
Brendan Reilly was elected to the council with the full backing of Mike Madigan and his political machine.
Pensions
We already have pension reform.
Allll new hires are in a TIER 2 pension. The TIER 2 was created in exchange for actuarial funding.
get a petition going again with longer then 3 weeks to get passed around... maybe fop could send a rep with a few laptops to each roll call and fill it out online with a little take home for copper's families to do the same. Coordinate with CFD, CPS, while they're hot and bothered.
I for one am sick and tired of the politics and would be willing to assist in organization efforts. Just to see 1/2 of these tards unemployed would put a smile on my face well into retirement.
VRI is good if shootings do not decrease they will take it away
Just give me the word & I'll take care of it........
Pawar can't cut his own salary, because it's set council-wide. He takes unpaid furlough days to knock his actual pay down to $60k.
If faced with a salary cut and staff cut, the democrats would choose a population elimination to preserve their own lifestyle. Go for the salary and staff cuts with the aldermen and then see the fur fly when the aldermen push for less wards and greater salaries.
LoL alderman don't do much and were paying millions to these people and paying for office political hires
I don't see how any of these crooks are going to vote for a policy which will eliminate half of them from city government. Again, evidence of the dictatorship we live under. When are people going to wake up and quit sleepwalking through life here in Shitcago?
Cut the number down! One per police district. Put their office in the station too. That way folks could find him.
Does everyone in unit 704 receive a take home vehicle & daily overtime?
We need 50 more aldermanic spots so the pols can have more spots for their unemployable sons and daughters.
So now you're going to attempt to grab credit for this? Gimme a fucking break. Just what did you "actually" do? Maybe I missed something.
Dear Dumbshit:
Did you even read the first line of the post? "We can't claim credit for the idea..."
Isn't that in English? We're pretty sure it is, but the exact meaning must have escaped your tiny pea-brain. People have talked about reducing the number of aldercreatures for years, but no one has done shit about it.
If you read the embedded link halfway through, we show exactly what we did.
(1) Did you see the petition at the link? We created it. That's ours. We didn't download it - we made it based on examples and following the statute that would allow an actual referendum. No one else even took that simple first step.
(2) We posted it on a blog we happen to have. We pushed the issue and tried to rally the troops to take proactive action to better our situation and maybe rattle a few cages at City Hall.
(3) We got media coverage. If you go through the archives in the following days and weeks, Channel 2 did a piece on it along with a few other outlets.
(4) We personally got around 400 signatures of the resulting 11,000 signatures and accepted a retired Sergeant's offer to be the face of the petition drive and collect, collate and number the sheets.
So the question now becomes, what the fuck did you do to fight back and try to better the lives and positions of 17,000 active and retired police officers you ignorant asshat?
@ 8/04/2013 02:13:00 AM
@ 8/04/2013 02:29:00 AM
Obviously you chose to badmouth Pawar TWICE, but I don't quite know why. I can only assume you're a machine hack whose guy lost to Pawar in the last election, but here's my take:
The 47th Ward has ALWAYS been a machine controlled ward. I've lived here for 60 years and until Pawar won the last election, 47 has been run by TWO aldermen... Former Park's boss Ed Kelly and then by his underling, Gene Schulter. BOTH of them were completely obedient to the Daley Crime Family and would NEVER deviate one inch from what the machine ordered them to do.
Pawar is an absolute breath of fresh air compared to those other two ass-clowns! He is everywhere, from community meetings to block parties to fests and charitable events. You'd be lucky to see Schulter anywhere.
I believe Ald. Pawar has already stated that he plans to leave the city council after 1 or 2 terms (wouldn't it be nice to get rid of all these worthless goofs so easily?). Guess that's why he's willing to step up and sponsor a reduction in the size of the council.
Anyway, don't let the one guy typing on his laptop at 2 in the morning mislead anyone in to thinking Pawar is not a top shelf advocate for his constituents. Truth be told, he's waaay more liberal than I like, but if this guy decided to run for mayor, he'd be more INDEPENDENT than any Chicago mayor has been in my lifetime!
http://chicago47.org/the-ward/about-the-alderman/
Divide the city into 4 sections
4 aldercreatures in each section
if necessary mayor is tie breaker
8/04/2013 07:46:00 AM
Well . . .
It's good to see that it's not only on my time that they're reading and commenting on your blog.
Reducing aldermen would go against everything the Machine Stands for. Chicago Aldermen are there to do what the mayor tells them to do. This is just more "noise" being made to get the public mind off the Real Issues that are plaguing Chicago.
No cheers for the puppets and the puppet master.
get rid of half of them, then hire more Cops, and give the working police raises based on performance, attendance, medical Roll. Also, No Gold Braid pensions, and they pay em back at a percentage of the time they have been collecting them.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
So now you're going to attempt to grab credit for this? Gimme a fucking break. Just what did you "actually" do? Maybe I missed something.
8/04/2013 07:46:00 AM
Why, yes. Yes, you did.
"So the question now becomes, what the fuck did you do to fight back and try to better the lives and positions of 17,000 active and retired police officers you ignorant asshat?"
C'mon SCC, if you got something to reply to this guy, don't sugar coat it, tell em' what you really feel.
I love it.
You're Welcome.
Anonymous said...
Does everyone in unit 704 receive a take home vehicle & daily overtime?
8/04/2013 01:19:00 PM
Yea!
Who is responsible for this new piece of legislation?
http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20130730/BLOGS02/130739981/new-law-makes-it-twice-as-hard-to-run-for-alderman
i say leave the alderman of the north side n northwest side alone but you probally get rid of most of the ones on soth n west side totally useless anyway
I spoke with ald Zalewski the other night at the casino...
You spend a lot time at that casino (every week, according to your posts) talking to the alderman, you should have been promoted by now? Hint: safe yourself some money and just talk to him on Archer, like I do.
Does everyone in unit 704 receive a take home vehicle & daily overtime?
No take home car, but overtime on all working Holidays, MLK, Lincoln, Washington, Columbus, ect...
How about getting rid of the newest aldercreature first...little Mel......
if they were serious they would have started with not replacing mel with another mel
I would like to clarify two factors concerning Chicago's City Council and wards.
(1) Wards must be of equal population. There is no correlation between the populations of wards and CPD districts. Do you understand that 8:16 AM and 12:40 PM? Your proposal is impossible. The huge 8th Dist. alone would have to be divided into at least three of the seventeen wards. With nearly 250,000 residents, 008 alone would rank as the second largest city in Illinois.
(2) Some suggest that Chicago's wards be only cut in half to 25. Read the following post from SCC. Give the city an inch, they'll take a mile. ONLY SEVENTEEN (17) WARDS. PERIOD.
Click on CITY COUNCIL MEMBERSHIP FOR THE EIGHT MOST POPULOUS CITIES IN NATION
I absolutely concur with the 12:52 AM poster regarding our desperate need for term limits and a recall referendum initiative. Without these reforms, Chicago is doomed to the fate of Detroit. It's only a matter of time.
ot.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/08/04/virginia-gun-crime-drops-as-firearms-sales-soar/
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Cut the number down! One per police district. Put their office in the station too. That way folks could find him.
8/04/2013 12:40:00 PM
Are you nuts??? Having the alderman in the station and the ward with the same boundaries; asking for trouble. The alderman will be dictating where YOUR dumb ass will do foot patrol, what stop sign you will sit on, etc. This is one of the most stupid ideas on the blog. Each ward should contain parts of 4 districts. Then the alderman has 4 commanders to deal with. You obviously never had to deal with an alderman, or you are one of them.
Anonymous said...
Cut the number down! One per police district. Put their office in the station too. That way folks could find him.
8/04/2013 12:40:00 PM
I feel it would be easier to investigate them if they are already in the police station. Not far to go if you need to slap the cuffs on them also. And if they feel the need to go around to roll calls or the commander's office asking "Don't you know who I am?" Well, that can be accomplished easily enough.
You know, in case they have amnesia and forget who they are, someone can remind them: "Yes, it is a bad dream, you really are just a pimpshit alderman, now get the garbage collected you moron!"
i was looking for a link to The onion when i started reading this.
I'd add tort reform, indemnifying us from lawsuits and term limits to that wish list, but this is IL and DEMONcrats will NEVER do something so honorable.
CHALKIE said...
Just give me the word & I'll take care of it........
8/04/2013 11:26:00 AM
often imitated, never duplicated.
i don't do requests.
at least not those made by the breathing public.
Chalkie
no matter what happens! Police officers need to stick together. Set aside personal BS and take up for each other. We are in a very troubled way and time. No more cutting each other up or down. Keep it about our contract and future.
How about after cutting the number of alderwankers in half, we cut the salaries of the remaining alderwankers in half.
IIf Rahm is behind this watch out!
It is easier for him to control 25 robots than 50.
If the counsel is cut in half each alderman will want more staff and twice the pay. Maybe there would have to be one or more Deputy Aldermen in each ward.
There will be no savings!
You will never get to contact your alderman directly because you now are only half as important as you were before if you voted al all.
And ward boundaries, if you think there was a fight last time wait till there is twice the booty to be had. The ward boundaries will be drawn to benefit the catered constituents not the working middle class who foot the bill.
Stay Safe and be careful what you wish for.
i say leave the alderman of the north side n northwest side alone but you probally get rid of most of the ones on soth n west side totally useless anyway
Not true...female O'Connor, Tunney, Moore, and Reilly can be put on the useless list. An honorary useless list mention to police fighter ms. Mell too, because of her family monarchy.
Fox news, or any Chicago news agency for that matter, has a long way to go in my book in becoming actual news reporting machines but this is refreshing to see someone in the media speaking up on nepitism in Chicago politics:
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/story/23023890/illinois-royal-families-arent-helping-our-state-welsh?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=9156060
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Pawar can't cut his own salary, because it's set council-wide. He takes unpaid furlough days to knock his actual pay down to $60k.
8/04/2013 11:30:00 AM
Everyone should pay attention to this comment: "unpaid furlough" and "knock his actual pay down to $60K". (Sorry Scc, I know you hate this but...)FOR A PART TIME FUCKING JOB!!!! That's what an alderman is. A part time employee who makes about $109,000 per year. Tunney runs a restaurant chain, I couldn't even list how many are lawyers actively practicing. That council needs to be cut by at least 30 and their pay should be cut to no more than $60K. Ever see a daily city council meeting? On average, only about 10-12 of them are there.
There should be one north one west one central and one south. Why do we need them anyway whatever the little tutu guy says goes.We must never elect democrats again in this state.
Reduce ? NOOOO !!!
I suggest we count the number of the current alderpersons children.
Then, add an aldermanic position for each of them.
Then it would be considered fair.
Unit 704 run by a po 4 hr work days all the overtime you want and yes take the vehicles home no supervision
"Dear Dumbshit:"
I like that.
Polite, concise and accurate.
I'll need to borrow that when writing to politicians.
NC
I am mortified about this situation. Where is Ald.Fred Roti when you need something done?
How about getting rid of the newest aldercreature first...little Mel......
8/04/2013 06:54:00 PM
If TD 9.5 had even the faintest inclination to reduce the size of the city council, not replacing little dick mell would have been the perfect place to start, but no! He replaces him. With little dick's (wo)man-child. Business as usual. TD 9.5 is nothing more than a little shanks.
hey, if they do this who do i see if i want to be a sgt. or get to a better dist, no i dont think this is a good idea....
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Pawar can't cut his own salary, because it's set council-wide. He takes unpaid furlough days to knock his actual pay down to $60k.
8/04/2013 11:30:00 AM
Bullshit. Pawar is a democratic suckhole who promised "reform" like so many others. He has never voted against Rahm. He fucking sucks and so do you if you trumpet his horseshit.
FBI arresting mayors left and right? Why aren't Emanuel or Dick Daley included?
http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/Miami-Lakes-Mayor-Michael-Pizzi-Sweetwater-Mayor-Manuel-Marono-Arrested-By-FBI-on-Bribery-Related-Charges-Report-218525331.html
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Trenton-Mayor-Tony-Mack-Arrest-New-Jersey-Corruption-Probe-169147016.html
I love it when you north siders quarrel amongst yourselves.
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