Sergeants' Out-of-Grade
We guess the PBPA won one:
- Sergeant's WIN DSS Arbitration
Late yesterday afternoon, we received a favorable award in the DSS grievance.
Arbitrator Roumell ruled that sergeants assigned as the DSS are in fact performing substantially all of the duties of a lieutenant and should be paid out of grade for the time worked as the DSS.
There are a couple issues that need clarification, though, and Tom Pleines has already notified Arbitrator Roumell.
Unfortunately, he is not available until next week.
I’ll have more information and will inform you when we receive clarification from Arbitrator Roumell.
This grievance award is a big win for our members and further protects the collective bargaining agreement from the Department in their attempts to circumvent the contract.
The award in the interest arbitration for our successor collective bargaining agreement should be out pretty soon as well.
Arbitrator Bierig related that he would have the award out sometime after Labor Day. Hopefully we’ll have it within a couple of weeks. Again, I will update everyone when we receive the award.
Have a safe and enjoyable holiday weekend,
Jim
Wait a minute - Pleines is working for the PBPA now?
No wonder they remembered to send the letter.
No wonder they remembered to send the letter.
Labels: info for the police
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
54 Comments:
So how will Don O'Neill turn this into another 'I know what it says; but, that's not what the arbitrator meant' fiasco? Only when there is a penalty for the city ignoring the contract or willfully violating it, will things change.
Wait a minute - Pleines is working for the PBPA now?
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Yup
For over a year now..
Hey... the guy really knows his stuff.. Like when to send out a letter on time.
Plienes???? isn't this the guy that Shields fired immediately upon getting elected?
The labor attorney with so much experience and knowledge that the Sergeants association hired him right after the FOP fired him.
The same guy that sued the FOP for discrimination when he was fired. And Shields had to pay him off with our money.
And he actually did an excellent job winning the this grievance?
So please tell me why did Shields and the FOP fire him?
He seems like he knows what he is doing. I want him representing us!!!
Anybody that votes for shields is a fool.
If I hear one sgt crying poor after this payday I'm gonna slap the shit out of him. Good god, imagine that check.
Wait a minute - Pleines is working for the PBPA now?
No wonder they remembered to send the letter.
wow.... a nice shot across the bow hey lil mikey... ahahaahahhaha
Shields listened to Geiger and fired Pleines. Smart move Paul.
How big of mess is this going to be for the sgt's test? Are we now going to be expected to know the Lt's responsibilities as well?
This is also good news for officers grieving the out of grade for desk sergeant. Although a different arbitrator, this decision should help establish a precedent.
Just because the department "eliminated the position of desk sergeant" doesn't mean the guys and gals filling in aren't doing the same tasks and duties the desk sergeant used to. An arbitrator with a lick of sense will readily see that the department changed the rules in the middle of the game for their own benefit. Why was it OK to pay out-of-grade forever only to say "not anymore" in January 2012?
Approving inventories. Approving PC on arrests. Responsible for prisoners movement in and out of a holding facility for sick arrestees, lineups and detective interviews. Responsible for the money/transmittals for cash bonds. Responsible for the shift change audit of all prisoner USC and jewelry. If someone fucks up and loses a prisoner or cash turns up missing, you know the department will hammer them. So it's only fair they be compensated for taking on the additional responsibilities.
Then there's doing a lot of the DSS's work: court transmittals/paperwork on 1/W and 2/W (betcha didn't know the DSS is supposed to be stapling all those arrest/court packets together to send to court with the bodies, did ya?). Calling in court absentees. Calling Central Warrants to verify warrants. Writing bonds for those eligible. Yep, all are the DSS's responsibilities. Not to ENSURE these tasks get done, but these and other tasks performed by the desk people on an everyday basis are supposed to be the bosses' babies. The list goes on and on and on.
I hope these folks get paid what's rightfully theirs along with a substantial award to boot. What'll be interesting to see is how the department handles who works these assignments once all the smoke clears. Will desk sergeants return? Will XOs go back to running watches with a field lieutenant? So many questions that the city failed to see before they implemented these cockamamie practices.
Congratulations sergeants and fingers crossed for you desk folks who should be a shoe-in for a successful arbitration decision. Stay safe out (and in!) there folks,
- Recently Retired Lieutenant & Loving It!!
This is great news. And I signed up for the Sergeant's test. That means that I will get lieutenants pay when I am the DSS. I already bought my new Sergeant’s uniform. Yes, that is right, I am a “doer” with a “can do attitude.” I am going places on this job.
I've been assigned to Safe Passage this past week
Can I get paid for Crossing Guard Supervisor duties?
I'm hoping this means success for the countless grievances for P.O.'s acting as desk sergeant's.
Fuck this money grabbing administration.
Now what about the blue shirts acting as desk sgts 24/7 in the districts? At least in 010 a blue shirt is doing the tasks of a desk sgt all 3 shifts. Are they entitled to out of grade? They're approving arrests and putting two cents in on narratives when they mostly don't know shit about doing arrests. Whose accountable when they refuse to approve an arrest until you add whatever bullshit line they suggest. We will get jammed up in court not them.
Welcome back watch commanders and desk sgts LOL.
No do POs working the desk ask for out of grade sergeants pay? This could cause the anemic duo a lot of money.
At least they will have a good use for the speed camera money.
Good for you guys. I am happy for you and your family. That extra money will go a long way. What is pathetic though are some bitter cops/blue shirts who are upset about it. Quit thinking "us versus them". It's only us.
They won an arbitration, but Rahm isn't going to pay.
How many grievances have been settled for the White Shirts... I'm still waiting for my meager NATO 6th day ot.
I wish sgt. Magic would get his letter to go to 006. What a head case!
SCC, your last two lines are PRICELESS!
Opps Make that "two"
Maybe some sergeants can buy some new uniforms with that cash. Look in the mirror have some pride in yourself. If your stapling chevrons to your sleeve might be a good time to buy a new shirt. Or if your yellow shirt was purchased white 8 years ago
OMG!
Lemon Ade is now on R-FLEE's shit list for the second time.
One more strike and R-FLEE will dispatch the Mossad to liquidate the Lemon Ade!
good one SCC.....ZING! OUCH!
Plienes is the one who sent the letter in every year for FOP. Before the shit canned him he negelected to remind them to send it in.
Now fop should begin a suit involving pos on the desk doing sgt s duties . Keep em coming!
Mickey PINNOCCHIO Shields has his "good" buddy Gieger as our attorney. Their are many question that needs to be answered? Harold Brown asked the questions and Mickey and Doherty removed him from FOP.
Anonymous said...
Now what about the blue shirts acting as desk sgts 24/7 in the districts? At least in 010 a blue shirt is doing the tasks of a desk sgt all 3 shifts. Are they entitled to out of grade? They're approving arrests and putting two cents in on narratives when they mostly don't know shit about doing arrests. Whose accountable when they refuse to approve an arrest until you add whatever bullshit line they suggest. We will get jammed up in court not them.
8/31/2013 02:57:00 AM
You must not have been paying attention the last 20 or so months. POs have been dropping grievances one per day for the OOG pay. Aguilar at FOP wrote his article about it with an update a couple months ago. Someone mentioned theres been somewhere btwn 8000-10000 individual grievances dropped by people. Theres a guy downstairs (in 011) that claims 300 +/- grievances that JUST HE has already filed with copies of every last document/inventory/etc. neatly filed away for if/when he needs proof of all the work done as sgt. Seems the dick who is the Cmdr or MLAS wouldn't allow the officers to file a class action grievance nor would he accept them on a period by period basis. He wants ONE PER DAY. THE ONLY REASON FOR THIS IS TO WEAR DOWN POs FILING GRIEVANCES. I hope your arbitrator sees this move by MLAS. Good luck to you guys and girls. Especially in places like 002,010,011,007 etc. you desk people bust your asses and need a sergeant to run desks that f*^%ing busy.
Write the check, Rahm.
Yeah, Pleines is working for the PBPA. Tell us what a great job he did in your contract negotiations. Wait, you already did. You voted the thing down overwhelmingly.
On a side note, your slip is showing. You must be a sergeant as you referred to "our members". Getting a bit sloppy in covering your tracks, no?
Whoever posted about the 010 district blue shirts needs to get his head out of his ass. Grievances totalling over 5000 have been filed by pos. It has already gone to hearing and a decision is forthcoming.
Pleines sucked on the FOP tit for well over 2 million of your dues paying dollars. He was the settlement king. His motto was "Why fight for a copper's rights when you can take the easy way out and settle a case?" I, for one, am not unhappy that he's gone.
'm hoping this means success for the countless grievances for P.O.'s acting as desk sergeant's.
Fuck this money grabbing administration.
Not sure it really has anything to do with the po's arbitration. Hate to say it but two arbitrators can really rule completely different. Not like a court where a previous ruling can set precedent.
Hopefully our arbitrator will read this opinion and take it into consideration
If I hear one sgt crying poor after this payday I'm gonna slap the shit out of him. Good god, imagine that check.
8/31/2013 12:32:00 AM
Wtf are you talking about? The only ones that get it are the ones that worked as a Dss for their tour. It's not an automatic bump to Lt.'s pay so I don't know where you are seeing those big checks.. Typical fucking clueless p.o. That has to cry about someone else getting awarded what should have been paid to them in the first place..
This is also good news for officers grieving the out of grade for desk sergeant. Although a different arbitrator, this decision should help establish a precedent.
Just because the department "eliminated the position of desk sergeant" doesn't mean the guys and gals filling in aren't doing the same tasks and duties the desk sergeant used to. An arbitrator with a lick of sense will readily see that the department changed the rules in the middle of the game for their own benefit. Why was it OK to pay out-of-grade forever only to say "not anymore" in January 2012?
Approving inventories. Approving PC on arrests. Responsible for prisoners movement in and out of a holding facility for sick arrestees, lineups and detective interviews. Responsible for the money/transmittals for cash bonds. Responsible for the shift change audit of all prisoner USC and jewelry. If someone fucks up and loses a prisoner or cash turns up missing, you know the department will hammer them. So it's only fair they be compensated for taking on the additional responsibilities.
Hope a positive ruling comes down for us as long as it applies to the bid po on the desk, not the ones that dont want to work the street and talk the bosses into working the desk
Good for them!
They are doing the work of a CAPTAIN.
I hope this will impact the P.O.s and the Lieutenant's case for working Out of Grade even if they have to sue.
Watch for McFuckeverything up to try to change things to keep running everything on the cheap.
The po grievance for desk Sgt is a loser according to someone familiar with the case. Logic is a sgt has never been a watch commander/DSS prior to this. A Po has been a desk Sgt when there wasn't one available. So its not beyond the scope of duty for a Po to be a desk Sgt in the past.
Here's the code sentence that guarantees one making sergeant. "It's for the children." Don't tell anyone.
Well played, SCC.
I can't wait for the next fop meeting. Sept 17 at noon, I do believe.
Regarding Plienes ....
So please tell me why did Shields and the FOP fire him?
You'll find out soon enough. Some of the old FOP regime is sweating right now regarding a certain attorney let go for overbilling etc etc. Some believe they were in cahoots. Some say this is why they sabotaged the Prez, for sniffing around the $$$$ issues at the lodge and wanting to get to the bottom of things. Questions on how the money was spent and on who and what seems to have rattled the old regime. What are they trying to hide?? And did they torpedo Mikey for checking into things when they all should've been on the same team? Questions questions.
Call the FOP and see if they will file a grievance for deal PO's doing sgts job ! Let me know what Mickey Mouse says !
This is great news. And I signed up for the Sergeant's test. That means that I will get lieutenants pay when I am the DSS. I already bought my new Sergeant’s uniform. Yes, that is right, I am a “doer” with a “can do attitude.” I am going places on this job.
Don't be a don'ter
Yeah, Pleines is working for the PBPA. Tell us what a great job he did in your contract negotiations. Wait, you already did. You voted the thing down overwhelmingly.
On a side note, your slip is showing. You must be a sergeant as you referred to "our members". Getting a bit sloppy in covering your tracks, no?
Well dumbass, seeing as how that's Jim Ade's letter to the sergeants (see his name at the bottom?) that was forwarded to us by one of our many sergeant readers, we'd have to say you aren't making detective any time soon.
Asshat.
As a Sgt for for 17+ years, I say good for them! I never wanted to be the DSS because I personally can't stand sitting inside, but to those who have, congratulations! You deserve every penny you get!
Maybe you can take a nice little trip compliments of 9.5 and McJackass!
You guys act like this extra pay is big. It is not such a big deal. Take a look at how many more exempts as X/O What do they do? take more money from the pension from doing nothing. All sgts will get back pay now do a grievance that it should be on your pension.
Do the math more exempts since we cut capt. Gotta love it the exempts are more and we pay more. wanna get promoted get a guy!
Yeah, Pleines is working for the PBPA. Tell us what a great job he did in your contract negotiations. Wait, you already did. You voted the thing down overwhelmingly.
On a side note, your slip is showing. You must be a sergeant as you referred to "our members". Getting a bit sloppy in covering your tracks, no?
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Hey moron did you actually see the contract portion for the Sgts. We had to give up nothing. Gained several huge changes to bids. And has a nice consistent raise. It was a good contract. The only reason it didn't pass is because Tiny Dancer and Ade attached a seperate pension package and made it an all or nothing deal. So go back to you beat car and answer that domestic because you will obviously never get promoted. Enjoy that no retro asshat. Probably voted for Shields too.
Signed a Sgt with retro and a Dss check coming.
Anonymous said...
The po grievance for desk Sgt is a loser according to someone familiar with the case. Logic is a sgt has never been a watch commander/DSS prior to this. A Po has been a desk Sgt when there wasn't one available. So its not beyond the scope of duty for a Po to be a desk Sgt in the past.
8/31/2013 12:02:00 PM
Tell your buddy he doesn't have a fuckin' clue will ya? Up and until this bullshit was instituted, all PO's working as the desk sergeant were instructed to put in an out of grade slip to be paid as such. Any fucking fool who didn't was exactly that, a fucking fool.
Where the fuck do these idiots spring from anyway?
Jim Ade you're full of shit. Award my ass. You and Pleines put on a sham arbitration hearing that nobody could attend. The so-called award is gonna be a behind the scenes agreement after your negotiated deal went down the shitter. How do you even look at yourself in the mirror everday? You should consider tendering your resignation. Maybe that punk Shields would take your cue.
I hope this will impact the P.O.s and the Lieutenant's case for working Out of Grade even if they have to sue.
Sue? Its a contractual issue, thats why you have a union and an arbitrator
I was under the impression that the individual po files a grievance with the union and they decide what to do and how far that will take an individual grievance. The FOP has a grievance committee that decides what action the FOP will take on a grievance. The FOP does not file a grievance on every case
Now fop should begin a suit involving pos on the desk doing sgt s duties . Keep em coming!
The FOP doesn't file a suit. That is a court action. They file a grievance that is heard by an arbitrator
SCC said...
Yeah, Pleines is working for the PBPA. Tell us what a great job he did in your contract negotiations. Wait, you already did. You voted the thing down overwhelmingly.
On a side note, your slip is showing. You must be a sergeant as you referred to "our members". Getting a bit sloppy in covering your tracks, no?
Well dumbass, seeing as how that's Jim Ade's letter to the sergeants (see his name at the bottom?) that was forwarded to us by one of our many sergeant readers, we'd have to say you aren't making detective any time soon.
Asshat.
8/31/2013 04:18:00 PM
As usual SCC another idiot put in their place, wonder if they are taking a promotional exam? As we all know the identity of SCC is " the spirits of the air, the conscious of your soul, the life and experience of CPD"
SCC is the place we can come to share information, have some laughs, mourn our fallen, pray for our injured, and most of connect with brothers and sisters of CPD!
People have many thoughts on the human face of SCC some say its a guy at midway airport, still others say SCC is retired, others still believe he/she/them are a boss! Bottom line SCC is for us and as a veteran copper 28 years, retiring next year all I want to say is thank you to the human face, thanks for all you dedication, and time, may God bless you and whoever does this for us,
After reading the attitude displayed by some on this particular thread, the "us vs them" mantality is fully warranted and with good reason.
>>>Anonymous said...
I hope this will impact the P.O.s and the Lieutenant's case for working Out of Grade even if they have to sue.
Sue? Its a contractual issue, thats why you have a union and an arbitrator
8/31/2013 08:11:00 PM<<<
The arbitrator ruled against the Lieutenants. (I wonder what money changed hands.) So the next step may be to sue the bastards.
8/31/2013 02:52:00 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
This is great news. And I signed up for the Sergeant's test. That means that I will get lieutenants pay when I am the DSS. I already bought my new Sergeant’s uniform. Yes, that is right, I am a “doer” with a “can do attitude.” I am going places on this job.
Don't be a don'ter
8/31/2013 03:18:00 PM
________________
I am not a don'ter! I am a doer with a plan.
1. Wish it
2. Want it
3. Get it
That is why I signed up for the test. I already bought my white shirts; and I bought a management book at Barnes and Noble. Do you want to know why?
I did these things because I am proactive. I am a doer with a positive attitude.
Tell your buddy he doesn't have a fuckin' clue will ya? Up and until this bullshit was instituted, all PO's working as the desk sergeant were instructed to put in an out of grade slip to be paid as such. Any fucking fool who didn't was exactly that, a fucking fool.Where the fuck do these idiots spring from
Oh so what you are saying was that in the past Before the elimination of the desk Sgt a po was the desk Sgt sometimes. So that means it was not beyond the scope of duties for a Po to be he desk Sgt. Therefore there should be no compensation if its in your scope of duties. However a Sgt was never a watch commander therefore that was beyond there scope of duties. That is why their grievance won and the Pos will lose.
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