EXAMSCAM - the Movie
Many of the younger readers will have seen/heard passing references to "ExamScam," the notorious cheating scandal that should have rocked the Department to its foundations. In it, it was conclusively proven that people who used the phrase "Notify the Watch Commander," a phrase that appeared nowhere in the study material were promoted to lieutenant at a rate that could only be called "statistically impossible." Former NBC investigative reporter Peter Karl brought massive amounts of heat on the Daley administration until mysteriously falling silent and landing a highly paid gig as the CAPS spokesman.
Here are the clips from NBC, presented as a compilation for, as far as we can tell, the first time:
A lot of decent, intelligent people lost a shot at promotion due to these shenanigans. There were the usual accusations of people having access to the answers or studying the actual test, but the Oral Boards and accompanying videos were damning (and painfully amazing) in their audacity. It called into question pretty much all promotions that ever occurred under Shortshanks and the echoes still reverberate today with "meri-clout-orious" promotions, entire teams scoring within mere fractions of one another, and certain office people working for "subject matter experts" scoring near perfect on exam after exam.
Sgt. John Northen put this together and is taking questions via e-mail - you can find details at his blog linked here. In light of the city finally offering a promotional exam for the first time in seven years, this is timely info that ought to keep a spotlight on the process that is too easily corrupted in this most corrupt of cities.
Labels: promotions, scandals
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
175 Comments:
Thank you just watched it, and it will be the same on the upcoming test nothing will ever change in this corrupt city!
Again, all at the hands of a Daley!
Hope the guys who study hard and do not get promoted don't beat themselves up. You have to know going in that it isn't a fair process. Just like fighting a lawsuit, know you're gonna get fucked.
I guess you could say it's another example of 'the Chicago way'. It's enough to make good men weep.
Is anybody actually shocked by this shit? Was anybody actually under the illusion that these promotional exams were ever fair and honest? Do you really believe that this upcoming sergeant exam is going to be 100% legitimate? There's already people out there with the answers to the second part of the exam while the rest of you are studying 800 pages of general orders. I've said this before and I'll say it again. 30% merit, 30% given the answers, 30% allowed into special study groups, the rest get to fight over the last 10% of the spots. So if 200 are promoted, you're competing with about 6000 other candidates for 20 spots. LOL... you might as well go buy yourself some scratch offs with the registration fee and spend the two Saturdays with your family.
daley is a pigs ass and continues to show it.
I could list 815,490 reasons why C.A.P.S. works but I'm not allowed to talk about it because of a confidentiality agreement I have with the City of Chicago.
Would I lie?
Georgas and Kennedy. Two pukes who did nothing but worked for Mauer. Enough said.
The more things change the more things remain the same.
Look, let's face the facts. The study material is about 1200 pages. That is for part one. Most pass part one. Then for part two you are looking for two thousand pages to study.
They can ask you any question from those two thousand pages. Mysteriously some people who just happen to be related to the big bosses do very well. That is the way it's been since God knows when. I remember how Phil Cline's entire security detail did stellar on the Sgt. test. It made me sick to my stomach.
In all honesty if you can't save some money based on what we are making, then you are foolish with your money. By all means be proactive and start a business. Get ahead in life and secure your financial future.
I am studying hard for the exam. I know that some have the answers. But it won't stop me from studying hard.
10/02/2013 01:12:00 AM
If the city was serious about the exam, then here is what they would do. A third party vendor would create an exam and handle everything. No member of the department or the city would have any say in it and can not even take a peek into it. What we need is an action like the Shakman decree to make the promotional process fairer for everyone.
hmmmm....last lts exam they gave the oral part TWICE....and there was an outside agency administering----guess the special folks needed another chance to give their secret answers
I recall the self proclaimed smartest man on the Chicago Police Department failed to make the cut and therefore was not promoted.
He then showed his arrogant ass and did not have the previous First Deputy, Jemilo, around to protect him and was dumped to a District.
If I recall the interviews were taped and when the Judge reviewed same he indicated that the test was fair.
Mickey then whined even more, too bad!
OT - Illinois Supreme Court calls Cook County Circuit Court into the principal's office...
Editorial: The Supreme Court serves notice
Illinois Supreme Court Chief Justice Thomas Kilbride, in a Sept. 26 letter, has called for Chief Judge Timothy Evans, County Board President Toni Preckwinkle, State's Attorney Anita Alvarez, Sheriff Tom Dart, Public Defender Abishi Cunningham and court administrator Michael Tardy to meet with the members of the state Supreme Court. The purpose: frank talk about the operations of the criminal courts.
http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-77627205/
Thank you for showing those videos.
When you realize that EVERY test given by Chicago in the last 50 years was just as corrupt is it any wonder the city is in its current state of confusion?
People from our department went into seclusion and came up with the questions. Do you really think they didn't say anything.
Promotions are much too important to allow being trusted to a test!
What about the entire tact team from 008 that made it? Look at Richie scotch breath yep he's a lt fit to be it? Lol yep ok legit!
And the problem still persists. I've been trying to get the score for my last two sergeant exams to no avail. I was told I would have to bring a lawsuit against the city.
On the last sergeants' exam, I know of a couple of people who were "close" to former deputy S.P. and low and behold, these female officers are sergeants today.
Then there was the last lieutenants exam, where a very high percentage of sergeants connected to Capt. J.D. got promoted. One of them was even allowed to take the exam at home and have it proctored by the same captain, who had a role in forming the exam.
I have no confidence in the upcoming sergeants' test, also. The connected, the friend of a friend, etc., will somehow or someway get promoted. This time I have no delusions thinking that the test will be fair, or that I will get back my test results.
There is very little that is fair or right with the city and the department. Everything is some version of a scam and everything will continue to be a scam in Chicago, the most corrupt city in the country.
"Look, let's face the facts. The study material is about 1200 pages. That is for part one. Most pass part one. Then for part two you are looking for two thousand pages to study.
They can ask you any question from those two thousand pages. Mysteriously some people who just happen to be related to the big bosses do very well. That is the way it's been since God knows when. I remember how Phil Cline's entire security detail did stellar on the Sgt. test. It made me sick to my stomach.
In all honesty if you can't save some money based on what we are making, then you are foolish with your money. By all means be proactive and start a business. Get ahead in life and secure your financial future."
LOL with you on this one. When I looked at your comment I though I had written and forgot I posted it! Funny I told my partner the same thing.
I love Joan Esposito.
Only test I plan on taking is det. No way do I want to be a supervisor... Sgt does not look appealing, is pretty much a bad dead end. Id be in charge of mopes like me, would end up on mids in the ghetto due to not having any clout. At least as a det I'd get to do a job I'd actually like!
all you have to do is work for a boss at 35th and think your entitled to be a merit pick....
just wait till 9.5 steals our pensions!!!!
Back in the 70's when I first got passed over for Sgt. and complaints were made about the exam, Federal Judge Prentice Marshall said "I don't care if they arm wrestle for the job".
I also remember a guy testified in federal court he paid a west side alderman 5 grand to make Sgt, and 5 grand to make Lt.
Other than that it is legit.
Anonymous said...
You want to see crazy? Apparently there was drama at 019 day desk and female po tells a male sgt to "grow a pair". The male sgt is so hurt and crushed by this that he writes her up. The on the spot punishment handed out by XO gay mustache? He bans the female po from entering into the 019th district building! That's right she now has to work at the area due to the ban, I guess she can't pick up her check or go to her locker either. 019 spiraling down hill run by bitches
9/30/2013 02:14:00 PM
Maybe this stupid female po should keep her fucking mouth shut to a sgt. Who the fuck does she think she is? Nothing but female officer with some time on . News flash your just a p.o.
9/30/2013 04:07:00 PM
That's correct. No matter how stupid a sergeant is (and believe me, this particular sergeant is not only stupid, but a jerk, too), you can't be insubordinate. It'll get you in trouble.
To the dumbass that said the female PO should file a
grievance; she has no basis for one. She fucked up. Period. Besides, she's not exactly a model employee. Her sister works at the area and is practically her twin. They are cut from the same cloth and that's not a compliment.
All you young coppers (and veterans, apparently!!!) out there need to understand that no matter how much time you have on the job and how much you think you know, or how stupid your boss may be, that you can't belittle him/her. Respect the rank. That doesn't mean that you should allow ANY supervisor to talk down to you, though.
Be smart and stay safe, Y'all.
ot , 17 year old baby daddy beats his 4 month old son to death , continues to play video games
where's father flegher, rev al dullton , revrun king of beers jj sr , eric holdem , barry Obama
no comments , small article in paper , nothing on news
not identified as an honor student
no race mentioned , not necessary
Please name those that were promoted because of this.
OT - On Saturday I heard a new story on WBBM about a class action (four coppers) about a fifth getting extra study help on department time. The story also includes that certain clergy were also given the exams before the test. I can't find info on the lawsuit from any other sources.
the City learned their lesson and destroys the answer books at the end of the scoring.
Former NBC investigative reporter Peter Karl brought massive amounts of heat on the Daley administration until mysteriously falling silent and landing a highly paid gig as the CAPS spokesman.
everybody's got a price, eh Peter?
Mayor Daley said politics and police don't mix. Hahahahahahaha. Good one.
Georgas and Kennedy. Two pukes who did nothing but worked for Mauer. Enough said.
10/02/2013 03:12:00 AM
more to it than that. K's dad was a Commander too. he did some dastardly stuff. Documented here. That is how you get a head. Step over other people.
It's political boys. Get rid of the machine and quality will be promoted over other factors. Oh, and FOP is currently a political machine too.
Anonymous said...
Again, all at the hands of a Daley!
10/02/2013 12:38:00 AM
Not totally true. Harold was mayor when this test was developed and the first couple parts were given.
Daley came along after the list was posted, but he refused to do anything about it.
Bash daley all you want, but the test was given in 1987 and he was elected mayor in 1989. Maybe this should be laid on Harold/Sawyer and Rice/LeRoy.
I wonder who is in Georgas' secret study group this time around.They all made Sgt. last time!! Don't worry, It's all legit. Study hard.
At the 4:29 mark in the Channel 5 exposé video. Jim Esposito and four black sergeants are briefly seen standing in front of their assigned 5th District. In my letter to Daley, check out "THE ADMINISTRATIVE CLUSTER" where 34 of 36 "administrative" sergeants made the top of the ExamScam list. The likelihood of such success is less than one in an astronomical 13,800,000,000,000. See ¶D-"THE ADMINISTATIVE CLUSTER".
Of all CPD units and based on the first two legit components ("the X list") without the RIGGED "Oral Board", 5th District patrol supervisors had the highest percentage of legit high scores city-wide. All five of those sergeants should have been promoted to lieutenant. All five FAILED ExamScam.
Multiple choice exams should be scored immediately on scene by Scantron. Any time the CPD uses a subjective process, CLOUT is afoot with red flags and flashing neon signs. In both ExamScam and the current "MERIT" system, there is a common denominator. Clouted brass perpetuate CLOUT by choosing favorites, regardless of qualifications or lack thereof. Also note that the City adamantly refuses to publish a categorical and unequivocal written definition of criteria which constutes their standards of so-called "merit". WHY? (chirping crickets)
THE JOB IS AS CROOKED AS A CORKSCREW. You want to get promoted? Study my ass! It's all politics, cronyism, nepotism, cash bribery and sexual favors. Even the most qualified candidates need CLOUT.
If any promoted doofus ever tells you to "study harder next time", bitch slap the sanctimonious prick. It's all bullshit.
Just like the dicks test when they said there was cheating in men's room on breaks. Unfortunately I scored in top 10%. The then made everyone equal with a pass fail score. Then the special order (around 1995) that stated that all future test takers had to have a college degree. That to was scrapped when they saw the racial makeup up college grads. Oh we'll, as the wife said " it wasn't meant to be". Not so old retired guy.
Can I get an event number?
People who cheat usually aren't smart enough to cover their tracks. Case in point here. They may be promoted, but, the stink and shame can't be hidden, or washed off. Forever shamed. "A clear conscious is the softest pillow".
Citizen post
I remember the "exam-scam" bumper stickers.All you guys got hosed.
Still, let this not deter any of you Officers from taking any exam.
Give it your best shot.
Can't win the pot if you don't ante up...even with a stacked deck, you still have a chance.
Good Luck.
Georgas and Kennedy. Two pukes who did nothing but worked for Mauer. Enough said.
10/02/2013 03:12:00 AM
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C'mon, give S.G. credit where credit is due. He put in the necessary time as a foot man walking around Michigan Ave. which obviously gave him the advantage in developing successful crime strategies that gave the edge necessary to help carry him to the gold star rank .
My nieces husbands brothers x wifes stepson has the printing contract for the big test. See how easy that is? Gotta go pick up the white shirts now on the way to the bar. STUDY,STUDY,STUDY.
Is this the same guy who produces all of those lame streaming videos they make us watch in roll call? The credits at the end reference "Karl Productions". Any coincidence that he is now paid by the city to make training videos just after doing an expose on the illegitimate promotional practices here in chicago? Doesn't surprise me at all. God could this town be anymore corrupt?
MWRD POLICE:
To 4:12 am. Its worser in the district with family members scoring in the 90% range. Its not just yall its all over cook county. Study your ass off a year in advance and person dumber than shit (our product) passes with flying colors. Thanks to daddy clout.
Remember my statement from a year ago. CLOUT RULES
People on life support with no brainwaves can function better than a clout bitch.
SCC
Here we go again . .
Alderman Carothers..
fresh out of the federal penitentiary wants to run for a county board seat!!
Un-fucken' real !!
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/clout/chi-convicted-exalderman-carothers-seeking-cook-county-board-seat-20131001,0,327156.story
Northen lost his mind over this, and he is absolutely correct in what he says. I took the Lieutenant's exam that triggered all this and it was a "Masterful" show! They brought in bosses from other cities to sit on a board with one boss from Chicago and somebody from personnel. You went in for the interview, but unless you were an insider, you did not know to use the answer: "Notify the Watch Commander." Nobody, and I mean Nobody ever really investigated this outrage against the Sergeants and their families. I know a Sergeant with a law degree who failed, and he had studied for months. While a Sgt. with a GED, who was active in the Irish Heritage Center passed in the first class. A generation of Sergeants had their spirit and morale shattered by that test. I am retired now, and doubt that it will happen again, because Rahm cares so little about the Police Department that his only concern is about the highest ranking policy makers. Sergeants and Lieutenants mean little to the new "Da Boss". As for Daley, I hope that Chunk of Shit burns in hell for what he did to the Police and the City as a whole. Yet, his corruption to this day goes unpunished, Burge took the fall for the evil of Daley.
It can be done....gotta play there rules and dirtier.
"Georgas and Kennedy. Two pukes who did nothing but worked for Mauer. Enough said."
add to it that Kennedy's old man was a boss in hbt and mauer's drinking buddy
yeah, its all legit
the sad thing is these guys actually believe they are entitled to these spots
What year was this?
Is it now "Notify the District Station Supervisor"?
Raises the question, how does the CPD keep convincing the majority of hair gels that THEIR test will be the only one that's 100% legit ? My vote, self-delusion, ego and/or arrogance
If only Northside's results, as related to the promo process, were as good as his research
And That is were it ends..... nothing was ever done.....
Back around 1995 the Chicago Fire Department "lost" a test to promotion to Lieutenant, forcing a "do over". And to this day not a single person has been held responsible. Shortly thereafter Commissioner Orozco appeared on a news conference and stated that promotional and entrance examinations would be held more frequently and done more transparently.
The last and most recent test for the promotion to rank of Lieutenant took four (4) YEARS to grade.
im taking the test. I haven't studied. I figure I have just as good of a chance passing by not studying than wasting 4+ hours a day studying
I am taking a proactive approach and I am studying for the test. I have a positive attitude and I look at the glass as half full. You guys have to learn how to lift yourselves up by your boot straps. Instead of blaming other people for your failures, look in the mirror.
This is the sort of thing that makes me glad to work for a Southern agency with minimal politics and corruption. (Of course, we have Eric Holder looking at us for any perceived indiscretion, but you can't win 'em all.)
Shortshanks legacy !!!
Dear diary, today work was great! It was unlike most days in 019 which are icky and bad. Today I went to work and did not have to see that rock chested XO M.R. Who intimidates me solely with his mustache and that look he gives me which clearly says "why am I not drinking?" Anyhoo... I did not actually see that man but I'm sure one of his minions was watching me. The pressure here is getting to me! I am working 99 again because there are not enough people to work with me and we know how dangerous that is. My god when I drove in there was a man in a dress glaring at me! And the officers in 007 think they have it rough! But enough of that for now, I proceeded to check out a book of Parkers that I never intend to use, but it looked good. I then went to 7-11 and went right to the magazine section and read the books about guns because that's what good cops do! At some point they tried to give me a job but I told them I was on a mission so they gave the job to someone else. From there I went to the gas pumps and saw a guy I went to the academy with from 020. We both spoke of our war time in 015 for our training cycles before we deservedly headed "up north". We gave each other the warriors handshake and hug before we went back to our own personal hells of patrolling alone. From the gas pumps I stopped at area north and took a personal. Those gang guys were talking about hitting a dope spot in 024 after their hair gel dried and they looked at me all hard as I went to the potty. One of them had tattoos and really looked tough, I may have peed on myself a little. From there I went to Rose Angeli's and took my lunch, good food but I did miss out on the Cabernet I usually have off duty. Thank god I was on lunch because it sounds like there was a barking dog call down the block that I probably would have had to take if I was available. From lunch I went to the bank lot and read my issue of Cosmo, I might be a man but there are such good tips in that mag! They gave me a job, I had to go relieve one if the mayors detail cars so they could pee... Why did they pick me? I'm all alone, what if Al Quaeda comes for the mayor while I'm there? Lucky for me the officers there dogged it going to the bathroom, and there was no terrorist attack at Rahms house so I made it to my second personal and went to Dunkin donuts. Now I don't even like donuts but it's what the real police do! So I sat in the parking lot until they tried to give me a traffic crash and I then went down on my personal instead. After that it was just a matter of holding myself down on foot patrol and return my cruiser. That man in a dress was still there on my way home and still looked right at me as I passed. I think he made me as a cop even though I had my baseball jersey over my uniform. I hope the tact guys mess with him tonight he looked like he might go drink in public later. Until tomorrow diary
019tg district dog
ONLY IN CHICAGO...
EXAMSCAM: The Worst Police Promotion Scandal in U.S. History
And the City COVER-UP Continues...
It's "the Chicago Way!"
I thought John Northern retired.
it isnt just in chicago see who melrose park police promoted to deputy chief and you will want to make a movie called dumb dumber and dumbest part 2
for all of you who live on the northwest side i say forget about it all promotions going to the 11th and 19th ward
Another bit of History...
Around the same era, a detective's test was also administered.
The 'feel good' difference with THIS test as compared to ALL others in the past, was that when you turned in your test at the end, it was electronically scored in your presence and your score was given to you at that time.
Back then, it was unheard of to 'appear' to level the playing field.You were given back your test page and booklet to challenge/compare questions and answers.
Although there was the typical 'clout' promotions that appear on every test, many were made in rank order because of this scoring notice.
But again, one did not know the 'score' of the clouted members but that was as close to legit that I've seen in my forty years OTJ.
There is NO reason that that semblance of legitimacy could not be employed on all future testing.
An 'INSTANT' electronic posting of all the scores in rank order are possible with an individual print-out to every participant upon leaving the testing site is an easy task in this day/age.
I'm NOT so naive to think that clout is dead, but this would be a start toward legitimacy and go a long way to build morale.
And then I woke up.
Good Luck to all participants.
Stay safe!
Ol' vet (ret)
not only cline but the little off spring as well. Honor gentlemen its not just a word in a dictionary. And everyone sees the lack of it in some family names how embarassing.
Approx. 5,000 people singed up for the test. Good Luck to everyone taking it.
God. I wish we had the Internet back then. Same old, same old though.
First the bosses rigged it. Now they decide by "merit", whatever that means. One thing for sure. It isn't real merit. They still pick whoever they damn well please, the rest be damned.
Retired sgt. who should have made lt.
Like the testing lady said in the TV piece, it's got to be objective. Anything this city does subjective is certain to be corrupted. I've got a few years left. Anybody that has anything going for them should avoid this job like it's cancer. It will never change. New recruits have to be real losers or crazy. Great job, Northside.
Clout City at its worst.
We know.........
It WAS NOT A MISTAKE.
Phone calls made.....
Phone calls evaluated.....
Answers checked for some.....
Not for others.
Simple.
My question is how did all those sgt's make sgt's. oh let me guess it was legit when they took the test. Give me a break, on this job all you have to do is dig a little and you will find out where all these promoted sgt's and lt's either are related too or worked for other bosses! The Chicago way.
What ever happened to the scandal around a certain captain JRD who was a subject matter expert (read had an advanced copy of the test) who had a private study group of hand picked female Sgts? The study (the test) group was held at her house and the group ONLY went over the test questions. These same females are now a Lt (soon to be Capt) in 015 P.C., a Lt in 014 M.L., a commander in 015, a commander in 010, and a former Commander of 014 (L.F.)
That's one hell of a study group!!!! Problem is each and every one of them is a laughing stock and all are hated by the troops.
One of these special study group students even got to take the Lt test from her hospital bed with a proctor. Guess who the proctor was???? That's right, the same JRD who held the "secret study group" It no wonder that she scored #2 on the list.
Where is the outrage over this????
Same shit happened on the last lieutenants' test!!!
It will be a waist of about 99 percent of the regular guys or girls time. But being positive, good luck.
Welcome to the City that works for someone else.
To those studying hard for the sergeant's exam, keep on studying hard. If that is your goal, if you study hard, you will make it to the list. You may not be on the first 50 or even 100, but you may be 101 to 400 and will eventually make sergeant. The insiders and people with clout will surely get the highest score, but you can't control that. What you can control is that if you study hard, you'll be on the list.
OT I was working VRI in 025 last night when I heard something on the radio that I haven't heard in a while. Great police work and great team work.
There was a hit/run accident involving a tow truck vs pedestrian that was on-viewed by a VRI car and it seemed like the entire 1st watch of 025 responded to help with the scene and the eventual apprehension of the offender. There was even a supervisor on the air doing what a supervisor is supposed to do, give clear and decisive direction. Good job 025 1st watch.
Nothing will ever change in is city. Hell you dont need to give the answers any more just tell those in the know what 5-10 GO's they need to know it's like a defacto "notify the watch commander" secret word. With all the orders, general order, special orders, blah blah blah , they overwhelm you with so much to study it would take you 2 yrs to really know the material but just tell those who are connected to know certain orders because that the make or break part of the test. The merits know they are in before they even sign up for the test, the next level of connected are told to study certain orders so in essence the city can make over 50% of who they want and leave 20-30 % as window dressing. The one Sgt. in the video was Ed O'Rielly retired form 023 with 40 yrs on and still a Sgt. Remember like the posters say " earned not given".............
I feel so sorry for the number of people who paid big bucks to either the Bernstein or Brad Woods study groups. Statistically, you are not going to make it! You should have saved your money. Bernstein reads the general order to you. Woods highlights what he thinks is important. Your best bet is to get a small group together and break down the study materials. Then assign everyone to summarize and write up notes and create flash cards of important concepts. Plus it won't cost you several hundred dollars.
if you really think you have a shot on promotional exams,anywhere,you need a good proctologist.
legit and Chicago cannot be used in the same sentence.
Peter Karl produces some of the lamest crap for the department . Poorly filmed, ill executed crap on celluloid roll call videos that look like they were put together in ten minutes . Every one walks out of roll call when they turn them on while he gets paid 800, 000 dollars ?. Should be open to competitive bid. Get some quality and save the city some money. He has been mailing it in for years . :-Q
If veth failed the test it must have been effective none the less.
Ok SCC, heard that the city and PBPA are going to take away all the district bid sgts. and rebid citywide, all districts, and those Sgt.s will be new district bid holders. Looks like JA from PBPA and Rahm are looking to stick it to the sgts for shooting down that bs contract. This should completely throw all districts up for grabs. There is no wording or language to do this but this is based on perceived interpretations by JA and Cmdr Oneil MSLA. By the way they are personal friends outside of the job so I can see this possibly happening. All incumbent district bid sgts. will have to rebid, wow, will this happen after watch bids? Because watch bids have to be kept after successfully bidding for them. So in theory can you have 15 sgts. bid into a district successfully and all them having 2nd watch bids from their respective districts from whence they came. I can see it now, 2nd watch in 001 with 15 sgts. This could be a real circus act to watch. If they can do it with PBPA can they do it with FOP? Can they rewrite district staffing levels then have a citywide bid thereby reducing the manpower in so called slower districts and thus filling westside and south side districts with officers who would normally be in north side districts due to their prior bidding and or assignments? Can the department say they only need 250 officers in 019 not the 300 they have now and reassign the 50 to other districts? What if 020,024,017,016,019,018,001, have their staffing levels reassessedandd lowered, where would the surplus officers go? A citywide rebid could possibly achieve this. I would not put this past Cmdr DO to write up such a policy, after all he back doored the Lt.s to get a Cmdr star, what will he do for a higher spot?
A certain 011 District Tac Team comes to mind, with M.C.., his partner M.S., and all but one of the others all making Sgt. Smartest Tac team ever. Test must have been loaded with rock pinch questions.
To the person who said he/she is studying hard, even though you know some people have the answers. Good luck to you. I'm not taking it because I honestly have no desire to be a sergeant. I wish the best to all of you who study hard for it. Please don't forget that you were once a blue shirt when you make it.
"To those studying hard for the sergeant's exam, keep on studying hard. If that is your goal, if you study hard, you will make it to the list. You may not be on the first 50 or even 100, but you may be 101 to 400 and will eventually make sergeant. The insiders and people with clout will surely get the highest score . . . "
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Actually, my phone-call/clout was Alderman Burke.
All he did for me was get me to around 440 on the 1998 sergeant's exam. However it was good enough to get promoted in 2001.
I since retired.
If you can't beat 'em , join 'em.
NO ONE is going to change how Chicago works.
Is it fair? No. Does it happen? Yes. O.k. That's out of the way. If you don't have any pull or test answers, get studying. You have to beat out some very smart people if you wish to make Sgt. Impossible? No, but you won't make it if you give it 97%. You'll have to give it your all. Good Luck
The whole city is this way and has been for the more than a century. Why does anyone think the PD would be exempt?
As an entity, it is just as corrupt as the rest of the city, and always has been.
if you look hard enough you can find some decent human beings who work for the city in every department, but mostly it is hacks who got their jobs and especially promotions based solely on political influence.
Northen lost his mind over this, and he is absolutely correct in what he says. I took the Lieutenant's exam that triggered all this and it was a "Masterful" show! They brought in bosses from other cities to sit on a board with one boss from Chicago and somebody from personnel. You went in for the interview, but unless you were an insider, you did not know to use the answer: "Notify the Watch Commander.
Hey Sarge, Don't know which oral board you are talking about, but the Examscam boards consisted of 2 Exempts from Chicago and no one else---no outside bosses or Personnel Div. people.
This would never happen in Cook County
Dick head dart would make sure of that
Man gets life sentence after 3rd robbery conviction
Charles Fleming
Charles Fleming, 47, has been found guilty of armed robbery, kidnapping and armed violence. (Handout)
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A Kane County judge sentenced a man with a long criminal record to a life sentence in prison today following the man’s third conviction for armed robbery.
A jury this summer convicted Charles Fleming, 47, guilty of armed robbery, kidnapping and armed violence for taking two restaurant employees hostage during a holdup in 2011.
Because it was the third armed robbery conviction for Fleming, who authorities said has lived in Chicago and Elgin, he faced a mandatory life sentence, according to Kane County prosecutors. He was sentenced today by Judge John Barsanti.
Police said Fleming accosted two employees as they were leaving a closed Little Caesar’s Pizza in the 500 block of North McLean Boulevard in Elgin around 11 p.m. on Oct. 2, 2011. Fleming forced the pair back into the restaurant at gunpoint and then held them hostage for several hours, according to authorities. During that time, Fleming beat one employee with a wooden rod and fired his pistol into the floor near where one of the employees was seated, officials have said. Around 2:30 a.m., Fleming fell asleep, and the pair was able to escape and call police.
In 2000, Fleming was convicted of armed robbery and sentenced to serve a 12-year term. In 2008, he was sent back to prison following a second armed robbery conviction, authorities said.
“Mr. Fleming, a career criminal, has been permanently removed from civilized society, and our community is much safer as a result,” State’s Attorney Joe McMahon said.
Dear diary, today work was great! It was unlike most days in 019 which are icky and bad. Today I went to work and did not have to see that rock chested XO M.R. Who intimidates me solely with his mustache and that look he gives me which clearly says "why am I not drinking?" Anyhoo... blah, blah, blah, blah, BLAH!
If that was your attempt at sarcasm, you failed. You failed miserably.
Just sayin'...
To 19th dog. Thanks for the laugh today. Very good.
Anonymous said...
What ever happened to the scandal around a certain captain JRD who was a subject matter expert (read had an advanced copy of the test) who had a private study group of hand picked female Sgts? The study (the test) group was held at her house and the group ONLY went over the test questions. These same females are now a Lt (soon to be Capt) in 015 P.C., a Lt in 014 M.L., a commander in 015, a commander in 010, and a former Commander of 014 (L.F.)
That's one hell of a study group!!!! Problem is each and every one of them is a laughing stock and all are hated by the troops.
One of these special study group students even got to take the Lt test from her hospital bed with a proctor. Guess who the proctor was???? That's right, the same JRD who held the "secret study group" It no wonder that she scored #2 on the list.
Where is the outrage over this????
10/02/2013 02:39:00 PM
Wow. A blast from the past. Captain Jan. Now retired with nothing to do. This is the classic case of a secret study group and she was the proctor? Talk about a personal interest. They were close friends and Captain Jan gives the test to her close friend with no one else around to monitor the test. OMG!
JRD will be doing her best to get her daughter's and their baby daddies a high score on the upcoming sergeant's test. They'll all be sergeants in no time.
JRD daughter is going to a joint CPD/FBI Cold Case Task Force. Go figure it all legit, now move along, nothing to see here folks.
Hope the guys who study hard and do not get promoted don't beat themselves up. You have to know going in that it isn't a fair process. Just like fighting a lawsuit, know you're gonna get fucked.
10/02/2013 01:06:00 AM
And this is why they shouldn't charge to take the test.
019th district dog...thats good stuff keep it up
The test is legit all right. The entire tact unit from the 8th district passed the Sgt. exam. Captain JRD held a special study group and all of the female Sgt. passed with flying colors for their Lt. exam. Supt. Cline's entire security detail passed with flying colors and are Sgt. Then even today in the year 2013 there are special select study groups. Need I say more?
Now you know how citizens feel.
019tg district dog
10/02/2013 12:25:00 PM
I'm curious are things really that bad in 019? If things are that bad, then please transfer to another unit so other more deserving officers can work there.
In this exam, the secret answer will be "notify the district station supervisor". Good luck for those taking the exam.
Since you are talking about Kennedy and Georgas what about the Clark siblings whose Daddy was a boss on the job. Both are so "smart" they scored in the top 20 on their Lts exam. And how about Lt Biggane, she was a Sgt in Cline's office and gave all of the office parties at her house. I think she was so "smart" she scored #1........So freakin legit, yeah right. They were all smart enough to get the answers.........lol
Anonymous said...
I am taking a proactive approach and I am studying for the test. I have a positive attitude and I look at the glass as half full. You guys have to learn how to lift yourselves up by your boot straps. Instead of blaming other people for your failures, look in the mirror.
10/02/2013 12:05:00 PM
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Yeah..we know..you are a "doer"..heard your self promotion on every thread here last week.
Go back to watching Oprah in your moms basement. We don't want to hear you hair gel wisdom..douchebag!
John, seriously...i know what happened years ago wasnt fair. But dude, you're retired! It's over. Get on with your life
Anonymous said...
To those studying hard for the sergeant's exam, keep on studying hard. If that is your goal, if you study hard, you will make it to the list. You may not be on the first 50 or even 100, but you may be 101 to 400 and will eventually make sergeant. The insiders and people with clout will surely get the highest score, but you can't control that. What you can control is that if you study hard, you'll be on the list.
10/02/2013 03:38:00 PM
Well, Ive been waiting for approx 7-8years for the detectives class. Studied my ass off, ranked near 450 on the low end and still...nuthing
To the party who is bashing Georgas and Kennedy, first get your stuff right, yes they are friends of Maurer and yes they both got promoted but they studied and went to school, say what you want but both re good bosses, Kennedy is a little more calmer and personable then Georgas but face the FACTS. Georgas hands down handled NATO, he has handled the Marathon races and has great skills, I know some people don't like him but if you work , he will back you. Plain and simple. Kennedy is an awsome boss too. Next, I worked for a boss in the building and was promoted off my earned spot on the Sgts. List, I was offered a merit spot in the class ahead of mine, but I couldn't get made merit out of the building ,so I stayed and waited for my hard earned spot. Back in the day they wouldn't promote you out of Headquarters, Don't know how it is now, !!!! Thank You and stay safe'
Today's Chicago "media" should wake up and watch this too. This is what real journalism looks like, not Kim Kardashian's new blonde locks. FU Chicago media, you're all a bunch of fuck-ups. Do some original work for the betterment of your own fucking city for once, rather than regurgitate news snippets seen ad naseum online. You are all on the way to becoming obsolete, and thank fucking god for that. Can one of you please do your job? Please? Just one? Is that asking too much?
Hey, NorthSide!
You may not realize it but you got that backstabber Karl a multimillion dollar production company deal. He couldn't care less what Idi Amin did to you. Judas Iscariot sold you out for more than 800,000 pieces of silver. Why didn't the BGA help you out? Did they get their end, Chicago-style? You fought the good fight in a pit of snakes.
If I were you, I would tell that rat pos "Ubi Est Mea?" but I hear you don't play that game. I never trust politicians, police brass and media a-holes in this town. A crack whore has more integrity. you sure are relentless. If I was a bad guy, no way I'd want you on my case. Enjoy your retirement, brother.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
What ever happened to the scandal around a certain captain JRD who was a subject matter expert (read had an advanced copy of the test) who had a private study group of hand picked female Sgts? The study (the test) group was held at her house and the group ONLY went over the test questions. These same females are now a Lt (soon to be Capt) in 015 P.C., a Lt in 014 M.L., a commander in 015, a commander in 010, and a former Commander of 014 (L.F.)
That's one hell of a study group!!!! Problem is each and every one of them is a laughing stock and all are hated by the troops.
One of these special study group students even got to take the Lt test from her hospital bed with a proctor. Guess who the proctor was???? That's right, the same JRD who held the "secret study group" It no wonder that she scored #2 on the list.
Where is the outrage over this????
10/02/2013 02:39:00 PM
Nobody cares, its the Chicago way. The Inspector General's Office was notified, they did absolutley nothing. The fix is in. In addition, Capt Barbie also had a lone male sgt. on her watch under her direction. Yup, he made it first class. Incidentally, that new Lt. was brought up on charges at the Police Board for living in the suburbs. After a convincing case, the Police Board ruled against the residency requirement, something that almost never happens. Yup, the fix was in from the beginning.
Dear diary, today work was great! It was unlike most days in 019 which are icky and bad. Today I went to work and did not have to see that rock chested XO M.R. Who intimidates me solely with his mustache and that look he gives me which clearly says "why am I not drinking?" Anyhoo... I did not actually see that man but I'm sure one of his minions was watching me. The pressure here is getting to me! I am working 99 again because there are not enough people to work with me and we know how dangerous that is. My god when I drove in there was a man in a dress glaring at me! And the officers in 007 think they have it rough! But enough of that for now, I proceeded to check out a book of Parkers that I never intend to use, but it looked good. I then went to 7-11 and went right to the magazine section and read the books about guns because that's what good cops do! At some point they tried to give me a job but I told them I was on a mission so they gave the job to someone else. From there I went to the gas pumps and saw a guy I went to the academy with from 020. We both spoke of our war time in 015 for our training cycles before we deservedly headed "up north". We gave each other the warriors handshake and hug before we went back to our own personal hells of patrolling alone. From the gas pumps I stopped at area north and took a personal. Those gang guys were talking about hitting a dope spot in 024 after their hair gel dried and they looked at me all hard as I went to the potty. One of them had tattoos and really looked tough, I may have peed on myself a little. From there I went to Rose Angeli's and took my lunch, good food but I did miss out on the Cabernet I usually have off duty. Thank god I was on lunch because it sounds like there was a barking dog call down the block that I probably would have had to take if I was available. From lunch I went to the bank lot and read my issue of Cosmo, I might be a man but there are such good tips in that mag! They gave me a job, I had to go relieve one if the mayors detail cars so they could pee... Why did they pick me? I'm all alone, what if Al Quaeda comes for the mayor while I'm there? Lucky for me the officers there dogged it going to the bathroom, and there was no terrorist attack at Rahms house so I made it to my second personal and went to Dunkin donuts. Now I don't even like donuts but it's what the real police do! So I sat in the parking lot until they tried to give me a traffic crash and I then went down on my personal instead. After that it was just a matter of holding myself down on foot patrol and return my cruiser. That man in a dress was still there on my way home and still looked right at me as I passed. I think he made me as a cop even though I had my baseball jersey over my uniform. I hope the tact guys mess with him tonight he looked like he might go drink in public later. Until tomorrow diary
019tg district dog
This was awesome!!!!
I love it 19th district dog! I look forward to you sharing your daily diary every working day.
Lt. Clark in mass transit is a great boss and a great guy. No ego and hasn't forgotten he once wore a blue shirt. He was a Lt. in my district a few years back and I always thought he was and still is a class act. He's one of the good ones.
Anonymous said...
I am taking a proactive approach and I am studying for the test. I have a positive attitude and I look at the glass as half full. You guys have to learn how to lift yourselves up by your boot straps. Instead of blaming other people for your failures, look in the mirror.
10/02/2013 12:05:00 PM
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Yeah..we know..you are a "doer"..heard your self promotion on every thread here last week.
Go back to watching Oprah in your moms basement. We don't want to hear you hair gel wisdom..douchebag!
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Yea Princess, I do not need your "30 years on the job" wisdom.
No Offense... But get a life. There's much more to life than this bullshit.
This is still occurring. The department promotes the clout heavy and politically connected officers. The test should be all scantron and you get your results before you leave the testing sight that way no one can tamper with your score.
The test is legit all right. The entire tact unit from the 8th district passed the Sgt. exam
A lot of them did - but not all -so you can't say entire
For those taking the Sgts test. The city can promote up to 30% merit. That's not what you should be concentrating on. If you don't have the clout like these fools in the 3o% - there's nothing u can do about it - pay it no mind. Why sweat over things you can't control? Put time into it and beat out the remaining 70% with no clout. It can and does happen.
Anonymous said...
JRD daughter is going to a joint CPD/FBI Cold Case Task Force. Go figure it all legit, now move along, nothing to see here folks.
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The funny thing is that none of the actual homicide dicks from my area (south) even bothered to apply for it, they had ALL domestic violence dicks apply so the FBI is getting dicks that never worked a murder so at least they and the FBI will have something in common
Study. Study. Study. I was under 200 and it took 6 years to get promoted. It can be done!
If any promoted doofus ever tells you to "study harder next time", bitch slap the sanctimonious prick. It's all bullshit.
10/02/2013 09:20:00 AM
John, By generalizing like that, you disrespect many, many of us who DID study harder the second (and maybe even the third) time.
I came in around 1300 on the first test I took. Youth and arrogance led to minimal study and several years of 'woulda, coulda, shoulda'.
The second time out, I made it my part-timer to study; two to four hours a day when the test was announced and six to eight hours a day the last month, burning two weeks of time to ensure I could study without interruption.
I made it in the second class. No clout (wish I had some, but didn't), no family on the job, no friends in high places on or off the job. No connected study groups, either.
Do NOT disrespect those of us who made it because we worked for it, or declare it simply isn't possible. Painting everyone with the same vindictive brush reeks of sour grapes and diminishes you and your cause.
Hello everyone. It is The Doer. Life is about choices. You either decide to lift yourselves up by your bootstraps or you have no one to blame but yourselves. Why not turn positives into negatives? You deserve better. So, get off your asses and do something about it.
I take a proactive approach. I already bought my white shirts. I am already spending the extra pay.
Since you are talking about Kennedy and Georgas what about the Clark siblings whose Daddy was a boss on the job. Both are so "smart" they scored in the top 20 on their Lts exam. And how about Lt Biggane, she was a Sgt in Cline's office and gave all of the office parties at her house. I think she was so "smart" she scored #1........So freakin legit, yeah right. They were all smart enough to get the answers.
The problem is no one outside the department cares. They think we are all assholes and could care less about us or our pensions which will be cut in short order. Bet on it
Anonymous said...
Look, let's face the facts. The study material is about 1200 pages. That is for part one. Most pass part one. Then for part two you are looking for two thousand pages to study.
They can ask you any question from those two thousand pages. Mysteriously some people who just happen to be related to the big bosses do very well. That is the way it's been since God knows when. I remember how Phil Cline's entire security detail did stellar on the Sgt. test. It made me sick to my stomach.
In all honesty if you can't save some money based on what we are making, then you are foolish with your money. By all means be proactive and start a business. Get ahead in life and secure your financial future.
10/02/2013 04:12:00 AM
Funny how those that knew or know PC always got promoted sit or det to include his kids tact team in 011 to name a just a few
It' all legit, trust me
We need to file a suit halting any testing and ask the G to design, administer, and score the entire test. I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is. Maybe we need to talk to our RINO Republican US Senator to work on our behalf to start the process. You know, the same way dude's mama cal s the Whitehouse asking for the G to initiate a civil rights investigation whenever the police shoot dude.
If any promoted doofus ever tells you to "study harder next time", bitch slap the sanctimonious prick. It's all bullshit.
10/02/2013 09:20:00 AM
You're correct, but not that correct. After three tests I scored barely high enough to finally get promoted in the last class off the 2001 test. And those promoted in the first class had scored over nine hundred behind me. My score was my own, as always, and I'm beholden to no one for it. For those of us on the outside we are simply competing for a fraction of the promotions made.
Jean Waugh says that all candidates were given the oral board questions on the day of the written exam. They had months to prepare their answers which says that everbody had the same answers with "notify the watch commander" as the tiebreaker.
So if 200 are promoted, you're competing with about 6000 other candidates for 20 spots. LOL... you might as well go buy yourself some scratch offs with the registration fee and spend the two Saturdays with your family.
10/02/2013 01:12:00 AM
Or you could realize that you're not going to change the corruption in Chicago, grab your study materials and try for those twenty legit spots. But you seem to rather like to bitch about shit instead. Do the best you can do and understand you can't change the rest. If you can still look yourself in the mirror, you did well. If not, we'll be seeing you in a white shirt bobbing your head next to Rahm at a press conference.
How come all of the "Merit picks" are taken from the back of the list and not the front ?
Anonymous said...
People who cheat usually aren't smart enough to cover their tracks. Case in point here. They may be promoted, but, the stink and shame can't be hidden, or washed off. Forever shamed. "A clear conscious is the softest pillow".
Citizen post
10/02/2013 09:56:00 AM
You're making the assumption that they give a shit. These people have no problem sleeping at night or looking themselves in the mirror in the morning every day that they screw someone else. They are deranged and soulless and that's who the socialists want in position.
So you keep voting for that democratic machine.
Dear diary, today work was great! It was unlike most days in 019 which are icky and bad. Today I went to work and did not have to see that rock chested XO M.R. Who intimidates me solely with his mustache and that look he gives me which clearly says "why am I not drinking?" Anyhoo... I did not actually see that man but I'm sure one of his minions was watching me. The pressure here is getting to me! I am working 99 again because there are not enough people to work with me and we know how dangerous that is. My god when I drove in there was a man in a dress glaring at me! And the officers in 007 think they have it rough! But enough of that for now, I proceeded to check out a book of Parkers that I never intend to use, but it looked good. I then went to 7-11 and went right to the magazine section and read the books about guns because that's what good cops do! At some point they tried to give me a job but I told them I was on a mission so they gave the job to someone else. From there I went to the gas pumps and saw a guy I went to the academy with from 020. We both spoke of our war time in 015 for our training cycles before we deservedly headed "up north". We gave each other the warriors handshake and hug before we went back to our own personal hells of patrolling alone. From the gas pumps I stopped at area north and took a personal. Those gang guys were talking about hitting a dope spot in 024 after their hair gel dried and they looked at me all hard as I went to the potty. One of them had tattoos and really looked tough, I may have peed on myself a little. From there I went to Rose Angeli's and took my lunch, good food but I did miss out on the Cabernet I usually have off duty. Thank god I was on lunch because it sounds like there was a barking dog call down the block that I probably would have had to take if I was available. From lunch I went to the bank lot and read my issue of Cosmo, I might be a man but there are such good tips in that mag! They gave me a job, I had to go relieve one if the mayors detail cars so they could pee... Why did they pick me? I'm all alone, what if Al Quaeda comes for the mayor while I'm there? Lucky for me the officers there dogged it going to the bathroom, and there was no terrorist attack at Rahms house so I made it to my second personal and went to Dunkin donuts. Now I don't even like donuts but it's what the real police do! So I sat in the parking lot until they tried to give me a traffic crash and I then went down on my personal instead. After that it was just a matter of holding myself down on foot patrol and return my cruiser. That man in a dress was still there on my way home and still looked right at me as I passed. I think he made me as a cop even though I had my baseball jersey over my uniform. I hope the tact guys mess with him tonight he looked like he might go drink in public later. Until tomorrow diary
The funniest comment I have ever read. Laughed for 10 minutes. Thank you.
Anonymous said...
Northen lost his mind over this, and he is absolutely correct in what he says. I took the Lieutenant's exam that triggered all this and it was a "Masterful" show! They brought in bosses from other cities to sit on a board with one boss from Chicago and somebody from personnel. You went in for the interview, but unless you were an insider, you did not know to use the answer: "Notify the Watch Commander."
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I don't know what exam you are referring to, but the controversial exam that caused the John Northen paranoia was given in 1987 and the panels consisted of a Deputy Chief and 2 Commanders, all from Chicago. First promotions were in March of 1988. Incidentally, I was in the first group promoted and never heard anything about "Notify the Watch Commander." If any of you let this discourage you from studying you are a fool. This is all ancient history, and regardless of how this test is scored and the results, has no bearing on the present.
Chicago+anything=corruption
Anonymous said...
Only test I plan on taking is det. No way do I want to be a supervisor... Sgt does not look appealing, is pretty much a bad dead end. Id be in charge of mopes like me, would end up on mids in the ghetto due to not having any clout. At least as a det I'd get to do a job I'd actually like!
10/02/2013 07:47:00 AM
Why do you feel the Det test is any more "legit" than the Sgt test?? Delusional.
Do NOT disrespect those of us who made it because we worked for it, or declare it simply isn't possible. Painting everyone with the same vindictive brush reeks of sour grapes and diminishes you and your cause.
10/03/2013 12:38:00 AM
I agree with this writer. Comments such as everyone who was promoted used clout are just plain wrong. I was burned by affirmative action/quotas in the 1973 sergeants exam which caused me to miss the 1978 lieutenants exam. I had to wait until the 1987 exam scam which left me out of the running. I did make it on the next exam along with the merit picks. I studied my ass off, my entire furlough and took three private study groups, two of which I paid for. Promotion exams in this department have always made people bitter, for various reasons. If you are not one of the in-crowd you have to have luck, a few smarts and plenty of study time,
Anonymous said...
Promotions are much too important to allow being trusted to a test!
10/02/2013 06:46:00 AM
Ya right! just use merit for promotions. That works!!
Anonymous said...
No Offense... But get a life. There's much more to life than this bullshit.
10/02/2013 10:30:00 PM
Sounds like someone who didn't make the list and is bitter!!
You want to see crazy? Apparently there was drama at 019 day desk and female po tells a male sgt to "grow a pair". The male sgt is so hurt and crushed by this that he writes her up. The on the spot punishment handed out by XO gay mustache? He bans the female po from entering into the 019th district building! That's right she now has to work at the area due to the ban, I guess she can't pick up her check or go to her locker either. 019 spiraling down hill run by bitches
9/30/2013 02:14:00 PM
The PO should be written up for disrespect. This reminds me of the time honored female practice of slapping men in the face. It went on for decades until they were arrested for battery. Some of these former hamburger flippers who are not the cops need to respect the rank even if they do not respect the person holding the rank.
Hey Sarge, Don't know which oral board you are talking about, but the Examscam boards consisted of 2 Exempts from Chicago and no one else---no outside bosses or Personnel Div. people.
10/02/2013 05:18:00 PM
Yes, correct. Only two gold stars from the department who used a check list. The magic words were on the check list. They were also on the written portion of the exam. Another key phrase was when asked what is the most important ( I am para phrasing now as I do not recall exact)tool that you need, the answer was " a pencil". You needed to say pencil, not pen to get credit.
Sickening....facts are facts, like a taped confession, this is hard to dispute. I'm sure nothing has changed. Truly sad.
Anonymous said...
For those taking the Sgts test. The city can promote up to 30% merit. That's not what you should be concentrating on. If you don't have the clout like these fools in the 3o% - there's nothing u can do about it - pay it no mind. Why sweat over things you can't control? Put time into it and beat out the remaining 70% with no clout. It can and does happen.
10/02/2013 11:05:00 PM
I think one of the points being made on this thread is the problem isn't just merit. The problem is that even after the 30 percent merit, certain blessed individuals receive the answers or a narrowed-down version of study materials and score very well. Then they tell everyone they made it "off the list." So the percentage of legit promotees is actually lower than 70 percent. That's the part that's so disheartening. I could live with 30 percent merit, but the cheaters get me down.
It is rumored that Noreen Walker also "shared" an advance copy of the test with her chosen few, all of which made sgt. near the top of the list. Before merit they just changed scores and still made who they wanted. To this day I have never seen any thing in writing regarding what qualifies someone to be promoted on merit.
Has anyone tried calling FOP for something? Damn it, no one works there, always off for something or the other and the idiots who answer have no answers to questions. Such BULLSHIT!!! I refuse to pay retiree dues unless someone does an audit on Ghost Payrolling. FUCK THEM!!!
hmmmm....last lts exam they gave the oral part TWICE....and there was an outside agency administering----guess the special folks needed another chance to give their secret answers
Explains why the questions were the same
Can't sue if you don't play
John, By generalizing like that, you disrespect many, many of us who DID study harder the second (and maybe even the third) time.
I came in around 1300 on the first test I took. Youth and arrogance led to minimal study and several years of 'woulda, coulda, shoulda'.
The second time out, I made it my part-timer to study; two to four hours a day when the test was announced and six to eight hours a day the last month, burning two weeks of time to ensure I could study without interruption.
I made it in the second class. No clout (wish I had some, but didn't), no family on the job, no friends in high places on or off the job. No connected study groups, either.
Do NOT disrespect those of us who made it because we worked for it, or declare it simply isn't possible. Painting everyone with the same vindictive brush reeks of sour grapes and diminishes you and your cause.
10/03/2013 12:38:00 AM
It is possible that you got one of the 20 or so spots left over after all of the clout babies took the rest. I'm certain you studied your ass off as did many other people that still didn't make it. Let's just be realistic about these promotional exams. 30% of the positions are sliced right off the top due to merit. How many were promoted off of the last list? 200? 300? For argument sake, let's just say it was 300. That means right off the top there's only 210 positions available for all of the non-clouted and that's assuming everything is legit, which we all know it isn't. There's usually about 5000-6000 applicants for these tests and a 1 point difference in score can separate two applicants by 200 positions. The first part of the test will be multiple choice, pass/fail, and scored on a scan tron. Most will pass that and it's really just there to justify the merit picks and weed out the total morons. The second part of the test will not be on a scan tron and will be subjected to very subjective grading by many different people who are prone to make errors. It will consist of a combination of multiple choice and essay questions. A very bad system considering that a 1 point difference can separate people by 200 positions which is enough to knock a person out of the running. The point is that every sergeant out there thinks they're a superior intellect and a harder worker who's studying hard caused them to be promoted. The fact is, they studied hard, and they got lucky. There are blue shirts on this job with PhD's and Masters degrees from real Universities that don't place high enough on the exam lists to get promoted. That should tell you how faulty the CPD exams are. I know, I know, you just studied harder than they did and your superior intellect was the clincher.
Anonymous said...
My question is how did all those sgt's make sgt's. oh let me guess it was legit when they took the test. Give me a break, on this job all you have to do is dig a little and you will find out where all these promoted sgt's and lt's either are related too or worked for other bosses! The Chicago way.
10/02/2013 02:24:00 PM
How about it.I can distinctly remember a Sgt at the time whining and sniffling about the unfairness of it all.The irony was that this guy spent most of his career as a PO parked in front of the aldermans house on a security detail.When the alderman made him a Sgt I guess this fool thought it was just a stop along the way to Superintendent.My heart really bled for him....
Gotta love the 019 Dog Diary...... " unhappy cause I'm not drinking"......classic
But seriously, what's really scary is when XO MR is home, I mean off duty drinking and then decides to call the DSS whom ever it may be and goes off on his perceived acts of disrespect directed towards him and tells the DSS to take action against the officers who allegedly disrespected him. Remember it's "earned not given".......
If I ever owned a Bull Dog, out of respect I'd call it, "Northside."
Once he sinks his teeth in, he never lets go.
(I'd drive him around in my convertible Lexus with the top down around City Hall just praying some politician would reach in to pet him.)
Notify my Dad, I mean the Supt. said...
A certain 011 District Tac Team comes to mind, with M.C.., his partner M.S., and all but one of the others all making Sgt. Smartest Tac team ever. Test must have been loaded with rock pinch questions.
10/02/2013 04:23:00 PM
oh jeez, the tac Lt was so smart he came straight from narcotics to his tact Lt spot as soon as he made Lt...yeah, he's REALLY smart. No street time necessary as a new Lt, just give him the take home car, all legit for sure...
Anonymous said...
JRD will be doing her best to get her daughter's and their baby daddies a high score on the upcoming sergeant's test. They'll all be sergeants in no time.
10/02/2013 06:18:00 PM
That is spot on!
What a worthless bunch.
Of the 116 sergeants promoted to lieutenant in the first two waves of ExamScam, only 35 or 30% could justify their promotion based on the legit X list (first two components). If you insist on the City's misuse of the undefined word "merit", a whopping 81 sergeants (70%) were passed over by clout babies who were promoted on the equivalent of "merit", Chicago-style.
A word to the wise: Then Supt. "Idi Amin Dada" described me as a "free spirit". Guilty as charged. I've been known to "march to my own drummer". However, I do not appreciate anonymous bloggers insinuating that I'm "paranoid" or "out of (my) mind". I am not only emotionally stable, I'm very litigious.
To 02:17pm
Why don't you grow a pair and say this to the officers face instead of talking shi* about them on a blog!
I tried a 12-step program. I failed.
I must accept the fact that I am an incorrigible PRESStitute.
On second thought, as I was sipping a margarita on Marco Island staring out at the Gulf, I realized that over 800,000 "pieces of silver" could buy me a new Porsche 911 Turbo, a gold Rolex, the sailboat of my dreams and even a bag of chips. Life is good.
Oh. By the way, CAPS works!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Only test I plan on taking is det. No way do I want to be a supervisor... Sgt does not look appealing, is pretty much a bad dead end. Id be in charge of mopes like me, would end up on mids in the ghetto due to not having any clout. At least as a det I'd get to do a job I'd actually like!
10/02/2013 07:47:00 AM
Why do you feel the Det test is any more "legit" than the Sgt test?? Delusional.
10/03/2013 09:10:00 AM
Original poster didn't say they thought the dicks test is more legit. Just said that's the only one he (or she) plans to take.
Hey Northside,
Was "Willie the Whale" (J.F.now deceased) made LT. from the 1987 Examscam? I know he was promoted in 1988.
He LIVED at the alderman's office on Belmont and always had his nose up his ass.
A word to the wise: Then Supt. "Idi Amin Dada" described me as a "free spirit". Guilty as charged. I've been known to "march to my own drummer". However, I do not appreciate anonymous bloggers insinuating that I'm "paranoid" or "out of (my) mind". I am not only emotionally stable, I'm very litigious.
10/03/2013 09:52:00 PM
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It was I that made the "paranoia" comment. I admit to a poor choice of words. I was not referring to you, John, but rather to the wave of paranoia precipitated by this whole thing. I have heard of your litigiousness and I freely admit that you are one of the last persons that I want to get into a "pissing" contest with. I believe that we both have better thins to do, so I am sorry that you took it the wrong way.
3:35 PM
Damn! Coffee on the keyboard again. LMAO.
This lowly bulldog wishes you all the best. (Growl...woof...woof...)
There are blue shirts on this job with PhD's and Masters degrees from real Universities that don't place high enough on the exam lists to get promoted. That should tell you how faulty the CPD exams are. I know, I know, you just studied harder than they did and your superior intellect was the clincher.
10/03/2013 01:13:00 PM
A truer statement was never made. I studied and just plain got lucky and ended up retiring as a lieutenant. Better men and women then me never got promoted and they were educated, smart and studied, not counting they were great cops. I realized this and was grateful for what I got and never looked down upon or mistreated a working police officer. I have known John Northern since the 70's at Maxwell street and I put him in the working police officer category, along with being intelligent and prepared. The promotion system just is not right, it was not right back then and it is not right now. Only the public is fooled.
Anonymous said...
I am taking a proactive approach and I am studying for the test. I have a positive attitude and I look at the glass as half full. You guys have to learn how to lift yourselves up by your boot straps. Instead of blaming other people for your failures, look in the mirror.
10/02/2013 12:05:00
Really? Check back with me in about five years and tell me where you are at in the department. I am assuming that you are not connected and could not find a politician to pay.
John N, "DADA" I forgot what he was called in the days, too funny.
Let' take the show to Broadway, you and direct and star in it. Terry can play the new DADA. He is living below poverity with all his gigs and small pension.
Keep the humor brother.
10/2; 12:05 PM
Before you fire up that doobie and run off to the land of unicorns and triple rainbows, I respectfully submit that you are either a troll or delusional.
10:05 AM
Water under the bridge, my brother. I've heard it before. Those that actually know me say that I'm "as crazy as a fox." In my heyday, I can't count the number of lovely young women who, after sharing the most intimate of moments together, told me that I'm "GOOD crazy".
10:49 PM ("Judas") LMAO!
By the way, you may recall #98 lieutenant's bribe to Beavers in "Operation Phocus". Yesterday, I eMailed the then U.S. Attorney Anton R. Valukas (now at Jenner & Block, LLC)merely requesting "WHY?" he abandoned me to "Idi Amin Dada" and his pack of wolves in my darkest hours. I know you, the reader, will understandably accuse me of being most naïve, if not downright stupid. Back then, I was quixotic enough to believe that if all else failed, the U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois would come to my rescue. "Truth, justice and the American Way" and all that bullshit. I was a damn fool. Mr. Valukas has yet to respond. Shall I hold my breath?
I wish to publicly thank Second City Cop for revealing the ugly truth about the greatest police promotion scandal in U.S. history and the ensuing COVER-UP. Damn! I wish we had the Internet back then. You can now go to the top of Google and YouTube search engines and learn what those filthy rat muthafuckas did to us. I must say this has proven to be quite a catharsis for me. However, "THE CHICAGO WAY" lives on!
Study hard, guys!
There are blue shirts on this job with PhD's and Masters degrees from real Universities that don't place high enough on the exam lists to get promoted. That should tell you how faulty the CPD exams are. I know, I know, you just studied harder than they did and your superior intellect was the clincher.
10/03/2013 01:13:00 PM
A truer statement was never made. I studied and just plain got lucky and ended up retiring as a lieutenant. Better men and women then me never got promoted and they were educated, smart and studied, not counting they were great cops. I realized this and was grateful for what I got and never looked down upon or mistreated a working police officer. I have known John Northern since the 70's at Maxwell street and I put him in the working police officer category, along with being intelligent and prepared. The promotion system just is not right, it was not right back then and it is not right now. Only the public is fooled.
10/04/2013 12:36:00 PM
You sir, sound like a lieutenant worth working for.
"Only the public is fooled."
- 12:36 PM
True. You can blame that entirely on the local mainstream media cocksuckers.
An old guy laid it out like this...
"99.5% of you guys study for the test... 0.4% study THE test... 0.1% study THE answers..."
He was speaking anecdotally but damn, he was definitely in the ballpark on the percentage of people promoted versus the number of people taking the test...
I caught this on Thee Rant. Northside mentions a woman named Susan Sher.; Is that the same one that is the top staffer for Obama's wife?
Why doesn't Chicago media expose this?
NYPD
To 019 Dist. Dog, Hilarious! You nailed it. i hope you write some more. Lol.
Bklyn North:
Yes. Susan Sher was Michelle Obama's chief-of-staff at the White House. She has since returned to the University of Chicago where two of her subordinate pals once were Mrs. Obama and Valerie Jarrett.
Chicago's City Hall "owns" local MSM.
EXAMSCAM was neither the first nor the last time police brass and their political sponsors made CPD promotions a fraud. It definitely was the most obvious and flagrant. Anything the brass touches turns to shit because of corruption.
Everyone should take the same objective exam scored immediately by Scantron. If the courts determine that there is disparate racial impact, draw the promotions in rank order from separate white, black and Hispanic lists based on the same objective scores.
They may call it performance ratings, "merit", etc. But once the city lets subjectivity enter into the scoring, it becomes a matter of cronyism, nepotism, cash bribery and sexual favors. Accomplishments in actual street police work become meaningless.
Paragraphs 4 and 5 of the EXAMSCAM EPILOGUE have been updated with additional information.
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019 district dog can come to Beatrice's any time. There is a bottle of Winking Owl Cabernet from Aldi's that someone left there about six years ago. It is all yours on the house my brother.
Better bring your own corkscrew. Beatrice threw the only one we had out after "Crabs" Corcoran attacked "Big Belly Bertucci" with it after he grabbed her ass.
"...Why doesn't the Chicago media expose this?..."
Your New York is showing!!
Now, kees me you fool!!!"
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