Detective Indicted
It would seem that the heat from parolees committing crime and boot camp being a failure is getting to the County people, so they have Anita indict a cop for a highly questionable set of circumstances:
- For the first time in more than 15 years, a Chicago police officer was criminally charged Monday in a fatal, off-duty shooting because Cook County prosecutors said he acted recklessly, opening fire over his left shoulder from inside his car into an alley occupied by at least four people.
Part of the reasoning behind the indictment is that no gun was found.
Really? We can name a few dozen instances where guns were used in crimes, then got legs and walked away in the hands or pockets of passersby on the street. Usually, someone who is about to be apprehended ditches incriminating evidence. The chances of that evidence, be it dope, a gun, burglary proceeds, an iPhone, disappearing are better than average depending on the number of people in the immediate vicinity versus the number of cops being on scene.
By the same token, does anyone think it's odd that if the police are running around, planting guns on every minority on the west and south sides, that no gun "turned up" on scene? If we're so good at putting guns on people, why didn't one turn up here? Are we suddenly incompetent at something we've been so good at for thirty or forty or more years? All those guns in our squad car trunks and we couldn't spare a single one to save a cop?
Sounds like someone wants to have their cake and eat it too.
(we make no judgement on the circumstances of the night in question. that's out of any of our hands now and in the courts. posts accusing us of taking sides or other nonsense will be deleted as usual. we don't know the circumstances and neither does any one else. if you read the linked article, the detective seems genuinely remorseful and reached out to the deceased's family members, expressing regret and sympathy for the events. it's up to them to accept or decline his explanations.)
Really? We can name a few dozen instances where guns were used in crimes, then got legs and walked away in the hands or pockets of passersby on the street. Usually, someone who is about to be apprehended ditches incriminating evidence. The chances of that evidence, be it dope, a gun, burglary proceeds, an iPhone, disappearing are better than average depending on the number of people in the immediate vicinity versus the number of cops being on scene.
By the same token, does anyone think it's odd that if the police are running around, planting guns on every minority on the west and south sides, that no gun "turned up" on scene? If we're so good at putting guns on people, why didn't one turn up here? Are we suddenly incompetent at something we've been so good at for thirty or forty or more years? All those guns in our squad car trunks and we couldn't spare a single one to save a cop?
Sounds like someone wants to have their cake and eat it too.
(we make no judgement on the circumstances of the night in question. that's out of any of our hands now and in the courts. posts accusing us of taking sides or other nonsense will be deleted as usual. we don't know the circumstances and neither does any one else. if you read the linked article, the detective seems genuinely remorseful and reached out to the deceased's family members, expressing regret and sympathy for the events. it's up to them to accept or decline his explanations.)
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posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
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Hey FOP I guess it was good that we backed that bitch Anita Alvarez for state attorney. Doesn't she have another conference to attend, she couldn't charge a police murder but she has no problem charging this case.....
For all you people applying for those concealed carry permits keep this case in your mind, because when this tragedy happens to you we will see if this idiot attorney charges you too.
Great guy...bad case
Great guy...bad case
First off you do not need to see a weapon to utilize deadly force, I'm tired of the lame stream media slandering news. I have seen it first hand of a gun growing legs and running off into the night never to be seen again after a police involved shooting, or chasing someone who pitches his jab while running from you, only to have him give up after a lookout picks it up and takes off in another direction. Someone folded like a lawn chair to indict this officer just to appease some low life store front reverend. Things like this happening will greatly impact our officers and will probably get one seriously hurt or killed because they will second guess them self. What has our world come to?
They charged the detective with manslaughter, the lowest charge for homicide. I think the state's attorney's actually believe they're doing him a favor. F - you Anita.
Anita needed to appease the beast at the expense of one of our own
I gotta be honest, when I first read this story earlier, I did think you guys would take the side of the detective. As a PO I'm not taking a side either, its a tragic situation for both sides and the detective does seem to have LOTS of remorse, and the brother still being upset is understandable but hopefully he and the family can understand one day the stress that that type of situation puts on a cop at the time of that type of hectic situation. I know there will be some coppers who object but for there to be almost 700 police shootings since the the late 90s the article said I believe and he's only the second to be charged in almost two decades, there obviously has to be some evidence that has come to light and we have to deal with that. I dont believe its because of pressure from the man who was killed in Englewood because of the cell phone. After all people ALWAYS want cops charged for shootings even when they are clearly justified and thankfully we never are. This obviously doesnt seem to be one of thos situations. Lets all just await the out come.
Ouch, I will say a prayer for the guy, I would not wanna be in his shoes on this one.
Good luck citizens. You're on your own. Im done with Chicago. You got the city u want.
Here is the number one reason you dont get involved in off duty incidents. Dont play the police off duty.And dont live in the ghetto.
Lets face it, you work in a cesspool, a sewage pit, both figuratively, in a legal sense and actually. Thankfully cold weather will lessen the stench a little bit.
Yup...
Guns have always managed to sprout little legs and run away giggling...
The people passing judgement have no fucking clue.
The air thick with screaming, crying, cursing and gun-smoke.
Heh...
Shithead vs. Shithead?
Nobody saw nuttin'...
Police vs. Shithead?
The five year old in a stroller sucking a bottle with flies kicking him in his ass to get to that man sized turd in his shitty diaper, will have it on YouTube and edited/fucked with to show how da Po-leece be "killin' up our young peoples (an' folkes too) for no reason! Now give us y'all money or else we finna be mad!"
As far as off-duty Policing?
If a muthafuckah isn't impeding your forward motion or is posing a direct threat to you and yours?
Stop feeling like you're going to save the world... Call the on-duty Police and be a professional witness for the prosecution or just phone it in and keep rolling.
Policemen have more to lose than anybody else when shit goes sour.
Especially in these areas chock full of hopeless, beyond all help, hellish, non-assimilated, death and destruction worshipping tribes warring with each other.
"TRIFE LIFE!"
Truth hurts...
These dead-end, throw-aways openly brag about how they ain't got shit to lose.
How in hell can a Policeman solve something like that?
Protect yourselves first and always. Especially in this era of Policemen having neither friends nor advocates.
I read a couple comments in the other posts about us not showing up to defend or support our own. Reason being......we are told not to stop by. We can't sit in the galley with uniforms on because we are intimidating. Judges throw us out, Asa's tell us to cover our uniforms. Yet these shitheads can do whatever they want in court when the tables are turned. What about interviewing us when it's one of our own as the victim? What about te outrage we have for the offenders? What about our side?
Oh yea we don't get a voice we deserve to be shot, beaten, stabbed and whatever else comes our way because we chose our job. Absolutely appalling the way we are treated in court when we show our support.
So the tribune mentions the detective drives a black Mercedes. Obviously that's a key point to the story (sarcasm). The tribune has never mentioned the ostentatious cars that black alderman, Phlaeger and the Revs drive in any story they've ever done about them. Very curious.
Sad day for CPD !
When is the benefit for him.
This could happen to any of us any time.
You will not walk alone in this dark journey we support
You my brother!
I was one of many cops on that scene that night and here is some advice for anyone, cop or legally armed civilian involved in a shooting on duty or off.
SHUT THE FUCK UP!
Bite your tongue and say nothing except to identify yourself and ask to see a lawyer immediately. You are suffering from shock; you are feeling dizzy and want to go to the hospital.
Do not say anything at any time until that lawyer is sitting on you lap. Continue to say nothing, unless advised to say it by the attorney.
Even days, months or years later, never say you fired shots to "KILL". Get the word "kill" out of your vocabulary. You or someone were being attacked and in fear of losing your life and great bodily harm and fired to neutralize the attack.
Stay Safe. Good luck Detective. This will become McAsshole’s Cozzi case. He was probably told by Rahm that this cost us $4million so fuck him and see that this don't happen again.
Anita Alvarez is scum! She can't indict real criminals, but God forbid she should pass up a chance to throw one of us under a bus! I know Dante…nice guy. If he's smart and has a good lawyer, he'll opt for a bench trial. A jury will hang him by his thumbs. I guess the $4 million the family got for someone who probably wouldn't have come close to earning that in her lifetime, wasn't enough.
The article, in typically inept propaganda style, claims the detective had a "fully automatic" Glock. Sorry socialists. Your anti-gun scare tactics are way off. Why don't you try fact checking instead of spinning stories to fit your political agenda?
Oh, wait. This is Chicago. The media is told to
print political lies. That's why crime is down but the rest of the world knows it's not safe here. Carry on.
This Detective did nothing wrong. He defended himself against a perceived threat against his life. Anita Alvarez is throwing this decorated officer under the bus for her own political gain. This is shameful.
As shocked as I am. Im really not. Alvarez is setting a president by doing this. Message: dont get involved in any off duty police work, just call call 911 and leave. I cant believe I am saying this but our nieghborhoods are gonna have to fend for themselves. Keep calling 911. Its a shame.
I feel very sorry for the detective. I have been in 3 shooting on this job!!! Having said that, it is impossible to arm chair quarter back. There is noway anyone can tell you how it went down, after it went down !! Unless it is premeditated murder or drunken discharge of a firearm you cannot charge this guy. The PO was in fear of his life and stayed on seen to cooperate with the investigation. We need to step and support this officer now and not convict before any trial has been put on. I wish to all my fellow officers a very happy thangsgivng.
It seems to me that if the courts and the city are willing to pay 4.5 million of tax dollars to the family, then this shooting is clearly on duty and no charges should be filed. The question is why isn't the face of the police out there either questioning the settlement or arguing that this officer should be afforded the same process as an on duty officer.
As noted in both papers, Detective had UNREGISTERED glock handgun. This seems to be a stickler for ASA. Don't know why.
i just wanna know where i can score the rare Glock 18 "fully automatic 9mm" as touted by the paper. there's so many things wrong with the story that i think this is more of a political stunt by AA than anything. i bet dollars to donuts (wait, with Obamanomics, they're almost the same thing now) that this case won't go very far in the end, yet, there won't be so much as a "whoops" for the detective.
That's why my badge and gun stay in my locker. Off-duty you'll just get me to call 911 for any street nonsense. And for those who'll say how will I protect myself and family off-duty without my gun? The same way I did before I took this job.
Anita goes after the cop but couldn't find the balls to indict Daley's nephew for murdering little Koschman. If any case calls out for an indictment it is the Vanecko case. But Daley is Anita's "mentor" and we all know how that works in Crook County.
Really, what did you expect? Forewarned is forearmed.
Hell, in Cook County, when you act in self-defense - I guess it would now make sense to flee the scene?
I know that violates a Dept. Order - but maybe it'll keep you out of jail at least.
I can see it now - "he's fleeing W/B - he's a Chicago Cop in full uniform in a marked squad car"
DUH.
It's not unlike Anita to charge a case for political expediency than to get a conviction.
Very sad to hear this. Don't know this officer but really wish all your posts were like this......giving the officer the benefit of the doubt.
Anonymous said...
Good luck citizens. You're on your own. Im done with Chicago. You got the city u want.
11/26/2013 12:39:00 AM
No. Come back! What will we do without you?
Good luck to him. He is going to need it.
The world of the politically correct is crashing down around him.
4 million dollars, and now they want his head? Why would a copper live in the ghetto? Sometimes it's better to just call police, your "off-duty" like the old cabs the sign said off duty on the top of cab! Wonder what the girls and her thug friends history was? Surely they were stellar citizens!
Anita "I like to throw baseball" you caved as weak as you are now and always have been your another reason for people to move out of this county, racist precwinkel and people like you!
Was this grand jury'd or one of Alvarez's seemingly random indictments?
As a civilian, I have no problem with CPD using deadly force IF it's required. If one of you on here put down a scumbag who pointed a weapon at you, then I'll buy you a beer. However, in this case, someone else got hit with a round and is now dead. And when the city has to settle yet another multi-million dollar lawsuit for a fatal shooting, attorneys want someone to be responsible.
If this happened to a CCW holder, they'd be charged too - and odds are, not for involuntary manslaughter, but something more serious.
And "fully automatic Glock" - I know the Tribune is lazy, but can they at least use the correct terminology with firearms?
-NotACop
How come no mention of Anita clearing Ofc. Sierra? Have you seen that video?
Anita must be getting to run for office again.
Police don't give money to her camplain, drug dealers and reverand do..
"For all you people applying for those concealed carry permits keep this case in your mind, because when this tragedy happens to you we will see if this idiot attorney charges you too."
Not me. So glad I left the city. Sucks seeing it rot due to the politicians though.
That tribune story wasn't slanted at all...gee you'd think it was written by the brother or pos felon himself(obviously with the aid of an articulate person crafty in the art of spin)
If you are reading this detective you and your family are in my prayers.
The guy with gun disappeared for 30 minutes, only to return to seek medical attention. That's a long time to get rid of evidence.
The deal was set when the City settled in record time.
They kept the Detective on pins and needles till the city was cleared with the civil suit.
So Burge gets covered by the city for his suit?
Vanecko case gets sealed to protect the Daley family?
And a dick going out off duty to deal with a Domestic gets charged because Operation push wants blood.
Hell anita could not even fire an ASA fighting the police in a dildo store!
It's a small world my friends. What comes around goes around.
Dont forget are retired brothers in the states attorney investigators who slopped this lynching together.
I won't
I'm going to avoid the "Circumstances" that led to the shooting and just comment on one Point I noticed in the story from various news outlets..
Full Auto Glock Handgun was used.
My wife was reading the story online yesterday night and used the above words.
Also were the words : Unregistered Firearm
Regardless of the circumstances...
No one in this Country unless they are a Tac Officer with written permission is allowed to Own a post-1986 Automatic Handgun.
He's done just for the above reasons.
Bite your tongue and say nothing except to identify yourself and ask to see a lawyer immediately. You are suffering from shock; you are feeling dizzy and want to go to the hospital.
Do not say anything at any time until that lawyer is sitting on you lap. Continue to say nothing, unless advised to say it by the attorney.
Even days, months or years later, never say you fired shots to "KILL". Get the word "kill" out of your vocabulary. You or someone were being attacked and in fear of losing your life and great bodily harm and fired to neutralize the attack.
Stay Safe. Good luck Detective. This will become McAsshole’s Cozzi case. He was probably told by Rahm that this cost us $4million so fuck him and see that this don't happen again.
You gave some great advice. Its hard to do and but most po's think being quiet shows some sort of guilt. It doesnt and later down the line you will be glad you said nothing
One thing I dont agree with. There is not a comparison with this case and Cozzi. McCarthy has done nothing to get this guy charged, but Jodi reopened the case on Cozzi
Anita is just fulfilling a campaign promise to the rat gangsters that help elect her in that she stated that she would prosecute the police and she got big cheers. From the ghetto. Check it out.
The poster at 12:31 a.m. is no P.O. He's full of shit. $100 he's right out of Alvarez's office. What a dumbfuck
If the officer was black and the victim was white the officer have been arrested on the scene.....( future quote from Jackson, Sharpton, Flegler or however you spell it, and Mitchell)
etire if U can assholes especially with free health. Butt fuck U have to keep ur boat floating mikey Em. Do you live in 009, 022 or out of city. Invast work to me done at Midway Airport Police Personnel. Or lets go to the MEDIA.
Yea dont get involved off duty and dont live in the ghetto. Number one I hope none of your family members ever gets robbed in front of an off duty police officer and number two where is the non ghetto part of the city so I can move there.
This is why all you'd Gung Ho fucks should be only answering your calls and writing one Parker and grabbing two bus checks a tour. Send a message and unite.
Aw WTF, who are we kidding.
Who the hell is this poor guys lawyer? He allowed him to be interviewed by the states attorney twice and allowed him to give an interview to a french journalist.
These sound like the lawyering skills of Paul Geiger or one of his flunkies.
Who the hell is this poor guys lawyer? He allowed him to be interviewed by the states attorney twice and allowed him to give an interview to a french journalist.
These sound like the lawyering skills of Paul Geiger or one of his flunkies.
Maybe the detective felt he did nothing wrong and wanted to get his story or his side out. Usually not a good idea, especially when everything he said in that French documentary can be used against him.
Dont think his lawyer did him any favors.
Guess we will have to see how this plays out and I wish the guy luck
Would hope SCC will post any fund raiser they have for him.
What a shame. This could of been anyone of us. This is going to hurt all of us. He is a good guy and needs our support.
The city that works and give Lotto prizes.
The kin could care less now. Jimmy Montgomery got the kin 4 mil and. They moved on up to Country Club Hills and play the $25.00 slots at the Horseshow.
Valet parking of the new Benz included.
Got to love how the city can throw 4 mil to the family when the deceased had no income.
Fuck em all, max amount to kin should be limited to an upgrade of a section 8 apartment.
Anonymous said... I'm going to avoid the "Circumstances" that led to the shooting and just comment on one Point I noticed in the story from various news outlets..
Full Auto Glock Handgun was used.
My wife was reading the story online yesterday night and used the above words.
Also were the words : Unregistered Firearm
Regardless of the circumstances...
No one in this Country unless they are a Tac Officer with written permission is allowed to Own a post-1986 Automatic Handgun.
He's done just for the above reasons.
11/26/2013 10:43:00 AM
Hey Moron,
You obviously believe everything you hear in the media or read in the newspapers, right? To make a stupid comment and judgement like it came right out of your ass without knowing the facts is completely assenine. The so called "fully automatic" glock that he had was just your average normal everyday semi-auto handgun that any normal (non criminal) citizen can purchase at any gun store. The media writes and says whatever they want, regardless of the truth and the sheep believe it. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!
To: "One thing I dont agree with. There is not a comparison with this case and Cozzi. McCarthy has done nothing to get this guy charged, but Jodi reopened the case on Cozzi
11/26/2013 10:58:00 AM"
Thanks, but I wrote,
"This will become McAsholes Cozzi case."
Future tense, and I'd bet money on it.
This Detective could beat the rap with some good layering in a bench trial and get reinstated by the Police Board.
Then McFucks-Up-Evertything-He-Touches, (got to be the longest sobriquet for him yet), could drag him to Federal Court on a Civil Rights beef even there was no such intentions.
Then he could grovel to Rahm and say I am pleased to report that I have saved Your Excellency two million dollars.
etire if U can assholes especially with free health. Butt fuck U have to keep ur boat floating mikey Em. Do you live in 009, 022 or out of city. Invast work to me done at Midway Airport Police Personnel. Or lets go to the MEDIA.
++++++++++++++++++
What?
Anyone got a benefit going? I'll buy a ticket.
That's why my badge and gun stay in my locker. Off-duty you'll just get me to call 911 for any street nonsense. And for those who'll say how will I protect myself and family off-duty without my gun? The same way I did before I took this job.
11/26/2013 08:23:00 AM
....I just hope for the best and hope the beast doesn't see me. There are sheep and there are sheepdogs. You, sir, are a sheep and unworthy of carrying the star.
With that star comes a responsibility. You have apparently decided to abandon this responsibility, even when it involves your family. Your spot on the Department has been wasted. That is a shame for the citizens, the taxpayers.
To: "One thing I dont agree with. There is not a comparison with this case and Cozzi. McCarthy has done nothing to get this guy charged, but Jodi reopened the case on Cozzi
11/26/2013 10:58:00 AM"
Thanks, but I wrote,
"This will become McAsholes Cozzi case."
Future tense, and I'd bet money on it.
This Detective could beat the rap with some good layering in a bench trial and get reinstated by the Police Board.
Then McFucks-Up-Evertything-He-Touches, (got to be the longest sobriquet for him yet), could drag him to Federal Court on a Civil Rights beef even there was no such intentions
You are unbelieveable. Now you are reading into the future and saying what McCarthy is going to do. Blame the guy for what you feel he has done, but to write this shit is way off base. You have no reason to believe he would do that.
And no, I'm not one of McCarthy's guys
Why would anyone want to go on television and give any kind of statement. many years back a copper indicted for corruption in the 10th district called the Marquette 10 went on 60 minutes protesting his innocence, it was bad news and he went to jail.
all of the Marquette 10 went to jail, in fact one died of a heart attack in jail
Let Anita come in front of the FOP again asking for our endorsement, I think she even came to an FOP General Meeting. We will boo her out of the hall this time, Fuck her and her lying Bull Shit.
Too many gungho gunslinging Rambo's on the job. Like I've said before, many of you never worked any other job than the police. Remember, its just a job, not an adventure.
To: "You are unbelieveable. Now you are reading into the future and saying what McCarthy is going to do. Blame the guy for what you feel he has done, but to write this shit is way off base. You have no reason to believe he would do that.
And no, I'm not one of McCarthy's guys
11/27/2013 01:09:00 PM"
I am probably a lot older than you with a lot longer career than you and during that time I have saved a lot of cop's asses and maybe even a few lives. Some of it by reading into the future; if you do this than down the line this will be the result, same with what you write or say.
Only time will tell for sure and you may be right. If the Detective were found Not Guilty on All Counts, then McDufass, if left to his own devices might be inclined to let the matter fade and let the Detective shuffle Supplementary Reports until he maxes out his pension.
But I doubt that would happen. If found Not Guilty, every West Side Rev-run with a church the size of a phone booth or more will be calling on Rahm demanding that justice be done.
Rahm will then call McFill-in-blank and what do you think he will do.
Do you think he will stand up for this Detective, do you think he will rush to get him fully reinstated?
So you could be right in that this may be more dependent on what Rahm wants than anything else.
Stay Safe. Based on what "Mr. McCarthy" has done in the past, would you trust him with anything involved in running the Chicago Police Department? Would you trust Rahm with your pension?
I know this PO. He is top-notch. His life was in danger that night; he took immediate, appropriate and proportionate police action. He did exactly what he was trained to do and what he swore an oath to do. Now he's being punished for it. What a damned shame.
To: "You are unbelieveable. Now you are reading into the future and saying what McCarthy is going to do. Blame the guy for what you feel he has done, but to write this shit is way off base. You have no reason to believe he would do that.
And no, I'm not one of McCarthy's guys
11/27/2013 01:09:00 PM"
I am probably a lot older than you with a lot longer career than you and during that time I have saved a lot of cop's asses and maybe even a few lives. Some of it by reading into the future; if you do this than down the line this will be the result, same with what you write or say.
Only time will tell for sure and you may be right. If the Detective were found Not Guilty on All Counts, then McDufass, if left to his own devices might be inclined to let the matter fade and let the Detective shuffle Supplementary Reports until he maxes out his pension.
But I doubt that would happen. If found Not Guilty, every West Side Rev-run with a church the size of a phone booth or more will be calling on Rahm demanding that justice be done.
Rahm will then call McFill-in-blank and what do you think he will do.
Do you think he will stand up for this Detective, do you think he will rush to get him fully reinstated?
So you could be right in that this may be more dependent on what Rahm wants than anything else.
Stay Safe. Based on what "Mr. McCarthy" has done in the past, would you trust him with anything involved in running the Chicago Police Department? Would you trust Rahm with your pension?
11/28/2013 09:20:00 PM
First of all, you are not older than me or have more time on the job, which really makes no difference.
All I was saying was dont condemn someone for something he has yet to do. When you said "do you really think he will rush to get the detective reinstated" I unlike you do not know what he will do, but it is possible.
Read page 7 of the October 2013 FOP newsletter written by Jim McCarthy.
There were two 015 pos involved in a street stop and there was a video of it. They were stripped and IPRA recommended separation and forwarded it to McCarthy. He wrote them a letter of a non concurrence opinion and restored the po's police powers and no separation. In the FOP article it was stated that this was not the first case he has written a non concurrence letter and that he has written several regtarding discipline and that the FOP has taken notice of that fact.
I have a feeling those 015 po's might not agree with you assessment of the supt.
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