Squad Policing Doesn't Work
This was attempted here about two decades ago, and it gave rise to the Rapid Response (or Sector Cars) that we have today. It was determined to be manpower-intensive, which wasn't that big a problem during the hiring waves of those years. That isn't really possible in these leaner times of doing more-with-less. What happens is we end up doing less-with-less.
But don't take our word for it. Here's an article from May of this year in Denver where they tried the same thing:
But don't take our word for it. Here's an article from May of this year in Denver where they tried the same thing:
- The Denver Police union says staffing levels are "dangerously low" and people are waiting hours for an officer to respond to some calls.
The Police Protective Association sent a letter expressing their concerns to the Chief Monday. The union is concerned about the new concept called "team policing."
The team policing concept means that people work in groups, they have the same days off, and work the same area.
The benefits of this approach, police officers say, is they get to know the area they work, the people, their problems.
The disadvantages, the union says, is there are not enough officers on the streets on some days. They claim there are plenty of officers one day, then the next, when the teams don't overlap, there may not be enough people to respond to calls.
The letter points to a drop in the number of officers patrolling a district. It claims the area suffered a nearly 50 percent reduction in patrols.
Gee, dangerously low manpower (check). Waiting hours to even see a police officer (check). Any of this sound vaguely familiar yet?
A 50% reduction in patrols? Does anyone think citizens are going to stand for that - oh wait, they already are in the affluent "low-crime" districts where McCompStat, Rahm and the various aldercreatures lie constantly to the citizens, who just seem to lap it up.
If any enterprising reporter wants to do a little research, call NYPD. They tried this, too and shitcanned the whole operation a few years ago BECAUSE IT DIDN'T WORK. But here, we're going to make it fail even more spectacularly, just because we can.
A 50% reduction in patrols? Does anyone think citizens are going to stand for that - oh wait, they already are in the affluent "low-crime" districts where McCompStat, Rahm and the various aldercreatures lie constantly to the citizens, who just seem to lap it up.
If any enterprising reporter wants to do a little research, call NYPD. They tried this, too and shitcanned the whole operation a few years ago BECAUSE IT DIDN'T WORK. But here, we're going to make it fail even more spectacularly, just because we can.
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posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
31 Comments:
The CPD leadership is smarter than those other cities. They can tweek it and make it work like a timex watch.
I can tell you that in 005, the safe passage bullshit has us in a serious backlog everyday. We have domestics and in-progress calls with 2 hours on them when we leave roll call. I can't tell you how many times we show up on a job and the caller is furious we took 2 hours to respond.
If your assigned to a squad please do nothing and call for a paper car like the PPO'S on foot patrol do...WHAT A WASTE OF MANPOWER
Hmmm...
Changing the definition of what "crime" really is and changing how crime is counted/measured?
Rebooting the concept of "Chicago Policing" to that of "Chicago Revenue Collecting?" Actual and perceived public safety be damned?
Actively destroying a Police Department out of political spite?
Stealing Police resources from tax-paying segments of the city and giving it to tax-absorbing segments of the city?
Blowing smoke up tax-payers asses about above the theft of resources and getting away with it because the tax-payers are too nice to justifiably storm City Hall, chain the doors shut and burn it to the ground because the architects of the theft have so throughly gamed the rules of elective governance as to render citizen redress via the ballot box nigh near impossible?
Open warfare against the mutual concerns of The Police and the few upright citizens who have a real need for a robust Police presence in this era of intentional destruction of public safety?
Local media acting in concert with and as the propaganda arm of the local political apparatus and dutifully looking the other way from the misdeeds of the same apparatus while magnifying every fault, flaw and sometimes tragically human failing of those tasked with safeguarding this city?
Political, corporate and media entities seeking the financial destruction of those tasked with safeguarding this city?
They vigorously hold Policemen to their oath of office and solemn duty to serve.
They vigorously strive to walk away from their lawful obligation of a secure and undiminished post-retirement compensation for years of good faith service with a price paid in diminished longevity compared to age peers as a result of grief, stress, aggravation, torn up bodies, torn up psyches and other such?
Charging Policemen as virtually responsible for causing the estimated $12 to $15 Billion theft/diversion/misappropriation of municipal tax payer treasure over the last quarter century?
>Stands back... Admires work... Takes a sip of good rye whiskey<
The Police Are The Enemy.
Viva Hate...
"Hi! It's me, Police Superintendent Garry McTwitter! I know my new program is like mom making you eat pea soup for the first time; it tastes bad, but keep drinking it. It tastes better as time goes by."
"Oh, one more thing. I'm usually on my eighteenth Schlitz at midnight and six more to go before I finish the case and pass out or perhaps take out a streetlight or two. Can you post later in the morning so I can enjoy my beer in peace? I mean, like I got a good buzz going on at mdnight, but at 12:05 am, Rahm is screaming on the phone about your blog and it really ruins my shit. I don't even want to take out a streetlight after one of his telephonically sent tantrums.
Talk about a guy who needs a serious hitch slapping. "
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It is an old, tired, and failed concept. They are resurrecting and tweaking it because they are out of ideas and no sensible, politically incorrect thoughts are allowed.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
They don't care if it "works" or not.
It's about reducing manpower, especially at the Sgt. rank.
wow lets reinvent the wheel. how the hell is this going to work with the amount po's we have now? it seems it works for small college towns...And how the heck will this work on 1st watch when there are not that many calls of service?
On paper crime will go down.
Don't worry about it taxpayers, just keep voting Dummycrat.
Off Topic:
NJ to hold fugitive safe surrender
--->(AP) 'New Jersey law enforcement authorities are launching a "safe surrender" initiative that allows nonviolent offenders with arrest warrants to have their cases resolved quickly, often without jail time. ~~~snip~~~ The program is open to U.S. citizens and legal residents wanted for nonviolent crimes .. including family matters and child support. ... It's not an amnesty program, but does offer favorable consideration from the court, often in the form of reduced fines or probation instead of jail time.<---
WATCH OUT. More East Coast nonsense from Libtard Moonbats. Rahm, Perriwinkle(sic), Dart,and McJersey would love this, it's doing More with less. And since it keeps all those 'fine members of the community' out of Jail all the store-front Rev'runs will be clamoring for it too. Plus it buys more votes for the 'compassionate' Dems.
Love me some McTwitters!!!!
Squad policing= put the dipatchers on the street!
11/06/2013 01:20:00 AM
You nailed it!
I can't tell you how many times we show up on a job and the caller is furious we took 2 hours to respond.
At home, make up a bunch of cards stating the low manpower in your district. Include the Alderman and the Mayor's number and have them bitch at them. Not you!
So having three officers plus a sergeant respond to a barking dog or a burglar alarm makes sense right?
A great president said it best: "Take from the rich and give to the poor. We need to redistribute things to be fair and equal." He said it, he is from Chicago, so it must be so.
Do you really think the fact that it's never worked before would influence Rahm n McNutty's decision?
Hell no. This just furthers their union busting efforts.
When I started in 1980 it was about truth ,justice, and the American Way .Now that I'm retired,I can state that at the end of the ride it was sundown,payday, and buying groceries. Be strong, because after it ends,everyday is Saturday
We do not live in an affluent area, though we are in 18 please know that not only are response times +20 minutes for gunshots, but Ram It raised the property tax on the shed we call home by 300%. If he can do that he sure should be able to find the pension money pretty easily. Can't wait to vote that asshole down a few pegs.
Friend of CPD.
sad to say they are doing this in suburbs and in many major cities out west. next thing will be 12hrs shifts you read it right hear on ssc
Anonymous said...
I can't tell you how many times we show up on a job and the caller is furious we took 2 hours to respond.
At home, make up a bunch of cards stating the low manpower in your district. Include the Alderman and the Mayor's number and have them bitch at them. Not you!
11/06/2013 11:00:00 AM
I once got written up by a big black guy, Inspector Smith for taking 20 minutes to respond to a job on the other side of my district on a Saturday in heavy traffic. Took a reprimand. He gave me a break for not wearing my crown hat. That was the prescribed cover then. Except in winter when we could wear the trooper fur hat.
Stop crying children. Put someone in prison. That is the mark of a good police officer. How many in prison pissed off at you for putting them there.
Morale is gone completely. Look at the faces at roll call. It's like the line to the gallows.
Yep 12 hr shifts are the rage. Cops love them-off every other weekend for 3 days. Who will bitch about that?
plus either an 8 hr day once every 2 weeks or they owe you 4 hrs OT.
Bad-it's a long 12 hour day. We do them 6am-6pm, 6pm-6am
And the 3 day weekend you do work every other week can be tough.
When did honor and a work ethic become such a scarce resource on this job.
When they started taking our benefits and making us wait 4 years for a contract. who are you blowing?
TO -9:27. I concur whole heartily! I do think this company is so f-Ickedup though with politics, racial and otherwise. We are all BLUE and should be the POLICE! But the real problem is. Not enough men and women in blue getting invovled!! Go to the FoP & PbPa meetings!! if there were more Veterans on this job it would be back to being the para-military organization like we were 20 -25 years ago before this touchy feely bullsh-t!!
As it is, since districts merged you are asking for a beat car of 2 officers to cover what 2 patrol units used to cover that was what 4 officers used to do. Busy or not, it does make a difference and strain. God forbid, it does go busy, entire communities without patrol for hours. We are being stretched thin to none, how many officers have to die to get it? How many have to get hurt to stop the madness of this poor leadership? We need more patrol officers to patrol and not just the shuffle to create smoke in mirrors that we "supposedly" have the numbers when we don't. If i die, I already told my family to sue based on this poor conditions that we are put through.
i have to agree i have a friend who is on naperville pd and loves the 12hrs shift, also in arizona they have 10hrs shift with 3 assigned days off and loves it,
i have to agree i have a friend who is on naperville pd and loves the 12hrs shift, also in arizona they have 10hrs shift with 3 assigned days off and loves it,
11/07/2013 12:32:00 PM
12 hrs in Naperville vs 12 hrs in Englewood? Can you imagine 12 hrs in Englewood...all the time.
Nobody should expect anybody to be able to do that consistently. NEVER!
"...i have a friend who is on naperville pd and loves the 12hrs shift..."
The Coppers in Naperville aren't getting burned at both ends at the same time running from the moment they turn their radios on until the time they log off.
12 hour shifts will not work here in Chicago because of chronic, intentional understaffing and these morons from New Yuck crashing CPD on the rocks running it on the cheap.
It's kind of funny... These carpetbaggers from New Yuck weren't hurting for shit in regard to a deep pool of manpower and resources whe they were in but they be on that austerity and bean counting bullshit here in Chicago.
These lying, false-flagging busters should be chased by pissed-off citizens and beaten with sticks, rakes, knotted ropes and hot fire every time they venture out in public.
*Crime ("What we twist it to be so nobody is really clear what it actually encompasses") is down...*
With the feds sniffing around NYPD and Newark, hopefully it comes to pass that McCarthy ends up in Bernie Kerik's old cell...
These "smart" NYPD boy wonders are a bunch of oversold pieces of shit angling for some soon to be created national police czar post.
Hopefully, they'll have to fight with j-fled... A handful of assholes enter but only one can leave.
It'll be like alley cats fighting in a burlap sack... Just as entertaining too when the winner stumbles out with teeth missing, covered with shit and piss with clumps of fur missing...
*Stomps foot...*
GIT!
"MEEE-YOW!"
"As it is, since districts merged you are asking for a beat car of 2 officers to cover what 2 patrol units used to cover that was what 4 officers used to do..."
11/07/2013 01:21:00 AM
Actually, it's one officer covering what 4 officers used to do back when we were fully staffed and had plenty of help on the streets.
District consolidation is bullshit without proper manpower.
Rahm and McCarthy are playing games with the lives of Policemen and citizens...
they artfully dodge every DIRECT QUESTION regarding CPD manpower.
CPD is down by at least one third in manpower since the 1990's.
Morale is gone completely. Look at the faces at roll call. It's like the line to the gallows.
11/06/2013 05:37:00 PM
The line to the gallows is happier. They have an end to their misery in sight.
Lat weekend, maybe one before, 019 had FIVE cars down on early rollcall/days. I sure would like to see McSilly come out and handle some of these mentals...even to acknowledge their existence would be a step in the right direction!
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