NATO 3 Trial Continues
- One defendant used violent language and seemed intent on fighting with cops and vandalizing property on undercover recordings played at the NATO 3 trial.
On more than two dozen recordings played for jurors Wednesday, the man alleged by prosecutors to be the central figure in a terrorist plot during the 2012 NATO summit in Chicago comes across as a stoner trying to impress the female undercover police officer who'd befriended him.
Brian Church, 22, is on trial with Jared Chase, 29, and Brent Betterly, 25, on charges they plotted attacks against Chicago police, Mayor Rahm Emanuel's house and President Barack Obama's campaign headquarters. The so-called NATO 3, who had driven here from Florida, were arrested after filling four empty beer bottles with gasoline with the aid of two undercover Chicago officers at the Bridgeport home where they were staying with 12 others.
And loud-mouthed, drunken frat boys they may have remained...until acts of furtherance were committed. Then we move out of the realm of the "Occupy whatever" anarchist fantasy into the real world of consequences. Hopefully, Anita isn't blowing this one.
Labels: terrorism
82 Comments:
...will the terrorists' comm specialist (https://www.blogger.com/profile/00905302950700841069) be called to testify?
It sounds more like they were idealistic freedom fighters rather than terrorists. Youth guided by the idealism of Occupy Wall Street. It's should not be a crime being a good socialist or anarchist working toward a fair and just world.
OT:
Ok,ok,ok...Chicago PD might be the worst police show out. I apologize for my previous suggestions that it might actually be an entertaining show. They "detailed" a recruit in the academy to work with the "Intelligence Unit" and he has already had a fatal OIS, just hasn't graduated the academy yet...what is this crap..and it makes Chicago Code look like Hill Streer Blues.
Anita already blew this one, the Sun-Times and Tribune are running how bad the prosecutors are doing.
The defense hasn't even said a word and the city seems against the case.
She's throwing this one for political reasons we mere mortals can't figure out yet.
To the skank population of Bridgeport these days, and I'm referring to the socialists/communists/marxists/revolutionaries living and working in Bridgeport, get the hell out of my neighborhood. All you aholes at The Unity Center on 32-33rd & Halsted, take your commie townhall buddies with you and get the hell out...we don't want no stinkin' lefties. Bridgeport, recognize cockroaches when you see then and get rid of them, and they can take their "art" centers with them..
Wow....with the aid of two officers....seems like biased reporting to me.
Well if they are "Occupy" people. then according to many of our leaders in this country, They are progressive and must be set free. Ask Nancy Pelosi.
Anonymous said...
It sounds more like they were idealistic freedom fighters rather than terrorists. Youth guided by the idealism of Occupy Wall Street. It's should not be a crime being a good socialist or anarchist working toward a fair and just world.
1/23/2014 01:15:00 AM
It is a crime, however, when you plan on blowing shit up. "He meant well" is not a valid excuse for blowing shit up.
BTW, what do you consider a "fair and just world?" I kind of like one in which people don't blow shit up.
The Mayor is crying poor when it comes to paying police officers the pensions they've earned but apparently there is plenty of money to give away land in hot neighborhoods.
The Mayor wants to sell six lots to a developer in Humboldt Park for $1 each to build homes.
http://chicago.curbed.com/archives/2014/01/21/rahm-city-to-sell-six-lots-to-developer-for-1.php
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OT:
Ok,ok,ok...Chicago PD might be the worst police show out. I apologize for my previous suggestions that it might actually be an entertaining show. They "detailed" a recruit in the academy to work with the "Intelligence Unit" and he has already had a fatal OIS, just hasn't graduated the academy yet...what is this crap..and it makes Chicago Code look like Hill Streer Blues.
1/23/2014 01:17:00 AM<<<
I didn't want to watch it but I was at my brothers' house.
I told you Voight was A FEDERAL PLANT!
Guy with 5 years here....."two undercover cops" how the hell do I get in that unit!.....sounds like fun!!!
You know this case is fucked why would it be in a county court instead of the federal court?
>>>>> 1/23/2014 01:17:00 AM; Anonymous said... -- OT: Ok,ok,ok...Chicago PD might be the worst police show out. <<<<<
It sure is, it sucks big time. The premise is a joke, and the 'acting' just plain sucks. The first episode was painful to watch, the second one made me throw-up in my mouth, and I'm almost afraid to watch the third one today with On Demand.
By all rights it should go the way of the recently failed 'Ironside', canceled after 3 episodes. But it won't, it's a Dick Wolf production so the network will give it time to for the Dick Wolf magic to work and catch an audience. Well, good luck with that.
Bottom line, 'Chicago PD' is a prime example of why Mayor Daley -- the Real one -- kicked Hollywood out of Chicago.
::::: Yep that's right, he did. After the '68 Hippie Riot in Grant Park he didn't want any cameras filming here, certainly NOT of 'his' Police Dept. The Hollyweirdos weren't 'invited back' until Jane Byrne made peace and allowed the Blues Brothers to film here. :::::
There's not really a case against these guys.
Two things: It is not against the law to be a socialist, communist, or fascists. High lever members of state and federal government and congress are all of those. These boys have done little wrong and the prosecution recognizes that they have a very weak case.
Chicago PD, is a great cop show, but it is idealized more toward how things ought to be, not how they actually are.
Drunken Frat Boys
Give them back their bottles and turn them loose on their intended targets its a win win for all of us.
The Chicago news media should hang their heads in shame, they are just dying to discredit the POLICE, This Mark Brown from the Sun Times is drooling all over himselve just waiting to pounce on these 2 undercover coppers, Weather these 3 assholes came to Chicago for fun or really wanting to cause problems we can't say, but my past dealings with these screwballs is that their ideas on how the world should work is scary, they might be college grads but they lack one important piece, that is STREET SMARTS, these people need to be taken pout to Englewood , or the far southside and see how fast they can relate to realtime problems, they will crap in their pants. I can't wait for Mark Brown to get his ass kicked by some protestors one day, and then he will scream for the police, and like the pros that we are, we will save his ass.
Bridgeport has been taken over by the artsy fartsy liberals, just as Pilsen has been, they ride their Bikes thru traffic like goofs and expect people to drop down and kiss their feet, they are demanding idiots who never see the glass weather it is half empty or half full, they want the police to cater to them.
TV Show : Chicago PD has a really really really bad advisor...I am sure he never was on the job!!
Why is it that NYPD has put out some pretty good shows????
"Ok,ok,ok...Chicago PD might be the worst police show out . . . . what is this crap..and it makes Chicago Code look like Hill Streer Blues."
1/23/2014 01:17:00 AM
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I work the film details as much as I can.
I can honestly say I never watch the shows/movies when they come out.
Neither do a lot of the film crew who works them.
BOTTOM LINE: MONEY.
It's about the money in our pocket to pay off the overpriced homes and MAX OUT in deferred comp.
I say keep up the good work with bringing in all these stupid TV shows the rednecks and half-witted welfare recipients watch on their 52 inch screen TV's.
They make me one more day closer to retirement!
"Eenie-meanie, chili-beanie, The Spirits are about to speak!"
"Are they FRIENDLY spirits?"
Heh... This IS Chicago, isn't it?
Fuck no! Them haints ain't friendly in the least!
Chicago-style fuckery in furtherance...
It looks like the political and media powers that be are very actively putting this case on in the court of public opinion in order to make it go away.
Prediction:
In the end, It won't matter whether these three misguided missles were lawfully surveilled, arrested AND CHARGED.
It won't matter that they intended to injure and kill Policemen and passers by in the commission of CRIMINAL ACTS.
It won't matter that these unconscionable little jag-offs fully intended to and made provisions for pointing and laughing at the spectacle of seeing "Cops on fire" and the aftermath of the death, destruction and chaos they acted in furtherance to cause.
A question if we could, please...
WHERE are the CPD SUPERVISORS & EXEMPT MEMBERS, CITY HALL OFFICIALS & CCSAO BOSSES who were ALL monitoring, coaching AND running plays to the huddle of this investigation from the sidelines?
>Sound of a car skidding & crashing<
O_o? o_o? o_O?
"Dafuckwuzdat?"
Really... It's a very simple-assed question that needs to be answered.
>CRICKETS<
Whoopsie! Can't leave the FEDS out either...
If past Chicago political practice is any indication, these two officers currently sitting in the witness box at 26th Street are going to be the sacrificial scapegoats.
This case is designed, for political expediency, to decay into another propaganda suite of "Rogue Chicago Cops" again operating in the vacuum of impunity with no direct supervision or oversight from an allegedly "neutral" civilian authority... Etc. Etc. Etc.
Has the prosecution set this up to fail? They should have put on all the Chicago, Cook County and Feeb heavy hitters who coached this investigation from the sidelines as to how these nitwits attracted L.E. attention in the first place.
THEN put the eyeball & hands on Officers in the witness box...
Legal and court room generalship in Cook County has always taken a back seat to political wiggle room to allow for the covering of political asses.
The Officers did nothing wrong but they're going to get hurt badly because of Chicago/Cook County/news media bullshit.
This angle needs looking into to mitigate any potential harm to the Officers in the witness box.
Remember... In this day and age, The Police are the enemy.
Anonymous said...
It sounds more like they were idealistic freedom fighters rather than terrorists. Youth guided by the idealism of Occupy Wall Street. It's should not be a crime being a good socialist or anarchist working toward a fair and just world.
1/23/2014 01:15:00 AM
Have another Tequila Sunrise and get off this blog, Hanoi Jane. It's not okay to plan to set cops on fire with molotov cocktails. Just like it was not okay to rat on U.S. POWs during Viet Nam War. Violent extremists are terrorists.
Very hard to prosecute this one successfully. No harm no foul. They already did some time.
Any news from the town hall meeting at the Ag School on the southside with the State politicians Hurley and Cunningham that took place the other night?
Anita Alvarez releases photo of unindicted co-conspirator.
http://imgur.com/3JIPwjv
Remember Daley embraced the left. Daley is Bridgeport. Your community has been taken over. Thanks Bridgeport
so Tom McDonough has to spend 10 grand out of his pocket to mail members out his message but Dougherty can use FOPs emails to send out advertisements for free?
This does not seem fair.
hope the elite gang guys who did the home invasion to grab these guys without search warrants are ready for the ride in federal court after these guys are found not guilty... cant blame it on the feds when the feds were just following your lead. And the thing about the feds is that in federal court they tell the truth so you know exactly who its all gonna fall on... Yep, get ready boys.. dont do anything with the feds that may nor not have sufficient probable cause.
Knowing what we know now, why did we stop them?
Damn anarchist, Bridgeport is where they hide, just shy north of Enlgewood worthess residents. We give them their own road to share while using their two wheelers (bicycles)and still not enough. These modern hippies need to live in Englewood and realize the true monsters and enemy to our economy and ways of life.
Anonymous said...
It sounds more like they were idealistic freedom fighters rather than terrorists. Youth guided by the idealism of Occupy Wall Street. It's should not be a crime being a good socialist or anarchist working toward a fair and just world.
1/23/2014 01:15:00 AM
I see. Just a couple of young creative fellows working through effective institutions committed to building a more just, verdant, and peaceful world. In addition they are helping to defend human rights, advance global conservation and security, make cities better places, and understanding how technology is affecting children and society.
OK then, let them go with a pat on the back.
Even Vermin Supreme would've got these 3 smelly ass wipes off this case.
I'm a copper and think these three were railroaded.
Without the artist communities in Bridgeport that area would just be tired and worn out. They're bringing jobs and vitality to an otherwise bleak place.
This trial will end up in appeal or more likely a mistrial. All for what...GmaC, Alvarez, Preckwinkle, Dart posturing for a Fed appointment. Then theres all the money being spent on this trial in a County Judicuary that let's more criminals free is ridiculous.
I don't think this case had any substance and so the Fed refused to prosecute, so let the locals screw it up.
Think about it...any criminal case that involves a international figure/event like the delegates of NATO, President and dignitaries, is going to be tried in a court that routinely lets out repeat offenders. Why did the Fed charge the Boston Marathon bomber?
I think this trial is more about Chicago politics than it is about justice.
Off topic, 008 officers arrested a man on parole Jan 19th for attempted murder of a Norfolk South Railroad officer. As officers arrived after responding to a "officer in distress" call, the offender had the victim in an MMA style choke hold. 008 officers physically removed the offender w/ force placing him into custody, all the while 2 railroad workers watched in fear w/out assisting. To top it off, the 2 RR workers refused to cooperate w/ detectives until the higher ups stepped in. Oh, and the bad guy was on parole for Armed Robbery, 6 yr sentence, served 2!! Bad guy- Nathan Haywood, convicted felon, received multiple felony charges... Lets see how the ASA's plea this one out. Please keep this case in mind SCC. And officers beware, the thug's learn how to fight and ect... In Prison!
"it should not be a crime being a good socialist or anarchist working for a just world"....why dont you go fuck yourself you leftist commie liberal tree hugging piece of shit. If anybody would have been burned, killed or scarred for life would you have still defended your stupid black block buddies???? God bless Texas!!!! They've got a good handle on how to deal with all sorts of jagoffs including illegal aliens who kill police. Tamayo was put down yesterday like a common stray dog.
Comrade Roeper on Radio Station 890 says even though these guys showed up with duffle bags of swords, knives, Chinese throwing stars it sure sounds like the police coerced them to do it...Turn on Hannity on 560.
OT. Anybody know our union dues for 2013? For tax purposes.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anita already blew this one, the Sun-Times and Tribune are running how bad the prosecutors are doing.
The defense hasn't even said a word and the city seems against the case.
She's throwing this one for political reasons we mere mortals can't figure out yet.
1/23/2014 01:17:00 AM
Did you honestly believe that our socialist political class would want to prosecute their useful idiots for crimes against CPD officers?
Now prosecuting CPD officers, that's an entirely different matter altogether. They'll leave no stone unturned.
But...they were just about to turn their lives around. Ain't one 'em a rapper?
OT:
Ok,ok,ok...Chicago PD might be the worst police show out. I apologize for my previous suggestions that it might actually be an entertaining show. They "detailed" a recruit in the academy to work with the "Intelligence Unit" and he has already had a fatal OIS, just hasn't graduated the academy yet...what is this crap..and it makes Chicago Code look like Hill Streer Blues.
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With over 5 million people watching it, it's not going anywhere. It's here to stay for now. I'm not saying I like it but no one wants to watch coppers disagreeing over a lunch location and a bunch of 19P's for a tour.
Anyone else get a email on their cpd email account from a citywide candidate from her/his cpd email? Thought that was a violation of the Internet usage General Order and also very annoying.
The "Occupy" movement hasn't been heard from since NATO. Good job officers.
OT. Anybody know our union dues for 2013? For tax purposes.
1/23/2014 01:00:00 PM
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Look at your last paycheck for the year.
Wait a minute.. are you that nitwit that lets all your paystubs pile up in the box for 10 months?
Anonymous said...
OT. Anybody know our union dues for 2013? For tax purposes.
1/23/2014 01:00:00 PM
I called FOP They said dues were like $520, but for tx purposes it was $487
Anyone else get a email on their cpd email account from a citywide candidate from her/his cpd email? Thought that was a violation of the Internet usage General Order and also very annoying.
Yes, I received it too. However, I would like to thank PO Kathy McCall of the citywide bums. I have another name of someone NOT to vote for.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT. Anybody know our union dues for 2013? For tax purposes.
1/23/2014 01:00:00 PM
Do you not have ONE paystub receipt? Multiply.
Anonymous said...
Anyone else get a email on their cpd email account from a citywide candidate from her/his cpd email? Thought that was a violation of the Internet usage General Order and also very annoying.
1/23/2014 03:48:00 PM
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Which one of them? I find the entire CityWide Team annoying.
I think they all first met as extras working on the Blues Brothers movie. You remember the bridge scene in Marquette Park?
I KNOW its just a TV show, but couldn't they at least get some basic facts ? They referred to an address on West Carpenter..almost as bad as Chicago Fire with one house responding to locations all over the city.
OT:
Ok,ok,ok...Chicago PD might be the worst police show out. I apologize for my previous suggestions that it might actually be an entertaining show. They "detailed" a recruit in the academy to work with the "Intelligence Unit" and he has already had a fatal OIS, just hasn't graduated the academy yet...what is this crap..and it makes Chicago Code look like Hill Streer Blues.
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With over 5 million people watching it, it's not going anywhere. It's here to stay for now. I'm not saying I like it but no one wants to watch coppers disagreeing over a lunch location and a bunch of 19P's for a tour.
1/23/2014 03:45:00 PM
And how about his "junkie prostitute" informant. I've had a few informants in the years and collectively they didn't have a full set of teeth much less beautiful veneers. Ad any copper that would make dinner reservations at an upscale restaurant so his wife could meet his informant should be beaten.
Anonymous said...
Anyone else get a email on their cpd email account from a citywide candidate from her/his cpd email? Thought that was a violation of the Internet usage General Order and also very annoying.
1/23/2014 03:48:00 PM
Yes, I thought that was wrong. If I want lies and propaganda I'll watch MSNBC. I dont need CITYWIDE.
Anonymous said...
OT. Anybody know our union dues for 2013? For tax purposes.
1/23/2014 01:00:00 PM
Check the website
Bernstein did the same thing by advertising his class on the CPD email.
TV Show : Chicago PD has a really really really bad advisor...I am sure he never was on the job!!
Why is it that NYPD has put out some pretty good shows????
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Guess who the paid advisor is on the chgo pd set?
Phat Phil.
Ain't that a hoot!
Good to see that the "screen out the smart ones" policy is working as well in Chicago as it did in New London. What other industries weed out people for scoring too high on IQ tests?
http://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836
Bridgeport belongs to the people!!! The old Hamburgers are long gone with the Daley's. IIT is planning on building the Obama Libary in Bridgeport. It will be next door the the Al Gore center for Climate Studies.
Anonymous said...
Anita already blew this one, the Sun-Times and Tribune are running how bad the prosecutors are doing.
The defense hasn't even said a word and the city seems against the case.
She's throwing this one for political reasons we mere mortals can't figure out yet.
1/23/2014 01:17:00 AM
Maybe she's not throwing it; maybe it's a shit case.
Gotta suck for the Chicago machine...I mean, prosecuting its base and all...
Anita Alvarez is a joke, wasting a bunch of time and resources for a fancy press release and to make herself look good.
SCC... How about a posting regarding suggestions for an official Chicago mascot? Should be good for a few laughs.
Anonymous said...
I'm a copper and think these three were railroaded.
1/23/2014 11:20:00 AM
I find it very hard to believe you are a copper but very easy to believe you are a moron.
Anonymous said...
Anita already blew this one, the Sun-Times and Tribune are running how bad the prosecutors are doing...
Relax gel hair, the case will either stand or fall. The media has to sell a headline, it's their job.
As long as the cop wrote his paper correctly, and did his job correctly there are no problems.
The rest of it falls on the jury.
Get used to it, or your going to have a really long and slow career.
Anonymous said...
TV Show : Chicago PD has a really really really bad advisor...I am sure he never was on the job!!
Why is it that NYPD has put out some pretty good shows????
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Guess who the paid advisor is on the chgo pd set?
Phat Phil.
Ain't that a hoot!
1/23/2014 07:55:00 PM
Ha! "Phat Phil"!
That piece of shit and his sperm...useless as a tits on a bull.
Actually, worse; that asshole is still making money off of us.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT. Anybody know our union dues for 2013? For tax purposes.
1/23/2014 01:00:00 PM
Do you not have ONE paystub receipt? Multiply.
1/23/2014 06:15:00 PM
Oh Jesus Christ, $522.00
Bernstein did the same thing by advertising his class on the CPD email.
1/23/2014 07:39:00 PM
Had no idea Bernstein had a CPD email.
SCC... How about a posting regarding suggestions for an official Chicago mascot? Should be good for a few laughs.
1/23/2014 10:58:00 PM
Maybe a giant cell phone? The flash mobs can attack the mascot and leave the tourist alone.
Anonymous said...
Here we go again, throwing shit at Jody Weis, the only guy that came along for a long time to do the CPD right. Street lights screws the CPD and no one yells or disses him like Weis was.
Jody is one honest dude and always did the department right.
Jody was the best. Bring him back. Agreed.
1/23/2014 08:21:00 PM
Whom ever the fuck wrote this last comment: F U C K Y O U !!!!!
Remember Cozzi.
Y O U S T U P I D F U C K !!!!!
Time considered served. Go back to the Frat House.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Bernstein did the same thing by advertising his class on the CPD email.
1/23/2014 07:39:00 PM
Had no idea Bernstein had a CPD email.
1/23/2014 11:40:00 PM
You see in this email thing you can send and receive email from anyone in the known universe that has an internet connection. It isn't just within the CPD. I could send an email from my chicagopolice.org account to the administrator of an Asian porn site in Bangkok. Or to my wife, if they both have an email account.
Just checked my department email and low and behold, there is an email talking about the Citywide Ticket including their website. Does anyone know how I can let the FOP know about this since most of the people there are on this ticket. Tired of these guys thinking the rules don't apply to them.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
I'm a copper and think these three were railroaded.
1/23/2014 11:20:00 AM
I find it very hard to believe you are a copper but very easy to believe you are a moron.
1/23/2014 11:05:00 PM
Being a 'copper' and being a moron are not mutually exclusive. Same for aldermen, priests, truck drivers, doctors etc etc etc.
That being said while I don't think the NATO 3 were 'railroaded' I do think they were dropped off at the station and handed a timetable. At best I would expect a mixed verdict or them being acquitted entirely. If they are found guilty of any charges I hope the judge orders haircuts and the removal of any ninja stars, bow and arrows and any video games they may have.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Bernstein did the same thing by advertising his class on the CPD email.
1/23/2014 07:39:00 PM
Had no idea Bernstein had a CPD email.
1/23/2014 11:40:00 PM
Do you honestly think no one can send an email to your cpd account unless THEY have a cpd account?
Please join the rest of us in the 21st century.
I'm a cop and believe these three were railroaded. These "coppers" testifying are going to be hung out to dry. What a nonsense case.
1/23/2014 11:20:00 AM
I find it very hard to believe you are a copper but very easy to believe you are a moron.
1/23/2014 11:05:00 PM
Being a 'copper' and being a moron are not mutually exclusive. Same for aldermen, priests, truck drivers, doctors etc etc etc.
1/24/2014 01:48:00 PM
There is no implication that they are mutually exclusive. My statement describes two separate assessments. Thanks anyway though.
You see in this email thing you can send and receive email from anyone in the known universe that has an internet connection. It isn't just within the CPD. I could send an email from my chicagopolice.org account to the administrator of an Asian porn site in Bangkok. Or to my wife, if they both have an email account.
1/24/2014 05:38:00 AM
No shit fuckhead. I'm your universe you can click "all" and send emails to everyone in the world? No you can't. I never received an Email from Bernstein on my department email. I did receive one on my personal email, because that was the email I gave him. You figure it out geek squad.
No shit fuckhead. I'm your universe you can click "all" and send emails to everyone in the world? No you can't. I never received an Email from Bernstein on my department email. I did receive one on my personal email, because that was the email I gave him. You figure it out geek squad.
1/24/2014 06:50:00 PM
It's very easy to legally get a list of police officers' names. And you realize your email address is your name, right? No one has to GIVE them your email address. It's just that easy.
Anonymous said...
You see in this email thing you can send and receive email from anyone in the known universe that has an internet connection. It isn't just within the CPD. I could send an email from my chicagopolice.org account to the administrator of an Asian porn site in Bangkok. Or to my wife, if they both have an email account.
1/24/2014 05:38:00 AM
No shit fuckhead. I'm your universe you can click "all" and send emails to everyone in the world? No you can't. I never received an Email from Bernstein on my department email. I did receive one on my personal email, because that was the email I gave him. You figure it out geek squad.
1/24/2014 06:50:00 PM
I have it figured out you Cro-Magnon cretin. When the department send everyone a message do you think they have some mope sit there and type in 12,000 email addresses? There is a way to send to all but you need to read Advanced Internet for Dummies first.
It is a shit case.
The undercover coppers are total fuckups.
They fucked this case up big time.
Even more, the supervisors who put these wonders undercover for a case like this are bigger fuckups.
Do you not have ONE paystub receipt? Multiply.
1/23/2014 06:15:00 PM
Oh Jesus Christ, $522.00
1/23/2014 11:40:00 PM
Not quite accurate. $487 is the real figure. Must have some benefit given for the rest. Right from FOP I'm sure you can put down $522.00 and it wont be questioned
Instead of reading the paper. Come to court and listen to
The evidence and what thes jags wanted to do to you! Oh maybe you're a house mouse then you probably
Hid behind a desk at NATO. Whose side are you on?.
There was no case until These idiots approached the coppers.
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