Police Board Rejects Deal?
- In an unusual move, the Chicago Police Board has rejected a proposed deal under which a police sergeant had agreed to be suspended for 60 days because his gun was used in the shooting death of a Northwest Side woman four years ago.
The police board scrapped the deal that police Supt. Garry McCarthy had struck with Sgt. Steven Lesner.
Instead, the eight-member panel of mayoral appointees has ordered a full inquiry into the events that led to Catherine Weiland’s death, Max Caproni, the board’s executive director, said Tuesday.
An mutually agreed upon disciplinary action and the Police Board rejects it? That means some big politics involved behind the scenes. Stay tuned for this one. Perhaps some clout will be outed at some point.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
114 Comments:
Sgt. LS is a goof, merit hack and should be fired.
Bizarre.
It was already investigated. No criminal action found. Bet he gets his lost time back and another promotion.
One name. Sam Christiansen
Speaking of sergeants, did they get their retroactive pay today? My sgt said he thinks so.
Lesner better start dusting off his resume…he's done.
The Rahmster sees this as another way to peel away at the police budget. Another senior salary and pension contribution that he won't have to paid.
It's also a message that any victims of a theft of a gun can get screwed by the city if that gun is used to kill or hurt someone. So Rahm is saying DON'T OWN A GUN!
I'm saying Screw Rahm and McCarthy!
can't say he didn't fuck-up bad...
Should be Fired!! Period
This doesn't mean clout will be outed. It just means the rulers of the kangaroo court behind the banana republic known as Chicago want to show who's boss...
get his name right, it's Raham.
McCarthy has a soft spot in his drunken crooked heart for officers who get in trouble with booze, women or their guns. But he tried to fire an entire tac team from 002 years after they made a drug arrest where the guy arrested was convicted in court because his Momma's rights were supposedly violated on a consent to searcch form.
Careful Fellas - Keep the personal vendettas out of this one step back and look without a skewed eye at this. We are subject to the same disciplinary process as this Sgt. is under. The crime scene was investigated three times and declared the situation was a suicide. He admitted poor judgment for some events that happened which gave him the 60 days. We have all made bad decisions but firing is excessive. 60 days was an appropriate sentence for the mistakes.
What was Sam Christiansen thinking when he made this softball. Mention his name at skokie court
ANd . . . Just who is paying for this "Police Board ordered" inquiry?
Wasn't this already investigated?
Under what authority can the Police Board order this?
Just to be clear, I don't know this Sgt. nor do I give a rats a$$ about him. I am concerned about my $$$ that this board oversees.
This isn't a move to save Lesner, it's an attempt to fire him! And everyone knows that hillbilly, dumbshit Sam Christian was his merit clout. If I were his daughter I'd change my name.
Those hacks on the board don't even read the file!
Most are wealthy or clouted!
Tiny Dancer loves to throw wrenches into anything that he feels makes him look like the pond scum he is.
Kinda reminds me of a certain case Weis had. Then the Feds come in and want to be a hero and give out hard time for accidents.
Speaking of Feds wat up with the moron who left his equipment in his unmarked vehicle with wiretap equipment?
The make a report by 311 c'mon stroke why the cover up.
Lesner is just a goof. What about Breamon? There goes a real criminal...Oh wait, he has family and clout. Poor Steve
Good riddance!, merit boy.
It really sets a bad precedent
Try to secure both your guns at all times. Don't let the little head think for the big head.
Fire the bitch already
It was rejected because the board is looking tomhavenhim fired.
I wouldn't want to have any contact with him if I was a victim of a crime or a officer under his supervision. He F***ed up and now he has to pay the price.
He had diarrhea of the mouth since the day one of the academy.
He was made merit Sgt by Sam Christiansen due to his extremely high activity.
HE WAS A GOOF, I hope he calmed down after that incident.
You're fired.
Speaking of sergeants, did they get their retroactive pay today? My sgt said he thinks so.
1/22/2014 12:54:00 AM
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Got special employment pay only with NO 6% (sergeants) raise in it.
What gives?
He should of been fired! Goofball
OT: Did McCarthy announce size of last sergeants class from old list? I know he's been conducted interviews.
WHO DID THE GOOD SGT.CALL FIRST? That's the issue and when the public sees it LS will be out of a job and he should be out of a job for his callous conduct Following The Incident.
And who shall investigate this, the police board, states attrny, ISP, independent consule, aka Webb, hmmmm
Lets drag this out longer so as to paint this as ugly as possible, rite? Y even allow the initial process to start & conclude if The Board knew that this was gonna B handled w/a rejection? Rahm just wants to use this singular incident to show The City he has us on a real tight leesh.
Clout? No shit, really?
Three generations of Chicago Police Officers in my family never, ever appeared as a respondent before the police board. No one ever followed a woman home, fucked her, and had their gun used in her suicide. No one stole money, or disrobed and photographed a female on a traffic stop, groped a convenience store clerk, or worked security for the outfit or drug dealers. We lose all credibility and respect when we allow the goofs who do these things to remain on the job.
There is not a police department in the country, with the exception of Robbins and Harvey, that would allow this sergeant to keep his job.
Anonymous said...
Sgt. LS is a goof, merit hack and should be fired.
1/22/2014 12:07:00 AM
I think you mean Sgt. S.L. .
why don't all of you ball less jagoffs who know nothing about this case keep your pie holes shut? Here is a guy who fucked up..admittedly so and has to live with it ..lost his marriage , his kids, his home and filed chapter 7..he has ZERO / Nothing. His kids suffer because of his mistake and now after all was said and done he reappears in the SCUM times and is stripped because some media hack writes a story about his situation?? So am I to believe a Sgt with 20 years on the job who committed NO CRIMINAL ACT and has been previously suspended for this incident is being tried in the media and now by his peers because of "Failure to secure his weapon"?? That is a rule violation NOT a criminal offense...YES it is tragic what resulted and the Sgt had no previous knowledge of this woman's past mental history of suicidal attempts or mental illnesses. He is guilty of leaving his weapon unattended when he went to the washroom and had no intent for this woman to act as she did. The Sgt is being tried now on this web site when he is fighting for his job?? He did NOTHING wrong.. he didn't molest anyone like other Sgt's have been accused of.. he didn't sell any dope or rob anyone.. He used poor judgment and left his weapon on the floor which gave this nutjob the ability to finally succeed in her previous failed attempts to kill herself!! There is evidence of this woman's mental history for all of you judges out there who throw one of our own under the bus so willingly. What about the countless number of officers who have left their weapons unsecured in their homes and had their wives, kids etc use that weapon to commit suicide?? what were they guilty of? Seems to me the very same thing this Sgt may be guilty of?? "Failing to properly secure his weapon" but the only thing they had on their side was they didn't have some hack newspaper writer with an agenda writing about their incident! Why don't you people who are leaving these messages about the Sgt and a situation you obviously know NOTHING about, except what you heard in the bar from another officer who also knows nothing about this incident, alone? You are making things much worse for him as is the newspaper hack. This Sgt served his suspension of 30 days and has to live with his choices...he has nothing left and just wants to go on with his career unmolested. SCC you would be better served to remove this thread altogether for the benefit of the Sgt and his case. This is not news...this was a case that was finished and he was back to full duty status working on the street for 2 years until it reappeared in the paper for some reason?? Leave the guy alone he is suffering enough. Leave him alone. Thank you.
What about Cozzi? Wasn't that punishment originally agreed upon? Then he went to prison.
Nice way to stand behind a copper guys. You are the reason this job had gone to shit. Cooter said
Sgts got their raises on the 16th
Is it true he left the scene and came back to call the police?
Anonymous said...
Speaking of sergeants, did they get their retroactive pay today? My sgt said he thinks so.
1/22/2014 12:54:00 AM
No, we didn't. You sergeant is a goof. That will come on a regular payday, the 1st or 16th. What he probably got was any kind of OT, VRI, etc.
Pay to Play, the Chicago Way !
Pay to Play, the Chicago Way !
I agree with the board. He should be fired and held accountable. A message needs to be sent, your firearm is not a toy to be taken for granted. Protect you weapon and think twice with the "bigger head!"
If that sgt is still using Fitzsimmons as his attorney, he is fucked. If he wants to stay out of prison, he better dump Fitzy boy and get a real attorney.
Look at the the contracts the Police Board members have with the city, the board of Education, the state of Illinois, etc....., they run 1-3 person companies but are actually subcontracting out city, state, and county contracts. In fact hearing officer Thomas E. Johnson who used to run the Uptown peoples law center that used to sue police officers, and the city, represents the financial interests of Smiths Enterprises, which is owned and run by police board member, retired Sgt. Arthur Smith, the longest serving police board member. And if you really want to dig, look at all the real estate deals that have been made between some board members, property in Kenwood, the south shore, city property, etc.... All done and finalized with the services of Thomas E. Johnson and his law firm which just happens to share the same Wabash address as does Arthur Smiths company, A. Smith Enterprises...... What a coincidence.....
And there go the negative guys/gals again! We werent there and was it probably not cool to deal with a nutty woman who he met at a job. Yes , I agree but he was not charged and it was investigated in fact it was under former Supt FBI guy. If there was anything to charge the Weisel or his buddy Peter Brust would have found it. The police Board does have the right to see information and also to up any penalties to include termination.
Most of us have no knowledge what goes on at the Board . That is sad because today a witness tomorrow an accused. KNOW YOU CONTRACT AND VIEW THAT POLICE BOARD WEBSITE AND IPRA AS WELL. The cases are in pdf files and tell you whats what and how that Board thinks. They are not on the money many many times.
This whole incident, as told too us is not Kosher. Say good night Sgt **********
You pee pee caused this incident. Shame on you,
Very bad judgement! I don't know him, but I bet he wasn't a good sgt.
It's Sam Christian not Christinsen
One name. Sam Christiansen
1/22/2014 12:51:00 AM
Isn't that two names?
If it gets in the paper enough times, they will go the distance to punish you.
Right or Wrong. Stupid decision or not.
Criminal or Civil.
If it gets enough Ink, Bend Over.
Question is would a P.O. have received the same deal McJag gave to Lessner. Probably not.
Great guy. Coached my kids in football and baseball. He already paid for his mistake.
This was supposed to be done with over a year ago. Now it gets kicked back up and sensationalized. Does anyone really need to think too hard to wonder why?
What was Sam Christiansen....Is he pickled yet or still a cherry red
1/22/2014 11:02:00 AM
He lost everything because of the choices HE and he alone made! Don't blame SCC or anyone else, this guy needs to look in the mirror.
I, as have many other officers, given citizens rides home due to a myriad of reasons, yet I've never returned after duty hours with beer & wine to continue the interaction.
Sorry but regardless of the media hacks, this does give us all a black eye.
If he would've thought beforehand of the possible consequences (disregard the suicide), he'd be fine.
Please THINK people!
BE SAFE!
Little Birdie says...
a Confidential CR may have been obtained on the "dime dropper" in this incident to the suntimes. It seems it stems back to his district and if proved those that leaked could suffer rule 2 (discredit). Leaks from IAD are being looked into as well that informed on sgts investigation to 017 folks......hold everything! A computer in the DSS office may prove to be the key...delete delete delete next time boys
Word was the staff at 017 wanted to help Novak and Fusco even with Koschman as they are getting kickbacks sharing facebook pictures and reports addresses so the times could find sgt to get their pictures in july 2013 etc
Anonymous No 6% on VRI check? said...
Speaking of sergeants, did they get their retroactive pay today? My sgt said he thinks so.
1/22/2014 12:54:00 AM
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Got special employment pay only with NO 6% (sergeants) raise in it.
What gives?
1/22/2014 08:30:00 AM
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Yes
There was the 6% raise on the 16th paycheck but NOT in today's VRI paycheck.
perhaps that will be on the "retro paycheck" ..... which will come any day now ? [sarcasm]
Anonymous said...
ANd . . . Just who is paying for this "Police Board ordered" inquiry?
Wasn't this already investigated?
Under what authority can the Police Board order this?
Just to be clear, I don't know this Sgt. nor do I give a rats a$$ about him. I am concerned about my $$$ that this board oversees.
1/22/2014 06:51:00 AM
Your joking...right?
Under their own authority!
He is a jerk, an asshole and a goof. But he was already punished...and punished again. So, it should be over. Don't cheer against him. the Sun Times is the prosecutor here.
SCC, I love the blog but this thread should be taken down. This post will only harm the whole CPD. Nothing good will ever come from all these post. I hate seeing people bash and bash this officer and the situation. This thread will just pit one another against each other and in my opinion we as in blue shirts need to unite and focus on pensions and our contract. Please consider taking this thread down. To all officers, just know that shit happens. We all as officers and as humans make and are going to make un wise decisions and mistakes. This Sgt has suffered as has the family of the women. Please take this down and we need to not exert our useful energy and time towards a matter that does not effect us. We need to support one another and know that one day we could be in a bad situation. God Bless the CPD and please be safe and go back home to your loved ones.
Call deputy Sam , he will get you out of this jam
Nice way to stand behind a copper guys. You are the reason this job had gone to shit. Cooter said
1/22/2014 11:33:00 AM
I can't. Sgt is an example of how clout not only gets u promoted but gets u out of a jam. Coppers got fired for stealing $0.99 bags of trail mix. And this guy not only avoids prison, but gets his job back?
1/22/2014 11:02:00 AM Poster...I personally don't know the Sgt or probably for that matter-you but appreciate you standing up for the guy.
That's old school...
To the others-you don't have to like the guy or go to his house for shish-ka-bob...
Just stand together and watch each others back.
Good guy/bad guy-that guy goes thru hell every single day.
How would you feel?
Anonymous said...
why don't all of you ball less jagoffs who know nothing about this case keep your pie holes shut? Here is a guy who fucked up..admittedly so and has to live with it ..lost his marriage , his kids, his home and filed chapter 7..he has ZERO / Nothing. His kids suffer because of his mistake and now after all was said and done he reappears in the SCUM times and is stripped because some media hack writes a story about his situation?? So am I to believe a Sgt with 20 years on the job who committed NO CRIMINAL ACT and has been previously suspended for this incident is being tried in the media and now by his peers because of "Failure to secure his weapon"?? That is a rule violation NOT a criminal offense...YES it is tragic what resulted and the Sgt had no previous knowledge of this woman's past mental history of suicidal attempts or mental illnesses. He is guilty of leaving his weapon unattended when he went to the washroom and had no intent for this woman to act as she did. The Sgt is being tried now on this web site when he is fighting for his job?? He did NOTHING wrong.. he didn't molest anyone like other Sgt's have been accused of.. he didn't sell any dope or rob anyone.. He used poor judgment and left his weapon on the floor which gave this nutjob the ability to finally succeed in her previous failed attempts to kill herself!! There is evidence of this woman's mental history for all of you judges out there who throw one of our own under the bus so willingly. What about the countless number of officers who have left their weapons unsecured in their homes and had their wives, kids etc use that weapon to commit suicide?? what were they guilty of? Seems to me the very same thing this Sgt may be guilty of?? "Failing to properly secure his weapon" but the only thing they had on their side was they didn't have some hack newspaper writer with an agenda writing about their incident! Why don't you people who are leaving these messages about the Sgt and a situation you obviously know NOTHING about, except what you heard in the bar from another officer who also knows nothing about this incident, alone? You are making things much worse for him as is the newspaper hack. This Sgt served his suspension of 30 days and has to live with his choices...he has nothing left and just wants to go on with his career unmolested. SCC you would be better served to remove this thread altogether for the benefit of the Sgt and his case. This is not news...this was a case that was finished and he was back to full duty status working on the street for 2 years until it reappeared in the paper for some reason?? Leave the guy alone he is suffering enough. Leave him alone. Thank you.
1/22/2014 11:02:00 AM
Steve is a fucking goof. He thought with his little dick.
60 days is plenty for rules violated but don't forget there is a woman that is dead. Where in the disciplinary schedule does that fall. This is not about someone violating a rule or two this is about responsibility and accountability. The post stating this sergeant hasn't lost everything already leaves out the fact a woman is dead because of his poor choices and mistakes. Ask yourself if this was you daughter or family member do you think their life was worth more than 60 days.
I get grief for 35 min lunches or asking for lunch on the end. I am sorry but this one doesn't pass the smell test. It's almost like there are 2 separate police Depts and your opinion of this incident depends on which one you work for. All I know is after my tour I'm not looking over my shoulder for Pam Zekman.
Let the powers that be judge him if it comes to that. Let us not add to the rumors. We are all supposed to be brothers in blue. Lets act like it. We may not like him, but lets not indict him. She lost her life, He lost his family. It was poor judgement. It was not criminal. Yes I know him, I work with him and I will support him. Hang in there.
Worked in 015 w/ SL on midnights for a few periods. Great guy and great copper. Hope things work out for u.
Here we go again, throwing shit at Jody Weis, the only guy that came along for a long time to do the CPD right. Street lights screws the CPD and no one yells or disses him like Weis was.
Jody is one honest dude and always did the department right.
For those on you on the force that seems to want to give this guy a pass....imagine if this guy was not a cop....would u overlook all the questionable lapses in judgement he has committed? Did he behave without suspicion after carelessly leaving his gun in front room? Why wash your hands in the 2 minutes it took for police to arrive on the scene? Not sure I would be concerned about washing my hands in the interim.....and it is even more questionable considering even if so inclined, he definitely knew better and should have held off on hand washing so as to not confuse his innocence! Well....unless he was not certain of his innocence.
11:02 AM
I couldn't agree more!
No fucking P.O. would get 60 days for driving girl home after picking up booze...get off work drink fuck and not secure weapon....oops washed my hands after picking up girl on a domestic....yeah ok...P.O. would have been gone!!! Good guy...yeah ok...let him supervise you and maybe you can go on a panty raid personal at some old lady Bingo night.. He coaches my kids...he is a good guy...stroke!!!
The victim in this is NOT the SGT, and it's not the dead woman either (she did it by choice). The victim is the SGTs family. No clout was used in this matter. It was a rule violation. The media turned it into something that is not actionable by IPRA.
Anonymous said...
Three generations of Chicago Police Officers in my family never, ever appeared as a respondent before the police board. No one ever followed a woman home, fucked her, and had their gun used in her suicide. No one stole money, or disrobed and photographed a female on a traffic stop, groped a convenience store clerk, or worked security for the outfit or drug dealers. We lose all credibility and respect when we allow the goofs who do these things to remain on the job.
1/22/2014 10:29:00 AM
Oh wow, look not only are you perfect, but your whole family is perfect. You and your whole family have never made any mistakes. Just perfect and now you are going to judge someone who didn't do anything wrong.
Do you know what all of this comes down to? Guys who lack confidence in themselves to attract a woman. If the only way to get laid is for you to hit on a drunk woman, or to get a woman drunk then you are pathetic. You don't know how to meet and attract a woman. Nothing wrong with that and to be honest, you can learn how to attract women. I am not going to judge the man because I do not know all of the facts. He made a mistake and paid for it and it looks like he will be fired. Let God be the judge.
It's Sam Christian not Christinsen
1/22/2014 02:02:00 PM
I heard his birth name is Samuel VonChristmastionsen
Anonymous said...
And who shall investigate this, the police board, states attrny, ISP, independent consule, aka Webb, hmmmm
1/22/2014 08:56:00 AM
In Illinois?NOBODY!
Who Watches the Watcher
You are the reason this job had gone to shit. Cooter said
1/22/2014 11:33:00 AM
The job started to go to shit when we couldn't DC mopes on the street anymore. That was around 1999-2000.
Since then it rolled downhill.
This incident doesn't help.
Bring jody back
Don't know the guy don't know the incident. What I do know is the Police Board, having been railroaded once in my career. Been there to defend my job and been there as a character witness for P.O.'s I supervised. If anybody on this job believes that the Police Board or the Department is ever "fair and impartial" and legit in handing out discipline then you are truly a naive moron who should be anywhere but on CPD.
For all those who judge or who think they are so good and holy and will never be screwed by this department or some politically connected boss and end up before the Police Board you better wake up.
All those ribbons and honorables mean nothing when you get tricked bagged and it's your turn in the barrel. All you got is each other and to watch fellow coppers eat their own is a sad day for this old-timer. I know what I'm talking about been there done that you just better hope your day never comes.
Was once proud to be CPD and loved the job now after all these years I've learned and hope to live long enough and forget I was ever part of this city and this jag off job.
Steve is a goof. Not a bad guy, but certainly never should have been a sergeant. He does not deserve to be fired for this. Enough is enough. Let's start sticking up for what's fair.
Jody Weiss defender : ask cozzi
Come on scc. Why rehash all this gloom. this entire story is as depressing as this January's weather has been.
We are held to a higher standard, as we should be. This behavior is immoral and unethical and his credibility and judgment have been demonstrated to be poor enough that he should not be a police officer any longer. He's certainly not the police Sergeant I want leading and mentoring other officers. And he is definitely not the officer I want responding if I or my family call for help.
They meet once a month at 35th st / Go there and pose questions to them. They get the green light to do what they want. No one challenges them and lets them know they are being watched as are their actions and decisions....
The job started to go to shit when we couldn't DC mopes on the street anymore. That was around 1999-2000. 1/22/2014 11:16:00 PM
Wrong, started when they took away the mag lights, car chases, added merit promotions and the development of video cameras. You can't always do this job effectively by the book, sometimes you needed to bend the rules to get results or make a point. With cameras everywhere, the days of bending the rules are over!
All those ribbons and honorables mean nothing when you get tricked bagged and it's your turn in the barrel. All you got is each other and to watch fellow coppers eat their own is a sad day for this old-timer. I know what I'm talking about been there done that you just better hope your day never comes.
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They do take your ribbons and honorables in consideration. Read a couple of decisions and PB has not fired people based on their comp history.
Don't listen to this person. Keep getting awards. They may save your job one day.
The Police Board used to give fair hearings. Things changed immediately after the below article was printed.
Just another example of the stupid moves of the Shields/Dougherty crew.
BY FRAN SPIELMANCity Hall Reporterfspielman@suntimes.comLast Modified: Oct 11, 2011 02:34AMThe Fraternal Order of Police is urging Mayor Rahm Emanuel to disband the Chicago Police Board and send disciplinary cases involving police officers to arbitration — one month after reforms designed to shine the light on the board’s secretive proceedings.FOP President Mike Shields argued that more than $1 million a year could be saved — including office rent and hearing officer pay — if independent arbitrators replaced the nine-member board.The Police Board decides disciplinary cases in which the police superintendent is seeking to discharge or suspend an officer for more than 30 days as well as cases where the superintendent and the Independent Police Review Authority disagree. Suspensions ranging from six to 30 days are also reviewed upon request.“It has nothing to do with fairness. It’s just too expensive,” Shields said
To the jag bag who mentioned three generations of police in his family. Just like your family has no idea what you actually do on a daily basis, you have no clue what they really did or didn't do either. Do you really think if your grandfather grabbed a double saw buck off of someone or got a header off of some hottie he met at work he'd tell Grandma and the kids about it at the dinner table? Everyone, including you and your pristine relatives, has made poor decisions and done things they wish they hadn't. Unless your name is Jesus (without a surname) you really need to stfu and stop judging this guy.
should be fired , wouldn't want him as a supervisor
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Three generations of Chicago Police Officers in my family never, ever appeared as a respondent before the police board. No one ever followed a woman home, fucked her, and had their gun used in her suicide. No one stole money, or disrobed and photographed a female on a traffic stop, groped a convenience store clerk, or worked security for the outfit or drug dealers. We lose all credibility and respect when we allow the goofs who do these things to remain on the job.
1/22/2014 10:29:00 AM
Oh wow, look not only are you perfect, but your whole family is perfect. You and your whole family have never made any mistakes. Just perfect and now you are going to judge someone who didn't do anything wrong.
1/22/2014 09:14:00 PM
No, goof, I'm not saying we're perfect. But we have a more highly developed sense of right and wrong than this moron, or the other aforementioned morons, and you.
iad has kept this investigation open for 4 years--- the superintendent is on public record stating that 60 days is a sufficient suspension for sgt lesners department rules violations--- why are they fu&*ing with steve--- rahm made a phone call and wants him off the job--- the corporation counsel also wants him off the job--- sorry steve, you will soon be off the job because the emperor says so....
Anonymous said...
ANd . . . Just who is paying for this "Police Board ordered" inquiry?
Wasn't this already investigated?
Under what authority can the Police Board order this?
Just to be clear, I don't know this Sgt. nor do I give a rats a$$ about him. I am concerned about my $$$ that this board oversees.
1/22/2014 06:51:00 AM
Are you confusing the Police Board with the Pension Board?
unless you worked for LS than you have no idea what kind of incompetence you are dealing with, he is not supervisor material. I think all those making comments should just hope for the best outcome in this type of situation. The best outcome might be his removal from the job before he influences a new batch of rookie cops with his style of reckless policing that comes from knowing your clout will get you out of trouble. I worked with him in 025 on midnights, he was a reckless sgt who has his own way of doing things.
It's amazing how thinking with that dumb little head can cause us guys so much trouble.
Hey "Little Birdie" Enough with the silly rumors. All of this is being Orchestrated from one place and one place only. It comes from the guy we should never trust...he is an outsider, doing the bidding of an irrate Mayor who is using any and all scandalls to tear us apart. And lo and behold...here we are doing just that to ourselves and our own. Let's stand together and go after those that persecute us. It could, may and from the looksof it, will be, one of us in the future if we dont stand together now. Let us show McMoron & A$$ Rham. That will no longer play this game. That their time is coming. Enough Said!
Got to admit the deal really let him off the hook. I'm a cop who isn't perfect but that suspension for what he did was a joke.
I stand behind, next to, in front of honorable cops. Not ASSHOLES who don't think with their brain instead of their dicks.NSTFU
My problem is that if a citizen did what this goof did you would seek to have him criminally punished (not securing his weapon). When a cop does it, we're suppose to close our brains and eyes and have a pep rally for him. Please EAT ME !
If this sgt is let go of this type of lying, altering a crime scene and his involvement with a customer that was involved in a domestic, it would just set a bad precedence. I do not like how this department takes care of the supervisors when cases like this, then even promotes them and yet a regular patrolman with no rank or juice gets crucified and fired for less. He lied in the death of an individual and for that he should be put in jail. I tell people all the time, do not get involve with people you get to service at work. Get your dates elsewhere. Obviously they got problems, why would anyone risk their career? Embarrass their family? And loose their source of income? This Steve put himself there and if you can't do the job without discipline about your personal desires while on the clock, then you shouldn't be on this job.
...All those ribbons and honorables mean nothing when you get tricked bagged and it's your turn in the barrel.
Are you kidding me? SL got "trick bagged"? How about NOT picking up a drunk on a domestic, how about NOT plying her with MORE alcohol, how about NOT going over to her house when you have a wife at home, how about NOT banging her and leaving your gun on the table when you go to wash your pee pee so your wife won't suspect anything. Explain again how he was "tricked bagged" (as you call it)
Anonymous said...
We are held to a higher standard, as we should be. This behavior is immoral and unethical and his credibility and judgment have been demonstrated to be poor enough that he should not be a police officer any longer. He's certainly not the police Sergeant I want leading and mentoring other officers. And he is definitely not the officer I want responding if I or my family call for help.
1/23/2014 02:00:00 AM
As a retired police officer with 34 years of service, I agree with the above statement. However, I worked in police HQ for 4 years and I saw what happens to the accused in even worse cases if the accused is connected. There is no standard within the internal discipline system that applies to all individuals, no baseline. Many exempts have been accused of felonies and faced little or no punishment. Drunken driving? Exempts have smashed up their take home cars while so drunk they could not stand and little or nothing happened to them. One crashed his car into a light post directly in front of the 911 building.
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McCarthy has a soft spot in his drunken crooked heart for officers who get in trouble with booze, women or their guns. But he tried to fire an entire tac team from 002 years after they made a drug arrest where the guy arrested was convicted in court because his Momma's rights were supposedly violated on a consent to searcch form.
1/22/2014 05:27:00 AM
As a side note to this comment, there have been cases in which NYPD members have been charged and convicted of burglary in such incidents. Sad, but true. Everything is not like it is in this town.
Is not about crucifing this Sgt. But, he is the prime example on how this department handles investigations for supervisors towards a regular patrolman. I actually believe that a supervisor who is supposed to be an example and yet fails to adhere to common sense to be that example, should not be on this job. I also believe that a patrolman given on occasions (depending on their issues) could be saved and given a chance, yet this department would get rid of those patrolmen in a heartbeat. I have witnessed two individuals stand stand similar investigations, needless to say the regular patrolman, they got terminated while the supervisor the investigation went no where and still on the job. When you have a corrupt leader, it does no good to keep them. To see this department reward leaders with taking care of their investigations that range from stalking, robbing, lying, altering crime scenes and so forth, shouldn't be tolerated. You can't have unfair investigation processes. This Sgt put himself there. When you are a leader, you need to mind your behavior and if you can't, do everyone a favor and get another job. I have no pity, this Sgt has the power to initiate CRs, makes a six figure salary and make a good/bad tours for other officers, he had it all and therefore, he destroyed his cushion position, himself. We can't have unequal investigation processes, it's unfair and beyond reproach.
To the jag bag who mentioned three generations of police in his family. Just like your family has no idea what you actually do on a daily basis, you have no clue what they really did or didn't do either. Do you really think if your grandfather grabbed a double saw buck off of someone or got a header off of some hottie he met at work he'd tell Grandma and the kids about it at the dinner table? Everyone, including you and your pristine relatives, has made poor decisions and done things they wish they hadn't. Unless your name is Jesus (without a surname) you really need to stfu and stop judging this guy.
Well, I have on occasion stayed at my lunch location five nor ten minutes after clearing myself. I got caught by Pappas without a hat on checking out a loud outside ringer at 3 AM. And neither myself nor anyone else in the family did, or would even think of doing what this idiot did. Yeah, I can sleep st night and not worry about misdeeds. I'd fire him tomorrow.
McCarthy has a soft spot in his drunken crooked heart for officers who get in trouble with booze, women or their guns. But he tried to fire an entire tac team from 002 years after they made a drug arrest where the guy arrested was convicted in court because his Momma's rights were supposedly violated on a consent to searcch form.
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That was an IPRA case not an IAD case.
I remember a sgt. Back in the day who befriended a 23 yr old girl from park ridge while he was living in Catherine Courts. Was drinking at the Northwoods with her then they got into an argument and she left, went back to his apt. Where she was staying. He left shortly thereafter and found her with a gunshot wound to her head, doa. What did this sgt. Do first? Picked up his gun and cleaned up the scene. Who did he call first? We'll it was Deputy Chief Delopez, then 1st deputy John Thomas, then 911. We'll not only did he not take any time he went to the Airport, where he eventually (at least 10 yrs alter)was called down for a drug test and breathalyzer and blew .04 Got sent home then 2-3 days later smashed into 2-4 parked cars in NORRIDGE and tried to flee. We'll the citizens held him for the police where he got locked up then retired. So it goes to show you, if you gots the right call your in the good, if not you or thrown under the bus. Just remember its "Earned , not Given".....
Here we go again, throwing shit at Jody Weis, the only guy that came along for a long time to do the CPD right. Street lights screws the CPD and no one yells or disses him like Weis was.
Jody is one honest dude and always did the department right.
Jody was the best. Bring him back. Agreed.
Finally, someone speaks the truth! Cameras have fucked this job up. Just ask the guys from the 79th/Vincennes incident.
Anonymous said...
The job started to go to shit when we couldn't DC mopes on the street anymore. That was around 1999-2000. 1/22/2014 11:16:00 PM
Wrong, started when they took away the mag lights, car chases, added merit promotions and the development of video cameras. You can't always do this job effectively by the book, sometimes you needed to bend the rules to get results or make a point. With cameras everywhere, the days of bending the rules are over!
Here we go again, throwing shit at Jody Weis, the only guy that came along for a long time to do the CPD right. Street lights screws the CPD and no one yells or disses him like Weis was.
Jody is one honest dude and always did the department right
No one disses McCarthy? Are you kidding? No matter what he does,he gets dissed. Two guys in 015 were stripped and going to get fired and he made it go away. It was in the FOP newsletter and everyone on the blog says so what, one thing he does.
Wow! Someone on one of the other tickets must really be afraid of Dougherty. Now they're trying to attach him to Shields? Give me a fucking break. These two never were a team and never will be a team. You guys have nothing and are grasping at straws. Funny thing is, these same guys were Shields supporters now they are using him to get at Bill. Just fucking pathetic.
Do you know what all of this comes down to? Guys who lack confidence in themselves to attract a woman. If the only way to get laid is for you to hit on a drunk woman, or to get a woman drunk then you are pathetic. You don't know how to meet and attract a woman. Nothing wrong with that and to be honest, you can learn how to attract women. I am not going to judge the man because I do not know all of the facts. He made a mistake and paid for it and it looks like he will be fired. Let God be the judge.
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You must be a pissed off girlfriend, wife or "significant other".
What you fail to realize is the prerequisite to consume large amounts of alcohol to even give some of those females (or males or "significant others" even a second look...
C'mon-keep it real would ya?!?
fuck him!!!
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