FOP Election
First - have you voted?
Second, we've gotten e-mails from two sergeants who were promoted in recent years. None of these sergeants maintained their membership in the Lodge, declining to send in dues for a "fraternal" membership.
Each related that they received ballots in the mail though. Is someone not updating the membership list and sending out dozens, maybe hundreds of extra ballots?
Those types of numbers could screw up an election easily.
Second, we've gotten e-mails from two sergeants who were promoted in recent years. None of these sergeants maintained their membership in the Lodge, declining to send in dues for a "fraternal" membership.
Each related that they received ballots in the mail though. Is someone not updating the membership list and sending out dozens, maybe hundreds of extra ballots?
Those types of numbers could screw up an election easily.
Labels: FOP
posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
157 Comments:
I was promoted a couple years ago, I got one too.
Its true ..a sergeant in my district handed me his ballet and told me " you use it its not my union anymore "...i did! The Chicago was early and often.
Trustees that were affiliated with the current FOP, I will not voting for you. None of you have addressed the roll calls about the issues and you should be ashamed of yourselves. You get extra money paid and never bothered to do your job. No more BS. When I finally asked to see what a trustee should be doing as part if their duty, I was appalled, none of that has been seen at the districts.
Mailed mine on Thursday. Good luck to all I voted for. Just remember, at the end of the day no matter who wins, we need to back our newly elected FOP representatives. Happy Voting and mail the damn thing in.
I still haven't received my ballot. Anyone else still waiting?
Absolutely true. I know one boss in particular that voted in the last election. System definitely needs to be updated.
Not So!!! The more people that vote the merrier. Just so they the right way. Everybody that lives in Chicago/Cook Co. knows about the value of large numbers of people voting.
I got promoted in 2012 to sgt and I received a ballot in the mail also. I did not keep my fop membership and don't pay dues. Of course I'm doing the right thing and not voting. I already shredded it, but I could have and wonder if other sgts did?
That gives Mr. college professor and Mr. 1st vice prez to argue about the vote count.
Dont worry nothing matters at the hall except the fishing tournament.
I can see this happening. I left the department for a suburban department a few months ago. That department isn't even FOP and yet I STILL got voter information and my ballot coded to me in the mail, lol.
"Those types of numbers could screw up an election easily."
Not for the splintered 'Citywide Team'.
Especially those toxic asshats desperately clinging to the hopes of yet another term "upstairs". Ditto the recently retired Recording Artist with aspirations of 3 more years as Sergeant at Arms. Ditto most of the hangers on dumb enough to attach their names to the floundering Dougherty party.
Hundreds of extra ballots won't mean diddly squat with how bad these bums are going to be ridden out on a rail.
There's going to be a lot of yelling, screaming, cursing and crying on March 7th. I look forward to the real-time reports from the frontlines as relayed to SCC.
Who's Counting Our Votes?????
Da Shitcago Way???
Will this be a real election
Vote the working Copper Not the Inside Guys Remember when you've had CU denied Now the vultures/Clouted want more $$$ on the backs of the men and women in the squads It's insulting and wrong We need Our Union back Vote
If you didn't get your ballot contact FOP Every single Vote must count if we want change for the better
Vote Vote Vote
UN Voting Observers Needed
For Independent Counting and fair election ;Jimmy Carter LOL
Seriously Hello National FOP your needed, Without this I don't trust this election!!!!!
Vote -Fill in the complete circle
but make a copy of your ballot and mail in EARLY The weather and USPS will be a factor
Yes, I voted and it almost made me puke when I saw Dean Angelo's name on the ballot along with the names of Doberty, Lipka, Underwood, Shields (Dan), Jaglowski, and Burns. The last six are all Shields guys through and through. They have supported every bullshit move Mike made in the past. The first three were his hand picked hearing panel that found him innocent.
These guys plus Dean, a guy who supposedly can't work a full time but can visit 60 roll calls, are just the same as putting Mike back in the office. I would urge you all to steer clear of these guys if you haven't voted yet.
I receive my newsletter at my current address. I still receive my FOP book, and ballot, at my old address. I MOVED OVER 4 YEARS AGO!
We need to be able to vote in the districts or Areas during a three day window. The only candidate to address this issue was Tom McDonagh.
Turned my ballot in yesterday!!..... Bye bye Citywide
Since the State lodge stuck its nos in are business why can't they monitor the election?
Guess they may be to busy.
?Did those same Sergeants get an FOP Book, Membership card and Stickers in Early December?
Well shit!
If retirees and promoted people are still getting ballots, I wonder if the manpower numbers given by FOP and city hall are legit?
ditto on the number of people who have retired.
Don't start talking shit about "we count the number of duty availability checks being cut" because those numbers may be worth the approximate value of the final inch of a long piece of shit too.
Nobody's numbers are on the square in this playground for pimps.
Bounce every corrupt and corroded ass out the fucking door.
Anonymous said...
Trustees that were affiliated with the current FOP, I will not voting for you.
Get your facts straight.
First of all you could care less about what a trustee has to say, especially a retiree. Officers want to see the President and the Field Reps at their roll calls. So quit trying to make the trustee's out to be the bad guys in this election.
Im voting for working cops
OT: why did our former FOP president Mike Shields sue our Union to get on a ballot to represent US (he sued us so he could represent Us). On top of that he is suing All of us for damages and then he wants to represent US? This is so backwards. On top of that he thinks he would actually get votes from Us. This guy is a trip. Bizarre and delussional
Yes he is. So is his brother and other board members that support Mike.
Dean Angelo
Mike Underwood
Rick King
John Lipka
Dan Trevino
Ron Shogren
Denis Doherty
Al Jaglowski
Bill Burns
Dan Shields
Fernando Flores
These are the board members that keep supporting Mike Shields and his brother Dan. Vote NO to all these guys.
Not only did I get one as a sgt promoted 2 years ago, but my neighbor the firmeman who left over 10 years ago from the police dept got one. FOP, is a joke. VOTE and change it up for the better, I hope!
The best comment so far and the funniest
...He drove Blago and Patty.
When he came back from his LOA, he was in retread unit 045 for years while doing nothing at the Academy (cause he wasn't staff)
We have so few quality choices
I luv the truth from coppers
Where is Shields name on the ballot?
Yes. Voted them all out.
We need an actual union. Not a bargaining agent. Bring the professionals in.
Anonymous said...
Vote the working Copper Not the Inside Guys Remember when you've had CU denied Now the vultures/Clouted want more $$$ on the backs of the men and women in the squads It's insulting and wrong We need Our Union back Vote
If you didn't get your ballot contact FOP Every single Vote must count if we want change for the better
2/15/2014 03:25:00 AM
Huh?? Don't mix alcohol & pain killers when you write something on here.
Please VOTE or stop whining and complaining.
It would be very helpful if the sergeants would inform FOP if they were not supposed to get a ballot. What is the FOP supposed to do, subpoena SCC's email account? No one needs anonymity on this issue. Let's all be open and honest. For once.
Frank "SuperSod" reminds us to vote for whoever generates the most CR's on coworkers.
Mine is sent on the way. I did not vote for any familiar names AT ALL. It's time for a change!!
This is a open letter to each person who is running for a Fop Office Good luck. ! This letter is also being written from a mother's heart. I am a white middle age woman who works in one of the police districts as a civilian in the office where I am seldom seen unless you come where I am. I am a proud mother who son is a PPO in his last phase but is on the streets of Chicago. Like all Moms II worry every day until I hear the key turn in the lock to open the door and see him coming in. My husband tries to make me stay in bed saying "Dear give him time to wind down but of course Who listens to their husband" . I greet him asking questions only a mother would ask and we talk . This time our talk is a little different because I can see something is bothering him. So I ask what's going on and he share with me he loves his job and only wish his partner had more experience than him because they both are still learning but they love their job and they always "GOT EACH OTHER BACK" My heart literally stop "thinking is this normal " so like any concern parent I asked he responds with MOM gosh stop it I am the police. Couldn't believe how nasty he said it. Now I'm thinking to myself who is this person as he turns and walks away. Of course my husband was waiting in our bedroom to throw in my face the old " I TOLD YOU SO ". 2 weeks later some guys running for office are out in my district and a Black girl comes into the office with another officer who is checking on something but he is running for office and I don't know if she is but I know she is a officer so I ask her is it normal for PPO'S to ride together in the squad car. The look on her face was a look of disbelief but suddenly with such a calmness in her voice introduced her self and say "May I Ask who are You" I tell her who I am and that I have a son who is a PPO on the job and he was telling me PPO are riding together in the squad car. My question to her was " Is that normal". . She asked me the district my son was assigned to and I told her . The officer explained to me that PPO's belong to the academy and they are at will officer's who are not protected under our contract and can be fired for anything She went on to say she has some concerns and that she needed to place a call to investigate . She asked if anyone had a FOP book . This officer placed a call to the duty desk and ask to speak to someone regarding recruits . She identified herself as a Unit Rep. And she debated with this person for over twenty minutes . What struck me the most was how calm this officer was all the time smiling and saying please now you know that was un heard of when we came on the job . She asked the person If the Commander was aware of what was taking place regarding the recruits . I don't know the answer to her question. She asked if he could .pass this information on to the Commander in charge. Needless to say the problem was fixed. I don't know who that officer was just tell her I said thank you and that she is a angel who I believe God sent to me . In closing, Here's what I do remember about her she had a infectious smile with straight white teeth and listened to me with such love in her eyes. Thank you so much for allowing me to ramble on!
Why is the next FOP meeting date not in the FOP news letter or the web sight?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I got promoted in 2012 to sgt and I received a ballot in the mail also. I did not keep my fop membership and don't pay dues. Of course I'm doing the right thing and not voting. I already shredded it, but I could have and wonder if other sgts did?
2/15/2014 01:12:00 AM
Hmmm, that might explain the 137 ballots I received. I thought that meant I could vote 137 times!
That's why is must be returned in the return address envelope. So it can be checked for membership before it is counted. Coppers. Always finding a negative. It's funny because the complainers are probably throwing their vote in the trash anyway.
Anonymous said...
I can see this happening. I left the department for a suburban department a few months ago. That department isn't even FOP and yet I STILL got voter information and my ballot coded to me in the mail, lol.
2/15/2014 01:32:00 AM
Too bad Shields fired the women in the office who used to take care of such things. He did that damn near the first day. And Pleines. And then Shields declared, "I'm the Captain now."
Now someone has grounds to go into court seeking to void the election and call for a do-over.
Jeez, I am a fireman and I got a ballot! Is that supposed to happen?
After I saw the ballot and read who was on the inside cover of FOP, I literally threw the ballot in the garbage. WILL NOT BE VOTING! They are all evil liars! out for themselves. If they stab you in the back once, they will do it again! Don't believe any of them. my dues ARE not current and they sent me a ballot. That's grounds for an INTERNAL INVESTIGATION AND GROUNDS FOR DECERTIFICATION. Wonder how many deceased members ballots went out too?
NOW, that would be somethin if I got a ballot down here....
" at the end of the day no matter who wins, we need to back our newly elected FOP representatives."
You're an idiot.
The city wide team Bill Doughtery--Mark Donahue and no Integrity Ted Street have destoryed Lodge 7 and the State FOP. EMBRASSING
I am a retired member and have received mail about who is running but not a ballot.
The only thing that could screw up an election is having one.
God. The spin machines are sure turning a lot of stomachs with all the manufactured hate there churning out. Think that plan is backfiring fellas.
Hard to tell if the small group of small-minded people bashing Dougherty are doing so because they have a rooting interest in the Angelo or McDonag camps or if they are just shlubs who attempted to scam there way onto disability and were denied. They sure have a lot of free time on there hands that's for sure.
Either way, those bad mouthing dumb dumbs are not gonna convince the majority not to vote for for the team with actual experience given the looming contract and pension battles.
Nobody believes that Dougherty had any say in all Shields mistakes. Just like everyone knows that change for changes sake is a proven bad idea. Every coppers future hangs in the balance. Voting for the guys who have done it before and know what there doing makes the only sense.
A little off topic, but it appears that the FOP and unions are going to be more important in the pension reform proposals. Below is a link to a Rhode Island pension reform plan that mentions it could affect Illinois. It is a proposed settlement I believe caused by the fact that the current pension plan has survived 5 court challenges on diminishing the rights of the retirees.
This just adds to the importance of who we elect to run FOP.
Do not give in, go to court and challenge the case until the state and city approve an acceptable agreement.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/14/usa-rhodeisland-pension-idUSL2N0LJ1RE20140214
No ballot received.
Just finished voting and it felt damn good voting OUT all the clowns who sat by and did absolutely nothing while we got screwed out of retro money. Hopefully many others did the same and all of us will follow our next elected union members with careful scrutiny.
The meatheads who are trumpeting the "vote the inside cover of the FOP book out" mainly fall into three categories:
1) Angelo/McDonagh ticket spin doctors
2) Current trustees that have an ax to grind with Dougherty because he didn't always agree with them and kiss their asses
3) The type of morons who elected Shields.
In reality the vast majority know that:
1) Dougherty ran with Citywide against the shields ticket in 2011. If Dougherty had run for president in 2011 instead of Bella, Shields would never have been elected,
2) Dougherty was repeatedly told that the "letter" was sent--he had no control over whether Shields sent an no reason not to believe it was sent when he was told it was sent,
3) The "Dougherty hates retirees" talk is crazy talk given that he is singularly the most responsible union member for lowering the retirement age to 55, and thus has done more for retires than anyone else
If those ballots are filled out and returned, someone way less qualified than Dougherty could get elected and we'll all have three more years like the last three. Don't let that happen folks. Be smart. Vote.
I wonder if any dead coppers got ballots. They could always vote in the regular elections.
I just filled out and mailed my ballot. My question is, How is this considered a secret/anonymous vote when your name and voter I.D. number are on the enclosed envelope??
I got a ballot and I work in Cicero!
Cicero Cid
I can see this happening. I left the department for a suburban department a few months ago. That department isn't even FOP and yet I STILL got voter information and my ballot coded to me in the mail, lol.
2/15/2014 01:32:00 AM
.................why still be anonymous ?
Dougherty can't win and Dean Angelo will take us back to those glorious days of yesterday year. FOP credit cards for everybody who gets elected.
Who cares... Really, who cares
I would advise that Sergeant to return that ballot.
I would ensure that you make sure it is returned without being completed.
Then I would get a CR number on both of you.
Test question answer 43.
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Its true ..a sergeant in my district handed me his ballet and told me " you use it its not my union anymore "...i did! The Chicago was early and often.
One thing I learned from being on cpd 22 yrs. We don't do much required until forced to. Explains sarcastic remarks about address changes to fop ballots if they haven't been informed of such, and I voted for no one on current team. They cant know you moved unless you tell them.
Some cops I work with have three addresses maybe more. I have always been legitimate . I have only one . If I move I will tell them the new one.
(OT) http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990_pdf_archive/362/362467755/362467755_201012_990O.pdf
Just got done listening to a fop candidate for Vice President first why do we Vice Presidents? And how many do we need? Look at above link page 13 at the salaries and according to him these are from 2010 and they got raises every year all pensionable! So now these greedy SOB get out of control pensions? After looking at the formed in the link they work maybe 40 hours a week? And according to the new guy running they get expense accounts! So you make $170,000 per year get a 75% pension from a depleted pension fund, and have expense accounts! They also have that new Lincoln all shined and fueled for the next fop president all compliments of us the peons!
Wonder if these highly inflated salaries would be like this had the city still paid their salaries? Now that we the members pay 100% of their salaries and contribute through our dues to the grossly overpaid pension plan for them! Tell you what if we call you or correspond and you don't reply personally expect myself and many of us to come to your home, have you wife or girlfriend make coffee ( no woman smart enough to run at top of any ticket obviously) maybe she could bake a cake then we can sit down with your ass (cowardly) and talk about our issues.
The nice guy left the room now you wNt this job time to be accountable! We have a tool in our arsenal a great tool thanks to the great people at the all caring about police network SCC. Don't forget the meeting at fop that was taped and available on YouTube the behind the scenes talk where you guys talk like mobsters where the girl says " the membership is upset becuase they found out" so if you are thin skinned, can't take critism jump off the ballot now, no more crying to. Mommy gentleman!
Some cops I work with have the district station as home address, for their license plate. What the hell is that?
How can they tell you moved unless you inform them ?
Got my retirement ballot in Waupaca. co. Wi . Moved from Chicago and informed them of address change.
...maybe let them know where you moved to...
Anonymous said...
Jeez, I am a fireman and I got a ballot! Is that supposed to happen?
Yeah, sure you are. The Angelo/McDonagh spin machines sure have some bright guys pounding the blog . . .
Anyone concerned about getting a correct ballot would call or e mail to correct the problem. Address change , recent promotion etc. If ballot problem you should be blaming yourself..and I voted for no one on the existing team..
Every bill or debt I have to pay always asks.. Change of address? enough said...
Billy boy recently gave an interview, which was published in the Sun-Times, and the South Town economist
In the interview, Billy stated that Obama care, may be a good thing for our retirees. Does anybody still think that Billy is not anti retiree?
Some cops I work with have the district station as home address, for their license plate. What the hell is that?
2/15/2014 04:33:00 PM
Are you just trolling, or are you seriously asking about how and why officers registered their vehicles to the district?
If you're seriously asking, you must be brand new. If that's the case, in the future you should ask questions in a less aggressive manner so that that you don't sound so foolish.
I voted for Dougherty. Not all of his ticket. But he has what I believe to be the most qualified people compared to the other tickets. Hardest choice was recording secretary. But, I voted for Sid Davis because I am a veteran of the Gulf War. Wish Bella was running for another position. Trustees I mixed up, but didn't vote for any of the trustees that ran with shields. Everyone should vote. Do your homework. Don't listen to anonymous people that lost their brotherhood.
Well, its Saturday evening and still no ballot in the mail today. Funny cause I get every solicitation for $$$$ from the FOP, every political mailing and news letter but no ballot. I would love to vote but I'm sure the hell not driving down to that corrupt place on my own time to vote. Whoever gets elected will do the same shit anyway.
...He drove Blago and Patty.
When he came back from his LOA, he was in retread unit 045 for years
Truth is Schauf now works for Aldercreature Burke GEE Just the guy we need for reform Ha
-No Angelo or his family
I just had a really nice man at my door asking if I need a ride to the FOP ballot box. What a sweet man!
The retirees are coming for you, Billy. The fat Lady is singing, " It's over."
The meatheads who are trumpeting the "vote the inside cover of the FOP book out" mainly fall into three categories:
1) Angelo/McDonagh ticket spin doctors
2) Current trustees that have an ax to grind with Dougherty because he didn't always agree with them and kiss their asses
3) The type of morons who elected Shields.
In reality the vast majority know that:
1) Dougherty ran with Citywide against the shields ticket in 2011. If Dougherty had run for president in 2011 instead of Bella, Shields would never have been elected,
2) Dougherty was repeatedly told that the "letter" was sent--he had no control over whether Shields sent an no reason not to believe it was sent when he was told it was sent,
3) The "Dougherty hates retirees" talk is crazy talk given that he is singularly the most responsible union member for lowering the retirement age to 55, and thus has done more for retires than anyone else
If those ballots are filled out and returned, someone way less qualified than Dougherty could get elected and we'll all have three more years like the last three. Don't let that happen folks. Be smart. Vote.
It's amazing how good Rich is at multitasking. Just watched you tell us how 2 percent is a fair raise and now you are blogging about things that nobody cares about anymore. Please just go away.
I voted and mailed my ballot in already. It wasn't easy. A couple of the old regime guys have helped me in the past with grievances and CRs. But it still came down to no one sent the letter in. With that my conscious was clear and did NOT vote for ANY old members.
OFF TOPIC:
Remember: Judge Joseph G. Kazmiersky
Anonymous said...
Jeez, I am a fireman and I got a ballot! Is that supposed to happen?
2/15/2014 09:46:00 AM
Hey what's your name? I'll write you in.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Some cops I work with have the district station as home address, for their license plate. What the hell is that?
2/15/2014 04:33:00 PM
It's a smart move, that's what it is. Oh, and we're ALLOWED to do it, before you bitch about that, too.
SGT EDDIE HICKS said...
NOW, that would be somethin if I got a ballot down here....
Funny as hell!
It seems that the 2nd Lt(jam you up Johnny) is up to his usual antics trying to f#@k as many coppers over as he can during his career. He must be miserable in his life and wants to make everyone else's life just as miserable as his.
I saw you at the Captains wake today and you will never have the turn out that Terry had today. He was a true cop and always will be remembered as one. Terry had earned the respect and gratitude of the troops he commanded.
Something that you will never accomplish in your career LT Johnny.
Rest in peace Captain TH.
I work for the Water Department and got one....
My ballot has a hanging chad. This may get ugly?
Anonymous said...
Some cops I work with have the district station as home address, for their license plate. What the hell is that?
2/15/2014 04:33:00 PM
Some cops are paranoid
Some cops I work with have the district station as home address, for their license plate. What the hell is that?
2/15/2014 04:33:00 PM
First off, you're not the police. If you were, you wouldn't have said "some cops I work with". Secondly, you're not the police, you don't deserve an answer.
First of all you could care less about what a trustee has to say, especially a retiree. Officers want to see the President and the Field Reps at their roll calls. So quit trying to make the trustee's out to be the bad guys in this election.
2/15/2014 07:00:00 AM
Tell us exactly what you do for your$600 a month.
Im a valet at Curraghs in Edison Park. I got an FOP ballot. What do I do with it.
What I would like to know is how all these candidates got my home address?
Anonymous said...
Some cops I work with have the district station as home address, for their license plate. What the hell is that?
2/15/2014 04:33:00 PM
Really? You are an idiot!!!!
One thing I learned from being on cpd 22 yrs. We don't do much required until forced to. Explains sarcastic remarks about address changes to fop ballots if they haven't been informed of such, and I voted for no one on current team. They cant know you moved unless you tell them.
2/15/2014 04:19:00 PM
You're an idiot. The freakin FOP are POLICE. Your address on the CPD is current and they get the list of employees or should get it from personnel or run it on the clear. If they cannot be bothered to do that, they are stupid. Why should we be forced to do their jobs for them and send in addresses to FOP when we all work at the same freakin dept. Just say incompetence.
Fop guy with foot post in 019 please ur not the police.
A three day window to vote in the districts, yeah right. Like coppers are going into a station to voteon their days off, furloughs, medical, etc. As a whole most of us don't vote and the ballot is hand delivered to you like you are a king. Not to mention the possibility of voter fraud. Who maintains the ballots if held over three days. I'm surprised Disability Dean didn't push this. It would be right up his alley with another chance to weasel his way into office.
Anonymous said...
The meatheads who are trumpeting the "vote the inside cover of the FOP book out" mainly fall into three categories:
1) Angelo/McDonagh ticket spin doctors
2) Current trustees that have an ax to grind with Dougherty because he didn't always agree with them and kiss their asses
3) The type of morons who elected Shields.
In reality the vast majority know that:
1) Dougherty ran with Citywide against the shields ticket in 2011. If Dougherty had run for president in 2011 instead of Bella, Shields would never have been elected,
2) Dougherty was repeatedly told that the "letter" was sent--he had no control over whether Shields sent an no reason not to believe it was sent when he was told it was sent,
3) The "Dougherty hates retirees" talk is crazy talk given that he is singularly the most responsible union member for lowering the retirement age to 55, and thus has done more for retires than anyone else
If those ballots are filled out and returned, someone way less qualified than Dougherty could get elected and we'll all have three more years like the last three. Don't let that happen folks. Be smart. Vote.
2/15/2014 01:00:00 PM
Bill, tell us all how you want everyone to be in Obamacare you MUSH!
If I received a ballot I should not have received, I would have done the right thing and told the FOP so they could fix their list. What I would NOT do is send an anonymous email to an anonymous blog. That's why I am calling bullshit on this story. Sounds like another Shields attempt at bullshit to get on the ballot.
Anonymous said...
Some cops I work with have the district station as home address, for their license plate. What the hell is that?
2/15/2014 04:33:00 PM
First of all, it's allowed under the law.
Second, go troll somewhere else.
No matter who gets voted in down there at 1412, it is the office people who keep the office running smoothly. Mark's secretary had 9 years to learn how everything ran, she ran elections and made sure everything went smoothly. Same with some of the others, they don't run for election, they work for wages and just do the regular stuff that needs doing no matter who is president etc.
Genius Mike Shields fired all those people very early on and hired his own favorite people, like Mike Madigan would do in his office, he looked at those jobs as more patronage to pass out.
Mike Shields had a whole lot to do with the poor running of the office, in fact, he had everything to do with that. You don't fire everyone right off, not those who know how to run things!
Mike went down to that office not knowing anything about running it and then surrounded himself with people who also were newcomers. It will take a while to straighten out the monumental mess. Meanwhile, Rahm is sharpening up his carving knives.
@ 04:28
Great link and all good points.
$209,000 salary. Unreal.
I love the one Dougherty backer that always talks how Billy is all for Retirees or how he is concerned for each and every individual member.
Well, I say FRAN HURLEY! Not once have you addressed how Billy and Mark backed the 19th ward secretary that has already voted to DIMINISH the pensions of the state workers. FRAN HURLEY is also gonna vote to DIMINISH our pensions. She already voted once against retirees. She is going to to it again.
Why did Billy and Mark NOT back a Chicago police officer who pays into our pension who is also a lawyer, a qualification that should be necessary to legislate. They backed the 19th ward SECRETARY no other qualification.
BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH SUBVERSIVE MADIGAN HACKS.
How About GARRIDO.
Why did they not back him for Alderman. He lost by anywhere from 26 - 65 votes. He lost because of the machine sent SEIU hacks out to lie about him 2 days before the election.
It's sad that the union leaders wont support the union membership. But they came show up every three years passing out trinkets (pens book covers, ice scrapers ect.) trying to get ours.
So if you support Billy or Mark, you are either ignorant or a subversive hack. Either way your part of the problem.
I get to fuck over a new set of candidates, cant wait.
Signed Rham E.
Anonymous said...
3) The "Dougherty hates retirees" talk is crazy talk given that he is singularly the most responsible union member for lowering the retirement age to 55, and thus has done more for retires than anyone else
2/15/2014 06:38:00 PM
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Are you a goof? The retirement age was 50 well before Dougherty ever got involved in fop. Maybe before he was hired.
The retiree committee voted unanimously to bring all retirees back in the fold. That committee has citywide people on it too! Billy let Kevin Graham and Jimmy Moriarty hijack the motion with a wink and a nod and postpone the vote on it. Dougherty ruled that he will not bring it back up until one of his henchmen do. When other trustees tried to bring up the motion in another form Dougherty ruled it out of order. And because of what 60-80 people?
What I would like to know is how all these candidates got my home address?
2/15/2014 11:39:00 PM
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Where do you think?
From the FLOP
I just finished voting. I read all the letters that the Teams sent us. I know Tom McDonough. Great guy, but way to much of a partier to be elected president. So now it hits me. Dean Angelo talks about hitting all 22 districts over the past few weeks. Of course he did, because he has all the time in the world because he is collecting $65,000 per year from our pension fund because he can't work. How can he do the work of the president unless he really should be working like the rest of us. I did not vote for Dean. It also doesn't help that the Watchdog group is pushing him and this is all Shields old crew. Don't know Cortes or Plebanski. Nobody that I talked to did. I voted and I did my homework. You should to.
Anonymous said...
Fop guy with foot post in 019 please ur not the police.
2/16/2014 07:36:00 AM
He never was! Had a ghost foot post since day one. He's privledged.
If I received a ballot I should not have received, I would have done the right thing and told the FOP so they could fix their list. What I would NOT do is send an anonymous email to an anonymous blog. That's why I am calling bullshit on this story. Sounds like another Shields attempt at bullshit to get on the ballot.
Another Asshat.
Listen up child - we here at SCC received the e-mails. They weren't anonymous and the sergeants involved gave us their names and one gave us his promotion date from almost 2 years ago.
But we aren't in the business of fronting out those who send us info that might be of concern to the membership. We should be thanking these guys for bringing something to light that we had no idea was occurring.
If a blog has to hold FOP's hand through the entire elective process, then they probably aren't doing their jobs, are they? Did the disgraced president fire yet more administrative staff whose task was to ensure the mailing list was updated regularly? Are dead guys getting ballots - because they aren't appearing in the newsletter until months afterward.
Things like this can swing elections.
Just spoke with Joe Shit aka "the rag man" and he ensured me that his ballot has been mailed!
Anonymous said...
Mike went down to that office not knowing anything about running it and then surrounded himself with people who also were newcomers. It will take a while to straighten out the monumental mess. Meanwhile, Rahm is sharpening up his carving knives.
2/16/2014 09:56:00 AM
Were Aguliar, DiMaria, Donahue or Dougherty newcomers? He could have put Frankie, Richie, Billy all back on the street and brought up his own field reps like Donahue did when he threw Capparelli out of the office for being lazy?
Those four back stabbers put the blade right in the middles of our backs.
I will not tell anyone here how to vote but just don't vote for any of them. They all ready made enough money on us.
I got one sent to me in the joint. J. Finnegan
I have just 2 things to say!
1) By Frank
2) By Rich!!
Upon taking office, Shields fired two of the office staff: they were Marks' secretary, who would have undermined Shields, and a secretary that wasn't needed. Stop with the Shitty Wide BS.
Yeah, sure you are. The Angelo/McDonagh spin machines sure have some bright guys pounding the blog
You posted at least twice on this thread, you hypocritical twit! Sounds like the Shittywide and Not-So-Clean Slate damage control lifeboats are in the water!!
Billy is not for retires! Fuck, he doesn't even return speaker phone calls!
I was sent but got lost in mail. I ended up in Florida! No way am I coming back bitches! I got my ballot though!
Were Aguliar, DiMaria, Donahue or Dougherty newcomers?
No they were not. And at first they actually were able to work together to get things done. However as Shields let the power get to his head, these guys became less capable to influence him. Slowly but surely they moved from working with him to working for him to eventually having no influence over him at all. Hell Dougherty got tossed out office for trying to stop the spiral. Somehow all the hate mangers forget that. He actually stood up to Shields and got tossed because of it.
Stipend increases for the Board should be linked to contract increases in terms of percent. If the members get an increases, so should the Board members, who DO NOT WORK IN THE OFFICE.
The individuals that work in the office should not get the $7,200 a year stipend plus Capt.'s and Chief's pay.
PLEASE VOTE THESE CITYWIDE TEAM CLOWNS OUT OF OFFICE. In addition the Citywide Team us retirees.
The Citywide Team appears to be scared. They are still campaigning after the ballots went out! "Just Don't Dream - Dump the Citywide Team." Na Na Na - Hey hey Good Bye Citywide Team! Bill we welcome you in 022.
You can stick a fork in Billy boy, he's done!
Vote for president carefully because in the end no matter who you vote for he can put anyone he wants in.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Billy boy recently gave an interview, which was published in the Sun-Times, and the South Town economist
In the interview, Billy stated that Obama care, may be a good thing for our retirees. Does anybody still think that Billy is not anti retiree?
2/15/2014 05:05:00 PM
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Is he f-ing nuts? Someone please post a link to that story!
Since when doesn't FOP take grievances from retiree's? I was told by the dim-wit down there that we are not part of the bargaining agent and they don't take grievance reports from us anymore. WTF!!!!
I received threatening and intimidating phone calls from an elected trustee who is using his position of power to settle a personal grudge for Billy D. IAD would not take the CR number! Let's see who pays for his legal defense.
Retiree's no longer have a voice, they just need our votes to continue on with a lavish life sytle?
Vote all familiar names OUT OF OFFICE!
While this blog does a great service, the rampant hate spewed forth in the comments section really just reflects a lack of character, not to mention intelligence.
While you should vote for whomever YOU think is the best candidate, the facts are what they are: any vote for someone other than Bill Dougherty is an utter crap shoot, similar to the large pair of dice that were rolled with Shields in the last go round.
All the fabricated knocks on Dougherty, all the complete and utter inaccuracies about him, and all the childish name calling are nothing more than distractions from the truth: he is the only proven and accomplished candidate with experience. And in an unprecedented year where we have contract negotiations and a pension fight on our hands, that couldn't be more important.
So continue with all the lies about his connections with Shields, or his desire to not send the letter to undermine Shields, or his dislike of retirees or any of the other BS. Youre clearly only good at hate, hoping the majority of the rank and file are good at something else: voting.
Still waiting for an answer on why Bill and Mark backed FRAN HURLEY. But to who ever said Bill was tossed for standing up to Shields. Yeah tossed two years after the letter was not send and he plans to run for President. Would be like Joe Biden running forpresident against Barack Obama in 2012 election. For years
Billy sat collecting a huge salary of our money and kept his mouth shut. Now he wants more of it along with Mark. But please please respond on why Fran a secretary for 19th ward over a policeman who is a lawyer for the state legislator. Bill takes his marching orders from Mark who takes them from Madigan.
No they were not. And at first they actually were able to work together to get things done. However as Shields let the power get to his head, these guys became less capable to influence him. Slowly but surely they moved from working with him to working for him to eventually having no influence over him at all. Hell Dougherty got tossed out office for trying to stop the spiral. Somehow all the hate mangers forget that. He actually stood up to Shields and got tossed because of it.
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Stood up, yea right! Dougherty should've stood up and sent the letter then! These guys think they deserve to be in office. It's our FOP- remember that when you vote!
These guys are stealing our money too. FOP Board gets to sell back unused BFDs and P-days at D-5 and D-8 pay rate! Must be real nice!
These guys just need to go away once and for all! We need that guy from Showtime at the Apollo to kick them out of FOP. I'm not voting for Kenny ("is that a toupee?") Hauser, Marky Mark, Frank "Frankie D", Billy D and Rich AguiLIAR, Kevin (lake view hedgehog) Graham, Sgt. Mike (free for
Me) Voight, Rich (lost my dog 2times) King or anyone associated with Harold (the crier) Brown.
But, I voted for Sid Davis because I am a veteran of the Gulf War
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Apparently you have not been to a meeting for a long time. Sid has been challenged at a few general meeting for only giving lip service to vets. Yes he does do the care package for x-mass to our troops but much of that work is being done by retirees and the lady's auxiliary.
Sid was completely mute in the Dougherty vet adventure in which SCC posted Dougherty's email.
Sid lost his honor a long time ago when he gave up this code in order to secure a place on the citywide team. Sid talks the talk but it has been a long time since he walked the walk. Actions speak louder than words.
I know of NO informed vet that is voting for Sid this time around.
Listen up child - we here at SCC received the e-mails. They weren't anonymous and the sergeants involved gave us their names and one gave us his promotion date from almost 2 years ago.
But we aren't in the business of fronting out those who send us info that might be of concern to the membership. We should be thanking these guys for bringing something to light that we had no idea was occurring.
If a blog has to hold FOP's hand through the entire elective process, then they probably aren't doing their jobs, are they? Did the disgraced president fire yet more administrative staff whose task was to ensure the mailing list was updated regularly? Are dead guys getting ballots - because they aren't appearing in the newsletter until months afterward.
Things like this can swing elections.
2/16/2014 04:44:00 PM
Maybe. If true. But did the Sergeants that you claim sent emails ask you to keep them from the FOP? Why would anyone do that? Why won't you forward the emails to the FOP so they can do something about it? Perhaps fix a mistake. Do these non-members want to vote? Why are you hiding the whole truth?
I received threatening and intimidating phone calls from an elected trustee who is using his position of power to settle a personal grudge for Billy D. IAD would not take the CR number! Let's see who pays for his legal defense.
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Please Out that SOB! how dare he harass a retired FOP member. I want to know who this moron is before I vote!
While this blog does a great service, the rampant hate spewed forth in the comments section really just reflects a lack of character, not to mention intelligence.
While you should vote for whomever YOU think is the best candidate, the facts are what they are: any vote for someone other than Bill Dougherty is an utter crap shoot, similar to the large pair of dice that were rolled with Shields in the last go round.
All the fabricated knocks on Dougherty, all the complete and utter inaccuracies about him, and all the childish name calling are nothing more than distractions from the truth: he is the only proven and accomplished candidate with experience. And in an unprecedented year where we have contract negotiations and a pension fight on our hands, that couldn't be more important.
So continue with all the lies about his connections with Shields, or his desire to not send the letter to undermine Shields, or his dislike of retirees or any of the other BS. Youre clearly only good at hate, hoping the majority of the rank and file are good at something else: voting.
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Thanks for chiming in, Mrs Dougherty.
I guess you didn't have a problem when Bill, Rich and the rest of the merry band of idiots created a blog against the last team to run against Citywide.
So go fuck yourself.
Who in the fuck is Fran Hurley???
Since when doesn't FOP take grievances from retiree's? I was told by the dim-wit down there that we are not part of the bargaining agent and they don't take grievance reports from us anymore. WTF!!!!
I received threatening and intimidating phone calls from an elected trustee who is using his position of power to settle a personal grudge for Billy D. IAD would not take the CR number! Let's see who pays for his legal defense.
Retiree's no longer have a voice, they just need our votes to continue on with a lavish life sytle?
Vote all familiar names OUT OF OFFICE!
Tell him to go fuck himself and hang up on him. Not sure about the grievance thing. What do most retirees have to grieve? Just enjoy your retirement.
Yes Bill gave the interview and inferenced that he backs Obama Care! Southtown I believe is the newspaper.
Its true Bill and Mark did not endorse Sgt. Joe Bird for State Rep. Joe Is A great guy and always pleasant to deal with. Even Before the interview process for the FOP endorsement Mark Donahue and Bill Dougherty had the fix in for the former Alderman of the 19th ward secretary, Fran Hurley. Fran went on to win the primary and the general election with FOP endorsement. Fran has No legal experience. But she does have the Democratic Machine Kronie conections that got her son a free scholarship to a state school. So in short Mark and Bill dont back policeman who have the vested interest of having paid into the pension fund. They are political animals that used our endorsement to put Fran in place who will do exactly as she is told and vote to Diminishour pensions as she has with the state pensions. She has no vested interest. therefore Mark and Bill are connected to the same people that are going to hurt retirees. So a vote for either is suicidal. They are sell outs and its a fact not name calling.
The great thing about this election is that I have never seen as many candidates out trying to garner votes. The FOP is at a crossroads that needs dynamic leadership to grab the mantle and move the organization forward. Regardless who you vote to put in office, please vote!!!
I know people on each team, and some of the independents. Many of the candidates appear very capable. I truly hope what ever the outcome the factions consolidate to form a Board that has the ability to represent the membership in a joint manner.
My fear is that some of the candidates few this as all about money. My analysis is that as police officers, we have the ability to identify those individuals. I request three thingS of my union representatives, which are HONESTY, INTEGRITY AND TRANSPARENCY!!!
GOOD LUCK TO ALL THE CANDIDATES. CONGRATULATIONS ON THE AMOUNT OF WORK YOU ALL HAVE DONE THIS ELECTION!!!!!
TRUTH ABOVE LIES said...
Its true Bill and Mark did not endorse Sgt. Joe Bird for State Rep. Joe Is A great guy and always pleasant to deal with. Even Before the interview process for the FOP endorsement Mark Donahue and Bill Dougherty had the fix in for the former Alderman of the 19th ward secretary, Fran Hurley.
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We the officers of Chicago do here declare that the FOP is to be tried under the RICO act for direct cooperation with the Democratic Party and members associated with organized crime.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Yes Bill gave the interview and inferenced that he backs Obama Care! Southtown I believe is the newspaper.
2/17/2014 08:56:00 PM
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This is one of the things that have retirees worried about Dougherty as it should a active police officers:
Police officers between the ages of 55 and 64 who retired used to get their health insurance paid for by the city until they reached Medicare eligibility.
Starting last month, they were phased into the Affordable Care Act, Obamacare, to save the city money.
“I understand the city needs to save money and Obamacare may turn out to be a good option for them."?
here is the linkto the story:
http://southtownstar.suntimes.com/news/kadner/25424024-452/kadner-trying-to-restore-the-image-of-fop.html
Anonymous said...
Since when doesn't FOP take grievances from retiree's? I was told by the dim-wit down there that we are not part of the bargaining agent and they don't take grievance reports from us anymore. WTF!!!!
I received threatening and intimidating phone calls from an elected trustee who is using his position of power to settle a personal grudge for Billy D. IAD would not take the CR number! Let's see who pays for his legal defense.
Retiree's no longer have a voice, they just need our votes to continue on with a lavish life sytle?
2/17/2014 08:24:00 PM
FOP never took grievances from retirees. Not just now, they never did. Retirees are not part of the bargaining unit. Contract is for sworn, retirees are no longer sworn. Retirees no longer are employees of the City of Chicago. The Pension Board is the sole representative of retirees.
Sort of like you don't get radio calls any more and do not have power of arrest. You cease being the police upon retirement.
The trustee might also be retired in which case no one on earth will take a complaint or grievance. Hire a lawyer and file a lawsuit I imagine.
In some past contract someone on the FOP board wanted to include some language in the contract concerning retirees that guaranteed certain rights and the City said they won't even discuss it. Same reason, retirees are not employees.
If you want to file a complaint about a sworn officer you do the same thing any citizen must do, complain to Independent Police Review Authority, 312-746-3594
You could in theory complain to a sergeant and they are supposed to take the complaint but good luck with that. Be prepared to be told Go fuck yourself.
Anonymous said...
Vote for president carefully because in the end no matter who you vote for he can put anyone he wants in.
2/17/2014 08:08:00 AM
President still needs Board approval. If they vote it down, that is that.
Anonymous said...
Upon taking office, Shields fired two of the office staff: they were Marks' secretary, who would have undermined Shields, and a secretary that wasn't needed. Stop with the Shitty Wide BS.
2/16/2014 09:16:00 PM
Mark's secretary worked for wages. She is loyal to whoever gives her a paycheck and she knew how to run the office. Undermined Shields? Shields needed undermining. He turned out to be a fucking dope. Did you hear his allegations? He got NO ONE to back him up in that except his family. NO ONE. Even his life long friends he gave large salaries to. Everyone thought the cheese slid off the cracker with Shields.
Look who Shields replaced Mary Pat with, that nitwit who herself got fired. I am trying to think of something good that Shields did and I am at a loss. I voted for him last time and deeply regret it.
Anonymous said...
Turned my ballot in yesterday!!..... Bye bye Citywide
2/15/2014 06:50:00 AM
"Turned my ballot in"
Turned in where? To whom?
The ballot must be mailed in via US Postal Service, not "turned in" anywhere. I guess you did not read the instructions. Better luck next time.
Google Sun; Time Bill Dougherty, and the interview comes up. Read all about it.
State Representative Fran Hurley was the phone answering girl at 19th ward office.
Voted against the State workers to diminish their pensions. She will do the same when our pension comes up. Endorsed by Bill D. and Mark D. over a police officer / lawyer
Well can the Doughery and Donahue backers please explain why?
Anonymous said...
Turned my ballot in yesterday!!..... Bye bye Citywide
2/15/2014 06:50:00 AM
"Turned my ballot in"
Turned in where? To whom?
The ballot must be mailed in via US Postal Service, not "turned in" anywhere. I guess you did not read the instructions. Better luck next time.
And this is why I didn't vote for citywide. Instead of helping this guy out you tell him to fuck off. Kinda like the fop office.
Bill Dougherty's slogan should be:
Bill Dougherty and Obamacare for All!
Wake up people, what will this department look like with people like Dougherty and Donahue undermining our unity.
Both want us thrown into Obamacare
Both supported candidates who have voted to reduce pension for future, current and retired government employees.
Both Supported New Pension Tier 2 taking away benefits from new police officers (pension now averaged over final eight years instead of final four.
Both Turned their Backs on Policemen Bird and Garrido running for office to protect our benefits.
Dougherty and Donahue are ANTI-POLICE and pro-Themselves.
If anyone was ever arrested for impersonating a police officer, it should be Dougherty and Donahue.
Marks' Secretary worked for Mark, and was loyal to Mark. Shields was right to fire her. She then sued the lodge for sexual harassment. Good riddance!
Anonymous said...
Some cops I work with have the district station as home address, for their license plate. What the hell is that?
2/15/2014 04:33:00 PM
State Law, it's allowed under Illinois Law and Department General Orders. Supposed to be 3510 S Michigan Ave, Chicago IL 60653. The HQ address of your department.
Anonymous said...
OFF TOPIC:
Remember: Judge Joseph G. Kazmiersky
2/15/2014 06:58:00 PM
Remember for why? Good judge, bad judge? RIP? Why remember?
When I started this blog I really expected this election to be a no-holds barred, knock-down, drag-out fight. Surprisingly, all of the teams have been rather subdued promoting themselves and not slinging mud at each other.
Well, that has all changed. The members of the so-called FOP 7 Pension Watchdog Team finally showed their true colors when they aligned themselves with the Dean Angelo ticket by providing Angelo with a glowing endorsement. This may not seem like a bid deal to some, but you had better take a long, hard look at the Watchdog ticket before you vote. This pairing might just be even worse for our union than the last three years. It includes Dan Shields, brother of the apparently deranged and ousted president, Mike Shields. That, in and of itself, should be the reddest of red flags, but if you're still not convinced, it also includes Denis Doherty, Al Jaglowski, Rick King, John Lipka, and Mike Underwood. Doherty, Lipka, and Underwood were Shields' hand-picked jury that actually found Shields Not Guilty of lying to the membership and board of directors when Shields failed to send the contract negotiations letter. The remainder supported Shields in every misstep he took.
The Watchdog Team is now going full throttle sending out hate emails about how the Citywide Team hates retirees attempting to sway the retirees from voting for Citywide. Apparently, they are fronting for Dean Angelo by spewing political rhetoric while Dean sits idly by and appears to be upfront and forthcoming.
Like SCC (one of my favorites) I have not made an endorsement of any one candidate or any one team, but I can say without reservation that the Dean Angelo Team is the worst possible choice that any of you could make.
If you are unable to read between the lines, it is this simple: Angelo + Watchdogs = The Shields Team all over again. None of us can afford to let history repeat itself.
Feel free to pass this on to as many people as you know. This team cannot get elected.
Marks' Secretary worked for Mark, and was loyal to Mark. Shields was right to fire her. She then sued the lodge for sexual harassment. Good riddance!
Sexual harassment because you were fired as a secretary?
Anonymous said...
Marks' Secretary worked for Mark, and was loyal to Mark. Shields was right to fire her. She then sued the lodge for sexual harassment. Good riddance!
Sexual harassment because you were fired as a secretary?
2/19/2014 12:06:00 PM
Ok but Mikes secretary worked for Mike and was loyal to him and the membership by nagging the fuck out of him to send the letter and his loyal response was to fire her. He fired anyone that exposed his lack of work ethic.
Cant believe how much hatred and anger have been directed at this "Pension Watch Dog" group by the City Wide Team of expert Bloggers, They are running for no Office above the Trustee Level and appear to be running on the issue of Pension alone. If I were them (city wide) I would have spent a lot more time attacking Angelo and not wasted all the time and energy on those other guys. They missed the boat, Dean looks like he may win it on the first ballot now, they nearly gave him a pass.
As far as Sergeants recieving ballots, not only are non-FOP member Sergeants receiving ballots, The City -Wide Team is running a Sergeant for Office in violation of FOP By-Laws. They really have lost it and maybe it is time for them to go.
At Thursdays general meeting, Billy boy was booed off of the stage. The fat lady is singing, Billy. It's over.
Shields secratary was fired, but it wasn't for nagging him. She had problems, which made her unemployable, by a police organization.
When I started this blog I really expected this election to be a no-holds barred, knock-down, drag-out fight. Surprisingly, all of the teams have been rather subdued promoting themselves and not slinging mud at each other.
Well, that has all changed. The members of the so-called FOP 7 Pension Watchdog Team finally showed their true colors when they aligned themselves with the Dean Angelo ticket by providing Angelo with a glowing endorsement. This may not seem like a bid deal to some, but you had better take a long, hard look at the Watchdog ticket before you vote. This pairing might just be even worse for our union than the last three years. It includes Dan Shields, brother of the apparently deranged and ousted president, Mike Shields. That, in and of itself, should be the reddest of red flags, but if you're still not convinced, it also includes Denis Doherty, Al Jaglowski, Rick King, John Lipka, and Mike Underwood. Doherty, Lipka, and Underwood were Shields' hand-picked jury that actually found Shields Not Guilty of lying to the membership and board of directors when Shields failed to send the contract negotiations letter. The remainder supported Shields in every misstep he took.
The Watchdog Team is now going full throttle sending out hate emails about how the Citywide Team hates retirees attempting to sway the retirees from voting for Citywide. Apparently, they are fronting for Dean Angelo by spewing political rhetoric while Dean sits idly by and appears to be upfront and forthcoming.
Like SCC (one of my favorites) I have not made an endorsement of any one candidate or any one team, but I can say without reservation that the Dean Angelo Team is the worst possible choice that any of you could make.
If you are unable to read between the lines, it is this simple: Angelo + Watchdogs = The Shields Team all over again. None of us can afford to let history repeat itself.
Feel free to pass this on to as many people as you know. This team cannot get elected.
I read the Watchdog letter also. The letter did not give an endorsement. It pointed out a position that one group supported that the others did not address.
Also the watchdog group is running nothing but trustees. The voters vote for the trustees and have knowledge of who has been with who in the past. Your conspiracy theory is without merit.
Move on.
It appears that, the Shitty Wide team, is getting desperate!
Anonymous said...
Shields secratary was fired, but it wasn't for nagging him. She had problems, which made her unemployable, by a police organization.
2/20/2014 12:27:00 AM
Well the nagging claim was made by President Shields so I guess that must be another lie he told because you know better. Read her letter everything is spot on.
Well if Shields former secretary ran for public office Mark and Billy would have endorsed her. Because by their standards a secretary is better qualified then a police officer. Just ask them
and P.S. All the candidates suck. but Mark and Bill are down right anti membership.
You can stick a fork in Daugherty. He's done!
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