Elkhart Cops Cleared
Well gee, thanks. We had no idea this was an issue when someone pointed a gun at cops, especially after that same person just killed two people and took a third hostage:
- An Indiana prosecutor has decided police were justified in the fatal shooting of a young man who had killed two women at a grocery store in Elkhart in January.
Shawn Walter Bair, 22, walked into Martin’s Super Market on Jan. 15, and shot and killed 20-year-old Krystle Dikes, a store employee; and 44-year-old Rachelle Godfread, a customer at the store.
He then shot at another employee, and took the store manager hostage as police arrived at the store. When he turned his gun on the two Elkhart police officers who responded to the attack, they shot him several times.
WBBM Newsradio [...] reports Elkhart County Prosecutor Curtis Hill concluded the police officers were justified in their actions, and will not seek charges against them.
And it took 70-plus days to come to this conclusion?
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posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
27 Comments:
Law suit time! Isn't our system great? Officers protect themselves and save many others. Yet the likeliness of the officers getting sued are very high. Sad.
W-T-F?
We will have to wait and see what Eric Holder's Justice Dept. has to say. Did the local coppers use undue force, did they somehow deprive the young man of his civil rights, did they take his race into consideration before they fired the fatal bullets?
If it happened in D.C., to an unarmed, confused, and scared motorist, the feebs would have cleared the cops in about 10 minutes.
Just sayin'.
Shouldn't have taken 10 seconds to come to that conclusion.... 7 would be about right.
I didn't know they had that many liberals that needed to "weigh" all the evidence in Indiana. Even when the evidence is that clear.
thank god it was a fatal shooting. put this real news on the news
...things are slow in Elkhart. It's a rural area.
This is why I conceal carry in Chicago. If a business does not allow conceal carry then I move on.
Good job boys. I would of cleared you on the first page of a one sided report.
Hill is a good guy and a surprisingly honest prosecutor. The delay was due to the Indiana State Police investigation of the shooting, which, par for the course, they dragged out for about 60 days more than was necessary.
- Elkhart area attorney.
This is no different than when our media says I.P.R.A. is investigating a police shooting. They investigate all shootings. In a small town in Indiana, this is huge news same slant as here, try to imply wrong doing even when there never was.
I hereby promise to never use my legally carried firearm to protect any customer or employee of any facility displaying the do not carry signs. I will protect myself and my family and let the chips fall where they may. If a bad guy can carry anywhere they want, why can't I carry?
Indiana is a fucking joke,Anita Alvarez would of got that one right,I think
the police officers were justified in their actions, and will not seek charges against them.
charges against the police??? huh?
...things are slow in Elkhart. It's a rural area.
3/28/2014 02:45:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
This is why I conceal carry in Chicago. If a business does not allow conceal carry then I move on.
3/28/2014 04:08:00 AM
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70 days seems crazy, but the Elkhart police have been known to act recklessly in the past. So far they haven't had to deal with too many shootings, although the south end of Elkhart looks a lot like Englewood or Detroit.
Things move slower in Indiana, probably because cigarettes are cheaper.
Hey guys— this is how they handle police shooting investigations in the People's Republic of Oakland, California. The city paid the perp's family $185,000.
"According to police, he had a 9mm semiautomatic handgun in one hand and a .45-caliber handgun in the other and was shot when he refused to drop the weapons after the car ran a red light, crashed into two vehicles and burst into flames at 85th Avenue and San Leandro Street. But in a lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court in San Francisco, Flenaugh's mother, Spring Mathews of San Mateo, said that "no reports suggest he fired a weapon at the police officers before they shot at him."
http://www.sfgate.com/default/article/Settlement-in-killing-of-armed-man-by-Oakland-cops-5267595.php
unbelievable.
In Shitcago, it would have taken 2 years and witnesses would crawl out of the woodwork to testify against the officers.
Hill is really a pretty good Prosecutor, he's known to hammer people hard (a lot harder than you're used to in Cook County, and a lot harder than almost any Prosecutor with a (D) after his name). A couple things entered into this, first the State Police did the investigation and they don't rush, I think he got the completed investigation a couple of weeks ago. Second, there may be some political 'friction' between Hill and the mayor in Elkhart; Elkhart's policy is that officers are relieved of duty pending the findings of the Prosecutor, so that means these guys have been on paid leave since this happened, and it seems like Hill tries to 'maximize' that time. The local papers said today that they will remain on paid leave until the 'internal' investigation is concluded, so they're still off with pay. I don't know how much time you get off in Chiraq for an OIS, but a couple months sounds OK to me. This result was never in doubt, trust me, they were given awards by the governor and legislature a few weeks ago, and that would not have happened if the powers that be had any doubt this would be called a good shooting. In fact the State Police PIO was praising how they reacted the day after the shooting- he knew it was a good shooting up front. The guys did a great job, and the recognition they got was well deserved.
In Shitcago, it would have taken 2 years and witnesses would crawl out of the woodwork to testify against the officers.
3/28/2014 02:39:00 PM
wrong idiot, in Shitgago it would have been done and over when my ot slip was turned a day and a half later.
I don't know how much time you get off in Chiraq for an OIS, but a couple months sounds OK to me.
Back in the day-1 Day.To see the shrink.
Have no idea what it is now.
F*cking idiots!!
Just a note.... Here in Indiana fatal shootings go before the grand jury... Always. It doesn't happen fast... Usually about 2 to 5 months. Officers can go back to work if cleared by their department as to mental health and all. Just fyi.
'Just a note.... Here in Indiana fatal shootings go before the grand jury... Always. It doesn't happen fast... Usually about 2 to 5 months. Officers can go back to work if cleared by their department as to mental health and all. Just fyi. '
Not necessarily, that's up to the Prosecutor. In this case Hill said he will NOT be taking the case to the Grand Jury. There is no legal requirement in Indiana to have a grand jury in an OIS (or any other death), but a lot of the Prosecutors use it as a means of CYA so that people don't accuse them of being on the police's side, or if someone 'clouted' is involved to get them off the hook on having to make a decision themselves. In some counties (such as the one where I formerly worked), the Prosecutor chooses to make all charging decisions on his own; he refused to have grand juries in any case that I can recall, and that was about 16 years that I worked with him. 39 year Indiana LEO here, have worked in three counties, and they are all different depending on the prosecutor and how much 'heat' he's willing to take.
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