D-3, D2A and D-2 Demotions
We were skeptical at first, too. But then we found the order, issued Thursday as Employee Resource Order E05-06-01. You can find it online from your home computer if you know where to look on the Department site.
It affects only members below the rank of sergeant, such as K9, Mounted , Marine, FTO, ET, Explosive Techs, Forensic Investigators, and more - including Detectives. Essentially, anywhere where your dress uniform is blue.
The Department has been reducing the Detective numbers through attrition - don't make 'em while letting the old ones retire. The "brain-drain" has been incredible and is probably directly responsible for the atrocious clearance rate (under 35% for homicides).
Now it looks as though the Department may be taking more proactive action to:
It affects only members below the rank of sergeant, such as K9, Mounted , Marine, FTO, ET, Explosive Techs, Forensic Investigators, and more - including Detectives. Essentially, anywhere where your dress uniform is blue.
The Department has been reducing the Detective numbers through attrition - don't make 'em while letting the old ones retire. The "brain-drain" has been incredible and is probably directly responsible for the atrocious clearance rate (under 35% for homicides).
Now it looks as though the Department may be taking more proactive action to:
- reduce dead weight;
- down-size
- "right size"
- reduction in force
- disband certain functions?
Choose your conspiracy. We can't recall any Detective being demoted in recent memory. K9? ET? Any of those spots? We've heard of FTO's resigning, but pretty much not anyone else.
This has the potential to be very ugly, very amusing, very political or any descriptor you might deem appropriate.
This has the potential to be very ugly, very amusing, very political or any descriptor you might deem appropriate.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
242 Comments:
I basically got into a pissing match with a goof on this blog a few days ago trying to convince him that an appointment to Detective is not a promotion. Just an appointment because it is NOT a rank.
A detective could always be dumped for just cause back to a D-1.
This new order just spells it out better.
For the asshat who did not think a detective could ever get dumped, get some time on the job before you shoot your mouth off hairgel.
The order:
http://directives.chicagopolice.org/directives/data/a7a57b38-14527edc-c5514-527e-eedddaf948ce04eb.pdf?hl=true
Hey
Unless you are a sergeant you ain't shit.
It won't be amusing at all when the state's attorney's office has trouble prosecuting with the evidence that either wasn't collected because lack of detectives/et's at the scene or questionable evidence due to lack of detectives/et's at the scene. There has been a steady drain of manpower in those areas. More incentive to be a bad guy. The CPD has evolved into a babysitting gig and it is a real shame that the bad guys don't have to face any consequences for their actions.
Everyone knows that NYPD is the finest most innovative and cost effective PD in the world. The Big Guy is ex NYPD. Is this his idea of how to more closely align the rank structure of CPD with NYPD? Or, is it a new scheme to screw CPD and shift a portion of police funds to other City uses?
It all sounds very suspect.
This got something to do with the Koschman case?
Retired
Hey SCC, no post on this bullshit?
http://www.suntimes.com/26617823-761/police-related-suits-cost-city-more-than-500-million-since-04.html
I wrote about this on SCC late last year. A retired boss from NYPD who knows Gerry circle jerk friends in NYPD told me Gerry said he wants CPD dick's to serve the same way NYPD dick' do.
Here today and gone back to patrol the next tour. Ask any NYC copper how it works.
Many dick' will be hitting the blue and whites by summer. Also, dick' will be made by total merit and consent of Gerry.
CMO dick' will not be protected. We will see a lot of good dick's taking the hit just because some brass has a hard on for him/her.
Take all of this to the bank, it is coming soon and overnight.
Gerry wants to give guys that work their asses off to be made dick's. All from patrol. People who think they are legends in narcotic' will be rotated out of narcotics quite soon and not replaced.
Gerry is feed up with the cry babies in 189 crying they get little O.T and some do not get take home cars. The numbers to be dumped is 40 percent. Sgt' will be taking a 50 percent hit.
This is to be done by 6th. period.
That's fine. This is just the excuse I needed to retire anyway. Truthfully, I should have pulled the plug a long time ago. That residency rule was a pain in the dick. Now I won't have to lie to my neighbers in Skokie anymore and tell them that I own a pornography store in Cicero. All in all it's been a good run. You got to count your blessings on this job.
At least my dingbat wife passed away two years ago so I can loaf around my house without her nagging me to do stupid chores. What really has me excited is all the crazy stripper and hooker broads I am going to get with all that dough I put away in defferred comp over the years. Yep, I'm going to have my own personal harem as I do nothing all day except drink Hamm's beer, smoke White Owl cigars, and watch old boxing matches from the 1940's.
Take care all.
Oh, and one last time before I go :
YOU GOT NUTHIN' KID!!!!
SCC, Last time they dumped dick's was late 1979 and 1980.
Clout ruled when they dumped.
I remember a lot of guys who took the hit back to patrol. No one beefed but a few had their clout bring them back.
McCarthy will be dumping dick's as soon as he can. No rumor there on this, fact.
This will not be a nice sight to see when it happens.
This alone made me happy to be retired.
SCC there are two orders out. One defines on how the department can return a D2, D2A, and D3 position holder back to patrol. The order basically states if a supervisor has a hard on for a particular officer they can recommend a hearing to have the officer shipped back to patrol. That is some scary shit, 80% of those positions are EARNED NOT GIVEN! Officers have studied and sacrificed to do well on the test just to have some supervisor request that officer be returned to patrol. Sgt.'s and Lt.'s also have to take a test, why isn't there an order out to demote them down a rank when they are performing up to Mc Drunk expectations?
The other order is about appointment to D2,D2A, and D3 positions. It gives Mc lickmynuts the final say on who gets appointed to those positions. So if you took the detectives test and are on the list to be in the next class if they ever make one, McDrunk can say you don't have enough movers, parkers, contact cards, arrests, too many cr's, too much medical time, too many whites on the list, too many males, etc... the list can go on, you will not be made and passed for the next officer on the list. This applies now to fto's, et's, crime labs, k-9, bomb techs, etc... So what is the point of taking a test? 9.5 came out blazing on pensions to see what Angelo would say and now McDrunk just shot a singer, Angelo a la FOP better file a grievance ASAP.
Finally detective should be made an promotion and rank. No other department disrespects its detective like CPD DOES. It's a rank in every other major police department including the NYPD. Why the hatred toward the D Unit. They are discriminated by the department and the fop does nothing. Example: detectives are the only ones that cannot work any overtime initiatives. Sergeants, ET's, K-9, FTO's , and P.O.'s can work VRI but detectives are put on a supplemental list and can't never get to work it. Angelo you need to correct this wrong, these two orders affect every blue shirt.
No one is safe from the political machine. To those who believe its still all on the up and up, good luck with your job.
Can't wait till they close all the district stations between 7pm and 7am. Just like in Detroit. It is coming to a precinct near you.
I can't see how this would stand up in court for demoting a detective. You are given two tests to even be considered for detective. If you are lucky enough to score high enough to get made or make it by merit, you attend a almost 3 month academy for training, take and must pass a state board test. If you make it through all of that, you graduate, the department gives you a new title, star number, Hat shield, pay raise,more responsibility and accountability. I know everyone says it's not a promotion, then why do they have to meet all of those standards, why does the department change your star title and number and why does the department call it a Chicago police detectives promotional ceremony when you graduate. If this can pass the mustar of the courts everyone who ever passes a exam and gets made should be worried. That includes Sgt's and Lt's- you can be demoted too. This is also a contractual issue! What I can see happening out of this is a detective be just that- not a police officer assigned as a detective. Someone tell me how the process of becoming a detective is any different than the process of becoming a sgt or Lt? Are there bad or lazy detectives absolutely, there is also bad and lazy, officers, Sgt's, Lt's and so on. Believe or not there are spots within the detective division that detectives don't want to work, but must be filled, that's what you do with those people! You don't demote them unless they were made by merit, only people who were made by merit should be eligible for demotion. We will see how this plays out
direct from the dept. : "B. The Review Board process will only be utilized in cases involving the review of an officer's performance. The Review Board process will not apply if a member is being removed from their assignment for a reason unrelated to their performance (e.g., budget modification, reduction in force initiative, etc.)."
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This essentially conveys that the dept. can deminish manpower in any of the effected positions that are targeted under Sgt. and put them back into patrol with a stroke of a pen by playing with the budgeted numbers.. I ask this: What the hell is the point of a test for these positions ?? Performance aside, how can they just, at a whim, call you up one day and say theyre down sizing the budget, youre going back to the beat car and we're taking away that extra cash that you've been earning?? Where's the incentive to want to do better if they pull the rug out from your feet a short time later?? On the other note, The "performance" item is subjective in nature.. How does one quantify poor performance.. Is there a check list of objectives that need to met in each respective position?? Ive never seen it, if so.
If an E.T. takes too long to process a scene, or if canine handlers dog drops a deuce on someones front lawn?? How many dogs ran away from Rich K. while he was a handler (nice move Bear I & Bear II)?? He never got demoted! You know why? Because there are no quantifying objectives that each position must meet.. It's all too vague and subjective.. This "order" is just a slimey way of getting the people out that were not invited and getting the chosen ones in!
There will come a point when a strike is in order, lawful or not. When the crooks are making the laws, it's right to rebel.
It use to be the custom that when they promoted a P.O. to Det, they demoted a Det. to make room for him.
Sgts., Lts. and Capts. were not demoted because no matter how inept, incompetant, immoral, or just plain corrupt they might be, all of them were at their rank because someone wanted them there.
Either a polititian or other police boss. Nothing changes in this most corrupt of cities.
It is all part of McHatchetman's promise to Rahm to run this department on the cheap.
People are having a lower and lower expectation of police service. So what do we need Detectives or Canine Handlers for? All that court overtime and…
We are no longer the heroes except when killed in the line of duty and provide a photo op for the politicians. We are the clerks and revenue raiser, baby sitters and go-fers for the politicians. Long ago we were divided and conquered and this is just another brick that fell out of the wall.
If one knows the real history of law enforcement in this country remember that just after the Civil War there were no government detective bureaus. There were private investigation companies, the well known being Pinkerton's and Well Fargo who worked for the federal government and big businesses. In towns and cities across America the city administrations hired private detectives to investigate the rare crime that called for some expertise. It wasn't until around the turn of the century that government at all levels began to form their own investigative agencies.
I suppose we will soon be seeing the Daley Vanecko Private Investigation Company working for the city.
They aren't promoting people because crime is so low that these positions aren't needed.
They apparently want to get rid of the few that are left.
If you say your short, they say we have more than we need compared with other cities are size.
If this winter brakes and their are 80 degree days we will need the National Guard.
I was at a crime scene a while back and they are complaining about ambulance in the news. How about the mobile crime lab. For crime being down I can't seem to get one out on a scene. Maybe they are saving gas bring to ET's in unmarked cars. Chicago is really moving into the future with crime lab work, or steps back to save money. How about the ambulances use this approach and send to paramedics in station wagons.
No offense to ET's just trying to make an observation from southern lines in the war on crime.
This has everything to do with the mayor's detail lawsuit that the city is currently losing badly. Read the thing and you can clearly see that it is no easy task removing anyone from their D2, D2A, or D3 positions and requires just cause as well as legal sufficiency. Everyone is reading way too much into this.
If I were the supervisor for Substance Abuse Consular. I would do a great job.
I thought they just fire people for dropping hot.
Or Legal Officer I, what do we need these guy when we can hire a civilian at the same price $100,000 plus benefits. They always through in benefits so lets make it a $150.000 job. Now they can hire them out of Burks Law Office for $150,000 and say we are saving money because we don't have to pay into the pension. But I'm sure the new people will live outside of the city. All private contractor trucks list business out of the city. Hell why not just hire all private contractors so they can live else were. The only ones required to live in the city is us.
More down sizing of the old machines jobs and making new ones up for the current machine people.
I'll just drive the beat car around. What ever happened to those recruitment video with all those D2, D2A and D3 jobs. This is like the move Private Benjamin!
We got duped!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No mr. know it all, you cannot be dumped from detective back to police officer, you can voluntarily go
3/31/2014 09:24:00 PM
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Tell that to the 2 dicks that worked under John Burge that were dumped back to patrolmen in the late 1990s.
"Patrolmen Assigned as FTOs" have been dumped back to Patrolmen.
"Patrolmen Assigned as Evidence Technicians" have been dumped back to Patrolmen.
AND YES: "PATROLMEN ASSIGNED AS DETECTIVES" HAVE and CAN be dumped BACK to PATROLMEN.
Get some more time on the job or call someone at Management and Labor Affairs who has a clue.
You CAN be dumped from detective BACK to a beat car. It has happened before and will happen again.
Therefore it is NOT a promotion.
Your shirt is still blue.
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And things have changed since 1981/1986/1990s.
The head of the police department was once Chief, not superintendent
Not very long ago it said Patrolman on our star, not police officer
Detectives cannot be dumped back to police officer, call MLA yourself
4/03/2014 12:49:00 AM
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Well, Well, Well
What do you slugs have to say now Mr. BIG CITY DICK???
Read the new order and go cry as you look at yourself in the mirror.
Don't drip any hairgel on your suit.
OT --
CRIME IS DOWN -- 13 shot since 8 p.m., including 6 at West Side party
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-2-wounded-in-separate-west-side-shootings-20140404,0,1187304.story
Horses Bye Bye Useless!!!
If they demote detectives without just cause and/or for budget reasons, how much activity can they expect out of them in patrol, especially if they tested well enough for the position. They thought p/o's did nothing now, wait until the detectives get dumped. So the only way to get a promotion on this job and not lose it, is become a supervisor? This job sure gives you a lot of hope, what if I don't want to be a supervisor you idiot, not everyone is a power hungry egotistical douche. All I actually wanted to become in this department was a detective, now what?
Back in the day, 1970's , The rank of Detective was somewhat legit, you only took a written test, the test was graded in your presence, and you either passed or failed. A list was posted , and according to your raw score on the test is where you landed Back in the day, you had Burglary Detectives, Homicide Detectives, and Robbery Detectives, these guys knew their stuff , no computers , just what was in your head. But their was a ten percent dump rate each period. If you were in the bottom ten percent of arrests, heads,, good chance you went back to patrol at the end of the period. Back in the Day.
Merit is the only one's who should get dumped they never passed the test and never have a clue of what is to done at a crime scene
The Cato Institute released an updated 2013 study (originally done in 1995)
showing that welfare benefits pay more than a minimum wage job in 33 states
and the District of Columbia. Even worse, welfare pays more than $15 per
hour in 13 states. According to the study, welfare benefits have increased
faster than minimum wage. It's now more profitable to sit at home than it
is to earn an honest day's pay.
Hawaii is the biggest offender, where welfare recipients earn $29.13 per
hour, or a $60,590 yearly salary, all for doing nothing. ($60,590/2080 = $29.13/hr)
Here is the list of the states where the pre-tax equivalent "salary" that
welfare recipients receive is higher than having a job:
1. Hawaii: $60,590
2. District of Columbia: $50,820
3. Massachusetts: $50,540
4. Connecticut: $44,370
5. New York: $43,700
6. New Jersey: $43,450
7. Rhode Island: $43,330
8. Vermont: $42,350
9. New Hampshire: $39,750
10. Maryland: $38,160
11. California: $37,160
12. Oregon: $34,300
13.Wyoming: $32,620
14. Nevada: $29,820
15. Minnesota: $29,350
16. Delaware: $29,220
17. Washington: $28,840
18. North Dakota: $28,830
19. Pennsylvania: $28,670
20. New Mexico: $27,900
21. Montana: $26,930
22. South Dakota: $26,610
23. Kansas: $26,490
24. Michigan: $26,430
25. Alaska: $26,400
26. Ohio: $26,200
27. North Carolina: $25,760
28. West Virginia: $24,900
29. Alabama: $23,310
30. Indiana: $22,900
31. Missouri: $22,800
32. Oklahoma: $22,480
33. Louisiana: $22,250
34. South Carolina: $21,910 ( $21,910/2080 = $10.53/Hr)
As a point of reference the average Middle Class annual income today is
$50,000, down from $54,000 at the beginning of the Great Recession. Hawaii, DC, and Massachusetts pay more in welfare than the average working folks earn there. Is it any wonder that they stay home rather than look for a job. Time for a drastic change. America is virtually bankrupt.
Are we Nuts or what? How do we un-do this type of stupidity on the part of
Americans? This is crazy!
Salary of retired US Presidents $180,000 FOR LIFE
Salary of House/Senate....$174,000 FOR LIFE This is stupid
Salary of Speaker of the House ....$223,500 FOR LIFE! This is really stupid
Salary of Majority/Minority Leader $193,400 FOR LIFE
Ditto last line
Average Salary of a teacher .. $40,065
Average Salary of Soldier DEPLOYED IN AFGHANISTAN .. $38,000
Think about this.
Nancy Pelosi will retire as a Congress Person at $174,000 Dollars a year
for LIFE. She has retired as SPEAKER at $223,500 a year.
PLUS she will receive an additional $193,400 a year as Minority Leader.
That's $803,700 Dollars a year for LIFE including FREE medical which is not
available to us ... the taxpayers
She is just one of the hundreds of Senators and Congress that float in and
out every year!
I think we found where the cuts should be made!
I believe the real purpose of the order is to subvert morale of the old timers that are in the Detective Division. It is just one more way to push top heavy people off of the job. For those that are maxed out and have the age, why would you stick around? The high earners will leave in droves. This constant harassment and change is calculated.
This is mere theatrics to pull out of thin air. Another bullshit bargaining chip for Mayor Dipshit.
This is nothing more than that.
Keep watching, they'll come up with more bullshit to attempt to up the stakes against us.
Dean should know the FOP's only points of bargaining are for the renewal of our contract, nothing else. The FOP has no authority to bargain for pension changes at the same time as an employment contract. Two separate and distinct issues.
This is something that should have been brought to the attention of the sergeant's union, but alas Ade was in bed with Emanuel from the start and deliberately bargained for items that do NOT fall under the laws of collective bargaining for a successor contract. And the sergeants paid with 2% of their retirement given up for medical when it was free before.
We can all expect the following: 2,2,2,1,1 in raises. All the other units have sold out for this same amount so you can expect either a final offer of that or that the arbiter will award us that. In my opinion, this will be the city's last offer that will be brought to us for the vote. Along with that amount you'll see retroactive be used as another bargaining chip.
Our offer will likely be the following based off the other two contracts:
2,2,2,1,1
Retroactive
55 and out changed to 55 and 2%
Greater flexibility for city to demote without cause
Higher percentages of merit
More non biddable units
Attacks on seniority
Basically the city will offer meager wage increases the same as the other unions sold out to. We'll see retro offered as a "chip". We'll see the same 2% retirement healthcare hit which will only later be abolished through legislation and have to be fought for again in court anyway. And most importantly for the city, they'll be pushing hard to give them greater control over promotion, demotion, unit assignment and employee dismissal without just cause, or that just cause will now include poor activity.
Basically the city is attempting to hold an 8% raise over 4 years and retro over our heads so they can obtain 2% healthcare in the short term before they toss it in legislation, greater ability to divide and conquer our union and employees and greater ability to destroy this department even faster through a much higher "merit" promotion and assignment process.
The true goal is to have any wage increases cancelled out by insurance givebacks which will then be taken away entirely outside of bargaining and to give the city a death grip on seniority, dismissal and demotions, just trying to divide and conquer patrol and everyone else.
We should pretty soon start seeing McFuckstick's bitches posting furiously around here, doing "god's" work you know, sewing dissention among the ranks, shit talking all the units affected by this new deal.
We'll see anti D unit posts, anti Mounted, Marine and any other units affected. The smear campaign is now going to commence to pit patrol against everyone else in order to get them to vote for a contract that destroys any cohesiveness there may be left in this department. I can only suggest to SCC that it immediately start tossing all those comments in the shitter, lest they be considered complicit in the city's attempts to shit on the police.
Mark those words..... they'll soon be coming to fruition in the upcoming contract proposal.
And all that is discounting the possibility that Dean's gonna let them push pension bullshit into our employment contract. If that happens I assume you all know what to do with their offer no matter how fluffy it may seem today. As in, I'd expect no one to fuck themselves in perpetuity for a couple thousand dollars today. But then again, there's a lot of greedy stupidfucks on this job who think 200k in pension money is worth giving up for 2 thousand bucks in their pocket today.
There has been talk for years of privatizing Evidence Techs. Sorry, no loss there. Most of the current bunch are useless anyways.
Demote all the dog asses. Let's promote people that work! Now we should look into firing dogasses and this job would be great. Before you start crying I'm over my 15 year mark, so I got time on the job, and I do my job .
And you still have coppers out there humpin. Dumb.
There are some fine detective's out there, but a shirt and tie dose not make you superman. More dead weight than anything. The gravy train is over I guess, welcome back to 8 hour days, denied time off and no you can't leave early for your kids birthday party just like patrol. This will just force more retirements. Lower clearance rates and boost an already depleted patrol div. No sympathy.
What it says is.... produce or go back to patrol. This is just the beginning. Mark my word Rahm will want the new contract to read. Bring in numbers or lose your job, since patrol is as low you can go. So all you people out there who have been calling me and others like me crazy for working like a madmen after 20 years, well good luck finding a job.
So when they get dumped and are required to go to court, will get they get dick pay or patrol? How many will sabotage a case out of spite. Interesting times ahead.
As a det leaving in less than 3 months, I truly feel sorry for all of the blue shirts, including the D2, 3, etc. My God, I can't imagine how awful this dept. will be in 5 years or so.
I have empathy for the sgts (some) who will also be at the mercy of McDipStick. I have had some great sgts. through the years and some God-awful ones too. I've missed the good ones when they moved on, and I've outlasted the bad ones.
Stick together, we're all we've got.
Make sure you truly understand this is JUST A JOB. Have fun when you can and be safe out there.
After I leave my thoughts and prayers will be with you. God Bless.
In the 80' and even into early 90's there was always a 10% dump from detective back to patrol. Read the original order as someone else stated earlier, the orderer stated "You serve at the pleasure of the superintendent". When we tried to get it made a "hard" rank we lost.
Look at all of the blank stares and empty expressions. They are the result of total exhaustion.
Does the department believe they will get any activity from them if shipped back to patrol???
Detectives are used to working long hours, being in court every day off and being shit on by the residents who purposely cause good investigations to go bad.
I don't think many detectives would care about going back to patrol. At least you know when your tour of duty ends.
Just work Cta or make a late bullshit arrest to make up the difference in pay
It's about time. Many of these dicks are real pooches and don't want to do anything. From a working cop.
When should the commander of the mayors detail be getting dumped due to his involvement in the Koschman case plus he has no clue on how to run it and every boss thinks he is a joke.
i think this was more to correct an oversight since Sgts were changed to E3 to separate them from the patrol D3 positions.
Of course, I can see the progressive mantra of "doing more with less" being applied everywhere until McGoofus and his master Rhammie are happy that we can no longer effectively manage the city's savages.
This stems from the 26-31 dics IAD has playing fuk-fuk at 26th st. you guys are so screwed,but don't ever say I didn't tell you so.
OT......... Just heard a man with CCL shot at several attackers who were attempting to rob him in 015. No hits. But he's alive and well. Nothing in the news yet.
People need to read and share this article. It is the most telling thus far of what Rahm is doing to all taxpayers in Chicago.
http://pando.com/2014/04/04/revealed-rahm-emanuel-cuts-public-pensions-diverts-money-to-benefit-campaign-donors/
It is contract time. Welcome to the world of Rahm/McStupid. Times are going to rough boys and girls, but thankfully both of them will be gone in the not too distant future.
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No mr. know it all, you cannot be dumped from detective back to police officer, you can voluntarily go
3/31/2014 09:24:00 PM
Speaking of wrong, you are. I know of several detectives that have been sent back to patrolman. CP{D had done it before, but maybe the dept needed a new directive because of the union,not sure.
O/T: today's paper...
A number of the party goers appeared intoxicated, cursed at police, ran under the crime scene tape and shouted in general about the poor police response. One woman was carried out by her limbs by officers, who set her down outside the crime scene tape. A number of the obscenties were directed at the race of the officers, who were primarily white. A black officer was singled out by a woman in the crowd for being on the wrong side.
Unbelievable, a black man shoots 6 people and it's the coppers who take the abuse!
Just because an order comes out it must be gospel.
How many grievances have started when orders come out? The numb nuts in charge think they have a great idea but find out it is against the contract or won't stand up in court! Don't believe everything you read. Question everything that comes out of 35th street! Just look at the stats they are digging up. Bunch of dickwads...
This has everything to do with the mayor's detail lawsuit that the city is currently losing badly. Read the thing and you can clearly see that it is no easy task removing anyone from their D2, D2A, or D3 positions and requires just cause as well as legal sufficiency. Everyone is reading way too much into this.
Never has been an easy task and you always needed cause. Remember a detective in area 4 that was sent back to patrol. Took about 1 1/2 years but the city lost the arbitration because it was ruled he was not one of the bottom guys on efficiency. Ruled CPD at that time gave 6 months efficiency ratings and if he was not on the bottom, how can you dump someone and keep a few guys with lower efficiencies.
How about the Merit LT who hasn't shown up to school. Rahm's guy who did the TV commercial for him.
I can't see how this would stand up in court for demoting a detective. You are given two tests to even be considered for detective. If you are lucky enough to score high enough to get made or make it by merit, you attend a almost 3 month academy for training, take and must pass a state board test. If you make it through all of that, you graduate, the department gives you a new title, star number, Hat shield, pay raise,more responsibility and accountability. I know everyone says it's not a promotion, then why do they have to meet all of those standards, why does the department change your star title and number and why does the department call it a Chicago police detectives promotional ceremony when you graduate. If this can pass the mustar of the courts everyone who ever passes a exam and gets made should be worried. That includes Sgt's and Lt's- you can be demoted too. This is also a contractual issue! What I can see happening out of this is a detective be just that- not a police officer assigned as a detective. Someone tell me how the process of becoming a detective is any different than the process of becoming a sgt or Lt? Are there bad or lazy detectives absolutely, there is also bad and lazy, officers, Sgt's, Lt's and so on. Believe or not there are spots within the detective division that detectives don't want to work, but must be filled, that's what you do with those people! You don't demote them unless they were made by merit, only people who were made by merit should be eligible for demotion. We will see how this plays out
Your logic is wrong. Just because you pass a test and go to the academy does not mean you can do nothing for the rest of your time on the job.
If you take a PROMOTIONAL exam and get selected it's called a promototion. To essentially get fired they would have to have just cause. You know, like a complete PAPER trail of your bad performance otherwise you can grieve it or sue.
They also can't change your job description as they go along to eliminate you. Well, they could, but would surly face civil litigation.
It's sounds like there throwing shit on the wall to try and get rid of some of the same. The only problem, it will be used as a retaliatory tool if you don't ; kiss ass, obediently, blindly follow the other lemmings of the cliff, positively responded to gross pass, etc....... Etc...........
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I can't see how this would stand up in court for demoting a detective. You are given two tests to even be considered for detective. If you are lucky enough to score high enough to get made or make it by merit, you attend a almost 3 month academy for training, take and must pass a state board test. If you make it through all of that, you graduate, the department gives you a new title, star number, Hat shield, pay raise,more responsibility and accountability. I know everyone says it's not a promotion, then why do they have to meet all of those standards, why does the department change your star title and number and why does the department call it a Chicago police detectives promotional ceremony when you graduate. If this can pass the mustar of the courts everyone who ever passes a exam and gets made should be worried. That includes Sgt's and Lt's- you can be demoted too. This is also a contractual issue! What I can see happening out of this is a detective be just that- not a police officer assigned as a detective. Someone tell me how the process of becoming a detective is any different than the process of becoming a sgt or Lt? Are there bad or lazy detectives absolutely, there is also bad and lazy, officers, Sgt's, Lt's and so on. Believe or not there are spots within the detective division that detectives don't want to work, but must be filled, that's what you do with those people! You don't demote them unless they were made by merit, only people who were made by merit should be eligible for demotion. We will see how this plays out
4/05/2014 01:17:00 AM
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Well said. There is no substantial difference between detective and another civil service rank.
Add to that why would McCarthy want so few dicks in Chicago? New York has a ratio of about 6:1.
CPD has a ration of about 11:1.
WTF Garry?
Example: detectives are the only ones that cannot work any overtime initiatives. Sergeants, ET's, K-9, FTO's , and P.O.'s can work VRI but detectives are put on a supplemental list and can't never get to work it. Angelo you need to correct this wrong, these two orders affect every blue shirt.
And no one milks and abuses overtime like a detective. Maybe that's why. Quit thinking you're special or better than a blue shirt. And remember that you're nothing but a blue shirt in a suit. (If you ever wear one that is.)
Patrol Officer, Sergeant and Lieutenant are codified in the city ordinances. That's why they can't be demoted. All other ranks are either "exempt" or "select" service.
Hamm's Beer kicks ASS!
Some of this goes back to D2A pay. The FOP pushed this through because the leadership were all meritorious dicks.
Well, I am certainly one of the old guys. DDA6 1969. Dump orders were just a fact of life. 3 to 4 times a year.
Here goes, just how great the department treats detectives:
Every morning when you arrive to work you have to look for a chair, yes look for a chair, fuck sometimes steal one from another detective when they leave their desk.
Be lucky enough to find a desk to work at that is not being occupied by fugitive apprehension, the whole team of ten or twelve take over the whole floor.
Find a car to go out on the streets to conduct investigations or handle call outs. Everyday you have to look to see who is off and see if the car that is assigned to them is available. Why not enough in the D Unit? They took most of them away to give to ET'S who gave their marked units to be used for VRI. That's why you see ET'S in unmarked car on your crime scene.
Computers are ESSENTIAL for doing our work, they break down and it takes months to have them repaired.
We have no access to search data bases ie; leads 2000, accurint, Lexus-Nexus, etc... We have to call down to cpic and beg for a search to be done.
Every morning you log into your computer and you have a new 15-30 jobs in your inbox to be investigated.
Child abuse hotlines like you wouldn't believe, you would be surprise on the number of people who abuse their kids
The amounts of domestic batteries to follow up on
Inundated with bullshit reports ie; I was at a bar got drunk and somebody beat me up, somebody keyed my car, I went to Vegas, acted like a drunken slut and I think I might of been gang raped, those are just a few examples of the reports we deal with, try and solve those.
Victims of shooting who don't want to co operate with the investigation, snitches get stitches mentality and are basically really scared that they have to testify in open court. One thing they all know of and want is that government victim assistant money. Try solving those.
Then you have a heater case, example: all those people were shot by the school last year. The one where Mc drunk came to the area and begged the d unit to have it solved because city hall was putting pressure on him to get it solved.
These are just some of the reasons the clearance rate is so low and not the lack of the detectives efforts. Are there slackers in the d unit? Yes, but also in every unit in this department.
No I am not a quitter and will not go back to patrol, just giving you a perspective from the other side of the coin
Anonymous said...
I suppose we will soon be seeing the Daley Vanecko Private Investigation Company working for the city.
4/05/2014 02:18:00 AM
You already have that; it was formerly called Area 3 Detectives, now it goes by Area North Detective Agency.
how would you like to be sitting next to one of these demoted dicks in a beat car--- salty as hell and pissed off at the department just like me--- nothing wrong with pushing a beat car, less stress and you are the commander of your car for 9 hours....
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Can't wait till they close all the district stations between 7pm and 7am. Just like in Detroit. It is coming to a precinct near you.
4/05/2014 01:05:00 AM
Just not in the ghetto, they stay up all night there. You can't expect them to get up and do business during the day like normal humans.
That order is part of the lawsuit the city settled with Daley's detail they got their pay and a settlement they can't reveal.
looks like the very ugly tie and sportcoat racks at the salvation army discount stores will be full soon....
There should be a way to move an non-working officer back to PPO status using the same system. That and maybe a move from the district of assignment. I'm sick of working with POs who spend all night complaining about about how much work they narrowly avoided.
What is the clearance rate, again? Oh ya. Tell me how you earn your $100,000 again!
I think detectives did this to themselves. Cpd is always great at ruining a good thing. There are some really good hard working detectives, but there are also some super lazy dog asses. They should be able to dump the ones that aren't doing their job.
Well, Well, Well
What do you slugs have to say now Mr. BIG CITY DICK???
Read the new order and go cry as you look at yourself in the mirror.
Don't drip any hairgel on your suit.
4/05/2014 03:27:00 AM
The operative word is "new" order. The guy was right until this new order came out, so stop crowing like a hormonal rooster.
THANK YOU PETE NICKEAS FROM THE TRIBUNE for the accurate description of the crowd a the shooting on the west side tosay.
Keep up the good work!!!!
BTW, ive met pete at crime scenes. He knows.
Now go outand get more contact cards. Get them numbers to get on tac or keep your stupid car. All we look like is a bunchmof scared lil bitches because we dont stand together. Bring it on 9.5.
I personally have a respectable clearance rate; however, I'm sure I'll get swept up in a pogrom when they shutter Area North thanks to the merit assholes sitting around me.
to 4/05/2014 12:38:00 AM.....if you want to spread rumors, please, at least get the names right. It's Garry, not Gerry.
no auto theft unit for many years
that's silly
now we have chop shops again
is there a vice unit???
Any D2 or D2A or D3 non-Sgt position has always been able to be dumped back to D1 for just cause, this is nothing new. Someone posted in another thread about it probably being in response to the people dumped off the mayors detail suing. I think they are right. I wouldn't be to concerned about it. The ones they would try and dump are the ones who have clout and do little to no work. Then their clout will get involved or make it a "you are picking on me because I'm (fill in the blank)". Very few if anyone will get dumped.
Signed
Old Det who has no problem working a beat car. I'm a PO (Blue shirt) assigned as Detective. (Unfortunately some of my fellow Dicks seem to forget where they came from)
Finally detective should be made an promotion and rank. No other department disrespects its detective like CPD DOES. It's a rank in every other major police department including the NYPD. Why the hatred toward the D Unit. They are discriminated by the department and the fop does nothing. Example: detectives are the only ones that cannot work any overtime initiatives. Sergeants, ET's, K-9, FTO's , and P.O.'s can work VRI but detectives are put on a supplemental list and can't never get to work it. Angelo you need to correct this wrong, these two orders affect every blue shirt.
Why the hatred of the D unit? Come spend some time at the meritocracy that is Area North. The ratio of working experienced detectives to merit slugs is about 1:2. This includes the Koschman Kover-up Kids imported from #650 and their merit supervisors. Dump them all.
This order is directed at the dog asses, many of whom are mentioned, either by initial or in generalizations. The fact is we all know FTO's who do a terrible job. And, a few detectives as well. 99% do a great job, but why should that 1% be allowed to make everybody have to work harder and make everybody look bad. They aren't being fired and even the demotion will be a very difficult thing to do. But maybe a few slugs will get the message. I think anybody who gets demoted will be universally recognized as someone well deserving as the demotion. There are lots of good officers who would love a chance to do a job that a few take for granted.
I think the Dets that have to worry are the guys that haven't made an arrest in over a year or two. There are quite a few and how do you defend that. If you ain't arresting you ain't detecting. You ain't doing your job!
"He gone" keep voting democrats in chump.
es are the only ones that cannot work any overtime initiatives. Sergeants, ET's, K-9, FTO's , and P.O.'s can work VRI but detectives are put on a supplemental list and can't never get to work it. Angelo you need to correct this wrong, these two orders affect every blue shirt.
Detectives can't work any special employment initiatives? Bullshit. They show-up to all sorts of special employment initiatives and simply park the squad and don't do any work. Watch housing special close-up shop in a few periods, too. CHA doesn't want to keep pissing away money either. Take this one to the bank.
I think the Dets that have to worry are the guys that haven't made an arrest in over a year or two. There are quite a few and how do you defend that. If you ain't arresting you ain't detecting. You ain't doing your job!
"He gone" keep voting democrats in chump.
everything on this department is based on clout nothing else including promotion so if you dont live in the 11th or 19th ward and have no phoner call you are a pfl (parolman for life). i could care less and dont feel sorry for none these persons
ps im still a worker who does his job and backs up his fellow officers)
That includes Sgt's and Lt's- you can be demoted too
4/05/2014 01:17:00 AM
Sgt and Lt rank is covered by civil service protections and can not be demoted on a whim. It basically takes an act of Congress to have them lose that protected rank. Captains rank is not covered by civil service any longer.
I scoured the Dept site and couldn't find shit...Someone post a link please!
Years ago there was a little Irish guy with a real hard head that worked out of Gang Investigations for Harvey Radney. They got into it and he told Harvey. How things run in the CPD and he can't be dumped. Harvey said your right but watch this. Hard headed Irish kid was on a phone order to call back unit in uniform with his D2a pay. Of course a grievance was filed but the arbitrator ruled as long as he did not loose any pay he could be assigned anywhere in any capacity that the city (Harvey) wanted. He retired shortly thereafter.
Sometimes you win the battle but you loose the war
Sun times has article about detectives training. Seems they are now going to collect evidence, such as DNA and do the ET's job.
Coincidence that this directive about D-3's just came out?
A city of savages. More dangerous than Iraq.
The city, county and state are broke, broken and
corrupt. And the sheeples keep voting the democrats
into office. Pathetic. Nothing will change except
a continuing rise in violent crime.
MS
Another one that says read the NEW order.
The dics under Burge were reinstated with full pay by an arbitraitor
No one has named or claimed a dic since the early 90s has been dumped
The city historically makes decisions that it later gets in trouble for
But I'm totally bored with this now Believe what you want and hate everything if that makes you happy
Things about being a Det that is often misunderstood. You usually don't get to go home on time. WC will never tell you you can't have OT because he doesn't want to find anyone else to finish your job. You can't blow off court. That crappy case report you wrote and will never see again always ends up in the hands of a Det. Often you have to cancel your Spec. Employment because you're still working OT on some case. High divorce rate. While you're working on a case you're often being assigned a couple more. You do not have a partner, and DOG mean nothing because you often have to work through your first day off. What great job!
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-police-woman-left-5-dogs-in-car-for-hours-while-at-bucktown-bar-20140405,0,878879.story
Who is the idiot who arrested this woman under the Humane Care for Animals Act? I love dogs too but I don't think 5 hours in a car without food and water is going to harm them! They are dogs! It's not like it was 10 below or super warm. Wow, just wow.
Puts a premium on a good side job. With one, you control your maximum upside while keeping the fringe benes. Without one, you're as beholding to the clout as we were before we got a contract.
It is appalling to realize just how uninformed most of you are about this department. You don't seem to realize that this order actually does a favor. Up till now those ranks could be demoted on a whim, and in the past this happened with regularity, up at least until the advent of unionization in the early 80's. Prior to that dumping of Detectives, the only D@ rank other than Dispatcher, had their ranks thinned periodically. This was usually at the whim of the Lieutenant commanding each area section. It happened regularly and was a great motivator to perform as expected.
There has been nothing preventing the department from demoting the se ranks, other than pressure from the union and the need to justify the demotion. Now a procedure is in place that delineates how the demotion can occur, and it appears to be with great difficulty.
I also read the arguments about whether Detective is a promotion or not. It definitely is not. It and the other specified positions are appointed positions, much like command exempt ranks. They are not Career Service ranks, and therefore are not promotions.. How the department chooses to pick people to fill these ranks is at the department's discretion. They choose to use a test of some kind. Actually, as a matter of fact, at one time, prior to the "gold braid" bills, Detectives, much like exempts, had additional monies that were paid into the pension at the higher rank refunded to them at the time of their demotion.
Many of you should learn to read and understand the history of this job before expressing your opinions.
Wthis is all part of the Communist City of Chicago's Regime. Don't you get it yet? It has nothing to do with the Chicago Police Department, they just do what they're told to do by the Rulers, who want a slow, steady path to sociatal unrest, so Martial Law can be implemented by them, right on cue. There are several right here in Chicagoland-Illinois Government, and they can't wait to see the destruction of Chicago, and the USA. They just can't make it look too obvious, in order to maintain political control of the Sheeple. Drop the frog in boiling water, it realizes it's being burnt alive, put the frog into a pot of room tenperature water and slowly increase the heat, he doesnt realize he's being burnt to death until it's too late. Heed Gods warning, April 15th .
Rahmmy and McCompost goal is 500 or fewer Detectives. It was going to take to long by retirements so this will be a fast track to get to the number by 2016. Detective Sgts will be pressured to reduce the number if they fail to comply they will be shipped out and be replaced by sheep Sgts.
Waiting for years to become a detective , under 100 out on list. Finally a good idea , we have detectives that shuffle paper work all day , a civilian or patrolman could do the job . There are detectives that don't make arrests , get arrest warrants or clear cases .
Time to unload the dead wood , promote the next 100 , we're ready to take on the responsibility and work load .
We have been waiting years for the chance, dump the bottom 10% , assign house cats back to field duty and if they can't cut it bye bye .detective division needs new blood .
You guys are so soft, this shit is in the contract already, it's called DISCIPLINE AND JUST CAUSE.... There hasn't been a detective demoted in 30 years, if the city wanted to remove them they could the process was and is in place.... And this is also a CONTRACT issue! the city has to NEGOTIATE discipline, what are we in right now?????? Yes contract negotiations, so they will have to negotiate any discipline they just can't implement it.....
Try reading you FOP contract b4 you come in here and start crying like a bunch if whipped dogs.
And again, if they want to send a bunch of dicks back to patrol cuz of BUDGET guess what they have to PAY them D2a. Why you think dicks can't work the marathon OT, the VRI, lakefront OT, etc.... There is arbitration upon arbitration, it is a PROMOTION and can only be taken away for JUST CAUSE......
You guys are so soft, this shit is in the contract already, it's called DISCIPLINE AND JUST CAUSE.... There hasn't been a detective demoted in 30 years, if the city wanted to remove them they could the process was and is in place.... And this is also a CONTRACT issue! the city has to NEGOTIATE discipline, what are we in right now?????? Yes contract negotiations, so they will have to negotiate any discipline they just can't implement it.....
Try reading you FOP contract b4 you come in here and start crying like a bunch if whipped dogs.
And again, if they want to send a bunch of dicks back to patrol cuz of BUDGET guess what they have to PAY them D2a. Why you think dicks can't work the marathon OT, the VRI, lakefront OT, etc.... There is arbitration upon arbitration, it is a PROMOTION and can only be taken away for JUST CAUSE......
Really, numerous Detectives should be dumped due to utter incompetence. However, Chicago goon-style politics will brevail, and the clouted ones, (aka-"Meritorious") will stay as Dicks, while others are launched. And to tbe Hair-Gel Jello-Heads who think being a Detective is about making arrests, you have no clue. Working a beat car or Tact is like playing in Little League, compared to the Major Leagues of the Detective Division. Thats why CPD Dicks work in conjunction with outside Agencies like Suburban, County, State PD's, FBI, Secret Service, U.S. Customs, Treasury, Marshals, U.S. Attorney, Military Police, U.S. Postal Police, etc; and you don't. So STFU and get a clue before speaking nonsense. Really, think about it, just about any idiot can arrest someone. Remember when Barney Fife arrested Gomer, Goober, and half the town of Mayberry? Well, You, are Barney, you're just too dumb to realize it.
Sgt and LT are civil service and all others are not. Therefore, a test is not protection against demotion. But soon, sgts and lts will be all merit
Good! Why should you get paid more for taking pictures all day (ET) or sitting on a horse, or in a boat, or playing with a dog all day. Patrol is the backbone of this dept. Everyone knows this cuz that's where we all started. What do most DICS (or should I say DICKS) do anyways, suspend investigations that's all. C'mon man
CRIME IS WAY DOWN! - 14 shot, one fatally, since 8 p.m., including 6 at West Side party
10:48 a.m. CDT, April 5, 2014
"A 'pair of' [two] gunmen shot six people, one fatally, at a West Side party early Saturday morning, trapping partygoers in a crossfire as one opened fire toward a back porch from an alley while someone else opened fire from the front door once people tried to run inside.
"Eight other people were wounded across the city overnight since about 8 p.m.
"The first to open fire at the party, in an apartment at the corner of Wilcox Street and Kostner Avenue in the West Garfield Park neighborhood, was an unknown gunman from the alley. People running back into the apartment building from the back porch about 1:10 a.m. were confronted by a man at the front door who also opened fire..."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-2-wounded-in-separate-west-side-shootings-20140404,0,1187304.story
WHOO!
Where else can Rahm get the money for his continuing clouted construction projects?
These corrupt politicians will pull gold from a dead man's mouth to continue their fuckery.
"...drink Hamm's beer, smoke White Owl cigars, and watch old boxing matches from the 1940's."
4/05/2014 12:39:00 AM
>cue up sound of Indian tom-tom drums, singer with deep bass voice<
"Hamm's, the beer refreshing... Hamm's, the beer refreshing..."
We drift off on the Sky-Blue Waters until the test pattern appears, then "PSSSSSSSSSSS..."
It kills me how negative some of these patrolman can be lol, I know you are upset because you could not make Detective but believe or not, its not the same in the D unit. In the property side we got to deal with handouts galore, narcotic arrest debriefing ( because the sup cannot not confide on the narco officers to do their job) and coppers making up stories n lies lol
They should really eliminate the narcotics unit, they are useless "one rock arrest can i go home now" p.o.'s. , they should leave that to the tact officers in the district.
Quit your whining kid and get some time on the job....
God they just made FTOs. Can't they leave anyone alone?
A few decades ago, before the union, detectives were "dumped" every year, allegedly the lowest 10%. This was determined by the commanders. When the union came in and we had grievance procedures where you could challenge this BS, the demotions stopped. However, anyone can name people who should have been demoted over the years because they were truly dead weight. I sure hope this is being done fairly.
I know of a few Dicks back in the 80's that got dumped, one was a good guy but drunk all the time, then went out and robbed or attempted to rob a convenient store on State and Ohio, got hit in the head with a pipe and got caught, they demoted him and then he got convicted and fired. 2 k-9 handlers have been demoted in the last 10 yrs. that I can account for.
Shit they had about 1200 dets at one time if u included dets, YOs, & GCSs. Now they are down to 800 or so. How low do they want to get it. One Det for each murder fuck everything else?
OT --
West Side party shootings --
"A number of the partygoers appeared intoxicated, cursed at police, ran under the crime scene tape and shouted in general about poor police response. One woman was carried out by her limbs by officers, who set her down outside the crime scene tape. A number of the obscenities were directed at the race of the officers, who were primarily white. A black officer was singled out by a woman in the crowd for being on the wrong side."
I take it that she felt that the black officer should also have been firing on the partygoers.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-2-wounded-in-separate-west-side-shootings-20140404,0,1187304.story
A detective can be reduced to patrol officer, but the city has a large burden to overcome. There has to be just cause, and inefficiency is not enough. If they want to dump a detective from the south bureau for inefficiency he/she must also be the least efficient of all detectives in the city. That is a hard thing to prove. There is no solid rating system in place in the detectives that reflects all that they do. Dumps used to be common until the union came along.
Oh, you mean the NEW directive about detectives getting dumped.
See I don't have a crystal ball like you do and could not have predicted that they would come out with a NEW directive to do such a thing.
I guess when they drop the speed limit on the highway I'll really have been speeding all these years and can be held accountable.
And the city is ALWAYS right when they go ahead with NEW policies and directives, such as no out of pay grade for sgts for the DSS debacle, Behavior Intervention System, NATO work week pay etc. etc. etc. They have never ever been called out by a judge or a court room in error.
This has already been played out in court rooms and arbitration hearings where it was ruled that if you give a civil service test, its a promotion. See despite the city referring to it as "assigned", for 80% of us its "earned".
Did you know that the two dics demoted over the Burge scandal were reinstated to detective with back pay by an arbitrator? I can only imagine the excitement on your face when you saw this, like a kid on Christmas. Oh boy the city is using the word removal instead of demoted, now there is no way that it can fail now.
You had the issue clarified? What did you write the directive and forward it to MLA? Were you the kid who reminded the teacher to give homework? Don't be a hater and don't be surprised if the city rescinds this in the next few days.
Signed Det. ASSHAT
SCC there are two orders out. One defines on how the department can return a D2, D2A, and D3 position holder back to patrol. The order basically states if a supervisor has a hard on for a particular officer they can recommend a hearing to have the officer shipped back to patrol. That is some scary shit, 80% of those positions are EARNED NOT GIVEN!
4/05/2014 12:48:00 AM
While I agree with 99% of your post, 80%? Seriously? 30% merit drops that to 70%, then we have another 15 - 20% that are "given" answers...
Lets call it an even 50% that EARN shit around here.
OT
Too bad. God speed.
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So now they want to be rid of D-3 D2A D2 and Mass Transit. This should be an interesting test for our new FOP leadership. Forget that thought I'm going to start packing my bags now. This guy McCarthy could of been Capone's enforcer.
What will all the juiced up Dick Sgts do if there are no more Dicks??
29 years and I just bid to the airport....sweeeet...land on my feet with under 100 days to go to retirement. Yes, it's all about me right now.
I'm hoping this order is an incentive for the dog detectives to pick up the pace and do their job. Can't stand when they come out and give you the feeling they're being bothered, or you interrupted their lunch. This is only for the dogs, the job still has a couple of handfuls of hard working and intelligent detectives.
Please, please bring Jody!!
I'm a K-9 handler who considers himself as an aggressive proactive law enforcement officer. The problem is my dog. He's lazy, non-attentive, constantly licking himself, sniffs the bosses butt. OOPs my fault I just described my old partner, my dog is perfect. Arf Arf
Remember when detectives came out? They all stood over 6 feet tall with a little bit of a gut, gray hair, and a red face. They would carry a book, binder, rolled up paper, and soon as your arrestee opened his mouth, WHACK! They would usually say you don't have anything here kid, but they would get felony charges approved. Let the court gravy train begin. The days before hair gel and styling combs. I still respect you old timers.
OT --
No charges for man with concealed carry permit who fired at armed male
12:29 p.m. CDT, April 5, 2014
"A 53-year-old South Austin man with a valid concealed carry permit was able to shoot at two men who tried to accost him outside of his home early this morning.
"The incident happened about 2:40 a.m. on the 5400 block of West Van Buren Street...
"The man was walking from his garage to the front of his home when two males in hoodies appeared in a gangway between his home and the neighbor's home...
"One of the two men pulled a handgun from his waistband and pointed at the man who took out his own gun and managed to fire several times at the males...
"The males fled the area without being struck and the shooting did not result in any property damage...
"After the shooting, police responded and determined that the man was shooting in self-defense. The man had a valid firearm owner's identification card, a valid concealed carry permit and police were able to determine that he had completed a required concealed carry class and was properly trained...
"The man is not facing charges as police search for the two males, described as a tall male and a short male. Those two face charges."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-cops-no-charges-for-man-with-concealed-carry-permit-who-fired-at-armed-male-20140405,0,2472485.story
Thanks, Trib. With a description like that people will "get engaged" and know just who to look for.
Like I Said said...
I basically got into a pissing match with a goof on this blog a few days ago trying to convince him that an appointment to Detective is not a promotion. Just an appointment because it is NOT a rank.
A detective could always be dumped for just cause back to a D-1.
This new order just spells it out better.
For the asshat who did not think a detective could ever get dumped, get some time on the job before you shoot your mouth off hairgel.
4/05/2014 12:06:00 AM
Is this the same moron that has to pick a fight with someone on each and every post? Anger management? Counseling services at 3-0378.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
It use to be the custom that when they promoted a P.O. to Det, they demoted a Det. to make room for him.
4/05/2014 02:03:00 AM
Bullshit.
Phatty Cline appeased Daley by merging a bunch of Youth and Gang zofficers into Detectives. That was stupidity and politics, and the stupidity and politics continue to this day.
Anonymous said...
Everyone knows that NYPD is the finest most innovative and cost effective PD in the world. The Big Guy is ex NYPD. Is this his idea of how to more closely align the rank structure of CPD with NYPD? Or, is it a new scheme to screw CPD and shift a portion of police funds to other City uses?
It all sounds very suspect.
4/05/2014 12:17:00 AM
Seem to remember that NYPD does not accept Federal Money and therefore does not have to engage in politically [Affirmative Action] motivated hiring and promotions to Detectives, who are promoted there based on Merit. not sure if it is still like that or not.
Looks like a stupid-has to author a report and suck up some real personal liability. How much were you bragging you have in deferred comp Boss?
Anonymous said...
Hey
Unless you are a sergeant you ain't shit.
4/05/2014 12:10:00 AM
Yes, then you can call Wilding Criminals, "Exhuberent Youths" to suck-hole to your suck-hole Superiors, who then suck hole to the suck-hole Supt. who then suck-holes to the suck-hole Mayor, and the Suck Hole Lamestream Media, so they can all pander and suck-hole to the Low-Information Voters of Chicagoland, as they sit watching Dancing with the Stars, Mordern Family, oprah, and Jerry Springer, with their thumbs up their asses, drinking a 40 oz; smoking a blunt, and eatin Cheetos Flaming Hots and Pork Rinds, while jerking off on their Mommy's couch. If that don't cut it, you can let your troops fuck off at Bourbon Street in the burbs for hours, so they'll buy you some beers at the Gin Mill after work, or you can release a white woman from the lockup after a bullshit charge, kick her loose in the ghetto, and let the savages maul her and throw her out a project window. Yeah, you Sergeants are just great. The pride of the fleet.
Detective is basically an exempt/appointed rank. Can be demoted. I spent 32 years in homicide and saw several get demoted without just cause. With the contract the department must show just cause. Believe me I have seen good men dumped for no good reason. Today I'd venture to say 30/40% of the detectives today would not have survived in the old days. In the past once you went to detective school you had to be personally interviewed by chief of Dets. Then by area commander and finally unit commander to get onto homicide. That was when there was a70/75% clear up rate. They should start the dumps again. Maybe the Division will get better. Today dets. Just talk a good game.
The advocate may not cross-examine or question members of the Review Board
To Anonymous 02:36
The main reason you can't get the Mobile Crime Lab to your scene is because there are only around a dozen FIs let in the unit. The shifts were cut from three to two. You no longer get two FIs responding to your scene either. If your lucky enough to have a Crime Lab unit available you get one FI and an ET. No FIS have been promoted since around 2006.
Ret. 177
This got something to do with the Koschman case?
It's funny how blue shirts pay for all the wrongs of the Merit Hacks. The blue shirts get shit on in every unit. From the D unit to any unit, blue shirts pay the price while the white shirts skate free and clear. Sick of this bulllshit. Twenty years on and I hate this job!!! I'm not doing a damn thing. Try to make me McCarty. There's not a damn thing you can do. Zero. I work days in a nice district. Take a great furlough and spend as much time as I can with my family. You offered me one percent a year. I give you one percent. One contact card in 8 hours. How you like me now Homie? Fuck you and the Detective's Exam. This dept has been destroyed by merits. Pena, Georgas, Flores, Guiliford, Schmidt, Kirby, Wysinger. All rats and merit clowns. Yes men. No leadership. Fuck all of you!!!
It's happening.It's happening.Ram has us hating each other.Patrolmen hate Tac people,Tac hates dicks dicks hate Sgts. Mounted hate Marine Marine hate K-9 K-9 hate e-Techs.Gary hates everybody.Even if we were a UNION and did call for a strike no one would cause we all hate each other.Together we can.Bull shit.We never will.
lets have a class of evidence techs!way to short!we need help!!
You should read the directive. It's not going to be an easy process to dump someone. They have to start leaving a paper trail, etc. All this is, is a starting point if they wanted to dump someone.
And read the orders, you are promoted to Detective.
It's not going to be easy, Read the order. I think it's more for dead weight or if you really mess up, It gives them the option to have you removed.
You are reading too much into it. It's not too change or get rid of entire divisions, It's about getting rid of certain people and establishes a process to do it which wasn't there before.
I am going to speak the truth and get a lot of flak from it. But here is the God awful truth; too many officers are not doing shit every single day. I mean, how in the world can you come to check off with zero activity? No movers, no parkers, no contact cards, no arrests, etc..???
I mean not even a traffic stop so you can fill out a blue card? Or even perhaps two parkers and two contact cards?
Off topic- but wouldn't you rather see this story headline read.....
Governor Quinn announces State has an extra 16.5 million, will put in pension funds to make up for previous missed contributions. Chicago Mayor Announces City of Chicago will do the same....
Wait I am dreaming. The state and city are broke.....when they want to be broke.
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Channel 7 news story today.
-- Governor Quinn allocated $16.5 million in investments for 46 local park projects across Illinois.
The investments will enhance communities across the state, and are part of Governor Quinn's agenda to ensure that no child is left inside.
"Parks and outdoor recreational activities help make Illinois a great place to live and work," Governor Quinn said in a release.
The statement said the projects will be funded through the Open Space Lands Acquisition and Development program and administered by the Illinois Department of Natural Resources.
"These projects will create jobs, allow more families to get active outdoors and promote healthy lifestyles,'' Quinn said.
OT:
CCW works./
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-cops-no-charges-for-man-with-concealed-carry-permit-who-fired-at-armed-male-20140405,0,2472485.story
Perhaps it is time to end the "Detective Division", once and for all. It sounds so 19th Crntury, black & whit TV-ish, Dragnet, Kojack, Baretta-ish. Replace with Investigations Bureau, and Investigators instead of Dicks, that's soooo Burge-ish and old.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Phatty Cline appeased Daley by merging a bunch of Youth and Gang zofficers into Detectives. That was stupidity and politics, and the stupidity and politics continue to this day.
4/05/2014 02:30:00 PM
Maybe you are too young to remember this KID,,, but it was the same test to get into Youth, or dick or gang specialist..You just had to take what came along if you were smart enough to check all 3 boxes. And yes I know Al Jagaloon didn't want Youth and gangs combined into the high almighty dick division, but no one really cared about his position or opinion (except him)
Are PO Crossing Guard Supervisors D2?
I can't see how this would stand up in court for demoting a detective. You are given two tests to even be considered for detective. If you are lucky enough to score high enough to get made or make it by merit, you attend a almost 3 month academy for training, take and must pass a state board test. If you make it through all of that, you graduate, the department gives you a new title, star number, Hat shield, pay raise,more responsibility and accountability. I know everyone says it's not a promotion, then why do they have to meet all of those standards, why does the department change your star title and number and why does the department call it a Chicago police detectives promotional ceremony when you graduate. If this can pass the mustar of the courts everyone who ever passes a exam and gets made should be worried. That includes Sgt's and Lt's- you can be demoted too. This is also a contractual issue! What I can see happening out of this is a detective be just that- not a police officer assigned as a detective. Someone tell me how the process of becoming a detective is any different than the process of becoming a sgt or Lt? Are there bad or lazy detectives absolutely, there is also bad and lazy, officers, Sgt's, Lt's and so on. Believe or not there are spots within the detective division that detectives don't want to work, but must be filled, that's what you do with those people! You don't demote them unless they were made by merit, only people who were made by merit should be eligible for demotion. We will see how this plays out
Obviously, you don't understand how Crook County Courts work, Jack. It's not about the Laws, it's about the Agenda. The Agenda of manipulating for power and control.
"THANK YOU PETE NICKEAS FROM THE TRIBUNE for the accurate description of the crowd at the shooting on the west side today.
"Keep up the good work!!!!
"BTW, ive met pete at crime scenes. He knows."
4/05/2014 09:24:00 AM
Yeah, ditto! That was really decent. This kind of behavior has become the norm, yet is so seldom reported for what it is.
They want po-lice outa the hood, take care they own bidness. You'd have week-old bodies laying around on the street with hungry "rib dogs" tearin off pieces if the "community" was left to its own devices.
I am going to speak the truth and get a lot of flak from it. But here is the God awful truth; too many officers are not doing shit every single day. I mean, how in the world can you come to check off with zero activity? No movers, no parkers, no contact cards, no arrests, etc..???
I mean not even a traffic stop so you can fill out a blue card? Or even perhaps two parkers and two contact cards?
*PO Crossing Guard Supervisors Work Damn it stop your hate crusade
Listen , get rid of the crime lab .
Train current ET's as detectives , train all detectives how to use a camera , dust for fingerprints and collect evidence . It's not that difficult . Train all future recruits how to dust for prints . Crime lab is not necessary.
"I mean not even a traffic stop so you can fill out a blue card?"
That's exactly why I don't do any traffic stops!
Because asswipe "Community activist" POTUS as a State legislator came up with the Bee Ess Blue card non-sense to paint all of us as racist police, to enhance his street cred in the ghetto community. That was the only accomplishment he can claim credit for in his short time here, while he climbed the political ladder. For everything else he voted present. That's the political equivalent of being a "dog ass".
So Fuck that! In 2016 or whenever the study ends, then maybe I'll enforce some 625 ILCS.
You're right about it being the god awful truth..but don't judge those you perceive as being a dog ass..too many of us have been hurt spiritually, mentally, physically, on this JOB!..and had our career paths on CPD altered by the chosen few who think they Lord over us like peasants! After being harmed a few times..you go into self preservation mode! Now it's about me and getting the pension. Oh wait..they are even trying to fuck us out of that too!
Let me give you some advice, I got almost 20 years ago. Don't worry about what everyone else is doing, you can't control that..you can only control what you do. If you go home at night and sleep well thinking you made a difference out here..great! But leave the dog asses alone, you don't know where they've been. Everyone on CPD has a story!
Rant over!
Anonymous said...
Detective is basically an exempt/appointed rank. Can be demoted. I spent 32 years in homicide and saw several get demoted without just cause. With the contract the department must show just cause. Believe me I have seen good men dumped for no good reason. Today I'd venture to say 30/40% of the detectives today would not have survived in the old days. In the past once you went to detective school you had to be personally interviewed by chief of Dets. Then by area commander and finally unit commander to get onto homicide. That was when there was a70/75% clear up rate. They should start the dumps again. Maybe the Division will get better. Today dets. Just talk a good game.
Hey gumshoe. It's YOU who wouldn't last a period as a homicide detective in THIS era.
I'd have a 75% clearance rate if I could hold some jag off for 96 hours without a camera. If you think being a dic in this day and age is the same as when you needed your call box key you haven't been paying attention.
What was YOUR clearance rate? You sound pretty stupid to be anywhere near 75%.
OT, she's back.......
http://www.cpdmemorial.org/events/2014-firearms-fashion-show/
Let's face it, when I came on over 25 years ago, people who joined the police department wanted to be police officers. Today a lot of people just took a job. I'm sorry the college theory is not working for this job.
Anonymous said...
When should the commander of the mayors detail be getting dumped due to his involvement in the Koschman case plus he has no clue on how to run it and every boss thinks he is a joke.
4/05/2014 08:07:00 AM
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We get it already. You hate the commander because he dumped you or you blame him for some injustice you suffered. You can't make your wishes come true no matter how often you post on the different threads. Let it go or you'll have stroke.
time to make a class of evidence techs now!dicks to handle in station ,and ETS will handle the field!lets make a class of 30 EVIDENCE TECHS off the list!way short!!
To 3:38 P.M. I don't mean to insult your lack of experience or intelligence but if you don't know this, City Hall is raping you in the butt. This isn't a Fifth Grade 400 Word Essay this is a Corrupt City/STATE GOVERNMENT that has purposefully allowed Manpower,Equipment,Pension and Morale to be destroyed. It won't make sense to you until you or a friend of yours is being cut out of a car because you are sent 99 across a District for an in progress job. I know what you are saying because 20 yrs ago I thought the same thing, but please listen to your Old Timers.
Remember a Det. Is NOT a rank. It's a job code title change form patrolman to patrolman assigned as detective. This will be utilized to get work out of these Det.s that don't do very much, like having a 30% clearance rate. Back in the day Det.s were dumped but it stopped for various reasons. When the new detectives stars were issued that said "detective" on them it was for Federal funding since the Feds maintained that the CPD didn't have Det.s since their stars said patrolman. The city changed it for the federal $$$$. The more detectives the more fed $$$ hence making YO"s and GCS detectives . Now with all these detectives and an abysmal clearance rate there is no need for all these Det.s making good money with overtime. Before rotating with watches you had to have activity in order for a watch to pick you up and keep you. If you didn't produce, you got dumped and were in midnight limbo. Look for the dept. To add 200+ detectives to the patrol division. Looks like a detective is coming soon to your watch so now we can get some time due, after all were all wear blue.
Retired after 30 years and been gone for 8 now. I can't believe the hatred and petty jealousy between the coppers who post on this blog. I've NEVER seen nor heard the vitriol spewed by you people during those 30 years. You should all pack it in. You lost. The city has divided and conquered. The FOP is so f@cked up and you can barely agree on who to lead it.
Get your sh!t together, start mending fences, work together as one and overcome. Good luck, you all will need it.
This order reaffirms what we have been saying for years in patrol. The last 10 years of merit have produced a lot of pooches and people who lack any law enforcement skills.
The best group of Detectives came out of A/1 about 10 years ago. With the exception of KB he should of became a tailor the way he worked everyone's coat tails.
Wood woof ..... Now keep your eyes closed and guess was that me or my dog?
Can't wait till they close all the district stations between 7pm and 7am. Just like in Detroit. It is coming to a precinct near you
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Don't laugh, talk is heavy on this. No desk, no lock up doors locked during these times. Example, two close districts like 010 and 011. 010 closes and the note on the door says go to 011 or call 311.
Outrage, b.s. Let the people beef andthe media will whiye wash it all for Rahm.
Lights out, just like a factory.
I should have known something was up with puppy exam. I was sitting on panel when candidate walked in and boss gave a wink. Only asked the candidate one question "what sound does a dog make?" The candidate responded "meow." Boss replied great answer because I never told you what kind of dog. The boss said to keep this legit how many feet are in a yard? The reply "who's yard we talking about and is there a party going on? Shot the candidate up to the top of the list. Names have been changed to protect the innocent.
4/05/2014 03:38:00 PM
Brother I agree with you. All they do is bitch about sgt's giving them shit....because they don' do shit.
I use to be K9 but my dog Scrappy kept chewing up my cruiser loafers. So Scrappy and I went separate ways. He's with another handler and I'm back in patrol on days wearing my favorite loafers and coding all my jobs out from inside my cruiser 19-P he probably misses all the girls that would be attracted to me and used petting my dog as a ploy.
Let's Strike. Illegal my ass. The only ones that shouldn't strike are PPOs, they can't fire all 9k of us. It takes 6 months to train one new class so it's not like they can replace us. Cmon let's get some balls and strike let's see what they do. Let's pick a weekend or 2 in July. Fri-sun. Haaaaa I bet were making a 6 figure salary by Monday morning. Could u imagine this city without us?? Sure bring in the natl guard or let cook county try to handle it. Hahahaa go ahead fire all 9000 of us rahm, I dare you to. Fucking pussy ass dept. we don't have a sack, illegal my ass. You want to see who has the power and who runs this city rahm???STRIKE!!!!! The only reason these pussy politicians made that law is because they know how much they would have to pay if we were allowed to walk out. I would enjoy the blood bath wouldn't you??
Anonymous Anonymous said...
What will all the juiced up Dick Sgts do if there are no more Dicks??
4/05/2014 01:18:00 PM
Work for a living perchance?
Half you shits don't do shit all shift other than Hide if your in a district North of Chicago.
018, 019, 020 and 024 are jokes between 5am and 5pm. All you all do is Fight Revenue for Rush Hour and Street Cleaning tickets. The Entertainment unit in 019 spends half the night trying to pick up drunk chicks. Foot patrols hang out on Bryn Mawr checking meters and tow zones.
Be Fucking proactive
/regards
Ald Smith
43rd Ward
It's happening.It's happening.Ram has us hating each other.Patrolmen hate Tac people,Tac hates dicks dicks hate Sgts. Mounted hate Marine Marine hate K-9 K-9 hate e-Techs.Gary hates everybody.Even if we were a UNION and did call for a strike no one would cause we all hate each other.Together we can.Bull shit.We never will.
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maybe you do but not me.. I think you take this whole work thing too serious. I could give a sh*t what rank or positions somebody is. I cant stand it when people dont like somebody because they are a "dog".. thats work related, who cares. If I can talk to somebody and they are a decent person then thats what I judge them on, not what they do at work... I could care less if somebody is a worker, dog, desk guy, wagon man, sgt, lt etc. if they are cool and not a hardo who only talks about work work work and war stories then they are ok in my book. Stop hating everybody, no need for it.
I mean not even a traffic stop so you can fill out a blue card? Or even perhaps two parkers and two contact cards?
How can dickheads like you continue to bring in numbers while we cant get a contract and they are stealing our pension. Wake up Kool Aid boy.
Anonymous said...
You should read the directive. It's not going to be an easy process to dump someone. They have to start leaving a paper trail, etc. All this is, is a starting point if they wanted to dump someone.
And read the orders, you are promoted to Detective.
4/05/2014 03:19:00 PM
Like they did to keep certain officers off the job and on disability by fudging their injuries?
I spent twenty bucks of my hard earned VRI money today at a seance. The ghost of Leroy Martin was raised and he says everything on this blog site is true. Now I'm convinced. I'm sorry I was ever a doubter.
What is the clearance rate, again? Oh ya. Tell me how you earn your $100,000 again!
4/05/2014 09:18:00 AM
The clearance rate has nothing to do with the detectives and everything to do with the system that's been put in place by the politicians, citizens, media, and brass. Get a fucking clue man. A great example that happens on a daily basis is when the detectives arrive at the crime scene and you've let every single witness leave because you don't want to be sued. I don't blame you, but don't lay this shit on the dicks and call them lazy. It's not their fault anymore than it is your fault. You'll have a loser shot dead in the street with a hundred people out there and nobody sees shit. Hell, it's worse than that. They come up to you and give you the WRONG information on purpose. You've got nights where there's 2 E.T's covering the entire city. It takes YEARS to get evidence processed by the ISP. I could go on and on forever about the problems on this department but I guess it's easier to just point at the dicks and call them lazy. I'm sure the clearance rate was above 90% in the 60's and 70's when we could kidnap witnesses and beat the shit out of suspects until they confessed. Welcome to the 21st century pal.
This order is about the lawsuit filed by the guys that got dumped from the Mayor's Detail. A judge ruled they can now sue for being dumped without cause because they held a higher position with more pay and benefits. This order prevents anyone else from sueing because now there is a procedure to remove those persons from those positions.
So calm down.
4/05/2014 01:05:00 AM
Anonymous said...
I can't see how this would stand up in court for demoting a detective. You are given two tests to even be considered for detective. If you are lucky enough to score high enough to get made or make it by merit, you attend a almost 3 month academy for training, take and must pass a state board test. If you make it through all of that, you graduate, the department gives you a new title, star number, Hat shield, pay raise,more responsibility and accountability. I know everyone says it's not a promotion, then why do they have to meet all of those standards, why does the department change your star title and number and why does the department call it a Chicago police detectives promotional ceremony when you graduate. If this can pass the mustar of the courts everyone who ever passes a exam and gets made should be worried. That includes Sgt's and Lt's- you can be demoted too. This is also a contractual issue! What I can see happening out of this is a detective be just that- not a police officer assigned as a detective. Someone tell me how the process of becoming a detective is any different than the process of becoming a sgt or Lt? Are there bad or lazy detectives absolutely, there is also bad and lazy, officers, Sgt's, Lt's and so on. Believe or not there are spots within the detective division that detectives don't want to work, but must be filled, that's what you do with those people! You don't demote them unless they were made by merit, only people who were made by merit should be eligible for demotion. We will see how this plays out
You're an idiot. Dics are PO's assigned as investigators. PATROLMEN ASSIGNED. They did not bid for the spot. They were never "promoted". They are assigned, and as any other PO that's assigned, they can be moved.
Don't try to muddy the situation by comparing them to supervisors. Don't bring up a lawsuit, as they don't have a case. Stop being being stupid.
Many speak of clearing rates......but when the case is cleared and months later some guy admits to it or evidence returned implicates another....... and believe me it's happened.....wow I don't want to be on that paper.......you'll be clearing your desk for a jail cell and there won't be a white shirt to back you either ......so understand that .......compstat is not worth me going to jail .........are we clear....I SAID ARE WE CLEAR.
3:38 PM,
Take it easy, hard charger.
I'm gonna listen to music and eat a combo sandwich for the remainder of my tour.
O.T.
FYI: Otis McDonald a resident of the Morgan Park neighborhood passed away this week. Mr. McDonald is the gentleman who sued the city of Chicago all the way to the Supreme Court for violating his 2nd Amendment right. He helped to start to lay the ground work to lift the gun ban in Chicago and eventually had an affect on the passage of the CCW laws for the state of Illinos.
For the guys in 22 if you know where he lives try to keep an extra eye on his house during the coming week. I am sure some of the undesirables know of his passing and know that they might be able to make a score when the houses empty.
Mounted.... really
the tourists will cry
Thing is we need more cops on the street not horse poop
I think the Dets that have to worry are the guys that haven't made an arrest in over a year or two. There are quite a few and how do you defend that. If you ain't arresting you ain't detecting. You ain't doing your job
You must be a fan of those TV detective stories. You know, working one case for as long as it takes with three or four other guys. No interruptions from handouts, station jobs, court, G&O for the car, etc. Of course the bosses are intelligent and helpful.
Not a clue, not even close to a clue.
Hey SCC, check this out...our friend Jesse Jackson Jr.
http://www.suntimes.com/26661249-761/former-rep-jesse-jackson-jr-transferred-after-prison-dispute.html
"He's cleared of any wrong doing?!" How the hell does he get away with this in prison too?!
Only a matter of time before this happens here?
http://www.examiner.com/article/mourning-for-new-bern-police-officer-marred-by-controversy
New Bern, N.C. Mayor attends cop killer's funeral and then invites killer's family to Officer's vigil . . . WTF !
It use to be the custom that when they promoted a P.O. to Det, they demoted a Det. to make room for him.
4/05/2014 02:03:00 AM
Bullshit.
Not on the CPD it wasn't
A 37 year detective
The Sky is Falling!! The Sky is Falling!!
Now back to regularly scheduled programming.
Anonymous said...
I am going to speak the truth and get a lot of flak from it. But here is the God awful truth; too many officers are not doing shit every single day. I mean, how in the world can you come to check off with zero activity? No movers, no parkers, no contact cards, no arrests, etc..???
I mean not even a traffic stop so you can fill out a blue card? Or even perhaps two parkers and two contact cards?
4/05/2014 03:38:00 PM
This is not flak, just a comment my friend. If you answer your calls and help out citizens in need and yet are so disgusted with this crooked city and don't want to generate a penny or a number for McAhole that's your right. Without a lecture.
Jeez...I'm SOOOOOOO glad I retired 3yrs ago from 377/E.T.I saw the hand writing on the wall.....I feel for all of you guys and gals.............
Remember when detectives came out?...
They would usually say you don't have anything here kid, but they would get felony charges approved...
I still respect you old timers.
Not me. Hated those arrest stealing motherfuckers back then, and still would now, if shit was the same. As a young tac guy in 011, back then, I can't tell you how many quality arrests they fucked us out of, before we figured out what was going on. I understood the pressure they were under. But the basic stealing of other copper's hard work? Naw, I didn't and still don't respect that.
I've been a dic for 10years and have never seen a dic sent back to patrol. I know of one they would have liked to send back and couldn't. We need some help, I hope they hire a class soon!
This is all happening to put people on notice. Dets that are dogs (and there are plenty of them) you better start pulling your weight. McCarthy wants to model CPD like NYPD. I guess NYPD Dets don't test. NYPD officers are put in for detective then go on probation like a PPO. If you don't perform then you're gone. Imagine if the entire D unit was on notice. I bet there would be no more "you got nothing kid". Don't get me wrong I know great detectives that work their asses off. But now imagine the guys on tact or gangs or narcotics or a beat car that work their asses off also. Now, instead of waiting 7-8 years to take a test they can be put in for detective by their supervisors today. I guarantee some guys that are dogs might start working. Who knows. Will clout positions be made, absolutely. But I believe it might be a good incentive for a beat guy that works his ass off, to potentially make detective based on his hard work. Just one PO's opinion.
just one question.
if they decide to downsize the detectives units then who would follow up on the investigation?
couldn't be the patrol could it ?they are already on a job
29 years and I just bid to the airport....sweeeet...land on my feet with under 100 days to go to retirement. Yes, it's all about me right now.
Your a Jack Ass and I'm sure your fellow co-workers can't wait until leave
Today a lot of people just took a job. I'm sorry the college theory is not working for this job
Shut the fuck up and use ur HS degree to bag at Dominick's
Where can you make or 85K with a HS degree?????
Are PO Crossing Guard Supervisors D2?
STOP your hate crusade please get some help
Problem is there are too many inside or "Do Nothings" on the street like community liaison officers crossing guard po supervisors the aldermanic liaison folks insiders in the commanders office, the academy driving school(No recruits then back to the beat come back we recruits are in school)
The Beat Cops work just pull up Peoples activity for the last year Some have Zero Arrests!!!! Zero Enjoy your gig it is ending no Dec and Mounted have to pay for your BS
Times they are a Changing
Are PO Crossing Guard Supervisors D2? NO
Just weekends and holidays off no kiddies in school and No arrests either the best hours too
As for Det's case loads, talk to some property crimes Det's. A couple of hundred a year.
As for clearance rate: What the F^CK do you expect for clearance rate on burglaries when there is no on-scene investigation and/or evidence gathering?
the city will just try to take away the extra pay "specialists" get. No more d2 or d2a. dont know if they will get away with it but their gonna try.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Phatty Cline appeased Daley by merging a bunch of Youth and Gang zofficers into Detectives. That was stupidity and politics, and the stupidity and politics continue to this day.
4/05/2014 02:30:00 PM
Maybe you are too young to remember this KID,,, but it was the same test to get into Youth, or dick or gang specialist..You just had to take what came along if you were smart enough to check all 3 boxes. And yes I know Al Jagaloon didn't want Youth and gangs combined into the high almighty dick division, but no one really cared about his position or opinion (except him)
4/05/2014 04:34:00 PM
Sorry KID, but you are the one that is too young to remember. The same test for all was part of the effort to combine the ranks. Once upon a time before your time there were separate tests for Youth and Detective and Gang Investigator was interview only.
Off topic- but wouldn't you rather see this story headline read.....
Governor Quinn announces State has an extra 16.5 million, will put in pension funds to make up for previous missed contributions. Chicago Mayor Announces City of Chicago will do the same....
Wait I am dreaming. The state and city are broke.....when they want to be broke.
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Channel 7 news story today.
-- Governor Quinn allocated $16.5 million in investments for 46 local park projects across Illinois.
The investments will enhance communities across the state, and are part of Governor Quinn's agenda to ensure that no child is left inside.
"Parks and outdoor recreational activities help make Illinois a great place to live and work," Governor Quinn said in a release.
The statement said the projects will be funded through the Open Space Lands Acquisition and Development program and administered by the Illinois Department of Natural Resources.
"These projects will create jobs, allow more families to get active outdoors and promote healthy lifestyles,'' Quinn said.
4/05/2014 04:22:00 PM
Wow he can fix 46 parks with 16.5 million and Chicago spends 55 million on just one park. Amazing.
Anonymous said...
I wrote about this on SCC late last year. A retired boss from NYPD who knows Gerry circle jerk friends in NYPD told me Gerry said he wants CPD dick's to serve the same way NYPD dick' do.
Here today and gone back to patrol the next tour. Ask any NYC copper how it works.
Many dick' will be hitting the blue and whites by summer. Also, dick' will be made by total merit and consent of Gerry.
CMO dick' will not be protected. We will see a lot of good dick's taking the hit just because some brass has a hard on for him/her.
Take all of this to the bank, it is coming soon and overnight.
Gerry wants to give guys that work their asses off to be made dick's. All from patrol. People who think they are legends in narcotic' will be rotated out of narcotics quite soon and not replaced.
Gerry is feed up with the cry babies in 189 crying they get little O.T and some do not get take home cars. The numbers to be dumped is 40 percent. Sgt' will be taking a 50 percent hit.
This is to be done by 6th. period
What will Det. W.B. do with himself? No more FBI task force OT and bragging about being a supercop on Facebook.
Tired, tired, SCC. Get some sack time, you and yours, and we wiil all be here waiting for the latest stationary/mobile street outrage and/or f___up.
Hang in there, bless you for all the hard work.
Maybe we take summer off this year and let them bury it all? Ha. I know you better.
",,,,Can't wait till they close all the district stations between 7pm and 7am..."
I would object because of loss of detention aides and bid desk jobs ---but can see that- esp in district where lockup is already closed
Don't try to muddy the situation by comparing them to supervisors. Don't bring up a lawsuit, as they don't have a case. Stop being being stupid.
4/05/2014 09:11:00 PM
Really, the reports you supervisors approve on a daily bases, you should be just as ashamed as the officer who typed it. Supervisors should be detectives prior to getting promoted so they know what goes Into trying a complicated felony case. Most officers don't know the law and just stumble through the simple arrest that doesn't take any smarts to process.
I can't wait to see how this works. I smell lawsuit and back pay if it ever happens. The union should be all over this. All the P.O.'s who sound jealous not to have one of these spots, should be worried because you could have one of these jobs someday. We all need to stick together on these kinds of issues. This is what the city loves all this internal B.S. we create for ourselves. Rahm and McDicks grand plan is to divide and conquer and by the way this sounds he 's winning.
Amen Dump the Clouted peoples
Some must be very worried.
Yes welcome to my world of begging for CU Your spot is gone
Enjoy your Summer on the beat
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