Rule 14 - On Tape and Under Oath
- The dramatic revelation that five officers had allegedly lied on the witness stand in a Skokie drug case, has called into question dozens of other cases which the officers have pending.
The Cook County State's Attorney's office will only say it is reviewing the matter, but privately, authorities are clearly concerned about a case which fell apart, when the officers were confronted with a video which contradicted their sworn testimony.
That moment came two weeks ago, when the officers, three from Chicago and two from Glenview, testified in the case of a drug suspect named Joseph Sperling.
"All five officers were telling the same story word for word," said defense lawyer Steven Goldman. "They were caught in a lie."
The officers testified that they pulled Sperling over under the pretense of a traffic stop, asked for his license and insurance, allowed him to exit his vehicle and walk to the rear, then removed a duffel bag containing marijuana. Only then, they said, did they arrest and cuff him.
But Goldman confronted the fifth officer with the squad car video, which clearly showed the officers approaching Sperling's car and immediately taking him out of the car and putting him in handcuffs. Only then did they begin searching, finding the bag in the back seat.
This was something out of a television show - a genuine "GOTCHA!" moment that defense lawyers usually only dream about. But they got it in this case, hands down. We have a hard time believing the prosecutors didn't have some sort of heads-up once the defense subpoenaed the Glenview in-car-cameras. That should have been a clue that something was up. Espeically in this age of cameras everywhere - traffic, red light, cell phones, squad cars, body cameras, Google-Glass, etc. And if they did have a heads-up, why didn't it come up in prep?
Regardless, this one is going to reverberate for years. A Rule 14 violation is a bitch. Every single case that these coppers are involved in - as arresting officers, assisting officers, affiants on search warrants, inventory officers - is now in question. Every single piece of paper with their name on it can become suspect, even an innocuous To-From as a witness to a CR. And the sergeant involved? Defense attorneys are going to bury the city in a blizzard of paper for everything with his name on it - even such mundane things as Supervisor Logs that might show a car is supposedly logged at a certain location calls into question entire investigations.
In the most extreme cases, a sustained Rule 14 means a minimum of 7 years not even being able to sign a simple case report, a traffic violation, or a parking ticket - your word is no good under oath and the City isn't about to put you on the stand for anything. They'll dismiss or settle in an instant. Charlie Williams wanted to fire everyone with a sustained Rule 14 on their record around ten years ago - he said it was around 150-to-200 coppers and he was seriously pursuing it until told to stop by certain connected persons.
This is going to be ugly.
Regardless, this one is going to reverberate for years. A Rule 14 violation is a bitch. Every single case that these coppers are involved in - as arresting officers, assisting officers, affiants on search warrants, inventory officers - is now in question. Every single piece of paper with their name on it can become suspect, even an innocuous To-From as a witness to a CR. And the sergeant involved? Defense attorneys are going to bury the city in a blizzard of paper for everything with his name on it - even such mundane things as Supervisor Logs that might show a car is supposedly logged at a certain location calls into question entire investigations.
In the most extreme cases, a sustained Rule 14 means a minimum of 7 years not even being able to sign a simple case report, a traffic violation, or a parking ticket - your word is no good under oath and the City isn't about to put you on the stand for anything. They'll dismiss or settle in an instant. Charlie Williams wanted to fire everyone with a sustained Rule 14 on their record around ten years ago - he said it was around 150-to-200 coppers and he was seriously pursuing it until told to stop by certain connected persons.
This is going to be ugly.
Labels: scandals, un-fucking-believable
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
267 Comments:
Good.
Well maybe also if the state attorney that was responsible for prepping the case actually prepped the case would have seen what shit case this was it would not have gotten to the point where now the cops were looking at felonies themselves, we all have seen shit police work and we also have seen state attorneys that fail to prep case correctly.
Maybe the officers can get a job working for the White House? Maybe in the section that deals with the press, or the propaganda section. Sounds like they would fit right in.
WOW, They all ble the job because to make a pinch for f-ing grass.
The burb copper' shouldof stated their video was on.
Tac guys in the burbs making a traffic stop !
Attorney Goldman hit a jack-pot. He will have to hire a couple more attorney' when the filing of law suits start.
Let SCC said, beware, the camera is always on.
The numbers game has taken many a copper down.
I feel sorry for the Glenview coppers that got dragged into this OCD BS. The burbs don't play around those coppers are gone. The OCD crew are heavily juice and will use their Clout to walk away from this trainwreck.
Many PO's without clout have been terminated for much less. Getting caught redhanded on audio/videotape in court is impossible to defend.
Younger coppers pay heed! Do not compromise yourself for a BS pinch.
Something like this occurred in 020 about 20 years ago and everyone involved got launched and did time in Club Fed. There was no video but the offender was on house arrest with an ankle bracelet.
All this for a pound of weed, really??? Shit that is not practically legal. Unreal, the Sgt is an idiot. Hard to believe the Glenview coppers did not know this was on tape....
Charlie Williams spent 16+ years in IAD screwing PO's over. I would expect nothing less from him. Working less than 8 hours is theft Charlie, you got yours and nobody every pigeonholed you either.
Here we go again. Another black eye that we don't need. I am not the most moral or best person around, but I have been a working copper for most of my career. How would they like it if some police officer did that to one of their family members. When are we going to realize that lying under oath and "putting cases" on people not only isn't worth it, but is just plain wrong.
Has a civil rights lawsuit been filed yet? If so, all involved will have to plead the fifth or risk further perjury while sworn.
What's going to be interesting is if criminal charges will be filed against the cops. I doubt it, on the Chicago end they will probably get days and then buried somewhere where they won't have to make arrests. On the Glenview end, well probably fired....
Why didn't they just do a consent to search or a K9 hit? Going to jail for a weed pinch is insane! Being a Supercop has destroyed more careers than Cynthia White.
Didn't the Glenview PD let their officers know the squad video was subpoenaed?
I hope this kid isn't a Northshore silverspoon otherwise the heat is going to be withering.
This was portrayed a couple of weeks ago on a Sunday Night TV show, where a drug dealer set up cops and DEA when they stopped him, expecting to find drugs. They cops and DEA were exposed in court. Be careful, boys and girls, its great to get the bad guy, but you are better off just doing your job, answerin g calls, doing reports.
Truth be told, the majority of the old exempts all had Rule 14 violations somewhere in their careers.
Subject cuffed for Officer Safety.
I hope it works out.
The Peoples Law Office and Loevy & Loevy are lining up the lawsuits as I type. The city will be hit hard again for a BS weed pinch.
They knew they had a camera in the car, in the suburbs, and were on some bullshit story? Something doesn't add up here.
If the G doesn't jump on this one it will disappear. Still amazed that two Sergeants didn't see this one coming.
Ghetto Lottery time.
This is going to be ugly is an understatement.
Next up on IADs radar are several members from AN Sat. POs using their sergeants PC# to approve their own case reports, inventories, etc. with the sgts blessing while s/he is not to be found and/or dropping slips for OT but elsewhere. Cell records subpeaoned for text exchanges, forensic audit of computers and passwords and interviews between arrestees, lawyers and IAD and GPS records pulled for both CPD vehicles and at least 5 POs/Sgt cell records. This is real folks. Know who you can and can't trust cuz it's gonna get ugly as hell.
The sad part is it was just to please some boss. The bad guy was dirty, but they wanted to please some boss who wanted to please his boss. Now the bad guy is free and the coppers are screwed. Playing the stats game only gets the foot soliders hurt. The bosses walk every time. Now go get more contact cards.
It depends on what the rule 14 is sustained for. If its something like changing the facts of a case then its tough but both ipra and iad have used rule 14 loosely the last few years to make sure their cases can get sustained and stick at the police board.
first everybody slow your role. is this bad? yes. Can they be indicted... sure. Will they? doubtful. Maybe fired but I dont think so. The copper who said he smelled it, saw it and placed into custody might get the brunt of it because the others can claim they just went off the paper preparing to testify. Especially the assisting officers who may have a cloudy recollection and read the report and remembered it that way.. especially if this court date is the first time they are trying to recall this case and the only thing they had to recall this case was the report.. officers if your involved and reading this be sure to re read my post above..... Yes, you got to court and didnt exactly recall this case because you are very busy. Numerous investigations, numerous arrests, calls, life events etc happened between this court date and the incident. You didnt really recall it but then read the paperwork and thats how you recalled it. Officer, isnt it possible after reviewing the video that it actually happened the way the video says?? Officer says, yes actually after seeing the video it does help me recall it better... I just couldnt recall it from memory and ONLY was able to rely on the reports... As for that day with the paperwork, it was a very fluid and moving situation. My heart was pumping and my adrenaline was running and when things are happening I could only recall them the best way that I remembered after the arrest. At that time I did not have video evidence to assist me write my reports. I wrote my reports only from the best recollection OF MY MEMORY AT THAT TIME which was a dynamic stop and situation... I recall having a type of tunnel vision which is very common in police work... its actually very common after a police involved shooting that officers cannot exactly recall specific details.... as was such with this felony stop of a person I knew to be a dangerous felon and drug dealer. After the situation calmed I had only my memory to write the report. After seeing the video I can see that my paperwork was flawed, however I had no intention to change any facts, they were only written the way my mind recalled at the time... let them prove what your mind could and could not recall in an intense situation on a felony traffic stop with a known dangerous felon...
Rahm is salivating over this.
He paints with a wide brush.... in Rahm's devious mind he thinks those lying cops don't deserve their full pensions therefore there must be REFORM.
Can you explain things like Rule 14 in the text? The blog isn't all-cop readership, some of us don't know these things but like to follow along.
If the defendand did not have a DL, I think they are fine. If he did have a DL then that is another story. Anyways, very hard to comment on it without seeing the report and video. Lord knows you can't believe everything you read.
Gotcha what!!!!!! Traffic stop, pulled out of car, recovered!!! Not perfect but for God sake nothing was planted!!!! Hang these guys over this then 90% of this department is going to have to be canned!!!!!!!
Sounds like more of a foggy memory of the sequence of events. Several things may have played a role. Every officer knows how confusing and complicated things get with multiple officers involved. In addition, many officers without malice or intent mix up a sequence of events. Lastly, I remember years ago in BR57 how good ASA's would step by step prep officers over the sequence of events. That has slowly gotten worse, and I have personally had to stop ASA's during prelims who got ahead of themselves with questions in order to clarify a sequence of events. I have no knowledge of this particular case, but it doesn't sound anything more than confusion and a misunderstanding. To P.O.'S, write clear, accurate, and descriptive paper. Not describing your actions clearly, and omitting small details you may not remember later will bite you in court, especially if video surfaces showing omitted details or a different sequence of events. It's a shame to see officers get burned over bullshit.
Here we go again. Another black eye that we don't need. I am not the most moral or best person around, but I have been a working copper for most of my career. How would they like it if some police officer did that to one of their family members. When are we going to realize that lying under oath and "putting cases" on people not only isn't worth it, but is just plain wrong.
4/16/2014 12:39:00 AM
They didn't "put" anything on the arrestee. He had the felony weight weed. That is not in question and something you should all remember. Stop acting like he was some innocent bystander.
My recollection of Charlie Williams has him using Rule 14 as a catch all for investigations on officers. Prior to Charlie, Rule 14 got you fired because you were now useless. Charlie started whacking everyone with a 14 and they would have had to terminate a lot of coppers. It would be like using drones for traffic violators. Save 14 for the surgical strikes if you will.
No bag o' shit out there is worth your integrity or your job. When will we learn?!
Can you explain things like Rule 14 in the text? The blog isn't all-cop readership, some of us don't know these things but like to follow along.4/16/2014 03:54:00 AM
http://www.cityofchicago.org/dam/city/depts/cpb/PoliceDiscipline/RulesofConduct.pdf
I wasn't in court and haven't read the full record. I know, however, the following:
1) Reporters are tools looking for sensational stories. They're biased, not very smart, don't know the law, and often get the story wrong.
2) P/C for arrest and complete search of the car - especially on drug stops -- can develop instantly on a stop. Does it matter that some post-P/C timing details got screwed up? Maybe. Maybe not.
3) Many Illinois judges, esp. in Crook, are hacks. They don't know the law and often run courtrooms and cases according to their own rules -- keeping the records clean and defensible, of course.
4) The CCSAO hires politically connected lawyers out of law school. Many are stupid, lazy and have no real enthusiasm for prosecution. It wouldn't surprise me one bit to find out that the ASAs did little prep.
It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. But for now, I reserve judgment.
The truth is they did lie. They lied to protect their CI who gave them the info they needed to make the stop. All they had to do is tell the truth, but they were trying to leave the CI out of it so they can protect his identity and safety. No CI is worth my job.
How many times is this Sergeant going to be involved in stupid stuff. What a goof, a new chapter in the next book. Now everyone will be getting calls from his father trying to save him.
Okay 1:53am, you are an idiot. Everyone - Do not take that advice, because this type of thinking is what gets you idiots into trouble.
First, glenview nor CPD did not know that glenview marked squad was equipped with an operating video camera? Or did they forget they had a camera, because their adrenaline was pumping so hard, like the above idiot said? It's not a question of whether or not the video will or will not be subpoenaed. If you know you have a camera, then tell the story as it happened.
All five lied about how they obtained probable cause to arrest. It is a big deal.
First off, if you haven't figured out by now, almost everything is recorded. Both city and suburban cars have in-car cameras. I'm sure the Glenview PD guys didn't know how the paper was written until the day that they showed up for court at Skokie.
As far as the ASAs go, they should have asked about video during prep. If they would have come across this before the motion was up, there would have been an investigation, and the brunt of the mess ending up on the guy(s) lap who wrote the paper.
Overall, it is a shame that people we work with still haven't figured out that you have to write it the way it happened, not the way you wanted it to happen.
The worst part is that the narcotics guys dragged in some suburban guys into their mess. It's a damn shame and makes us all look bad in the eyes of the suburban depatment.
>>Gotcha what!!!!!! Traffic stop, pulled out of car, recovered!!! Not perfect but for God sake nothing was planted!!!! Hang these guys over this then 90% of this department is going to have to be canned!!!!!!!<<
Check out the story on the Tribune website, they go into this incident in more detail.
There's no allegation that they planted anything, this case is about giving false testimony.
The defense lawyer called all of the officers to the stand and they all stated what happened UNDER OATH that was totally different than what is seen on the video tape.
That's why they're jammed up.
It's amazing how stupid many of the posters are.
Can you say perjury, official misconduct, etc.
A Cook county judge blew up over this in open court, if you don't think Anita is already involved you are a fool.
The clout factor is the only thing that will keep people out of jail.
Anonymous said...
Gotcha what!!!!!! Traffic stop, pulled out of car, recovered!!! Not perfect but for God sake nothing was planted!!!! Hang these guys over this then 90% of this department is going to have to be canned!!!!!!!
4/16/2014 04:09:00 AM
Nobody said they planted the evidence you tool, it's how they wrote the paper. You have to realize that you are on film from the start of your tour and should be using your head. All that for the "dope" pinch, wow sucks to be them.
011 2nd Watch DOG
CHICAGO Police Dept. RULE 14.
Making a false report either written or oral.
Most all law enforcement agencies have same internal rule.
Some people are so dumb.
why are Chgo cops in Glenview?
lmao...
Feds: Indicted State Rep. Smith admitted to accepting cash bribe
The documents read:
"At numerous times during the interview Smith stated 'I f---ed up'..."
Read more: http://www.myfoxchicago.com/story/25257185/feds-indicted-state-rep-smith-admitted-to-accepting-cash-bribe#ixzz2z3Goz3Ko
Even though I am sure their hearts were in the right place, is it or was it worth it? Now I know you believers will have a fit, but I refuse to arrest unless its assigned to me. This is what happens due to us not sticking together. Mayhem
Anonymous said...
Gotcha what!!!!!! Traffic stop, pulled out of car, recovered!!! Not perfect but for God sake nothing was planted!!!! Hang these guys over this then 90% of this department is going to have to be canned!!!!!!!
4/16/2014 04:09:00 AM
This is true. From this article it sounds like according to the video the bad guy was stopped, asked out of car, cuffed/detained, narcotics were recovered, bad guy in custody. The testimony sounds like the bad guy was stopped, asked out of car, the narcotics recovered, the bad guy cuffed/ custody. Order of when cuffs were placed is screwed up. Doesn't sound that serious.
But now the cops are the bad guys? The drug dealer is vindicated? No stealing/beating/planting evidence by police!!! Anyone who think these cops deserve more than a slap on the wrist is a complete p.o.s.
That's why I continue to park my cruiser in a hole and remove my loafers crack my toes and set the snooze alarm for eight minutes before check off. Enjoy your retro!
Strip club tax for rape centers falls short of projected revenue
(what a surprise eh?
The revenue numbers don't match the glorious projections!
AGAIN!!
The revenue miss was off by a whopping 62%
Now I ask you. Who gets to keep their job after this kind of error...in this day and age of high speed number crunching computers?
Off 62%, not even close!)
SPRINGFIELD -- A new tax on Illinois strip clubs generated significantly less money than what supporters hoped it would raise in its first year.
According to the Illinois Department of Revenue, the so-called "pole tax" raised about $380,000 in 2013 to help fund rape crisis centers in the state.
That amount falls far short of the $1 million backers said the new tax would bring in when they pushed it through the General Assembly in 2012.
Under the law, strip club operators pay a surcharge to the state based on their size and revenue. Operators also can opt to pay a flat $3 surcharge for each patron.
Revenue spokeswoman Sue Hofer said 37 companies paid into the fund, meaning each club paid an average of about $10,000 toward the tax last year.
If each establishment had taken the $3 per patron option, that would amount to about 10 customers per day for a club that stays open seven days a week.
http://herald-review.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/strip-club-tax-for-rape-centers-falls-short-of-projected/article_67384893-6bd6-51c9-91f7-e1d2d7ba86b1.html
Oh and..
...llinois Department of Human Services spokeswoman Januari Smith said the agency expects to release the funds to the sexual assault coalition sometime after July 1.
An application process for the 29 centers eligible for the money is being developed, Smith added."
Do they wait until July to release the funds so that the interest earned on that money can be skimmed off???
If all 29 centers get approval and the money distributed evenly they get what..about $13K each? Better than nothing tho I spose.
Anonymous said...
first everybody slow your role. is this bad? yes. Can they be indicted... sure. Will they? doubtful. Maybe fired but I dont think so. The copper who said he smelled it, saw it and placed into custody might get the brunt of it because the others can claim they just went off the paper preparing to testify. Especially the assisting officers who may have a cloudy recollection and read the report and remembered it that way.. especially if this court date is the first time they are trying to recall this case and the only thing they had to recall this case was the report.. officers if your involved and reading this be sure to re read my post above..... Yes, you got to court and didnt exactly recall this case because you are very busy. Numerous investigations, numerous arrests, calls, life events etc happened between this court date and the incident. You didnt really recall it but then read the paperwork and thats how you recalled it. Officer, isnt it possible after reviewing the video that it actually happened the way the video says?? Officer says, yes actually after seeing the video it does help me recall it better... I just couldnt recall it from memory and ONLY was able to rely on the reports... As for that day with the paperwork, it was a very fluid and moving situation. My heart was pumping and my adrenaline was running and when things are happening I could only recall them the best way that I remembered after the arrest. At that time I did not have video evidence to assist me write my reports. I wrote my reports only from the best recollection OF MY MEMORY AT THAT TIME which was a dynamic stop and situation... I recall having a type of tunnel vision which is very common in police work... its actually very common after a police involved shooting that officers cannot exactly recall specific details.... as was such with this felony stop of a person I knew to be a dangerous felon and drug dealer. After the situation calmed I had only my memory to write the report. After seeing the video I can see that my paperwork was flawed, however I had no intention to change any facts, they were only written the way my mind recalled at the time... let them prove what your mind could and could not recall in an intense situation on a felony traffic stop with a known dangerous felon...
Very Good! I want you to be my lawyer! Never give up!
All this for a substance that will probably be legal in the next 3 to 5 years. Is it worth it?
File under:
Justice Delayed is Justice Denied
Keeping the crime down by running out the statute of limitations.
Hey WORKS GREAT!
[...]... Illinois lawmakers have an opportunity to stand up for sexual assault victims by approving pending legislation that makes an important change to the statute of limitations on rape cases.
The Senate voted 54-0 last week in favor of Senate Bill 2609, which would make the 10-year statute of limitations on sexual assault cases begin on the day a rape kit is examined.
This is a critical change because currently in Illinois the 10-year clock begins the day an assault occurs, and the Illinois State Police, which tests rape evidence, until last year had a long-standing backlog of kits to test.
These factors, coupled with the understandable reluctance of some victims to report an attack right away, can cause the clock to run out on possible rape investigations long before authorities are able to find and prosecute an attacker.
A rape kit is biological and physical evidence from a sexual assault, such as DNA, that usually is collected during a medical exam at a hospital, with the victim’s consent, and given to police. Evidence also may include the victim’s clothing and photographs of injuries.
The rape kit can be critical to making an arrest, but not if it’s allowed to languish on a dusty shelf of a police department evidence room or gets caught up in a testing backlog.
The Illinois State Police backlog stood at more than 4,000 prior to 2013. Last year, the agency finished testing all kits in the backlog, the oldest case dating to 1978. Of the DNA tested in the 4,000 kits, 927 had matches in the national DNA database.
Some Illinois police departments’ bungled handling of assault investigations and rape kits is well-documented. In many cases, evidence simply was shelved and forgotten. A troubling 2009 Chicago Tribune investigation showed that during a two-year period, large suburban Chicago departments had stored untested rap kits from nearly 100 alleged victims of sex crimes, and also that the state crime lab sometimes refused to analyze kits.
In 2012, the Harvey Police Department was sued by a victim whose rape kit went untested for 10 years....
Read more: http://www.sj-r.com/article/20140415/Opinion/140419675#ixzz2z3NSnObH
36 year backlog and the lawmakers are just now getting around to addressing it.
Gay marriage, Illegal immigrant drivers licenses and other b.s. took precedence.
I already wrote my mover and I'm finished for the day. My Sgt. is happy and said I am one of the best officers on the watch because I make no arrests and cause no trouble.
"The greatest blunders, like the thickest ropes, are often compounded of a multitude of strands. Take the rope apart, separate it into the small threads that compose it, and you can break them one by one. You think, 'That is all there was!' But twist them all together and you have something tremendous."
-- Victor Hugo
A pound of weed should smell just nicely just cause you're cuffed doesn't mean you're under arrest. We detain people all the time. I guess it's just a matter of how this shit was all written up. If they fucked up the paper that's on them. This didn't sound like a difficult caper especially if they had Info this guy was transporting weed. It ain't the end of the world.
Rule #1. Watch your car video before writing the reports. That's a capital period BTW.
Read many reports that clearly do not match the video.
Gotcha what!!!!!! Traffic stop, pulled out of car, recovered!!! Not perfect but for God sake nothing was planted!!!! Hang these guys over this then 90% of this department is going to have to be canned!!!!!!!
4/16/2014 04:09:00 AM
This posting is right on. When I first read this I thought they really did something wrong. All the pertinent facts remain.... Chances are OCD had this guy under surveillance, they knew he had dope in car. The only dispute is when they cuffed this guy?? Come on, this is lawyer bullshit and unqualified judge fell for it. Nothing should happen to any of the POs and Sgt . The basic fact remains, he was in possession of the dope.
Old Retired Guy
As the sun's UV rays dry rot the interior...
New Illinois State Police cruisers are parked
Illinois State Police cruisers sit idle in Springfield
Worried that state troopers were patrolling the highways in a fleet of rustbuckets, Illinois lawmakers tacked $1 onto your annual vehicle registration fee to pay for new cruisers, beginning in 2009.
So far, the state has collected more than $18 million, but the rustbuckets are still on the road. Meanwhile, 85 shiny 2013 Chevrolet Caprices are parked in Springfield, waiting to be tricked out with the lights, sirens and electronics that strike fear in the hearts of lead-footed drivers. They've been there since last summer. And 400 more are on the way.
Leave it to Illinois lawmakers to find a way to hit up taxpayers for new police cruisers, only to learn — surprise! — that the state's too broke to pay for the technicians to install the upgrades. The left hand ordered up all these cruisers while the right hand was redlining the state budget. So Illinois State Police officials are still patching up the old cars while searching for a bigger parking lot to hold the new ones.
Is this a classic Illinois story or what?...
read more:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-illinois-police-cars-0416-20140416,0,1469194.story
Seeing how the state police handled those rape kits maybe these vehicles will sit on the shelve for 36 years or more!
"lawmakers tacked $1 onto your annual vehicle registration fee to pay for new cruisers, beginning in 2009"
Heh, 2009 isn't that amazing? What timing.
2009 is when Obama's "Cash For
Clunker" program kicked off.
Wasn't the video DISCLOSED at discovery?
Now this godforsaken ghetto shithole has spread its stupidity to a nice place. No wonder most suburbs don't give us a play anymore. I feel sorry for the Glenview copper having the curse of dealing with our backward ass Dept. Nice pinch morons.
As lovey and lovey, and Rabinowitz and Rabinowitz would say: " Falsus in uno, Falsus in omnibus". Those coppers are gonna be standing at the employment kiosk at Home Depot, Jewel, and AutoZone.
Maybe that CPT that got a speeding ticket in Iowa years back, then jammed a PO up can tutor these Coppers......
You are not invisible out there.
Anonymous said...
Truth be told, the majority of the old exempts all had Rule 14 violations somewhere in their careers.
4/16/2014 12:54:00 AM
Exactly, that's why they're called exempts so they will no longer be accountable.
I am so glad that I made a decision long ago NOT to get into the dope game. Dope is dirty. Offenders, witnesses and just about everyone involved is an asshole. Cops get hurt and killed.
That Steve Goldman guy is an asshole of the highest order, but is a gifted Defense Attorney. He is the house attorney for the Latin Kings. All those cocksuckers have Steve on speed dial.
It is just a bad deal all the way around.
Fuck all of this. I sleep better at night knowing that I push a beat car in a shithole district, and might, just might get to help a tax payer out every now and then.
Oh well, the time to stop doing this type of police work ended with the S. O. S corruption. Not that police work should ever have been done in this matter. To some extent, the department is at fault with its Mickey Mouse legal training they provide while in the Academy and the lack of any further legal training beyond the Academy. Nonetheless, shame on these guys. To a greater extent, they have no one to blame but themselves. This lack of integrity, honesty and professionalism is why the entire department is the disgrace that it is. Any denial of this is because your head is in the sand. Boys and Girls, there's plenty of legal ways to get the bad guys without fabricating probable cause. Learn them by reading court decisions for police
officers
http://www.lexisnexis.com/store/catalog/booktemplate/productdetail.jsp?pageName=relatedProducts&prodId=50512
It's a must read, how to, Bible. Lastly, we have seen this before, those with clout will survive by going to a unit where report writing, arrests and citations are not performed in the unit, or someone else can do the reports. Those without clout, good luck.
What kind of an idiot does not review their in-car video before writing their report AND again before testifying? The ASA in this case is a fool if they did not review the video either.
No matter what the CPD coppers look fuck up for bullshit lying even if the offender did have 1 lb of narcotics you idiots just write it the way it is....NOT WORTH IT!!!
all officers should be rotated every couple off years,they think they are untouchable
Experience plays a HUGE roll with all this. Both OTJ and courtroom testimony. Many in OCD are there because of the perks and nothing more, lucky if they can be considered an average PO. But, they will be taken care of, as usual Good luck, but doesn't look good.
You are all missing the point. The officer testified that they had the subject exit the car and walk him to the back. He went on to say they had a short conversation. The weed was then found and they placed the subject under arrest. The video shows the arrestee exiting the car and immediately being placed in handcuffs with no conversation. Different story from the case report. Testified under oath that it happened one way, video shows another. Maybe small, but it is still perjury. Maybe not up to the level of a prosecution, but definitely a different story than what occurred. Maybe the ASA was lax, but the coppers are the ones who said and wrote something different. Quite trying to deflect blame for people who just plain screwed it up. And from the rest of us who try hard everyday, a big F---ing THANK YOU!.
The ends do not justify the means....too many cops operate with the opposite mindset. They chase numbers all day to make bosses happy and gain favor and cush spots for themselves. Then they step on their disks one day and we are supposed to feel sorry for them and support them?!?! NOT
They knew what they were doing. They rolled the dice and came up snake eyes. Now man up and pay the price. Sadly Danny Gorman brought this up at the FOP meeting last night as if we are all supposed to feel bad for these guys. WTF. Now the union will defend them with our money spending easily 50th and or more because they made a conscious choice to lie. This shot needs to stop. Just cause someone wears a badge doesn't make them right. If you can't catch someone dirty the right way, it doesn't make it on to toss mud on them and say "gotcha". If you are of the mindset this stuff is ok, then I ask you this. Where do you draw the line? We batch when bosses jam us up over bulls hit because of egos or retaliation, but then we pull this shot on citizens. We need to be more professional and better than this.
John Catanzara 008
It was still his Reefer. I have personally had and have seen many a case that the defense attorney upon review simply made a motion to suppress the evidence based on a illegal search. The motion was granted and the ASA then made a motion to dismiss which was also granted and the lawyer collected the bond money as payment that is called a CBR Counselor Bond Release an
D the cops got their overtime and the judge and ASA got a case dumped from their case log and no one gave a shit.
I'm sure all the supervisors at OCD and other supervisors these guys have worked / produced for over the years will rally around them and make sure they land on the feet as much as is possible. You know, bosses look out for "their guys" and all that jazz. These guys will be fine!!
NOT.
Get ready to take it balls deep in the stinkhole, fellas. You WILL be made an example of. A BIG example, courtesy of Rahm Emanuel and the Fifth Floor Spin Machine. You guys are this moments Useful Idiots for why the greedy, CORRUPT Police don't deserve a fair contract or pension.
And this is why I'll push my beat car, answer my jobs and go home. No pressure, no lost sleep. Another sobering reminder that self-preservation is paramount. Let this be a lesson to all you impressionable clowns that still think nothing of jumping through the activity hoop for supervisors that won't remember your name when the shit hits the fan. A lesson, knowing that history will repeat itself, will be forgotten in short order when your supervisor(s) ask you to go out and "grab a couple heads".
All you young pups can get back to calling me a "do-nothing-dog". I'll just have you know that this dog sleeps well every night.
Gotcha what!!!!!! Traffic stop, pulled out of car, recovered!!! Not perfect but for God sake nothing was planted!!!! Hang these guys over this then 90% of this department is going to have to be canned!!!!!!!
4/16/2014 04:09:00 AM
Saw the video on TV Thought A/O's said they saw the drugs on the backseat in plain view. Now they are saying they took the suspect out of the car, handcuffed him right away. That would not be unusual if as the approached the car they saw the drugs.
No sympathy for the driver... .. "He had a f-ing duffel bag of weed"
No sympathy for America......."some really think that the driver is a role model"
SCC don't get played by lawyers looking for fat pay checks with municipal payors.
Now lets see if they do anything to the boss, or just sacrifice the po's.
Whoa, let's not be so easy to hang our brothers. Yes, the video may seem to show a little discrepancy in their testimony but if they testified that they smelled a strong odor of cannabis, there is no problem pulling the driver out of the vehicle as clearly shown and backed by the officer's testimony. Also, if the officer is CONDITIONED to cuffing for officer safety but not for custody and taken to the back of the vehicle as he testified. He may have merely forget to mention this action in the report because it is so routine, cops are only human and can be susceptible to the occasional lapse in recall especially in a situation as in this recovery of a substantial amount of cannabis (let's not downplay this pinch, when is the last time you recovered couple bricks from a traffic stop?). We also know well that "assisting" officers may have not been directly involved in the physical arrest but may have contributed by transporting, inventorying, etc..and may not have direct knowledge of the event and going off the paper and/or testimony of the officer in box 1.
Whether these officers have clout or not, let's not find joy in the potential loss of careers for what might have been a memory recall issue and not a deliberate attempt to LIE in court. Hopefully, the investigation plays in their favor and they see the light at the end of the this dark tunnel.
A Rule 14 violation should automatically cost you your job. Not sorry for saying that.
A lot of this story seems to be left out. No I don't know what happened but just saying the Officers walked up and pulled him out and cuffed him. That is simply a safety concern if they already knew this offender to possibly be armed or violent.
Lastly, NEVER trust the burbs or the feds they screw up everything and roll over on everyone. Stay safe.
Related to this post somewhat.
A word of advice from one of those "old timers" for young officers wanting to have the "numbers" to get into plain clothes. Do not rush to jump on the paper for arrests not specifically made by you.
"Hey, put me on the paper!"
Protect yourself, your career, and your family by not letting yourself be called to court to testify on an arrest of which you do not have full and personal knowledge.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Charlie Williams spent 16+ years in IAD screwing PO's over. I would expect nothing less from him. Working less than 8 hours is theft Charlie, you got yours and nobody every pigeonholed you either.
4/16/2014 12:39:00 AM
You have no idea what you're talking about. From the length of tenure to the content of investigations, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Oh, and if you think working cases where a sworn member is a rapist, a burglar or a drug dealer, is 'screwing PO's over' you are a big part of the problem.
You just cant lie anymore on things like that, most everything is on video nowadays and these idiots knew it was. Im sure they turned in the video dvd or tape along with the evidence they seized that night. All that for some bullshit weed that's gonna be legal very soon everywhere.
Wasn't the involved sgt in the news a few years ago?
Anita is creaming her panties over this. Rahm is jumping for joy,,,,nothing feeds politicians more than stories about stuff like this.
Look for body cameras to be worn by very officer in the future when n the field.
Idiots...keep doing "police work" morons. You showed everybody that you're the "REAL POLICE".
Definition rule 14 simple answer if you lie you get fired unless you have clout then promotion!
Under the rules of "discovery" the ccsa should have received the dash video and reviewed it. So either the ccsa dropped the ball or they knew what it contained and allowed the officers to impeach themselves. The only other explanation would be if the defense atty. somehow wasable to enter the video into evidence without the ccsa being able to review it. That's it.
How many times have you guys heard "if it's not on paper, it didn't happen" during your career? This is why good reporting and HONEST, FACTUAL reporting is important. Because when your case comes up and you're going off your fudged report and the VIDEO contradicts your report, you just tanked your case and possibly your career.
Crap like this only gives more credibility to the cop haters' claims that cops play loose and fast with the law. Pisses me off.
Hey Dummy, you can't cuff everyone you see for officer safety. People have civil rights! Restraining everyone while you interview them isn't acceptable, you'll just have to man-up and talk to people while their hands are free until you have probable cause to detain or arrest them. Or you may need to explain officer safety in the lawsuit trying to take your house and your kid's college fund.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Well maybe also if the state attorney that was responsible for prepping the case actually prepped the case would have seen what shit case this was it would not have gotten to the point where now the cops were looking at felonies themselves, we all have seen shit police work and we also have seen state attorneys that fail to prep case correctly.
4/16/2014 12:15:00 AM
Or maybe the cops are such accomplished fabricators that the state's attorney believed them and had no reason to doubt the case.
The only real fact in dispute seems to be when he was cuffed. The ordinary citizen (and apparently the judge, and also a lot of cops!) think cuffed=arrested, but we know that you can be detained/cuffed without being arrested.
The coppers here seemed to have reasonable suspicion to do a stop, and then cuffed him for their safety. Then they saw the bag, then they arrested the already-cuffed subject.
And then at report-writing time, like another commenter said, the officers' recollection got muddied up.
And it doesn't help that the PD and prosecutor apparently never let the officers see their own video.
But the bottom line is that the coppers are just mistaken or simplifying over a small detail in the sequence of events.
This morning I put on my right shoe, then my left. - No, here's a video that clearly shows you put on your left shoe first. LIAR!!!!
Jeez...
To 4/16/2014 12:39:00 AM the so called working police in response to your question I would be ecstatic is the police hammered a family member of mine if he was a POS like this animal and was transporting a lb of weed in his vehicle. Maby you have more facts of the case than I do but from what is given where did these officers put a case on him? Defendant had weed in his car and weed was recovered. Nothing was put on him clown. These are drug dealers ladies and gentlemen and the narrative would not have to be changed or probable cause strengthened if the cook county court system didn't have such a high demand for everything to be perfect to get a conviction. To the real working police one must realize that this is part of the job that we deal with. If you write everything 100% exactly as it happens without diverting from any fact you will lose 100% in cook county e.g. furtive movement, miranda warnings, saw the gun in his hand - ya sure ya did! Why is this done? Not to put a case on anyone, as you wrote in your earlier comment, but to put the POS away for his crime and to win. Also with a loss in cook county their is also a chance of a civil lawsuit coming from a not guilty verdict. The police must pick and choose their battles on paper especially when a camera is involved or it even being a possibility. How did the system get to this point where all the attention is on the officers actions and none of the responsibility is on the criminal for having a lb of weed in his car. The system is flawed and shows favoritism to the criminal. It protects the criminal and in my opinion the negative comments towards these officers by fellow officers is a shame. We are a thin blue line working police and instead of jumping on the liberal bandwagon to throw these coppers under the bus take a look at yourself cause I'm sure you never diverted from any facts of your cases. Chips are always stacked against us but its part of the job that we undertake and we do what is right.
The problem is the cook county culture. Every time u say u cuffed an offender for officer safety before u have something to arrest them for, which is lawfully detaining someone, it gets thrown out. So guys like these guys say they cuffed them after instead of before to get the legal case to stick. Anywhere else in the world u can detain a person in cuffs and it's ok....except for cook county. So as a result coppers feel pressure to say what they said. I blame this hell hole county for thus. Although come on man when u have squad car cameras u should be aware of that when writing reports
. Hey cook county judges get ur head out of ur ass. U can detain someone in cuffs for officer safety. Stop throwing those cases out and obey the law and u won't have this problem!
So the "gotcha" you're talking about is when the guy was placed in handcuffs, before or after the bag was found. Nothing was planted, that much weed would have a strong odor so the search was good...it all comes down to when he was cuffed. Is this really a "gotcha" situation?
What's so hard about saying you cuffed him immediately for your safety.
Its a shame to see these guys get jammed up over this, since the courts have long upheld the search of a vehicle based on the officer detecting the odor of either burnt or raw marijuana coming from the vehicle.That being said, it was a dumb move to handcuff the suspect and put him in a squad before the search, especially with so many back up officers at the scene. If they had the suspect wait by the rear of the car while the search was made, everything would have been kosher.Why the rush? Also, even dumber to write the report differently than what happended, especially when a dash cam is recording everything. If the officer had been alone on the stop, the court probably would have been OK with putting the driver in a squad, for officer safety reasons, while conducting the search, but not in this case. First rule of survival: If you encounter a rule breaker on the job, dont let him take you down the drain with him. No, I dont check other officers paperwork to see how they reported a stop and search I was present at. However, before testifying in court, if that report is all you have to go on, you should take a good look at it. What you testify to in court is entirely up to you. If you are asked a question and arent sure about what order things happended in, dont ever guess,just say "I dont know" or "I dont recall". Because you can bet the defense attorney already knows the answer, or he wouldnt be asking you.
Can you explain things like Rule 14 in the text? The blog isn't all-cop readership, some of us don't know these things but like to follow along.
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No Offense... But the Blog is written by the police, for the police. And whatever dumbass Politian's want to know what we think of them!
They will be fired , maybe do some time . To bad for suburban guys going along with the real police.
Answer your calls , back each other up , fuck the dope arrests.
Slow your roll,compliments to your advice,I am retired by one year,Cpd,and must agree with your advice!
i hope they are all right n i support them too bad a cpd couldnt stop the sh-tbird if he had weed dude most likely smokes weed and if smoked within the last 30 days they could hasd dui his sorry ass and recovered the weed. know your trafic pc and stay safe.
Dont lie. Mistakes happen but dont intentionally lie. Anyone here condoning it is an asshole.
Its a damn shame. There are so many coppers on the job that don't know shit about the 4th Amendment. Those that say they are "street smart" need to pick up a book, at least once in a while
we record ourselves, know it exists. know the defense has a copy, and we lie? pretty stupid. I was taught always tell the truth when you can.
Anonymous said...
Can you explain things like Rule 14 in the text? The blog isn't all-cop readership, some of us don't know these things but like to follow along.
Rule 14. Making a false report, oral or written
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Can you explain things like Rule 14 in the text? The blog isn't all-cop readership, some of us don't know these things but like to follow along.
4/16/2014 03:54:00 AM
Hey non-cop, if you couldn't glean what Rule 14 was from the write-up then go play somewhere else.
Anonymous said...
Rahm is salivating over this.
He paints with a wide brush.... in Rahm's devious mind he thinks those lying cops don't deserve their full pensions therefore there must be REFORM.
4/16/2014 02:47:00 AM
A Chicago politician pointing a bony finger at someone for LYING? Sort of like Mario Andretti handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500 or Jesse Jackson counseling Bill Clinton about cheating on his wife,.
Anonymous said...
Can you explain things like Rule 14 in the text? The blog isn't all-cop readership, some of us don't know these things but like to follow along.
4/16/2014 03:54:00 AM
Telling a whopper in the course of official duties, false report, written or verbal.
Here we go again. Another black eye that we don't need. I am not the most moral or best person around, but I have been a working copper for most of my career. How would they like it if some police officer did that to one of their family members. When are we going to realize that lying under oath and "putting cases" on people not only isn't worth it, but is just plain wrong.
Pay attention. the guy is a doper in possession of a felony amount. They didn't "put the case on him." The issue is they said they cuffed him after finding the stuff. The video shows the cuffing took place before the search of the vehicle. Remember the kids' game Mother May I? That's what the criminal court has become.
The judge in the case is wacko. Her father may have been one of the originators of waterboarding during his time OTJ.
Over 700 Chicago Patron Saints.
Metra releases names from its 'patronage files'
"Hand-written index cards reflecting patronage hiring at Metra dating back 30 years contain recommendations from dozens of politicians—a virtual who’s who of clout ranging from Chicago aldermen to state legislators and even a well-respected former U.S. senator.
The records, released Tuesday to the 'Tribune as copies of more than 700 index cards, were called “Patronage Files” by the special task force that called for reforming the commuter rail agency.
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" Images of the handwritten cards, which were redacted in some cases, were released Tuesday by Metra in response to a request under the Illinois Freedom of Information Act.
The task force's March 31 report said Madigan was a “prominent participant” in patronage hiring at Metra.
But Madigan wasn’t alone.
The index cards provide a quirky but incomplete history of hiring at Metra. Each card offers a partial snapshot of job candidates, what positions they were seeking or received and who was listed as their patron.
The jobs range from budget analyst to car cleaner, and the patrons were some of the most colorful characters in Chicago history. They include a host of now-convicted power brokers, from ex-Gov. George Ryan to former Chicago Ald. Ed Vrdolyak and former Metra board member Donald Udstuen. Among the other marquee political names were Madigan, former Gov. Jim Edgar, former Illinois Senate President James “Pate” Philip, ex-Mayor Jane Byrne and even the late U.S. Sen. Paul Simon.
While some cards indicate whether or not a person got a job, there is little to indicate whether or not the patron did anything to help them.
Some notations on the cards suggested Metra officials stretched to find jobs for unqualified candidates or family members. In some cases, the notations describe how Metra officials went out of their way to track down job candidates who had been recommended by politicians but showed no initiative to pursue the work. In other cases, notes indicate the employees quit within weeks of taking their jobs. "
read more: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-metra-patronage-index-cards-20140415,0,1393489.story
Under what authority do they get to choose which cards with names on them get redacted -- it's our fuk'n money.
Lemme guess, we get to see the ones that have politico's who have already been thrown under the bus and are sitting in the joint.
Thew windows down at the street level are all broken. However up in the penthouse..5th floor and above heh-heh. we ain't got time for dat,
Only video seen at this point is the 2nd GPD assist car...when did it arrive? Could have it been after the officers originally approached the car, smelled marijuana, and then approached the car a second time? Look where the GPD officer is standing. Maybe he already handed the stop over to the CPD guys AFTER his initial contact? To little info...defense attorney gets a little doubt to hang his hat on and an all too anxious judge jumps at the chance to screw with the police. I agree with the post above that the ASA probably did little prep work on this case, hopefully it will all work out for all the officers.
rule 14 is that a player cannot stroke while receiving physical assistance or protection from the elements.
City Hall/Finance taking liberties with our deferred compensation deposits. Today is pay day and my contribution hasn't been deposited, (and that is the money from the 1st of the month pay day). All city employees in deferred compensation are being financially screwed by the CIty. The city makes millions in interest by delaying all deferred compensation deposits by all city employees.
4/16/2014 01:13:00 AM
SCC, why allow that crap to be posted?
Maybe a certain sat sgt should take heed.
How the fuck does the State not review the tape a dozen times before trial? The issue is the police on the stand say offender was arrested after they find the weed but video shows him handcuffed before they find the weed. I'm sure the OCD officers did their homework before stopping the offender. They knew who he was, where he lived, what he would be drivering and if he had a valid drivers license. This wasn't just a suburban street stop. During prep how do you not go over the tape with the State, how is this missed? The only explanation could be is the officers wrote in their initial reports the offender was arrested after they found the weed and didn't know about the tape until later, by that time reports were submitted and approved. So now you admitt you lied on reports or stick to the reports and lie on the stand. If the State knew the reports didn't sync with the tape the case never should have went to trial they should have dropped the charges. Who knows this is only speculation.
Glenview can find other officers who don't find it such a burden to just, you know, tell the court what happened as they recall it.
Glenview has over 70 officers and a staff of over 80; a $30 million police station (doesn't everyone need a range that you can drive a car in?); a generally wealthy and passive population that just writes checks.
It is the perfect department for former military and officers working on a second pension. So, hey, you have to bust high school kids drinking beer sitting inside their parents' house and ticket businessmen with too many martini's on the way home from the country club or landscapers carrying weed but everybody has troubles.
No pesky CAPS meetings with citizens, no committees, no requirements to relate to the community, no worries about taxes going down. Broad support from the community who are generally boring and go to bed at 10:00.
I am glad that these guys have decided to chuck that. The citizens of Glenview can find some other officers - no problem.
After reading SCC for a while, I think there are a bunch of CPD officers who have had enough nonsense and would be willing to take risks ticketing 110 pound moms driving Range Rovers for that right on red violation. We would love to have you.
What's difference does it make!!! Everyone fibs a bit...
By the way, I never had "relations" w/that fat,little intern......
There is a law that requires every person who is questioned by a police officer to respond truthfully. Even if the police officer is lying.
How is it acceptable for a police officer to lie - under oath - in court during proceedings that could incarcerate someone? The State's Attorney shouldn't have to prep the officers to answer truthfully.
While it doesn't look good... Can we believe everything the media puts out? Really?
Okay, "it's" video but the narrative is coming out of the mouth of...
The video doesn't lie! No, of course it doesn't, just watch any Criss Angel (magician/illusionist) for proof of that.
Surely it's an every day occurrence for somebody, on camera, to put Pudgy Penny's top on Garry McCarthy's bottom and it's all real, right?
Can we just let it play out the way it's supposed to? Then, if required, we can burn them at the stake... or take them out and BUY them a steak.
Gotcha what!!!!!! Traffic stop, pulled out of car, recovered!!! Not perfect but for God sake nothing was planted!!!! Hang these guys over this then 90% of this department is going to have to be canned!!!!!!!
4/16/2014 04:09:00 AM
I agree! If this is just a case of when the handcuffs were put on its a witch hunt. The attorney was hootin and hollering cause he said the cops searched the car before the cuffs went on and video shows him being cuffed right away then car was searched. Im sure there is more to story. CPD doesn't just make traffic stops in Glenview. There was a reason for being there such as narcotics investigation, tip etc. Lawyers, media love to spin it into a scandal!'
Has anybody ever been fired over the EXACT time the handcuffs went on an offender??? Planting evidence, stealing, bribes, shake downs yes, but the exact time the handcuffs went on??? I don't know.
Do things the way you're supposed to do them...don't take shortcuts...don't practice "creative writing 101" or other such shit and absofuckinglutely don't lie in court. Finally above all, assume you're being videoed by something or someone at all times. Has everyone forgotten the Rodney King video already? I know it's been over 20 fucking years!
In the end the asshat with the weed is a "hero" in some circles and five cops tossed their careers away for nothing!
Anonymous said...
Can you explain things like Rule 14 in the text? The blog isn't all-cop readership, some of us don't know these things but like to follow along.
4/16/2014 03:54:00 AM
Rule 14: Do you pick your nose in Poughkeepsie?
Isn't it possible that the officers were simply creating a safe environment by temporarily handcuffing their subject? Then, when the facts warranted an arrest, said subject was arrested?
Just asking.
Fucking pieces of shit. They should lose their jobs and face criminal charges. It's cops like those assholes that make it impossible for citizens to trust any of you. I hope they rot in hell.
So if this mysterious video wasn't disclosed, how can it stand up in court?
Under the rules of "discovery" the ccsa should have received the dash video and reviewed it. So either the ccsa dropped the ball or they knew what it contained and allowed the officers to impeach themselves. The only other explanation would be if the defense atty. somehow wasable to enter the video into evidence without the ccsa being able to review it. That's it.
4/16/2014 09:40:00 AM
are you an idiot? or just a special kind of stupid?
The dog-asses love stories like this. They can use it to justify why they have done nothing for their entire career, and don't have to face the reality that their lazy cowards. "See baby this is why I never go to court like all the other guys, now did you wash my uniform so I can go play police?" If your a worker your a worker, if your a dog your a dog, anything else is a lie. Hope these guys come out of this ok.
Lots of sideline quarterbacking going on! How about you don't believe everything these rags that we know as the Chicago tribune and the Chicago suntimes don't always print the truth!!! Man, some of you guys are as bad as the reporters......guilty until proven innocent huh? I wasn't there and neither were you posters! How about sticking together and waiting for all the facts to come out! How about why did the Sgt from Glenview testify and then allow her officers and the CPD officers to testify before she had a guilty conscience and turn over the vehicle tape to the Defence attorney? How come the ASA didn't recess to review the tape after it was announced by Defence that he just gotten this tape? Quit acting like you know everything after reading what the tribune spews out as facts!!!
There is a law that requires every person who is questioned by a police officer to respond truthfully. Even if the police officer is lying.
How is it acceptable for a police officer to lie - under oath - in court during proceedings that could incarcerate someone? The State's Attorney shouldn't have to prep the officers to answer truthfully.
4/16/2014 01:34:00 PM
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Some people are so dumb! I am working with the best and the brightest.
If you think deferred payments are delayed ask deferred is it in fact true and is there any legal steps to take against the city making money by delaying deposits and costing you the interest made!
I can't stand the police who talk down to others like they haven't done the same exact thing. "There's plenty of legal ways to get bad guy without fabricating PC" blah blah blah and with weak PC watch the bad guy and his liberal lawyer destroy you in court and possibly sue you once that not guilty slaps you in the face Mr. Lexus Nexus. How do you know those cops in your law bible didn't strengthen their PC. Strengthing PC is completly opposite of putting a case on someone. In this case the clown had weed. Is it wrong for police to want him to be found guilty for the crime he did? Why is the all attention on cops and not p.o.s. With the lb of weed. Stick up for your fellow officers cowards!
"...To bad for suburban guys going along with the real police."
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The real police?
Whoever authored that is a complete and REAL asshole!
Anonymous said...
Has anybody ever been fired over the EXACT time the handcuffs went on an offender??? Planting evidence, stealing, bribes, shake downs yes, but the exact time the handcuffs went on??? I don't know.
4/16/2014 01:56:00 PM
It's not so much the time, but the issue of the officers (allegedly) perjuring themselves about the probable cause to put the cuffs on. Cases are thrown out all the time on probable causes without perjury issues. If officers acted in good faith they can get sued but usually avoid criminal charges.
Anonymous said...
Hey Dummy, you can't cuff everyone you see for officer safety. People have civil rights! Restraining everyone while you interview them isn't acceptable, you'll just have to man-up and talk to people while their hands are free until you have probable cause to detain or arrest them. Or you may need to explain officer safety in the lawsuit trying to take your house and your kid's college fund.
4/16/2014 09:47:00 AM
In this instance, there was a strong odor of cannabis and some history of surveillance activity i'm supposing that would justify this cuffing for safety.
Also, every officer has a different perception of danger or safety. Macho cop may not feel a need to where a 100 lb female cop may feel absolutely inclined to cuff for safety in a same given scenario.
Anonymous said...
Gotcha what!!!!!! Traffic stop, pulled out of car, recovered!!! Not perfect but for God sake nothing was planted!!!! Hang these guys over this then 90% of this department is going to have to be canned!!!!!!!
4/16/2014 04:09:00 AM
I agree! If this is just a case of when the handcuffs were put on its a witch hunt. The attorney was hootin and hollering cause he said the cops searched the car before the cuffs went on and video shows him being cuffed right away then car was searched. Im sure there is more to story. CPD doesn't just make traffic stops in Glenview. There was a reason for being there such as narcotics investigation, tip etc. Lawyers, media love to spin it into a scandal!'
4/16/2014 01:47:00 PM
Word is that the defense attorney did tender video as required to the prosecution but was either a)ignored or b) didn't bother to look at it. Again this is a rumor take it for whats it worth. God help everyone involved. This is not good.
Just be like the 90% of the spineless police and write 10 street cleaning Parker's and ANOV a dog walker for no leash and you won't have any problems and get your VRI.
Under the rules of "discovery" the ccsa should have received the dash video and reviewed it. So either the ccsa dropped the ball or they knew what it contained and allowed the officers to impeach themselves. The only other explanation would be if the defense atty. somehow wasable to enter the video into evidence without the ccsa being able to review it. That's it.
4/16/2014 09:40:00 AM
You sir have no idea what you're talking about. The video was used during rebuttal so it may not necessarily be part of discovery. Also the ASA involved in this is very pro-police, he would never let officers hang themselves in court intentionally.
Sounds like not great communication from Glenview regarding the video.
That being said, these officers will take some time and nothing more.
If the Glenveiw officers get launched for this I will personally sell tickets for the benefit.
Which is worse?
Getting jammed like a jelly-roll on "creative" testimony?
Getting jammed like a jelly-roll on "creative" paper?
Or both?
Everything was reasonable and defensible if not winnable until they decided to give cute testimony...
Tell it like it fucking happened!
That way, you're NOT a court of law being the star of a show called "I Think I Just Shit Myself."
We've seen too many good working coppers jump in the shitter and yank the handle playing the dope game...
Fuck playing these games with Dude...
If stopping dope was that high on the hierarchy of things worthwhile, a much better way than what is currently being walked would have been mapped out.
Problem is that coppers in the dope game take a motherfucker "getting away" personally...
Now you're writing cute-assed paper and giving cute testimony in court trying to "make something stick."
Dope is a fucking expanding industry... It's The Police who are treated as an impediment, not the dirty cock suckers flying, floating and driving that shit it or the m/fers with lawyers on speed dial acting as middle men. The mutts on the street are ultimately disposable and some Coppers get caught in the back-wash...
Make sure your paper is tight and when you go to court, testify right.
We remember being DRILLED in the academy on how to present your case and give sworn testimony in court. We also remember workshops being put on for field officers too.
Pffff! With so many of the exempts being likely candidates to be defendants under cross examination, it's a sure bet that talk of a workshop will be met with blank stares...
Getting the Police Department THEY want...
who the hell is charlie williams?
John Catanzara 008
4/16/2014 08:57:00 AM
There is a Department rule regarding bringing discredit to and publically commenting on issues involving the Department while identifying yourself as a member of this Department.
You just made it very easy. Expect a call.
To any lawyer that would have an entire street gang as your client: I hope your children, and every member of your family gets to meet your clients in one way or another.
A lawyer is there to see that you are given a fair trial. Too many use trickery, chicanery and outright perjury to free those that should be banned from the civilized. You are despicable.
Anonymous said...
City Hall/Finance taking liberties with our deferred compensation deposits. Today is pay day and my contribution hasn't been deposited, (and that is the money from the 1st of the month pay day). All city employees in deferred compensation are being financially screwed by the CIty. The city makes millions in interest by delaying all deferred compensation deposits by all city employees.
4/16/2014 12:18:00 PM
I believe the city can hold it for 30 days. Under the laws governing Def. Comp. All of it remains an asset of the governmental entity. If for example the city decided to take everything you have in deferred comp, it would be treated as "owed salary etc. in order of what gets paid back first. The def comp reps will say no way, hold their feet to the fire and you will learn all deferred comp remains an asset of the governmental entity until you start withdrawing.
Well the way I look at it is this. The only thing that is disputed is when he was handcuffed... Was this a mistake.. Sure. Is it purjury. no, a mistake is all especially when months after you are testifying and relying on your report only. The KID is the one who is admitting he had weed in the car. The kid says it was under the seat, the copper says it was not under the seat... so, that is a wash. The kid still admits he had the weed but it was in a different place... so that is a one on one with either party at this point having more or less credibility than the other. Copper said he smelled weed, that takes a fraction of a second to smell and process that smell so you have him exit. if the video shows the copper go up to the window which the kid said was rolled down because the officer reached in and unlocked the door jives.. he probably did smell weed. Especially if it is a white kid up in glenview its probably not crap ditchweed off a brick its more than likely a more potent cush which smells much much more stronger than regular weed and that amount can probably be smelled upon approach to the vehicle let alone right next to the car. So again, not perjury could still jive with the story so the officer had him exit.. the only point now is when he was handcuffed. there is not going to be a criminal case about when someone was handcuffed. This video and story was leaked to the media for one reason and one reason only.. $$$$$$$$$$$$.. that lawyer is about to file a lawsuit about it. the city of course strips the officers in a knee jerk reacion and IPRA will send the case to the states attorney to approve or deny charges which in this case I cant see any states attorney try to approve charges. They claim there was a "conspiracy".. its not a conspiracy when you all use the same report to prep for a case. Every person is refreshing their memory from the report. If the report is flawed about when he was handcuffed the reader may not have remembered that detail but saw it was in the report so assumed thats what happened... So there is no conspiracy there. I cant believe how many coppers on here are so quick to fall into this lawyers game. Hes getting public outcry on his side so when he files his suit the city is pressured to pay him faster. Did you guys know that IPRA referes almost 150 cases a year to the cook county states attorneys office to see if charges will be sought??? Did you know that you dont have to be notified when they do this? I learned that three CR numbers in my past were referred to the CCSAO with obviously no charges. Many coppers have no Idea that this is happeneing in the backround. thats what is happening here. out of those 150 cases or so that get sent to the states attorney every year how many get charged? Most time ZERO. these do not include off duty stuff.. Im talking about CR based on duty beefs that are sent to the states attorney.. and most coppers dont even know its happeneing. These guys wont get charged, rule 14? Maybe, but its a really really big maybe. I see inattention to duty for sloppy paperwork and not accuratly documenting all details in your report such as when the subject was handcuffed... but they wont go to jail, they wont be charged and they wont loose their job. Take it from me, Ive been stripped before over this crap I now unfortunatly know how the system works much to well. They will have a nervous crappy ride but in the end will be fine. 30 days for arresting officer, 15-25 days for the sgt just because this guy made such a big deal about it and this dept doesnt think when it jumps to conclusions. To the officers involved just sit back, take some breaths and relax. Dont let this drive you nuts. Worrying will get you nowhere. Let this thing run it course.
All the judges I know are a bunch of ass@&$@:!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
This is going to be ugly is an understatement.
Next up on IADs radar are several members from AN Sat. POs using their sergeants PC# to approve their own case reports, inventories, etc. with the sgts blessing while s/he is not to be found and/or dropping slips for OT but elsewhere. Cell records subpeaoned for text exchanges, forensic audit of computers and passwords and interviews between arrestees, lawyers and IAD and GPS records pulled for both CPD vehicles and at least 5 POs/Sgt cell records. This is real folks. Know who you can and can't trust cuz it's gonna get ugly as hell.
4/16/2014 01:13:00 AM
Dear Internal Affairs:
Spend an hour or two and figure out who works for you that's posting your investigations here. It isn't just an extraordinary lack of integrity you should be worried about, but the possibility that this person will eventually endanger someone because they simply can't find a way to keep their mouth shut.
And people ask me "why did you retire so early? I just laugh an smile.
The majority of commentary on this post is embarrassing. It proves how immature, unintelligent and reckless the CPD has become.
This is not about when or why the officers handcuffed the defendant. This is not about the officers forgetting to write some facts in their report. This is not about whether or not the ASA prepped improperly. This is not about whether or not the defendant gave the officers permission to search the vehicle and permission to look inside the bag. None of that matters at this point. The facts of the case now is that the officers committed perjury. 5 police officers lied in a court of law after taking an oath to tell the truth. All 5 officers had the exact same memory lapse and told the exact same lie as to how it really went down, and now, unfortunately, that is all that matters.
The truth is they did lie. They lied to protect their CI who gave them the info they needed to make the stop. All they had to do is tell the truth, but they were trying to leave the CI out of it so they can protect his identity and safety. No CI is worth my job.
4/16/2014 06:49:00 AM
For you coppers out there who think by disabling the in-car cameras by various means, remember there are backup systems you may not be aware of.
Don't do anything to jam yourself up in the first place, but if you f*ck up, it's better to come clean right away and deal with the consequences than trying to cover your tracks. Lying or not reporting something will make it 10 times worse.
Use the cameras to your advantage, not disadvantage.
Anonymous said...
Has anybody ever been fired over the EXACT time the handcuffs went on an offender??? Planting evidence, stealing, bribes, shake downs yes, but the exact time the handcuffs went on??? I don't know.
4/16/2014 01:56:00 PM
I tend to agree with the above writer. I suspect that this will not amount to much in the long run., but you never know about Alveraz who is political as they come.
Anybody could make a mistake testifying. How many things do you do in a day? I have made mistakes, does not make it a lie.
Sucks to be these coppers. But some of you posters need to come down off Mount HolierThanThou. Seriously, boys & girls: How many of us have pulled over some shitheads, then (technically) searched their car without PC? Yeah, that's what I thought. Hell, as a tac man, it's S.O.P. It's only by dumb luck that a video camera of some sort wasn't rolling when we did it.
To the person posting about the city making millions over the delay of depositing the deferred comp.
1. It is the city's money until you either retire or die.
2. Millions? Have to be kidding. Look at the overnight LIBOR rate that banks use for overnight transactions. If you do not know what LIBOR means- google it. What can you get for a 1 yr cd now-- .50% or so--thanks to the crooks at the federal reserve.
Thank you guys. In comparison to you special kids, I appear gifted.
I've lost count of how many dummies are saying"Cuff everyone for officer safety". Do the same, write it like the accused, go to court and have the defense atty pull a video of your arrest showing you cuffing the arrestee immediately without P.C. You will probably be using the same defense atty as the 3 narcotics guys.
The accused knew and understand P.C.
That is why they wrote the paper the way they did, but the tape shows a different story.
How hard is that to understand?
The only favorable thing to come out of heavy weight CLOUT walking away from a scandal like this, is that it sets precedent for all of us working stiffs.
If they pardon the sins of the CLOUTED they have to invoke the same punishment upon all of us.
I do not condone illicit conduct by any means but the discipline should be metted out equally to all.
Clout will rule. Chicago ain't ready for reform, yet.
Anonymous said...
How many times is this Sergeant going to be involved in stupid stuff. What a goof, a new chapter in the next book. Now everyone will be getting calls from his father trying to save him.
4/16/2014 06:50:00 AM
What other scandals was Jay involved in? I was under the impression that he was always pretty straightlaced.
Anonymous said...
A Rule 14 violation should automatically cost you your job. Not sorry for saying that.
4/16/2014 09:20:00 AM
Thanks for your input Charlie!
F This Guy Goldman....Latin Kings Have Him ON A Huge Retainer...Dirty, Scu Lawyer....
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Can you explain things like Rule 14 in the text? The blog isn't all-cop readership, some of us don't know these things but like to follow along.
Rule 14. Making a false report, oral or written
4/16/2014 11:46:00 AM
I think a Rule 14 violation is the least of their worries. How about perjury, official misconduct and obstruction of justice. Then there is the worry that the Feds may jump in and seek civil rights violation charges too.
Don't forget the misery of a federal civil rights lawsuit and the ruination of your career and name.
Bottom line is that dogs never worry about any of these things.
Anonymous said...
Gotcha what!!!!!! Traffic stop, pulled out of car, recovered!!! Not perfect but for God sake nothing was planted!!!! Hang these guys over this then 90% of this department is going to have to be canned!!!!!!!
4/16/2014 04:09:00 AM
I agree! If this is just a case of when the handcuffs were put on its a witch hunt. The attorney was hootin and hollering cause he said the cops searched the car before the cuffs went on and video shows him being cuffed right away then car was searched. Im sure there is more to story. CPD doesn't just make traffic stops in Glenview. There was a reason for being there such as narcotics investigation, tip etc. Lawyers, media love to spin it into a scandal!'
4/16/2014 01:47:00 PM
That is a great explanation to coppers but when a sitting Judge accuses you of perjury you have a major problem.
Let's be real OCD had this guy under surveillance. They knew he had the weed. The suburban dept marked car was called in to make the stop so they could make the arrest. Whether the weed was on the back seat or under a seat. Whether the dope dealer was handcuffed and then escorted to the back of the car or if he was first escorted back to the car first-does it really make a difference. NO. The dope dealer went to jail and the officers did their job. Yes, I have to agree the ASA sure dropped the ball. Can we not use a little common sense here. They were not bad officers, they didn't plant the evidence or do anything illegal. They were doing their jobs.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The ends do not justify the means....too many cops operate with the opposite mindset. They chase numbers all day to make bosses happy and gain favor and cush spots for themselves. Then they step on their disks one day and we are supposed to feel sorry for them and support them?!?! NOT
They knew what they were doing. They rolled the dice and came up snake eyes. Now man up and pay the price. Sadly Danny Gorman brought this up at the FOP meeting last night as if we are all supposed to feel bad for these guys. WTF. Now the union will defend them with our money spending easily 50th and or more because they made a conscious choice to lie. This shot needs to stop. Just cause someone wears a badge doesn't make them right. If you can't catch someone dirty the right way, it doesn't make it on to toss mud on them and say "gotcha". If you are of the mindset this stuff is ok, then I ask you this. Where do you draw the line? We batch when bosses jam us up over bulls hit because of egos or retaliation, but then we pull this shot on citizens. We need to be more professional and better than this.
John Catanzara 008
4/16/2014 08:57:00 AM
Agreed Officer but the LDF is there for incidents like this. These guys will lose their jobs and rightfully so but I don't think they should go to prison for this.
I can't recall anything like this happening before on the CPD. Five coppers accused of perjury in court is a tough one to crack.
Anonymous said...
It depends on what the rule 14 is sustained for. If its something like changing the facts of a case then its tough but both ipra and iad have used rule 14 loosely the last few years to make sure their cases can get sustained and stick at the police board.
4/16/2014 01:52:00 AM
The keyword is IPRA and IAD have used Rule 14 loosely at the Police Board. They use it loosely when CLOUT is concerned, otherwise you are GONE!
The problem that exists here is that a Judge has already stated that they lied/perjured themselves while under oath. The Police Board is an administrative hearing that follows the preponderance of evidence standard. All of the involved have already lost their jobs by this standard.
Whether or not they are criminally convicted remains to be seen. The standard of guilty beyond a reasonable doubt is a much higher threshold but when you have a Judge as the witness Good Luck!
Anonymous said...
Well maybe also if the state attorney that was responsible for prepping the case actually prepped the case would have seen what shit case this was it would not have gotten to the point where now the cops were looking at felonies themselves, we all have seen shit police work and we also have seen state attorneys that fail to prep case correctly.
4/16/2014 12:15:00 AM
Its called "Personal Responsibility".
It aint that fucking hard, you idiot!
Why blame someone else? Sure, the ASA wrote the the Case & Arrest... Are you serious?
The COPS FUCKED UP. PERIOD.
Anonymous said...
Truth be told, the majority of the old exempts all had Rule 14 violations somewhere in their careers.
4/16/2014 12:54:00 AM
Exactly, that's why they're called exempts so they will no longer be accountable.
4/16/2014 08:41:00 AM
Name one... Not to mention the 51% you purport.
OT --
McCarthy has been calling endlessly for "stricter gun laws."
Here's what that means --
Man On Trial For Single Shotgun Shell Gets Convicted Of Even More Bizarre Count
By Brian Anderson on March 27, 2014
"It is illegal to possess live ammunition in Washington D.C. without a proper permit. Mark Witaschek stood accused of possessing a single shotgun shell that had misfired and 25 muzzle loading bullets. A dud and hunks of primerless powderless lead do not actually qualify as live ammo, but a conviction was handed down early this week nonetheless.
"The court proceedings were just as ridiculous as the initial charges. Those tasked with enforcing the law showed little to no knowledge of firearms and ammunition.
"Prosecutors had to prove that a misfired shotgun shell and 25 muzzle-loading bullets were in fact live ammo and banned by DC’s draconian laws...
"Judge Morin held up the [shotgun] shell with a puzzled look. He then shook it, and claimed he couldn’t hear any gunpowder rattling around inside of it. He asked prosecutors to open the shell to see if there was any powder inside.
Assistant Attorney General Peter Saba said that the government wanted to open the shell but that, “It is dangerous to do outside a lab.”
"Prosecutors and police left the courtroom to try and find a lab, but were unable to locate one that was open. The judge decided that he would dismiss the shotgun shell as evidence.
"Had he known a little bit more about guns and ammo, he could have just looked at the primer. If it had been punched by a firing pin, it would be a good indicator that it was in fact a dud. Score one for Witaschek.
"The judge initially had a problem with [the 25 muzzle-loading balls] because antique replica firearms are not banned in DC. He asked prosecutors how if the guns were not illegal, the ammo could be. The lawyers took another break and came back with this gem: They said that some muzzle-loading rifles could be converted to fire modern rim-fire ammunition.
"Whitaschek did not have this type of gun, nor did he possess any rim-fire ammo, but the explanation was good enough for the judge.
“I’m persuaded these are bullets. They look like bullets. They are hollow point. They are not musket balls,” said Morin of the 25 muzzle-loading bullets.
"And with that, Whitaschek was convicted for having a couple dozen pieces of inert lead. He was officially found guilty of “attempted possession of unlawful ammunition.”
“None of these people know anything about gun issues, including the judge,” said Witaschek after his conviction..."
http://downtrend.com/71superb/man-on-trial-for-single-shotgun-shell-gets-convicted-of-even-more-bizarre-count
I wonder what armed robbery, what savage multiple rape was happening a few blocks away while this dignified, scrupulous proceeding ground along...
"Be careful what you ask for -- you just might get it."
Anonymous Anonymous said...
This is going to be ugly is an understatement.
Next up on IADs radar are several members from AN Sat. POs using their sergeants PC# to approve their own case reports, inventories, etc. with the sgts blessing while s/he is not to be found and/or dropping slips for OT but elsewhere. Cell records subpeaoned for text exchanges, forensic audit of computers and passwords and interviews between arrestees, lawyers and IAD and GPS records pulled for both CPD vehicles and at least 5 POs/Sgt cell records. This is real folks. Know who you can and can't trust cuz it's gonna get ugly as hell.
4/16/2014 01:13:00 AM
Sounds like Rahm is going to destroy any public support that we have by airing every scandal possible. Everyone think before you act!
You guys are morons.
It's not about the fucking cuffs.
It's about the fucking lies.
It ain't 2001 anymore kiddies. The post 9-11 hero worship is over and the citizens are often tired of pensions, corruption, and clout.
They said they pulled him over, asked for his license and registration, asked him to leave the vehicle,found the weed, then handcuffed him.
The video shows they pulled him over, took him out of the car(immediately), cuffed him(immediately), and found the weed(immediately).
There was no license and registration, there was no little talk,there was no pat down,there was no probable cause, there was no protocol.
If this investigation was so open and shut, they should have done it the legit way. Especially in the north burbs where kids' parents got money... LOTS of money.
You pull em over, let them sit on the curb. Call the k9 and call it a day.
Habercorn is such an ass! Easy mistake. Anything find not guilty
Shame on you if you demand their jobs
"Lastly, NEVER trust the burbs or the feds they screw up everything and roll over on everyone."
I can't believe they let you wear a uniform with a star. You should take a long look at yourself in the mirror, BEFORE blaming everyone else for YOUR shortcomings.
Lawyers and criminals are the same scum!!!
About deferred compensation, I stopped contributing and contribute to an independent mutual funds portfolio. The city's deferred compensation is a great scam since you literally cannot get your money when you might need it. That should be a red flag, the hoops you gotta go thru to get your money when you need it. It's our money, we should be able to get to it when we need it. The city not meeting their promised contributions is another red flag. I prefer to keep my money where it's growing without the city ever been able to touch it.
4/16/2014 10:21:00 AM
Wow, just wow. Your so blinded by your own ignorance it's not even funny.
The clout is way too strong. Nothing to see here.
Dear Internal Affairs:
Spend an hour or two and figure out who works for you that's posting your investigations here. It isn't just an extraordinary lack of integrity you should be worried about, but the possibility that this person will eventually endanger someone because they simply can't find a way to keep their mouth shut.
4/16/2014 05:36:00 PM
Hey Dummie,
Might it be possible that this a tipoff from IAD to some heavy weight Clout babies?
In this instance, there was a strong odor of cannabis and some history of surveillance activity i'm supposing that would justify this cuffing for safety.
Also, every officer has a different perception of danger or safety. Macho cop may not feel a need to where a 100 lb female cop may feel absolutely inclined to cuff for safety in a same given scenario.
In the "video" it shows the officer or sgt one on one with the offender. Offender is a big guy. I don't want to fight one on one with anyone on the job anymore of I dont have too. I would have cuffed him first too in this instance as a safety issue. Im holding off on judgement. You cant always believe whats on tv or newspapers.
AN. Sat... didnt female 003 dist tact get caught on dat 2-3 yrs ago. All still on (somewhere hiding) and Sgt retired. Juvy gun pinch with outsideagency
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Truth be told, the majority of the old exempts all had Rule 14 violations somewhere in their careers.
4/16/2014 12:54:00 AM
Exactly, that's why they're called exempts so they will no longer be accountable.
4/16/2014 08:41:00 AM
Name one... Not to mention the 51% you purport.
4/16/2014 08:53:00 PM
Ernie Brown for one! Frank Trigg for two! Carrothers for three! Shall we get into SOS?
Anonymous said...
So the "gotcha" you're talking about is when the guy was placed in handcuffs, before or after the bag was found. Nothing was planted, that much weed would have a strong odor so the search was good...it all comes down to when he was cuffed. Is this really a "gotcha" situation?
4/16/2014 10:34:00 AM
You do realize that weed, even the strong stuff, can be packaged so humans can't smell it through the packaging, right?
The video shows they pulled him over, took him out of the car(immediately), cuffed him(immediately), and found the weed(immediately).
There was no license and registration, there was no little talk,there was no pat down,there was no probable cause, there was no protocol.
Ahhh almost like they already knew what was in the car right?? Maybe narcotics surveillance, CI etc! CPD doesnt just go out to the fucking suburbs and make traffic stops. And who the fuck asks for registration?know I ask for DL and Ins after running a plate. Sorry if there is not always time for the tactical fucking 8 step. If you interpret the video showing officers stopping and cuffing to you, then it shows to me that officer approaches can smell weed, knows there is weed in the car for reasons above, officer is one on one with guy at first so he cuffs guy right away cause hes a big dude. I call witch hunt until more info comes out.
Was there suspicion on stop absolutely...was there "NARCOTICS" recovered and not planted absolutely by the officers...technicality error on when cuffs when on or not.......Did the offender immediately relate to the officers hey, I have a lb of weed "NO"...officers shouldn't loose their job for it and yes they should take time for not putting all facts together on paper!
Yes CPD screwed up big, however, what the hell is the ASA attorney doing, they screwed up as well and this case should have never made it to trial or even preliminary. ..horrible representation....good freaken job on bad guys lawyer for doing what he does best and thats his job...
To the person posting about the city making millions over the delay of depositing the deferred comp.
1. It is the city's money until you either retire or die.
2. Millions? Have to be kidding. Look at the overnight LIBOR rate that banks use for overnight transactions. If you do not know what LIBOR means- google it. What can you get for a 1 yr cd now-- .50% or so--thanks to the crooks at the federal reserve.
Yes, they are making millions....over time. The city generally deposits deferred comp about 10-14days AFTER you were paid. So the deposit from the 1st of the month check doesn't go in until a few days BEFORE the 16th payday. To make the numbers easy to understand, let's use 10 days. So 10 days multiplied by 26 paydays = 260 days per year, per city employee contributing to deferred comp that the city draws interst on. How many city employees in deferred comp? 10's of thousands. Over time, the course of an employees career, the city is reaping millions in interest on the cumulative backs of it's employees.
1 employee losing 10 days of interest per pay period, multiplied by 26 pay periods = 260 lost days of compounding interest for 1 year.
Multiply that over a 20 year career and that employee is losing 5200 days of cumulative interest, or 14.24 years.
You want to tell me again how the city isn't fucking it's emoyees, and making millions in the process?
Anonymous said...
The dog-asses love stories like this. They can use it to justify why they have done nothing for their entire career, and don't have to face the reality that their lazy cowards. "See baby this is why I never go to court like all the other guys, now did you wash my uniform so I can go play police?" If your a worker your a worker, if your a dog your a dog, anything else is a lie. Hope these guys come out of this ok.
4/16/2014 03:21:00 PM
The funny thing is...the dog-asses checks are the same as yours Francis. Now go get your dime bag pinch while I read the paper and watch a DVD.
2. Millions? Have to be kidding. Look at the overnight LIBOR rate that banks use for overnight transactions. If you do not know what LIBOR means- google it. What can you get for a 1 yr cd now-- .50% or so--thanks to the crooks at the federal reserve.
4/16/2014 07:23:00 PM
Thank those same crooks for your 4% mortgage. I used to have a 19% CD, that was in 1983-83. That was when the Prime Rate was near 20%. We can go back there and then you will get your big fat CD and complain of something else. Like inflation up high too.
Can you explain things like Rule 14 in the text? The blog isn't all-cop readership, some of us don't know these things but like to follow along.
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Rule 14 covers stupid fucking questions. You are in violation.
Next up on IADs radar are several members from AN Sat. POs using their sergeants PC# to approve their own case reports, inventories, etc. with the sgts blessing while s/he is not to be found and/or dropping slips for OT but elsewhere. Cell records subpeaoned for text exchanges, forensic audit of computers and passwords and interviews between arrestees, lawyers and IAD and GPS records pulled for both CPD vehicles and at least 5 POs/Sgt cell records. This is real folks. Know who you can and can't trust cuz it's gonna get ugly as hell.
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ummmm, yeah ok. thanks for letting everyone know about this "investigation". seems like you know an aweful lot about the sgt you speak of. bitter about something? Dumped maybe? he took your spot? or are you a disgruntled blue shirt who has to work the desk officer/desk sgt position and you are on the power trip of coppers already having their stuff approved and not going through you? You know this sgt just drops slips for ot and is bogus?? Yep, sounds like a real IAD investigation. ok mope go back to playing with your overly small ding dong in your moms basement... nobody likes you.
CPD = Totally Corrupt Organization. In the News almost every day now with something happening thats Corruption-Related. Time for major changes in CPD' s corrupt and ineffective Command Structure.
Take jim padar's link off your web page until this and the remodeling beef against his son is rectified. We can't support him until they get s clean bill of health.
"Can we not use a little common sense here. They were not bad officers, they didn't plant the evidence or do anything illegal. They were doing their jobs.
4/16/2014 08:28:00 PM"
Practice what you preach, they lied in their reports & lied under oath in their testimony. Video tape showed their lies in action. Get a clue Moron.
Everyone talks about rule violations will get you fired. How come no one gets time or fired for working politically for the Democratic Party especially Mike Madigan. There is a rule violation for political activity just like rule #14. Bring back Ol Charlie and ask him under oath how he got all them promotions and Streets and San job too. The I team is too stupid to get this easy one!
"How many of us have pulled over some shitheads, then (technically) searched their car without PC? Yeah, that's what I thought. Hell, as a tac man, it's S.O.P. It's only by dumb luck that a video camera of some sort wasn't rolling when we did it.
4/16/2014 07:12:00 PM"
Is this your end justifies the means rationale?
Continue to do shoddy Police work, & when you get caught testilying be prepared to pay the price.
"Is it wrong for police to want him to be found guilty for the crime he did? Why is the all attention on cops and not p.o.s. With the lb of weed. Stick up for your fellow officers cowards!
4/16/2014 03:47:00 PM"
It isn't Our Job,that's up to the prosecutor. Your not Judge& Jury, if that's foreign concept for you, go back to selling shoes.
I won't stick up for POs caught in the lie.
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