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- Mayor Rahm Emanuel on Thursday announced a tentative contract deal with the Fraternal Order of Police, a development that could ease tensions with the city’s largest union going into next year’s election.
Administration and union officials would not release details of the proposed five-year pact, which must still be approved by the union membership and the City Council. But a source familiar with the deal said it includes wage increases totaling 11 percent over the course of a contract that will expire in 2017 and includes retroactive pay dating back to the expiration of the previous contract in mid-2012.
Police officers had feared they would not get back pay, after now-ousted FOP President Michael Shields failed to notify the city by the required deadline that the union intended to open negotiations on a new contract. Emanuel had that as leverage, while the union knew it was bad for the mayor to go into the February election with about 12,000 cops who belong to the FOP mad at him.
Rahm released this statement:
- In his statement announcing a deal had been reached, Emanuel called the proposed pact “a fair and responsible agreement—respectful of the hard work performed by the men and women of the Chicago Police Department to keep our residents safe, and respectful of Chicago's hard-working taxpayers.”
Um...we're hard-working taxpayers, too, last time we checked. Not only that, but we're taxpayers paying an additional 9% (minimum) to a pension fund that Rahm and Shortshanks allowed to go underfunded for decades. But then, Rahm has never been a detail guy - it gets in the way of his narrative.
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posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
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Once again, the low information officers didn't understand the obvious. Retro was never an issue. Rham made it an issue and you believed Rham. Complete fools.
Every other major city police department in the nation has a shift differential bonus for officers working the streets during the hours of darkness (3rd and 1st watches). Why do 2nd watch day officers, even those that work inside, get equal pay aka "duty availability"?
You can trust Rahm to do the right thing by the CPD and Chicago. He should be re elected.
HA..
Coffee just went up $1 a pound last week..oh wait scratch that it's a 14 oz package now for $9.00!
A dozen eggs last year you could find for $0.99 now it's $1.39.
Hamburger was about $3.50/lb now it's $5.60/lb
Bought a half gallon of fresh squeezed O-J at the fruit market and it was $8.00
Tell me how inflation is only 2~3%
GTFO.
Meanwhile, Rahm the king signs an executive order to raise the min wage of city workers to $13 from $8 over the next four years.
What is that....about a 11% per year increase over the next four years or over 50%.
Now what do you suppose is going to happen to prices with all that money flooding the system?
We're already getting screwed from our savings and retirement with the Feds quantitative easing bullshit as it chips away at the dollars purchasing power a.k.a inflation.
So now it's time to hit the other side of the time value of money.
I'm grateful. Not ashamed to say it. A lot of people aren't getting pay raises these days, let alone retro. Good work all the way around. That includes the mayor.
A pension fund that Rahm, Shortshanks, and every cop, fireman, teacher, and city worker stood by and watched become underfunded and sat on their hands. Knowing that the kickback from their union to the democrats across the table was the reason for these juicy pension obligations. Never holding any one accountable. The union, the city, nobody. Now Rahm is trying to put off a 2016 payment to 2023. Cry me a river! It's your own damn fault!
Raise the residency,
Must live within. 30 miles of chi-raq
There is no way he's giving us retro without getting something back!
He knows all anyone (90%)care about is getting their retro so he's gonna pull one of his famous "look over here" tricks, while he steals something else.
Don't fall for the retro trick!!
Why on earth do they continue to say we have 12,000 p.o's.
thank your lucky stars you and fire do not have to abide by rams living healthy program.
its just a waste of time and money the city cannot afford.
Take the money but don't vote for him !
12000? Hah.
I'm sure thousands of coppers are still going to vote for this little prick. Sad.
We are really hard working taxpayers, and many of us I would say most pay huge amounts of taxes to Chicago public schools since most of them are pathetic we send our children to private schools paying out much more than the average taxpayers! What are the details of this contract? If your not paying into the pension rahm sorry I vote no, you can keep the small raise! Retro forget it a little bit of crumbs but your ruining the pension, nope sorry rahm we are not that stupid! Or are we? We have much more educated police dept now than in previous contract and are not that insane to even think of crumbs you offer!
Rahm you have what over 2 billion hidden in tif funds? Yes why yes you do! Pay off the pension obligations you owe! Also let's see if you hold up rahm to the free health care for 55 and out if we sign up before oct 1 2014 and retire next year as many signed up in "good faith"!
Lastly SCC for all you do with the "spirits of the air" making sure we get information that was hidden, and giving us a place to laugh,vent, sometimes cry, may God bless you, them, and whoever! To anyone especially that lieutenant who said awhile ago mean things about shutting down SCC sir without SCC CPD would be a much darker place where people like you could operate more in the shadows and keep from us and the citizens any resemblance of truth! You sir want the identity of SCC boss! Here is who we/they are, look around sir the people,you work with maybe your boss,maybe your co workers, maybe just maybe the janitor, maybe the air you breath, maybe spirits from heaven, that's the maybes the for sure this sir is SCC is a living breathing phenomenon, that your small mind cannot comprehend!
Don't trust Rahm.
No thanks, any raise will be lost by a raise in your share of healthcare. Keep your puny raise! Just leave the current contract alone.
REGARDING: 12:17 A.M.
"Every other major city police department in the nation has a shift differential bonus for officers working the streets during the hours of darkness (3rd and 1st watches). Why do 2nd watch day officers, even those that work inside, get equal pay aka "duty availability"?"
I don't see why you would get a shift differential for 1st or 3rd watch. I love 3rd W. I HATE WORKING 2nd Watch. HATE IT. But have had to do it for various reasons and can't wait to get back to 3rd W when I am on it. I also hate midnights as well. I have worked days for various reasons but for the most part like being off during day hours. Nothing like going shopping Monday at 11 A.M..
I know guys on midnights with 35 YOJ who love midnights and do it for family/school reasons or have a PT job and wouldn't change it for anything. In 019 1st watch takes most seniority. Then days followed by 3rd W.
I thought Duty Availability was due to the fact that we have to be "Available". Meaning denied C.U., cancelled RDOs. I am not sure why you would refer to it as Shift Differential. That's why it's not called that. It is what it is. They can cancel your RDO and deny you CU because you have to be "Available for Duty" as a cop/fireman.
Did I miss a FOP response to Ald. O'Connor's bs statement that "the city needs to justify such a big lump sum payment to the taxpayers." Seriously? It's called a raise! It's called working for over two years when the cost of living has skyrocketed and police received nothing. It's called working in "Good faith" under the old contract until a new contract can be agreed upon. It's called what we are owed, nobody is "giving us anything."
How about the Alderman justify their salaries to the taxpayers and all their special interest jobs that make so many of them millionaires. Now that's something the taxpayers would love to hear.
Funny during an election year, he gets this done and finally approves the minimum wage bill after fighting both for years when his approval rating couldn't go much lower....
Raise the residency,
Must live within. 30 miles of chi-raq
9/05/2014 02:54:00 AM
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And have my property value drop in Norwood Park AT LEAST 20% to 30% ?
No thanks.. I got 5 years left.
YOU can do your time like I did kid.
The mayor isn't doing this because he is a good man, best believe there is some alterior motive behind this... The city always profits some way, I say vote no, and take our chances with the arbitrator.
11% is a garbage raise over 5 years, that barley covers cost of living adjustments, just wait and see where that raise gets you when the tiny dancer raised your pension obligations, you will be making less money even with the raise. The FOP better grow a pair and fulfill their promises during election time, if not, see ya!
Every other major city police department in the nation has a shift differential bonus for officers working the streets during the hours of darkness (3rd and 1st watches). Why do 2nd watch day officers, even those that work inside, get equal pay aka "duty availability"?
9/05/2014 12:17:00 AM
Go fuck yourself!
You're the poster child for what's wrong with this department.
If you think guys on days are scamming by getting duty availability then bid for days.
All POs do is bitch about what the other guy is doing?
Do you work VRI? If so you're a fucking SELLOUT. How about that?
Finally, someone speaks common sense. This job pays way better than I could ever find in the private sector. I enjoy the job and the pay isn't so bad.
I'm grateful. Not ashamed to say it. A lot of people aren't getting pay raises these days, let alone retro. Good work all the way around. That includes the mayor.
9/05/2014 01:26:00 AM
Anonymous said...
Every other major city police department in the nation has a shift differential bonus for officers working the streets during the hours of darkness (3rd and 1st watches). Why do 2nd watch day officers, even those that work inside, get equal pay aka "duty availability"?
9/05/2014 12:17:00 AM
Yeah asshole, lets TAKE something away from coppers to make you happy. Fuck you!
Agreed. Raise the residency or at the very least have a grandfather clause. This city is growing worse by the year. They can't change that in the contract, but they can sure as hell challenge the law.. AND win now. They tried before and lost.. Blah blah blah. Times are different and Chicago is the last hold out major city with this UNCONSTITUTIONAL rule. We are held hostage here.
No, I don't like it and yes, I'm thinking of leaving. Family is more important than this stupid rule.
Why is Rahm out front with this?
I don't trust that slimy snake as far as I can throw him.
There's gotta be something more to this.
If you notice there's no give back on pensions in this contract. Do you really think Rahm has suddenly given up on that? If you do then I've got some swampland in FLA to sell you.
Obviously Rahm is counting on his rat partner Rauner to get elected governer and then Rahm will get Rauner to start changing laws and allowing Rahm to fuck us out of our pensions.
Rahm is never, ever to be trusted.
Quit your bitchin - try working in the private sector where you fund your own pension/401K and haven't received even a 1% raise in 3 years
what is this 5yr contract shit.. our contract is only for 4yrs. why is our union allowing this 5yr term become the norm?
Stop crying already and for the one that is complaining about duty availability LISTEN STROKE I STARTED ON MIDNIGHTS THEN THIRD WATCH, so keep working 1st watch one day you will have seniority.
Retro was never the issue, an arbitrator would have looked at past practices and given the retro had it gone to arbitration. Rahm played you all and used the divide and conquer strategy. I said when the fire dept. Got theirs that we would get the same, low and behold. The item now is for all coppers to rally around the elected leadership,and protect the attempt that Rahm will make to ruin our EARNED pensions. Do your job, don't jeopardize it in any way for anyone, back each other up, and go home safely. The CPD of old is long gone and dead, the new CPD is just another city job, with the powers that be looking to terminate you at any reason, former commander Evans is the example. Be safe, give and rd#,and don't lock up anyone unless a complaint is already signed.
Anonymous said...
Once again, the low information officers didn't understand the obvious. Retro was never an issue. Rham made it an issue and you believed Rham. Complete fools.
9/05/2014 12:05:00 AM
If only we were all as smart as you. What a dumb comment to make. Complete fool!
residency now and you can have my raise...
Where's my subsidy?
Rahm-Rauner isn't doing us any favor. He is waiting for Brucie to give him that pension payment extension and without a doubt a huge real estate tax increase next March.
12:55am. You forgot to mention your water bill increase. The city should include bidets so our asses are nice and clean before they bend us over
Take the money and run don't vote for him !
I still hate 9.5.
I hated the fop guys but they definitely deserve a pat on the back for making this happen. Good job!
LIFT RESIDENCY RULE NOW!
I agree with the person who is grateful. It's a good deal. We lost nothing. People in the private sector are losing their jobs and if they have a job, aren't getting raises. You can say we're not the private sector, we're different but the private sector doesn't see it that way. They see it as they pay for us. Vote this down and we will see nothing and don't expect the media or the public feel bad for us when we get nothing. I'm voting foe this contract. Again, WE LOST NOTHING! That's huge. Great job by the negotiation team and yes, the city too.
Look At the big pucture, how is this going to affect everyone's future. Money sounds good, but now retirement is put out to at least 29 and a day and not 20. Maybe even 63 with insurance rates being ad high as the are. By the time you can retire, that 2% will be 20
Before that contract is signed and approved by the membership, Rahm better show the funding for the pension payment with penalties for any day that passes where payment is not made.
DON'T FORGET TO VOTE FOR RAHM! Big deal! It took over two years to get his answer while he made interest on the money.
This contract will last until before the next election and he'll play games again so he could rule the city. Don't forget we are still short police.
Other business's are moving out of the city. You MUST live here!
KING RAHM*********
Unfortunately this raise will trigger another increase in FOP union dues which will take more money from my check. I don't understand what they are doing with millions of dollars garnered from cops each year. The FOP budget is already bloated, they should freeze the dues right now and not get more money from us for oversized salaries and perks they do not need or earn.
Rahm is trying to con and lie to every cop in the city. He is nothing but a play to pay campaign contribution hustler who has complete and total disdain for everyone who is not part of his Gold Coast and North Shore crowd if elite. He will blame the police when he is forced to raise property taxes. He must be stopped at any cost. As must his anti cop pro offender aldermen like Burns, Walter Burnett, Jason Ervin, and every other clown in the city council who voted against more cops. Sen Patricia Van pelt and Mattie hunter have to go too. They never met an offender they didn't like. Fioretti is a law and order pro cop candidate and Rahm and his aldermen must be defeated.
Simple response to this_ Vote it down !!!! the teachers union got 16% plus they are raising taxes of which how much is going towards education- (CPS?) This is bullshit!! what?, we need to take the offer because this prick raccoon says so? fuck the city , we've been without a contract for 3 years and this is the best they want to give us? why?
VOTE NO ON THIS CONTRACT,LET THEM GO back to the table and if it goes to the arbitrator so be it, but 11 %? That's a slap in the face. we're the last city union to get a contract and this is the offer they give us, i'm freacking pissed now. yeah the neeting is Tuesday so we need to go and vote down the contract offer. There isnt anything Dean can tell us that will make me believe this is the best the city will do.Remember, that we're getting taxed on cell phones and any land line that is billed to a city address. This is a raise? I don't think so.
Yeah the 9 digit midget knows he fucked up and he thinks that this will make up for it? we cant strike but the teachers did, so let send him a message which the media will put out there that we are upset with the offer and we want more ( 16% at the very least!!!) we've earned it and deserve it !!!
They throw scraps at us like hungry dogs. What raises did the alderman get. Some people have said they are happy and grateful for a job and any kind of raise. Meanwhile the democrats give away money that should be going to us in the form of raises, benefits and pension to social programs for families that have been on welfare for generations for their votes. Wake up.
Water bills doubled , 911 telephone tax doubled , state income tax up 2% , license plates , city vehicle stickers , charges for cable boxes , look at city tax on electric , telephone , gas. Gasoline tax , real estate taxes , keep these crooks in and more to come .
3 men to change an alley light bulb , one man. Eat car to patrol crime on alley and street .
fyi... this is what cfd got
July 2012: 2 percent
January 2013: 2 percent
January 2014: 2 percent
January 2015: 1 percent
January 2016: 1 percent
July 2016: 2 percent
January 2017: 1 percent
This goes to the shift differential comment about 2nd watch officers. If you believe that 3rd and 1st watch officers should receive that extra check then I feel as a second watch officer in a working west side district should receive an extra check and not those in slower districts such as 18 or 1. Sounds stupid right? Let's stop fighting and hating on each other. Stop crying!
Why did a see a NYPD car driving near Clark and Jackson today? Does New York feel sorry for us so sent over some of their guys over to help out?
Still will not vote for him
Does anyone know the details?
Once again, the low information officers didn't understand the obvious. Retro was never an issue. Rham made it an issue and you believed Rham. Complete fools.
9/05/2014 12:05:00 AM
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Didn't one of Rham's minions state they were gonna stick in our asses after doofus forgot to send the letter? Sounds like an issue to me.
Anonymous said...
Every other major city police department in the nation has a shift differential bonus for officers working the streets during the hours of darkness (3rd and 1st watches). Why do 2nd watch day officers, even those that work inside, get equal pay aka "duty availability"?
9/05/2014 12:17:00 AM
Don't be a hater...
Anonymous said...
Why on earth do they continue to say we have 12,000 p.o's.
9/05/2014 05:24:00 AM
That number includes ALL sworn members.
The northsiders played us like a fiddle by Pat OConnor and the 9 finger midget. Pat should keep his mouth shut. Go to arbitration and pay out the ass only to find out that it gets stuck in our ass. Remember the city never intended to withhold the retro but they can for atleast 1 year. Vote yes and get this behind us. You should all be more pissed about the Benefits Management Office being outsourced to a Canadian firm that has an office in Atlanta. We have to live in this city but the consultants that manage the employees don't. Unreal. Misguided anger.
Anonymous said...
Retro was never the issue, an arbitrator would have looked at past practices and given the retro had it gone to arbitration. Rahm played you all and used the divide and conquer strategy. I said when the fire dept. Got theirs that we would get the same, low and behold. The item now is for all coppers to rally around the elected leadership,and protect the attempt that Rahm will make to ruin our EARNED pensions. Do your job, don't jeopardize it in any way for anyone, back each other up, and go home safely. The CPD of old is long gone and dead, the new CPD is just another city job, with the powers that be looking to terminate you at any reason, former commander Evans is the example. Be safe, give and rd#,and don't lock up anyone unless a complaint is already signed.
9/05/2014 10:44:00 AM
I'm curious, as you stated, how "Rahm played us all?" We weren't involved in the negotiations, so how did we get played? Did you get played or is it just the rest of us?
Chicagoland PD's give extra pay to their 1st watch personnel...why don't we?
Let me be the first to congradulate the entire board of directors and the contract team. The contract team work countless hours, and spent many nights from there families. The progress made in a short time is un heard of. Things to remember,WE were damaged goods. When the new team took over with the help our brothers and sisters, we were able to complete the job and deliver a good contract. We all know it is not perfect, none every are. If we went to arbitration we ran the risk of loosing free health, wellness, and retro pay. In addition the increase in duty availabilty.
Contract gets voted down by membership, then arbitration award in Spring of 2015 with an 11% raise over five years, and in 2017 start the contract non-negotiation process all over again.
Let's give a hearty 9.5 circle-jerk handshake to all of the FLOP "professional" negotiators who allow the same broken record to be played time and time again. Make sure to show up at the next FLOP meeting to be ignored.
Dear FLOP defective detective negotiators -- for the next contract, throw us saps in patrol a bone instead of a boner:
10 hour days;
All 1st and 3rd watch patrol cars 10-4;
Rotating shifts have been gone for more than 20 years, hows about true PATROL ONLY shift differential for 1st and 3rd watches;
Dump VRI and allow patrol officers to work RDOs in their district of assignment for time-and-a-half.
Thanks for pretending to listen.
For government employees tax paying is merely an accounting artifact. Otherwise it's a perpetual motion machine.
Say for instance a government employee is paid $100,000/yr but then pays $20,000 in taxes. If he were paid $80,000 tax free it would be the same thing.
Removing this accounting fiction would be fine for me, but then people who are emotional and don't understand math would get angry. Plus it would be difficult to figure out each layer of government's cut. It's just easier to pretend government employees pay taxes on their salary paid from taxes instead of just being paid less from taxes.
As to pension contributions. Unlike social security, a government employee pension is an individual account. Social security was ruled by the government's courts to be a welfare program with no individual account or ownership rights that exists at the whim of congress. FICA is a tax. If you wish to argue that government employee pensions are welfare programs I am willing to listen.
The CPD of old is long gone and dead, the new CPD is just another city job, with the powers that be looking to terminate you at any reason, former commander Evans is the example.
Last I checked that moron stuck his gun in some scumbags mouth and then didn't even have the common sense to clean the fucking thing for months. I'd say that's terminating you for a reason even if that reason is being an idiot.
Look At the big pucture, how is this going to affect everyone's future. Money sounds good, but now retirement is put out to at least 29 and a day and not 20. Maybe even 63 with insurance rates being ad high as the are. By the time you can retire, that 2% will be 20
9/05/2014 11:56:00 AM
What the fuck are you talking about?
"Tell me how inflation is only 2~3%"
Productive sector raises are negative up to 2-3%.
QE and ZIRP, and so forth is about impoverishing the middle class. Declining real wages, higher productivity.
Anonymous said...
Before that contract is signed and approved by the membership, Rahm better show the funding for the pension payment with penalties for any day that passes where payment is not made.
9/05/2014 12:14:00 PM
If Rahm fails to make that payment the State of IL is supposed to make it by withholding tax revenues from the City. The way the law reads, that payment will be made by the state if not the City, it will be made.
But it was passed by Illinois politicians and it will be after election day soon so... bend over and brace yourselves.
Just released; No retro on overtime earned during first year of new contract.
"Nothing like going shopping Monday at 11 A.M.."
Another benefit of working daze.
No health care if you do 29 and a day and have maxed out if you have not reached 55... so the FOP says it is okay to do 30 years with no health care....nice... 20 and 55 free health care. Extra Decade of work means nothing. City wants 937 for single person and 1833 for a couple per month if your not covered by the 55 and out... Do the math, it gets very expensive very fast.
Thanks for your screw up mike shields. You screwed up by not sending out a simple letter. I am voting no on the contract. Blame it all on lil mikey. He does not have a single friend on the job now.
Shit fucking offer. 3% per year. Don't give up anything on pension and leave tuition reimbursement alone.
And since when is it part of our contract negotiation the purchase of police cars! WTF. All the new cars go to bosses and clouted as take home cars. Don't use this as a barge bing chip.
It's the city's job to buy city equipment.
If your car is an unsafe pos just down the car. If not take car out and do your job. I don't need fancy car to do my job.
How fucking stupid to include that in talks. These guys are fucking morons.
Vote no and go to arbitration if it's still possible. Shit fucking offer.
Nice Job FOP - new leadership is working. We got what fire did - nothing special, but Mike, Bill, Rich would have fought for two more years with the city and they would have blown smoke up everyone's ass and we would have ended up with the same.
No retro for ot. Thanks Dean. You're just as useless as the last asshole.
Every other major city police department in the nation has a shift differential bonus for officers working the streets during the hours of darkness (3rd and 1st watches). Why do 2nd watch day officers, even those that work inside, get equal pay aka "duty availability"?
Get some time on the job and stopped complaining
Simple response to this_ Vote it down !!!! the teachers union got 16% plus they are raising taxes of which how much is going towards education- (CPS?) This is bullshit!! what?, we need to take the offer because this prick raccoon says so? fuck the city , we've been without a contract for 3 years and this is the best they want to give us? why?
VOTE NO ON THIS CONTRACT,LET THEM GO back to the table and if it goes to the arbitrator so be it, but 11 %? That's a slap in the face. we're the last city union to get a contract and this is the offer they give us, i'm freacking pissed now. yeah the neeting is Tuesday so we need to go and vote down the contract offer. There isnt anything Dean can tell us that will make me believe this is the best the city will do.Remember, that we're getting taxed on cell phones and any land line that is billed to a city address. This is a raise? I don't think so.
Yeah the 9 digit midget knows he fucked up and he thinks that this will make up for it? we cant strike but the teachers did, so let send him
a message which the media will put out there that we are upset with the offer and we want more ( 16% at the very least!!!) we've earned it and deserve it !!!
Firemen sure didn't help us by signing the contract for 11%. No way Rahm was going to give us more because the CFD has the "me too" clause and any increase for us would be more for them.
Also arbitrator would look at CFD approving the contract.
We are between a rock and a hard place
Anonymous said...
I agree with the person who is grateful. It's a good deal. We lost nothing. People in the private sector are losing their jobs and if they have a job, aren't getting raises. You can say we're not the private sector, we're different but the private sector doesn't see it that way. They see it as they pay for us. Vote this down and we will see nothing and don't expect the media or the public feel bad for us when we get nothing. I'm voting foe this contract. Again, WE LOST NOTHING! That's huge. Great job by the negotiation team and yes, the city too
Not saying to vote for it,but dont believe for one second we lost nothing. I'm a retired guy who has been thru many contract and we alaways lost something. TheFOP always talks what we got,but forgets to mention what we lost and ther will be loses.
When you negotiate with the city, they may give but they also always get.
Couple of examples that were hidden.
Incompression to 29 and a day, great,but they knocked out the 30 year raise.
Few contracts back said health insurance the same. Was $150 for individual,$250 for family. All that was said, but it was changed to $300 for individual and $300 each for the next 2 dependants. If you and you family use the health insurance it went from $250 to #900 a $650 raise
Anonymous said...
what is this 5yr contract shit.. our contract is only for 4yrs. why is our union allowing this 5yr term become the norm?
9/05/2014 10:14:00 AM
Because the CFD signed up for a 5 year contract, pretty much locks us into one.
Why on earth do they continue to say we have 12,000 p.o's.
9/05/2014
For the last time. BECAUSE WE DO,
BECAUSE WE DO
There are a little over 12,000 sworn officers on the CPD including all ranks.
Look it up on CLEAR, read you pension fund annual report or call them.
Forget the conspiracy theory and urban folklore, its true.
You pension board knows EXACTLY the number of sworn officers paying pensions dues each payday
The pension board is audited every year by accountants and list of memeber paying into the pension is included in the audit,
No major changes and a raise that would make those in the private sector green with envy. This is about as good as we could expect in this day and age
To those of you who want to take the contract to arbitration,,let's not forget that an arbitrator BFd us about 10 years ago to Daley's glee.
And to Rahm........So much for making us and fire bleed like you told them a while back.....fuck you
I am voting for Rahm! He lets me work VRI and is now giving me my retro!
He is the best mayor in the world!
You guys should be grateful he is doing this for you!
Now wheres my Kool aid?
I made more money when I joined the Department 28 years ago. Had free medical and was taxed much less. And at that time Daley had NO access to our pension fund and it was somewhere around 4 billion in assets. We have not had a decent raise to keep up with inflation for over a decade...our healthcare is SHIT and we pay for it. WE are taxed way beyond what is reasonable. We pay PREMIUM MONEY for shit services. I live in 16...have a fucking sinkhole in front of my house thats gonna cave in further, right now u can put a garbage can right into it. A tree that is about 90 percent dead and branches falling off of it all the time, huge branches by the way. Water sitting in front of the curb because there is no proper drainage. The city gives useless do nothing motherfuckers my tax money and yet can't even provide the bare neccesity items for safe living. FUCK THE 11% !!!! Give me a 25% raise..they already took about 12.5 percent of that now and will steal the rest of it as years roll by. VOTE NO! Tell the politicians we won't settle for table scraps while the non hackers get the bacon. That includes the politicians and shitheads.
I have a suggestion for what we should have had out union working on; wage compression. Why in the hell are we maxing out after 25 years, when most normal departments max out in much less time? Work on getting us what we deserve in 18-20 years instead of in 25.
Why did a see a NYPD car driving near Clark and Jackson today? Does New York feel sorry for us so sent over some of their guys over to help out?
9/05/2014 03:30:00 PM
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You should have directed them to 3510 S Michigan to go pick up Mc-Shithead and tahe hime back.
Anonymous said...
No major changes and a raise that would make those in the private sector green with envy. This is about as good as we could expect in this day and age
To those of you who want to take the contract to arbitration,,let's not forget that an arbitrator BFd us about 10 years ago to Daley's glee.
And to Rahm........So much for making us and fire bleed like you told them a while back.....fuck you
9/05/2014 07:38:00 PM
There is some language in there that I am very suspicious about. I've been through many contracts going back to John Dineen. I will not vote for it as-is. That pension language has got to go. It isn't what the words say in this contract, it is that there is anything at all regarding pensions in the contract. I don't like it. Rahm can shove the raise and retro etc. I want not one single word regarding pensions in that contract.
Pension law is good enough for me.
We are establishing precedent if we sign a contract with a pension sentence or paragraph in it. No matter what it says. Next contract they will want to put something else about the pensions in there. No, don't fall for it. My vote is NO!
Take out any wordage about pensions and it seems OK.
And the "no retro on OT for the first year of the contract" is in there. That was negotiated. Now the city has another precedent setting clause in there. I don't like that either. The 2% on OT isn't that big a deal, it is what it bodes for future contracts that worries me.
30 years ago the old timers said "never give back anything" meaning we might not get as much as we hoped but never give back something that was won by the hard work of many generations of police officers.
It took a while for me to grasp what they meant but it is very true. Over the course of my career, the wisdom of old timers has proved to have been good advice on these issues. They learned how I learned, the hard way, through years of experience. An officer with a few years might be able to handle the job etc. but just has not seen the deceit and treachery of administrations that has to be learned over time.
Man it's a shame we have to make Sgt to make a 100k salary for what we do it should be like that ALREADY!
Once again, the low information officers didn't understand the obvious. Retro was never an issue. Rham made it an issue and you believed Rham. Complete fools.
9/05/2014 12:05:00 AM
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No retro for ot. Thanks Dean. You're just as useless as the last asshole.
9/05/2014 06:59:00 PM
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I think you're the low information office. Office.
Anonymous said...
For government employees tax paying is merely an accounting artifact. Otherwise it's a perpetual motion machine.
Say for instance a government employee is paid $100,000/yr but then pays $20,000 in taxes. If he were paid $80,000 tax free it would be the same thing.
Removing this accounting fiction would be fine for me, but then people who are emotional and don't understand math would get angry. Plus it would be difficult to figure out each layer of government's cut. It's just easier to pretend government employees pay taxes on their salary paid from taxes instead of just being paid less from taxes.
As to pension contributions. Unlike social security, a government employee pension is an individual account. Social security was ruled by the government's courts to be a welfare program with no individual account or ownership rights that exists at the whim of congress. FICA is a tax. If you wish to argue that government employee pensions are welfare programs I am willing to listen.
9/05/2014 05:45:00 PM
What the fuck are you talking about? We do not work for the federal government, we work for the City of Chicago. Call it government but Chicago is a municipal corporation. Chicago cannot pay you in tax free money. The only tax free money is to officers injured on the job or to widows of KIA's.
Sounds like you have had too much University of Phoenix education and too little real knowledge.
There better be retro for ot all that vri,cta,court I've been doing! I'm a hustla baby!
You guys should be very careful about voting no.. The city is giving you your back pay all the way back to the expiration of the last contract. The city is only saying no to retro going all the way back. The arbitrator can (and I believe will) say no to retro going all the way back and leave out that 1st year altogether. Very smart move by the city.
I am voting yes retiring next year free health care was not a fan of dean but we did decent thanks dean and crew!!
Does anyone care about the city taking away 25-50% of our education reimbursement for grad school??? As a new PO that was a huge draw for me and should be for everyone who is on the job. I'm voting NO for this contract until they give us our full reimbursement. My other problem is the duty availability pay not being given until 42 months. If I'm a new PO and see something happen off duty I wouldn't take police action until the 43rd month of my employment because technically I'm not getting paid. It's bad enough we have to come up with 6-8k dollars to pay for all of our gear. That duty availability helps pay my uniform loan. I just feel like they're screwing PO's that don't wen have a vote because they aren't even hired yet.
why are the holiday and operations calenders not operating on the FOP 7 website?
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Anonymous said...
what is this 5yr contract shit.. our contract is only for 4yrs. why is our union allowing this 5yr term become the norm?
9/05/2014 10:14:00 AM
Because the CFD signed up for a 5 year contract, pretty much locks us into one.
9/05/2014 07:26:00 PM
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Really? How?
12:17 duty availability,because one day you will have what you don't understand right now....it's called seniority!
Unions fought over the right to bid for different shifts and for duty availability,did you hear about officers working 30 days and rotating shifts backwards 3,2,1 in that order studies show this takes 7 yrs off your life,so why do officers judge fellow officers,it like saying "dad why does my brother get more allowance than me,well son he's older than you he has seniority,you'll see when you get his age and his seniority,so stick around and enjoy the benefit and be prepared to hear fellow officers under you in seniority whine,just pass the cheese!
First, Im NOT a fan of Rahm.
That said, Karen Lewis is NOT a good choice or the lesser of two evils. She is great for the teachers. A powerful union and in bed with the SEIU (service employees international union). The same group that beat down (literally) opposition to Obama. The same group that is bussing unemployed goofs to demonstrate at rallies for things like Ferguson Il. 15 dollars an hour minimum wage, and Wisconsin capital when all their democrats fled the state to shut down Wisconsin legislature. I don't trust her or Rahm. In this case we need a real fiscally responsible candidate. Time to get rid of all democrats that use tax dollars to pay for future votes.
Shit fucking offer. 3% per year. Don't give up anything on pension and leave tuition reimbursement alone.
And since when is it part of our contract negotiation the purchase of police cars! WTF. All the new cars go to bosses and clouted as take home cars. Don't use this as a barge bing chip.
It's the city's job to buy city equipment.
If your car is an unsafe pos just down the car. If not take car out and do your job. I don't need fancy car to do my job.
How fucking stupid to include that in talks. These guys are fucking morons.
Vote no and go to arbitration if it's still possible. Shit fucking offer.
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You are a fucking moron. Hey dumb ass it was included because officers that work in the districts BITCH about their equipment and the vehicle is one of the many complaints...
I'm sure your ass bothered to submit any proposals. So unless your going to get involved and submit something SHUT THE FUCK UP...
To post 5:43 P.M.
Hey Angelo, don't come onto blog and start patting yourself on the back yet!!!
This is a department whose memberships majority probably doesn't vote in any election, so I imagine telling anyone to vote this contract down will only fall on deaf ears anyway. But, Rahm doesn't give a shit one way or the other. He knows police and fire don't vote, so he doesn't care! This is all about public perception. We vote this down, he goes to the media and says he tried his best, but the police aren't willing to budge. We vote yes and he says he did what shortshanks couldn't do, and finalized a contract with the last city union before an election. Either way, he plays it up to the media who in turn, play it to the public. Both outcomes end the same...we lose.
This is above all of us. We where meant to work our entire lives, and die early while the politicians get fat off the working people.
Vote NO, and see what happens next. I mean, last contract we voted NO to and we went to arbitration and walked away with less then what was offered anyway. We can't lose twice...can we?
What about our p days and BFd days and furlo days? Did they fix that so we don't have to drop slips to use them? Do we get our full furlo days or are we still confined to hours?
I'm voting yes. The 11% sucks, but the reality is we won't get anything better than CFD. If we go to arbitration we could get much worse and have no chance of getting anything better. Retro is not on the table for arbitration and we will lose it. The contract looks pretty fair. I thought it would have been worse.
Ok So we LOST:
• NO Retro on OT during 2012
• 55 and out free healthcare. Now we have to pay 2%
• Tuition reimbursement from 100% Max (an A) to 75% Max (an A). We lost 25%
• New hires now have to wait 3 ½ years to collect ANY duty availability. Now they get it after 1 year.
We “Gained:”
• 11% Raise over 5 years. This is after the last contract which we got the LOWEST raise in 30 years ( per Scum times and Trib when they talked about Fire contract)
• 24 Straight days instead of 20 days 1 year earlier. All sux until working day. Let’s be real.
• New cars. I’m sure the dollies and inside people will get these 1st. Safe cars is a OSHA thing.
• A NEW (??) Provision which states you “cannot be unreasonably denied time.” Yeah I’m sure we’ll all get Bud Biliken off (The ONLY day NO ONE can take off) Useless.
Ok , I don’t pretend to know everything. Maybe someone can explain to me how this is good. Yes I understand people in the private sector are losing jobs, but last time I checked I tested against 40,000 people and I’m here (Yes I got on in the 90’s) That and we are not here to make a profit. We are here to #1, walk on eggshells and not fuck up at work or home 24/7 and #2 get the bad guys. From what I understand, according to all the brass everything is down. Well who is making the crime problem go away in Chicago? The crossing Guard’s? No, The coppers. All of us. Each in our own way. Sometimes just sitting in a marked squad does help. So we get exactly what the Firemen get? The guys and gals at FD sit around until they are called. Not to be rude to them but lets be real. When we aren’t working, patrol is expected to be out there LOOKING for work. Yes of course they are different and both important jobs (Cops n FD) but look at all the progress we made, all with less personnel. This is a “profession” know, but they took away $ from our College fund. You work your WHOLE LIFE 20+ years for just that carrot at the end and now it’s 2%less. I’m sure it will be much less when you are leaving. All of this AND we miss our kids growing up, our families on holidays and weekends, no bonus $ or stock options. I knew I was never going to be rich being the police. I didn’t do it for money. I gave those things up it because I never liked assholes taking advantage of the weak. I like my job.
Ask yourself right now, what did the City give up for me?
What did I gain?
What I lost, is that equal to what the City gave up for me?
Not telling anyone to vote anyway.. lets post some pros and cons so maybe we all can see something we never thought of.
Whqt the fuck are you talking about?
insurance rates you dumb ass. Next year at 55 retired you pay two percent. The next contract will 10%, and by the time you retire, you gonna be paying a shit load of money for health care.
I agree with the person who is grateful. It's a good deal. We lost nothing. People in the private sector are losing their jobs and if they have a job, aren't getting raises. You can say we're not the private sector, we're different but the private sector doesn't see it that way. They see it as they pay for us. Vote this down and we will see nothing and don't expect the media or the public feel bad for us when we get nothing. I'm voting foe this contract. Again, WE LOST NOTHING! That's huge. Great job by the negotiation team and yes, the city too.
We lost free health care at 55 and HMO copays have gone up to 25 and 35.
Anonymous said...
I'm voting yes. The 11% sucks, but the reality is we won't get anything better than CFD. If we go to arbitration we could get much worse and have no chance of getting anything better. Retro is not on the table for arbitration and we will lose it. The contract looks pretty fair. I thought it would have been worse.
9/05/2014 11:31:00 PM
Everyone seems to be missing the fact that there now is proposed to be any language at all in the contract regarding the pension.
We do NOT want any language in our contract mentioning the pension at all. NOTHING.
Let it stay in state pension law. Do NOT open that door. Do NOT allow the City of Chicago to get their foot in the door with pension language in the contract. It seems harmless and innocuous now. Just wait two contracts down the line.
When I got hired prescriptions were Zero $ and we paid Zero for health insurance. Now look at how we pay and I spend $100 a month on co-pays on prescriptions. I am fighting to get one medication covered at all, they flat out deny it!
NO PENSION LANGAGE IN THE CONTRACT!
Wake up, that is the worst thing in there. That foot in the door will lead to unknown difficulties in the future. Write that one down for future reference. .
• A NEW (??) Provision which states you “cannot be unreasonably denied time.” Yeah I’m sure we’ll all get Bud Biliken off (The ONLY day NO ONE can take off) Useless.
In my district they deny p-days. That's how bad it is.
Anonymous said...
I agree with the person who is grateful. It's a good deal. We lost nothing. People in the private sector are losing their jobs and if they have a job, aren't getting raises. You can say we're not the private sector, we're different but the private sector doesn't see it that way. They see it as they pay for us. Vote this down and we will see nothing and don't expect the media or the public feel bad for us when we get nothing. I'm voting foe this contract. Again, WE LOST NOTHING! That's huge. Great job by the negotiation team and yes, the city too.
We lost free health care at 55 and HMO copays have gone up to 25 and 35.
9/06/2014 02:28:00 AM
Lost free health care at 55,but if you retire within the next 2 years you have it,put your papers in "whose with me?"
Since when was the purchase of new cars ever a part of contract negotiation?
Deliberate attempt to muddy the water with a diversionary "throw away" item like this.
BEWARE: Reopening contract to "address" pension
issues. That DOES NOT pass the smell test.
City takes a shit on tuition reimbursement?
Why even continue the charade of a "professional" Police Department requiring a degree for promotional consideration?
If this were ever done right, a degree would be an indicator of professional development and tied to a pay scale like LAPD.
This was actually looked at many years ago but the bosses and the city felt that a college educated department would be too difficult for them to control.
Hmmmm... Does't the city want to separate itself from state standards and certification by invoking some nuclear option version of home rule?
Imagine a Police Department full of what you see running around CPS high schools at dismissal time.
No minimum standards or testing because having standards and testing for them are culturally biased and racist but that's for another day.
This contract proposal is full of open ended goofiness from what discerning eyes can see.
Johnnie Balls says.... Has anyone met one person who admits to voting for Emmanuel??? Just one???
Firefighters protected members by demanding no staffing cuts . Firefighters do not go out in one man truck , also they filed a law suit against city for giving extra points and saving spots in every class of fire recruits . That discriminates against every race . Fire union and teachers union got what rahm said he wouldn't give them . Time for FOP to fight city hall , two man cars and a real shift differential pay raise .
Vote No , vote in Nov. And Feb . Elections .
Whqt the fuck are you talking about?
insurance rates you dumb ass. Next year at 55 retired you pay two percent. The next contract will be 10%, and by the time you retire, you gonna be paying a shit load of money for health care.
I'm still not voting for him or Quinn.
insurance rates you dumb ass. Next year at 55 retired you pay two percent. The next contract will be 10%, and by the time you retire, you gonna be paying a shit load of money for health care.
He's right Old time retired guy here. When I came on our healthcare was free. Negotiated that away and it started at $2.00 a month,look where its at now.
Firefighters protected members by demanding no staffing cuts . Firefighters do not go out in one man truck , also they filed a law suit against city for giving extra points and saving spots in every class of fire recruits . That discriminates against every race . Fire union and teachers union got what rahm said he wouldn't give them . Time for FOP to fight city hall , two man cars and a real shift differential pay raise .
Vote No , vote in Nov. And Feb . Elections
Dont be to sure about the CFD staffing. Just read an article about their contract and how the city did cut staffing in a round about way. Something to do with combining companies or trucks into one fire house. They also have variances that allow a ceretain percentage of trucks not to be fully manned
From the article
It would also free up the equivalent of 30 firefighters, since each one of the city’s BLS ambulances are staffed by a pair of firefighter-EMT’s. The city has agreed to hire more paramedics — anywhere from 50 to 200, sources said.
“It’s sort of a back door way of getting variances” from the requirement that every piece of fire apparatus be staffed by at least five employees, said a source familiar with the agreement. “Manning factors go down. There are more people available in firehouses.
We should not vote for any contract that has pension issues. Are pensions are protected by State Law, and should not be part of the collective bargaining process.
As far as vehicle and any other equipment issues, it's the citiy's fuckingawsome responsibility to have enough vehicles on had to fulfill the departments mission.
Lets not forgot the hundred of contract violations that are are filed against the city, each year, as they are always looking to shortchange the membership.
Was an audit completed to determine how many new cars we need? Was that just an arbitrary number pulled out of thin air?
If my beat car with no air and 120k miles on it is not one that is replaced, can I file a grievance.
The city's pension contributions are set by State Law, and they have violated the law with impunity for years.
What makes me think they will put 500 new cars on the street?
The mayo said he would put 1000 new coppers on the street, how did that work out?
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