Charges
But the lawyers involved think the best defense is a good offense - or at least an offense that will inflame a jury:
- A south suburban man has been charged in the beating of an off-duty Chicago Police sergeant who allegedly started the fight when he made a racist remark in an elevator in a downtown parking garage last month.
Joseph E. Baskins, 28, of Country Club Hills, is charged with unlawful use of a weapon by a felon in connection with the Oct. 30 incident, according to a spokeswoman for the Cook County state’s attorney’s office. He was released in lieu of $25,000 bail on Wednesday, sheriff’s officials said.
Baskins is accused of striking the sergeant repeatedly, causing major head injuries. He allegedly fled with the sergeant’s handgun — the reason for the gun-possession charge against him.
And why should we believe Baskin's account?
- In 2009, Baskins was convicted of burglary and sentenced to three years in prison. He was also convicted of resisting a peace officer in 2003, telephone harassment in 2009 and violating an order of protection in 2010, court records show.
Well. That sounds like someone completely believable with no axes to grind against the system, doesn't it? And even if the allegation turns out to have a kernel of truth, there's something called "disproportionate response," that is, you don't get to beat someone into a coma and rob them over so-called fighting words...nless we missed something in Springfield or some press release by McStreetlightMarksman.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
44 Comments:
A week or so before this incident happened, I was driving through a downtown parking garage and the aisle was partially blocked by a black suv driven by a woman who had two large teen boys in the truck.
She kept waving her arm and shouting 'go around' at me. I was driving a rental and it was taking a chance on a sideswipe to 'go around' so I rolled down my window and said 'pull over'.
She jumped out of that suv, started screaming 'you fucking white bitch, yeah, yeah, I said it you bitch' at me, and one of the young men got out of the passenger side. I figured the whole thing was a setup and I squeezed that rental by on the left, with that woman stomping on behind my car.
No, I did not beat her to a pulp, and I didn't pull my gun. By the standards shown in the the case with this sgt, I suppose I had a right to. I mean, I had heard a racial slur or two.
But I know exactly what would've happened to ME if I did. I'd be sitting in a cell right now, waving bye-bye to my house and my car and my pension. I wouldn't be free on a $25,000 I-bond.
POS should be in jail. Only in Crook County does a guy get bail for beating a cop and stealing his firearm.
Only in Crook County!!!
I believe there was a guy in 11 who lost his job for "not backing down " to just words and charged w aggravated battery. MM ring a bell anyone???????
So....one shitbag takes the weight for the group. Two patrolmen are stripped pending an IAD investigation for lying as to why this all never should have happened in the first place. And one Meritcloutorious sergeant walks on disciplinary repercussions altogether? Did Rick Flair make some calls? What say the good folks at corp counsel? And you wonder why people hate the police. We are our own worst enemy. I become more and more ashamed to be a part of what was once a great department every time I read about goofs like this in our uniform, and a supervisor no less.
Victim beaten, gun stolen. Why wasn't he charged with robbery? This thing still stinks to high heaven.
So was he only charged with UUW by felon? How about agg batt, theft or robbery?
Political correctness is a cultural Marxist term designed to destroy free speech and prevent criticism of those who rule over us. Voltaire said, "To learn who rules over you find out who it is you are not allowed to criticize". Who cares what he claims he was called? Doesn't justify a single thing, but it will play into the race hustler's narrative of portraying every White person as a racist and deserving of elimination. But who really controls this narrative? Who was behind the formation of the NAACP? Who really benefits from chaos? Conquering Western Man one race baiter, one feigned offense, one attack on free speech at a time. Goal: preventing any criticism of the major hustlers giving them total control over you.
Why didn't he turn the gun in to the first LEO he found?
Deadbeat dad has 26 kids with 20 women
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/worst-deadbeat-dad-675432
This case is so disturbing on many levels: 1. since when is a mob beating ever justified? 2. why was the police officer involved? 3. what was his partner up to? 4. What kind of city do we live in where a criminal and his gang can allege the use of a racial insult and it looks like will get away to a large extent beating up a police officer and taking his gun no less! 5. anarchy is coming to the rest of the city from the west and south sides if this continues.
Since when if you call someone a racist remark are they allowed to respond by beating your ass???? Well that will be everyone's response from now on. You can't charge me, he called me a ____ !
SCC you hit it right on the mark. You don't get to beat someone, or shoot or stab or do anything else to a person just because they call you a name. Even if it is something you might find particularly offensive. What does this say about our society? It is particularly disturbing that the media seems to be fine with this. The bad guy got called a name so he put the guy who called him a name in a coma. No outrage over the violence.
Unbelievable, the guy makes a remark and gets beaten and his gun stolen. I guess we can all use that defense from now on and not be charged.
Another mutt from Country Club Hills......where there are no hills and no country clubs.
ASA says this is a shit case. I actually agree with them. I'm not saying what happened is right.
Sorry... And it will be very unpopular considering I'm a copper myself, but the coppers bit off a little more than they could chew. Off duty, or in this case, they were technically ON DUTY at corp council but released hours before and went "to a long lunch" at a local establishment and had enough courage to say stupid stuff to a group of guys who whooped them. Guns and stars don't turn us into super heroes guys.. We are not automatically tougher than everyone else.. Don't make stupid comments if u can't back it up. How about this, don't make stupid comments at all... It's the typical I'm a cop tuff guy stuff and can talk to anybody anyway I want. I see it everyday on the street. Sorry guys, u screwed up big time and NO chances would ever buy a ticket to a benefit for u morons
No, I did not beat her to a pulp, and I didn't pull my gun. By the standards shown in the the case with this sgt, I suppose I had a right to. I mean, I had heard a racial slur or two.
But I know exactly what would've happened to ME if I did. I'd be sitting in a cell right now, waving bye-bye to my house and my car and my pension. I wouldn't be free on a $25,000 I-bond.
The main standard you seem to not be able to wrap your head around is that we are held to a HIGHER STANDARD. You are (both in theory and as documented on department training records) trained in the use of force model. You are supposed to know about the escalation and de-escalation of physical force and when to apply same force.
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Anonymous said...
I believe there was a guy in 11 who lost his job for "not backing down " to just words and charged w aggravated battery. MM ring a bell anyone???????
What happened to MM didn't happen here in good old Cook County. Didn't even happen in the state of Illinois. So your argument over appropriate charges and subsequent repercussions doesn't hold water. Not a drop. And at the end of the day it doesn't mean squat because his sentence was commuted and he was reinstated to the police department.
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Anonymous said...
Victim beaten, gun stolen. Why wasn't he charged with robbery? This thing still stinks to high heaven.
11/15/2014 05:37:00 AM
Anonymous said...
So was he only charged with UUW by felon? How about agg batt, theft or robbery?
Did you ever maybe just stop for a moment to think that the people involved in bringing these charges considered the totality of the circumstances? You know, just like you, the detectives and the ASA do. They interviewed the victim Sgt. They interviewed the two officers with him. They interviewed the shit birds. They interviewed parking garage employees. They interviewed witnesses and employees at a certain drinking establishment. They interviewed and took statements from very credible witnesses, those being the corporation counsel attorneys and office employees. They pulled surveillance tapes, credit card information, and phone records. Factors like these are considered every day when determining appropriate charges and bringing cases to the trial. This one is no different.
While I hope the sergeant makes a speedy and total recovery, everyone here refusing to acknowledge the facts surrounding the case only do the CPD as a whole a disservice. When the dust settles and the smoke clears all you goofs letting your emotions dictate what you think will have a much clearer understanding of why things played out the way they did. And then in typical cheap copper fashion, we will get to listen to you guys complain about dropping 40 bucks on the benefit party for the two coppers that are probably each going to catch 30 pending for this whole debacle. You guys and gals need to realize that it's a whole new day out there. The deck is stacked against us, and that includes off duty. Don't ever be afraid to do what you have to, up to and including using deadly force. But also don't abuse the power that came with that oath, and especially learn to control your emotions, alcohol intake and any other risky behaviors in which you might partake such as gambling, relationships etc.
Good speed to you all,
Retired IAD (and glad)
So....one shitbag takes the weight for the group. Two patrolmen are stripped pending an IAD investigation for lying as to why this all never should have happened in the first place. And one Meritcloutorious sergeant walks on disciplinary repercussions altogether? Did Rick Flair make some calls? What say the good folks at corp counsel? And you wonder why people hate the police. We are our own worst enemy. I become more and more ashamed to be a part of what was once a great department every time I read about goofs like this in our uniform, and a supervisor no less.
11/15/2014 02:22:00 AM
I concur completely with your sentiments. I expressed these same sentiments in a post last week and was vilified as being a shit head. The vitriolic comments expressed by some of our own toward other officers is disgusting and shameful. We were once considered as one of the best police departments in the nation and was held in high esteem. Now, we're the laughter of law enforcement agencies around the nation. The citizens nor the courts have any respect for us and anything we say is taken as suspect. It's unbelievable how many officers still donot get it. The media, citizens and other agencies read the vile, racist, and sexist comments posted by others. We are definitely, our own worst enemy. Eight more years til 25 and I am leaving at 53.
In light of what's going on in St. Louis it is apparent that the States Attorney is over reacting to the possible ramifications this incident might bring.
Sacrificing a couple of Po's to the to the media and public keeps a lid on things for now.
Hope it all works out in the end for the Po's. The Sgt. is a protected employee by state statute. Guess that only works when you are a Daley.
Sounds like an upstanding citizen to me........
"I become more and more ashamed to be a part of what was once a great department every time I read about goofs like this in our uniform, and a supervisor no less."
Fret not, little booby, and be ashamed no more. He was rumoured to be wearing khakis at the time.
Anonymous said...
Another mutt from Country Club Hills......where there are no hills and no country clubs.
11/15/2014 10:03:00 AM
Country Club Hills once was a nice suburb- until Section 8 overtook a small condo complex. Then it was white flight that would have made Roseland proud. It's now no different than the 3rd District.
If the sergeant was instigating a fight then yea a fight is what should have happened. In this situation I agree 100% There is no reason to beat someone to a bloody pulp and rob him. They'll get hit with a conviction. This is beyond a fight.
The retired IAD person makes a sound and logical contribution. Anyone with more than a minute on this job can surmise about 99.9% of what went down that day. We don't need to have been there to "just know" what happened. If your a working cop you use this sense everyday, and you damn well know what I'm talking about. Yes, I know "knowing" or "thinking you know" is different than "proving", but what you goofs that still manage to get into trouble like this from time to time don't realize is that the damage is done. Our reputation has been smeared beyond salvage over the last few + decades and current events nationwide involving the police negatively affect us all. When our guys do dumb shit like this from time to time it only rekindles the flames of anti-police sentiment. The demand for transparency is a good thing, it's just too bad that clout still rules the day here in CPDLand. Here's how it's gonna go down, because this is how it almost always goes down: There will be a couple sacrificial lambs to appease the general, police-hating public. There will be some kind of bullshit charge (as we see) vs. Dude to placate the police too ignorant to see the big pic. And there will be one to walk away Scott free (minus any effects and scars from the beating) because he's a somewhat clouted-up white shirt. Watch and learn all you naysayers. You will see this happen.
Anyone else see this report last night???
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/police-brutality-allegation-payouts-26928370
This Sgt is whats wrong with this department. Meritorious promotions have absolutely destroyed this great department. This is just one more thing that Dick Daley screwed up, thanks Dick! Just weeks before this Sgt was meritoriously promoted he still did not know what probable cause was but he drank the kool aide that Kulbida and Leo served up. He was willing to sacrifice his job and freedom to make the bosses happy. Trust me you will be reading about this again and it won't be good. G-d help anyone who works for him.
Good speed to you all,
Retired IAD (and glad)
11/15/2014 10:43:00 AM
You sound like a pretty intelligent person. Enjoy retirement. We lost something when you left.
I agree uuw charges and battery charges appropriate. however many coppers have tuned guys up for asking a question or exercising their rights and coppers doled out disproportionate response. Those coppers should then be charged for batteries too.
Retired iad has it right.
Anonymous said...
Anyone else see this report last night???
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/police-brutality-allegation-payouts-26928370
11/15/2014 09:06:00 PM
So what? The guy is screwed. What's your reason for bringing it up? He will get his day in court.
It doesn't matter. The liberals and media scum will portray this vomitus skunk is a great person who is a loving father and husband and what not.
And the liberal idiots will believe them.
Hmmm I get called names all the time. I just laugh it off. Now spit on me or make contact.
Well then I will do everything legal to teach you a lesson.
Sometimes no words speak louder than BS words.
What a sad story. I don't care what he may, or may not have said, that does NOT justify getting beaten so badly and brutally into a coma. WHY was he not held accountable? He almost murdered this man!
What is there to support about the public, the media and the courts justifying a horrendous beating and robbery after someone "starts a fight" with a racial slur?
Are you guys out of your minds?
An aggressor is someone taking an act of furtherance and presenting a threat of some kind.
You can not attack someone who was no threat regardless of what he may or may have not said to you.
What a backward slide we're taking as a society.
I'm not a cop but it's weird to read these comments from cops saying this victim somehow got what he deserved in any way.
Holder Takes Death Penalty off Table for Gang Members Charged with Killing Cop
On November 14, federal prosecutors made it clear that Attorney General Eric Holder has "taken the death penalty off the table" for four men charged in the gang-related murder of Waynesboro, Virginia, police officer, Captain Kevin Quick.
The Daily Progress reports that 45-year-old Quick was reported missing on February 1. His body was found days later. Siblings Daniel Mathis, Shantai Shelton, and Mersadies Shelton have been charged in the death. A fourth person, Kweli Uhuru, has also been charged. All four men "belong to the Bloods gang set 99 Goon Syndikate," and their trial begins on May 4.
Prosecutor Timothy J. Heaphy says Holder is responsible for making the call on death penalty cases. He said, "[The AG] reviews each potential death penalty case at his kitchen table, often late at night. I have known [Holder] for years and continue to have great confidence in him and his judgment."
Halisi Uhuru and Anthony Stokes have also been charged in connection with Quick's death.
While in district court on November 14, Halisi--who is the gang's "Double Original Gangster"--complained that the treatment he has received at the Western Virginia Regional Jail is a "violation of [his] due process rights."
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This Sgt is whats wrong with this department. Meritorious promotions have absolutely destroyed this great department. This is just one more thing that Dick Daley screwed up, thanks Dick! Just weeks before this Sgt was meritoriously promoted he still did not know what probable cause was but he drank the kool aide that Kulbida and Leo served up. He was willing to sacrifice his job and freedom to make the bosses happy. Trust me you will be reading about this again and it won't be good. G-d help anyone who works for him.
11/15/2014 09:08:00 PM
So you think that promotions were legit in some days gone by CPD? How far you want to go back in time? 70's, 60's, 50's, or maybe the 20's? I got some bad news for you. A portion of promotions on this job have NEVER been legitimate. The further you go back in history, the worse it was. There's way bigger factors destroying this department than some dumb, undeserving, unqualified bosses. We've always had those.
SO if civilian calls an officer a racial slur they should be beat down!
I don't know how many times mentals have told me to take off my badge and gun and i would receive a beating.
Anyone taking an officers gun now can say they were fearful of being shot?
Replace officer with states attorney and think how the courts would react.
We aint wrestlers and don't pull your piec if you aint gonna fire it!
And if you can't handle miller light stay home.
The unwritten code for the ASA is to blow everything off. It always was. In the old days the dicks approved all felonies and the first time you saw a Assistant States Attorney was in Br 44 at 26th St. at which time you handed him a copy of the case reports 101s and reducers AKA misdemeanor charges which were then put into affect 90% of the time.
Br 44-2 was always packed with the real police who were sitting in court for hour for hour, no time and a half and very often you had to go to 11th and State to pick up evidence and then drive to 26th St. on your own time
Anonymous said...
Sorry... And it will be very unpopular considering I'm a copper myself, but the coppers bit off a little more than they could chew. Off duty, or in this case, they were technically ON DUTY at corp council but released hours before and went "to a long lunch" at a local establishment and had enough courage to say stupid stuff to a group of guys who whooped them. Guns and stars don't turn us into super heroes guys.. We are not automatically tougher than everyone else.. Don't make stupid comments if u can't back it up. How about this, don't make stupid comments at all... It's the typical I'm a cop tuff guy stuff and can talk to anybody anyway I want. I see it everyday on the street. Sorry guys, u screwed up big time and NO chances would ever buy a ticket to a benefit for u morons
11/15/2014 10:40:00 AM
How about this, maybe we don't know what actually happened.
More armchair quarterbacking at it's finest.
Anonymous 11/15/2014 20:00AM said: Voltaire said, "To learn who rules over you find out who it is you are not allowed to criticize"....Who was behind the formation of the NAACP?"
It wasn't blacks.
You ever wonder why Nobody is ever demoted?
Cmon you can't tell me this person will take the LT test too!
All those pretty orders they have to study for Notifications, Use of force, and reports. What is the drawback he still has a job stick him in ERPs moving boxes the rest of his career.
Just demote... Before somebody gets hurts!
And yes i do know.
Hell...I do that all the time when bored,, I call out racial slurs when I'm out numbered..... and when I'm really bored I try and find a young minority and then just start shooting for the hell of it....geez I sleep better specially when the kid kid surrenders putting his hands up.....
Give me a break folks... the true racists want this to go on, long after its over.
So you think that promotions were legit in some days gone by CPD? How far you want to go back in time? 70's, 60's, 50's, or maybe the 20's? I got some bad news for you. A portion of promotions on this job have NEVER been legitimate. The further you go back in history, the worse it was. There's way bigger factors destroying this department than some dumb, undeserving, unqualified bosses. We've always had those.
11/16/2014 07:41:00 AM
so what is it then?
So you think that promotions were legit in some days gone by CPD? How far you want to go back in time? 70's, 60's, 50's, or maybe the 20's? I got some bad news for you. A portion of promotions on this job have NEVER been legitimate. The further you go back in history, the worse it was. There's way bigger factors destroying this department than some dumb, undeserving, unqualified bosses. We've always had those.
11/16/2014 07:41:00 AM
I agree with the above, most promotions were bought well into the 1980's.
I ain't from around here, but where I AM from a "comment" does not a fight start. A comment, racist or otherwise, doesn't start a fight. A group of miscreants with no home training beating one man ain't a fight either. It's a crime. The Sergeant didn't say "I'm a Chicago Police Sergeant" then start dropping politically incorrect words. So, until he whipped out a gun, while getting his ass beaten, he was just Joe Citizen. They thought they were beating down "a white dude". They have the usefulness of pond scum. And may the sergeant get up and running again soon and the other officers have long and decorated careers.
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