Where's the Weed Money?
- Chicago's most powerful aldermen want to know why a two-year-old ordinance that empowered Chicago Police officers to issue tickets for small amounts of marijuana has been a bit of a bust.
At Wednesday's City Council meeting, Police Committee Chairman Anthony Beale (9th), Finance Committee Chairman Edward Burke (14th) and Zoning Committee Chairman Danny Solis (25th) demanded City Council hearings into the disappointing results.
"While the Police Department has clearly made great strides in implementing this law by logging fewer arrests for low levels of cannabis possession, I believe the City Council deserves to see all of the statistics firsthand and determine if we have successfully undertaken what the legislation intended, " Burke was quoted as saying in a news release.
Solis championed the ordinance in hopes it would put police officers on the street for thousands of additional hours to fight more serious crime. He was also hoping to avoid saddling black and Hispanic young people with arrest records that would haunt them for the rest of their lives.
On Wednesday, the alderman acknowledged that the results have been slower than he expected.
Someone want to run through the entire process again for slower members of the City Council and the media? Here's a clue:
- It saves no time and there is seldom any court time involved.
Wait? What? A street stop, weed test, ANOV issued, test kit inventoried don't save time over a simple weed arrest? No, not really. With the miracle of computers and copy/paste, you can process multiple weed arrests faster and manage to get a court date out of it. In any event, we hear complaints constantly about "no test kits available" for the watches because the Tactical Teams took them all and locked them in the office because ::surprise:: they're under orders to produce weed arrests to make CompStat look good. Quota based policing to keep a spot - illegal, but winked at.
Hold on - coppers make arrests to go to court? Um, duh? Is anyone here old enough to remember Sound Impounds and the four separate court calls at 11th and State? That room was packed. Hundreds of cases a week, literally. Then the city went and put it on a key and suddenly, a lot less sound impounds. Talk about killing the golden goose.
Of course, in those cases, the city had a hammer to hold over the offender - they had their wheels, an actual asset to auction off if no payment was forthcoming. What do you have in a weed case? Half a blunt? Keep it, they'll grow more. No incentive, other than a Tact spot and nowadays, Tact is too often CompStat's bitch - get Cards, get ANOV's get weed tickets, and while you're at it, go to this detail - your day off is canceled. That's policing in the 2000's.
Hold on - coppers make arrests to go to court? Um, duh? Is anyone here old enough to remember Sound Impounds and the four separate court calls at 11th and State? That room was packed. Hundreds of cases a week, literally. Then the city went and put it on a key and suddenly, a lot less sound impounds. Talk about killing the golden goose.
Of course, in those cases, the city had a hammer to hold over the offender - they had their wheels, an actual asset to auction off if no payment was forthcoming. What do you have in a weed case? Half a blunt? Keep it, they'll grow more. No incentive, other than a Tact spot and nowadays, Tact is too often CompStat's bitch - get Cards, get ANOV's get weed tickets, and while you're at it, go to this detail - your day off is canceled. That's policing in the 2000's.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
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"Tact is too often CompStat's bitch - get Cards, get ANOV's get week tickets, and while you're at it, go to this detail - your day off is canceled"
Definitely sounds like the 10th district. But don't worry boys, you're the real police.
Same thing with contact cards people asked at the 1st district if there were any cc, there responds was whats that we haven't had or seen any of those in months!!! But when you want to hand in activity the 1st thing they want is copies of cc go figure..
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Ahhh, the wisdom of politicians is amazing.
OT: Reliable HQ source says the failed squad police pilot program has been renewed for 2015, but with some changes. 024 is merging with 020 and they are going to the ten hour day squad police pilot program. And, Dept. will test body cameras on one of these squads!
Couldn't have said it better myself. All the city is concerned about are those "fucken police".
They make too much money at court overlooking how many vehicles were being impounded.
And ur right now they don't even get a third of what was done back in the day.
Fucken idiots!
I can't believe that they thought it would be a money maker. Reduce b.s. weed arrests,, sure, but generate cash ?
I know most of the city council members have never run a business and reading the above I doubt that many have ever held a real job.
How to vector an employee's energy through motivational policy is not their strong suit.
Heh!
Silly politicians, supervisors and reporters!
XD XD XD
Why doesn't someone make a list of how much revenue coppers generated for the city from say 1985-1999 vs. 2000- 2014 then wrap it up and do the Rahm al-Ghoul weekend document dump along with he REAL reasons why said revenue generation fell irretrievably into the toilet of political fuckery?
"We're gonna cut you coppers out of the court and o/t money stream while expecting you to keep generating revenue/activity so we can hold the presence or lack of same over your heads to deny you time off and o/t opportunities and don't you DARE call it a quota!"
Heh...
"I wanna fuckin' to-from as to why you're not generating "enough" activity!"
Funny... They NEVER materially quantified what, in their whiskey sodden minds, IS "enough" activity.
Tell us what the magic number is?
>Screams of "INSUBORDINATION!" and other such idiocy for daring to ask such a loaded question<
Meh...
Just leagalize weed and get it over with. Tax and regulate the stuff.
Rahm we know you read this board. It could be a good source of revenue from tourists !?
Stop being prude stuck in the 1950s. Nobody ever overdosed on weed!
Sorry to burst your bubble but... You can barely get the computers in the station to turn on let alone copy and paste or do a report.
Any truth to the rumor that we are getting retro before Christmas?
I really enjoy inventorying (so?) a PIECE OF PAPER!!! Total waste of time
"He was also hoping to avoid saddling black and Hispanic young people with arrest records that would haunt them for the rest of their lives."
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And you do this by legalizing their criminal behavior? Why not they cease the criminal behavior? Stop using illegal substances? What's next, decriminalize murder so they won't be saddled having to sit in prison for the rest of their lives? And why not give white kids the same break? We still have to saddle them with arrest records?
Anonymous said...
I can't believe that they thought it would be a money maker. Reduce b.s. weed arrests,, sure, but generate cash ?
Generate cash by not paying u O.T. to go to branch court
Off Topic but the parents of the teen killed while attacking a police officer in Ferguson (this is what all headlines SHOULD say) flew to Geneva Switzerland to "testify" to the UN committee on torture. However, they were not testifying about how gang-infested neighborhoods terrorize the good citizens within and nearby, but about other stuff.
My question is: how did they fly there and who footed the bill? Was it paid for through their own hard-earned money, or were they sent there by other, invisible means?
Second: wasn't Michael Baden, the private "forensic pathologist" hired by the family to do the autopsy on the son, (who prior to his death had committed a strong-arm robbery on a store clerk), the same pathologist in the OJ Simpson case? why does a person hired by the subject of the autopsy get to testify before the grand jury? will he tell the grand jury of his bias?
And why is this grand jury taking so long?
Or are they trying the police officer in what amounts to be a secret court?
I remember sound impounds. The city would get something like $400 per impound. Out of that $400 the city had to pay the Officer something like $60. So the city got a total of $340. But the city got greedy and wanted to keep all the money and cut the Officer out. So the Officers said F it. Now the city gets $0, the same amount that they were paying the Officer. The city that works!
The city council, mayor, superintendent, CPD bosses, good citizens want real policing but don't want to pay for it.
Real police generate numbers if overtime is involved. Tact teams generate numbers if overtime is involved. Specialized units generate numbers if overtime is involved.
Detectives clear cases by arrest when overtime is involved.
Police are expensive with or without overtime. They are necessary.
The city counsel is an extension of the sitting Mayor's wishes.
If they actually thought for themselves they would propose real reform. Why 50 alderman? They rape the system worse then any city worker. They should all take drug and alcohol tests in a random fashion. The mayor should lead by example and volunteer to go first.
Police should work 20 years and out. Collect their pension and go do something else.
The city would save money by not having to pay over time at a higher rate. Probably enough to pay for our pensions without getting legalized dope or a casino.
Just saying
Off topic, but possibly of interest to some on the blog:
http://www.vice.com/read/why-does-a-campus-police-department-have-jurisdiction-over-65000-chicago-residents-1112
OT: Reliable HQ source says the failed squad police pilot program has been renewed for 2015, but with some changes. 024 is merging with 020 and they are going to the ten hour day squad police pilot program.
Ya,right. This rumor has been circulating long before Team Policing was thought of.
At one point in time 024 and 020 were going to merg because the powers that be said it was costing the city too much money to maintain the 024 station.
Never happened.
And of course, we have the great success story of the merging of 12 and 13. Considered a success by the city BUT now they have decided to open a satellite station, where you might ask? Well, in the old 13th district building of course!
Oh, and now that the dust has settled, how are things going in the new 019? So far that has all the makings of an arranged marriage. But give it time. All the coppers in the old 23rd will come to like the 19th district coppers. Much like when that relative comes for a visit and never leaves. And make sure and ask all the fine citizens in the old 19th district how they feel.
Any truth to the rumor that we are getting retro before Christmas?
Which year?
Any truth to the rumor that we are getting retro before Christmas?
11/13/2014 06:54:00 AM
You betcha! - Retro will come between the 16 & 24th of December
Now it is up to you to figure out why......
"Tact is too often CompStat's bitch - get Cards, get ANOV's get week tickets, and while you're at it, go to this detail - your day off is canceled"
Definitely sounds like the 10th district. But don't worry boys, you're the real police.
11/13/2014 12:31:00 AM
I haven't felt like the real police since she took over, but at least I can respect the fact that I know I haven't become a dog
They wanted it both ways. Decriminalization plus revenue, cutting out the cops court time. No dice! In Califo rnia, every piss bumb has a medical marijuana card. Police stop a pot smoker, he pulls his card, tells the cop to get fucked. That is coming here and that will be the end of it. Pot will be mainstream in five years. By the way, I bought 25g of pot at Arizona state university in 1969 for eight dollars with seeds. Today 25g of medical marijuana in Colorado or California can cost $500 to $600 with no seeds. So who is bullshitting who with this medical recreational marijuana bullshit?
They should ask us our opinion next time. Wait for it.........
2.31am,,,,bullshit on the merger, Pat O'Connor won't allow after seeing the complaints about the lack of police in the old 019 and old 013
It seems to me that the powers that be do not want officers to keep the order and serve the law. The powers want the CPD to do their minion work.
I say fuck the powers. You guys and gals in blue do be safe and G_d Bless.
Any truth to the rumor that we are getting retro before Christmas?
11/13/2014 06:54:00 AM
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No, first week of January. 100 percent will not come before Christmas
That rumor was started by dean as he lied to you about many issues regarding the contract. City will sit on that money till the last day they are mandated to pay us. It is the same way each retro check. Maybe Dean can give you a loan for your Christmas shopping seeing he alone guaranteed we would have retro before Christmas.
Anonymous said...
Any truth to the rumor that we are getting retro before Christmas?
11/13/2014 06:54:00 AM
Yes and i have land in florida on water 4 u.
"Any truth to the rumor that we are getting retro before Christmas?"
Santa says no.
Fuck TAXING weed if they legalize it. Normal tax. Aren't we taxed enough? You cry for more taxes that will NOT go to our pensions. Moron.
Why all the hatin on tac. Make some arrests and maybe you can get a spot too. It's not rocket science.
Definitely sounds like the 10th district. But don't worry boys, you're the real police.
11/13/2014 12:31:00 AM
Ah, the 010th district, where veteran tac officers were shit on and replaced with 2 year wonders who only do it so they don't have to work midnights!
Just read that part of the proposal rham sent to the legislature is to make any pcs under a gram a misdemeanor.
Drug laws have gone unenforced in the city for decades. Weak SAO.
Why would the trend change?
And even when cases move through to conviction, who actually pays fines?
I must have forgot to do that just like RAHM forgot to count my overtime on the 1st year of last contract.
Treat officers like pissboys you will end up with shit!
OT
3 Illinois Police Officers Sue, Claim Arrest Quotas
Thursday, Nov 13, 2014 • Updated at 10:49 AM CST
Three patrol officers are suing the Normal Police Department, saying the central Illinois town improperly disciplined them for failing to meet arrest quotas.
The Pantagraph in Bloomington reports the officers filed the lawsuit in McLean County Circuit Court. They say they were disciplined for not meeting a minimum number of arrests per month for traffic, criminal and ordinance violations.
Normal Police Chief Rick Bleichner and Normal City Manager Mark Peterson declined comment Wednesday. They said they haven't seen the lawsuit.
Earlier this year the police chief said the department has performance standards but it doesn't have quotas.
The officers are asking for an injunction to end the town's policy on arrest minimums.
Source: http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/3-Illinois-Police-Officers-Sue-Claim-Arrest-Quotas-282577111.html#ixzz3IzBgJYCS
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Source: http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/3-Illinois-Police-Officers-Sue-Claim-Arrest-Quotas-282577111.html#ixzz3IzBUh5mL
Any truth to the rumor that we are getting retro before Christmas?
11/13/2014 06:54:00 AM
My retro was deposited this afternoon, check your account.
Where are they supposed to find money to pay?
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It also found that one in three Chicagoans has less than $250 in their bank account before payday and they're not consistently adding to any savings.
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http://www.myfoxchicago.com/story/27375552/1-in-3-chicagoans-living-paycheck-to-paycheck
Alderman solis former police / fire committee throwing the race card. Shame.
Sorry to bust your bubble butt.....you can barely get me off my couch let alone outside to shovel the snow,I'm pasted to my lounge chair and fully retired and don't give a #U€K
one more class of EVIDENCE TECHS off old list before new test is graded in 6 months?
11/13/2014 09:36:00 AM
And why the heck is that district allowing them to do this? I know they carry City Parker books...but there is no reason they should be doing traffic stops off campus property.
Heck...only reason I want to see a College Barney Fife is if Im on campus.
hey the jury is coming back with a verdict right now
Retro before xmas? Was that what you were promised Dean for giving up soon much? Still wondering what us active PO's got for furlough by watch.
http://www.ibtimes.com/chicago-mayor-rahm-emanuel-accepted-campaign-contributions-financial-firms-managing-1723396
Executives at investment firms that manage Chicago pension funds have since 2011 poured more than $600,000 in contributions into Mayor Rahm Emanuel's campaign operation and political action committees (PACs) that support him, according to documents reviewed by International Business Times. These contributions appear to flout federal rules banning companies that manage pension funds from financing the campaigns of officials with authority over pension systems, say legal experts.
024 and 020 will never merge. You would never see a car north of touhy. Period. Not with the back up coming from lincoln and catalpa. Lets be honest. Do you think people in the 20 sector of 024 are going to wait 20 minutes for response to in progress call, on a day to day basis?
Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel Accepted Campaign Contributions From Financial Firms Managing City Pension Money
http://www.ibtimes.com/chicago-mayor-rahm-emanuel-accepted-campaign-contributions-financial-firms-managing-1723396
Give the police dept nothing. If they ask for contact cards movers or anovs to a to from. Cooter said
Anonymous said...
Same thing with contact cards people asked at the 1st district if there were any cc, there responds was whats that we haven't had or seen any of those in months!!! But when you want to hand in activity the 1st thing they want is copies of cc go figure..
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11/13/2014 12:35:00 AM
Contact cards are automated.
"There is no crime before overtime"
One of your famous CPD detectives (Carroll ? )who taught a death investigation class in 90s to me. I never forgot that quote and followed that rule during my career.
Thank YOU sir!
Catholic Cardinal Elect Supich is for allowing Illegals amnesty
Keep tearing down the country and giving on Saturday or sunday Amen
Hope your American kids luv the country you'll leave them
"...the parents of the teen killed while attacking a police officer in Ferguson (this is what all headlines SHOULD say) flew to Geneva Switzerland to "testify" to the UN committee on torture.
"My question is: how did they fly there and who footed the bill?"
11/13/2014 08:35:00 AM
This bunch --
"The US Human Rights Network is a national network of organizations and individuals working to build and strengthen a people-centered human rights movement in the United States..."
http://www.ushrnetwork.org/
Remember -- "No 300-pound robber diving into a squad car to grab an officer's gun is illegal."
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Oh come on... just LEGALIZE IT... Make it available at EVERY liquor store. Over 18 only. Same deal as drinking: "No driving. Don't drink in public. Don't operate heavy machinery. Try not to be a dumb ass."
LIGHT Sales Tax -- create a "weed" tax of 4%.
Volia! State and Shitty get their tax revenue. Cops can focus on assholes that are engaging in violent crime.
Takes the profit motive out of the gangs.
Price goes down, taxes are light. No more need to give Pookie ya'll Link card for some bud since you can go to Binny's and pick up a pack of blunts...
Let's move on already... Stop pretending that we're ever going to win this halfassed war on some drugs.
He was also hoping to avoid saddling black and Hispanic young people with arrest records that would haunt them for the rest of their lives.
OMG, be held accountable for your actions?!
CPFCU wii give you an advance on your retro at 37 percent.
SCC betweeenthi this and Rahm's EboLIES it is all just a g_d d_man shame. Someone needs to clean up this city and FAST. God bless.
Why all the hatin on tac. Make some arrests and maybe you can get a spot too. It's not rocket science.
11/13/2014 01:54:00 PM
Whose hating? I love you, just like I love the DUI, & 3 books of Parkers a nite guys. Someone has to feed the Kraken. Sure as fuck ain't going to be me.
Run, wear lucky jeans, make pinches.
If you're in trouble, I'm on the way. Barring that, my time is over.
And you do this by legalizing their criminal behavior? Why not they cease the criminal behavior? Stop using illegal substances? What's next, decriminalize murder so they won't be saddled having to sit in prison for the rest of their lives? And why not give white kids the same break? We still have to saddle them with arrest records?
11/13/2014 07:41:00 AM
I think you're missing the idea of their argument which has nothing to do with agreeing with it or not. It's not that we hook up black people for crimes they commit. Their concern is that we are more likely to send white people on their way and tell 'em get lost for the same offense...while black people and Hispanics more frequently get charged. I'm in the burbs, a mostly black burb. Do I see people get stopped for being black? Negative. But in all the cases I've seen of people being overcharged, getting unnecessary impounds, weak cases that should not have ended in arrests...honestly it is almost always black guys and I'm not talking about low lifes. White guys seem to more frequently be "understood" or "not a bad guy" while black guys get more of a zero tolerance approach..that has several times ended up an officer error. Then of course they hate the officer and think he's a racist and while he's not, I see why they think that.
OT: Reliable HQ source says the failed squad police pilot program has been renewed for 2015, but with some changes. 024 is merging with 020 and they are going to the ten hour day squad police pilot program. And, Dept. will test body cameras on one of these squads
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You are full of shit. HQ knows shit ! all comes from the hall.
No more merge of districts. Also, 013 and old 019 is coming back in 2015.
Rahm said he was blind sided by the drunk and allowing these closings.
Elections are over and RAHM wants to win the seat again he holds in 2015. The drunk is making plans to get out of the city right now.
So, Mr. full of shit, this comes from the 5 th floor, not some clerk in records that told you bs info.
Why do so many of us get caught up in this decriminalization front? Do you really NOT realize this has nothing to do with blacks and browns in jail and blah, blah, blah? This is about keeping the daily population as low as possible so operating expenses are the same. The feds forced the county to hire COs because they are so understaffed. The more inmates, the more staffing costs and the more overhead. The end. Early release programs, home monitoring, boot camp...HAVE COST SAVING OBJECTIVES by decreasing the time the county/state feeds and houses you.
I love locking up a dumb ass who says, "Can't you just write me a ticket for this?"
No, come with me, and I'll write some #'s on your hand for your professional modeling career.
A lazy pot head deserves a few hours of inconvenience to rid him of his "In Colorado everything is legal" attitude. Oh well, a few hours of them not getting high in lock up, I feel oh so bad for them.
Retro WILL come right before Christmas as a gift from Rahm who will then hope he has fostered your support in re-election come Feb. Take the money and run but make sure you never vote for that guy.
Anonymous said...
2.31am,,,,bullshit on the merger, Pat O'Connor won't allow after seeing the complaints about the lack of police in the old 019 and old 013
11/13/2014 11:28:00 AM
O'Connor will do what the mayor tells him to do.
Why can't the department just tell it like it is.
It takes just as long, probably longer, to ANOV them for pot as it does to arrest them. That coupled with the picture ID requirement for ANOV explains why the program never produced the results the uninformed politicians were expecting.
They need to stop making it a racial thing because it's not.
Catholic Cardinal Elect Supich is for allowing Illegals amnesty
He needs followers more than the Dems do
It what world is it faster to process a weed arrest than a cannabis ANOV? You're doing it wrong.
The city got greedy and cut the P.O. outta the equation.
For me, back in the day, it was 1 sound impound a tour. Between my partner and I we were at 11th & State all the time.
THEN, the city decided to cut me out of my 3 hrs. SOUND IMPOUNDS stopped immediately.
Retro before xmas? Was that what you were promised Dean for giving up soon much? Still wondering what us active PO's got for furlough by watch.
11/13/2014 05:50:00 PM
That's what I'd like to know too.
The city really wanted Furlo by watch so if you're FOP and you're going to let the city have that then through give and take negotiations you acquire something in return.
What the Hell did we get for giving the city furlo by watch?
Dean what do you have to say?
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