Percentages Matter
Some people are in the comment section advocating for certain judges who have a good history with the police. That's fine, more power to them. But we also heard some people saying that they only vote for those judges and skip the rest of the voting since they don't know anything about them.
Bad idea if you want to make a change.
Judges are retained by a percentage of the ballots cast in their favor - 60%. So if you vote for a judge, they love that. If you skip a judge race, they love that even more because they don't have to overcome the negative vote. Look at it this way:
Bad idea if you want to make a change.
Judges are retained by a percentage of the ballots cast in their favor - 60%. So if you vote for a judge, they love that. If you skip a judge race, they love that even more because they don't have to overcome the negative vote. Look at it this way:
- 10 voters - 5 vote YES and 5 skip the race. The judge is retained with 100% of the vote;
- 10 voters - 6 vote YES and 4 vote NO. Judge is retained with 60% of the vote;
- 10 voters - 5 vote YES and 5 vote NO. Judge loses spot with 50%. In this scenario, the judge has to dig up 3 additional YES votes to get back to 60%.
One additional negative vote between scenarios 2 and 3 drops the judge 10 points. Now expand that across hundreds of votes and you see why judges hate the NO vote.
Labels: elections
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
44 Comments:
#200 Thomas E. Hoffman
Ex-CPD: Vote to retain for Appellate Court.
Anyone know if there is a list out of judge's who don't fancy the police, if so, where can I find it?
Hmmm, good point. Never looked at it this way. Either way, not "stumping" for anyone per say, but I think all coppers should have a good enough head on their shoulders to NOT vote in Anita Rivkin-Corruthers. She is the GD lawyer and represented the killer or P.O. Doffyn. If you can, you should vote in James Ohara. Is great to the police and takes care of us whenever we need anything.
Voted No for every one. It's called term limits.
I voted already, and I did vote YES for the judges that I know and like, and voted NO for the others. Even if I don't know them, I vote NO because I don't like a system where there is no competition for the office.
Other states have aspiring judges run against others interested in the position -- here, once they are nominated by the Democratic Party, nothing short of mental illness -- as in the Cynthia Brim case -- gets them off the gravy train.
Ironically, the associate judges, whose terms are 4 years, do have to face competition when their terms are over. They are selected by the regular judges, who have the option that regular voters do not have -- they can choose a better candidate if any of the associate judges don't handle the job well.
Now Retired asks...
Are there any Judges that should be retained?
Any that should be targeted to be dumped like Pasarella, how long ago was that?
Stay Safe. Show up and VOTE. If COPS don't vote it means that those unproductive "citizens" who vote for a living will be taken care of and we won't.
I will vote no for every judge, no matter what!
They are like roaches, once they get in it is hard to get them out!
I've voted NO for every judge for last 10 years. People need to wake up, and this will be the only way we get fresh judges at the bench. Its common sense. Just Vote NO for all judges. Do not just skip them. They get huge pensions for a few years of service, is it really necessary they keep their Bench for 40 years when most are truly incompetent? Do they think they are the Royal Monarchy, where they remain forever? Give them a reality check! VOTE NO, for ALL of them. It's the easiest thing in the world to do.
In the aftermath of Operation Greylord, widespread negative public reaction cast many judges off the bench, including a few good ones. The political hacks and clout heavy incompetants were quietly reappointed as associate judges until the heat died down.
I just vote "NO" on all of them. If you don't vote on them, it's an automatic "YES" vote for them.
Vote NO on ALL Crook County Judges.
It comes to light that the Wife of the NYC Mayor sits in on all CompStat meetings and gives policy advice to the NYPD. Also the Rev. Al Sharpton is an advisor to the Mayor and Department on police policy. Maybe the CPD could benefit from the advice of the Mayor's wife and Rev. J. Jackson. It seems to work for NYPD.
It's been years since any judge has not been retained. Make this year the exception.
I vote NO on all judges unless I have been before them and they were fair.
Why the hell would you vote yes for some one you know nothing about??
Get rid of Habercorn from Skokie. Anti-Police, PERIOD.
good info SCC
lets hope we can knock some do nothing judges out, and make them get real jobs
Reality is even with a "no" retention the chief judge will retain them as an associate judge...so really it DOESNT matter.
Anonymous said...
Now Retired asks...
Are there any Judges that should be retained?
Any that should be targeted to be dumped like Pasarella, how long ago was that?
Stay Safe. Show up and VOTE. If COPS don't vote it means that those unproductive "citizens" who vote for a living will be taken care of and we won't.
11/02/2014 02:49:00 AM
Judge Lawrence A. Passarella, 1986, 28 years ago, PO was Cathy Touhy. Asshole was Michael Collela. Mike Royko wrote an article about how the FOP was mobilizing against that asshole judge. I was in the academy at the time. Every recruit was informed of the judges name and I trust most of us voted to not retain.
For many years now I have always voted NO on ALL judge retention ballots, even on those that I know.
It send at least a message to them and on a few occasions actually works.
Please take the time to vote no. If you skip it only helps them.
Here's why you should ALWAYS vote "NO" on ALL judicial retention ballots:
Invariably, all judges on retention ballots are retained. This is because the low-information voter has no clue as to which judges are good or bad. Their default vote is a “YES” because they don’t want to upset the status quo and they don’t like change. They have no contact with the justice system, so in their minds a “Yes” vote keeps the big machine running. And if they’ve had no first-hand experience with robed political hacks who preside in Illinois courts they’ll be none the wiser and do their part in keeping the bad system chugging along.
The high-information voters in judicial retention votes are the coppers, lawyers and informed civilians who have to deal with the court system and know how truly bad it is. They amount to only a small group, however, and even if all of them vote “NO” against a judge, it won’t be enough to offset the stupid vote. Thus, bad judge might only score in the low 60s on a retention vote, but that’s enough to keep them on the bench (60%).
The goal, then, should be for enough voters to vote “NO” in order to push all the retention votes down to where the small group of informed voters become significant and have the power to tip a vote. Ideally, enough low-information voters would vote “NO” and push all retention votes into the low 60% level. At that point, the high-information vote “NO” would kick in and tip the vote below retention level and boot the judge…..who would then have to go out and earn a living like non-clouted lawyers.
Illinois judges are the second highest paid in the nation – even higher than NY. Many are in robes because of their political connections, not because they are smart, productive or honest. Many are incompetent and have little experience – they have no business being on the bench.
Many voters – even smart ones – become low-information voters when it comes to judicial retention ballots. How could we possibly know about all of these judges? Most people will follow the newspaper’s recommendations, which are often wrong. Even when the Tribune has actively recommended voting “NO” against a handful of really bad Cook Co judges, these judges have always gather more than 60% and stayed on the bench.
If you’ve ever been treated like dirt in Illinois courts, this is your one chance to voice your opinion.
So this election, do your part and vote “NO” on ALL retention ballots. The high-information voters will take it from there.
Let your money do your talking. Boycott all Coca-cola products. They put Shortshanks on their board of directors and are paying him $6,000,000 per year. Why support the corporation that supports the crook that underfunded our pensions? Thank you SCC.
---Mike the cityworker
I always vote NO to retain any judge!
Sandra Ramos huge gangbanger lawyer and hates the police. She's called coppers out and told they are liars at traffic out. She's a piece of garbage. Also judge probes she's a complete moron. Who I would vote or is Thomas gainer and judge Jim Ryan hes good to the police. His whole family is CPd and county people.
Lotso
What they don't tell you is that if a judge is not retained, that leaves an opening for a judge. To fill that opening they simply appoint that judge to fill that opening. If they have clout you can't get rid of them. You can't get rid of a judge in cook county.
SCC very well written article and very informative thank you.
Sadly I voted already straight Republican except for Rep Mike Mcauliff who hurt all police families on the pension n health insurance legislation. I urge all LEOs,teachers and firemen to do the same. There a remote Reps who need to be call ed out.
VOTED NO ON ALL JUDGES.
I always vote no for every last single judge in every election...
Vote no on all judges unless you know them. Problem solved.
I vote yes for the judges I know or someone else told be about who's opinion I respect. Then I vote NO for everyone else on the ballot.
I voted no to all judges.
Sorry, this is a little off topic, but what do you make of this?
http://pjmedia.com/blog/gunwalker-explodes-into-the-heartland/2/
Haberkorn was anti police as an Assistant States Attorney!
She is the niece of old "Blue Throat" former Commander John Haberkorn. He hated the police too!
Oh My God! said...
What they don't tell you is that if a judge is not retained, that leaves an opening for a judge. To fill that opening they simply appoint that judge to fill that opening. If they have clout you can't get rid of them. You can't get rid of a judge in cook county.
11/02/2014 12:09:00 PM
Some people have been screaming for appointed judges so it will be "fair" I remember when judges were appointed. It sure was fair with the asshole politicians "appointing" the most "qualified"
So now what, we are supposed to go back to "merit" appointing of judges? Because it has worked so well for police bosses.
No matter what, it will be fixed, the whole system is crooked, they will rig the results to suit those with clout, you can count on that.
Anonymous said...
Let your money do your talking. Boycott all Coca-cola products. They put Shortshanks on their board of directors and are paying him $6,000,000 per year. Why support the corporation that supports the crook that underfunded our pensions? Thank you SCC.
---Mike the cityworker
11/02/2014 09:07:00 AM
I was reading that Coca Cola Company wants to throw Daley off the board because he doesn't show up for board meetings. He figures it is like a typical no-show City job and goes on vacation instead. He needs to get Judge Moishie Jacobious to write him a sick note or something.
Voting no for every damn one of them
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Let your money do your talking. Boycott all Coca-cola products. They put Shortshanks on their board of directors and are paying him $6,000,000 per year. Why support the corporation that supports the crook that underfunded our pensions? Thank you SCC.
---Mike the cityworker
11/02/2014 09:07:00 AM
I was reading that Coca Cola Company wants to throw Daley off the board because he doesn't show up for board meetings. He figures it is like a typical no-show City job and goes on vacation instead. He needs to get Judge Moishie Jacobious to write him a sick note or something.
11/02/2014 08:36:00 PM
They pay him WHAT!!??
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Let your money do your talking. Boycott all Coca-cola products. They put Shortshanks on their board of directors and are paying him $6,000,000 per year. Why support the corporation that supports the crook that underfunded our pensions? Thank you SCC.
---Mike the cityworker
This guys an idiot, throwing numbers like that around
Daley made $178,000 in 2012
"NO" vote for margarita kulys hoffman, anti-police.
"I was reading that Coca Cola Company wants to throw Daley off the board because he doesn't show up for board meetings. He figures it is like a typical no-show City job and goes on vacation instead. He needs to get Judge Moishie Jacobious to write him a sick note or something."
Hey They picked him, if he gets launched perhaps he'll sue & collect another 6 million.
Fuck Corporate America!
keep
Wadas
Walowski
Lacy
Byrne
Karnezis
Brosnahan
Gordon-Cannon
Demacopolus
good bye to all else
OT . . .
"Are there any Judges that should be retained?
Any that should be targeted to be dumped like Pasarella, how long ago was that?"
"Judge Lawrence A. Passarella, 1986, 28 years ago, PO was Cathy Touhy. Asshole was Michael Collela. Mike Royko wrote an article about how the FOP was mobilizing against that asshole judge. I was in the academy at the time. Every recruit was informed of the judges name and I trust most of us voted to not retain."
The CPD became powerful when we voted out sitting Judge Passarelli in the mid 1980's when he released the offender who broke the face, in several places, of PO Cathy Touhy. I remember the Judge saying, words to the effect of, "It is part of a police officer's job, to be beat up every once in a while" when he released the offender. It was the first (sadly last) citywide support of an issue. We voted out a judge! What else could we do? The powers in charge took notice for a short time. But, we became diverse again, not able to agree on a lunch time or location, unable to control our own fate.
Oh, what could have happened! Voting out an alderman . . . voting in a mayor!
"We have met the enemy, and he are us!"
4 Nov 14 is the LAST day to vote. Don't be a goof, vote for or against someone, but VOTE!
There were a lot of very good judges on the ballot.
I did vote against Anita R-C. I wonder if her supproters, the GDs, turned out in force to support her?
Old Retired Guy
Problem with voting for judges is the average person knows NOTHING about them.. ONLY those who spend their time in court do which leaves that ..criminals..lawyers..police..family members of the criminals.. While I no longer live in Chicago same problem goes in other counties.. here they send out a flier with a bio of the judges.. I don't care how many kids they have OR if they are married.. what I want to know is WHICH cases they heard..how they sentenced..Chicago has many more judges than we do but the same information would have helped me when I lived there and I am sure it would help voters now.. we had about 10 on our ballot and I only was able to gain ANY information on 2 of them.. one got a yes and the other a no on their performance..Maybe it's time judges had to cough up a few bucks and put out fliers with a few facts not fluff stuff so voters can be informed even IF they aren't criminals..
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