Stop Making Sense!
This popped up in a comment section regarding body cameras:
- Ok maybe a dumb question but how are they going to get around Illinois law on two party consent except for the traffic stop exemption????
Oh you silly reader - the legislature is already working on that!
- Legislation to fix the state’s unconstitutional eavesdropping law will head to Gov. Pat Quinn’s desk after winning approval in the Illinois Senate on Thursday.
If signed into law, it would replace the 1961 Illinois Eavesdropping Act, which had made it a felony to record a conversation unless everybody involved agreed. Earlier this year, the Illinois Supreme Court justices struck down that law, saying it infringed on free-speech rights, especially in an age where cellphone camera videos are a routine part of life.
Unless of course, this law doesn't cover the body camera question:
- During debate on the Senate floor, the bill’s prime sponsor, Sen. Kwame Raoul, D-Chicago, admitted statewide eavesdropping guidelines are still a work in progress, with additional issues to be addressed in the next legislative session. Lawmakers including Sen. Tim Bivins, R-Dixon, pointed out that the bill doesn’t address privacy issues raised by recordings made on cameras worn by police officers on their bodies.
Maybe the commentator has a point.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
46 Comments:
Those politicians are so clever.
Kwame Raoul is the voice of streetgangs in Springfield.
Nekritz is a leftist idiot.
This new legislation still keeps Illinois in the microscopically small number of states that still require two party consent. Illinois politicians -- Democrats in particular -- want to keep two party consent on the books so they can't be caught taking their bribes on mic.
These corrupt morons should've taken their cue from the courts and scrapped the eavesdropping law entirely. Instead, they repackaged it. Meet the new law....same as the old law.
The courts will eventually find this law unconstitutional too.
By amending a single sentence into the statute to exempt body cams?
There are some things that need to be sorted as far as policy but this is by no means a dealbreaker.
The person was correct to point it out, though, as it may create a technical conflict.
Can I leave it on for the entire tour, roll call - to - check-off?
While I'm in the bathroom?
When my boss is chewing my ass for not "getting the numbers?"
Oh. I can't wait for this.
Lawmakers including Sen. Tim Bivins, R-Dixon, pointed out that the bill doesn’t address privacy issues raised by recordings made on cameras worn by police officers on their bodies.
There IS NO PRIVACY.
Anything good is going straight to youtube, if I can help it!!!
A goofball MC announced at the CPMF event Wednesday night the McJersey is getting married New Year's Eve. He didn't seem pleased to have it made public. Guess he's sticking around for a while since her law practice is here.
Again, who gives a fuck?
Zero TRRs from me.
Let these fuckin people take a bite out of the shit sandwich when dude accosts them because he's not afraid of the po-po anymore.
The police have been completely de-balled because that's what the American voter has demanded.
The entire legislature is a work in progress....so is taking a nasty dump.
Hello Mr & Ms Citizen. Excuse me while I film the inside of your entire house as I interview you about the car break in, or your kid's curfew or your parking complaint! Holey Moley.
The Red Squad is back. They took photos too.
What about when you go into someone's residence and one party does not want to be recorded? Oh can we put these camera's on before role call so the public can see the truth about the bosses and quota's, I mean index's? Or how they belittle the beat officers for not bringing in numbers? Yeah for camera's!
Anonymous said...
A goofball MC announced at the CPMF event Wednesday night the McJersey is getting married New Year's Eve. He didn't seem pleased to have it made public. Guess he's sticking around for a while since her law practice is here.
12/05/2014 02:54:00 AM
Who cares?
That's one problem with the CPD.
Not enough people mind their own business.
I still love a great comment heard in roll call the other day. When body cameras are not working will we all have ticket numbers attached to us. Laughed my ass off. Is that your star number or your ticket number??? Lmfao
Can you imagine how much storage will be needed for all these great videos?
And the retention? How many years?
Car cameras don't work now!
Video in the interrogation room in the Area on the fritz.
Just recording all those car accidents when both driver lie will be priceless and when the civil suit request those videos would be costly.
You know those camera will be banned in any clouted building like city hall.
But as long as FOP think it is a great idea i will believe that cameras will save lives...
remember this age old greasy phrase?
"for training and quality assurance purposes....."
that's how the credit card companies record your calls to them regardless of your consent.
McJersey is getting married New Year's Eve.....guess his time due wont be denied or day off cancelled
We are fucked. Our job is never going to be the same because of a series of incidents. Ferguson, MO, New York chokehold, the Cleveland shooting of a 12 year old, etc... First body cameras and then we will have civilian review boards. We as police officers will be handcuffed from doing our jobs.
The problem with the cameras is that they will only be used against us. What the public doesn't understand is that in cook county cases are tossed via probable cause hearings or charges are downgraded even though there is overwhelming evidence that the offender is guilty. How many times have you heard the judge say "I find the officers testimony credible and believe the events did in fact occur, no probable cause". Or had an armed robbery turned into a robbery with other dangerous weapon. Having the incident on camera will not change that. But the instant a camera records us trying to place a 350 lb active resistor into custody they will go through the tape frame by frame to find a instance when we "were too aggressive" and say we violated our use of force policy and should be indicted. The offender will always turn into the victim and they will not have to accept any responsibility for committing a crime or resisting arrest.
A real point is that suppose someone doesn't want to have their interaction with the police recorded and then goes off on the police. Whats the ACLU gonna say then. It's no different than a situation where you get a call, they say I don't want a report and then turn around and say "the police didn't do nothin"
The easy part is Obama buying the body cams, with the worse part of the deal is for the CPD. Millions of dollars spent on archiving, cataloging and preserving these recordings. Then Thousands of man hours spent answering the FOIA requests for all of these videos. This was though out real good.
A goofball MC announced at the CPMF event Wednesday night the McJersey is getting married New Year's Eve. He didn't seem pleased to have it made public. Guess he's sticking around for a while since her law practice is here.
12/05/2014 02:54:00 AM
Doubt he will be making any kind of life for himself here, as he will be shit-canned by rahm right after the election
We are fucked. The media wants to play a certain narrative that "unarmed black men are being shot by police officers".
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/phoenix-police-kill-unarmed-black-man
Anytime this happens in our country now it is making news. The media wants to paint a certain picture and we as officers are fucked. Compare the use of deadly force by American officers and you will see that it is not that bad. Some people just want to provoke the police no matter what. Then they die and it is still our fault. We are fucked.
Nekritz is a leftist idiot....
Amen brother amen!
good questions.....when the police respond to a call, everything is captured on video and audio?...all of the people present, everything they say and do.....robberies, domestics, suicides, homicides, e.r. hospital interviews, etc., etc...privacy?
Policeone had a good article regarding the amount of ridiculous days even a small department of 50 creates. For a department of our size even a few months of recordings would the numbers would be insane. I think it was titled "why Obama body can innovative won't work"
This department is a joke when it comes to providing maintaining and supplying working equipment. Anyone who has been on the job for more than 5 minutes knows this. The pdts, pod cams, in-car cams-- need I say more? If and when they finally do provide us these body cameras, Officers will gladly be recording EVERYTHING, especially the roll calls, supervisory consultations, and special addresses from exempts. You can be sure these things will not function beyond the first two weeks of their issuance, however, there are many tech savvy officers who will be more than willing and able to find a way to save the data for future use. I foresee a competition for the most youtube hits.
A goofball MC announced at the CPMF event Wednesday night the McJersey is getting married New Year's Eve. He didn't seem pleased to have it made public. Guess he's sticking around for a while since her law practice is here.
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Guess time due isn't an issue for him!!!!!Nice, leadership by example.
This is an example of what exactly? Obamanation!
He reminds me of the PO that had Lasik surgery deliberately just before Christmas so that he would burn every one else. The kid had barley any time on.
What about the G.O. on First Amendment Investigations and the prohibitions on taking photos or video.
I love how all these "experts on policing" have decided that these body cameras have to be shoved down our throats to appease the protestors.
This is a classic example of the tail wagging the dog.
A goofball MC announced at the CPMF event Wednesday night the McJersey is getting married New Year's Eve. He didn't seem pleased to have it made public. Guess he's sticking around for a while since her law practice is here.
cheaper taxes for 2014
HEY!
Don't worry about the legal issue. We have Lisa Madigan, the highest law enforcement officer in the state.
Hell, just last week she did an expose' on excessive chromium in a Disney toy found in the Dollar Store.
You go girl!
Anonymous said...
McJersey is getting married New Year's Eve.....guess his time due wont be denied or day off cancelled
12/05/2014 08:23:00 AM
No worries...
He had his signed and approved slips submitted far enough in advance and he has made the proper and timely entries in the Time Due book so...
Plane tickets?
Check.
Venue reservations?
Check.
Bags packed?
Check.
Made a list and checked it twice?
Check.
Blushing bride at hand?
You bet your ass!
Odds that some front office lawn gnome
or half in the bag DSS is going to ring HIS
phone with some dumb shit about "We know
you had plans but the manpower numbers
magically changed so you can't have off and
by the way we put you on an early car to toss
you a bone?"
...Zero to no way in hell.
>Snicker!<
How many of you Blue Suits have done the following?
...Staring at the phone in disbelief?
>Very Pregnant Pause and Serious Deliberation Whether Or Not To Go On A Scalping Rampage<
Don't you worry.
G-Mac would NEVER be subjected to the same indignities you Blue Suits have to put up with.
Know a LOT of coppers forced to eat tickets and reservations because some rotten bosshole thought it would be fun to play a game of: "It's Your Turn To Get Fucked With, Office!"
Have a good time Gar...
Bring back some tee shirts or something.
We'll take a 3XL.
Thanx.
The two-party consent law is so that if you try to blow the whistle on connected corruption, it will be only you that goes to prison. What will they do without it??
New General Order - Hands up don't shoot
It is apparent that when responding to a disturbance or in progress call, and when other persons are present (citizens that would be able to prevent further damage if they were to get involved "without the police")
........and using "common sense" in following and being able to "articulate" the law and department policy in a balance that would remove as much of your liability as possible
..........if it means you have to put "hands on"....... Indicate by putting your hands up stating "hands up, don't shoot" shrugging your shoulders, and ask the other citizens to help you........... That way they can experience the hands on experience.....spreading the liability to them.
Isn't there a ILCS code that states that an officer can empower citizens to assist them?
This job keeps getting easier and easier.....
P.O. Valium1939
The answer is...stop doing police work.
Be a report writer, give the people what they want.
Checks still arrive on the 1st and 16th.
I still love a great comment heard in roll call the other day. When body cameras are not working will we all have ticket numbers attached to us. Laughed my ass off. Is that your star number or your ticket number??? Lmfao
What will really make me laugh is when the Exempt responsible for getting that stuff repaired receives a promotion.
Now that's real CPD humor.
Can I get an event number for the ticket number ???
The politicians want body cameras but sorry we are not in theory using body cameras to "hug" the criminals! We will not "hug" the criminals for the people! Why don't the mothers and fathers in practice "hug" them instead of using the forces outside of their family! It's called LACK OF PARENTING! It comes down to LIFE, LIMB, PROPERTY not another matters anymore!
"Compare the use of deadly force by American officers and you will see that it is not that bad. Some people just want to provoke the police no matter what."
US Police Officers kill more civilians than any other Police Service in all the Industrialized Nations in the World
So when your witness wants to chat with you and point the investigation in the right direction...it's not just between you and them. It's between them and whoever wants to view the tape, possibly putting the witness in jeopardy. Great idea!
The only practical reason our Illinois political class wants all party consent to record is to protect their own corrupt asses. They are afraid that someone would record their backroom deals and expose them for what they are. Most states get by with one party consent. If you and I are having a conversation and I record it, if I play the recording for someone else, you could have a civil action against me for violation of your privacy. But, in Illinois they want to make you a felon. Do you really thing Mike Madigan would like to make his deals of someone had a hidden recorder and would play it for the media?
I said same. When are we to record? This is gonna be fun.
I think because the cameras are out in the open that the expectation of privacy goes away. It's there, the person can see it, so if they talk it's on them. Maybe.
If it's video only, the eavesdropping law does not apply. No expectation of privacy as to video. As long as the camera is not hidden.
Having a camera would be sweet if it meant I didn't have to write a report for every little be.
Many drawbacks about these body cameras. But we all need to remember, we will all be recorded, for netter or worse, not just one person's word against another. It will be interesting to see what happens.
If it is true that police officers in the U.S. kill more people than any police officers in other industrialized nations, that may be because some offenders in incidents in this country listen to police less often than citizens in other countries. I love many things about the U.S., especially the freedoms and civiliberties we enjoy. Many countries do not have that. But citizens and offenders of crime in this country, are treated better than they would be treated in other countries. Many industrialized countries have stricter enforcement of laws than the U.D. does, and fewer rights for individuals. We are not perfect, but one has the right to protest, speak up, defend peoples rights here. Not true of many countries in the world.
remember this age old greasy phrase?
"for training and quality assurance purposes....."
that's how the credit card companies record your calls to them regardless of your consent.
That's because they usually aren't in the state you live in, and fall under federal jurisdiction, interstate commerce, and all that.
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