Morale Killers
In regard to the alleged upcoming promotional exam for lieutenant, you really have to shake your head at the process:
- announce an exam, register a few hundred, take their money;
- allow Bernstein and such to set up classes - take their money;
- don't say anything for a few months while a sizable percentage of people bid their watches/furloughs to optimize study opportunities;
- pull the rug out from under people, throwing plans into disarray by continuing not to announce a date
This Mickey Mouse operation truly is a wonder to behold.
Labels: promotions
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
129 Comments:
Third world. From governer on down to alderman. System will implode from within.
Also a lot of people talking about sgts being made.. Not true. According to the sgts association website they are only down 40 sgts. They city won't even think of making a class until sgts are down 150-200. The 2nd part of the test was over one year ago.. Jan 11th 2014 it he last part was given. After the last test results were given out the city made a class of 70 just a few months after. Because of such a long time the last list was up and the blitz of promotions off that list in the last two years the majority of sgts are young.. Under 20 years on the job. Don't expect many retirements at all in the near future.... Even in the 5-8 year window.. Sure guys will retire but in all of 2014 only 47 sgts retired. Don't hold your breath if you are anywhere on this list. I honestly don't see a class even being made this year... Such was the latest rumor i heard that no sgts made in 2015. Not being a troll. I'm already a Sgt so no bones to pick or trying to make people on the list nervous but I do feel bad for guys who scored between 100-400. You might get made but who knows when... Especially the guys in the last class 350s-390s area... It could easily be 8-11 years. Look on data warehouse and look at the seniority dates of our current sgts... There's only about 300 sgts with over 20 years... Most of those are between 20-24 years.. It's gonna be a while. I remember when sgts classes were 100-150 at a time... Sometimes twice a year..
When am I going to get my 2015 FOP book?
Why are some of you babbling that the FOP should step in and do something about this? The FOP does not represent sergeants and it's the sergeants that this impacts. And why would the sergeants union step in and do anything? It would only be denying its own members an opportunity.
if the guys running the CPD were running the Armed Forces in WWII we'd be speaking japanese now
How are the citizens supposed to trust the police, when the police do not trust the police?
I do absolutely nothing. Point made. EZ
What a bunch of shit this is! U really want me to go out and bust my ass for this SHAM of a department? Its fly under the radar time for now on. The bear ass minimum till this shit stops and I don't expect it to stop in my life time. As a wise old Copper form Grand X'ing told me almost 15 years ago
"Shiiiiiiiiiiit"
What does it matter anyway..they will just promote who they want. Like a certain f/2 on days in 12 who insisted on a van loaded with stolen mdse be removed from the Sally port so that new computers could be put in squads...the van with all the proceeds then gets stolen out of the 12th dist lot..where's station security on days..how about a cr on sgt for not guarding evidence..oh yeah she's going to blame it arresting officers
How bout that personnel officer give us a clue when they are going to promote some new sgts from new list?
The true fact of the matter is if you don't mind, it doesn't matter... if you want the position you will continue to take advantage of the extra time even if they allowed the newer sgt's to take it now. The old sgt's by now should have been studying for at least one year so they should be ahead of the game because most of the study groups and classes are already full and well in depth into the material. Honestly, now that's not fair everyone should have the equal amount of time to study. When you talk about promotions since they only come around every 7-10 years (ridiculous might I add) you want to give it your all and adding ppl at the last minute does not give them a chance to do that.
probably going to do the same with the ET test ....what a joke!
How about promoting some P/O's to Detective already for the love of God!!!
I lost my drive to do any Police work long ago! I just want to retire and move to someplace warm and put Chicago in the rearview mirror for good! Who gives a shit anymore!
Chicago is the most corrupt city in this country and it starts at City Hall! Rahm needs to go to the unemployment line!
Did you expect anything less from this department.
This Department is a joke..totally ass backwards with everything they do from exams to shoddy iad / ipra investigations.. It's a total joke. If people only knew how this place was run...they would never call. I have never seen a place that fires officers and then 80% of them are re hired!! And they money spent is outrageous for greviances instead if giving the officers what they are owed.. Back time or back pay..they fuck them around and the officers are forced to go to greviances or court to get what they are rightly owed!! What a joke!! Give these guys what's theirs and stop wasting their time and our money!! This place is a joke..glad I only have 8 more years of this shithole
Please, Mickey Mouse is a success, Garry isn't.
Being a LT only means the balls from your pants are put on your star and those are little balls.
There are several people that GMAC wants to give the Fred Waller treatment-make lieutenant then exempt the next period. All were made merit sgt the previous 2 classes. Yes, he's willing to f&ck over a few hundred sgts to take care of 4 friends. If your only question in your merit interview was "how do you know Rick Simon," you are one of the lucky few. Luxury skybox tickets from mobsters aren't given out without expectations.
make a class of EVIDENCE TECHS!we need a class now not 8 months from now!
Don't forget pension reform!
I just completed my probation and call bullshit. By this logic I should have been allowed to take the most recent Sgt exam. So on the next exam it will have to be open to any 9161 (recruits and PPO's) but I was not allowed to take the exam and now I have to wait for the next test and will have even more competition!
Doesn't he have anyone in his inner circle that has explained to him how as appropriately described in this SCC post that this absolutely kills morale! That is what happens when you surround yourself with yes men. Same reason why his driver who never took / passed part one of sgt is made merit sgt!!! Really - his driver????? And then has to be demoted!!! How embarrassing. Also I don't recall ever seeing this in the news. If a copper does anything on camera it's all over the news. This story was written for them and yet nobody ran it?
If this is true I need to cancel my family cruise right away or lose a portion of my deposit. They owe it to us to be upfront and address any rumors if this test is still on for March!
Target is hiring!
What does it matter anyway..they will just promote who they want. Like a certain f/2 on days in 12 who insisted on a van loaded with stolen mdse be removed from the Sally port so that new computers could be put in squads...the van with all the proceeds then gets stolen out of the 12th dist lot..where's station security on days..how about a cr on sgt for not guarding evidence..oh yeah she's going to blame it arresting officers
1/15/2015 02:04:00 AM
LOL !!! # 012 is joke, we have 4 and sometimes 5 POs working the Desk on 1st watch and not one does station security... Good Job Sgts and Lt.
Just take a look at the people who made lieutenant on the last list. I wish they would have told me before I took the test that none of it was legitimate. I wouldn't have wasted my time.
I'm already a Sgt so no bones to pick or trying to make people on the list nervous but I do feel bad for guys who scored between 100-400
The guy who scored no. 1 gets promoted 2016. No. 100 gets promoted 2018. No.200 promoted in 2021. No. 300 in 2023. No. 400 is taking next Sgt test in 2024. Remember if that pilot program in 005 for 10 hour days goes citywide there will be an immediate cut to Sgt and lieutenant manpower in the budget. If you are around 350 on the list that 10 hour day will stop you from getting promoted.
(OT) I just read mary mitchells sun-times column way to play the race card mary! Your a true racist! Your saying if the copper that shot bean bags at that 95 year old WW2 veteran was white there would be no indictment? Grand juries look at the facts not the race,and did you notice Mary there are no riots in the streets,are you saying if the roles were reversed the streets would be full of violent people burning down businesses and attacking police?
Another reason the sun times is losing customers people that write is such a slant that shows you are truly a racist! The reason the streets are not going up is because civilized people don't do such destruction you mary are not civilized,are you playing the race card because you know soon the sun-times will be eliminating and firing dead weight reporters such as yourself? Mary have you been given 2 weeks notice yet?
Lastly mary the bigger question is if the officer (race does not enter into this equation), was ordered to shoot the bean bag rounds by a superior officer and we cannot refuse a direct order why is that supervisor not charged,there you go mary not race but competency comes into play right mary?
I weep for the Sergeants.
Kinda like the scam where a prostitute tricks the JOHN into going into an abandoned building, The JOHN feel safe and than BOOM the pimp comes out and steal everything even your pants.
When life gives you lemons make lemonade. We still make a pretty good dollar. So let's take it down a notch. Still a great job. Nothings perfect in life. Relax boys and girls and as always stay safe.
As a recently promoted sgt. i would like to sit for the test so i can maybe take the Lt. job in 10 years if it comes around. It's more potential upward mobility for EVERYONE. including blue shirts that will fill my spot so in this case i agree with the Super.
Anonymous 29 and a day said...
if the guys running the CPD were running the Armed Forces in WWII we'd be speaking japanese now
1/15/2015 12:51:00 AM
When was it that the Germans invaded Pearl Harbor?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
When am I going to get my 2015 FOP book?
1/15/2015 12:41:00 AM
I called FOP to ask last week. They were all mailed out. They told me if I hadn't received it yet to come down there and pick one up, don't forget your correction pages with the sticky on the back. And then you can go downstairs to the gift shop and buy some new FOP stickers.
You didn't have this shit with Mike Shields! See, he was good for something.
Not controlled by McCarthy or department HR, but by city hall.
Jay, Pam, Dave, Robert J. Holley Chicago FBI Director and Joseph M. Ferguson, Inspector General. Was going to include the highest ranking law enforcement officers of both the United States and the State of Illinois but they proved over and over that they are completely indoctrinated pawns of the communist party and therefore would not even consider this challenge. You enjoy going after or exposing police officers who you believe have violated use of force guidelines or committed civil rights violations but why is it that any of you refuse to investigate the politicized process of promotion in the Chicago Police Department? Is it because you would be embarrassing the mayor or superintendent? Is it because you are bought and paid for by the officials or media owners of the most corrupt city in the entire United States? Is it because exposing such corruption would negatively affect your career? Are there any people of integrity left in this city or state, who have the ability to investigate the Chicago Police Promotional process or are they all pawns for the oppressive political system that exist here in Chicago? If you should decide to take on this task it is a conspiracy of epic proportions. However, many of the principals involved will cooperate in the investigation with the promise of immunity or just simply being allowed to keep their pension. There also is no shortage of retired officers and high ranking police officials who would also volunteer where to find the information you seek to present a successful case for prosecution to the US Attorney’s office. It starts with the mayor and superintendent, includes politicians from all levels of Illinois government including our alderman Mr. Ferguson. This would be a prosecution of epic proportions and would conceivably take a minimum of 2 years to gather all the facts, interview all the witnesses and hand out immunity to your best witnesses. In the end you alone would be restoring the moral of the Chicago Police Department and showing the citizens of this city, state and nation that NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW.
Truly insulting,disrespectful,thieves committing thefts,pyramid scheme of sorts,only the man on top wins,and guess what he doesn't care how he wins or what you think,very insulting! Now who is HE?
Good, I hope they do let every Sgt take the test. It will eventually allow every PO who was not eligible to take the recent sgt test due to the time in grade requirment have a legitimate grievance. The city will be forced to re-test so if you did poorly on this sgt test looks like you will get a second try! If you scored well you will have another reason to hate the city.
Rumor spreads faster in this department than VD in a whorehouse. Nothing has happened so relax and loosen up your bunched up panties. It's cutting off the circulation to your brains.
50 Sgt s coming off the OLD list!!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
What does it matter anyway..they will just promote who they want. Like a certain f/2 on days in 12 who insisted on a van loaded with stolen mdse be removed from the Sally port so that new computers could be put in squads...the van with all the proceeds then gets stolen out of the 12th dist lot..where's station security on days..how about a cr on sgt for not guarding evidence..oh yeah she's going to blame it arresting officers
1/15/2015 02:04:00 AM
Not surprised.
Morale killers for whom exactly? Bosses? Or the people that deny time off as they plan theirs?? Hard to think with all the tears in my eyes
It will give everyone more time to study , afraid of a little competition , you cry babies won't make it and are likely merit promoted sergeants .
What does it matter anyway..they will just promote who they want. Like a certain f/2 on days in 12 who insisted on a van loaded with stolen mdse be removed from the Sally port so that new computers could be put in squads...the van with all the proceeds then gets stolen out of the 12th dist lot..where's station security on days..how about a cr on sgt for not guarding evidence..oh yeah she's going to blame it arresting officers
1/15/2015 02:04:00 AM
You left your evidence un-guarded?? And you want to blame some Lt? You are not a very good cop are you? I hope you get SPAR'ed
they were suppose to make a class of detectives in January. however someone with a brain at headquarters looked at the names on both the detectives list and sergeants list and noticed several people would be getting assigned to detective, go thru the training only to be promoted to sergeant shortly after. same scenario happened with the last class of detectives. several guys were assigned as detectives for a few periods and then promoted to sergeant. waste of time training them and they could've went up higher on the detective list if they made the sergeants class first. detectives class is coming shortly after the next class of sergeants. congrats ahead of time to the guys on the short list who have been waiting for nearly ten years to become a detective.
Good, I hope they do let every Sgt take the test. It will eventually allow every PO who was not eligible to take the recent sgt test due to the time in grade requirment have a legitimate grievance. The city will be forced to re-test so if you did poorly on this sgt test looks like you will get a second try! If you scored well you will have another reason to hate the city.
No guarantees in life and certainly not here on CPD,but if you stay out of trouble and stay healthy both physically and mentally the first and sixteenth don't fail you but in the end being retired is the blessing of all,like someone said looking in the rear view occasionally will be fun!
OT here but any word yet on how the new schedule on 005 is going along with the platoon policing style? I know it basically days and mid nights , 3rd watch eliminated. Any word on how the city will implement this city wide? What about the contract? Some guys are liking this idea but the devil is in the details, like 5 day work week, burning 22 hrs to,take 2 days off. I'm not a math major but it seems to basically break down like this if you are in a district where you cannot bid for days right now then you will work mid nights on this new schedule if it goes city wide with only 40% manpower going to days. Also you work 52.5 hrs a week as opposed to 42 right now. The biggest problem is the start times, they truely apseem awful. I'm wondering if it would be better to go,to 12 hrs days or back to rotating shifts at least you would only work mid nights 4 months a yr as opposed to all year long. Thoughts ?????
They want to change the rules in the middle of the game again. Want to allow all Sgt's regardless of time in grade to take the test.
Tracy's former secretary made Sgt last year. Within 2 months had an accident in 10, been IOD ever since. They want her made Lt but she isn't eligible to take the test now.
Garry "I'm against the good old boy network" McCarthy
Anonymous said...
Being a LT only means the balls from your pants are put on your star and those are little balls.
1/15/2015 06:51:00 AM
BOY!!! You hit the nail on the head with that one!!! The BEST!!
somewhat Off Topic...
A lawsuit was filed against officers by burglars who attempted to kill the cops by running over them with a stolen van that they crashed through the electronics store back garage door in 2012.
Ron Stafford of Channel 5 makes a good common sense case for the officers. One of the three burglars died, the other two are awaiting trial. If they had pleaded guilty and gone to prison Quinn could have commuted their sentence already.
http://www.nbcchicago.com/investigations/Surveillance-Video-Shows-Deadly-2012-Chicago-Burglary-288479991.html
Just called the Lodge and they were informed retro checks to be dispersed Friday 16JAN15 because 19th is a holiday. I'll believe it when I see it.
The Star Scholarship is an example of a prime example of a discriminatory program, using public tax dollars, only implemented to bolster the re-election of emmanuel. truely sickening how our tax dollars are being used to re-elect someone we despise.
O.T. Flagstaff Officer Killed, Caught On Body Camera
Watch the body camera video. The Flagstaff, Arizona officer was killed in the line of duty. May you rest in eternal peace.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoUUh_N1G1w
It could easily be 8-11 years. Look on data warehouse and look at the seniority dates of our current sgts... There's only about 300 sgts with over 20 years... Most of those are between 20-24 years.. It's gonna be a while. I remember when sgts classes were 100-150 at a time... Sometimes twice a year..
I call bullshit on your entire post. Look at the Scandentia classes of 1985 and 1986 over 2000 people hired your going to tell me not to expect any sergeant retirments in the near future. Go away troll.
1/15/2015 12:18:00 AM
You are full of shit! Guys like you just post "facts" you make up from your butthole so you can make others down and depressed. No fucking way your numbers are right. I scored high and like it or not, I am going to wear a white shirt pretty soon.
Perfect example of what this department thinks of you. 750 Sgts taking exam, signed up, planned furloughs around it and affects family plans.
Response / Information provided by dept: crickets
Here's a morale killer..... This last Sgt test was the first promotional test people with 12-13 years on could even take. If they had a bad test day and they leave this list up for another 9 years then a lot of this department may only take one test in 20 years+. The downsizing of the department has killed promotional opportunities, seniority and morale (and pension). It's even hard just to move around.... A bunch of openings after everyone picks watches and furloughs, also bad for morale. Top onto these things the spots everywhere for "special people" it's a miracle we have any proactive police.
Sadly this comes as no surprise.
The system is severely flawed and broken and geared only for the clouted.
That's an extreme insult to Mickey Mouse!
You would think with everyone asking about this and as many schedules that this involves that the department would let everyone know that they refuse to give this test until the supe's chosen few Sgts can be included so it has been put on hold indefinitely. Like Momma always said, if you can't own up to it in public you shouldn't do it. He must have missed that lesson.
Mickey Mouse would be ashamed of this group.
We know who you are because you ranked over 3,000 on the test. And no, Bernstein won't return your money.
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Also a lot of people talking about sgts being made.. Not true. According to the sgts association website they are only down 40 sgts. They city won't even think of making a class until sgts are down 150-200. The 2nd part of the test was over one year ago.. Jan 11th 2014 it he last part was given.
the van with all the proceeds then gets stolen out of the 12th dist lot.
Why wan't the stuff inventoried to begin with?
Was there a point in time when the promotion process was legit?
I must have missed it.
Just more of the same.
Let me guess how the exam will be given,
The OBJECTIVE PART will be Pass / Fail with half the test takers Passing.
The SUBJECTIVE PART will determine Rank Order. Which means the powers that be will PROMOTE who they want.
Some Non Clouted will slip in some spots and good for them. They DESERVE it.
Then the idiots who couldn't make rank in the stacked deck we call our promotional system, will be made by Merit.
Keep an eye on these Merit people because they will be some of the big bosses.
Merit is like marriage,
You don't have to prove you are deserving,
you don't have to be smart,
and you can do it multiple times.
Got to love the C.P.D.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Also a lot of people talking about sgts being made.. Not true. According to the sgts association website they are only down 40 sgts. They city won't even think of making a class until sgts are down 150-200. The 2nd part of the test was over one year ago.. Jan 11th 2014 it he last part was given. After the last test results were given out the city made a class of 70 just a few months after. Because of such a long time the last list was up and the blitz of promotions off that list in the last two years the majority of sgts are young.. Under 20 years on the job. Don't expect many retirements at all in the near future.... Even in the 5-8 year window.. Sure guys will retire but in all of 2014 only 47 sgts retired. Don't hold your breath if you are anywhere on this list. I honestly don't see a class even being made this year... Such was the latest rumor i heard that no sgts made in 2015. Not being a troll. I'm already a Sgt so no bones to pick or trying to make people on the list nervous but I do feel bad for guys who scored between 100-400. You might get made but who knows when... Especially the guys in the last class 350s-390s area... It could easily be 8-11 years. Look on data warehouse and look at the seniority dates of our current sgts... There's only about 300 sgts with over 20 years... Most of those are between 20-24 years.. It's gonna be a while. I remember when sgts classes were 100-150 at a time... Sometimes twice a year..
True! I work in HR and I was told rhis current list will go to approx the high 200 and a new test will be administered I guess the powers that be don't want promotional exams to pass the 5 yr mark. I guess its a New York thing. They administer a promo exam every 2 yrs
(OT) Are obama holder and the rest watching here?
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/01/15/belgium-counterterrorism-raids/
You know what a morale killer is? Denying time due to people that made plans weeks in advance, even planning out of town trips after being told they had time off, then pulling the rug right out from under them and telling them their time was denied. Do bosses really think this is how you build morale? You think people want to work for people who do this shit?
Where has old Garry been? Is he still on the medical for his honeymoon? Hes been very quiet and he hasn't been at 35th st either.
O.T. Flagstaff Officer Killed, Caught On Body Camera
Watch the body camera video. The Flagstaff, Arizona officer was killed in the line of duty. May you rest in eternal peace.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoUUh_N1G1w
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Everyone should watch this video. God bless the officer, but these poor tactics are what gets cops killed.
Is he making an arrest? If he is, then his relaxed approached and conversational style are a recipe for disaster.
Make your decision. Prepare your approach. Act decisively.
Indecision is your enemy.
Sergeants should be re-tested every 5 years. Merit sergeants re-retested yearly. In the event of failure, these individuals should be replaced by out of work circus chimps, who have been proven to complete complex tasks, retain insight and perform simple duties all the while wearing a diaper.
Anonymous said...
Here's a morale killer..... This last Sgt test was the first promotional test people with 12-13 years on could even take. If they had a bad test day and they leave this list up for another 9 years then a lot of this department may only take one test in 20 years+. The downsizing of the department has killed promotional opportunities, seniority and morale (and pension). It's even hard just to move around.... A bunch of openings after everyone picks watches and furloughs, also bad for morale. Top onto these things the spots everywhere for "special people" it's a miracle we have any proactive police.
1/15/2015 12:52:00 PM
Detectives list is 10 years old.
None of you deserve to be promoted! Scamming the dept always... The Police Officers that should have been promoted, were treated like crap.
Captains made today. Anybody have the names?
1/15/2015 12:18:00 AM
You are full of shit! Guys like you just post "facts" you make up from your butthole so you can make others down and depressed. No fucking way your numbers are right. I scored high and like it or not, I am going to wear a white shirt pretty soon.
1/15/2015 12:41:00 PM
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I'm the original poster... Like I said I've been a Sgt already for a while. Do some research yourself. Go to the sgts association website and click on the "chevrons" news letter. As of January 2015 sgts are only down 40. Then go to the clear system for alpha star inquiry... Run sgts title code and then after they pop up click the seniority date up top. It will show you how many sgts by age, time on the job etc. you will see the numbers are correct. I'm not trying to put anybody down at all. I'm glad u scored good. What I'm saying is that the department screwed the entire process by holding the list for that long. they let so many sgts retire and the hired hundreds within two years all of which were younger. This will effect Sgt promotions for many years to come until sgts get older and retire but now the numbers of oldrr sgts to retire just aren't there to hire a lot of sgts at once... This will now cause smaller classes more spread out and the list being up for a really long time. If you think the city will hire more than the budgeted amount you are nuts... They won't over promote just to be nice to guys who want to get promoted quicker. It sucks to say but the city has screwed a lot of people in the future. I still stand by my comment and numbers and that this list will be up for 8 years minimum. It's impossible not too with how few older sgts there are out there
OT..Good one boys and girls in 010..now please take your commander pena back!! No time due for you!!
It could easily be 8-11 years. Look on data warehouse and look at the seniority dates of our current sgts... There's only about 300 sgts with over 20 years... Most of those are between 20-24 years.. It's gonna be a while. I remember when sgts classes were 100-150 at a time... Sometimes twice a year..
I call bullshit on your entire post. Look at the Scandentia classes of 1985 and 1986 over 2000 people hired your going to tell me not to expect any sergeant retirments in the near future. Go away troll.
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Again, use data warehouse and see how many of those officers are still around which I just did when I read your post. Only a few are sgts from that time and a few hundred blue shirts from that time are left.. When it comes to sgts that will have some retirements but not nearly enough to get a big class out of.. I'm telling you, run it all on data warehouse you will see the age and seniority and years on the job of all our sgts... Sgts are young! Don't bash my numbers when you refuse to look them up yourself and confirm what I posted
OT here but any word yet on how the new schedule on 005 is going along with the platoon policing style? I know it basically days and mid nights , 3rd watch eliminated. Any word on how the city will implement this city wide? What about the contract? Some guys are liking this idea but the devil is in the details, like 5 day work week, burning 22 hrs to,take 2 days off. I'm not a math major but it seems to basically break down like this if you are in a district where you cannot bid for days right now then you will work mid nights on this new schedule if it goes city wide with only 40% manpower going to days. Also you work 52.5 hrs a week as opposed to 42 right now. The biggest problem is the start times, they truely apseem awful. I'm wondering if it would be better to go,to 12 hrs days or back to rotating shifts at least you would only work mid nights 4 months a yr as opposed to all year long. Thoughts ?????
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Gotta say I was a hater but it's actually nice. I'm a guy that hates change but in my opinion even though it's still new I can get use to it and like it I'm sure. Every week is not 5 days in a row. Don't forget, when you get a holiday you don't just get 12 hours. You get 15 so it's adjusted for how long you are working. If you catch the weeks where you get 4 days off in a row which I'm lucky enough to get right in the beginning it's really nice. I just find that it's a little longer of a day.. Nothing crazy just pace yourself, stay busy/occupied and you will like it. I bad mouthed it but I really like it so far.
Think about it. These sgts took the last test in 2006. 8 or 9 years later they finally get made through no fault of their own.. They city promoted slow. I see many sgts who took the test with 10-14 years in. They finally get promoted and now they are a new Sgt with 20 plus years on. If they don't get to take this test they will not be able to have a chance to become a Lt or even take another test. As a blue shirt who doesn't hate all witr shirts it's not fair to some of them.. Especially a few guys who made it and are older and are great guys who probably deserve to be LT or at least have the chance to take it.. I bombed every promotion test I've taken.. I have 19 years.. My test taking days are done. 6 or 7 more years and I'll pull the plug. Hope I get to see some of these guys who actually deserve it make LT.
" I scored high and like it or not, I am going to wear a white shirt pretty soon.
1/15/2015 12:41:00 PM"
Because my Chinaman said so. Arrogant self entitled Jagoff, you must be a real prize to work with. Assuming you actually do work, & aren't squirelled away somewhere waiting to be annointed
The van was stolen from the 12th District parking lot while 1st watch was warming up their personal cars before checkoff...DOGASS 1st watch didn't stop the offender and the entire watch is getting a CR!
When was it that the Germans invaded Pearl Harbor?
1/15/2015 09:17:00 AM
Forget it, he's rolling...
With the logic of this Department now. Why can't you take the Sgt. Test before your hired as a PPO, or the LT test as a PO. At the rate and speed they test and promote you could get lucky and be a chief in 3-4 years.
My wife works in personnel. They are talking 4 years for the next SGT class. She has been down there for 15 years now as a civilian and is pretty accurate on what's going on with promotions. I am a LT in 025 and she knew when the LT class was three years out.
My Sgt at The Airport is gonna stroke out unless he gets made Lt soon!
I was at SXU buying a book in the late 90's when I was approached by Harry "The Hat Holmes, the 022nd District C/O. He said to me 'Hey kid, U look like U have a college degree." I don't know what a person w/a college degree looks like myself, but anyway I'll fill out the paper work he asked me to. C/O The Hat told me that the paper work "wasn't going anywhere." Those words turned out 2B famous last words cuz a CPD envelope showed up ordering me 2B wherever the 1st part of the test was. I thought of Harry and his help me fuck U attitude.
My girlfriend's Dad was a Sgt and he was pissed. He told me "U just took the world's largest dead end job!
The old Sgt was right & I was a young idiot. Shoulda blew this shit off, health wood B better, and some of these bosses think their MIT grads, but their University closest to 1300 W. Jackson at best....
Anonymous said...
Captains made today. Anybody have the names?
1/15/2015 06:13:00 PM
Yes.
Am I suppose to care about a bunch of whining sgts?
I don't. Not one bit
(OT) we pay to educate the kids in public school through outrageous taxes on our homes, 60% goes to the pathetic cps system and they take them out of school to protest police brutality on a March!
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-mlk-youth-rally-met-20150115-story.html
These are the kids that will grow up like their parents with an anti police mentality bug then again we can watch them grow as they get work slinging dope or working at McDonald's! No wonder good citizens are fleeing this shithole city in droves!
Anonymous said...
How are the citizens supposed to trust the police, when the police do not trust the police?
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The only citizens who shouldn't trust the police are criminals and their advocates, the rest of society should trust the police.
What you're seeing here is political influence and control of the promotion process, and the cops who have no clout to fight it.
Enjoy your retro check !
Thank you Dean for my retro
Holy shit, 12:01am and my retro check is finally here.
My wife works in personnel. They are talking 4 years for the next SGT class. She has been down there for 15 years now as a civilian and is pretty accurate on what's going on with promotions. I am a LT in 025 and she knew when the LT class was three years out.
1/15/2015 08:17:00 PM
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Next class or next test? Either way you're a moron because both are completly false
Chicago Police morale?
That ship has sailed.
If you don't come to work fully expecting a kick in the balls, you're a fool.
It's getting beyond that daily kick in the balls that puts you above the rest.
In the meantime what happens to the money?
My girlfriend's Dad was a Sgt and he was pissed. He told me "U just took the world's largest dead end job!
The old Sgt was right & I was a young idiot. Shoulda blew this shit off, health wood B better, and some of these bosses think their MIT grads, but their University closest to 1300 W. Jackson at best....
1/15/2015 08:51:00 PM
Reading your post gave me a headache. You think you are better than this job? You write like a moron. Too many children over impressed with their own self worth and value.This job is too good for you.
Scc, is it true that 10 hr days going citywide at start of 2016, and that the order came out 15 jan. Did you hear anything?
Anonymous said...
My wife works in personnel. They are talking 4 years for the next SGT class. She has been down there for 15 years now as a civilian and is pretty accurate on what's going on with promotions. I am a LT in 025 and she knew when the LT class was three years out.
1/15/2015 08:17:00 PM
NOBODY including the supt knows. It is all decided by city hall and depends on that years budget. The sup can request promotions and tests,but city hall has to ok it.
Anonymous said...
My wife works in personnel. They are talking 4 years for the next SGT class. She has been down there for 15 years now as a civilian and is pretty accurate on what's going on with promotions. I am a LT in 025 and she knew when the LT class was three years out.
1/15/2015 08:17:00 PM
How can anyone know what is goig to happen on the CPD four years from now. There could be a new mayor, a new CPD boss and court challenges could affect any promotions. So to say you kniw what is going to happen in four years is ridiculous. Hell going to extremes they could eliminate the rank of Lt in four years
you don't have to manipulate a test to get your favorite four guys promoted. A patrolman can be made exempt at anytime a superintendent wants. Just ask Mike Cronin
8:51pm
Please tell me you didn't graduate from SXU and you write like that.
If so I am going to burn my degree from there.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
When was it that the Germans invaded Pearl Harbor?
1/15/2015 09:17:00 AM
Forget it, he's rolling...
1/15/2015 07:14:00 PM
The Germans invaded Pearl Harbor on June 6, 1944.
If anything good can come out of the promotion scam it may possibly make future LT.'s and current Sgt.'s less company men then they already are. Shit like this just leaves a bad taste which is typical for the CPD.
Scc, is it true that 10 hr days going citywide at start of 2016, and that the order came out 15 jan. Did you hear anything?
NOT TRUE
Anonymous said...
I was at SXU buying a book in the late 90's when I was approached by Harry "The Hat Holmes, the 022nd District C/O. He said to me 'Hey kid, U look like U have a college degree." I don't know what a person w/a college degree looks like myself, but anyway I'll fill out the paper work he asked me to. C/O The Hat told me that the paper work "wasn't going anywhere." Those words turned out 2B famous last words cuz a CPD envelope showed up ordering me 2B wherever the 1st part of the test was. I thought of Harry and his help me fuck U attitude.
My girlfriend's Dad was a Sgt and he was pissed. He told me "U just took the world's largest dead end job!
The old Sgt was right & I was a young idiot. Shoulda blew this shit off, health wood B better, and some of these bosses think their MIT grads, but their University closest to 1300 W. Jackson at best....
1/15/2015 08:51:00 PM
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I jumped ship after 2 years of coming to that realization. I work for the federal gov as a GS11-4. the pay is so much better on the federal side of town.
Gotta say I was a hater but it's actually nice. I'm a guy that hates change but in my opinion even though it's still new I can get use to it and like it I'm sure. Every week is not 5 days in a row. Don't forget, when you get a holiday you don't just get 12 hours. You get 15 so it's adjusted for how long you are working. If you catch the weeks where you get 4 days off in a row which I'm lucky enough to get right in the beginning it's really nice. I just find that it's a little longer of a day.. Nothing crazy just pace yourself, stay busy/occupied and you will like it. I bad mouthed it but I really like it so far.
1/15/2015 06:47:00 PM
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take a look at the health studies and you will see the damages is does to cops who work like this. But then again, you would not work for CPD if you cared about your health. Retirement is 3/4th of the job. I dont want to retire and die 3 or 4 years later because of health concerns
Anonymous Anonymous said...
It could easily be 8-11 years. Look on data warehouse and look at the seniority dates of our current sgts... There's only about 300 sgts with over 20 years... Most of those are between 20-24 years.. It's gonna be a while. I remember when sgts classes were 100-150 at a time... Sometimes twice a year..
I call bullshit on your entire post. Look at the Scandentia classes of 1985 and 1986 over 2000 people hired your going to tell me not to expect any sergeant retirments in the near future. Go away troll.
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Again, use data warehouse and see how many of those officers are still around which I just did when I read your post. Only a few are sgts from that time and a few hundred blue shirts from that time are left.. When it comes to sgts that will have some retirements but not nearly enough to get a big class out of.. I'm telling you, run it all on data warehouse you will see the age and seniority and years on the job of all our sgts... Sgts are young! Don't bash my numbers when you refuse to look them up yourself and confirm what I posted
1/15/2015 06:33:00 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Sgt retirements are not the only way that room is made at Sgt. They just made 20-30 Captains. Which means they will need to make 20-30 Lt's which means 20-30 Sgt's are moved up. Therefore add 20-30 to your 40 number which is actually 43 according to data warehouse under budget for Sgt. So anytime someone leaves above Sgt room will be made as they fill those spots.
It's called Trickle Down Promotions!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
My girlfriend's Dad was a Sgt and he was pissed. He told me "U just took the world's largest dead end job!
The old Sgt was right & I was a young idiot. Shoulda blew this shit off, health wood B better, and some of these bosses think their MIT grads, but their University closest to 1300 W. Jackson at best....
1/15/2015 08:51:00 PM
Reading your post gave me a headache. You think you are better than this job? You write like a moron. Too many children over impressed with their own self worth and value.This job is too good for you.
1/16/2015 05:39:00 AM
I think the girlfriend's dad was pissed because she was dating the original poster, who writes on a third-grade level.
im not holding breath, just give me my vri and keep me in 016 great bosses except midnights
Anonymous said...
they were suppose to make a class of detectives in January. however someone with a brain at headquarters looked at the names on both the detectives list and sergeants list and noticed several people would be getting assigned to detective, go thru the training only to be promoted to sergeant shortly after. same scenario happened with the last class of detectives. several guys were assigned as detectives for a few periods and then promoted to sergeant. waste of time training them and they could've went up higher on the detective list if they made the sergeants class first. detectives class is coming shortly after the next class of sergeants. congrats ahead of time to the guys on the short list who have been waiting for nearly ten years to become a detective.
1/15/2015 10:59:00 AM
B.S. The Detective's class was supposed to happen in December. Then someone at 3510 realized that the next 100 names on the list did not represent the city racial/ethnic/sexual makeup (read - all white males) Had to take the time to do some more "merit" interviews to ensure that certain races, ethnicities and sexes were represented at at least 30%. When they can identify that "required" number, then the class will be made. Probably sometime in March.
Anonymous said...
OT here but any word yet on how the new schedule on 005 is going along with the platoon policing style? I know it basically days and mid nights , 3rd watch eliminated. Any word on how the city will implement this city wide? What about the contract? Some guys are liking this idea but the devil is in the details, like 5 day work week, burning 22 hrs to,take 2 days off. I'm not a math major but it seems to basically break down like this if you are in a district where you cannot bid for days right now then you will work mid nights on this new schedule if it goes city wide with only 40% manpower going to days. Also you work 52.5 hrs a week as opposed to 42 right now. The biggest problem is the start times, they truely apseem awful. I'm wondering if it would be better to go,to 12 hrs days or back to rotating shifts at least you would only work mid nights 4 months a yr as opposed to all year long. Thoughts ?????
1/15/2015 11:14:00 AM
I assume that you are a P/O. You are NOT allowed to think asshat. Do what you are told by the supervisors. Stay away from the calculator! It's only gonna cause confusion in your little mind. Now run out and get me some coffee you peasant.
The Germans invaded Pearl Harbor on June 6, 1944.
1/16/2015 10:34:00 AM
German U-Boats may not have been in Hawaii, but they were in the Gulf of Mexico...
"The Robert E. Lee was torpedoed by the U-166 while ferrying victims of other U-boat attacks from Trinidad to New Orleans. The sub succumbed to depth charges fired from an escort ship. These doomed ships are now separated by only two miles of seabed."
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/16/us/gulf-of-mexico-shipwrecks-world-war-ii/
If 10 hr days are not coming, then why are FOP trustees visiting districts pitching it as the best thing ever known to man. This thing has been piloted for 14 years, and it was voted on and declined by the membership already in the past. 10 hr days suck, I have tried it. Kiss your beloved 4 and 2 bye-bye.
how about a class of E/TS!!
I assume that you are a P/O. You are NOT allowed to think asshat. Do what you are told by the supervisors. Stay away from the calculator! It's only gonna cause confusion in your little mind. Now run out and get me some coffee you peasant.
1/16/2015 10:59:00 PM
You believe the supervisors can think? Now that's scary. Talk about small minds.
B.S. The Detective's class was supposed to happen in December. Then someone at 3510 realized that the next 100 names on the list did not represent the city racial/ethnic/sexual makeup (read - all white males) Had to take the time to do some more "merit" interviews to ensure that certain races, ethnicities and sexes were represented at at least 30%. When they can identify that "required" number, then the class will be made. Probably sometime in March.
1/16/2015 10:54:00 PM
Detectives are only 20% merit. The detective job can't handle as much dead weight as the sergeant job can. You are correct though in that the 20% merit will consist of a "diverse" bunch of dead weight.
Sgt retirements are not the only way that room is made at Sgt. They just made 20-30 Captains. Which means they will need to make 20-30 Lt's which means 20-30 Sgt's are moved up. Therefore add 20-30 to your 40 number which is actually 43 according to data warehouse under budget for Sgt. So anytime someone leaves above Sgt room will be made as they fill those spots.
It's called Trickle Down Promotions!
1/16/2015 03:03:00 PM
Do you realize how small the numbers are that you're talking? There's something like 1000 sergeants last I checked. Seriously, you might see a small sergeant class in the next few years and you'll probably make it if you're below 50 on the list. Don't forget that sergeants are 30% merit. So if they make 50 sergeants, only 35 are coming off the list. People that have numbers above 100 are going to be waiting a few years at least. People with numbers above 200 are going to be waiting close to a decade, just like last time. Just realize that if you're sitting pretty with a number of say 150, you're really going to have to wait for 195 sergeants to be made before you get in. In other words, get used to that beat car because you're going to be waiting quite awhile.
With modern technology , every watch could give up one sergeant , crime lab could be merged with detective division , ten hour shifts means less sergeants , Homan Square and
Police Headquarters have units could run with less supervisors .
100 sergeants could be cut from budget anytime .
Sgt retirements are not the only way that room is made at Sgt. They just made 20-30 Captains. Which means they will need to make 20-30 Lt's which means 20-30 Sgt's are moved up. Therefore add 20-30 to your 40 number which is actually 43 according to data warehouse under budget for Sgt. So anytime someone leaves above Sgt room will be made as they fill those spots.
It's called Trickle Down Promotions!
1/16/2015 03:03:00 PM
Do you realize how small the numbers are that you're talking? There's something like 1000 sergeants last I checked. Seriously, you might see a small sergeant class in the next few years and you'll probably make it if you're below 50 on the list. Don't forget that sergeants are 30% merit. So if they make 50 sergeants, only 35 are coming off the list. People that have numbers above 100 are going to be waiting a few years at least. People with numbers above 200 are going to be waiting close to a decade, just like last time. Just realize that if you're sitting pretty with a number of say 150, you're really going to have to wait for 195 sergeants to be made before you get in. In other words, get used to that beat car because you're going to be waiting quite awhile.
1/17/2015 09:08:00 AM
Does he realize how small the numbers are?
He gave the fucking numbers.
You don't know shit. They are at least 20 Sgts right now who could retire with 30 years and about 50 more with 29 years. They are down at least 40 now, possibly 70 more pulling the plug before years end, 20 Lts getting promoted, Lts making commander. They are going to have to make some Sgt's this year. Logically I would see a big class sooner and possibly a smaller class if needed at the end of the year.
Remember that nobody with 12 years and under has had the chance to be promoted. Big deal right? Thats a lot of potential juice that hasn't had a chance to flex. Juice doesn't last forever. People know that and will be pushing to get some people made who were not elgible previously.
You don't know shit. They are at least 20 Sgts right now who could retire with 30 years and about 50 more with 29 years. They are down at least 40 now, possibly 70 more pulling the plug before years end, 20 Lts getting promoted, Lts making commander. They are going to have to make some Sgt's this year. Logically I would see a big class sooner and possibly a smaller class if needed at the end of the year.
You must be a young guy if you think that logic has anything to do with this department. You say I don't know shit but I've been around awhile. I know how this department/city operates and logic is never part of the equation. I'm assuming you have a number in the 100-200 range. Congratulations. You will be a sergeant someday no doubt, but you're going to be waiting awhile whether you want to believe me or not. You say they are going to have to make some sergeants this year. Why is that? They don't have to do shit. Last time around they went how many years without a class? Hell, the detective list is over 10 years old and they've barely cracked 300 on the list. Currently, there's more sergeants than there are detectives and ET'S combined. Logically.....LOL.
You must be a young guy if you think that logic has anything to do with this department. You say I don't know shit but I've been around awhile. I know how this department/city operates and logic is never part of the equation. I'm assuming you have a number in the 100-200 range. Congratulations. You will be a sergeant someday no doubt, but you're going to be waiting awhile whether you want to believe me or not. You say they are going to have to make some sergeants this year. Why is that? They don't have to do shit. Last time around they went how many years without a class? Hell, the detective list is over 10 years old and they've barely cracked 300 on the list. Currently, there's more sergeants than there are detectives and ET'S combined. Logically.....LOL.
1/18/2015 07:12:00 AM
Why do you think they are not promoting off the Det lists?
Logically Lol.
They'll promote Det after a sgt class, which will happen after a Lts class. Then a new test. If your not within 50 I would start preparing for the new test.
ETs are going to be extinct soon so dont count on that shit.
Ive been around a minute. I know sgts are more necessary now then they were before. I agree they dont do shit but the days of having one sgt working are gone.
Gerry and Rahm aren't feeling the need for detectives for some reason. I pretty sure if you look at the part of the post that you didnt copy and paste you might find the answer.
Well if ET's are going to be extinct soon, then McStupid and Rahm better start feeling the need for detectives because who the hell are they going to have doing all that shit? They've already shifted some of their duties over to the detectives. This department if fucked up beyond recognition. Nothing they do makes any sense. The way they've been promoting and hiring the last decade is a fucking disgrace. The detective division is dangerously short and over half of the detectives have over 20 years on the job. So excuse me for laughing when you try to apply logic to anything the morons running this department do. Maybe they're planning to have the sergeants start processing the crime scenes. If that's the case, then maybe you'll get the sergeant promotions you're hoping for.
Rahm and Gerry don't give a fuck about crime scenes.
When was the last ET test? When was the last time they promoted ET's?
Give detectives an extra two weeks of training , end the crime lab with the hidden office police that work short hours , total waste of police resources . As a detective , I am qualified to take a few photos , swab some blood ,semen ,collect evidence and arrest the fin offender .
Just remember the four step to achieve communism. Demoralization, Destabilization, Crisis and Normalization. Remember what Brezhnev said after the Russians invaded and established a police state in Czechoslovakia. The situation in brotherly Czechoslovakia had now been NORMALIZED. Recently obummer stated we would like to NORMALIZE relations with cuba. This is a term Communists used to state the point they had succeeded with their Communist indoctrination, infiltration, and subversion in a targeted country
We don't need detectives. We don't want people actually charged with the crimes they commit. The 12% clearance rate for homicide is just fine. Every homicide committed, the killer has a 88% chance of never being caught. Including murders of children. Hello Rahm!!!!!!!!!!
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