Offenders Sue Police...Again
- In April 2012, Chicago Police responded to a burglary in progress at Mike’s Electronics store in the Little Village neighborhood on the west side.
Three men were stealing stereos at 2:30 in the morning. Within 15 minutes of the police arriving, one person was shot dead and two others were seriously wounded as the men tried to escape in a stolen van. Security cameras and police dash cameras captured much of the shooting.
And get a load of what this lawyer is saying the basis for the lawsuit is:
- The lawsuit cites Chicago’s deadly force policy which states ‘when the vehicle is the only force used…sworn members will move out of the vehicle’s path.”
“The van cannot be a justification for deadly force,” Hegarty said. One officer who is standing in the path of the vehicle says he was hit by the van, injured by flying debris and treated at a hospital.
Hegarty argues the tape shows the officer running down the sidewalk apparently unhurt and officers reloading and approaching the van. He also accuses them of continuing to fire after the vehicle crashed.
Well, we watched the video, and the officer did indeed move out of the way - after being hit by the van. As to him running away, adrenalin leads the way - we recall more than a few folks (or people) shot through the heart who managed to run quite long distances and unload numerous shots after the fact. It happens.
But the van itself is a 4,500 pound weapon, and thankfully, any number of experts will tell you that. At least one tells the reporter so. And criminals willing to drive through a closed steel door with cops on the other side are more than willing to drive over granny or anyone else who gets in their way. The NBC report is reasonably fair and the video is explicit in showing the complete disregard the criminals had for the safety of anyone in the vicinity.
But the van itself is a 4,500 pound weapon, and thankfully, any number of experts will tell you that. At least one tells the reporter so. And criminals willing to drive through a closed steel door with cops on the other side are more than willing to drive over granny or anyone else who gets in their way. The NBC report is reasonably fair and the video is explicit in showing the complete disregard the criminals had for the safety of anyone in the vicinity.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
83 Comments:
rahm will pay. It's election time.
Two were only wounded?
WTF?
Bubblehead shouldve head butted it
They were just about to turn their lives around when the police apprehended them. Damn!
eh, I rather read about a guy getting sued that being the guy getting sued. Hence the reason I dont go lights and sirens to bs calls, only to 10-1s.
Remember guys... be the 2nd or 3rd car on scene, no paper.
Duh!! Criminals most often do show a disregard for the safety of others.
This lawsuit is totally because of the I want to make a name for my self house mouse Lt.'s that write our stupid general orders. This department has written us into a corner with the ridiculous general orders that have been implemented in the last 10 years. They have written us into being sued for any thing and everytihing. This JO lawyer is not basing the lawsuit on case law, but he is basing his lawsuit on General Orders. No wonder this city is bankrupt.
The world would be a much better place if it weren't for the damn lawyers!
Remember guys... be the 2nd or 3rd car on scene, no paper.
1/16/2015 12:31:00 AM
If you are afraid to do the job, do something else. We run towards trouble, not run from it.
You probably hope your family doesn't get police help like you when they call. You are pathetic.
IV. AFFIRMATION OF PROTECTION OF LIFE POLICY
Sworn members will not unreasonably endanger themselves or another person to conform to the restrictions of this directive.
This would apply to a PO getting struck by an offending vehicle.
The author of that GO needs to be fired. That opens us up to law suits.
The rule is "REASONABLE," so instead of writing a BAD GO, how about a short video about "REASONABLENESS" and leave the GO to read that deadly force shall be reasonable under the circumstances?
From Chicago Tribune!
Police torture accusers call on Mayor Rahm Emanuel to endorse a $20 million reparations fund
Supporters of a $20 million reparations fund for alleged torture victims of former police Cmdr. Jon Burge and his so-called midnight crew on Thursday called on Mayor Rahm Emanuel and influential Ald. Edward Burke to sign off on the funding.
Can I get reparations for having to hear about all this bullshit for way too many years! The lowlife lawyers keep going to the well. It never ends! Lawyers taking care of lawyers! That's justice......
(OT) wouldn't this be a strong arm robbery?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-police-warn-of-thefts-on-cta-trains-at-wilson-stop-20150115-story.html
Killing crime chIcago style? Cooking the books?
Lawyers and the media suck equally.
That is fucking bullshit. Thieves suing officers? WTF is going on in this world.
The burglars are still in jail awaiting trial almost two years???
Sometimes the bond systems works. If they had pleaded guilty and were in prison Governor Quinn could have commuted their sentence and they would be out now.
But what would this Hagerty lawyer be saying if these mopes had smeared a few of these cops against the sidewalk as they crashed out and maybe killed them.
He would say, "The officers didn't follow their own department orders and move out of the way when the vehicle is the only force used against them."
>>>Anonymous said...
eh, I rather read about a guy getting sued that being the guy getting sued. Hence the reason I dont go lights and sirens to bs calls, only to 10-1s.
Remember guys... be the 2nd or 3rd car on scene, no paper.
1/16/2015 12:31:00 AM<<<
Please don't bother. Go to lunch instead, say you were holding yourself in reserve for the really big job later.
OT: John KASS is no friend to the police
His "Cops leave trial into killing" is a perfect example of an anti-police hit-piece.
How do u know anyone made a joke? You yourself even state you couldn't hear what was said, or even who said it.
Despite that....you state "men laughing, cops laughing"
Check it out SCC readers, then check out the comment section that KASS inspired.
KASS a friend of the police? No fucking way
Why even mention this nonsense? Anything, and I mean ANYTHING, can be used as a weapon. And when used as such, take proper actions to protect yourself and others. Lawsuits will come no matter what, part of the job. Write tight paper and don't stray from your reports.
eh, I rather read about a guy getting sued that being the guy getting sued. Hence the reason I dont go lights and sirens to bs calls, only to 10-1s.
Remember guys... be the 2nd or 3rd car on scene, no paper.
Another Lazy Dog
This lawsuit is totally because of the I want to make a name for my self house mouse Lt.'s that write our stupid general orders. This department has written us into a corner with the ridiculous general orders that have been implemented in the last 10 years. They have written us into being sued for any thing and everytihing. This JO lawyer is not basing the lawsuit on case law, but he is basing his lawsuit on General Orders. No wonder this city is bankrupt.
This is so true. The general orders are a total joke and they breed frivolous nonsensical lawsuits like this one. "Officers will move out of the vehicle's path" - well no shit sherlock. Funny, it doesn't mention what to do when asshole comes back around for another try to run you down. If you follow these GOs you'd be running around like a decapitated chicken just to avoid being hit by a lunatic criminal. Rules made up by wanna-be lawyers and office barnacles who never saw the inside of a squad car. They make orders, rescind those orders, then create special orders to override the other orders etc. etc.. All symptomatic of an overly bureaucratic inefficient system.
What a load of crap! That lawsuit is complete bullshit!! This scumbag lawyer, Terry Hegarty, should be lined up and have a 4,000 pound vehicle come speeding at him. Let's see how he likes it, the f--king jagoff!
Shakespeare was right when he wrote: ....
--- "The first thing we do is kill all the lawyers." ---
Isn't it *funny* -- not ha-ha funny, but sick funny -- that when Shakespeare wrote Henry VI in 1591, that even way back then, lawyers where bottom-feeding, scum-bag, pieces of shit.
The plaintiff’s’ attorney is taking great risks. This attorney’s image will forever be tarnished and his reputation sullied for seeking taxpayer money for criminals committing felonies on film. Law abiding tax paying working class types will let their conscience be their guide and forgo legal representation from this greedy questionable criminal- representing attorney. The legal profession will ostracize this attorney citing his lust for personal compensation and not choosing what is right, moral, ethical and just. Like a black eye impugning the esteemed reputation on the upstanding members of the bar. Crime doesn’t pay and associated criminals should not get paid. The money can better spent funding anti crime programs, traffic statistical studies, school zone speed cameras and aldermanic closed book expense slush funds.
No different a situation than the Eric Garner case. Policy is in contradiction with the constitution. Don't sweat it guys, it'll settle for a smaller sum or Mr. Big Shot attorney will go for the gold and lose.
Lawyers are the scum of the earth
1 dead, 2 two wounded.
Maybe the union should offer to help the officers sue the lawyer?
"when the vehicle is the only force used…sworn members will move out of the vehicle’s path."
...as the driver COMES AFTER YOU in an ever-increasing number of police-hate incidents...
"Will," huh? "Move to" WHERE in 1/2 second with your back against a wall?
* Rewrite time
* Shotgun time
I know this wont go right. But I hope that the lawyer wins... Let the tax payer pay for it, You elect Dems--- Dems put judges and knuckleheads in office. You will learn to vote for your own interested eventually, Or you will pay for it.
This kinda stuff is not going on in anywhere else or other southern states. Only in the Peoples Democratic Republic of Cook County
Anonymous said...
eh, I rather read about a guy getting sued that being the guy getting sued. Hence the reason I dont go lights and sirens to bs calls, only to 10-1s.
Remember guys... be the 2nd or 3rd car on scene, no paper.
1/16/2015 12:31:00 AM
I just want to say that it's a real treat working with you. The way you dog it so everyone else gets to do your work. I guess it all works out because we wouldn't buy a ticket to any fund raiser for you.
(OT) Its Friday no retro any big changes? Whose getting moved?
This is small potatoes. Imagine you’re the Police in Brussels who put two terrorists on fastrack to allah and sandy virgins. Job well done and well deserved praise for our international Brothers and Sisters in Blue. The Belgian people can take pride in their Men and Women in Blue who averted another mass tragedy and loss of the lives of their fellow countrymen with the accompanying mayhem and fear.
Can you imagine if that happened in Chicago and what an orgy “civil rights” attorneys would have. Like sharks, they sniff out blood in the water and begin the legal process of a feeding frenzy from the public trough. Either society must embrace the lawful actions that law enforcement professionals engage in risking their lives to protect its citizenry or embrace the ethically challenged legal profession and its associated Monday morning quarterback snakes taking the side of evil doers in the pursuit of big money. Take the money away from rewarding criminal behavior and stop the bullshit already. That includes the sympathetic or more accurately pathetic federal judges who ultimately side with and reward this criminal behavior with an in your face legal decision to the working class who are stuck with the bill.
Anonymous said...
From Chicago Tribune!
Police torture accusers call on Mayor Rahm Emanuel to endorse a $20 million reparations fund
Supporters of a $20 million reparations fund for alleged torture victims of former police Cmdr. Jon Burge and his so-called midnight crew on Thursday called on Mayor Rahm Emanuel and influential Ald. Edward Burke to sign off on the funding.
Can I get reparations for having to hear about all this bullshit for way too many years! The lowlife lawyers keep going to the well. It never ends! Lawyers taking care of lawyers! That's justice......
1/16/2015 06:19:00 AM
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Lawyers taking care of Lawyers... Police giving the ole baton to the new coppers, bend over...this is going to hurt, just alot! The FOP should learn from these Lawyers, instead they are busy taking orders from city hall... Oh Rahm, you want a kosher hotdog from Morrie's over on 35th...oy vey!
Thinking that R and D sits around and schemes how to make everyone's lives more difficult proves you don't have a clue how things work around here. Look at the superintendent who signed that General Order (Terry Hillard) and that will give you insight who wanted that order or wanted that order revised.
No retro for YOU!!!
Let me get this right. The burglar and aggravated battery offenders put the lives of officers at risk of death and great bodily harm by attempting to defeat a lawful arrest by means of escape with the use of a deadly weapon in the form of a motor vehicle. They are beyond a reasonable doubt committing numerous felonies and putting officer's lives at risk all in violation of criminal law. Now we question the actions of officers who are protecting their lives and the lives of fellow officers with some non compliance type stuff of some general order. Officers your life, your safety and the other brave officers lives are somehow diminished by an order written by department lawyers in an office fantasizing what legal theory is applicable and how best avoid liability. When your life is on the line you react instinctively not debate in one’s mind the numerous applicable general orders, special orders, dept. notices, legal bulletins etc.
Officers. your life is cheapened by some law school graduate with a blue set of general orders in his hand dissecting the order and its application in his prestigious legal penthouse on LaSalle Street. Maybe this attorney should face the families of the involved officers and give them some bullshit legal theories that the lives and physical well being of their family members don’t matter and society’s bad boys, who made the conscientious decision to choose flight from prosecution, are somehow elevated over society’s peacekeepers.
Curious, I wasn't there...
But,it looks as if the officers were firing to prevent death or serious bodily harm to officers or citizens who couldn't get out of the way of that 4500 pound projectile if it kept moving.
They were now forcible felons when they showed blatant and reckless disregard for anyone's safety when the crashed blindly through that door.
Criminals should not profit from their crime. Why should any jury give THEIR money to these mopes as proceeds from their burglary.
If a trial does come I am sure that this Hagarty will try to exclude any evidence of the burglary itself and try to bury the criminal records of these mopes as deep as Obama's school records.
Apparently too many people looked at the case report involving the mayors kid and now the superintendent is all pissy over it. He wants to jackpot anyone that even looked at that report that was not directly involved in the case regardless if you disseminated it or not. Sounds like a losing proposition since the order does not state anything about just looking at a report, just disseminating it to non law enforcement or outside the dept. What if I worked in 019 and wanted to see the offenders description and wanted to look out for these guys? You are preventing people from doing their jobs. We are still the police right? Sounds like we're not. Gotta go my school counselor is calling me.
Anonymous said...
(OT) Its Friday no retro any big changes? Whose getting moved?
1/16/2015 12:13:00 PM
I'll lend you twenty bucks till you get your retro. Will that keep your yapper shut for a while?
Anonymous said...
eh, I rather read about a guy getting sued that being the guy getting sued. Hence the reason I dont go lights and sirens to bs calls, only to 10-1s.
Remember guys... be the 2nd or 3rd car on scene, no paper.
1/16/2015 12:31:00 AM
You sound like about 75% of the old timers on my watch. You need to work in the lockup or the desk with your attitude.
Where are the new captains going?
Sad news. The officer everyone has been looking for city and countywide from 016 who left his home with only his car and gun yesterday morning has been found deceased this afternoon in Niles by suicide. Please people, reach out to friends, family, eap, or anybody you are comfortable with... They will never turn you down, think less of you or make fun of you because you are experiencing problems. Suicide is a long term solution for short time problems. Rest in peace and my sincere condolences to his family.
(OT) wouldn't this be a strong arm robbery?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-police-warn-of-thefts-on-cta-trains-at-wilson-stop-20150115-story.html
Killing crime chIcago style? Cooking the books?
1/16/2015 06:23:00 AM
No, that is a theft if simply grabbed from the victim's hand. And I've surprisingly gotten felony charges approved before!
I heard January 20th for retro!
The lawyer in this case messed up big time. He only named the city as plantiff in the lawsuit. He attempted to refuel and name the officers individually but the statute of limitations had passed and it's too late. That is why he is trying to tarnish the officers involved.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"when the vehicle is the only force used…sworn members will move out of the vehicle’s path."
...as the driver COMES AFTER YOU in an ever-increasing number of police-hate incidents...
"Will," huh? "Move to" WHERE in 1/2 second with your back against a wall?
* Rewrite time
* Shotgun time
1/16/2015 10:44:00 AM
Seriously!
The wiggle-room for the department AND lawyers to negatively interpret the officer safety aspect of the G.O.'s is fucking obnoxious!
The Use of Force Module is ok but the agenda riding Prog-Tards and the Catered To Constituents desperately want "Duty To Retreat" to be inserted.
We can see "Duty To Retreat" becoming a muni ordinance
"Officers will not unnecessarily endanger themselves to adhere to these orders..."
Among other "cute" stuff that a combative eye discerns...
OK... And when The Police do their thing, everybody is floppin', cryin' and axin' da sky whyin'?
"Y'all ain't havta shoot 'em THAT HARD an' da law say y'all ain't got permission to shoot at cars anyway!"
The mutts truly believe this shit!
CUE: Yet another poor slob of a Policeman sitting at Corpse Counsel crying on the inside as he fills out that famous form set that compels a declaration of any and all he has in this world...
Locker room and blog blow hardiness & swing-dickery about you're a pussy who needs to quit the job if you're concerned about being sued?
Pay those loud, ignorant, boastful, "Hey look at me!" Police God goofs no mind.
"GRAARR! Ya pussies! I've been sued XXX times and I'm still standing! Now buy me a drink ya scared little pee-pee-yo!"
It's BEEN a new fucking day, they don't/won't get it but they want everybody to be in the ditch o' misery with them.
Survival and self-preservation first and foremost.
Make yourselves hard targets for the public, media and administration. Don't give them your six...
Police like you have no friends.
Really hoping these Officers come out of this ok and these filthy mutts and their lawyers get not a penny of taxpayer money.
Cuthbert, Shakespeare wrote that because in Henry the VIII, if the lawyers weren't disposed of, the king couldn't be overthrown. In other words, the lawyers protected the law.
6:19, "lawyers taking care of lawyers"; just like cops take care of cops, right? "RO didn't see anything." Sound familiar?
All you PO's whine about lawyers until your ass is over a barrel and you need one. Then you shut up and motherfuck us when your PRB or lawsuit is over. Fuck you!
Lets say the burglars got a settlement. How about Lisa Madigan’s office seek a re-payment for all the taxpayer supported child care from birth to date from these proud daddies like the hospital childbirth expenses, the LINK, the healthcare etc. After all, if you owe for a water bill, parking tickets, unpaid income taxes etc., wouldn’t the sate city do their best to collect leaving no stone unturned taking their portion giving back to the state or rightful owners? How about past victims in their previous résumé of crimes? Would past victims be eligible for compensation for their emotional distress? What about those hit it and run baby mamas who haven’t collected from the non-productive thug daddy? Shouldn’t they get a bite of the baby author’s money? What about a bill for the housing and meals at Cook County Jail and I.D.O.C., the public defenders costs and any and all costs associated for past criminal behavior to be paid helping bring down those massive deficits in local and sate government?
There is a distinct between a vehicle coming at you and a vehicle being used in furtherance of a commission of a crime as a deadly weapon. The former is what the G.O. ,IMO, was meant to address; whereas the later has to do with Use of Force and protection of life.
Flame suit on.
They have done this for many decades. This is how they funnel money back into the Democratic party.
No big changes. Just small ones
Betts from Capt school to Cmdr 015
Kusinski promoted to Capt/XO of 015
Daly from XO 005 to XO Area Cent Dix
Harmon promoted to Capt/XO 008
Lajewski promoted to Capt/XO 025
Piggot from XO Academy to XO 005
Saldana promoted to Capt/XO 003
Sanchez fr XO 025 to XO 004
Walsh from XO 008 to XO area S Dix
Wedster from XO 004 to Inspector
Anonymous said...
eh, I rather read about a guy getting sued that being the guy getting sued. Hence the reason I dont go lights and sirens to bs calls, only to 10-1s.
Remember guys... be the 2nd or 3rd car on scene, no paper.
1/16/2015 12:31:00 AM
So who takes primary then? If we all take your advice.
Van or no van, i would be just fine with the cops shooting them because they broke into a store and were stealing.
Hold over language from the Hillard era. Surprised it took this long for a bambalance chaser to catch on.
Only in America!
eh, I rather read about a guy getting sued that being the guy getting sued. Hence the reason I dont go lights and sirens to bs calls, only to 10-1s.
Remember guys... be the 2nd or 3rd car on scene, no paper.
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Another Lazy Dog
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Ha ha ha.....
Hold me down for a uniform adjustment in 008. I work in 004. You guys are so silly, these area have been shitholes since the early 70s, you going lights and sirens, locking up assholes is not going to change a thing.
I don't see how someone is offended by what I do, if you want to go to calls, go ahead. Just don't expect to give me the report to do when I show up. Squad hold me down in the station, it will take me a few hours to know out this report, while your at it, hold me down for lunch too.
OT,
It's gonna, hit 40 degrees tomorrow. The rats will be out in droves! Thankfully, Winter Wonderfest ended a couple days ago. I guess they will just have, to prey on innocent shoppers and tourists on the Mag Mile.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
(OT) Its Friday no retro any big changes? Whose getting moved?
1/16/2015 12:13:00 PM
Retro held up for three weeks. keep paying the late fees on the credit card. HUGE moves coming next week after Leo becomes the ISP Director. A complete reshuffle of the deck including commanders in units going to patrol and visa-versa. Gene Roy going to 007 (the community has already accepted a white commander). Salemme going to 022. Godsell back up north to 019. Waldera to airport and Argenbright finally getting a district (024). You heard it here first. Always happy to give SCC the "scoops"!
Cops and citizens can countersue.
The Union used to help coppers countersued, and collect. Any old timers care to comment?
Thought the order said something about move out of the way if possible but if the vehicle is being used as a weapon you can shoot the driver. Am I wrong on this?
Do they even have legal citizenship here in estates un nidos?
Wedster from XO 004 to Inspector
1/16/2015 07:24:00 PM
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Just in time for the next Billy Joel arrival at Midway for his concert at Wrigley Field!!
What a joke she is.
Piggot from XO Academy to XO 005
1/16/2015 07:24:00 PM
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Be careful of this a@@hole!
He'd F over his mother given the chance.
And, certainly not as smart as he'd like you all to believe!
Saldana promoted to Capt/XO 003
1/16/2015 07:24:00 PM
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Nice guy but hasn't worked in a district in a couple decades!
Meaning: He's a career house mouse!
I saw the tv newscast of this lawsuit. It sounded like total BS to me. CPD, please know the good citizens of Chicago like me fully support your hard work. I am sorry you don't hear this more often.
Anonymous said...
"All you PO's whine about lawyers until your ass is over a barrel and you need one. Then you shut up and motherfuck us when your PRB or lawsuit is over. Fuck you!"
1/16/2015 05:34:00 PM
STFU you lick-hitter with a law degree...
If you don't like being the topic of conversation then don't sit by the fucking door of a place where your eyes are sure to water and your ears will surely burn.
You must be a glutton for punishment...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Cuthbert, Shakespeare wrote that because in Henry the VIII, if the lawyers weren't disposed of, the king couldn't be overthrown. In other words, the lawyers protected the law.
6:19, "lawyers taking care of lawyers"; just like cops take care of cops, right? "RO didn't see anything." Sound familiar?
All you PO's whine about lawyers until your ass is over a barrel and you need one. Then you shut up and motherfuck us when your PRB or lawsuit is over. Fuck you!
1/16/2015 05:34:00 PM
Lowlife lawyers were mentioned in the comment. Feel the comment was about you?
Oh and a "Fuck you" too!
Ha ha ha.....
Hold me down for a uniform adjustment in 008. I work in 004. You guys are so silly, these area have been shitholes since the early 70s, you going lights and sirens, locking up assholes is not going to change a thing.
I don't see how someone is offended by what I do, if you want to go to calls, go ahead. Just don't expect to give me the report to do when I show up. Squad hold me down in the station, it will take me a few hours to know out this report, while your at it, hold me down for lunch too.
You probably don't even work a beat car because your a two faced.. B*tch who is working in blue jeans because he knows someone......now go find me a one bagger you TOOL and BLOW ME!
(My thoughts)
"Perhaps that attorney should further his defense to include policy that when the police are being shot at, to continually, merely step out of the way and dodge the bullet(s).
Better yet, pull a Houdini and catch them in your teeth."
(Plagiarized from SCC)
"Asshat."
Sad news. The officer everyone has been looking for city and countywide from 016 who left his home with only his car and gun yesterday morning has been found deceased this afternoon in Niles by suicide. Please people, reach out to friends, family, eap, or anybody you are comfortable with... They will never turn you down, think less of you or make fun of you because you are experiencing problems. Suicide is a long term solution for short time problems. Rest in peace and my sincere condolences to his family.
1/16/2015 03:32:00 PM
He had other "long term" problems of the legal type. He made some bad decisions and took the easy out. I pray for his family. Not so much for him.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
There is a distinct between a vehicle coming at you and a vehicle being used in furtherance of a commission of a crime as a deadly weapon. The former is what the G.O. ,IMO, was meant to address; whereas the later has to do with Use of Force and protection of life.
Flame suit on.
1/16/2015 06:23:00 PM
You're incorrect. (No flaming necessary.) You're wrong.
Saw on Chicago Tonite Wilson answers to the Trib Editors questions were incomplete and grammatically incorrect. He is perfect for mayor.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT: John KASS is no friend to the police
His "Cops leave trial into killing" is a perfect example of an anti-police hit-piece.
How do u know anyone made a joke? You yourself even state you couldn't hear what was said, or even who said it.
Despite that....you state "men laughing, cops laughing"
Check it out SCC readers, then check out the comment section that KASS inspired.
KASS a friend of the police? No fucking way
1/16/2015 08:34:00 AM
Police responses to the above posting.
Uhh,........there were none.
I remember when that order came out, "when a vehicle is approaching you head on your to get out of the way".
You couldnt make this shit up.
Newly appointed inspectors son is very eager to please
If Saldana is going to 003, where will they put Capt Loughran when he comes back from FBI national academy?
video will hurt them, looks like amatuer hour, midnights in 010, at the time, allowed 18 month wonders to work plain clothes cars. 6 at a time. that was pena's doing.
Where did that idiot go to law school. University of Chicago?
Enjoy!
POLICE HARASSMENT
Chula Vista, California PD e-mail forum with the local community. A civilian posed the following question:
"I would like to know how it is possible for police officers to continually harass people and get away with it?"
From the "other side" (LE side) Sgt. Bennett, obviously a cop with a sense of humor replied:
"First of all, let me tell you this... it's not easy. In Chula Vista, we average one cop for every 600 people.
Only about 60% of those cops are on general duty (or what you might refer to as "patrol") where we do most of our harassing. The rest are in non-harassing departments that do not allow them contact with the day to day innocents. At any given moment, only one-fifth of the 60% patrollers are on duty and available for harassing people while the rest are off duty.
So roughly, one cop is responsible for harassing about 5,000 residents. When you toss in the commercial business, and tourist locations that attract people from other areas, sometimes you have a situation where a single cop is responsible for harassing 10,000 or more people a day. Now, your average ten-hour shift runs 36,000 seconds long. This gives a cop one second to harass a person, and then only three-fourths of a second to eat a donut AND then find a new person to harass. bThis is not an easy task. To be honest, most cops are not up to this challenge day in and day out. It is just too tiring.
What we do is utilize some tools to help us narrow down those people which we can realistically harass.
The tools available to us are as follow:
PHONE: People will call us up and point out things that cause us to focus on a person for special harassment.
"My neighbor is beating his wife" is a code phrase used often. This means we'll come out and give somebody some special harassment.
Another popular one: "There's a guy breaking into a house." The harassment team is then put into action.
CARS: We have special cops assigned to harass people who drive. They like to harass the drivers of fast cars, cars with no insurance or no driver's licenses and the like. It's lots of fun when you pick them out of traffic for nothing more obvious than running a red light. Sometimes you get to really heap the harassment on when you find they have drugs in the car, they are drunk, or have an outstanding warrant on file.
RUNNERS: Some people take off running just at the sight of a police officer. Nothing is quite as satisfying as running after them like a beagle on the scent of a bunny. When you catch them you can harass them for hours to determine why they didn't want to talk to us.
STATUTES: When we don't have PHONES or CARS and have nothing better to do, there are actually books that give us ideas for reasons to harass folks. They are called "Statutes"; Criminal Codes, Motor Vehicle Codes, etc...They all spell out all sorts of things for which you can really mess with people.
After you read the statute, you can just drive around for awhile until you find someone violating one of these listed offenses and harass them. Just last week I saw a guy trying to steal a car. Well, there's this book we have that says that's not allowed. That meant I got permission to harass this guy. It's a really cool system that we've set up, and it works pretty well.
We seem to have a never-ending supply of folks to harass. And we get away with it. Why? Because for the good citizens who pay the tab, we try to keep the streets safe for them, and they pay us to "harass" some people. Next time you are in my town, give me the old "single finger wave." That's another one of those codes. It means, "You can't harass me." It's one of our favorites.
Hopefully sir, this has clarified to you a little bit better how we harass the good citizens of Chula Vista.
-- Gerald Schmitz
Anonymous said...
Sad news. The officer everyone has been looking for city and countywide from 016 who left his home with only his car and gun yesterday morning has been found deceased this afternoon in Niles by suicide. Please people, reach out to friends, family, eap, or anybody you are comfortable with... They will never turn you down, think less of you or make fun of you because you are experiencing problems. Suicide is a long term solution for short time problems. Rest in peace and my sincere condolences to his family.
1/16/2015 03:32:00 PM
He had other "long term" problems of the legal type. He made some bad decisions and took the easy out. I pray for his family. Not so much for him.
1/17/2015 08:31:00 AM
I can't believe you. Don't you have a heart? Whatever issues he may have had or whatever "long term" issues he may have had, an officer killed himself. For the love of humanity can all of us cops just feel sorry for this cop? He was still a fellow officer fellow worker and a family member. Even if you hated this officer is it really necessary to insult him in public like this? Shame on you.
I can't believe you. Don't you have a heart? Whatever issues he may have had or whatever "long term" issues he may have had, an officer killed himself. For the love of humanity can all of us cops just feel sorry for this cop? He was still a fellow officer fellow worker and a family member. Even if you hated this officer is it really necessary to insult him in public like this? Shame on you.
1/17/2015 10:33:00 PM
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You'll find most police officers very lacking in the sympathy department for "short-eyes."
Shut up about it and let it die.
That order needs to be rewritten.
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