Monday, March 30, 2015

Discuss the 10-Hour Day Pilot (UPDATES)

So the more we read and hear about the 10-hour day, the less we think the full story is being told. We've talked to people who like it, aside from the start times. We've talked to people who hate it, especially the start times. We have comments popping up about what people have said at the FOP meeting:
  • At a recent FOP meeting The unit Rep from 014 spoke about FOP endorsing people that Dean didn't personally agree about and then he asked for the unit rep from 5 to speak about the challenges of the 10.5 hour day. Two people from 5 came up and layed out the entire disaster of start times.
The FOP is usually silent about the whole process. This leads to questions, speculations, rumors. And a few of these rumors have reached our ears via e-mail. Like what exactly is the relationship between Dean Angelo and Don O'Neil, the now-civilian head of Management and Labor Affairs? Did they really grow up neighbors?

In the meantime, it's time for a serious discussion about the 10-hour day. And the way to do that is knowing what you're discussing. We made this (click for a larger version):


That is the current, recent past and piloted schedules as near as we can determine them. We ran it through one entire cycle of days off
  • The far right column is hours worked in a calendar week;
  • the week listed as "R" is a "repeat" of the first week so you can compare;
  • the bottom right corner is an average of hours worked in a single week
From our standpoint, the 4-2 (top) was far preferable over the 6-2 (middle) schedule in that you went from 14 days off in a 49 days period to 14 days off in a 42 day cycle. This despite the slight increase of two hours a week on average. The big deal was eliminating the sixth-day and the associated burnout. The sixth-day was brutal. We don't recall if there was an actual study, but the stories of increased traffic crashes, CR's initiated, and assorted other mishaps were prevalent throughout the Department.

The 10-hour pilot seems to have an advantage in RDOs (21/42) over the 4-2 (14/42), but there are three weeks in a row where you're working 52.5 hours - 10 hours over the current average and 3 hours over the old 6-day work week that was so brutal in the first place.

It's going to come down to two things - start times and percentages.
  • currently, the start times aren't so hot, but McCarthy isn't in the mood to take any input from mere Chicago coppers. We posted the rumor a few days ago that the Chief of Patrol was told to get on board or get out. God forbid someone who spent their career here have any insight.
  • percentage-wise, it's going to be approximately 40-60 split between days and nights. McCarthy (and Rahm) want to eliminate an entire watch. That's going to reduce the available numbers for each watch. Example:
    • 100 cops in district - 40 on days, 60 on nights
    • cut 32% of the manpower and you have:
    • 68 cops in district - 27 on days, 33 on nights - give or take
    • expand or contract as totals dictate
Day people are going to be battling for start times (which the city won't let you bid - otherwise, how will they fuck with you to keep you in line?) and the night watch is going to be picking up the busiest times plus they have to work all of the midnight watch. That's going to take a lot of adjusting.

If you're a southsider working north or vice versa, you aren't going to want to be attending branch court on your day off - you're going to be wanting to recover from that 52 hours week and travel time. Furlough just got a little shorter (unless you bid your day off correctly, a longshot given that furlough-by-watch is cutting a lot of options).

A lot of things that need to be addressed. Pardon us for having an opinion, but we're trying to give everyone a bit of our thoughts here. One would hope that the FOP and PBPA would be having near monthly meetings to hash out hiccups in the schedule seeing as how it's going to be here sooner than you think.

UPDATE: Someone is claiming that we actually work four-52.5 hour weeks in a row. Not by the calendar week, which runs Sunday through Saturday. However, that fourth week of 5 days in a row does overlap onto the fifth week, which is kind of a fourth working session of 52.5 hours before the short weeks kick in. This is one of those, "while technically correct, it isn't quite as it seems." We can only do so much, and we grant that the reader has a valid point.

We're just going by the raw numbers to get some discussion started since the FOP seems incapable of it.

UPDATE: We have deleted a grand total of TWO comments so far. One was claiming something about this is a 6 day schedule (it isn't), and a second that claimed this isn't the 10-hour schedule without citing anything as an example. We've read the order. You can read it, too, with all the associated start times and day-off-groups. It's online and you can get it at home. If we misinterpreted some portion of it, please politely point it out. Frothing at the mouth loons won't be taken seriously.

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170 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's a whole lot of domestic bulls hit baby momma drama in the ghetto.

3/30/2015 12:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For all of you that think the 10 hour days are a good thing, think again, I worked them and that sucked. We need to make it known to the fop that we don't want the 10 hours.

3/30/2015 12:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am on the best schedule ever devised. The 0-7. After years at 6-2 and couple of years of 4-2, I retired and the 0-7 is the best.

3/30/2015 12:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The 4-2 schedule is just fine. 10 hour schedule is too long in a fast district. I can speak from experience. Activity will decrease with longer work days in my opinion.

3/30/2015 12:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sad that you did more research than Mr New Yawk Gary.

Rahm needs this to go through to hire more bodies.

Don't expect the Dick's at the Area to get a taste of this because nobody would bid to area south.
Area Central has become the shithole of the Detective Division.

15 people bid out 5 bid in!
Nobody in Detective class at the academy wants to work homicides!

Dean still can't endorse anyone but he would save Rahm millions in OT.

So what would city give for this???
How about all the management spots on promotions?

Alot of moving parts to follow.

3/30/2015 12:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

10 hour days with 3 watches fine, better start time options.
10 hour days with only 2 watches no good, less officers, more work, less pension money.
12 hour days for law enforcement any better than 10? To me, it seems a bit too much for law enforcement. Those are some long fucking days in the city. Not cruising around some suburb fucking with the taxpayers.

I'm on to them and will be voting no. But of course I work with a bunch of people who voted for shields, then dean, and now the contract. But they don't care about tomorrow, only today.

3/30/2015 12:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dean sux. He's Rahms little puppet. He's on disability so he doesn't care. That's why you should never vote a retiree as president.

3/30/2015 12:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Correction we work 52.5 for 4 weeks in a row!

3/30/2015 12:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fuck 10 hour days. 4-2 is just fine. Can work a side job and go to court no problem.

3/30/2015 12:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Someone chip in on this...does the 10 hr schedule leave less officers out on the street? The 10 hr schedule has 7 day off groups and on any given day there are 3 days off groups that are RDO. The current schedule has 6 DOG's and on any given day 2 DOG's are RDO. Assuming 100 officers are assigned to a district under both schedules, this means that approximately 42 officers would be RDO under the 10 hr schedule and 33 officers would be RDO under the current schedule.

Having said that, if the city eliminates the # of officers assigned to an entire watch, then the 10 hr schedule would leave even less officers out on the street.

3/30/2015 12:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What are the start times?

3/30/2015 01:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Furlo might be shorter but think of the things you could accomplish with 3 and 4 day weekends . A 4 day + 1 or 2 over Christmas or in July .
I like more than 2 days off in a row and waiting till furlo don't cut it .

3/30/2015 01:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FOP representative said it was all rumor. Yeah right.

3/30/2015 01:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Furl by watch turned into one big scam. Several cry babies in our district got dumped to midnights picked a good furl then cried about how hard it is and the bosses put them back on afternoons. They barely saw a month on midnights. No bids were even posted. I can only imagine the crying when the 10hr day hits.

3/30/2015 01:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This will suck. But its a race to the bottom, with all this bad management and bad ideas. The time officers spend on the medical will increase. The way this department treats people, it will be hard to get good candidates.

3/30/2015 01:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I like the schedule. It's nice to have weekends again.

3/30/2015 01:47:00 AM  
Blogger I Fart In Your General Direction said...

I'd be willing to give the 10.5 hour days a shot if it were ultimately determined that we can bid for start times. Just like (ostensibly) the use of compensatory time is now seniority-based, so too should start times if we were all to go to 10.5 hour days. Hell, DOGs were bid for in implementing the 10.5's, so there's no reason start times can't also. Otherwise, just leave us with the 8 1/2 hour day. It works just fine.

But no need to get everyone's panties in a bunch over this topic just yet:

there exists some really strong intel that the PBPA's blessing must be obtained before this can be implemented citywide. And supervisory input from 005 is that this schedule is a resounding failure, particularly from the fellas and ladies on days. Anyone there care to confirm? Refute?

At times, the severe lack of manpower on days has the entire district being patrolled by no more than 3 to 4 cars for a period of several hours. Now take one or two cars out of the mix for an arrest, court or involved job and you have a recipe for disaster. Enter the next-to-last section of the order:

VII. PILOT PROGRAM EVALUATION
A pilot program evaluation committee will be established by the Department relative to this program. The committee will meet as needed and make recommendations to continue, expand, modify, or terminate this pilot program under the direction of the Chief, Bureau of Patrol. The committee will review the effectiveness of the pilot program and evaluate personnel and operational matters, including:
A. personnel assignments, overtime earned, and medical roll use.
B. supervisory oversight and accountability.
C. changes to reported crime conditions, dispatched calls for service, and radio assignments pending (RAPs) situations.

This schedule is dead in the water, and won't see implementation past where it's at currently. Then there's buzz that McBoozer is exploring ways to get rid of it before the end of the school year. It seems he's sweating all the little Democratic darlings roaming the streets doing what they do best once school's out for the summer. Only problem? The logistical genie is out of the bottle regarding furloughs, days worked, etcetera to revert back to the 4 & 2 schedule midstream.

Chalk this one up under the "Typical CPD Clusterfuck" column. This is what happens when those that have never lived in the real world are tasked with setting policy for the rest of us.

3/30/2015 01:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I tried it with an open mind. And I have a start time that works. The days are noticeably longer and take its toll on the body. 4 and 2 is the way to go. Best schedule I worked.

3/30/2015 02:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oneels job is to come out with directectives that violate the contract. He knows that almost all the police won't grieve it so he wins in screwing us. If by a long shot some one does grieve it and his buddy dean decides to take up the fight (doubtfully) and fop wins. O'neel doesnt really lose his worst case senario is he has to follow the contract. However deano recently snuck in language in the contract that says in almost every major category that we will follow the departments detectives. Thus making it ok to come up directives that tuck us. Such as the work schedule. So if o'Neel writes a directive that says 10 hour days for everyone two watches then that's what it will be per our contract the sheeple voted for. There doesn't need to be a discussion by FOp. We were already there baited and switched by them. Just like time due. Per the contract they don't have to ever give u another day off if they don't feel like it. Thanks Deeno. U jag!

3/30/2015 02:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not a fan of this, I'm just a applicant hopping to accomplish my goal of becoming a chicago police officer and I believe if this is implemented city wide that will slow down hiring of new officers, because than the people in power will say there's enough police patrolling the streets and that's less officers paying into
the pension. It's not good for the safety of officers either, after 8 or 9 hours of dealing with a lot of jobs you body and mind will be stressed out and tired and hopefully no one becomes combative with the officers when that happens. It's a F***ing diaster waiting to happen.

TO EVERY FIRST RESPONDER OUT THERE STAY SAFE AND MAY GOD BLESS YOU

3/30/2015 02:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've worked the 10hr days when MSF was around and it was amazing. Amazing only bc I wasn't bogged down by the radio answering calls the entire tour. I had the freedom. 10hr days should never be allowed for beat cars!! Officers will have no personal time for family. Yes, four days off is great but again, 10hr days is not for a beat car. The negatives greatly outweigh the positives in my opinion.

3/30/2015 02:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Question:

What do you do when there is an emergency and it's "All Hands On Deck!" like 9/11 in NYC?

If you lose an entire shift, where is your extra coverage to flood the streets?

3/30/2015 02:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Per the contract I receive 25 working furlo days, which equals 200 hours, with a 10 hour day that equals 20 days. So now I have to come up with 50 comp time hours to get my contractual vacation time. doesn't sound good to me.

3/30/2015 02:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you are single and like to travel this schedule rocks. If not then it sucks for family time on the days you work.

3/30/2015 02:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why do the police pay union dues. It seems like the city does what ever it wants.

3/30/2015 03:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does such a drastic change in schedule have to be agreed upon by FOP and its members?
Has Dean and the boys become a rubber stamp for Rahm and McNumbnuts??

Obviously Rahm and McNumbnuts couldn't care less about how this affects us or our families if it accomplishes their goals then as McNumbnuts says" get on board or get out of the way". Gee that sounds a lot like the way Rahm operates..... his way or the highway.

3/30/2015 03:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fuck 10.5 hours!! I have a life and it is not cpd. Started in 01 with 6-2. Then went over to tru with 10 hours which I hated. Then back to patrol with 4-2 which is the best. Now possibly going back to 10.5 hours. So 13 years on and 3 different schedules changes. How come nobody messes with cfd schedules???? Now maybe people in my district realize why I max out deferred comp and invest so much. Ewwwwww an extra 32 days off a year, grow up and use some comp time!

3/30/2015 04:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Scc I work in 005...we work 5 on and 3 off for 3 weeks,,,then 5 on and 4 off for 1 week,,then ..4 on and 4 off for two weeks...no technicality.. we work 52.5 hours for four weeks in a row..its a mess...I cant wait until safe passage and the schools get out because I don't hit the bricks until 1700...its gonna be a nightmare

3/30/2015 04:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Revolversaurus (ret) said...

My two cents worth? If you redefine the historic model of law enforcement and then make the job (no longer a career) so unappealing that men and women of even nominal intelligence will not be drawn to the ranks, a case could be made for:
A) a national police entity or
B) the institution of a military type draft of individuals residing within the corporate boundaries of affected municipalities.
Honor and esprit de corps are consciously and deliberately being stripped from our once proud profession. We know where the blame lies for this, we know who are to blame for its demise and when they have succeeded they stand back and blame their victims for the damage THEY have intentionally caused.

3/30/2015 04:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bring them on. I wont know what to do with 4 days off.

And its 21/49. Still phenomenal.

3/30/2015 05:09:00 AM  
Anonymous The Truth said...

Consider the 10.5 hour day nothing more than a tacit admission of decades of criminal mismanagement by the Daley and Emanuel regimes which has resulted in a woefully understaffed department and a defacto declaration of eventual diminished pension benefits.

But you assholes are content with a retro check and a few extra days off a month.

If you haven't done so already, be sure to cast your ballot for Rahm... again.

Sheeple.

3/30/2015 05:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1.what r the start times?
2.can I work 99?

3/30/2015 05:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No for the following reasons:

1.) It makes elder care and child care very difficult and impossible in some situations. You are also screwed if you have a business, side job, or go to school.

2.) They will use this to reduce our numbers further, watch. Less working coppers = faster pension bankruptcy.

3.) The hours blow, no matter which way you slice them.

4-2 is the most reasonable schedule.

3/30/2015 05:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This schedule is going to be the biggest ass-fucking the patrol division will ever have received in the history of this department. My heart goes out to each and every member of this department from captains on down. This is all about saving city hall money and nothing to do with the physical and psychological well being of the officers or their families not to mention morale. The current president of the FOP is currently in bed with this administration and could not have been a worse pick to represent the Chicago Police rank and file. Believe it or not (and I'm no fan of Shields)there will come a day when members will say "Mike Shields was a great president of the FOP in comparison to Dean Angelo" in that at least Shields didn't sell out the membership. This ship is sinking so fast and this jack-off Mcfuckstick and Angelo are running this department full speed ahead into the biggest rock hard mountain of shit imaginable. May God help the CPD because we are going to need it.

3/30/2015 05:50:00 AM  
Blogger 30 pending and what said...

OK so you get less beauty sleep, but you get 9 more days off a month. And what are you gonna do extra in that hr and a half. Nothing. Yes it suck for family people, but it always sucked for family people. You either go to days early or midnights late. Either way it doesn't matter BC the city is gonna do it, if they have it planned to do, whether we like or not. When except for the 4/2 did the city do something that benefited us. Never. Just get ready BC its coming. Frankly I welcome it

3/30/2015 05:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I did the 10 hour schedule pilot in 2005. When we first started the pilot it was third watch/midnights 1800-0400 which was brutal, they finally changed it to 1400-0000 and that ended up being tolerable. The days off are best advantage to this schedule. Overall its less days/time commuting to work which makes up for the longer work week in my opinion. However I worked this before I had kids and family issues to deal with.

What are the start times for this on 3 watches?

3/30/2015 06:05:00 AM  
Blogger Mr. SouthSide said...

Deano is not to be trusted.

3/30/2015 06:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We need to say no to the ten hour day for one reason: it will eliminate an entire shift. That means one third less officers paying into our pension and in our union.

Also, I used to work 10 hour days in a prior job. You think it's great. 1. But believe me, it exhausts you. 2. On the days you work, you get no time to do anything. All you do is work, sleep, get up and go to work. On the days you work, you can not do the laundry, clean your house, fix the car, go to the dentist, etc. 3. Then on your three days off, you have to catch up on all of those tasks you missed during the work week. Now you have an avalanche of tasks to do like visit the dentist, get your car fixed, do the laundry, etc... 4. If you have kids then life will be even more miserable.

3/30/2015 06:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The 10hr day is the only reason I'm voting for chuy. Whoever wants this is crazy either you hate your family or you're single. Why stop at the 10.5 why not do 12hrs where do you draw line? 4 on 2 off is fine leave it alone.

3/30/2015 06:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

2 minor things after working both the 10-hour day in 005 and TRU. It only takes 3 weeks to get back to your weekends. Also you having less days to work in a given year means less time you have to spend driving and less gas money. I know these aren't amazing things, but sometimes the little things make up. Yes the start times do suck.

3/30/2015 07:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please no, just don't do it.

3/30/2015 07:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have never worked it but would love the chance. The only issue I see is the late start time on afternoons should be bidable for midnight officers and so others dont have to work it.

3/30/2015 07:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's why I don't go to court. I don't write movers and will only arrest upon a signed complaint. The courts throw everything out anyway, so why bother.

3/30/2015 07:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We as the police are always thinking the grass is greener over there isn't it? Stop and think for a minute. Do you really want to volunteer to get yourself into a situation where you are going to be working more hours. The 4 and 2's are the best we are going to get. Don't screw this up.

3/30/2015 07:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

stick with 4-2. Do you know how any a triage were saved by switching to that schedule. Hard to be the other half when your spouse is working 55 hrs a week.

3/30/2015 07:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If they go to the ten hour days there are not going to be any early ducks. And think of the start times how would you like to start at 1900 and get off at 0530hrs. Oh yeah, guess what, you have to be in court at 0900hrs. Enjoy. Does that sound good in any way? This is what the afternoon watch will resemble. Let's hang on to what we have.

3/30/2015 07:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what are the start times?

3/30/2015 07:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Downsizing, downsizing, downsizing..... Since Rahm took over we are minus 3 districts, 2 areas, the budgeted amount of department positions was slash around 1200-1500. Now they want to eliminate an entire watch, stick 60% of coppers on midnights for over half their career, and make you work 52 hours 4 weeks in a row.... We think they are doing us a favor because we get 3 days off per week.... Look at the big picture please!

3/30/2015 07:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

these hours really suck. Why do they have to punish us??

3/30/2015 07:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The schedule for the 10 hour days looks flawed. You would get 3, four day weekends in a row. TFSS, FSSM and SSMT. Then 4 weeks of 3 days off in a row before your week ends came around again. With the 3 and 4 days off each week it all works out at the end of the period as far as total hours worked. We had this schedule for quite a few years in Area South 95% of us would not even consider going back to the 6&2 or 4&2 schedule. Imagine 3 days off every week and then 3 four day weekends in a row. The start times were a problem for a few with getting the kids off to school. Everyone seemed to have adjusted to it just fine after the first period.

3/30/2015 07:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

set up a poll. login into with your pc#. Guarantee 10 hours loses.

3/30/2015 07:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You asked for it you got it......

3/30/2015 08:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How will all this effect VRI?

3/30/2015 08:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My opinion is that if the 10 hr day goes citywide, many will retire. I for one run a side business, along with a family that I am involved with. My personal life comes first and will weigh heavily on my decision to stay or go. If I stay, my thought, like many others is I will ride it out and sleep in the car for as long as I need to. The department creates this issue.

3/30/2015 08:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

◦68 cops in district - 27 on days, 33 on nights - give or take


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must have gone to public school

3/30/2015 08:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

10 hours the first step to 12. then why not 14 or 18? You got nothing better to do!

3/30/2015 08:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can burn 40hrs and get atwelve day baby furlough.

3/30/2015 08:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

10 hr day is too long working a beat car. After 6 or 7 hrs, one gets burnt out dealing with assholes. I can't imagine dealing with assholes for 10 hrs. I foresee CR's going up and an increase in medical usage.

3/30/2015 08:49:00 AM  
Blogger SCC said...

Anonymous said...

◦68 cops in district - 27 on days, 33 on nights - give or take
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must have gone to public school


=-=-=-=-=-

It's called a proportion moron. It makes it easier for people to do the math - you know, like we said in the line right below that one..."expand or contract as totals indicate."

You must have actually failed Chicago Public Schools. Asshat.

3/30/2015 08:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Remember the days when we worked the 28 day schedule with 3 watches. We had watch parties! Man, everyone had a good time, people loved the job, best job in the world.

3/30/2015 08:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To everyone that wants 10 hr days:

Anyone with less than 15 yrs in ghetto districts will most likely be put on 3rd/1st watch with the earliest ending time @ 0330 hrs for most of you.

Less than 15 but more than 10 yrs and you'll be getting off work @ 0630 hrs.

Even in slower districts you may need 20 + yrs to get days.

Just something for everyone to think about....

I'd hate to be young on this job now, especially of you get the shitty start times and see no end in sight.

EB

3/30/2015 08:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok, let the flaming begin, but isn't OT due if one works over 40 hours a week?

3/30/2015 08:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

when is this going to start? This year? Next year?

3/30/2015 08:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

I am on the best schedule ever devised. The 0-7. After years at 6-2 and couple of years of 4-2, I retired and the 0-7 is the best.

3/30/2015 12:29:00 AM

I agree,same schedule as you but I find that I'm having a hard time making it in for checkoff on time.

3/30/2015 08:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

lets just do now so we can get this crash and burn over with.

3/30/2015 09:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
For all of you that think the 10 hour days are a good thing, think again, I worked them and that sucked. We need to make it known to the fop that we don't want the 10 hours.

3/30/2015 12:28:00 AM

Well 85% love the extra days off. So get back in the wagon and hide all tour long.

3/30/2015 09:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here are the hours.



Day Shift:

10 Sector - Squadrol - Rapids 0530 hours 1600 hours

20 Sector - Rapids 0700 hours 1730 hours

30 Sector - Rapids 0900 hours 1930 hours

40 Rapid Response 0900 hours 1930 hours

District Desk Early Assignment 0500 hours 1530 hours

District Desk Late Assignment 0800 hours 1830 hours

District Station Supervisor 0500 hours 1530 hours




Night Shift:

10 Sector - Squadrol - Rapids 1630 hours 0300 hours

20 Sector - Rapids 1830 hours 0500 hours

30 Sector - Rapids 2000 hours 0630 hours

40 Rapid Response 1830 hours 0500 hours

District Desk Early Assignment 1600 hours 0230 hours

District Desk Late Assignment 2000 hours 0630 hours

District Station Supervisor 1900 hours 0530 hours

3/30/2015 09:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

VII. PILOT PROGRAM EVALUATION
A pilot program evaluation committee will be established by the Department relative to this program. The committee will meet as needed and make recommendations to continue, expand, modify, or terminate this pilot program under the direction of the Chief, Bureau of Patrol. The committee will review the effectiveness of the pilot program and evaluate personnel and operational matters, including:

A. personnel assignments, overtime earned, and medical roll use.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^



well, you guys in 005 know what to do.

3/30/2015 09:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What ever the department supports, go the opposite.

3/30/2015 09:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Start Times

2000 to 0630 no early ducks

3/30/2015 09:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the watches are split 40% days, 60% nights.

the DC will get 20% mgt for the Day shift. So all you day guys with 15-19 y/o in nice dists, you will need to be in the top 30% of the dist to keep your day spot.

Say hello to midnights!

3/30/2015 09:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dean and Don are friends. Dean allowed Don to retiree and take a commanders pension and then come back and collect directors pay as director of Human Resources. Don makes about $280,000 per year with about half of that coming out of our pension. Dean will say nothing about it even though this is the kind of sh** that is killing our pension funds.

3/30/2015 09:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Mrs. Robinson said...

Laugh about it, shout about it, When you've got to choose, Every way you look at it, you lose.

3/30/2015 09:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you are new to the job and thinking of having a family,listen to the old timers. Their gripes today will be your gripes tommorrow. Coming from someone who's been there,this this is a terrible idea designed to dwindle our manpower and force early retirements.

3/30/2015 10:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why is our USELESS FOP always quiet. Have not heard DEAN nor any of his minions SAY A FUCKEN THIN ABOUT ANY ISSUE THAT COMES UP. Perhaps stop paying our union dues would be a start oh hold on THE THREE USELESS VICE PRESIDENTS are working very hard on all the issues brought up by SCC. Tired of the city running patrol as they wish.

3/30/2015 10:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'll retire if they do this. What do i care. less cops then. too bad

3/30/2015 10:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Voting Chuey for Mayor based on this Bullshit

3/30/2015 10:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ask your unit rep for the minutes from previous meetings. They will show that only two FOP guys agreed to the 10.5 hr day-Dean and the treasurer John Capparelli. Itwas signed off with the board never voting on it. Capparelli claimed 005 would have the same schedule as Area South...then after a few more questions, he folded, started screaming at coppers, and admitted 005 would have less start times and elimination of a whole watch. It was entertaining but still not as good as the Mikey show.

3/30/2015 10:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

◦68 cops in district - 27 on days, 33 on nights - give or take
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must have gone to public school

=-=-=-=-=-

It's called a proportion moron. It makes it easier for people to do the math - you know, like we said in the line right below that one..."expand or contract as totals indicate."

You must have actually failed Chicago Public Schools. Asshat.

3/30/2015 08:50:00 AM

Or maybe he went to De La Salle.

3/30/2015 10:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
stick with 4-2. Do you know how any a triage were saved by switching to that schedule. Hard to be the other half when your spouse is working 55 hrs a week.

3/30/2015 07:37:00 AM


Spouses are like socks and underwear, they need to be changed frequently. I surely didn't leave the job with the same woman I started it with.

3/30/2015 10:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok, listen up dummies.

1) You get way more weekends off with the 10 hour schedule.

2) You never get less than 3 days off in a row.

3) You're only working 1.5 hours more a day when you are at work.

4) Out of every 7 weeks, you get three 4 day weekends off. Put one time due slip in and you get four 4 day weekends off.

5) You can get a 12 day long baby furlough by burning only 4 days of comp time.

The 6-2 sucked hard. The 4-2 just sucks. The 10 hour schedule is the best thing you can get.

Quit crying about having to work midnights. Learn how to take a nap in the squad car noobs.

3/30/2015 10:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Bring them on. I wont know what to do with 4 days off.

3/30/2015 05:09:00 AM


You'll do what any sensible copper should do: Carefully plan your medical days. Fuck Rahm and really fuck McCarthy.

3/30/2015 10:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Per the contract I receive 25 working furlo days, which equals 200 hours, with a 10 hour day that equals 20 days. So now I have to come up with 50 comp time hours to get my contractual vacation time. doesn't sound good to me.

3/30/2015 02:36:00 AM


Moron. Working day furlo says nothing about hours. Just working days. Don't give anything away, make the city get it the hard way.

3/30/2015 10:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Per the contract I receive 25 working furlo days, which equals 200 hours, with a 10 hour day that equals 20 days. So now I have to come up with 50 comp time hours to get my contractual vacation time. doesn't sound good to me.

3/30/2015 02:36:00 AM

Uh, no. You get 200 hours which equals 25 days on an 8 hour schedule. It equals 20 days on a 10 hour schedule. It's not a hard concept to grasp. Quit complaining. Most people are lucky if they receive one week of vacation per year. You're getting the equivalent of 5 weeks of vacation per year.

3/30/2015 10:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Question:

What do you do when there is an emergency and it's "All Hands On Deck!" like 9/11 in NYC?

If you lose an entire shift, where is your extra coverage to flood the streets?

3/30/2015 02:20:00 AM

Ask Rahm and McCarthy, they are the geniuses.

3/30/2015 10:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If your in a unit not chasing the radio the 10 hr day is great. In the district however, probably not so great.

3/30/2015 10:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is is me or do you have the days off switched on the 10 hour day? or do you really get 3 day weekends and 4 days off during the week?

3/30/2015 10:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

if the FOP and City double team us on this, i'll be this will negatively affect hiring. Who in their right mind would want to drive around Englewood for 10 hours from 8 pm to 6 am, for the next 15 years???

3/30/2015 11:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can't understand why they just can't come to a happy medium on the start times. If they can just agree to smooth out these wrinkles, these 10 hr days can work.

3/30/2015 11:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The 10 hour day is a benefit only to management. Sure you get what you think is more days off. However you have less time on your work days to accomplish anything but work. If you are now utilizing 10 to 12 hours a day for preparation and travel to/from work you will now be using 12-14 hours for the same purpose. Having worked the 10 hour schedule, i can tell you my first day off was usually spent resting. The next three were playing catch up around normal chores around the house. The time off is a small perk. I actually prefer the 6 day or 4-2.

3/30/2015 11:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
My opinion is that if the 10 hr day goes citywide, many will retire. I for one run a side business, along with a family that I am involved with. My personal life comes first and will weigh heavily on my decision to stay or go. If I stay, my thought, like many others is I will ride it out and sleep in the car for as long as I need to. The department creates this issue.

Yup. No way am I doing this. Time to look for a lateral to some other dept that isnt going my to change my schedule evey 5 years or so. This place has been run into the ground.

3/30/2015 11:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Might as well do it right...
12.5 hour days, four watches. All start times the same, 6:00. Watch one starts at PM works 4 days then off three second week works 3 days then off four. Watch two works AM works four days then off three second week works 3 days then off four. Put the ASA's judges and their support staffs on the same schedules. Every six months, as you come off your four days off, you flip nights for days. It'll make everyone surly, and that wouldn't be good for the fool to appear in front of a sleep deprived hizzoner once in a while. You'll have to issue watches that show the date to keep it easier for the hairgels to fill out the forms. But remember, it's all for the childrens.

3/30/2015 11:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's all about the comp time! City owes millions and millions of dollars for comp time. This is a way they cut down on it. Taking days off, furlo ext....

3/30/2015 11:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

if you work over 40 hours in a week demand time and a half

3/30/2015 11:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The schedule we have now is fine. The 10 hours will kill family life for sure

3/30/2015 11:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This schedule will be a nightmare. You can't think about the days off. You have to think about the time spent at work and that will be bad. Days off will be spent recovering from the long days and nights. Keep what we have now and throw this away

3/30/2015 11:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"2.can I work 99?"

Only if you don't have a partner.

3/30/2015 11:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Furlo might be shorter but think of the things you could accomplish with 3 and 4 day weekends . A 4 day + 1 or 2 over Christmas or in July .
I like more than 2 days off in a row and waiting till furlo don't cut it .

3/30/2015 01:15:00 AM

How about our FOP asks for an extra 10-20 Vacation hours or an extra P-Day. God forbid FOP asks for something in our behalf. The city is always asking for things.

3/30/2015 11:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gorgeous is pushing for 10-hour daze -- no more 99 units all will be 10-4 in petrol.

3/30/2015 12:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I welcome 10 hour days it's comin baby wait till new year.

3/30/2015 01:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The city could really care less about us. It's about $$$$$. This potential schedule is for the single cops. Cops without family, especially without children. For those of us with kids, and wives that work because the days of a stay at home mom are over(thanks liberals), this schedule will be a nightmare. Get ready to hardly ever see your kids. If you are lucky enough to have the 20 years to be able to get the right start time good for you. The rest of us, will be fked. We will be battling traffic, start times. 10.5hrs? More like 12 if you live North and have to drive south for the 6pm start that the majority of coppers will be working. And then you get back at what, 5?, u gonna stay up til its time to drop the kids off? Ha. Get ready to pay more for after school day care cause we will have to be leaving at 4 to get to work. So we have no dinner time with family. Forget seeing your spouse ever ha. Missing football practices, school drop off/pickup, any function of memorable importance. An entire watch worth of court gone. Second job? Hahahaha no more. Court? Hahahaha you will be a burnout. Basically it's a smoke and mirrors schedule that appears to be the best option but will burn us out and make us not give a shit, even more than we already do. And will only have to man 2 watches so we lose thousands of officers by attrition that the city won't hire back. FOP better fight this. Read the contract about start times. Otherwise we are going to be hating life. At least the officers with family. Single? Great. Have fun being a slave. 4-2 works fine. If there's a vote then vote no. The city is not broke. It is not in our best interest. It's in Rahm's.

3/30/2015 01:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It all boils down to doing more with less. In all my twenty years this is a real messed up schedule. They won't have to hire more police let alone purchase more squad cars. If this goes citywide I'm retiring early and moving out of state. Maybe that is the goal push more people out. Dean Angelo you are not helping us you remain silent. What good is the union anymore?

3/30/2015 01:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the city is so hell bent on us working for 10 hours a day, why don't they just add 1/2 hour at the beginning and end of our tours. We already do 9. What's the big deal??

3/30/2015 01:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Remember the days when we worked the 28 day schedule with 3 watches. We had watch parties! Man, everyone had a good time, people loved the job, best job in the world.

3/30/2015 08:51:00 AM

Thats because everyone had the same thing. No pettiness and jealousy Most districts everyone was in a beat car. No special cars 006 cars, mission cars, burglary cars,station security{I know but we did survive)

3/30/2015 01:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Ok, listen up dummies.

1) You get way more weekends off with the 10 hour schedule.

2) You never get less than 3 days off in a row.

3) You're only working 1.5 hours more a day when you are at work.




you are an idiot. its not like im doing 1400-2300 now and poof in doing 1400-0030. That would be fine! 8pm - 6 am?? no effing way, dummy.

3/30/2015 01:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The only people on here who are for this stupid schedule are single and sitting at home in their underwear. Or are too damn old to remember when their kids were little and needed looking after. Most of us enjoy looking at our kids and spouse and would like to keep it the way it is. Majority.

3/30/2015 01:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

By Attrition and Lack of Hiring the City has successfully pulled off a Backdoor Layoff. Our numbers have been reduced from the budgeted staffing level of 13,500 to roughly 8-9000. With this new 10 hr day concept eliminating a WHOLE WATCH there is no reason to think they aren't going to stick with this criminal practice and bring our numbers to 4-5,000. Wake Up People!

3/30/2015 02:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do we need a vote of no confidence for Dean?

3/30/2015 02:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We need more coppers. 10 hour days in any district, fast or slow, is rough. We need a new Union, new superintendent, new mayor. We need a better way of doing things.

3/30/2015 02:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

John Capparelli is apparently the guy to talk to at the FOP about this.

3/30/2015 02:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you get 25 day furlo now that is at 8 hr. days, that equals 200 hrs. if you work 10 hr days you still get 200 hrs. but 20 furlo days. but when you count your rdo's in there it is the same, but when you take a BFD you need to take 2 hrs along with 8 hr BFD.

Like somebody said, it may be tough for Beat cars but it was good when I was in MSF. great to have 4 days off between weekends, when you need to take 4 days off in between, you can get 12 days off together. I really like them but we only worked 2 watches

3/30/2015 02:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

10 hour days = more time off with family!!
3 - Four day weekend get aways!!!
WHAT! I'm in.... REALLY! Let's make the change!!!!

3/30/2015 02:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If it's an O'Neil Deal...it's a sham.
This program is NOT to benefit the street officer (meaning an officer who is not assigned to the Front Office).
The City is looking to save some money and spread the numbers out to fool the public. "Looky here, we have increased police manpower by 25% during the evening hours! " or " there are more police patrolling the street than ever before".
It's a weasel salesman pitch.
I don't trust the City or like the whole idea. Less weekends off, longer hours, bs start times and of course because Sellout O'Neil has his fingers in it.
And don't forget the overtime back pay the City didn't pay out or the measly raise.
* By the way, is there a hard copy of the FOP Contract available or are they waiting to send it to the printer after the 10.5 Work Day Schedule Addendum?

3/30/2015 02:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

12 hour days , darn good idea , judges , Asa on same schedule , less overtime , let's do it .
Attended a benefit this weekend , at least 20 people there out of 100 didn't vote in primary are going toVote ForChuy Garcia .
New Mayor in town , coming soon .
1,000 brand new police officers within 3 years , Hell Yeah

3/30/2015 03:18:00 PM  
Anonymous what she said...

if you work over 40 hours in a week demand time and a half

3/30/2015 11:38:00 AM

Yeah, cause that happens now!

3/30/2015 03:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Furloughs would suck with the 10 hour days. You get less total days off with 10 hour days compared to the current 4-2. Assuming you have 200 total hours off for furlough, with the 4-2 you can get a total of 39 days off straight. On the 10 hour days, you only get 33 days off straight. The furlough issue combined with all the other problems of this pilot program does not make up for the extra days off. I hope this pilot program fails and does not go city wide.

3/30/2015 03:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

...so if your boss hates you he can switch your day off right before you hit 4days weekend and you're back working 5days in a row that week.

3/30/2015 03:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm in 005, living it.

This is terrible. You're always tired and your cramming all of your normal chores and errands into your days off.

Do not agree to this guys and gals.

3/30/2015 03:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ten hour days include (3) four day weekends every 7 weeks. And you never work more than 40hrs Sun-Sat.

3/30/2015 03:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm all in for the ten hour days! I love days off with my family and long weekend's away from Chicago! :-)

3/30/2015 04:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here are the hours.



Day Shift:

10 Sector - Squadrol - Rapids 0530 hours 1600 hours

20 Sector - Rapids 0700 hours 1730 hours

30 Sector - Rapids 0900 hours 1930 hours

40 Rapid Response 0900 hours 1930 hours

District Desk Early Assignment 0500 hours 1530 hours

District Desk Late Assignment 0800 hours 1830 hours

District Station Supervisor 0500 hours 1530 hours




Night Shift:

10 Sector - Squadrol - Rapids 1630 hours 0300 hours

20 Sector - Rapids 1830 hours 0500 hours

30 Sector - Rapids 2000 hours 0630 hours

40 Rapid Response 1830 hours 0500 hours

District Desk Early Assignment 1600 hours 0230 hours

District Desk Late Assignment 2000 hours 0630 hours

District Station Supervisor 1900 hours 0530 hours

Talk about a relationship killer if you can't make the day shift.

3/30/2015 04:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Question:

What do you do when there is an emergency and it's "All Hands On Deck!" like 9/11 in NYC?

If you lose an entire shift, where is your extra coverage to flood the streets?

3/30/2015 02:20:00 AM

They don't care.

3/30/2015 04:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for posting those start times. COMPLETELY unreasonable. No way will this work with family, nevermind a side job or school!!

3/30/2015 04:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I worked a ten hour schedule. You will be a zombie. The only thing you will do is work, sleep, get up and take a shower and eat breakfast and then go back to work. You will have no time for family time at home. Or to do anything else. You think "oh those three days off and then four days off look pretty tempting". On those days off, you will be catching up on all of the tasks you couldn't do on your work days.

3/30/2015 05:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok people- it's not like this is an innovative idea that was just created. 10 hour days have been around for 10 years now. How hard can this be?! Oh yeah I forgot, the 5th floor on 35th street is in charge. Rats circling the drain again, following their leader.

3/30/2015 05:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All beat cars should be 2 man and every district should have 3 wagons .

3/30/2015 05:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I recently retired from the job and like the 10 hour schedule, that is I now sleep 10 hours a day.

3/30/2015 06:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I brought this up in another thread, but this one is right on topic. its a 10.5 hour day - lets call it what it is.

If I nominally get 7.5 minutes for every 2 hours worked for lunch, like I do now, we ought to get 38 minutes for lunch when we work 10 hours. The mayor can stick the extra 8 minutes in his ear. Same deal with personals. 2 personals = 30 minutes in an 8 hour day - so how about 3 12 minute personals for 36 minutes of personals??

I think the reason the sergeants union said OK to a trial is because they can 'relieve' each other, its a game of duck and dodge for them.

Regardless, I'd rather the 4-2...

3/30/2015 06:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There will be an increase in officer fatigue related situations. 10 hour days are dangerous for the police and society. Hire more police.

3/30/2015 06:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok, let the flaming begin, but isn't OT due if one works over 40 hours a week?

3/30/2015 08:55:00 AM

This guy has a great point! I'm not in a position to do the calculations, but I can tell you that more than 171.5 (actual) hours worked in a pay period and you do bump into FLSA overtime.

3/30/2015 06:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the DC will get 20% mgt for the Day shift. So all you day guys with 15-19 y/o in nice dists, you will need to be in the top 30% of the dist to keep your day spot.

OMG! I just reached my 25th year. Do you think I have a chance for days under this new schedule?

/sarcasm

3/30/2015 06:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just think when your stuck with that late arrest.....

3/30/2015 06:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

10 hour days for tact, gangs, saturation teams, maybe a few more.
To hard on a beat car, even though we know they aren't running from job to job, but still a lot to ask
I don't like it for detectives either. You pick up one of their IA's on their first day off, guess what your screwed. Another detective is hesitant to work I it up. That 48hours in custody comes up quick.

3/30/2015 07:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A2 VC work tens on 3rd. Days off are great but court comes awfully early.

For me no matter Patrolman in 005 or Detective upstairs the less days I have to report the better. You cannot beat the 4 day weekends.

3/30/2015 07:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

they don't even let you use your time now what makes you think they will let you use it then..especially when most officers will be trying to get 5 days off at a time. Wake up.


Anonymous said...

Furlo might be shorter but think of the things you could accomplish with 3 and 4 day weekends . A 4 day + 1 or 2 over Christmas or in July .
I like more than 2 days off in a row and waiting till furlo don't cut it .

3/30/2015 07:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
The schedule for the 10 hour days looks flawed. You would get 3, four day weekends in a row. TFSS, FSSM and SSMT. Then 4 weeks of 3 days off in a row before your week ends came around again. With the 3 and 4 days off each week it all works out at the end of the period as far as total hours worked. We had this schedule for quite a few years in Area South 95% of us would not even consider going back to the 6&2 or 4&2 schedule. Imagine 3 days off every week and then 3 four day weekends in a row. The start times were a problem for a few with getting the kids off to school. Everyone seemed to have adjusted to it just fine after the first period.
---------------------------------------------
Oh com'on! You cannot compare the schedule of being a detective with the schedule of being a guy on the watch.... 1st off, correct me if I am wrong, but don't the detectives in a/south still have 3 watches? Second watch guys have absolutely no freedom and are being watched closely by a lot of shitty supervisors. The detectives definitely do their share of work, but their down time is in no way as restricting as watch guys. 10.5 hours can work in units, but not the watch.

3/30/2015 07:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's fools like these that allow the city to do what it wants. Most people are lucky to get a week but the job we do isn't for most people. "most people" also don't risk their lives every day, put up with tons of abuse from bosses, peers and the community. The point is why allow the city to do something that benefits them and not us..thats it. NO NEED TO COMPARE WITH "MOST PEOPLE"


3/30/2015 02:36:00 AM

Uh, no. You get 200 hours which equals 25 days on an 8 hour schedule. It equals 20 days on a 10 hour schedule. It's not a hard concept to grasp. Quit complaining. Most people are lucky if they receive one week of vacation per year. You're getting the equivalent of 5 weeks of vacation per year.

3/30/2015 07:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

2016 can't come soon enough. I'm taking my 25 years and Free Health Care and getting the fuck out of this shit State

3/30/2015 07:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Guys with straight furloughs that fall into the 3 weeks of 4 days of are basically screwed. LOL

3/30/2015 07:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

-- no more 99 units all will be 10-4 in petrol.

3/30/2015 12:27:00 PM

"petrol" as in Europe? Sign me up for the Garda.

3/30/2015 08:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I work these goofy 10.5 hr days and it blows!!! No time for anything the days you work. I've never felt more unhealthy than now. I never get to work out, I'm constantly stressed out, and I never get to see my family. Bring back the the old 6/2 please.

3/30/2015 08:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They bid for their start times in 005.

3/30/2015 08:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WTF Decertify
FLOP is CRAP
Tired of getting Fuked by the city and FLOP just takes it


Waste of my dues

3/30/2015 08:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The start times seem to be the biggest gripe. Not getting more days off. Yet everyone in favor just keeps going on about more days off. Some of us like having 2 days off a week and working only 4 in a row. I don't work a side job and love my kids but I would get bored quickly with more days off like that after hating the hours I would have to work. 4/2 for me.

3/30/2015 09:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When I worked in the burbs we were on 12 hour days. Each watch starts/ends at 6:00pm/am.
Days on for Week 1 were: M,T,F,Sa,Su
Days on for Week 2 were: W,Th

With one 8 hour day thrown in that period based on seniority. Best schedule for having a family and personal life. We were doing traffic stops, domestics, fights in the projects, robberies, etc. Same stuff we do now, but not nearly as frequent. It would be real tough to do 12 hours now, seeing as you're burnt out after 9.

3/30/2015 09:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

That's why I don't go to court. I don't write movers and will only arrest upon a signed complaint. The courts throw everything out anyway, so why bother.

3/30/2015 07:33:00 AM

It's slugs like you who should be driving a truck for Sears instead of taking up space and a job from someone who wants to work. You must be a real pleasure to ride around in a car with. You're probably in 016 or 019 on days.

3/30/2015 10:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Deano must be stopped!

3/30/2015 10:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Confused said...

@ 3/30/2015 09:14:00 AM...based on your post of the schedule, who is the DSS from 1530 till 1900???
Does the WOL cover??

3/30/2015 10:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Per the contract I receive 25 working furlo days, which equals 200 hours, with a 10 hour day that equals 20 days. So now I have to come up with 50 comp time hours to get my contractual vacation time. doesn't sound good to me.

3/30/2015 02:36:00 AM

You're right. What's worse is that the contract is not being followed. 25 working days is 25 days not 200. How can the FOP turn vacation days into hours when they negotiated the number of hours we work in a day? Our contract say 25 vacation days but we get 23 vacation days now. They change the schedule again and now we get 20 days. This is all bull.

3/30/2015 11:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


you are an idiot. its not like im doing 1400-2300 now and poof in doing 1400-0030. That would be fine! 8pm - 6 am?? no effing way, dummy.

3/30/2015 01:39:00 PM

I can see math isn't your strong suit. The start times and end times may indeed suck. I can't argue that. The fact still remains however, that you're only working 1.5 hours more in a work day than you used to. Dummy.

3/31/2015 01:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Less coppers, less equipment, less coppers on the street. The only people who will benefit from this dog and pony show will be the shithead criminals.

3/31/2015 02:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey 12:41am hard ass, I work in the suburbs, apparently doing nothing but "fucking with the taxpayers" in your words. FYI, not every suburb is Naperville. Try the 6th district of Cook County, where we don't have the luxury of 4 of us standing on the same corner with our hands tucked in our vest doing nothing in what we refer to as the CPD Tactical Stance, and we respond to every call without a partner holding our hand.

That being said, we work 12's and it is great for having a family. I work 6p - 6a, which means I am home in time to work out and get the kid to school while the wife goes to work, then I sleep, then pick the kid up from school. The wife gets home from work and I go to work. I have a solid 2 hours doing homework with the kid before that. Sure I don't see the wife for more than an hour on working days - hence the happy marriage. We bang like porn stars on my days off, because we haven't been bitching and made irritable by me working some shitty 3-11 shift with one weekend every 5 weeks. On my off days we have the whole day together - and I am off every other Fri,Sat,Sun. Then I work MonTues, am off WedThurs, and work the next FriSatSun. However, many weeks I will just use comp time on MonTues,'so I am off 7 DAYS IN A ROW while using 24 hours of comp. And since we work 84 hours every 2 weeks, plus court, the comp gets refilled with little effort.
So stop being a pussy and handle the 10's. As a big tough Chicago copper I'm sure you can hold down Portillos for at least 4 of them. Throw that baseball hat on backwards and everyone will know you mean business.
Also all this "it will be less coppers to pay into the pension" is ridiculous. That city really has you dwelling on the wrong things. It's WHAT WAS DONE WITH YOUR PENSION MONEY that should be the issue. And how to keep it from being done in the future. You funded your pension. They built Maggie Daley Park and are financing a basketball stadium for a private university with your pension money. That's where the outrage should be. Why every cent from city stickers and all of the other extortion based Chicago fees isn't going to your pension is where the outrage should be. But you're debating whether you'll see a weekend every 3 or 5 weeks.
The city is using sleight of hand to distract, detract, and defeat you. Don't fall for it.

3/31/2015 03:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Furl by watch turned into one big scam. Several cry babies in our district got dumped to midnights picked a good furl then cried about how hard it is and the bosses put them back on afternoons. They barely saw a month on midnights. No bids were even posted. I can only imagine the crying when the 10hr day hits.



You must be in 017. Yes they picked 13A furlo on mids and ran to 3rd watch. Cant stay up is their reasoning. Hey whiners. Go to a different district. Pr nv em sf

3/31/2015 04:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do we need a vote of no confidence for Dean?


YES we need a vote of no confidence for Dean!!!!!

3/31/2015 04:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please don't forget about court time. That can take time away from days off. What about in-service training? How will that work? I guess what mazes me is that a majority of people who work each day do whatever they can to duck early - late lunch, late arrest, etc - because they don't want to work a full tour now. And it's only 8.5 hrs. What's going to happen when 10.5 hr watches get shoved down our throats. I don't want it.

3/31/2015 08:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

@ 3/30/2015 09:14:00 AM...based on your post of the schedule, who is the DSS from 1530 till 1900???
Does the WOL cover??

---------------------------------------

Everyone PLEASE read the order.

The late "day" sergeant who starts at 0900hrs must come in to fill in as DSS during that time.

3/31/2015 08:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Get Real said...

10 hour days = more time off with family!!

3 - Four day weekend get aways!!!
WHAT!

I'm in.... REALLY! Let's make the change!!!!

----------------------------------------------------------

Yup

Just rack up those credit card bills with more trips Mr. Rocket Scientist.

3/31/2015 08:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

COME ON SCC THE HUGE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE IN FIVE HATE THIS SCHEDULE - if it was three watches it might be different - it's beating cops up regardless of the increase in days off - get your heads out of your asses because if they put this schedule in you WILL REGRET IT and there will be NO turning back!!!!!!!

3/31/2015 09:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The furlough shit happened in 005 too..all the day shift incident people bid for afternoons to get a good furlo then get management on days,,and they wonder why nobody likes them

3/31/2015 01:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey 8:38am, not all of us live hood-rich with boats, jet skis, a ridiculous luxury SUV, and a house we can't afford. Some of us actually live within our means. So don't worry about my credit card bills (I don't have any). If we want to spend more time with our families, that's our business. Don't worry about how I'll finance a trip to the zoo, library, or park - my credit won't suffer.

It's the things we don't do because we don't have the time that destroys our relationships with our families and friends, our marriages, and our health. And makes us too bitter and pissed off to be good cops. So I'll take the extra days off.
- another Rocket Scientist

3/31/2015 04:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Please don't forget about court time. That can take time away from days off. What about in-service training? How will that work? I guess what mazes me is that a majority of people who work each day do whatever they can to duck early - late lunch, late arrest, etc - because they don't want to work a full tour now. And it's only 8.5 hrs. What's going to happen when 10.5 hr watches get shoved down our throats. I don't want it.

3/31/2015 08:10:00 AM
In service training? What's that once a year at most? Coppers complain about everything we are making over $100,000 some disc make over $150,000 and your complaining! A family doctor makes $135,000 a year on average and works many hours so be happy we have a good steady job, with benefits, and a pension (at least for now) to SCC thanks for all the time you put into this informative blog your the best!

3/31/2015 05:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Hey 12:41am hard ass, I work in the suburbs, apparently doing nothing but "fucking with the taxpayers" in your words. FYI, not every suburb is Naperville. Try the 6th district of Cook County, where we don't have the luxury of 4 of us standing on the same corner with our hands tucked in our vest doing nothing in what we refer to as the CPD Tactical Stance, and we respond to every call without a partner holding our hand.

That being said, we work 12's and it is great for having a family. I work 6p - 6a, which means I am home in time to work out and get the kid to school while the wife goes to work, then I sleep, then pick the kid up from school. The wife gets home from work and I go to work. I have a solid 2 hours doing homework with the kid before that. Sure I don't see the wife for more than an hour on working days - hence the happy marriage. We bang like porn stars on my days off, because we haven't been bitching and made irritable by me working some shitty 3-11 shift with one weekend every 5 weeks. On my off days we have the whole day together - and I am off every other Fri,Sat,Sun. Then I work MonTues, am off WedThurs, and work the next FriSatSun. However, many weeks I will just use comp time on MonTues,'so I am off 7 DAYS IN A ROW while using 24 hours of comp. And since we work 84 hours every 2 weeks, plus court, the comp gets refilled with little effort.
So stop being a pussy and handle the 10's. As a big tough Chicago copper I'm sure you can hold down Portillos for at least 4 of them. Throw that baseball hat on backwards and everyone will know you mean business.
Also all this "it will be less coppers to pay into the pension" is ridiculous. That city really has you dwelling on the wrong things. It's WHAT WAS DONE WITH YOUR PENSION MONEY that should be the issue. And how to keep it from being done in the future. You funded your pension. They built Maggie Daley Park and are financing a basketball stadium for a private university with your pension money. That's where the outrage should be. Why every cent from city stickers and all of the other extortion based Chicago fees isn't going to your pension is where the outrage should be. But you're debating whether you'll see a weekend every 3 or 5 weeks.
The city is using sleight of hand to distract, detract, and defeat you. Don't fall for it.

3/31/2015 03:09:00 AM

I got to ask you two questions.

If you don't work for the CPD, why do care what our shifts are?

Would you listen to anyone else tell you what is best for you and your family?

3/31/2015 06:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BS , no one is bailing out of 5 , we love the 10 hour day .

3/31/2015 09:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey 12:41am hard ass, I work in the suburbs, apparently doing nothing but "fucking with the taxpayers" in your words. FYI, not every suburb is Naperville. Try the 6th district of Cook County, where we don't have the luxury of 4 of us standing on the same corner with our hands tucked in our vest doing nothing in what we refer to as the CPD Tactical Stance, and we respond to every call without a partner holding our hand.

That being said, we work 12's and it is great for having a family. I work 6p - 6a, which means I am home in time to work out and get the kid to school while the wife goes to work, then I sleep, then pick the kid up from school. The wife gets home from work and I go to work. I have a solid 2 hours doing homework with the kid before that. Sure I don't see the wife for more than an hour on working days - hence the happy marriage. We bang like porn stars on my days off, because we haven't been bitching and made irritable by me working some shitty 3-11 shift with one weekend every 5 weeks. On my off days we have the whole day together - and I am off every other Fri,Sat,Sun. Then I work MonTues, am off WedThurs, and work the next FriSatSun. However, many weeks I will just use comp time on MonTues,'so I am off 7 DAYS IN A ROW while using 24 hours of comp. And since we work 84 hours every 2 weeks, plus court, the comp gets refilled with little effort.
So stop being a pussy and handle the 10's. As a big tough Chicago copper I'm sure you can hold down Portillos for at least 4 of them. Throw that baseball hat on backwards and everyone will know you mean business.
Also all this "it will be less coppers to pay into the pension" is ridiculous. That city really has you dwelling on the wrong things. It's WHAT WAS DONE WITH YOUR PENSION MONEY that should be the issue. And how to keep it from being done in the future. You funded your pension. They built Maggie Daley Park and are financing a basketball stadium for a private university with your pension money. That's where the outrage should be. Why every cent from city stickers and all of the other extortion based Chicago fees isn't going to your pension is where the outrage should be. But you're debating whether you'll see a weekend every 3 or 5 weeks.
The city is using sleight of hand to distract, detract, and defeat you. Don't fall for it.

Wow,you must be drinking at lot of coffee working 6:00pm to 6:00am then having the energy to go to the gym and then getting the kids ready for school.Shit you must be 22 years old with two years on the job.

3/31/2015 09:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

3/31/2015 08:10:00 AM
In service training? What's that once a year at most? Coppers complain about everything we are making over $100,000 some disc make over $150,000 and your complaining! A family doctor makes $135,000 a year on average and works many hours so be happy we have a good steady job, with benefits, and a pension (at least for now) to SCC thanks for all the time you put into this informative blog your the best!

3/31/2015 05:57:00 PM

What department are you working for that you're making 100k per year? A patrolman with 25 years on doesn't make that unless you factor in uniform allowance, duty availability, and ot. Also, there isn't a doctor in America making a 135k per year. A family practitioner would wipe his fucking ass with a 135k. You better get off that pipe.

4/01/2015 02:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 6:59 pm
People can tell me what they think is best for me and my family all they want. I would make my own decision. If you mean would I listen as in let them decide for me - no. But they can talk all they want. I was under the impression that you guys were allowed to vote. If so, like everything that is voted upon, advocates for each side are all going to try to out-convince the voters. I was just trying to lend a perspective. Of course the city wants you on 10's to reduce manpower. The city is a business. Any business tries to minimize their payroll. I was simply saying that in all of the bickering about 8.5 hours or 10 hours, with the arguments that you need to keep 8's in order to have more members to fund the pension, it seems like that's just giving the city more pension contributions to spend on everythig but your pensions. There needs to be reform in place to stop that. Your pensions were funded. They blew it. Therein lies the problem.

Also, although I am not CPD, I have friends and family that are. I care only to the extent that I hate to see any fellow cop getting burned by their employer. And I hate to hear everyone going back and forth about what Union boss is evil and all the other nonsense (hint: they are all snakes and they are all only in it for themselves, regardless of which department you work for) when the problem is what the city did with your money.

Until your pension money stops being spent elsewhere, it doesn't matter what shift you work. I would just like to see happier cops. Chicago police are, in my experience, the most disgruntled unhappy police Ive ever met. And that's a shame. And it's not just because of where you work. There are plenty of "suburbs" that are no different than the southeast or west sides. But no one hates their life as much as Chicago cops. I don't want that for anyone.

4/01/2015 03:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 9:49 pm

No I'm 38 with 8 years on the job and I drink maybe one coffee a night. I sleep 5 - 6 hours on nights I work and as much as I want on my days off. Including every other weekend, where I have a normal social life like everyone else in the working world. That is, I don't hang out at cop bars with other cops at 7am, and I dont get home at midnight after my kid is asleep and leave for work before he's home from school and count down until next month when I'll have a weekend off with him.

I'm sure you felt better with your guess, so that must have brought some brief joy to you to keep that huge ego of yours going. I'm sorry you were wrong and hope that your chest was suitably puffed up to impress someone for at least a moment. Not everyone is on the CPD diet of bitter grapes and fast food and I work out at home for 30-45 minutes so it doesn't get in the way of sleep. I'm not a super athlete but my pants waist and vest size haven't changed in 8 years, and I use the POWER test run for my cardio so I know I can pass it.

So keep ripping on everyone else while Chicago buys some more Divy bikes and builds another dead person park (Jane Byrne is overdue) with your pension money - that's what the city loves to see; you pulling your baby blue dick out to measure it against who has more years on the job and how much coffee they drink while they spend your pension. Way to take the bait.

Hey you win, you're the king of policing. I'll raise a toast to you on my two 3-day weekends this month and I'll get shitfaced in your honor next month when I take off wed/thurs and have a whole week off.

Please, for your sake, try sticking it up Rahm's ass instead of each other's. It will do you more good.

4/01/2015 03:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What about the CFD, I can see the 10 day thing would work well for those house rat hose draggers. There should be someone looking in this, two days on two days off, and a daily. Oh, I forgot, their all hero's. Get the fuck out of here.

4/01/2015 07:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

9:49 pm a real tough guy!

4/02/2015 05:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have worked the 10 hour day in public,housing the 008 ,district and now presently in canine.this is a fantastic schedule when it works,ppppp a fantastic schedule you just have to make it work for you Ppersonnel on midnights would pick up the slack..even work a side job and still have a few days off.
The 10 hour day would work if the have a midnight cars to pick up the Slack from 3rd watch.you need midnight cars out there...
When this scedule is running efficiently it is a beautiful thing.they need to stagger a couple of cars starting times.

4/02/2015 10:48:00 PM  

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