Say It Isn't So
We've heard some crazy dumb shit before, but this is among the craziest and dumbest shit ever if true:
- I've been detailed to the academy for about 2 months now. I was floored to learn of the new stress free work place program they run. When a recruit is feeling overwhelmed or like they are being singled out, they can hold up a red card. They are then excused from that activity, and the instructors can't talk to that recruit for at least 2 hrs. If the recruit holds up the red card twice in a day, they are allowed to skip the next class and stay in a "stress free zone" and take a nap or relax until they feel better. What is going on with this department?
Time to dump the entire staff if true. Bring back instructors in the mold of Marsh, Tero, Frost Those guys could overwhelm the fuck out of people.
Labels: dumb ideas, rumors
posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
221 Comments:
please tell me this is a Gag?
See how well the RED CARD works when dude pulls out a pistol on you during a traffic stop.
Rumor has it they also no longer have to pass the state shooting course, you shot till you pass. No more front lean and rest either?!?
Pussies. I/F
Whatever softball suggested this needs to get dumped and receieve a "blanket party"
Frost was a jagoff. Jimmy Marsh was one scary mofo though. He was a good guy once you got to know him. Tero was the best..."Gang, a day without push-ups is like a day without sunshine!". RIP
"Um, sarge, I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed. I'm raising my red card and I'm gonna go take a nap." Just makes you shake your head.
See what some shithead who's beating your ass thinks about your red card. If you're overwhelmed in the academy, quit now. You're going to get someone else hurt or killed.
See, this all goes along with the new program where you hold up a red card and Pookie stops shooting at you until you got your shorts all unbunched. Phasing it in now for this summer.
Thanks, Obama!
What you are describing is a technique that the military has used during basic training for several years. It has proven to work quite well for modern recruits who are gentler, kinder and more refined than the generations that have gone before.
Hostile work environment? What's next... Suing the department because an instructor yelled at you or "singled you out"?
It's true. The communist Liberals have taken over. Obama has destroyed America. Not bad for a bastard from Kenya.
Please God say it's not true... Ease please please please please. Next time I'm fighting with dude or in a foot chase or about to get into a shooting I'll hold up my red card and say time out. Sorry but dude will kill you. What are you training these kids to do?? Give up in the face of overwhelming attack. I guess there is no more "fight or flight" it's just flight... And flight will get you or someone else killed... This needs to be addressed.
Lol. And the ship continues to sink.
I call bullshit......
15 years ago the same rumor surfaced about the Army and ended up being total bullshit. Even this department realizes that these recruits have to be put through some sort of stress in order to perform under pressure when on the job. Besides any kid soft enough to hold up a stress card for being yelled at would likely fail the pysch or wouldn't even apply for the job to begin with.
Yeah ok, start another rumor, like the department is switching over to cargo pants......
Is this a joke? It must be a joke, right?
You don't get to hold up a red card if you're feeling "overwhelmed" or "singled out" on duty.
You get shot or, heaven forbid, some innocent victim or bystander does.
Will the criminal element let you "take a nap or relax" until you feel better on duty too?
Think a "red card" timeout system would have worked during the NATO protests here? Or the Ferguson protests? Unbelievable.
"...Time to dump the entire staff if true. Bring back instructors in the mold of Marsh, Tero, Frost Those guys could overwhelm the fuck out of people."
I knew those instructors and both the old Obrien Street Academy and the new academy and have a T-shirt that proudly says, OBRIAN STREET ALUMNUS.
What we really need is recruits of the caliber of that era and the bosses who would back them up.
Another ten laps around the gym, YES SIR!
What the hell?? When you are on the west and south sides I guess they will hold up their red card and claim I'm stressed. What has happened to this police department??
Cant wait till some big shithead is going to kick one of these stress free recruits ass, hope that shithead knows what the Red card is for. Thank the Lord none of them will ever work with me!
This off topic
But some might enjoy it
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They are all retired now but guys like Connolly, Town, Shannon, Grundy, Thompson, Lonergan, Nelligan, Esposito taught us how to stop cars search people and handle in-progress stuff. Never beat them the 1st third of training. They let you win the 2nd of training. Still think of them stopping people today. And they handed most of the hands on in service.
The gym staff were jerks. Frost had ZERO personality. Gus Tero was the exact opposite rest his soul.
Anyone getting ready to retire now could picture what Nelligan or Esposito would say if you held up a red card?
This department is doomed.
Don't worry, you will get the chance to weed them out yourselves, unless they are clouted.
This has to be a joke.
Hmmmm....do you get to hold up a red card to dirtballs on the street?
I was going to say how lame and crazy this idea is but, hey, maybe it would work? I mean nothing else the wizards have tried seems to.
Red cards???
That sounds TOTALLY STUPID.
What are they teaching these people?
OH, if you are in a bad situation or stressed out on the job, just show the bad guys a Red Card and they will let up.
Are you teaching policing or pussification???????
Who the F is in charge?????
That' so special. I did my best sleeping in class for16 weeks when I came on. Now they got nap rooms, I love it.
Just like the old Russian Luxor baths on North ave, 200 degree steam, 5 course kosher meal and drinks and then a two hour nap.
Hot to love the old day'a/ The training division was a piece of cake in the 80'. Captain Brown was a gem and his memory will live on for 300 years.
Gee do they wipe their asses too? Unbelievable.
So when they get on the street and some shoplifter punches them square in the face and goes for the gun they can hold up a red card and take time out until they feel better?
This is just more proof positive that this dept is run by the biggest bunch of pussies this country has ever seen. The CPD of yesteryear is dead!
I'm can't buy that for my own sanity. If I have to ride w/any "Red Card" or PUSSY on the street where it's real I want to know I'm driving around w/a Coward.
Take a nap? U'r absolutely right we'll B taking a nap cuz we're going to a hole if I even hear one of the PPOs did that in a situation where U'r safety is all but guaranteed in 026.
For my sanity I can't believe that. Do we get to throw a "red card" on the street? This is Semi Military Organization with a Distinct History of placing Ourselves before Others.
Aren't "Red Cards" for soccer? Let's keep em there.
This is bullshit. That same rumor surfaces every couple years. It is a fable. Although the new DC has certainly not helped with creating and maintaining any discipline, things have not fallen this far....
So when you are fighting with an offender or being shot at, you can hold up a red card and everything stops??? Unreal!!!!!
Soon offenders will have red cards. This is the way our society is going. Stay armed and ready..
Now that's great training because of course when they hit the real world there is no stress at all. What the hell job did they sign up for? When they go to the 2-3 domestic calls a night can they just hold up the red card? What a joke this job is. Just do your time and avoid the fools coming out of the academy.
Frost would do crunches in between beating us during red man and hosing us down with tear gas...
It is amazing to me that these kids these days getting on the job cannot "man up" or "woman up". This is funny. "Excuse mr savage. I feel overwhelmed. Can't you see my red card. I will take a break now before we start running and fighting." be safe everyone
Are they nuts? If this is true, they're setting the city up for a lawsuit for horseshit training. If we're in a fight for our lives, when are we allowed to pull out the red cards?
This can't be true. Not even for the entitled generation.
The instructors are doing as they are told. Dumping them isn't going to change what's happening. Look to the car wash...
Next time you get dispatched to a domestic just scream "red card" into the radio and pull ovef, if the dispatcher calls you again scream "red card" into the radio again then find a safe spot and take a nap
If you're overwhelmed by stress at the academy, you will never make it on the street. Go find another job before you get yourself or someone else hurt or killed. We can't hold up red cards at domestics when things get crazy. Criminals won't give you a "timeout" when you're felling stressed. Take your red card and shove it up your pansy ass. Ok, now that I got that out of my system, this can't be real, right?
I've got ten years on with CPD. Before that a did a few years with the Cook County Sheriff's dept. (corrections). Their academy was the worst 3 months of my life, PT every morning, no lockers, no showers they made us work like dogs, treated us like shit. I played football for 13 years from Pop Warner through college and consider myself to be mentally and physically strong. When I was in the Cook County academy that was the 1st time in my life I ever questioned myself. What the fuck am I doing here. Then went to CPD academy, like walking in the park. If this is true our department is lost forever.
thats whats happening to a whole generation in this country, we are turning soft as puppy shit. some outside force (ISIS, China, Russia etc.) will just march right in one day and have their way with us.
Marsh, Tero and Pecoraro ran us until out legs fell off. Then when we fell, we had to get into leaning rest. LOLOLOLOL the good ole days...
LMFAO, in world cup soccer if you get a red card you get thrown out of the game.
To all the pussies who need to display your red card wait till you hit the streets and some savage fucks with you, will you take a time out, will you go take a nap, will you fucking go crying to mommie and daddy?
WTF has happened to this dept?
What is going to happen when these "Police Officers" encounter some 250 lb dope crazed, recently released from prison Bad Ass? In addition is there going to be a record of the recruits who felt so overwhelmed? Loevy & Loevy will attempt to retrieve any and all documentation of a recruit's inability to handle training, to use against the recruit when that recruit causes death or injury to their client. It is difficult to comprehend the ignorance and stupidity that would even consider police training that does not attempt to weed out those unable to handle stress and hardship. And I say this as a retired Chicago Police Sergeant who served in the U.S. Marine Corps prior to my police service. The citizens of Chicago deserve more than these "experiments" in social modification. When you dial 911 you expect someone who can solve a problem; not some neurotic who is "overwhelmed" by the circumstance. If this is true; it is absolutely absurd, insane and a further example of the incompetence of this Superintendent. R.M. Aztlan, (Retired Sgt. CPD)
Let's not forget Ronnie Bandemer & Charles Gruzanski, and my favorite, Stanley Sarbarnek. Hold up a red card for these guy's and it would be the last time you ever "punked out" again.
Tero, Marsh & Tremaine but NOT Frost!!!
Not a cop: I'm sure when they hit the streets and a group of ruffians overwhelm them, they can pull out t
heir red card and ask for a timeout.
Then they'll be sued after the beating for inciting,because they hurt feelings by showing the red card!
This is completely false. There are no red cards or time out at the academy. I would love to meet this officer one day and stop this nonsense. There are over 400 recruits in the academy and discipline has increased. The only time out I noticed was to write a to from and be counseled. If you work at the academy, what happened in the gym at 0700 hrs??
Is this a joke? Is there a hidden camera somewhere? When a recruit feels picked on or overwhelmed on the street can he hold up a red card? Really, this has got to be a joke!
Will the card be standard issue for the real world??.hey great idea cause keeping your head and making snap decisions under stress has no place in the police world....you're going to get someone hurt or killed .great job ..SMH
I'm currently in the academy and there is absolutely no truth whatsoever to this. Nonsense
Ain't that the truth. And don't forget about Pete Wenger. I remember when Wenger took on the biggest black man I've ever seen in a boxing match. It started because the black officer who suffered from the " I'm a large black man, no one can tell me what do do" disease, mouthed off to Wenger. Wenger, all 5'11,175 lbs of him, proceeded to kick the large black mans ass,lol. I can't remember the large,black officers name but he's off the job now. Dead IIRC. Frost would run us till we puked and then run us some more. Marsh just loved to instruct us in hand to hand because he knew he was going to get to hurt someone. But those were the days. We need those guys back. Quickly.
What color card do the stressed out range instructors carry? They are always bothered when you show up to qualify. If they are there and didn't duck out early from all the stress.
Sounds like a really fun game of UNO . Skip cards , reverse and wild cards etc. I say brimg the concept citywide. When you get a domestic - throw down a skip card. Want a few on the end - use your wild card. if you get assigned as paper car on some big caper - throw down a reverse card - and someone else gets the job. I like it.
Reason # 1
Why I'm not a FTO ! Anymore
How can I hold a red card towards Rahm hes been stressing me out!
What the fuck!!! I was so disappointed in my academy experience (3 years ago) because of how easy they were on us. I personally witnessed at least 3 people keep their jobs when they shouldn't and we would often go WEEKS without running. The only fearful staff member there was Snelling who runs a tight ship but if this is true...we are fucked! What will the they do on a domestic when both parties are intoxicated and want to fight the police? Hold up a red card?? I know I don't have any time on the job to complain...but I'm sure even the senior officers would agree with me on this.
They couldn't make you smart, but they could make you strong!
Yet once in a district they are overwhelmed with compstress, contactcarditis, they suffer from low fto (not enough fto in their street training) due to three or four recruits with one fto. Additionally after their fto time they get put in a van with five other recruits and get told drive around and teach eachother because one guy was in Jr. ROTC in high school or is an Eagle Scout in the local troop. These youngsters cannot pullout a red card and dismiss the citizens who are calling them names, threatening to beat or rape them as these threats are accompanied by rhyming words and set to a constant bass beat. Where are your red cards when they will have to stand a line while being spat upon and kicked during a cultural parade that includes massive alcohol consumption or another parade that when the participants and meandering crowd start touching you in a sexual manner your told let them be.....these guy only do it to get a rise out of you because they think your straight and the politicos do not want the rainbow crew to be locked up because they will say they were targeted. Where is the red card when Mcgumball yells at command staff in front of the media and aldercreatures duyring one of his complookatmestat meetings. Is there a stress free zone at 35th street.........oh yeah its the floors that the fire department occupy. No need for red cards there everyone wears a little red. Mcshotglass only knows his red nose.
Dyla Hata
I remember my first day of PT. All the recruits were sitting in the stands when Marsh walked into the gym hitting himself in the the head constantly with a red man baton. You could hear a pin drop. The next day Tero (RIP) made us follow him doing jumping jacks. We probably did at least a thousand. People were stopping and falling down. He never stopped for one second. I couldn't get out of bed the next day.
Sounds like somebody's pulling somebody else's leg. Much as the Army stress card rumour was a bunch of bunk.
I wonder if these recruits will to demonstration exempt because the protesters might hurt their feeling. Wtf?
When I went through the academy on O'Brien street, the only thing that overwhelmed anyone was the smell from the Vienna Sausage Co.
Do they allow this shit at the NYPD Academy?Most Likely NOT!!! So then why the F@*k!! now are they doing this now. Marsh, Frost, Tero?? Oh Yeah, they would never , they'd take that red card and shove it up your asses, sissies...
what a joke of a department this has become
So no more welcome to the gym? Psych workshop? Front lean and rest? Man...that's too bad.
So what happens when they get released to the street? Hold up cards when the bad guys say mean things to them? Boot their asses now.
i think the army and air force do this during boot camp,this is why we may lose the war on terror!
well it doesn't take a genius to figure it out. now days u see officers on cell phones with windows all the up not even paying any attention to whats going on outside. they are more worried about lunch and going home then working. of course this isn't all officers but a good majority of young officers. I could care less who mayor was or sup. or captain or commander or if we had a contract. my kids and family live in this city and anytime i can take a thug off the streets it means a safer place for my family my partners family and the officers in my roll calls family and the officers family who live in my district family
If a recruit can't handle the controlled stress in a clean dry environment how will they handle the complete chaos of the dirty pissy street?
Sounds like a "diversity" concession, and a good way to get people killed.
WTF!
What do these recruits do once they graduate and are out on the street feeling stressed?
Oh, I know, hold up a red card!
Now that is funny.
We have gone so soft on this job its sad.
CFD isn't soft on their recruits.
Hell, they are more structured and disciplined then CPD is!
Very sad.
I'll make sure to raise my red flag next time I'm wrestling with a suspect
Please, someone please tell me that this is not true. But then again, just look at the caliber of recruits we have. In the past 10 years it's all gone downhill. But then again, I don't blame them, I blame the bosses who have no back bone. When my son was in the academy eight years ago several female recruits complained against an instructor. They felt he was picking on them. They made up a bullshit sexual harassment beef on him. The academy sent that instructor back to a district immediately. My son told me he was one of the best instructors out there. Yes he was hard, but he was respectfully hard on everyone.
This has got to be the most stupid thing I've ever heard coming from the academy. What happens when they leave the academy to hit the street, do they take their red cards with them? If this is true, and I hope for the sake of the future of the department it isn't, then we're doomed to an eternity of touchy-feely policing.
OMG! Put those idiot instructors back in their units. Time for a big shake up on Jackson Ave. How about the DUI instructor who has never written a DUI her whole career but teaches that class one time a week. Not a bad job. Remember that the next time your denied time due in the summer.
I've been hearing the same thing in the military, even about the time I was serving. Never seen it, there are no rules stating it. Bottom line, not happening.
I've said it before. We are NOT a para-military organization. We are like a fraternity. And that's been our downfall for years. There are really times I'm embarrassed to be on this job.
Makes sense cause policing is such a stress free job..... especially under this current administration and in this screwed up anti police climate.
can you use the red card at work, if you get too many jobs during the tour, and are feeling overworked and stressed?....."Sarge, can I take a nap?"
And these kids are going south and west sides?they will be overwhelmed. No red cards out there. My thumb still hurts. From marsh cranking it. 20+ years later.. Red man now pink man?
Maybe they will start to have chairs in the corner for a time out?
Frost would do crunches in between beating us during red man and hosing us down with tear gas...
There were a lot of hard core and/or experienced instructors at the academy. Frost was none of that. ZERO street experience, hid at the academy. He was and ass.
Likely not true. They had this in the Navy basic training though.
Big Daddy said...
Ain't that the truth. And don't forget about Pete Wenger. I remember when Wenger took on the biggest black man I've ever seen in a boxing match. It started because the black officer who suffered from the " I'm a large black man, no one can tell me what do do" disease, mouthed off to Wenger. Wenger, all 5'11,175 lbs of him, proceeded to kick the large black mans ass,lol. I can't remember the large,black officers name but he's off the job now. Dead IIRC. Frost would run us till we puked and then run us some more. Marsh just loved to instruct us in hand to hand because he knew he was going to get to hurt someone. But those were the days. We need those guys back. Quickly.
3/27/2015 06:24:00 AM
Unfortunately Wenger went over to the other side and was found to be a doper hanging with west side dope slinging bangers. Something happened in his life that drove him over the edge. Wife died and who knows what else.
He passed on to the next life in 2004. RIP Pete.
12:29 poster Wrong the Army uses it, not the Marine Corps overwhelmed my ass, remember boys and girls you never rise to the occasion you fall back on your training, if you train poorly you die.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Tero, Marsh & Tremaine but NOT Frost!!!
3/27/2015 05:37:00 AM
... and Paul Venticinque
No one is drafted into the CPD. It is supposed to be a career choice. Years ago 60's/70's and early 80's most people took the job to be the police. Later as the salaries rose and the standards were lowered people(college educated) took the job for the pay and benefits and could care less about being the police. The clouted rose thru the ranks and the women all wanted desk and non street duty jobs once off probation. The whole concept of police work has changed and no one backs up the ones that do work. Everything is just be politically correct and don't bring any heat on the department even if is a result of doing good police work. There are still those that try and be the real police and lock up the bad guys but they are in the minority.
I don't blame them though because who wants to get sued and suspended for doing what they are supposed to do. Unless the political climate changes we're screwed.
That's somewhat like the "advice" the NYPD is giving their officers in a re-training program. "When a bad situation developes.STEP BACK AND CLOSE YOUR EYES! And think about what is developing!
The first thing that will "develope" is your funeral.
I carry a deck of yellow cards.
I'm embarrassed Chicago police officers would believe this b.s. Can we disregard the post from the guy who keeps whining about the academy.
Anonymous said...
They are all retired now but guys like Connolly, Town, Shannon, Grundy, Thompson, Lonergan, Nelligan, Esposito taught us how to stop cars search people and handle in-progress stuff. Never beat them the 1st third of training. They let you win the 2nd of training. Still think of them stopping people today. And they handed most of the hands on in service.
The gym staff were jerks. Frost had ZERO personality. Gus Tero was the exact opposite rest his soul.
Anyone getting ready to retire now could picture what Nelligan or Esposito would say if you held up a red card?
This department is doomed.
3/27/2015 01:05:00 AM
Esposito had a great voice. He said his best weapon was his brain and voice. There was a black female in the gym that was in some great shape. She did vertical push-ups arms out body vertical straight up. Can't recall her name.
At least 3 from my homeroom have passed. One was indicted on election fraud. He made it back. Many retired, they were hiring old people then. I retired after 27 years. One guy from O'Hare died a month or so ago. Still on the job, never got the chance to retire. One guy left after a year and is a CFD Captain now. One guy worked narcotics and stayed ten years and is now a boss with DEA.
Next homeroom over some bosses came out of there. Riccio and Leo Schmitz.
Sounds like old home week and then I remember all the crooked corrupt shit I had to put up with and then I don't miss it one bit. The good old days were really not that good.
This has to be a joke. I hope. Tero-300 push ups. Resendez - jog through the old projects by the old Chicago Stadium and take us through an alley and stop. Put us in leaning rest until someone could give the address of where we were. There is nothing restful about the "leaning rest" position. Pecoraro- run the Sun-Times ramp until someone pukes over the side. Marsh - pick a new person every gym class to be the receiver of his demonstration on elbow and hand strikes. We turned out okay...for the most part. This is why I can't believe this story about red cards. We are in a life or death career so I can't see trying to "de-stress" the recruits. At least I hope not.
I take a nap at work everyday in my cruiser I dont even need a red card. Frost Peckerheadharero two fucksticks
Anonymous said...
Soon offenders will have red cards. This is the way our society is going. Stay armed and ready..
3/27/2015 02:47:00 AM
Sure, it goes along with the new self arrest forms. They get the self arrest form and it is "suggested" they fill it out, if they consent, and present themselves for booking at a date and time convenient to them but they must sign the permission line on the form. If they do not consent they are mailed a second self arrest warning form.
OT:
Driving back to Chicago from Kansas City, MO yesterday I bought gas in Central Missouri at $2.08 a gallon! Average was around $2.19. Then I got back to this shithole and expensive everything, the shooting count, the fight between Rahmmie and Chewey. Ughhh, I am looking for a piece of land, somewhere else, and I am leaving. Recently retired, no reason to stay in this expensive and depressing hell.
For the price of a beat up Chicago Bungalow I can get a couple of acres and a nice house. Cheap property taxes and I never have to hear anything about Chicago again.
dumbest thing i ever read
Take a GOOD look at whats coming out
I have a friend starting the academy April 6th. We will know if this is really true then.
"Loevy & Loevy will attempt to retrieve any and all documentation of a recruit's inability to handle training, to use against the recruit when that recruit causes death or injury to their client."
-- R.M. Aztlan, (Retired Sgt. CPD)
3/27/2015 05:21:00 AM
GREAT COMMENT!
You're downright scary! Plugged right in to the way this miserable world runs now. "I'm sorry, sir, but we cannot allow you to sneeze on our property because of liability and insurance issues" -- but the same snippy little thing that outs with this is busy denying you something, imposing additional fees, and basically doing whatever they want, writing the rules as they go along.
Like this --
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/03/26/school-named-after-war-hero-forces-child-to-shave-off-military-style-haircut/?intcmp=latestnews
Ever get the feeling that everyone is suing someone for something but you and me?
It's too weird.
recall the recruit who entered a grocery store and dude was in possession of a firearm. the recruit said "i didn't sign up fro this shit"! and walked away from the situation.
WOW this recruit was terminated but should now sue to get her job back based upon the red card training at the training academy!
After what we now know about Wenger, I wouldn't hold him up as an example.
Hot to love the old day'a/ The training division was a piece of cake in the 80'. Captain Brown was a gem and his memory will live on for 300 years.
3/27/2015 01:38:00 AM
Some of us will never forget the day he bellowed, "This is not a college campus" in the vendeteria. First class with mandated females in it, and he was not amused when one of them sat in a male recruit's lap.
Congrats on the shoutout on WLS this morning.
Hmmm. I'll add to the nostalgia.
Lean and rest - up and down the stairs inside the building when it rained - up and down the Sun Times(I think) ramp in a lot not too far away - 2 hours of sit ups in the park till everyone's a$$ was raw and couldn't sit the next day. Dragging your sweaty self by your elbows on the sticky rubbery gym floor to the showers after PT. Ahh the good ole days. Congrats on 25 years 90-1 !!
W.T.F !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The county is the same way now to my suprise
Summer of 1968. Basement,720 W. Obrien St. Instructor Krok will demonstrate on a recruit how to encourage an unruly demonstrator to stand up.
Approach the sitting demonstrator from behind. Jamb the second and third fingers of your dominate hand into the eye sockets up to the first knuckle and gently tug on subjects eye balls. Subject will rise up every time. We had no Red Cards!!!
Squad, can I get an event number for a red card mission?
In hind sight Frost turned out to be ok. His jagoff attitude was exactly the attitude needed to prepare you for the street muts.
This was a little early for April Fools Day.
Too many at the Academy their hole career
Pete Wenger was a total POS.
After retirement he went over to the dark side.
I was there when he was locked up for selling guns to gangbangers. And that ain't all.
Seriously, there needs to be a total cleaning of all the house mouse's in the academy. When I made Det last year I witnessed the Welcome to the Academy speech in the lunchroom. What a joke it was to hear the Lt and Sgt talk to these recruits.
They need to be pushed to the limit or the bag pipes will be playing at their funeral
A red card? What a joke.
1020/1070 needs to take over the academy. He will mold those recruits into clones of himself.
This whole "red card" deal began in football in the UK. Referees hold them up, like our refs drop a flag.
"Misconduct will result in the player either receiving a caution (indicated by a yellow card) or being dismissed ("sent off") from the field (indicated by a red card)."
Now, of course, the ninny-nannies have adopted the idea -- "Show Racism The Red Card!" Look at the cover photo of THIS document --
http://bctf.ca/uploadedFiles/Public/SocialJustice/Issues/Antiracism/showracismweb_.pdf
"Antiracist and multicultural education." The teachers have got hold of it, and the shrinks, "social workers," "life coaches," and the rest will follow on.
These buzzwords and catch phrases spread like wildfire through people's empty, frantic heads today. I hardly recognize the English language anymore. "Selfie," "Go-to," "bucket list," etc. Yabble-babble.
Amen, and "overwhelm the fuck out of people" is necessary.
Is someone's calendar off?
This is March 27, not April 1.
026, the best kept secret in the CPD.
my son is on a suburban department and was trained at the Cook County Sheriffs training academy, he said it was a rough school, when he told our CPD neighbor, with 3 yrs on the job about it ,he laughed and said that the CPD academy was a joke, a complete joke, he too trained at the Sheriffs academy when he was in corrections. I went thru many years ago when big Stan, Bandamer, Maurer, etc were the instructors, we listened, learned and kept our mouths shut, notlike todays groups going thru, even the military is softer on the young, WEAK FOLKS!!!! candy asses who have been spoon fed and never got their hands dirty.
Maybe Starbucks will hand out complementary "race cards" to customers! Loevy and Loevy and People's Law Project will sponsor these, have their contact info on the reverse side.
That way, when aw yaw get in a tight, you can "play the race card!"
"Life has become better. Life has become more gay."
-- Stalin-era wall poster
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Pussies. I/F
3/27/2015 12:14:00 AM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
85% OF THIS DEPARTMENT HASNO IDEA WHAT I/f MEANS!!!
Absolute BULLSHIT! Does not and never did happen. They still have to pass all state qualifications and in the specified time requirements. There are a couple of recruits in each class that we would like to see washed out, but you have o have verifiable proof they won't make good officers, and if they pass all their tests, it is hard to define who will and won't make a good officer. Problem with leaning rests, doesn't really work as discipline. We would rather have a kid drop paper so we can actually have a file one them if we think they should go. They will do leaning rests all day, and sometime still do, but if they fuck up and there is no documentation you get a muscle bound A-hole who should not be on the street. Unfortunately, the system was designed to have FTO's make that final decision, but that part is gone because McAsshole doesn't believe in the FTO process.
Red card up, don't shoot.
Kindergarten techniques like "time out!" and "quiet time" are percolating upwards, from the kids into the adult population, as 50,000-year-old natural roles are being actively destroyed.
To wit --
"Man up" might mean toughen up and be unemotional, said [a] boy, who added that his image of what a man should be is completely different.
"Seventy-six percent of men who took part in a recent online survey by SheKnows Media admitted using phrases like "man up" and "be a man" toward boys. Of the more than 1200 men and women surveyed from across the country, 73% said boys are most often described as "aggressive," 69% said "strong" and 53% said "athletic."
"Of the men surveyed by SheKnows...65% thought it was fine for boys to wear pink, and 55% of men said boys should be able to play dress-up.
"You should be able to do your own things and do what you want," said one of the boys, who is 8.
"The tweens involved in the Hatch workshop offer some real-life evidence that that may be already happening.
"When you go your own way, it feels good because you feel free and you can do what you want to do, and you don't have to do what other people say," one of the boys said.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/19/living/feat-boy-stereotypes-sheknows-hatch-survey/
Perfect upbringing to lead into physically dangerous occupations and pursuits where one must be conscious not only of one's own safety, but is responsible for that of others as well.
Drip, drip, drip -- this corrosion, this undermining, is all around us.
keep buying ammo
I'm bringing a Red card and pillow to work tonight.
What does this say about the state of CPD's reputation when the "red flag" issue causes people to wonder if it is true or not.
The wussifacation of the CPD and indeed most police departments is intentional and will only serve further erode our safety and security nationwide.
Warm and fuzzy won't cut it on the street, there won't be time out time for cocoa and cookies when lives (yours and your partners) are on the line.
Maybe it is because quality people are not considering a career in "contact card" law enforcement.
LMAO Time to Clean house at the Academy
John the FTO Guy time to go
Understand your wife died of cancer over 12yrs ago but both my wife and father had the Big C and Im still on the streets 20yrs
Youre not special and besides Your own leather chair from the house Please>>>>......
Stop the CLOUTED BS
I work at the academy, this is absolutely not true. Whoever started this awful lie should be ashamed of themselves. Total BS.
Red Cards...I don't like that color. It should be blue. Blue suggests tranquility. Blue is a more liberal color. More accommodating. Red has a more negative vibe.
Red card? Oh I thought you said race card...nevermind
I've got ten years on with CPD. Before that a did a few years with the Cook County Sheriff's dept. (corrections). Their academy was the worst 3 months of my life, PT every morning, no lockers, no showers they made us work like dogs, treated us like shit. I played football for 13 years from Pop Warner through college and consider myself to be mentally and physically strong. When I was in the Cook County academy that was the 1st time in my life I ever questioned myself. What the fuck am I doing here. Then went to CPD academy, like walking in the park. If this is true our department is lost forever.
3/27/2015 04:41:00 AM
I went through corrections academy in 1994 and I couldn't agree with you more. That was some miserable shit.
I've got ten years on with CPD. Before that a did a few years with the Cook County Sheriff's dept. (corrections). Their academy was the worst 3 months of my life, PT every morning, no lockers, no showers they made us work like dogs, treated us like shit. I played football for 13 years from Pop Warner through college and consider myself to be mentally and physically strong. When I was in the Cook County academy that was the 1st time in my life I ever questioned myself. What the fuck am I doing here. Then went to CPD academy, like walking in the park. If this is true our department is lost forever.
3/27/2015 04:41:00 AM
I agree with you. I've got 10 years on also. I was working out twice a day preparing myself for the academy. I ended up gaining 15lbs! I know that's my fault, but here I am thinking they'll be busting my ass. It was a cake walk.
In a really non funny, but funny way. Mookie can help help you with that nap once he knocks you unconscious... Just saying, maybe they should hire a few of those ceasefire cock suckers to help them nap?
I believe in the Easter Bunny, but I can't believe this.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
If this is true then the Academy is training recruits to hold a red card when they are stressed out on the street. . . . which is not going to work on the streets.
Anonymous said...
What you are describing is a technique that the military has used during basic training for several years. It has proven to work quite well for modern recruits who are gentler, kinder and more refined than the generations that have gone before.
3/27/2015 12:29:00 AM
Fact check: the Army played around with this nonsense known as the "stress card." It was never wholly adopted or used universally. The only person I knew that actually saw it being used observed it in a pilot phase and she herself was in a different company that was not a part of the pilot. When I was a young private there was plenty of talk about my generation and how we use stress cards and blah, blah blah but the fact is I have never seen one. I was last at a basic training site a year ago, still no sign of the stress card. I have been in over 13 years. It's more of a dumb experiment than an actual practice. The only Illinois academy I thoroughly respect, based on reputation, is ISP. I went to College of DuPage and I've had harder times on the toilet than I did in the academy.
Boys and girls....even if this is true, maybe it is a way to weed out the saps. If they can't handle the pressure of classwork, then they get washed out of the academy.
I knew we were doomed when back in '96, a gal I worked with told me she was headed to the academy to teach aerobics!!
Captain is gone in 11. New guy is Fabian Saldana
Dont forget to give RAhM a red card he needs a long break.
Congratulations and thank you to the CPD officer who saved someone's life at Midway Airport yesterday.
I'm waiting out a flight delay in a quiet spot in Terminal C today, sitting right next to a defibrillator in a glass case on the wall. Two of your own walked up to it, and one officer took a picture of the other in front of it. She told me he had saved someone with it yesterday!
Well done, sir!
(OT) just watched dvr last night debate, not only is rahm not raised in Chicago but neither was Susie Mendoza city clerk, she moved to Bolingbrook but moved back in probably got a promised city clerk job! Wow rahm and sue need to resign and run for office in the suburbs!
In the past four years, 600 city vendors gave Emanuel $7 million in campaign cash and, since 2002, received $2 billion in city payments. - Forbes
Gary Mac has been stressing me out can I get a red card for him?
What about the Muslim recruit that gets to leave every Friday for two hours to pray at the Mosque? Just sign the religious excuse book, hahahah sad but true.
765B
Stop with all the lies! BULLSHIT.
And regarding Tero and company, yeah they were the real deal. ALL of them. Who gave a fuck if they put you on the mat and pushed you to your limit. I was getting paid (just over 27 grand with medical)! Good times
Darren Wilson should have pulled a red card on Michael brown
Its all a lie. Some one yanked your chain SCC. Also lemmer is finally gone. See ya
3/27/2015 09:54:00 AM
That is why I am moving the fuck out of Chicago in June. Good bye Chicago. The only time I am coming back is to visit relatives.
The CPD history page has an error.
O.W. Wilson changed the squad lights from red to blue, not blue to red.....
will the children of this ridiculous program be identifiable by buck teeth from sucking their thumbs?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Pussies. I/F
3/27/2015 12:14:00 AM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
85% OF THIS DEPARTMENT HASNO IDEA WHAT I/f MEANS!!!
3/27/2015 11:15:00 AM
So what? 15% do and it means something to us that the next generation(s) will never get to experience. Their loss, unfortunately, but times were different then.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The CPD history page has an error.
O.W. Wilson changed the squad lights from red to blue, not blue to red.....
3/27/2015 04:42:00 PM
So, use the 'contact us' page and let them know.
What about the Muslim recruit that gets to leave every Friday for two hours to pray at the Mosque? Just sign the religious excuse book, hahahah sad but true.
765B
3/27/2015 03:26:00 PM
I'm sure he has to give the two hours BACK during the workweek, right? It's one thing to accommodate him (though nobody ever gave ME time to go to church on Sunday mornings), but it's another to gift him with two hours off outright.
I'd check the source, SCC. The Army supposedly had something similar many years back, but it wasn't quite as simple as holding up a card, regardless of color.
The word was that they were also called "stress cards".
Anonymous said...
LMAO Time to Clean house at the Academy
John the FTO Guy time to go
Understand your wife died of cancer over 12yrs ago but both my wife and father had the Big C and Im still on the streets 20yrs
Youre not special and besides Your own leather chair from the house Please>>>>......
Stop the CLOUTED BS
3/27/2015 11:50:00 AM
I cannot believe you have the balls to slam this man. He is the hardest working member of the academy. John never says no to anyone. he works hard 8 plus hours a day. What happened to his wife is absolutely none of your business. No one cares more for the FTO program than John. 35th street treats the FTO program as a joke. Name one white shirt who cares about the FTO program? Then you mention clout? 75% of this job is clout. He earned his spot and works hard to help recruits and FTO's. Now go back to your basement apt, asshat.
This isn't true. My nephew is in the academy now.
That is good respect humans and train them in a
way where they learn something instead of ruff nasty ways those days are gone . a person can learn and be a better person if they are train in a respectable way .
listen if you don't like it there go back to the streets where you belong . let's not judge new ways of training because we are from a different time in history as time goes by we will then see if it was worth it . stay safe and look out for each other in good times and bad times support each other and help your fellow officers .
720 W. Obrien St. (Now James M. Rochford St.) Way it was told us in '72 was it had originally been a school then a hospital in the Civil War. Still had the gas light plumbing pipes but with wires in them.
Wonderous odors of sausage cooking at the Vienna Sausage factory next door while watching movies of recovering burning bodies in class. Wondering what Sarbaneck had in store for you in the basement after lunch.
Tero: Anything worth doing is worth doing well, now give me your best imitation of a thousand sit-ups!
Is that why there is a quiet room in 12. Oh that's right we have no quiet room. That's where they are hiding the fraidy cat and the mom!
Yeah...
Frost, Marsh, Tero...
Say what you want about them on a personal level, they knew their shit and taught you how to fight and survive.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
will the children of this ridiculous program be identifiable by buck teeth from sucking their thumbs?
3/27/2015 04:45:00 PM
"Hey Pun'kin-Head!
Why your thumb always wet?"
Anonymous said...
can you use the red card at work, if you get too many jobs during the tour, and are feeling overworked and stressed?....."Sarge, can I take a nap?"
3/27/2015 08:51:00 AM
What? You never ever ask to take a nap. You just start the snooze.
amanda knox conviction for murder was overturned by italy highest court she is now free, remember this and the ET test are all legit.
It's all bullshit. No such thing. Stupid rumor. And if I'm wrong then this dept is doomed. Same as the Army. Spent 8 years in the Infantry and never once saw a stress card. Maybe in some pog units but never with the grunts. You try and hold up something like that and you'll be pushin for days. 10 million push-ups, starting now!
Anonymous said...
I've got ten years on with CPD. Before that a did a few years with the Cook County Sheriff's dept. (corrections). Their academy was the worst 3 months of my life, PT every morning, no lockers, no showers they made us work like dogs, treated us like shit. I played football for 13 years from Pop Warner through college and consider myself to be mentally and physically strong. When I was in the Cook County academy that was the 1st time in my life I ever questioned myself. What the fuck am I doing here. Then went to CPD academy, like walking in the park. If this is true our department is lost forever.
3/27/2015 04:41:00 AM
Three months? Pffft. When I went thru the ISP Academy in the 70's it was five months long, and is even longer now. PT was the first thing we did when they dragged our tired asses out of bed at 5am, sometimes earlier, followed by the morning run. Hit the showers, dress, and then eat breakfast, then a few hours of classroom instruction. Then around 11am, before your food is even digested it's back in the gym for another round of PT, but this time called defensive tactics. After lunch, more classroom and another PT session. This was before union contracts were allowed for state workers and we had the pleasure of working occasionally till 9pm or 10pm with no overtime. Graduation day was one of the best days of my life. Good times.
Ain't that the truth. And don't forget about Pete Wenger. I remember when Wenger took on the biggest black man I've ever seen in a boxing match. It started because the black officer who suffered from the " I'm a large black man, no one can tell me what do do" disease, mouthed off to Wenger. Wenger, all 5'11,175 lbs of him, proceeded to kick the large black mans ass,lol. I can't remember the large,black officers name but he's off the job now. Dead IIRC. Frost would run us till we puked and then run us some more. Marsh just loved to instruct us in hand to hand because he knew he was going to get to hurt someone. But those were the days. We need those guys back. Quickly.
3/27/2015 06:24:00 AM
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Whoops! And then Wenger turned into a crack dealer/user.
I went through the CCSPD academy and the COD academy in tge 90s. Neither was a cske walk, but the county was tougher physically, and the city tougher academically.
Anyone remember Ceaser Pinzon from the Academy? Was a 014th district guy for a while too.
I went through the CCSPD academy and the CPD academy in tge 90s. Neither was a cske walk, but the county was tougher physically, and the city tougher academically.
Woops... Meant CPD not COD...
"What you are describing is a technique that the military has used during basic training for several years. It has proven to work quite well for modern recruits who are gentler, kinder and more refined than the generations that have gone before."
3/27/2015 12:29:00 AM
Just in time to send them up against an enemy that is sworn to destroy civilization -- deranged subhumans, perverts, and criminals who smash up museums, dynamite churches, bulldoze "World Heritage" archaeological sites, burn down libraries, send suicide bombers into schools, machine-gun crowds in shopping malls, slice the heads off of "aid workers," and soak people in gasoline and set them ablaze in iron cages.
The phrase "sheltered upbringing" is profoundly inadequate. You can be safely described as having a bizarre mentation -- firmly grounded in a nonexistent fantasy world found only in children's books.
If you think about it this is actually a good idea, if used properly. You start by telling the recruits that if they are overwhelmed they can pull a red card and will be excused from that class. What you don't tell them is that they will immediately be tossed out of the academy on their asses. This is a great tool to identify the panty waists in the class.
This department is screwed up!
It's all fails
I'm calling BS on this
I miss my Jazzervcise class at the Academy!
I want the if I hold it up 3X's do I get milk and cookies?????
Unfuckingbelievable
The military tried this method out years ago. I'm sure some liberal parent that believed in "time-outs" came up with the idea. It failed miserably!!! Back to basics...
I've said it before. We are NOT a para-military organization. We are like a fraternity. And that's been our downfall for years. There are really times I'm embarrassed to be on this job.
If we're a fraternity, McCarthy is Flounder.
Went through academy in 1995, expected a challenge. It was a joke, especially pt. Welcome to the gym was a joke.
Where are these Red Cards kept?
Are they given out every morning?
Do I get to keep my Red Cards with me all day?
Is hoarding Red Cards allowed?
I have an Obama Green Card, am I exempt?
I'm a Native American, what color Card will I be issued?
Every time I see Red get aroused, will I be able to go to the Quiet Room more frequently?
GMax Pussification 101
Red card rumor... not true. Fact is that recruits have to hold up a completed contact card then they can go take a nap.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/chicagos-finest/2823766147/
i think the army and air force do this during boot camp,this is why we may lose the war on terror!
3/27/2015 07:33:00 AM
Go fuck yourself asshole. We didn't lose. The politicians lost it. I served 3 tours you tell me face to face I didn't give everything I had for this country.
Ain't that the truth. And don't forget about Pete Wenger. I remember when Wenger took on the biggest black man I've ever seen in a boxing match. It started because the black officer who suffered from the " I'm a large black man, no one can tell me what do do" disease, mouthed off to Wenger. Wenger, all 5'11,175 lbs of him, proceeded to kick the large black mans ass,lol. I can't remember the large,black officers name but he's off the job now. Dead IIRC. Frost would run us till we puked and then run us some more. Marsh just loved to instruct us in hand to hand because he knew he was going to get to hurt someone. But those were the days. We need those guys back. Quickly.
3/27/2015 06:24:00 AM
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Whoops! And then Wenger turned into a crack dealer/user.
3/27/2015 06:15:00 PM
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Hey, the man is dead. Let it be.
Anonymous said...
720 W. Obrien St. (Now James M. Rochford St.) Way it was told us in '72 was it had originally been a school then a hospital in the Civil War. Still had the gas light plumbing pipes but with wires in them.
Wonderous odors of sausage cooking at the Vienna Sausage factory next door while watching movies of recovering burning bodies in class. Wondering what Sarbaneck had in store for you in the basement after lunch.
3/27/2015 05:25:00 PM
I was in the old academy in '72 as well. All you say is correct except for Stanley Sarbaneck. He left the CPD around 1970 and became Chief in Bridgeview. From what we heard of him, I'm happy to have never met the man.
Anonymous said...
Anyone remember Ceaser Pinzon from the Academy? Was a 014th district guy for a while too.
3/27/2015 06:25:00 PM
Yes, him and Danny Trevino, push-me and pull-you. The two comedians of the academy.
Went thru the sheriffs academy in 95, it was tough, but the firearms instruction and self defense tacticads were taught much better at the C.C Sheriff's Academy. The CPD was tougher academically, and I had a hard time with the runs, but that's it. Not good self defense training though. The sheriffs academy was more supportive. The instructors told us we would have more trouble with the dept than from the inmates. They were right.same for CPD
I am not impressed seeing instructors hurt begginers, but really teach beghiners. Its easy to get your ass kicked, but hard to learn tactics well. Also you are only as strong as your weakest link, and no matter how tough you are, there is always someone tougher, stronger, younger, faster.
Could you see Marsh there today getting a red card from a recruit. Marsh would have made the recruit eat the card, then proceed to use the recruit as a punching bag during DT.
Are they in the academy to become cops or fucking social workers. On the street you are called every name in the book. What are they going to do if they get an ass whipping on the street.
This warm and fuzzy bullshit, he hurt my feelings has to change.
Anonymous said...
LMAO Time to Clean house at the Academy
John the FTO Guy time to go
Understand your wife died of cancer over 12yrs ago but both my wife and father had the Big C and Im still on the streets 20yrs
Youre not special and besides Your own leather chair from the house Please>>>>......
Stop the CLOUTED BS
3/27/2015 11:50:00 AM
I cannot believe you have the balls to slam this man. He is the hardest working member of the academy. John never says no to anyone. he works hard 8 plus hours a day. What happened to his wife is absolutely none of your business. No one cares more for the FTO program than John. 35th street treats the FTO program as a joke. Name one white shirt who cares about the FTO program? Then you mention clout? 75% of this job is clout. He earned his spot and works hard to help recruits and FTO's. Now go back to your basement apt, asshat.
Wa Wa
he needs to go and his BS chair too Truth hurts He's earned nothing
FTO program is crap too Just ask the FTOs
If they can't hack the crap in the academy, please please don't put them in a car with me. I'm not interested.
How dare you make fun if recruits putting up red cards, they will be your supervisors some day!
Blogger Big Daddy said...
Ain't that the truth. And don't forget about Pete Wenger. I remember when Wenger took on the biggest black man I've ever seen in a boxing match. It started because the black officer who suffered from the " I'm a large black man, no one can tell me what do do" disease, mouthed off to Wenger. Wenger, all 5'11,175 lbs of him, proceeded to kick the large black mans ass,lol. I can't remember the large,black officers name but he's off the job now. Dead IIRC. Frost would run us till we puked and then run us some more. Marsh just loved to instruct us in hand to hand because he knew he was going to get to hurt someone. But those were the days. We need those guys back. Quickly.
Maybe cause he was on the junk!
85% OF THIS DEPARTMENT HASNO IDEA WHAT I/f MEANS!!!
3/27/2015 11:15:00 AM
And this matters why?
Whoops! And then Wenger turned into a crack dealer/user.
3/27/2015 06:15:00 PM
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Hey, the man is dead. Let it be.
3/27/2015 10:45:00 PM
Wenger wrote a letter saying the entire gym staff was snorting coke (himself included), and that they were cooking the overtime slips big time.
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