Garry Folds
- Five months after the ACLU called the number of street stops by Chicago police "shocking," the two sides have reached what they called a landmark agreement on the controversy, appointing a retired federal magistrate judge to oversee a number of reforms and instituting heightened training for the department's 12,000 officers and supervisors.
As part of the agreement, Chicago police will keep track of all investigatory street stops and protective pat-downs, not just those that don't result in an arrest, as they have done in recent years. That practice had made it hard to assess the full impact of the street stops on the public, especially minorities, according to the ACLU.
Nothing in this policy addresses the uncomfortable truth that many police districts follow neighborhood and ward boundaries that are drawn specifically with a racial outcome in mind. So if you're a cop any number of locales, the vast majority of residents (and the criminals who ply their trade on the residents) are of one race. You can't by definition profile, yet you will be accused of profiling, especially if you aren't of the predominant race of the area.
You can guess what this means to proactive police work.
You can guess what this means to proactive police work.
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posted by SCC at 12:33 AM
74 Comments:
Very simple, boys and girls....just don't do it. It's not worth it.
Any copper who engages in pro active police work in this climate is an idiot, and very likely the type of idiot that will end up in a youtube video. This job used to be something... I really feel bad for the new hires, but I guess it's worse for us because you can't miss what you never knew.
Funny, the media can't even find the actual bill that will be passed into law once the Governor signs it or doesn't. It's veto proof. SB1304. Look it up.
If you can't, here is a link.
http://ilga.gov/legislation/99/SB/09900SB1304lv.htm
It's the law now. Or will be at the end of the year. The agreement is based on the new law..Nothing more. We would be doing it anyway..NO MATTER WHAT!
smoke and mirrors
Make sure the paperwork is all legible. No matter how long it takes?
Will this cut down on the number of white folk looking to score some product in those neighborhoods? Isn't harassment of those geographic minorities almost a given on the South Side?
So the ACLU now dictates police policy?
20 and out
Uh this means nothing to police work. If you have reasonable articulable suspicion to stop someone you have no.problem. it's been like that for how many years now? Geez learn the law and do the job.
So let me get this right this tool comes here after he invented police work and de-balled this department and ran off good bosses with his BS and lies and criminal stats and bullshit dog and pony show known as CONSTAT and then enters into a consent decree with ACLU after ridiculing everyone at his Thursday meetings demanding contact card after contact card after contact card. LIKE I SAID LONG TIME AGO WE WILL BE SADDLED WITH HIS LAWSUITS LONG AFTER HE IS GONE
Once this bullshit comes to pass, that will be it for me making street stops. I like to work. I like to do my job, but enough is enough. TRR reports, GPS, in-car cameras, body cameras, inspectors,etc., etc. They just keep stacking things against us. No more. You just lost one more working cop.
Pro active policing is now dead in Chicago. Put on the blinders boys and girls and just handle your calls. No more stops on the street or hand wavers. Give Chicago the police department they deserve.
This will be another multi-year gift that will
keep on giving in order to finally "prove" the institutional
racial profiling that surely must exist in CPD...
The same profiling that the Traffic Stop Statistical Survey
(University of Chicago?) was extended (2x?) beyond it's
original drop dead date because the academics didn't like
that the so far compiled data didn't agree with their predicted outcome.
"Let's keep it going until we can prove something on those Cops!
And if not... The Feds are going to step in and take over CPD
on some clear as shit-mud "past practices" premise.
"That'll teach you wild-assed, rebellious cops a lesson!
Oh, and take down that BLOG too!"
It means that the City is segregated. Blacks need to be moved into white neighborhoods and whites into black neighborhoods. No neighborhood should be predominately one race. Desegregate. Mix everybody up.
Again, whatever....
Fund my pension.
Escape from Chicago. This will be Spikes new movie.
I guess this means that all the black officers will have to work in predominantly black areas of Chicago. Wait-- isn't that profiling? I am confused.
We used to lead the nation in getting guns off the street. No more.
You will see a huge increase in the decrease of shootings and homicides.
Garry won't be having a whole lotta news conferences with tables full of guns much longer.
It is those street stops and pat downs that take really help in taking those guns off the street.
We're DONE
There has been talk of redrawing the ward boundaries for many years, but the effort has always been blocked by the politicians who are afraid of losing control, and of the possibility of a city with less wards. Race is everything in this town and boundaries are gerrymanded just for that purpose. I think the only people who will be doing " investigative street stops" from now on will be the tact teams, and even they will become tired of this process. But, I think that this agreement was a way of keeping the city out of federal court. No one looks at behavior any more, it is all about race. So, let the criminals run wild. The people who will pay for this are the good hard working minorities who are trapped in their homes for fear of being robbed or murdered. I wish they would speak out, but I fear that many of them have also bought the Jackson/Sharpton BS that this is all about race and nothing to do with behavior.
Can't blame the superintendent on this one, although you might want to. Something of this magnitude came straight from city hall to head off a federal law suit.
Lordy Lordy. What will this do to CompStat?
What would be the reaction do you suppose to, in general, assigning officers of the same race as the predominate race of the neighborhoods, to those neighborhoods?
If this doesn't prove what an incompetent booby Garry is, I don't know what does. Giving in to the ACLU? This "In way over his head" superintendent has to pack his bags and leave. He has no clue what the patrolman is doing out there everyday. Just completely disgusted at this point.
But most of the citizens in Chicago are minorities. The same for the high crime areas.
How much is the "retired judge" being paid?
How much are the taxpayers going to have to come up with to foot the bill for this? Wasn't the PJ crap enough? Guess the cowards who teach it will retire without risking themselves on the street.
Let justice be done though the heavens fall
Remap all the districts to be like the shape of Luis Gutierrez congressional district. Except instead of making it all one ethnic group, make it all varying neighborhoods. How about Roseland, Englewood, Bridgeport and the South Loop?
Ok, here is the problem, and as usual, it is of our own making. There is a document called the constitution that we all took an oath to defend. SCC does a great job of reminding us of our constitutional rights, especially the right to this blog. The reason for contact cards is to show anyone who may question us whether we protected the the rights of those we have contact (and most of the time we do)or not. But, we hate filling out those things and supervisors hate reviewing them and when they do kick them back, we get pissed so they don't bother. So the contact cards don't reflect accurately the reasons for the stop.
You see, when you stop and detain someone you have to be able to enunciate why you are infringing on their 4th and sometimes 1st amendment rights. You must have reasonable suspicion or probable cause to to detain someone. And, here is one we forget, you are suppose to explain the reason for the stop them (unless there is a reasonable law enforcement for not doing so).
We do a terrible job of filling out the reason for the stop on the contact cards. The supervisors do a terrible job of reviewing the cards. So, when mickey the mope hires an attorney and looks at the contact card which doesn't explain why his client was legally stopped, well, you just won the case for lovey and lovey.
Saying it is a black issue is a cop out by us. If we did a better job explaining the stops on the contact cards we could avoid a lot of this problem. A little refresher on Terry Stops and the 4th Amendment would help. If the stops were seen as legal, I think you could justify ( and it has in other places) why more blacks are stopped. But, when they look at the contact cards and it appears we have no legal reason fro the stop, well we lose.
Remember; we are living in a society and time where Perception has become the New Reality. The current Perception is that there is some conspiracy of White police officers to murder Black youths. I use the word murder, fully realizing that murder requires intent. So instead of facing the true Reality, which is that Blacks are killing Blacks at an alarming rate, which is the result of poor education and political failure. To reinforce the new Perception, policy must be written to create an "accountability". Interns from the PLO and other bottom feeder law firms will now monitor on a regular basis and track activity. Certain Units and individuals will be watched, and instead of avoiding lawsuits, Gary/Rahm caving will create opportunity for countless new lawsuits! Tactical Units and anything related to Gang Enforcement will be the first to endure the lawsuits. So, is it really worth it, just to be in CD and to display your neatly spiked hair gel? I think not. Conceal your Tats and just answer your calls, cover each other.This City deserves nothing more. They are forcing you to become nothing more than Occupation Troops, and Spectators. "G"
No more Policing only paper pushers....Let the criminals continue to reign fear over law-abiding folks....how will that 'Tourism' thing work out??? "Brother, brother; big brother where are you"?
SCC you are wrong- there are plenty of meat heads in this department who will continue to be proactive. They won't read the tea leaves. In their mind they are "the real police" and the rest of us who play it smart are "scared of being the police".
ok so put racially alike police in the areas. White in white, black in black, brown in brown etc. No racial unbalance. Lower the standards for hiring to get the numbers needed. Give them what they want and let them live in the hell they create. I am soooooo out of here. Good luck.
This is stupid!
If the ACLU want to end profiling, then make contact cards illegal and not mandated as a form of getting overtime index[quota]! That is on the I-CLEAR website!
Just making police work that much harder and for what!
Why stop dude anymore!
This is a waste of time and the ACLU is basically protecting criminals, so that criminals can continue to commit more crimes and mayhem at WILL!
I just hope that these criminals that the ACLU protects, has the effect of attacking one of the ACLU people and their ilk! Then lets see who the ACLU victims going to call for help!
I just hope the ACLU don't call 911 because the big bad Police might show up to help!
The way things are going, before you know it you'll have to hand out packets of Gummy Bears with each stop.
But seriously, why anyone listens to the ACLU beats the shit out of me. The goddamn organization was founded by card-carry Communists. And every lawyer who works there today is a far left neo-communist. Ditto for the SPLC (Southern Poverty Law Center), it's founder, Morris Dees, was and is another far left-wing 'fellow traveler' (communist sympathizer).
Both these organizations use the constitution against us, inventing rights out of thin air and turning existing 'rights' upside fucking down, for things never-ever intended, one example being: .........
----- how the hell did: The Freedom of Religion and the Right to freely exercise it, turn into: The Freedom FROM religion and NO Right to exercise it freely because it may offend someone. -----
That's fucking INSANE. Those seditious assholes have turned the U.S. Constitution into a Suicide Pact!
Folds like the patsie that he is.
How do you profile in the west and south sides of the city. I can see crime escalate even more now. Time to just answer your calls only figure out were lunch is gonna be at and nothing more.
If someone is caught on a wiretap or seen during surveillance doing something during a longterm investigation and they are stopped to get their name will they be given a receipt that says, "you were stopped because you are one of the subjects of a long term investigation"?
Bottom line: F the 'contacts' and only respond to calls for service at a safe speed and watch your back. Call for a supervisor often if there is any question on what actions to take on a call.
Gary keeps collecting a check while selling out law and order America.
WTF do you all expect? Dont you realize that you are living in a City and County governed by Communists ?
Simple solution follow general orders! Respond to service calls into a timely manner, don't violate traffic laws even lights siren complete stop at red lights and stop signs obey speed limits. Take your lunch personal keep car fueled washed service. Street stops what is that a foreign concept? Don't want coppers to be saying to you " I'll buy a ticket see you at your fundraising event" you want to police and be respected? Come to west end of 008, hey balless boss that's "change we can believe in"
Dog assessment love this. Workers find a way to adapt like they always do. You can say what you want but compared to every major city our department has escaped major changes to policy and we still have the support of he mayor and the supe.at east for now.
Anyone working in 007 knows of watch commanders and sgt's demanding specific amount of contact cards on specific beats. Why? Pressure from the top? Compstat related? It wasn't a matter of people working, handling their jobs and responsibilities. According to our general orders contact cards were not to be written when another form was written. IE anovs case reports etc. proactive police work was manipulated to reflect a specific amount of contact cards on specific beats. That is our leadership and now it's falling on the perceived ability of officers ability to do their job in a lawful and constitutional manner. Granted some p.o.'s can use an extensive refresher on terry vs ohio and the fourth amendment, but any of you bosses who were complicit in the manipulation of officers work efforts should be ashamed of yourselves.
Simple !!! Don't stop anyone or risk going to jail or loosing your house. Respond to jobs and get good at doing paperwork. Get good at driving in circles and not seeing crime. Some of you have done this your entire career. And if you see crime and the bad guy runs, don't chase! Be polite and avoid contact. Do these things and you will survive for your family. You will be hung out to dry if you mess up. Make sure your family has access to a weapon on the homefront and that they understand the statement "fear for life and I need to contact our family friend and attorney". Now sit back and watch people kill each other. It will be the people that are killing each other now except in much greater numbers. Look at the overall demographics of victims of all past civil unrest in the country. Its not like the movie purge, it only happens in certain areas. Just look at the recent riots. Let it happen!
For all you hard charging VRI guys and gals you're killing our OT on days!
@ Mistuh Cuthbert J. Twillie
8/08/2015 09:44:00 AM
Long and low whistle of appreciation &
a slow but hearty, solitary applause.
Take your time on that home run trot
;^)
There are some out here who actually
get it.
Uh this means nothing to police work. If you have reasonable articulable suspicion to stop someone you have no.problem. it's been like that for how many years now? Geez learn the law and do the job.
You are looking at the stops as INDIVIDUAL encounters, so yes, they may all be 100% legal, however, they do NOT look at the stops as individual encounters. They are looking at ALL stops as one entity, and they (ACLU) say that blacks being stopped at a rate higher then their percentage of the population (they do not acknowledge the number of crimes committed by race) automatically equals racism.
And what is our union doing for us , nothing.
This is not Gary. Above his pay grade.it's abatement made top spots law suits and federal intervention. The city law department blinked.
Just as I suspected, all of the "I ain't doing shit", "police work is now dead", etc. mopes are out on full force. In my roll call room 20% of the guys are doing 80% of the work. It's time to earn your paycheck ladies and gents. This job, just like life itself is constantly evolving. You need to evolve because as they say "times sure are changin". Or else you will be like a dinosaur- extinct.
Garry has the spine of a jellyfish.
Proactive police has been gone. They just keep making the job easier.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I guess this means that all the black officers will have to work in predominantly black areas of Chicago. Wait-- isn't that profiling? I am confused.
8/08/2015 05:59:00 AM
Don't worry. They hate us just as much as they hate you. They just expected "more" from us.
The City will cave to the ACLU. The City does not want to enter into a consent decree with the Feds. The Powers That Be won't get their political merit promos under the Feds watching. And you can forget the Secret Study Groups. Deals have been made.
Anonymous said...
Bottom line: F the 'contacts' and only respond to calls for service at a safe speed and watch your back. Call for a supervisor often if there is any question on what actions to take on a call.
8/08/2015 10:21:00 AM
Unbelievable the change I've seen in this department. 29 years ago I called for a sergeant, he shows up and tells me never to call for him again, he says, "Your a police officer, you handle it, goodbye." I learned never to call for a sergeant and how to never need one.
If the contract cards are total fiction, do we still need reasonable suspicion?
"We do a terrible job of filling out the reason for the stop on the contact cards. The supervisors do a terrible job of reviewing the cards. So, when mickey the mope hires an attorney and looks at the contact card which doesn't explain why his client was legally stopped, well, you just won the case for lovey and lovey.
Saying it is a black issue is a cop out by us. If we did a better job explaining the stops on the contact cards we could avoid a lot of this problem. A little refresher on Terry Stops and the 4th Amendment would help. If the stops were seen as legal, I think you could justify ( and it has in other places) why more blacks are stopped. But, when they look at the contact cards and it appears we have no legal reason fro the stop, well we lose."
Well said, one of the most honest and accountable posts I've seen on this blog. You're absolutely correct. What's so hard about explaining or yet justifying the stop with fact you can articulate? I'm sure someone is gonna slam you for the truth you stated and me for agreeing. Thank you.
"Gary keeps collecting a check while selling out law and order America."
So the Superintendent is selling out law and order by agreeing to provide proof of doing what we have sworn to do? Or is it that you have a more cavalier, esoteric meaning of "law and order" and that idea is threatened?.....do tell.
It means that the City is segregated. Blacks need to be moved into white neighborhoods and whites into black neighborhoods. No neighborhood should be predominately one race. Desegregate. Mix everybody up.
I hope this is a joke. Otherwise, I hope you're first to volunteer to be "moved" into another neighborhood.
Just as I suspected, all of the "I ain't doing shit", "police work is now dead", etc. mopes are out on full force. In my roll call room 20% of the guys are doing 80% of the work. It's time to earn your paycheck ladies and gents. This job, just like life itself is constantly evolving. You need to evolve because as they say "times sure are changin". Or else you will be like a dinosaur- extinct.
8/08/2015 05:35:00 PM
I'll be sure to buy a raffle ticket for your benifit.
Anonymous said...
"Gary keeps collecting a check while selling out law and order America."
So the Superintendent is selling out law and order by agreeing to provide proof of doing what we have sworn to do? Or is it that you have a more cavalier, esoteric meaning of "law and order" and that idea is threatened?.....do tell.
8/08/2015 09:52:00 PM
Signed,
Brain dead ACLU communist.
Gerr is not law enforcement. He is a highly paid politician wearing a police uniform. When was the last time he filled out a contact card?
You can guess what this means to proactive police work.
Scc.....what is this proactive police work you speak of? I think I can recall a time when we did something similar, but with the passage of +25 years, my memory isn't as good as it used to be.
In my roll call room 20% of the guys are doing 80% of the work.
Locking up piss bums isn't exactly work.
But you are correct in one aspect. Times do change and I can say with a reasonable amount of certainty that in 20 years, you will not be in that 20% group.
Anonymous said...
"Gary keeps collecting a check while selling out law and order America."
So the Superintendent is selling out law and order by agreeing to provide proof of doing what we have sworn to do? Or is it that you have a more cavalier, esoteric meaning of "law and order" and that idea is threatened?.....do tell.
8/08/2015 09:52:00 PM
Thanks Bob Tracey. You can get off of your knees now.
Unbelievable the change I've seen in this department. 29 years ago I called for a sergeant, he shows up and tells me never to call for him again, he says, "Your a police officer, you handle it, goodbye." I learned never to call for a sergeant and how to never need one.
8/08/2015 09:34:00 PM
Well, at least you learned from your mistake. NEVER, EVER, call for a supervisor. If the call require a notification, fine, do so.
Anyone who thinks my post is sarcasm; you are wrong.
Anonymous said...
Bottom line: F the 'contacts' and only respond to calls for service at a safe speed and watch your back. Call for a supervisor often if there is any question on what actions to take on a call.
8/08/2015 10:21:00 AM
Especially, do not call for a supervisor, to ask for his advice. Call them only for notification puposes if G.O's say you must.
Anonymous said...
Just as I suspected, all of the "I ain't doing shit", "police work is now dead", etc. mopes are out on full force. In my roll call room 20% of the guys are doing 80% of the work. It's time to earn your paycheck ladies and gents. This job, just like life itself is constantly evolving. You need to evolve because as they say "times sure are changin". Or else you will be like a dinosaur- extinct.
8/08/2015 05:35:00 PM
Right! The cities across America will rid their jurisdictions of all police forces. Think before you write.
Especially, do not call for a supervisor, to ask for his advice. Call them only for notification puposes if G.O's say you must.
8/09/2015 09:58:00 AM
I was a sergeant for 18 years, mostly in patrol. Most of the time when a beat car called for me, they knew what they had to do, but did not want to do it and wanted a sergeant to tell them they did not have to do it. Then if things went wrong they could blame me. When I told them exactly what needed to be done, they were pissed. Seems nothing has changed.
"Gerr is not law enforcement. He is a highly paid politician wearing a police uniform. When was the last time he filled out a contact card?"
Why would the Superintendent of Police write a contact card asshat? You really are not smart.
First of all - not sure why contact cards were considered activity anyway. never did them prior to the last 2 superintendents. I guess it took the place of the almighty bus check - If dude need to go to jail he went - if not you threw him back and looked for the bigger fish - except on your Friday or double day - then dude had to go !!
If I were still on I would never make a street stop unless ordered by a sergeant. Not worth the grief later. During that entire statistical study I always put down the race of everyone as white or hispanic. Never black. Why should I help with their hate mongering statistics? We were not supposed to ask (or is it axe?) them. So, they all looked white to me. I am a poor judge of race, I am very liberal you know and don't give in to racial stereotypes. Gradually I just stopped stopping people. Not worth the grief. I wrote exactly one ticket during my entire last year. Since I was an old guy no one said boo. I did a lot of backing up of others making stops. I didn't want people getting hurt stopping the animals.
Off topic , will CPD have any more Police Recruit Classes this year ?
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